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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4983810/Actress-Alyssa-Milano-sparks-hashtag-campaign.html

"Actress Alyssa Milano sparks 'Me Too' hashtag campaign after asking other women to use it if they have ever been harassed."

I wonder if any woman exists who *hasn't* ever been harassed.. or worse.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I doubt it.

I was a glamour model for a short while (I was a catwalk model too, for a longer time, but that's another story). Never got harassed, my safety was always provided for, there was always a chaperone. I'm not sure if that's the same for everyone in that industry, I'm sure it's not, but there's stark contrast between how I was treated there and how I was treated working for a charity and then working for a solicitor. In both cases i spoke up after harassment and I'm both cases I was sacked. I kept quiet after that.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Unfortunately before I got married I suffered harassment in jobs, and was attacked by a taxi driver once. And even in my own home one night. It just seemed something we women had to deal with. Especially when I was working in the pubs lots of blokes seemed to think I was their personal sex toy, and that went for some of my bosses as well x

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By *igeiaWoman  over a year ago

Bristol

#Me too. I don't know any woman, including myself who hasn't been harassed at the very least.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I am all for stopping harassment and it's sad many people have been. But these hashtags are just away for the originator to get some publicity.

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By *lceeWoman  over a year ago

Leeds

Yep, #metoo. One of my first proper jobs was in a insurance brokerage and the senior partner was, erm, handsy. Then many years as a barmaid before joining the corporate world. Enough said. There’s a line between flirting/trying it on/hitting it on you and harassment, but that line has been crossed many times - I really don’t know any woman that hasn’t had the same.

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By *s_macWoman  over a year ago

Traffic land

Yes me too. On a couple of occasions. The worst being in my early 20s at my leaving do from an all male recruitment team, where my then boss locked me in an office and tried shoving his hand up my skirt and I had to fight him off. He’d had too much to drink and passed out after pinning me to a desk. I didn’t do anything about it at the time, as I was worried how it would look when I was the only female in the team and had been out drinking with them. I bitterly regret that now and hope that no other woman suffered because of his actions (and my not reporting them).

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By *ophieslutTV/TS  over a year ago

Central

I've been harassed as a woman since I was a 16 year old, still at school. Some - and it is a minority of men - see adult women as fair game to formulate into their less-than creatures of objectification. I've seen few limits to the relationships and boundaries that such abusers won't transgress.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

A taxi driver asked me for a kiss before i got out of the cab after a night out in my younger days. There had been no flirting, i hadn't even been that chatty as i'm shy. He just asked like i owed it to him.

But i was so glad i always took my mums advice about taxi's to sit in the back. I'd managed to get the door open and leg it to the house.

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

I've never been harassed. There was a tutor who was a bit keen, but my desk was next to my Geordie fella at college so he did not dare! A copywriter I had to work with in London had a crush on me and that creeped me out, but he didn't do anything wrong.

Mind you, I was the boss before long so that might have made a difference - then I hired some good-looking young men who used to bring me apples and light my cigarettes haha!

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"A taxi driver asked me for a kiss before i got out of the cab after a night out in my younger days. There had been no flirting, i hadn't even been that chatty as i'm shy. He just asked like i owed it to him.

But i was so glad i always took my mums advice about taxi's to sit in the back. I'd managed to get the door open and leg it to the house.

"

Yes I had a Park Lane date a couple of years back, wore a long-sleeved velvet dress up to my neck and didn't flirt at all, and after dinner he started walking me to the lift as if we were going straight to his room without so much as a by your leave!! He was appalled when I challenged him, and I buggered off dancing instead!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I'm not doing the white knight thing here but I'm appalled.

I'm confident I've never harassed anyone and certainly never made an advance or touched anyone without a clear signal...in fact I've had people complain I'm too polite and wanted me to be the opposite.

I think a lot of us guys aren't always sure how to react to these campaigns. There's a feeling that we're all being made to feel like potential offenders.

But when we read about accounts, there's still thus stigma for victims. Is she telling the truth? What's the motive? But ultimately it does happen and I've witnessed it and simply gobsmacked at the sense of entitlement of some people when it comes to sex.

Troubling that it still occurs despite so much education.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" I'm not doing the white knight thing here but I'm appalled.

I'm confident I've never harassed anyone and certainly never made an advance or touched anyone without a clear signal...in fact I've had people complain I'm too polite and wanted me to be the opposite.

I think a lot of us guys aren't always sure how to react to these campaigns. There's a feeling that we're all being made to feel like potential offenders.

But when we read about accounts, there's still thus stigma for victims. Is she telling the truth? What's the motive? But ultimately it does happen and I've witnessed it and simply gobsmacked at the sense of entitlement of some people when it comes to sex.

Troubling that it still occurs despite so much education. "

I'm not trying to be a pain in the backside - but playing devil's advocate - however, in all honesty you're not really going to know if anyone has felt harassed by you really. You can be confident your intent has never been to do so but the nuance oft missed in harassment is that it's how it was received by the person that's as important whatever your intent. I think it's important for us all to realise that it's rare that we really know how any of our comments and actions have truly impacted positively or negatively on another person without asking them and even then they'd have to feel really safe to answer if it's not wholly positive.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" I'm not doing the white knight thing here but I'm appalled.

I'm confident I've never harassed anyone and certainly never made an advance or touched anyone without a clear signal...in fact I've had people complain I'm too polite and wanted me to be the opposite.

I think a lot of us guys aren't always sure how to react to these campaigns. There's a feeling that we're all being made to feel like potential offenders.

But when we read about accounts, there's still thus stigma for victims. Is she telling the truth? What's the motive? But ultimately it does happen and I've witnessed it and simply gobsmacked at the sense of entitlement of some people when it comes to sex.

Troubling that it still occurs despite so much education.

I'm not trying to be a pain in the backside - but playing devil's advocate - however, in all honesty you're not really going to know if anyone has felt harassed by you really. You can be confident your intent has never been to do so but the nuance oft missed in harassment is that it's how it was received by the person that's as important whatever your intent. I think it's important for us all to realise that it's rare that we really know how any of our comments and actions have truly impacted positively or negatively on another person without asking them and even then they'd have to feel really safe to answer if it's not wholly positive. "

That's a valid point.

But let's juxtapose. Most sensible adults know boundaries and acceptable behaviour.

I know that making advances or touching no matter how innocuous can cause others to feel uncomfortable.

But what if others take offence to any communication? Am I to reflect and assume that it's always my fault?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I don't think you'll find many women that haven't, I have reflected back this evening and the majority of unwelcome comments and actions happened as a teenager. From comments from those that ran the fruit and veg stall at our local market about the size of my breasts, to the brother of the lady that I used to babsit for walking me home trying to kiss me, grope me and get me to go to a dark secluded spot where no one will see us. I had no idea how to react to that one, they'd been out to celebrate the birth of his baby, I never told a soul as I didn't think anyone would believe me that a married new father would make a pass at me

Ginger

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" I'm not doing the white knight thing here but I'm appalled.

I'm confident I've never harassed anyone and certainly never made an advance or touched anyone without a clear signal...in fact I've had people complain I'm too polite and wanted me to be the opposite.

I think a lot of us guys aren't always sure how to react to these campaigns. There's a feeling that we're all being made to feel like potential offenders.

But when we read about accounts, there's still thus stigma for victims. Is she telling the truth? What's the motive? But ultimately it does happen and I've witnessed it and simply gobsmacked at the sense of entitlement of some people when it comes to sex.

Troubling that it still occurs despite so much education.

I'm not trying to be a pain in the backside - but playing devil's advocate - however, in all honesty you're not really going to know if anyone has felt harassed by you really. You can be confident your intent has never been to do so but the nuance oft missed in harassment is that it's how it was received by the person that's as important whatever your intent. I think it's important for us all to realise that it's rare that we really know how any of our comments and actions have truly impacted positively or negatively on another person without asking them and even then they'd have to feel really safe to answer if it's not wholly positive.

That's a valid point.

But let's juxtapose. Most sensible adults know boundaries and acceptable behaviour.

I know that making advances or touching no matter how innocuous can cause others to feel uncomfortable.

But what if others take offence to any communication? Am I to reflect and assume that it's always my fault? "

In that circumstance, yes and no. Although I concur we are straying into the nuanced area now. My point is that there's a mid-point in working with someone to reconcile misunderstood intent/impact which is indeed owning the fact that that the do-er's actions have been felt differently from intent, yes. And explaining the intent whilst accepting that this is not how it was received. It's not something people are very good at though as it jars with their opinion of themselves as being someone who couldn't possibly cause harm.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4983810/Actress-Alyssa-Milano-sparks-hashtag-campaign.html

"Actress Alyssa Milano sparks 'Me Too' hashtag campaign after asking other women to use it if they have ever been harassed."

I wonder if any woman exists who *hasn't* ever been harassed.. or worse. "

If that woman does exist she's a very lucky woman

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By *ampWithABrainWoman  over a year ago

Glasgow

#metoo

Out of all my female friends (approx 100+) I know 2 that claim not to have been and I'm not sure I believe them as they're quite naive types who I'm not sure would recognise inappropriate behaviour.

Personally - too numerous to mention starting aged 10, from catcalling to blocking my exit to groping by complete strangers I hadn't even had eye contact with in clubs and bars, to 2 very frightening incidents where I was grabbed and dragged down alleyways - once in broad daylight.

To mr white knight - you say you witnessed - did you speak up? Stop it?

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By *witch4Fun24Couple  over a year ago

Leicester

There is also a gender neutral version circulating Fb. It isn't just women who are attacked or harassed sexually

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4983810/Actress-Alyssa-Milano-sparks-hashtag-campaign.html

"Actress Alyssa Milano sparks 'Me Too' hashtag campaign after asking other women to use it if they have ever been harassed."

I wonder if any woman exists who *hasn't* ever been harassed.. or worse.

If that woman does exist she's a very lucky woman"

xx

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Remember spending one summer working at a plant nursery dodging the slime ball working there. All hands and innuendos. Used to ask where I bought my knickers from, when I said I don't know he said he would put his hands in my jeans and look at the label for me. I was younger then and more intimidated, wasn't nice being stuck in a polytunnel with him!

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By *olliPineCouple  over a year ago

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"There is also a gender neutral version circulating Fb. It isn't just women who are attacked or harassed sexually "

Harassment is appalling and needs to highlighted. But something worth highlighting is that Men aren't the only culprits here. A lot of men, more than you probably think are subject to harassment. But as men it seems you are meant to flattered by it and accept it.

Comments toward a male poster on here who claims he has never knowingly harassed anybody have seemed a little accusatory. Women should be aware that some of your actions can leave men in a very uncomfortable situation. You may not be forcibly dragging a guy into an alleyway, but as mentioned, something that you feel is innocuous, could be taken the wrong way.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I'm not in any way saying it means that it was ever acceptable but the culture in my youth was very different.

I was regularly groped - arse pinched etc. and it was always expected that it should be taken as flattering, or as a joke even when it was middle aged fat women.

The most extreme was a very elderly woman who reached across to grab my bollocks in a room full of people (I was working). Again it was just laughed off because that was the expectation.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Never been harassed .. the beauty of being ugly and chubby as a woman

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

#metoo

First ever sexual relationship, he didn't listen when I said no, I just accepted it because I was young but it left an imprint on me

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"#metoo

First ever sexual relationship, he didn't listen when I said no, I just accepted it because I was young but it left an imprint on me "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

Comments toward a male poster on here who claims he has never knowingly harassed anybody have seemed a little accusatory.

"

I apologise if that's what you thought. I thought I prefaced quite clearly that I was hypothetically challenging and playing devil's advocate to discuss a point I think we are all guilty of -- not really ever knowing truly, our impact on another And I'm reasonably sure the exchange was understood in that way (it was certainly not suggesting that I actually think that one poster *has* done something!)

Also, I'd be intrigued to know which half of the couple is posting here?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I can’t actually think of a moment when I was harassed.

And I find it a bit disturbing that the campaign is aimed only at women when I know how predatory some women can be towards men.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

#me too

This isn't totally gender specific though. I've been harassed by both over the years ~ the female was particularly manipulative.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I probably did things when I was younger that could be considered harassment. I know this because I felt embarrassed and ashamed of my behaviour once I had sobered up.

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By *a Fee VerteWoman  over a year ago

Limbo

I've been thinking about this over the last couple of days and if a woman genuinely believes herself never to have been the target of inappropriate behaviour and harassment, then she's very fortunate and probably in the minority. I won't bore everyone by listing my own multiple experiences of this - and I haven't got the time to do so anyway - but by having this campaign on my mind recently, and therefore being reminded of past incidents, it's very depressing to realise just how much I've tried to forget over the years. What's worse, it's not just adult women of course - it goes right back to being a pre-teen for me though as a child at the time you don't necessarily recognise it for exactly what it is, just that you're made to feel extremely uncomfortable and scared

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I've been thinking about this over the last couple of days and if a woman genuinely believes herself never to have been the target of inappropriate behaviour and harassment, then she's very fortunate and probably in the minority. I won't bore everyone by listing my own multiple experiences of this - and I haven't got the time to do so anyway - but by having this campaign on my mind recently, and therefore being reminded of past incidents, it's very depressing to realise just how much I've tried to forget over the years. What's worse, it's not just adult women of course - it goes right back to being a pre-teen for me though as a child at the time you don't necessarily recognise it for exactly what it is, just that you're made to feel extremely uncomfortable and scared "

I am incredibly lucky to have 4 daughters, but this terrifies me. To know they are likely to go through similar, worse maybe. And how that's a really bad place to be

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4983810/Actress-Alyssa-Milano-sparks-hashtag-campaign.html

"Actress Alyssa Milano sparks 'Me Too' hashtag campaign after asking other women to use it if they have ever been harassed."

I wonder if any woman exists who *hasn't* ever been harassed.. or worse. "

Its a great campaign ....

But I wonder how many males actors succumbed to the advances of gay or bisexual movie moguls

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By *a Fee VerteWoman  over a year ago

Limbo


"I've been thinking about this over the last couple of days and if a woman genuinely believes herself never to have been the target of inappropriate behaviour and harassment, then she's very fortunate and probably in the minority. I won't bore everyone by listing my own multiple experiences of this - and I haven't got the time to do so anyway - but by having this campaign on my mind recently, and therefore being reminded of past incidents, it's very depressing to realise just how much I've tried to forget over the years. What's worse, it's not just adult women of course - it goes right back to being a pre-teen for me though as a child at the time you don't necessarily recognise it for exactly what it is, just that you're made to feel extremely uncomfortable and scared

I am incredibly lucky to have 4 daughters, but this terrifies me. To know they are likely to go through similar, worse maybe. And how that's a really bad place to be "

I get you. I guess as parents all we can do is try to educate our kids about what is and what isn't acceptable interaction, try to give them strategies for dealing with it and encourage them to bring anything they're not happy about to us so we can appropriately support them as necessary.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I read this online, thought would post here to stimulate discussion. It's written by a gentleman.

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"Emma Thompson used a phrase in her excellent Newsnight interview that I can’t stop thinking about. She said that there was “a crisis in masculinity”. I don’t know why her words resonated so much – well, not at first. But then I realised why. It’s because it was the sound of a fire alarm going off in your own house.

We men can talk and we can tweet all we like about Harvey Weinstein – and I think that, so long as we are finding ways to keep pressure on those who enabled him for so long, we need to. But we can also do something much more difficult, which is to look closest to home, and to our friends.

I think that men are afraid of calling out misogyny for a couple of reasons. One reason is that they fear they are misogynists themselves. Another reason is that they are worried about holding themselves out as beacons of virtue, and so when they fall anywhere short of these publicly announced standards they will receive a firestorm of criticism. These reasons are connected, in that they both relate to how men view themselves, or want to be viewed. In other words, they have nothing to do with the horrors that women are currently enduring due to misogyny. Those fears are keeping the scaffolding of misogyny firmly in place, and it’s time many more of us overcame them, or at least tried to.

I will pause here to acknowledge that men get far, far too much credit for speaking out against misogyny. It is an absurd state of affairs and only proves how little is expected of us; it proves how grave the situation is. I only wanted to say that before telling a quick story, for whose contents – distressing as they may be to those who have been subjected to sexual assault – I apologise in advance.

A couple of years ago, I was reading an article where the author, Soraya Chemaly, described violence against women as “a global pandemic”. Like the phrase “crisis in masculinity”, it put the problem of misogyny in startling focus. As I read more of the statistics around the issue, I then had an unsettling epiphany: that I must have friends who have sexually assaulted women. The numbers are just too high for me not to; I must have. I mean, there was the statistic, right there:

“It is estimated that 35 per cent of women worldwide have experienced either physical and/or sexual intimate partner violence or sexual violence by a non-partner at some point in their lives. However, some national studies show that up to 70 per cent of women have experienced physical and/or sexual violence from an intimate partner in their lifetime.”

35 per cent. That’s got to be someone I know, I thought. Maybe even someone I’m friends with, who I hang out with. A few months later, I was sitting down for a drink with a couple of friends, and we were talking about who we were dating. One of my friends was seeing a woman in his apartment block, who was busy with her kids and her career, and so she simply dropped by on him whenever she wanted a quick hook-up – an very convenient arrangement for both parties, and of which we were instantly envious. My other friend was seeing someone he’d met on his travels – there wasn’t much of a future in it, he said, but they were enjoying it for what it was. I talked about my adventures in the world of online dating, and how – perhaps in subconscious preparation for my move to Berlin – I had had a joyful fling with a German woman who had just arrived in London.

The conversation was all pretty innocent; so much so, that we moved on to sharing stories of hookups we’d had in the past. People we’d met abroad were discussed with particular relish – there seemed to be more of a thrill to the short-lived holiday romance. And then my friend, the one seeing a woman in his apartment block – I will call him Mark – started telling a story from a few years ago, about a woman he’d met at university.

Mark and his flatmate had met her in a club, and she had taken a liking to both of them, kissing them at different points of the evening. Over the course of the night, she had decided that she had a preference for Mark, and so the three of them returned to Mark’s flat. She was keen to sleep with Mark, he told us, but he was a bit knackered from hours of drinking and didn’t really feel like it. She went up to Mark’s bedroom, either to wait for him or to crash out – I don’t quite remember now. Mark’s flatmate, in Mark’s words, was “feeling horny”, and wanted sex; so Mark had an idea. We’re both about the same size, he said. Why don’t you put on the shirt I was wearing tonight, and if you go and climb into bed with her, she’ll think it’s me. Mark’s flatmate agreed that this was a great idea, and so he did as Mark suggested. He went upstairs, and into Mark’s bedroom.

A little later, the woman came downstairs in distress, and she was furious at Mark. She couldn’t imagine how someone could have done something so sick. It was 2am, and she was some way from her student accommodation, but she couldn’t stand to be around Mark and his flatmate any longer. She wanted to leave immediately. If you want to go, then go get a taxi, said Mark, shrugging with bravado and smiling as he recounted the story.

Neither I nor my other friend were smiling by then. We were trying to figure out what we had just heard. A friend of ours – someone I had got to know and grown very fond of in the previous few months, who I loved going drinking with, and hanging out with – had helped his flatmate sexually assault a woman. And now he was sitting in front of us, fourteen years later, still grinning as he told the tale.

I would love to tell you that I then delivered a coldly furious speech about sexual assault and how he had enabled it. I would love to to say I fought that fight. But I can’t lie to you. I didn’t. I was too shocked, we both were. We sat there dumbly with our pints. And all I could think was my mate Mark helped someone to sexually assault someone and he still seems fine about it. And Mark’s behaviour didn’t seem to make sense. He had never shown any signs of being entitled to a woman’s attention – or had he? Maybe we were so oblivious to that side of him because we were so used to hearing similar things?

Mark wasn’t stupid. He knew the mood had immediately changed, and the stories stopped. There was nothing innocent about any of this now. Somewhere out there, there was yet another woman who had experienced something horrific at the hands of a man, and our friend, our mate right here, was responsible. God knows what trauma she had been through in the intervening years, how her life had been adversely affected. We finished our drinks soon after and left. I haven’t seen or spoken to Mark since. He doesn’t know anyone else I know – I checked via our mutual friends on Facebook, before removing him – or I’d have warned them away from him in a second.

I don’t think I had the perfect response to Mark. Nowhere near, and I’m not proud of it. And that is what this article is about, in a sense. It’s about not waiting to be perfect, it’s about doing the best work we can right now. It’s about drawing a line, and acting – about trying to make sure that men like Mark feel that little bit less entitled, so women can go about their lives in a little less danger. Since then I have tried to be better. And I am not naturally confrontational, so if I can do it then I am sure a lot of other men can too.

And I want to say this to men too – and I speak from painful experience here. You are going to get stuff wrong. There are times when you will find yourself mansplaining. Look, I have a big mouth. I say a lot of things, I am rarely short of a comment. As a result of having such a mouth, the probability that nonsense will come out of it at some point is extremely fucking high. That has happened twice in the last year alone. On both occasions, in attempting to improve a situation where misogyny was involved, I made mistakes that made the situation worse. Nothing malicious – but that doesn’t matter. What mattered was that I was ignorant, and I have to own it. I acted rashly because there were things I did not know, dynamics of which I was unaware. It is something for which I will in time forgive myself, but I will never forget. Next time, I will ask carefully how to engage with the issue. My God, I have learned.

We are men so there will be times when we think we are tiptoeing delicately through a situation, when in fact we are as elegant and alarming as an hippo lumbering towards a flowerbed. We will get criticism for that and we will have to take it, as painful and as insecure and bereft as it makes us feel. (My solution, if you ever find yourself in that predicament, is to have a pizza, a beer, and maybe a little cry. Works wonders.) The only thing we can resolve to do is not to make the same mistakes again. And that is something which, in my personal and professional life, I pledge daily to do.

Since I’ve been pretty honest to this point, let me be more honest still. I know very well what it’s like to feel that, as a man, you don’t amount to much of anything. I know what it’s like to see men around you refer to women in such disparaging terms that, by the time you start dating women, you are terrified. You are frightened that you have absorbed so many bad lessons that you have become a monster. I have seen men who are so overwhelmed with the pressure of being responsible men that they just sack the whole thing off, and become the worst men they can possibly be, going about their self-destruction with the grimmest resolution. Men who rage and fuck and flee and do anything just so that they don’t have to feel. Men like that seek excuses for their behaviour, but they can only ever offer reasons, not justifications.

But, anyway, none of that – none of that feeling of being a shattered, useless man – none of it matters in the face of what we are seeing now, what we have long seen but have chosen not to acknowledge for a very long time. Because while we sit bewildered in the centre of our wreckage, we fail to see the women we have crushed beneath it.

To address misogyny, it’s not about patting ourselves on the back and calling ourselves good guys. And let me talk about “the good guy” for a moment – because, God knows, enough of us have had low enough self-esteem that any measure of approval from women can subsequently act as a life-giving force. As boys, many of us saw older versions of ourselves treating women with contempt, and we secretly feared we might grow up to be them too. Many of us are still scared that, to use a popular term, we are trash. If you are one of those men, I can relate to you.

If you care about women as actual human beings, and not just as extensions of yourselves – that is to say, if they are not just your daughters, your sisters, your mothers – then it is heartbreaking whenever you let them down. But you must remember at such times, as I have, that this is not about our feelings. It’s not about that fragile inner child in so many of us wanting to be assured that, at some level, he is a good boy. It’s about having the self-reflection and the sensitivity to keep coming back each week and doing the work, even though there will be those we disappoint in the process.

What form does the work take? Well, it differs for all of us. But there are a few men in my life, men who are true feminists, who show me a better way every day. There’s one guy who is so supportive of women’s sport at every opportunity. Sharing their match reports online, providing encouraging tweets, watching their games whenever he can. There’s another guy I know in the field of electronic music who promotes women’s work on his podcasts, his mixes, in his live sets, at the festivals he attends, making sure they always have the best representation they can. Small, beautiful things, for which they never seek credit. Just regular guys who are conscious of women as human beings and stop to think: “wait, are women really being involved and respected in this space as they should be? And if not, what am I as a man doing about it?”

These men are my inspirations as I go about my own work. And what I am saying here, what I have said in the course of this somewhat rambling piece, is nothing new. From one perspective, it’s actually basic as hell, and it’s embarrassing that it took me till the age of thirty-eight to set it out in this fashion. Still, maybe that’s just how long it has taken me fully to process the crisis in masculinity – wait, let me own that phrase, the crisis in my masculinity – and try, from now on, to make significant progress. I hope that some men will find it useful.

This is about more than Harvey Weinstein, or Hollywood. It’s about finding the courage to make sure that fewer men – including ourselves – grow up like Mark, and that we speak up to their faces if and when they do. It’s everything from refusing to laugh at the sexist joke in the canteen to asking why there aren’t more women on your company’s board or why the funding for women’s refuges keeps getting slashed left right and centre. It’s about not reacting in sustained disbelief when women tell us that harassment and assault are way worse problems than we imagine. Yes, we can all feel a little shock when it is pointed out that the world is much more brutal than we thought. But to remain too long in disbelief is a luxury, and after a certain point it becomes not only offensive but dangerous.

This is how men end the crisis in masculinity – this is how I have tried to end the crisis in mine. By having the guts not to go along with the flow for fear that you might not be one of the lads. Because, frankly, who wants to be one of the lads when the lads are cowards? And yes, it’s exhausting trying to work all this stuff out, and confronting those closest to us – including ourselves. But - as a very dear friend reminded me just last night - my God, women are exhausted too. So we must try, even though we may fail time and again. We must try."

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By *unlover101Woman  over a year ago

Herts

#Me too age 14 dads 40th birthday at home, his friend pinned me against a wall at the top of the stairs oytside my bedroomand my cousin saved me. Age 14 holiday for dads 40th bday dads friend appear univited to family/friends holiday uninvited and follows me to lake for swim- uncle removes and "friend never returns to our lives" age 16. Pub with family and friends - sent to bar for kids drinks- grabbed by group of men, pinned in corner and had filthy magazine put on wall next to me "this is you isn't it ( it wasnt) you will do this later etc etc. Mums friend appears and saves me. Men removed from pub. Age 16 at school boy from 2 years above bites my breast through school shirt- I bleed.... then age 24-27-a violent relationship.these times make us stronger, harder and better inside. Some of us are here to help others. We shouldn't suffer but we can cope. All of us. Get back up EVERY time. Bad people won't disappear. Learn from mistakes. Learn to trust the right people and stay away from the horrors xxx stay strong!

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By *oubyLoverWoman  over a year ago

East Yorkshire

#Metoo

Too many to mention but from a young age, to workplaces, to the opticians, to being grabbed/touched on a fairly regular basis at clubs. It feels endemic in our society.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Thanks Estella. Long article but worth the reading time. x

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