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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Should pro-life protesters be banned from picketing abortions clinics ?

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By *acavityMan over a year ago

Redditch

Yes.

They should be picketing cemeteries instead.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Yes.

They should be picketing cemeteries instead. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Should pro-life protesters be banned from picketing abortions clinics ?

Soxy's note to self...

Must buy more cans of worms, when next in Tescos

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's a difficult one ...but due to freedom that is allowed in this country is would say no.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

Yes, they should.

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By *G LanaTV/TS over a year ago

Gosport

If they are allowed to protest their I would make it illegal for them to take any kind of record of who enters the buildings as this them contravenes those people's right to medical privacy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not that I agree with them, but they have freedom of speech/expression too, can't ban someone from that freedom just because we don't agree with their opinion.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

" Should pro-life protesters be banned from picketing abortions clinics ?

Soxy's note to self...

Must buy more cans of worms, when next in Tescos

Who told you I was going to Tesco......

Pancake batter , feta cheese and Ratatouille....

I don't know if they sell canned worms.....

If they do it will be in the delicatessen

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By *G LanaTV/TS over a year ago

Gosport

I find most of the supermarkets sell packets of dried meal worms if that helps. They tend to be in the pet food aisle with other bird foods.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes.

They should be picketing cemeteries instead. "

Or the government that makes the laws.

It's shameful and horrific that they harass people that are already going through a traumatic experience.

Nothing is cut and dry...there are so many reasons why some one will be having an abortion.

The protesters are generally religious, they need to take a long deep look inside themselves and find there compassion and understanding for those that feel the need to use the clinics. And stop telling women what to do with their bodies.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"If they are allowed to protest their I would make it illegal for them to take any kind of record of who enters the buildings as this them contravenes those people's right to medical privacy."

Agreed and I would disallow the taking of photos or filming of any sort. They attract the media and frightened 16 year olds (I know other ages have terminations) don't need to have the added stress of being identified.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Should pro-life protesters be banned from picketing abortions clinics ?

Soxy's note to self...

Must buy more cans of worms, when next in Tescos

Who told you I was going to Tesco......

Pancake batter , feta cheese and Ratatouille....

I don't know if they sell canned worms.....

If they do it will be in the delicatessen

Yummy. Can I come for tea?

I'm not so opinionated and sarky in real life, honest

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

How do they have the time? Don't they work? If they're protesting instead of working stop their benefits.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Yes.

They should be picketing cemeteries instead.

Or the government that makes the laws.

It's shameful and horrific that they harass people that are already going through a traumatic experience.

Nothing is cut and dry...there are so many reasons why some one will be having an abortion.

And channel some of their energy in to dealing with the perceived problem in other ways.

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By *hoenixAdAstraWoman over a year ago

Hiding in the shadows

I don't agree with how a lot act but in this country we're all entitled to free speech.

It's the abuse they throw I find offensive.

By all means protest your opinion, but keep it 'nice'

A few years ago I accompanied a friend to a clinic, there were protesters there.

Her reasons were very sad & painful, being called a baby killer after what she'd been through just added to her trauma & took a lot of extra counselling to help her overcome things.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

" Should pro-life protesters be banned from picketing abortions clinics ?

Soxy's note to self...

Must buy more cans of worms, when next in Tescos

Who told you I was going to Tesco......

Pancake batter , feta cheese and Ratatouille....

I don't know if they sell canned worms.....

If they do it will be in the delicatessen

Yummy. Can I come for tea?

I'm not so opinionated and sarky in real life, honest"

This is for second breakfast

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"I don't agree with how a lot act but in this country we're all entitled to free speech.

It's the abuse they throw I find offensive.

By all means protest your opinion, but keep it 'nice'

A few years ago I accompanied a friend to a clinic, there were protesters there.

Her reasons were very sad & painful, being called a baby killer after what she'd been through just added to her trauma & took a lot of extra counselling to help her overcome things. "

Yep and women who have been identified can get abuse on social media too.

Does anybody protest outside vasectomy clinics?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes.

They should be picketing cemeteries instead.

Or the government that makes the laws.

It's shameful and horrific that they harass people that are already going through a traumatic experience.

Nothing is cut and dry...there are so many reasons why some one will be having an abortion.

And channel some of their energy in to dealing with the perceived problem in other ways."

Absolutely agree

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Should pro-life protesters be banned from picketing abortions clinics ?

Soxy's note to self...

Must buy more cans of worms, when next in Tescos

Who told you I was going to Tesco......

Pancake batter , feta cheese and Ratatouille....

I don't know if they sell canned worms.....

If they do it will be in the delicatessen

Yummy. Can I come for tea?

I'm not so opinionated and sarky in real life, honest

This is for second breakfast

You eat courgettes for breakfast?

Weirdo

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes.

They should be picketing cemeteries instead.

Or the government that makes the laws.

It's shameful and horrific that they harass people that are already going through a traumatic experience.

Nothing is cut and dry...there are so many reasons why some one will be having an abortion.

And channel some of their energy in to dealing with the perceived problem in other ways."

Absolutely!

And what will happen if they succeed in getting it banned?

I guess it will pave the way for back street abortions and, an opening in the market for any one with a bottle of gin and some knitting needles. Hurrah...let's all go back to the Victorian era!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

These religious nutcases all need to fuck off.

Nasty horrible people that only cause hurt.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

" Should pro-life protesters be banned from picketing abortions clinics ?

Soxy's note to self...

Must buy more cans of worms, when next in Tescos

Who told you I was going to Tesco......

Pancake batter , feta cheese and Ratatouille....

I don't know if they sell canned worms.....

If they do it will be in the delicatessen

Yummy. Can I come for tea?

I'm not so opinionated and sarky in real life, honest

This is for second breakfast

You eat courgettes for breakfast?

Weirdo"

Yes but not for second breakfast ......

First breakfast is buttered toast smothered in Vegemite spread liberally with pease pudding and topped with 8 slices of cucumber on each slices and seasoned with sea salt a cracked black pepper ........

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

" Should pro-life protesters be banned from picketing abortions clinics ?

Wonderful thing democracy. Regardless of whether we agree or not we all should be able to peacefully protest.

What I struggle with is some stranger trying to shame me about a life choice. I've had the sorrow of standing by my child's graveside. It's a pain beyond anything I've ever experienced and a dark place I've never fully recovered from.

That's my experience. A mother going in for a termination will have her own reasons...who am I to compare losses? It wouldn't cross my mind to protest outside an abortion clinic or shame those entering.

If some people who claim pro life don't appear to have lives of their own want to peacefully protest...let em!

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

Whilst I disagree completely with their beliefs and would stand up and argue with them just as I would about anything else I strongly believe in - they have a right to air their views under the law of the land.

Where I think more could be done is stopping their harassment of users of the clinics which in itself I would have thought would be covered under other laws and as such could be used to move them along - sadly though (and without wishing to open another can of soxy's worms!!) that would require additional resourcing from a Police force already struggling to cope with the widespread cuts that have been forced on it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Protesting is one thing. Harassment is another.

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By *oxic1998Woman over a year ago

Belfast

"Protesting is one thing. Harassment is another. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" You eat courgettes for breakfast?

Weirdo"

How about if it's served like this?

Courgette & orange cake with cream cheese frosting

For the cake

350g courgettes

Courgette

(no need to peel them)

200g soft brown sugar

125ml sunflower oil

Sunflower oil

3 large eggs

Eggs

, lightly beaten

grated zest 1 orange

Orange

1 tsp vanilla extract

100g sultanas

300g self raising flour

1 tsp baking powder

Baking powder

for the frosting

200g full-fat cream cheese

100g icing sugar, sifted

good grating of orange zest

Method

Heat oven to 180C/160C fan/gas 4. Lightly oil and line a 1kg loaf tin with a strip of baking parchment. Finely grate the courgettes, then squeeze out as much liquid as you can with your hands (too much will make the cake soggy).

Stir the courgettes with the sugar, sunflower oil, eggs, orange zest, vanilla and sultanas, then fold in the flour and baking powder until they disappear, but don’t overmix.

Scrape the mixture into the tin and bake for 50 mins until a skewer inserted into the cake comes out clean. Remove from the tin and cool on a wire rack.

Meanwhile, beat the cream cheese with the icing sugar (don’t overbeat as this can make the mixture too soft), then chill. Spread over the cooled cake, scatter with the zest and chill until ready to serve. Will keep for a week in the fridge.

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"Protesting is one thing. Harassment is another. "

Agreed!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

" You eat courgettes for breakfast?

Weirdo

How about if it's served like this?

Courgette & orange cake with cream cheese frosting

For the cake

350g courgettes

Courgette

(no need to peel them)

200g soft brown sugar

125ml sunflower oil

Sunflower oil

3 large eggs

Eggs

, lightly beaten

grated zest 1 orange

Orange

1 tsp vanilla extract

100g sultanas

300g self raising flour

1 tsp baking powder

Baking powder

for the frosting

200g full-fat cream cheese

100g icing sugar, sifted

good grating of orange zest

Method

Stir the courgettes with the sugar, sunflower oil, eggs, orange zest, vanilla and sultanas, then fold in the flour and baking powder until they disappear, but don’t overmix.

Scrape the mixture into the tin and bake for 50 mins until a skewer inserted into the cake comes out clean. Remove from the tin and cool on a wire rack.

But it's only second breakfast

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes they should. I've witnessed it first hand many years ago and some Of the ladies were very traumatised after being physically and verbally attacked. It doesn't matter what anyone's feelings are about it, its the woman's body and no one but her has the right to say what she does with what can already be a traumatic experience x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" But it's only second breakfast

Your point is?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A discussion on abortion, and a cake recipe

Only on Fab could they be in the same thread

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"These religious nutcases all need to fuck off.

Nasty horrible people that only cause hurt.

It's funny how you feel entitled to frame them as 'religious nutcases'. I very much doubt you'd appreciate being framed as a 'supporter of baby murder'. One of the reasons it's virtually impossible to have a sensible dialogue on these kind of issues is the constant use of unhelpful terms like this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How do they have the time? Don't they work? If they're protesting instead of working stop their benefits."

Blimey are you really Jeremy Kyle?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Protesting is one thing. Harassment is another. "

Exactly

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

I said above that these protesters should be banned but of course I know they can't and shouldn't be.

I wish though that they would target their protest elsewhere. They don't know how the women going in to these clinics have arrived at that point in their lives and I feel their points would be better made if they showed themselves ready to help. Ready to run contraceptive clinics, to support single women throughout the life of their child, to finance life time care for children who couldn't support themselves etc.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A discussion on abortion, and a cake recipe

Only on Fab could they be in the same thread

I think cake could solve a lot of the worlds problems...perhaps not diabetes though!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think they should be banned from doing so directly outside. There's plenty of other places and ways they can exercise their right to free speech on this topic, to do so outside the clinic at those exercising their right to the clinic's services and the staff that work there is harassment.

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By *aul1973HullMan over a year ago

East Hull

" Should pro-life protesters be banned from picketing abortions clinics ?

Morning Soxy, nothing like a little light conversation between friends on a lazy Sunday morning

Yea they should be banned, society has a need for these clinics, they aren't just for people who can't be bothered to use a reliable contraceptive, and shouldnt be made to feel as though they are killing a baby.

The ladies who use these clinics all have their reasons for using these services, r@pe victims, too young to be a mother, not in a position to raise a child because of their health issues, financial status, medical problems with the foetus.

I imagine the decision to have an abortion would be difficult to make psychologically, these women should be showed compassion and understanding, supported through this difficult time, not made to feel guilt.

Having to face an angry crowd with derogatory signs and chanting 'baby killer' or other similar remarks is disrespectful to say the least and may cause further mental anguish.

Because of these protesters and the stigma they are creating, how many women are avoiding going to a clinic and seeking alternative methods? Some of which are dangerous to themselves and sometimes end in suicide, or result in a baby being born in an unsafe environment and abandoned and/or put into the child care system, is that a more socially acceptable scenario?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I said above that these protesters should be banned but of course I know they can't and shouldn't be.

Yes, if they feel that strongly they should target the law makers and not fragile traumatised women.

Being ready to help would take a certain amount of ability to see things from a different perspective and, I am not sure they can or want to. Good idea though!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Overall I don't think picket line protesters should be banned, we live in a democracy after all and people should be able to stand up for their beliefs.

We can't say you can protest over nuclear weapons but you can't because you're pro-lifers.

I don't like the thought of girls / women being abused over their right to choose an abortion and any naming / shaming on social media shouldn't be allowed. Maybe privacy / harassment laws could be evoked if this happens?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Should pro-life protesters be banned from picketing abortions clinics ?

Morning Soxy, nothing like a little light conversation between friends on a lazy Sunday morning

Having to face an angry crowd with derogatory signs and chanting 'baby killer' or other similar remarks is disrespectful to say the least and may cause further mental anguish.

Absolutely what Paul said

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Overall I don't think picket line protesters should be banned, we live in a democracy after all and people should be able to stand up for their beliefs.

We can't say you can protest over nuclear weapons but you can't because you're pro-lifers.

It's not a picket line. It's people standing outside clinics harassing and verbally abusing women who are there to terminate a pregnancy. They should be arrested if they harass.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

" But it's only second breakfast

Your point is?"

Well look ..... I can keep this as simple as I can....

I do realise some people struggle an understanding of the numerical system and the designation of meal description

Second breakfast comes between first breakfast and third breakfast

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"A discussion on abortion, and a cake recipe

Only on Fab could they be in the same thread

I think cake could solve a lot of the worlds problems...perhaps not diabetes though!

Brilliant isn't it ...

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By *acavityMan over a year ago

Redditch

On a lighter note, anybody see the news about an American pro-life family values politician caught urging his mistress to have an abortion recently?

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By *aul1973HullMan over a year ago

East Hull

" But it's only second breakfast

Your point is?

Well look ..... I can keep this as simple as I can....

I do realise some people struggle an understanding of the numerical system and the designation of meal description

Second breakfast comes between first breakfast and third breakfast

Do you have hairy feet?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

" But it's only second breakfast

Your point is?

Well look ..... I can keep this as simple as I can....

I do realise some people struggle an understanding of the numerical system and the designation of meal description

Second breakfast comes between first breakfast and third breakfast

Do you have hairy feet?

If you asking do I have Hobbit feet the answer is no ....

My feet are a thing of great joy an beauty unlike the rumour I hear about yours

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Overall I don't think picket line protesters should be banned, we live in a democracy after all and people should be able to stand up for their beliefs.

We can't say you can protest over nuclear weapons but you can't because you're pro-lifers.

It's not a picket line. It's people standing outside clinics harassing and verbally abusing women who are there to terminate a pregnancy. They should be arrested if they harass. "

I think you'll find it can be reffered to as one ~ A group of people protesting outside a place where something is happening in an attempt to stop them going in, i.e. "crossing the picket line."

How they choose to picket is totally wrong, I said I didn't agree with it. But you cannot ban people from doing so, we live in the UK not

North Korea.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm all for freedom of speech etc

But I think these protesters are out of order

For individuals abortion is their only option i.e. Teenage pregnancies, sexual assault pregnancies, risking your life pregnancies etc

I'm not against abortions as I had one many years ago because of circumstances

It was a harrowing ordeal both physically and mentally

So to think the added stress it has on people when they arrive at a clinic and protesters hurl abuse at them

It's not right and not on

There is a time and place

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By *aul1973HullMan over a year ago

East Hull

" But it's only second breakfast

Your point is?

Well look ..... I can keep this as simple as I can....

I do realise some people struggle an understanding of the numerical system and the designation of meal description

Second breakfast comes between first breakfast and third breakfast

Do you have hairy feet?

If you asking do I have Hobbit feet the answer is no ....

My feet are a thing of great joy an beauty unlike the rumour I hear about yours

My feet are a size 12 and the rumours are true

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

" But it's only second breakfast

Your point is?

Well look ..... I can keep this as simple as I can....

I do realise some people struggle an understanding of the numerical system and the designation of meal description

Second breakfast comes between first breakfast and third breakfast

Do you have hairy feet?

If you asking do I have Hobbit feet the answer is no ....

My feet are a thing of great joy an beauty unlike the rumour I hear about yours

My feet are a size 12 and the rumours are true

They are not feet they are canoes

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Should pro-life protesters be banned from picketing abortions clinics ?

Soxy's note to self...

Must buy more cans of worms, when next in Tescos

Who told you I was going to Tesco......

Pancake batter , feta cheese and Ratatouille....

I don't know if they sell canned worms.....

If they do it will be in the delicatessen

Yummy. Can I come for tea?

I'm not so opinionated and sarky in real life, honest

This is for second breakfast

You eat courgettes for breakfast?

Weirdo

Yes but not for second breakfast ......

But soxy as a veggie you need to look into that bloody pease pudding...as I remember it used to be boiled in big Muslim bags in a big vat which included pigs heads...not sure if the one dave Cameron used ended up there too

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

" Should pro-life protesters be banned from picketing abortions clinics ?

Soxy's note to self...

Must buy more cans of worms, when next in Tescos

Who told you I was going to Tesco......

Pancake batter , feta cheese and Ratatouille....

I don't know if they sell canned worms.....

If they do it will be in the delicatessen

Yummy. Can I come for tea?

I'm not so opinionated and sarky in real life, honest

This is for second breakfast

You eat courgettes for breakfast?

Weirdo

Yes but not for second breakfast ......

How assumptive of you,,,,,, I make my own ........

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By *aul1973HullMan over a year ago

East Hull

" But it's only second breakfast

Your point is?

Well look ..... I can keep this as simple as I can....

I do realise some people struggle an understanding of the numerical system and the designation of meal description

Second breakfast comes between first breakfast and third breakfast

Do you have hairy feet?

If you asking do I have Hobbit feet the answer is no ....

My feet are a thing of great joy an beauty unlike the rumour I hear about yours

My feet are a size 12 and the rumours are true

They are not feet they are canoes

When I was about 14 my brother nicknamed them Oxford & Cambridge.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It’s one thing to protest, it’s another to harass. It’s the harassment that I can’t get my head around. Sure, have you’re opinion. (It’s not the same as mine btw but that’s irrelevant) but don’t harass someone for making the decision.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

" But it's only second breakfast

Your point is?

Well look ..... I can keep this as simple as I can....

I do realise some people struggle an understanding of the numerical system and the designation of meal description

Second breakfast comes between first breakfast and third breakfast

Do you have hairy feet?

If you asking do I have Hobbit feet the answer is no ....

My feet are a thing of great joy an beauty unlike the rumour I hear about yours

My feet are a size 12 and the rumours are true

They are not feet they are canoes

When I was about 14 my brother nicknamed them Oxford & Cambridge."

I like that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Overall I don't think picket line protesters should be banned, we live in a democracy after all and people should be able to stand up for their beliefs.

We can't say you can protest over nuclear weapons but you can't because you're pro-lifers.

It's not a picket line. It's people standing outside clinics harassing and verbally abusing women who are there to terminate a pregnancy. They should be arrested if they harass.

I think you'll find it can be reffered to as one ~ A group of people protesting outside a place where something is happening in an attempt to stop them going in, i.e. "crossing the picket line."

How they choose to picket is totally wrong, I said I didn't agree with it. But you cannot ban people from doing so, we live in the UK not

North Korea.

Because we don't live in a country like North Korea, people should have their right to protest taken away if it's harassment.

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By *arnsleycouple7683Couple over a year ago

Barnsley

No they shouldn't be banned.

Pro lifers truly believe that an innocent baby is being killed when an abortion takes place.

Imagine it was a building where newborn babies were being slaughtered. Would anyone here stand for that? Of course not, there would be public outrage.

In the eyes of a pro lifer there is no difference. It's a baby being killed. They have the right to shout about it if you ask me.

I'm pro life. I've never gone to protest outside an abortion clinic, nor would I ever. It's a complete waste of time. Nobody would listen to me and all it would do would make people uncomfortable. However if you engage me in a discussion about it I'll make my views very strongly known.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"No they shouldn't be banned.

Pro lifers truly believe that an innocent baby is being killed when an abortion takes place.

Imagine it was a building where newborn babies were being slaughtered. Would anyone here stand for that? Of course not, there would be public outrage.

In the eyes of a pro lifer there is no difference. It's a baby being killed. They have the right to shout about it if you ask me.

The difference being that abortion is legal and slaughtering new born babies isn't.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"On a lighter note, anybody see the news about an American pro-life family values politician caught urging his mistress to have an abortion recently? "

Hardly a shock a politician saying one thing and doing the total opposite is it?

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By *arnsleycouple7683Couple over a year ago

Barnsley

"No they shouldn't be banned.

Pro lifers truly believe that an innocent baby is being killed when an abortion takes place.

Imagine it was a building where newborn babies were being slaughtered. Would anyone here stand for that? Of course not, there would be public outrage.

In the eyes of a pro lifer there is no difference. It's a baby being killed. They have the right to shout about it if you ask me.

The difference being that abortion is legal and slaughtering new born babies isn't."

Legal doesn't always = moral.

Slavery was once legal too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s one thing to protest, it’s another to harass. It’s the harassment that I can’t get my head around. Sure, have you’re opinion. (It’s not the same as mine btw but that’s irrelevant) but don’t harass someone for making the decision. "

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"No they shouldn't be banned.

Pro lifers truly believe that an innocent baby is being killed when an abortion takes place.

Imagine it was a building where newborn babies were being slaughtered. Would anyone here stand for that? Of course not, there would be public outrage.

In the eyes of a pro lifer there is no difference. It's a baby being killed. They have the right to shout about it if you ask me.

The difference being that abortion is legal and slaughtering new born babies isn't.

Legal doesn't always = moral.

Slavery was once legal too"

I take your point. However morality is a personal thing and applies to individuals the law isn't.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No they shouldn't be banned.

Pro lifers truly believe that an innocent baby is being killed when an abortion takes place.

Imagine it was a building where newborn babies were being slaughtered. Would anyone here stand for that? Of course not, there would be public outrage.

In the eyes of a pro lifer there is no difference. It's a baby being killed. They have the right to shout about it if you ask me.

The difference being that abortion is legal and slaughtering new born babies isn't.

Legal doesn't always = moral.

Slavery was once legal too"

Surely you wouldn't be against it in all circumstances though?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Overall I don't think picket line protesters should be banned, we live in a democracy after all and people should be able to stand up for their beliefs.

We can't say you can protest over nuclear weapons but you can't because you're pro-lifers.

It's not a picket line. It's people standing outside clinics harassing and verbally abusing women who are there to terminate a pregnancy. They should be arrested if they harass.

I think you'll find it can be reffered to as one ~ A group of people protesting outside a place where something is happening in an attempt to stop them going in, i.e. "crossing the picket line."

How they choose to picket is totally wrong, I said I didn't agree with it. But you cannot ban people from doing so, we live in the UK not

North Korea.

Because we don't live in a country like North Korea, people should have their right to protest taken away if it's harassment."

And that is enforced in certain cases.I've known people in the past re animal rights that weren't allowed within a certain distance to person / company. It's hard to police & difficult to prove in most instances.

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By *aul1973HullMan over a year ago

East Hull

"No they shouldn't be banned.

Pro lifers truly believe that an innocent baby is being killed when an abortion takes place.

Imagine it was a building where newborn babies were being slaughtered. Would anyone here stand for that? Of course not, there would be public outrage.

In the eyes of a pro lifer there is no difference. It's a baby being killed. They have the right to shout about it if you ask me.

The difference being that abortion is legal and slaughtering new born babies isn't.

Legal doesn't always = moral.

Slavery was once legal too"

Harassment is both illegal & immoral, but that's my opinion and I'm not going to force it upon anybody against their will no matter how strongly I feel about it as I have morals.

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple over a year ago

Bedworth

Ah the delightful 40 days for life people!

They got rather upset when they decided to hold their vile protests outside a treatment centre in Nottingham which treats all kinds of gynae issues and a group of locals came together to hold a counter protest

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By *arnsleycouple7683Couple over a year ago

Barnsley

"No they shouldn't be banned.

Pro lifers truly believe that an innocent baby is being killed when an abortion takes place.

Imagine it was a building where newborn babies were being slaughtered. Would anyone here stand for that? Of course not, there would be public outrage.

In the eyes of a pro lifer there is no difference. It's a baby being killed. They have the right to shout about it if you ask me.

The difference being that abortion is legal and slaughtering new born babies isn't.

Legal doesn't always = moral.

Slavery was once legal too

Surely you wouldn't be against it in all circumstances though?

Me personally?

I'm pro life. The only time I would deem an abortion necessary would be if the mother's life were to be severely at risk if the pregnancy were to continue. I including a STRONG likelihood of risk of suicide in this.

To be truly pro life isn't to place more importance on the life of the baby over the life of the mother, it is to place equal importance on all lives.

In this situation obviously if the mother dies in pregnancy the baby would die anyway. So not allowing an abortion would not be in the best interests of preserving life.

Then there are pregnancies where there is a strong probability that the mother will die in childbirth if the pregnancy would continue,or for example there are some women with cancer who have to choose between having chemotherapy or continuing with the pregnancy.

In these situations it's a choice between saving the baby and saving the mother. As one life is not more important than another, if the mother should choose to abort at this point, I would see it as acceptable.

I'm not pro baby, I'm pro life. Whatever it takes to preserve life, whichever life it is most sensible to preserve, be it the child's or the mother's.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"No they shouldn't be banned.

Pro lifers truly believe that an innocent baby is being killed when an abortion takes place.

Imagine it was a building where newborn babies were being slaughtered. Would anyone here stand for that? Of course not, there would be public outrage.

In the eyes of a pro lifer there is no difference. It's a baby being killed. They have the right to shout about it if you ask me.

The difference being that abortion is legal and slaughtering new born babies isn't.

Legal doesn't always = moral.

Slavery was once legal too

Surely you wouldn't be against it in all circumstances though?

Objection your honour, leading the witness.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"No they shouldn't be banned.

Pro lifers truly believe that an innocent baby is being killed when an abortion takes place.

Imagine it was a building where newborn babies were being slaughtered. Would anyone here stand for that? Of course not, there would be public outrage.

In the eyes of a pro lifer there is no difference. It's a baby being killed. They have the right to shout about it if you ask me.

The difference being that abortion is legal and slaughtering new born babies isn't.

Legal doesn't always = moral.

Slavery was once legal too

Surely you wouldn't be against it in all circumstances though?

Me personally?

To be truly pro life isn't to place more importance on the life of the baby over the life of the mother, it is to place equal importance on all lives.

In this situation obviously if the mother dies in pregnancy the baby would die anyway. So not allowing an abortion would not be in the best interests of preserving life.

I'm not pro baby, I'm pro life. Whatever it takes to preserve life, whichever life it is most sensible to preserve, be it the child's or the mother's."

Absolutely respect your opinion, well presented and clearly thought through.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No they shouldn't be banned.

Pro lifers truly believe that an innocent baby is being killed when an abortion takes place.

Imagine it was a building where newborn babies were being slaughtered. Would anyone here stand for that? Of course not, there would be public outrage.

In the eyes of a pro lifer there is no difference. It's a baby being killed. They have the right to shout about it if you ask me.

The difference being that abortion is legal and slaughtering new born babies isn't.

Legal doesn't always = moral.

Slavery was once legal too

Surely you wouldn't be against it in all circumstances though?

Me personally?

To be truly pro life isn't to place more importance on the life of the baby over the life of the mother, it is to place equal importance on all lives.

In this situation obviously if the mother dies in pregnancy the baby would die anyway. So not allowing an abortion would not be in the best interests of preserving life.

I'm not pro baby, I'm pro life. Whatever it takes to preserve life, whichever life it is most sensible to preserve, be it the child's or the mother's."

Pretty much same views I have but also if the person didn't consent to the sex or every precaution has been taken but they still fall pregnant such as people who get pregnant after being sterilised

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By *wisted2000Woman over a year ago

under my rock cleethorpes

I’m anti abortion but my views are my choice and others shouldn’t force their views on anyone that disagrees, at the end of the day it’s the woman’s body, what she decides to do is up to her, as long as she has all the facts and can make an informed decision with a clear head then the choice is up to her and no one has the right to take that choice away

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No they shouldn't be banned.

Pro lifers truly believe that an innocent baby is being killed when an abortion takes place.

Imagine it was a building where newborn babies were being slaughtered. Would anyone here stand for that? Of course not, there would be public outrage.

In the eyes of a pro lifer there is no difference. It's a baby being killed. They have the right to shout about it if you ask me.

It's anyones right to protest against anything they do not agree with

But I dont agree with what some of the protesters are doing as in live facebooking women and following them down the road calling out Mum ect.

The majority of women go through this after a lot of thought.

And I especially dislike the men who stand there and do this as they have no business interfiering in a womans choice of what she does with her situation.

Nothing wrong with standing there with a placard staing thier views but trying to force flyers with graphice pictures and enlarged images of foetuses in thier faces is not pieceful protest.

Also very young children in the streets get to see all of this

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"These religious nutcases all need to fuck off.

Nasty horrible people that only cause hurt.

I support abortion 100% and people that are anti can use whatever terminology they like.

As will I.

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By *aul1973HullMan over a year ago

East Hull

And I especially dislike the men who stand there and do this as they have no business interfiering in a womans choice of what she does with her situation.

Within a positive relationship does a potential father not have a say?

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By *aul1973HullMan over a year ago

East Hull

"No they shouldn't be banned.

Pro lifers truly believe that an innocent baby is being killed when an abortion takes place.

Imagine it was a building where newborn babies were being slaughtered. Would anyone here stand for that? Of course not, there would be public outrage.

In the eyes of a pro lifer there is no difference. It's a baby being killed. They have the right to shout about it if you ask me.

The difference being that abortion is legal and slaughtering new born babies isn't.

Legal doesn't always = moral.

Slavery was once legal too

Surely you wouldn't be against it in all circumstances though?

Me personally?

To be truly pro life isn't to place more importance on the life of the baby over the life of the mother, it is to place equal importance on all lives.

In this situation obviously if the mother dies in pregnancy the baby would die anyway. So not allowing an abortion would not be in the best interests of preserving life.

I'm not pro baby, I'm pro life. Whatever it takes to preserve life, whichever life it is most sensible to preserve, be it the child's or the mother's."

A woman has a right to choose not to be forced into carrying and giving birth to a baby, especially if she had no choice and was forced into being impregnated.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

Yes, in the manner that they typically do here. Causing distress and harassing people is very much already covered by many offences and I liked the approach of ASBO type control orders that would stop many of them.

Their behaviour is abhorrent, when people entering have tough decisions ahead or when leaving, after medical procedures.

There is limited right to free speech here and already the effects upon others are covered, such as with hate speech, which has legal control and penalties.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

And I especially dislike the men who stand there and do this as they have no business interfiering in a womans choice of what she does with her situation.

Within a positive relationship does a potential father not have a say?"

In my opinion yes but that isn't the point that's being made here.

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By *orkie321bWoman over a year ago

Nottingham

"Ah the delightful 40 days for life people!

The treatment centre they choose to protest outside in Nottingham isn't just there for gynecological treatment. They have numerous clinics including dermatology, cardiac clinics, orthopedics and podiatry. These pro lifers were hassling everyone who visited the treatment centre without knowing what they were there for. The counter protest was organised by pro choice Nottingham through social media and was very well supported. On most days there were at least double the amount of pro choice supporters there who even had to escort clinic visitors to the door to try and stop them from being harassed.

I have no issue with the pro lifers if all they chose to do is just stand there waving their banners. The problem is they don't. They verbally abuse anyone visiting the treatment centre, men women and children.

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By *aul1973HullMan over a year ago

East Hull

And I especially dislike the men who stand there and do this as they have no business interfiering in a womans choice of what she does with her situation.

Within a positive relationship does a potential father not have a say?

In my opinion yes but that isn't the point that's being made here.

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By *aul1973HullMan over a year ago

East Hull

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"These religious nutcases all need to fuck off.

Nasty horrible people that only cause hurt.

I support abortion 100% and people that are anti can use whatever terminology they like.

As will I.

It's just that there's another thread where you said you didn't like people expressing their views in a quote: "patronising / condescending" way. I think a reasonable person would find being called a 'nutcase' to be one or both of those.

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By *aul1973HullMan over a year ago

East Hull

"Ah the delightful 40 days for life people!

Even a silent protest by a group of people with banners is intimidation

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By *arnsleycouple7683Couple over a year ago

Barnsley

"No they shouldn't be banned.

Pro lifers truly believe that an innocent baby is being killed when an abortion takes place.

Imagine it was a building where newborn babies were being slaughtered. Would anyone here stand for that? Of course not, there would be public outrage.

In the eyes of a pro lifer there is no difference. It's a baby being killed. They have the right to shout about it if you ask me.

The difference being that abortion is legal and slaughtering new born babies isn't.

Legal doesn't always = moral.

Slavery was once legal too

Surely you wouldn't be against it in all circumstances though?

Me personally?

To be truly pro life isn't to place more importance on the life of the baby over the life of the mother, it is to place equal importance on all lives.

In this situation obviously if the mother dies in pregnancy the baby would die anyway. So not allowing an abortion would not be in the best interests of preserving life.

I'm not pro baby, I'm pro life. Whatever it takes to preserve life, whichever life it is most sensible to preserve, be it the child's or the mother's.

A woman has a right to choose not to be forced into carrying and giving birth to a baby, especially if she had no choice and was forced into being impregnated."

I would argue that the importance of life takes precedence but I know from experience that it makes no difference what I say.

I've been in many abortion related threads on many forums over the years, and nobody ever changes anybody else's opinion on this topic.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't think picketing outside abortion clinics should be allowed. We have laws governing abortion and if the protesters aren't happy with them, they should lobby parliament more. If we didn't have legalised abortion, women would resort to backstreet abortions, try to induce abortions at home. Also it would lead to suicides of females in despair at becoming pregnant and unable to tell parents or others. There was a protester in our highstreet spouting his shit, saying we shoppers were all going to Hell because we wouldn't renounce abortion. I think the police moved him on after a while, he was very offensive. I have never had an abortion myself but I respect other women's rights to have them, although they should not be used as a form of contraception.XXX

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

I've been in many abortion related threads on many forums over the years, and nobody ever changes anybody else's opinion on this topic."

When a debate starts with 'do you want to be on the side of those who deny womens rights or those who murder babies' then it's unlikley to go anywhere constructive.

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By *aul1973HullMan over a year ago

East Hull

"No they shouldn't be banned.

Pro lifers truly believe that an innocent baby is being killed when an abortion takes place.

Imagine it was a building where newborn babies were being slaughtered. Would anyone here stand for that? Of course not, there would be public outrage.

In the eyes of a pro lifer there is no difference. It's a baby being killed. They have the right to shout about it if you ask me.

The difference being that abortion is legal and slaughtering new born babies isn't.

Legal doesn't always = moral.

Slavery was once legal too

Surely you wouldn't be against it in all circumstances though?

Me personally?

To be truly pro life isn't to place more importance on the life of the baby over the life of the mother, it is to place equal importance on all lives.

In this situation obviously if the mother dies in pregnancy the baby would die anyway. So not allowing an abortion would not be in the best interests of preserving life.

I'm not pro baby, I'm pro life. Whatever it takes to preserve life, whichever life it is most sensible to preserve, be it the child's or the mother's.

A woman has a right to choose not to be forced into carrying and giving birth to a baby, especially if she had no choice and was forced into being impregnated.

I would argue that the importance of life takes precedence but I know from experience that it makes no difference what I say.

I've been in many abortion related threads on many forums over the years, and nobody ever changes anybody else's opinion on this topic."

As this thread has shown, we all have our own opinions which we feel deeply about. That's human nature, in the interest of preventing this discussion escalating into any unpleasantness, we have both aired our opinions and I respect you for sharing yours

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think it's abhorrent that people can shout abuse at women going through one of the hardest things in he world! So yes...in my opinion, they should be banned...and I think if you pass judgement on a woman who has an abortion it's says far more about you than them!

I'm all for freedom of speech, but there's a time and a place.

People are too quick to judge!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And I especially dislike the men who stand there and do this as they have no business interfiering in a womans choice of what she does with her situation.

Within a positive relationship does a potential father not have a say?"

Yes he would have a say but altimatly it’s the woman’s choise as she would have to want it and she would probably be the main carer.

I am more talking about complete strangers (men) dictating what a woman should or should not do.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Protests should be allowed, but when and where is already a subject of police discretion.

Pro life as a protest on the high street is fine, but picketing clinics should not be allowed. Nor should environmentalists be allowed to picket fertility clinics or maternity hospitals, on an over population protest.

The pro life pickets, are more about intimidating individuals than protesting for change.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

odd how the protesters don't get dragged down the street and ruffed up in the back of a meat wagon by an overzealous fuzz then bound over by the local maj, like the folks who are protesting let's say fracking or even tree felling in sheffield

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Protests should be allowed, but when and where is already a subject of police discretion.

The pro life pickets, are more about intimidating individuals than protesting for change."

What I was trying to get across earlier but didn't because of my hangover fuelled state

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No they shouldn't be banned.

Pro lifers truly believe that an innocent baby is being killed when an abortion takes place.

Imagine it was a building where newborn babies were being slaughtered. Would anyone here stand for that? Of course not, there would be public outrage.

In the eyes of a pro lifer there is no difference. It's a baby being killed. They have the right to shout about it if you ask me.

Ditto

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"In the eyes of a pro lifer there is no difference. It's a baby being killed. They have the right to shout about it if you ask me."

In the eyes of extreme pro lifers the sperm and egg are potential innocent life's so contraception is wrong!

Lines need drawing (and have been), the argument should be about where those lines are in a variety of circumstances.

So the place for the debate is not in the faces of women who are already mostly facing a traumatic decision.

No problem with the debate, just don't think it should be in the form of a picket line.

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By *ampWithABrainWoman over a year ago

Glasgow

Yes. You don't want an abortion, don't have one, you've no right to tell other people seeking a legal act what to do.

I think pro-life is a misnomer and 'forced birther' more accurate.

They don't protest contraception as vehemently and certainly don't target men who are 50% responsible for all pregnancies but don't have to deal with actually being pregnant.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's a philosophical question and right.

I the right of the woman who wants the abortion vs the right of the baby, the rights of the protesters vs the rights of the clinical to provide a service etc.

They should be asked if they know the difference between positive rights and negative rights.

If they can't explain the difference between positive and negative rights then I personally think they have no right to protest or free speech.

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By *lceeWoman over a year ago

Leeds

It depends on the lines they cross. We have freedom of speech so yes, buuuuut I’ve had to use those services twice, around a decade ago. Both times the people outside were foul...there was a girl who could not have been more than fourteen that was trying to get in with her mum and there was a woman screaming the worst things right in her face about her being a murderer, begging her not to do it etc. The girl was utterly traumatised, as if she already hadn’t had the hardest choice to make.

So yeah, I think if they are peacefully, silently protesting, fine. If they are causing serious emotional distress then no, those who go too far should be removed.

After all, I’d expect the same for pro choice campaigners outside pro life pregnancy advice centres.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"These religious nutcases all need to fuck off.

Nasty horrible people that only cause hurt.

I support abortion 100% and people that are anti can use whatever terminology they like.

As will I.

I'm being neither condescending or patronizing - I'm having an opinion.

You appear very argumentative and joyless - I cant really be arsed to be honest!

I think anyone reading passages of the bible whilst shouting abuse at women going through a difficult time must be nutters!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"These religious nutcases all need to fuck off.

Nasty horrible people that only cause hurt.

I support abortion 100% and people that are anti can use whatever terminology they like.

As will I.

I'm being neither condescending or patronizing - I'm having an opinion.

You appear very argumentative and joyless - I cant really be arsed to be honest!

I think anyone reading passages of the bible whilst shouting abuse at women going through a difficult time must be nutters!

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By *ust RachelTV/TS over a year ago

Horsham

I knew a girl who used abortions as a form of contraception, so they have their place. Maybe not as in your face as some are though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They have every right to protest against something which they don't feel is correct..

But on the note of abortion, one thing which I don't feel it is correct is, not having to get a concern from the men who has equal part in first place for a women to get pregnant. I heard people saying it is women's body they can do what they want, but what about the men who involved he may wanted a kid. I feel there should be a mutual say on that. There are circumstances where the women don't know who the guy was or can't contact which can be accepted but women who are in relationship and if they abort without asking men isn't right thing to do, this is my view..

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By *ampWithABrainWoman over a year ago

Glasgow

"They have every right to protest against something which they don't feel is correct..

When men can get pregnant - then they can get an equal say. Pregnancy takes a massive toll on the body and mind. In addition the great majority of the time it's women do the majority of childcare and financial support etc once child born

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If freedom means anything, it means having to listen to things you don't like!.

Some protesters go past what's lawful and should be prosecuted....

However I don't believe in punishing the innocent through association

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They have every right to protest against something which they don't feel is correct..

Lol if men can get pregnant why we need women.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No they shouldn't be banned.

Pro lifers truly believe that an innocent baby is being killed when an abortion takes place.

Imagine it was a building where newborn babies were being slaughtered. Would anyone here stand for that? Of course not, there would be public outrage.

In the eyes of a pro lifer there is no difference. It's a baby being killed. They have the right to shout about it if you ask me.

The difference being that abortion is legal and slaughtering new born babies isn't.

Legal doesn't always = moral.

Slavery was once legal too"

Are you sure? Was there ever legislation to make slavery legal or did it merely exist?

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By *ampWithABrainWoman over a year ago

Glasgow

"They have every right to protest against something which they don't feel is correct..

Lol if men can get pregnant why we need women.

Yea right! If men got pregnant none of this would be an issue, contraception, abortion would not be questioned

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And I especially dislike the men who stand there and do this as they have no business interfiering in a womans choice of what she does with her situation.

Within a positive relationship does a potential father not have a say?"

He can not override the woman's decision but obviously can talk to his partner.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They have every right to protest against something which they don't feel is correct..

So you want a woman to seek permission?

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By *ampWithABrainWoman over a year ago

Glasgow

"They have every right to protest against something which they don't feel is correct..

So you want a woman to seek permission?

From a man who has NO idea of the realities

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Lol if men can get pregnant why we need women.

Now you are just being silly

there are a fair few reasons for Women, the least important is breeding!

Personally I think in a committed çouple relationship if both don't feel 100% comfortable having a child, then the woman makes the decision. Even if a man takes 100% emotional & financial care of the child it is only equal to the first 9 months. And I say that as a single widower father from a young age to adulthood.

Abortion is not a good thing, bringing a child into a bad world is not a good thing. Choices are not black and white on this topic. But they are choices that rightly belong to the potential mother.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Lol if men can get pregnant why we need women.

Now you are just being silly

there are a fair few reasons for Women, the least important is breeding!

Abortion is not a good thing, bringing a child into a bad world is not a good thing. Choices are not black and white on this topic. But they are choices that rightly belong to the potential mother. "

Stop talking sense... people wont like it

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By *ampWithABrainWoman over a year ago

Glasgow

"Lol if men can get pregnant why we need women.

Now you are just being silly

there are a fair few reasons for Women, the least important is breeding!

Abortion is not a good thing, bringing a child into a bad world is not a good thing. Choices are not black and white on this topic. But they are choices that rightly belong to the potential mother. "

Well said

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Lol if men can get pregnant why we need women.

Now you are just being silly

there are a fair few reasons for Women, the least important is breeding!

Abortion is not a good thing, bringing a child into a bad world is not a good thing. Choices are not black and white on this topic. But they are choices that rightly belong to the potential mother.

Stop talking sense... people wont like it

I do apologise, most unlike me...

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"No they shouldn't be banned.

Pro lifers truly believe that an innocent baby is being killed when an abortion takes place.

Imagine it was a building where newborn babies were being slaughtered. Would anyone here stand for that? Of course not, there would be public outrage.

In the eyes of a pro lifer there is no difference. It's a baby being killed. They have the right to shout about it if you ask me.

The difference being that abortion is legal and slaughtering new born babies isn't.

Legal doesn't always = moral.

Slavery was once legal too

Are you sure? Was there ever legislation to make slavery legal or did it merely exist?"

Thats not how law works. Things are legal until a law makes them illegal. Hence why people keep dying from 'legal highs' because they are relatively new and no law has made them illegal yet. So yes slavery has been legal for the vast majority of human history and used by just about every major empire that ever existed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Lol if men can get pregnant why we need women.

Now you are just being silly

there are a fair few reasons for Women, the least important is breeding!

Abortion is not a good thing, bringing a child into a bad world is not a good thing. Choices are not black and white on this topic. But they are choices that rightly belong to the potential mother. "
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The key point for protesters is when that child has rights.

See for them that child has rights the minute it's conceived, now if there right (I'm not saying they are) then the woman has no right to kill the child who is a separate entity to herself (although admittedly inside the woman).

The middle road was always allowing abortion from only a very early part of the pregnancy when there was middle ground between when a fetus becomes a child!.

Alas for the fringes on both sides the middle ground will always be a battle ground

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No they shouldn't be banned.

Pro lifers truly believe that an innocent baby is being killed when an abortion takes place.

Imagine it was a building where newborn babies were being slaughtered. Would anyone here stand for that? Of course not, there would be public outrage.

In the eyes of a pro lifer there is no difference. It's a baby being killed. They have the right to shout about it if you ask me.

The difference being that abortion is legal and slaughtering new born babies isn't.

Legal doesn't always = moral.

Slavery was once legal too

Are you sure? Was there ever legislation to make slavery legal or did it merely exist?

I'll await confirmation from someone versed in law, in the meantime I'll stick to the fact the word legal relates to law.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"No they shouldn't be banned.

Pro lifers truly believe that an innocent baby is being killed when an abortion takes place.

Imagine it was a building where newborn babies were being slaughtered. Would anyone here stand for that? Of course not, there would be public outrage.

In the eyes of a pro lifer there is no difference. It's a baby being killed. They have the right to shout about it if you ask me.

The difference being that abortion is legal and slaughtering new born babies isn't.

Legal doesn't always = moral.

Slavery was once legal too

Are you sure? Was there ever legislation to make slavery legal or did it merely exist?

I'll await confirmation from someone versed in law, in the meantime I'll stick to the fact the word legal relates to law."

True, im more a history buff than law. It's just than when the Crown grants a Royal monopoly for slave trade routes and collects taxes from it, that tends to be a legal activity.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No they shouldn't be banned.

Pro lifers truly believe that an innocent baby is being killed when an abortion takes place.

Imagine it was a building where newborn babies were being slaughtered. Would anyone here stand for that? Of course not, there would be public outrage.

In the eyes of a pro lifer there is no difference. It's a baby being killed. They have the right to shout about it if you ask me.

The difference being that abortion is legal and slaughtering new born babies isn't.

Legal doesn't always = moral.

Slavery was once legal too

Are you sure? Was there ever legislation to make slavery legal or did it merely exist?

I agree with your point but will just put out that the Psychoactive Substances Act is the new law attempting to get ahead of the game with the legal high issue.

. Okay, as you were.

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By *loswingersCouple over a year ago

Gloucester

No they shouldn’t be banned .

They choose to protest at abortion clinics because that’s the most relevant place to protest , common sense really .

I personally don’t have an opinion one way or the other on abortion , but I respect the right to freedom of speech as much as I respect the right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes.

They should be picketing cemeteries instead. "

A Bill Hicks quote for every occasion!

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By *ampWithABrainWoman over a year ago

Glasgow

"No they shouldn’t be banned .

They choose to protest at abortion clinics because that’s the most relevant place to protest , common sense really .

I personally don’t have an opinion one way or the other on abortion , but I respect the right to freedom of speech as much as I respect the right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy ."

No they choose to protest there as the girls and women are easy vulnerable targets.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"No they shouldn’t be banned .

They choose to protest at abortion clinics because that’s the most relevant place to protest , common sense really .

I personally don’t have an opinion one way or the other on abortion , but I respect the right to freedom of speech as much as I respect the right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy .

No they choose to protest there as the girls and women are easy vulnerable targets. "

Yes I think that comes into the equation certainly. Someone walking into one of those places has used all their emotional strength to get there and is already at the most vulnerable they will have ever been. However women and girls in supportive relationships will have their partner with them so they will be targeting some men.

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By *he Devils Daughter!Woman over a year ago

some where in yorkshire

I had to terminate my baby at 20 wks due to complications n it was one of the hardest things I ever had to do n still 13 yrs on I think bout it n I still cry each day

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By *ampWithABrainWoman over a year ago

Glasgow

"I had to terminate my baby at 20 wks due to complications n it was one of the hardest things I ever had to do n still 13 yrs on I think bout it n I still cry each day

So sorry you went through that

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By *aul1973HullMan over a year ago

East Hull

"I had to terminate my baby at 20 wks due to complications n it was one of the hardest things I ever had to do n still 13 yrs on I think bout it n I still cry each day

Heartbreaking

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"No they shouldn't be banned.

Pro lifers truly believe that an innocent baby is being killed when an abortion takes place.

Imagine it was a building where newborn babies were being slaughtered. Would anyone here stand for that? Of course not, there would be public outrage.

In the eyes of a pro lifer there is no difference. It's a baby being killed. They have the right to shout about it if you ask me.

The difference being that abortion is legal and slaughtering new born babies isn't.

Legal doesn't always = moral.

Slavery was once legal too

Are you sure? Was there ever legislation to make slavery legal or did it merely exist?

I'll await confirmation from someone versed in law, in the meantime I'll stick to the fact the word legal relates to law."

The British Parliament made the slave trade illegal in 1807 and. slavery itself illegal in 1833. Hence those things were legal before those dates.

Interestingly there was a famous court judgment in the late 18th century which found that slavery was unknown to the laws of England (the case was about a West Indian planter who had brought a slave to England and said slave ran away). Thus it was legal to own and trade slaves in the British Empire outside England but not in England itself.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"No they shouldn't be banned.

Pro lifers truly believe that an innocent baby is being killed when an abortion takes place.

Imagine it was a building where newborn babies were being slaughtered. Would anyone here stand for that? Of course not, there would be public outrage.

In the eyes of a pro lifer there is no difference. It's a baby being killed. They have the right to shout about it if you ask me.

The difference being that abortion is legal and slaughtering new born babies isn't.

Legal doesn't always = moral.

Slavery was once legal too

Are you sure? Was there ever legislation to make slavery legal or did it merely exist?

I'll await confirmation from someone versed in law, in the meantime I'll stick to the fact the word legal relates to law.

The British Parliament made the slave trade illegal in 1807 and. slavery itself illegal in 1833. Hence those things were legal before those dates.

But are you versed in law? It's just that it sounds like you're saying a variety of 'things are legal until a law makes them illegal'.

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By *aul1973HullMan over a year ago

East Hull

"No they shouldn't be banned.

Pro lifers truly believe that an innocent baby is being killed when an abortion takes place.

Imagine it was a building where newborn babies were being slaughtered. Would anyone here stand for that? Of course not, there would be public outrage.

In the eyes of a pro lifer there is no difference. It's a baby being killed. They have the right to shout about it if you ask me.

The difference being that abortion is legal and slaughtering new born babies isn't.

Legal doesn't always = moral.

Slavery was once legal too

Are you sure? Was there ever legislation to make slavery legal or did it merely exist?

I'll await confirmation from someone versed in law, in the meantime I'll stick to the fact the word legal relates to law.

The British Parliament made the slave trade illegal in 1807 and. slavery itself illegal in 1833. Hence those things were legal before those dates.

But are you versed in law? It's just that it sounds like you're saying a variety of 'things are legal until a law makes them illegal'."

Something has to first be legal in order for it to be made illegal.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Pro lifers should be banned I had an abortion years ago. Its my body and my choice they should really find something else to do.

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By *arnsleycouple7683Couple over a year ago

Barnsley

Are people really trying to argue that slavery wasn't legal?

*blinks*

*blinks again*

You don't have to make something legal unless it has previously been deemed illegal.

I doubt anybody has officially passed a law deeming carrots to be legal. It doesn't make them illegal though. They are carrots for goodness sake. There's no need.

Things are legal until they are found to be illegal.

Good grief!

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Are people really trying to argue that slavery wasn't legal?

*blinks*

*blinks again*

You don't have to make something legal unless it has previously been deemed illegal.

I doubt anybody has officially passed a law deeming carrots to be legal. It doesn't make them illegal though. They are carrots for goodness sake. There's no need.

Things are legal until they are found to be illegal.

Good grief!"

No, say it isn't so. The only pleasure I get from carrots is the knowledge that eating them is illegal.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Are people really trying to argue that slavery wasn't legal?

*blinks*

*blinks again*

You don't have to make something legal unless it has previously been deemed illegal.

I doubt anybody has officially passed a law deeming carrots to be legal. It doesn't make them illegal though. They are carrots for goodness sake. There's no need.

Things are legal until they are found to be illegal.

Good grief!

No, say it isn't so. The only pleasure I get from carrots is the knowledge that eating them is illegal.

Jeez keep up

Eating carrots was made legal in 1699 by royal decree of William III. That's why he's called William of Orange

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Are people really trying to argue that slavery wasn't legal?

*blinks*

*blinks again*

You don't have to make something legal unless it has previously been deemed illegal.

I doubt anybody has officially passed a law deeming carrots to be legal. It doesn't make them illegal though. They are carrots for goodness sake. There's no need.

Things are legal until they are found to be illegal.

Good grief!

No, say it isn't so. The only pleasure I get from carrots is the knowledge that eating them is illegal.

Jeez keep up

Eating carrots was made legal in 1699 by royal decree of William III. That's why he's called William of Orange

Darn it! Of course, I should have realised

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No they shouldn't be banned.

Pro lifers truly believe that an innocent baby is being killed when an abortion takes place.

Imagine it was a building where newborn babies were being slaughtered. Would anyone here stand for that? Of course not, there would be public outrage.

In the eyes of a pro lifer there is no difference. It's a baby being killed. They have the right to shout about it if you ask me.

The difference being that abortion is legal and slaughtering new born babies isn't.

Legal doesn't always = moral.

Slavery was once legal too

Are you sure? Was there ever legislation to make slavery legal or did it merely exist?

I'll await confirmation from someone versed in law, in the meantime I'll stick to the fact the word legal relates to law.

The British Parliament made the slave trade illegal in 1807 and. slavery itself illegal in 1833. Hence those things were legal before those dates.

Your second paragraph highlights my point "unknown to law".

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No, they shouldn’t be banned. No person should be silenced, doesn’t matter how ridiculous their position on a particular topic is. How do you otherwise reaffirm your own belief on something?

"Freedom is always and exclusively freedom for the one who thinks differently." - Rosa Luxemburg

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"No, they shouldn’t be banned. No person should be silenced, doesn’t matter how ridiculous their position on a particular topic is. How do you otherwise reaffirm your own belief on something?

"Freedom is always and exclusively freedom for the one who thinks differently." - Rosa Luxemburg"

Haven't certain extremists been banned from speaking publicly?

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By *adyJayneWoman over a year ago

Burnleyish (She/They)

"Protesting is one thing. Harassment is another. "

This...

There are often anti-protests going on at the same time (I’ve been involved with a few) we protected people from car park to doorway (forming a human barrier), we played music to down out shouting / harassment, and we have the nurses, doctors and staff flowers and chocolates, just because.

It helped ease some of the additional stresses placed there by the protestors. I highly encourage others to get involved!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Haven't certain extremists been banned from speaking publicly?"

Not aware of public speaking bans but wouldn’t be surprised if there was

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes.

They should be picketing cemeteries instead.

Or the government that makes the laws.

It's shameful and horrific that they harass people that are already going through a traumatic experience.

Nothing is cut and dry...there are so many reasons why some one will be having an abortion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How do they have the time? Don't they work? If they're protesting instead of working stop their benefits."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Protesting is one thing. Harassment is another. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Protesting is one thing. Harassment is another.

This...

It helped ease some of the additional stresses placed there by the protestors. I highly encourage others to get involved!"

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By *aul1973HullMan over a year ago

East Hull

"Haven't certain extremists been banned from speaking publicly?

Not aware of public speaking bans but wouldn’t be surprised if there was"

From October 1988 to September 1994 the voices of representatives from Sinn Féin and several Irish republican and loyalist groups were banned by the British government from being broadcast on television and radio in theUnited Kingdom.

I remember Gerry Adams voice being dubbed on tv.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How do they have the time? Don't they work? If they're protesting instead of working stop their benefits.

Not everyone who doesn't work claim benefits. I have never been entitled to any benefits, and only work a few months in any year.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ah the delightful 40 days for life people!

I think what you need to remember that the pro life protesters are there to try and stop the "murder" of unborn children.

Let's say that the children murdered were 7 months older and therefore livubg5 outside the womb rather than in (after been born), still completely unable to survive without constant care, be it in the womb or outside.

If people were not stopping the murder of new born babies I'd imagine the public would be outraged. Can you explain to me the difference?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There's a group who I see on my way to work. They are always there, directly opposite the clinic, if not standing outside the entrance.

They very rarely are just harmlessly expressing their views on the subject which I'd be fine

with. I draw the line at standing directly outside the clinic trying to influence someone with moralist and ethical arguments when someone is entitiled to see a medical professional on the desire to have 100% agency over their own body.

Plus Ive seen them upon occasion thrust leaflets into a persons face or pockets. Occasionally flinging bullshit water at people walking into the clunic. Thd leaflets are filled with the greatest fallacies surrounding abortion. They should be banned till they correct their information.

Sometimes they form a gagle at the entrace blocking the way in and out, employees have to come out and threaten them with getting the poluce involved.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ah the delightful 40 days for life people!

I think what you need to remember that the pro life protesters are there to try and stop the "murder" of unborn children.

If people were not stopping the murder of new born babies I'd imagine the public would be outraged. Can you explain to me the difference?"

Really?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes really!

So I've recently spent some time looking I to this,formally being pro choice I have recently changed my views - here's why...

I really don't see the difference between aborting a "unborn baby" be it at 2 weeks or 38 weeks is any different to taking the life of a "new borb baby" - where people have been convicted of killing babies they are held up as monsters in our society. Where the baby happens to be living at the time, ie in the womb or in a house doesn't change things for me? I'd like to hear why it changes everything for some? Which takes me onto my next pount...

People say, but the unborn child wouldn't survive on its own. Okay well a new born baby would not survive without constant attention outside the womb. If your view is that "something being helpless makes it okay to be killed" that it die would for anyway if left to itself. What is wrong with my view that something being weak and helpless means we should protect it, both in terms of law and literally?

Also people bring up women who are pregnant as a result of a sexual attack case example too, yes this is a terrible situation. The woman is a victim of a terrible crime and as a society we need to support her fully. But if as a result of that crime a innocent child has been produced, then aborting the child does not undo the crime or "put things right". In the example here the woman has been a victim, but why make another victim and end the life of a unborn child. People would say but the pregnancy will be terrible for the woman, I agree, but does it justify murder? I decided no.

Where there are health concerns for the mother brought about by the pregnancy, the doctors always prioritise the mother and save the mother first, that happens now and I agree with this.

If you have sex, an act known to create life - it does not give you the right to end that life if you choose to, for whatever reason.

I'd invite a debate with any points I've made above, but would ask that we all be respectful to each other.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes really!

So I've recently spent some time looking I to this,formally being pro choice I have recently changed my views - here's why...

Where there are health concerns for the mother brought about by the pregnancy, the doctors always prioritise the mother and save the mother first, that happens now and I agree with this.

If you have sex, an act known to create life - it does not give you the right to end that life if you choose to, for whatever reason.

I'd invite a debate with any points I've made above, but would ask that we all be respectful to each other.

Why 2 weeks, why not 2 days? First point is that it is not about being helpless but being viable. It is simply not murder if the collection of cells is not viable.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why 2 weeks, why not 2 days? First point is that it is not about being helpless but being viable. It is simply not murder if the collection of cells is not viable."

When you say not viable? What does that mean?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why 2 weeks, why not 2 days? First point is that it is not about being helpless but being viable. It is simply not murder if the collection of cells is not viable.

When you say not viable? What does that mean?

It can live outside the womb with or without medical assistance. This is the point at which terminations do not occur after. At present it is 24 weeks I believe. I would like this reduced slightly due to medical advancement.

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By *eRockDjMan over a year ago

Darlington(work dl3) Barny (live dl12)

This is a double edged sword, everyone has the right to have their say in this country, but also women have the freedom of choice weather they want to have a child or not, I am all for abortions but that's because of some personal issues to so with a unconsented sex. People who try to bully or pester women outside these places should be stopped or moved to where they wont cause distress, my opinion only

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So if you leave a newborn baby on its own for 12 hours it will die, it is not viable for life without support.

Put me underwater for 2 min and I will die.

Where a baby needs to live, or the support it needs to survive doesn't change anything in my mind

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Cause distress?

What about the distress on the child whos life is being taken, surely that's the ultimate distress.

Could you complete this sentence, it's not murder because....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So if you leave a newborn baby on its own for 12 hours it will die, it is not viable for life without support.

Put me underwater for 2 min and I will die.

Where a baby needs to live, or the support it needs to survive doesn't change anything in my mind"

You're being ignorant now (lacking knowledge). Go do some research into the stages of embryonic and foetal development.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'd invite a debate with any points I've made above, but would ask that we all be respectful to each other.

Sperm is living cells with a degree of intelligence in its egg seeking skills. So are condoms murdering babies?

There is a line that needs to be drawn, there will be an ideal point e.g. pre conception an ok point, e.g. just after conception and an extreme point currently 24 weeks, though it is exceptional to go past 12.

Unwanted pregnancy is a bad thing for all concerned. But early abortion improves life for many. Medical reason abortions tend to be the ones that happen later, where perhaps a much wanted child is destined to be so disabled abortion is the best option for all. Thankfully not a decision I have ever had to make, and never will have to make. But people forced into that position deserve to be left alone.

Protesters should stick to politicians and petition for where the lines should be drawn. Not victimise already traumatised women.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So if you leave a newborn baby on its own for 12 hours it will die, it is not viable for life without support.

Put me underwater for 2 min and I will die.

Where a baby needs to live, or the support it needs to survive doesn't change anything in my mind

You're being ignorant now (lacking knowledge). Go do some research into the stages of embryonic and foetal development."

Whatever label you want to put on a human being during it's life cycle. Embryo, feotus, baby, toddler, child, teenager, adult, pensioner - I dont think it's right to kill them in any of the above categories, why do you think its okay for some categories and not others?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So if you leave a newborn baby on its own for 12 hours it will die, it is not viable for life without support.

Put me underwater for 2 min and I will die.

Where a baby needs to live, or the support it needs to survive doesn't change anything in my mind

You're being ignorant now (lacking knowledge). Go do some research into the stages of embryonic and foetal development.

Do you practice safe sex? Or use any form of contraception?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So if you leave a newborn baby on its own for 12 hours it will die, it is not viable for life without support.

Put me underwater for 2 min and I will die.

Where a baby needs to live, or the support it needs to survive doesn't change anything in my mind

You're being ignorant now (lacking knowledge). Go do some research into the stages of embryonic and foetal development.

Do you practice safe sex? Or use any form of contraception? "

Sperm although is an ingredient of life it is not life. So this argunebt does t apply to what ive said, but it is a valid point agaibst some religious arguments.

Can someone please answer me these three uestions

1, I support the ending of an (established pregnancy) life in the womb because...

2, I dont support the killing of a 1 day old baby because...

3, I feel differently about question 1 and 2 because....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I support the ending of an (established pregnancy) life in the womb because...

2, I dont support the killing of a 1 day old baby because...

3, I feel differently about question 1 and 2 because...."

1 because until a brain has developed there is no human life involved.

2 I disagree, if the child is badly disabled and has no chance of a quality of life then it should be left to fate. I also think euthanasia should be an option later in life. though struggle with assisted suicide.

3 it's a much harder decision later in life. Option 1 is not an easy decision but easier.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

Sperm although is an ingredient of life it is not life. "

Sperm are living cells in the same way that a foetus is made up of living cells. Neither are a human being, but both have the potential to become one.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I support the ending of an (established pregnancy) life in the womb because...

2, I dont support the killing of a 1 day old baby because...

3, I feel differently about question 1 and 2 because....

1 because until a brain has developed there is no human life involved.

3 it's a much harder decision later in life. Option 1 is not an easy decision but easier."

Okay thanks for putting an actual opinion forward. We seem to be on different extremes of the argument but I appreciate you outfit g your views for us to see

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By *ieman300Man over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East

Abortion is currently legal. End of argument. The morals and reasoning for and against is irrelavant.

Protest against the law not the clinics or the girls.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sperm although is an ingredient of life it is not life.

Sperm are living cells in the same way that a foetus is made up of living cells. Neither are a human being, but both have the potential to become one. "

Some people do believe that sperm should not be wasted as it could potentially become life. I do t believe that however as sperm on its own would never become life.

Arguments can be taken to extremes but that's not what I've said at any point

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By *aul1973HullMan over a year ago

East Hull

Can someone please answer me these three questions

1, I support the ending of an (established pregnancy) life in the womb because...

2, I dont support the killing of a 1 day old baby because...

3, I feel differently about question 1 and 2 because...."

There is no right answer, there are far too many variables to take into account.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Abortion is currently legal. End of argument. The morals and reasoning for and against is irrelavant.

Protest against the law not the clinics or the girls."

Aww that's cute,

you wanted to say something even though you had nothing to add to the debate - well done

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By *ieman300Man over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East

Sperm although is an ingredient of life it is not life.

Sperm are living cells in the same way that a foetus is made up of living cells. Neither are a human being, but both have the potential to become one. "

Best stop wanking then.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Abortion is currently legal. End of argument. The morals and reasoning for and against is irrelavant.

Protest against the law not the clinics or the girls.

Aww that's cute,

you wanted to say something even though you had nothing to add to the debate - well done"

It was you that requested we stay respectful, and actually that post was more on topic than your diversion. Please attempt to play by your own rules

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By *ampWithABrainWoman over a year ago

Glasgow

No womb no right to force someone to endure a pregnancy and birth.

The comments on sexual assault not being a reason to abort are vile and show a deep lack of understanding that forcing a woman who has been assaulted to continue with a pregnancy as a result of assault when she doesn't want to is to CONTINUE to violate her - in every way

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

Sperm although is an ingredient of life it is not life.

Sperm are living cells in the same way that a foetus is made up of living cells. Neither are a human being, but both have the potential to become one.

Some people do believe that sperm should not be wasted as it could potentially become life. I do t believe that however as sperm on its own would never become life.

Arguments can be taken to extremes but that's not what I've said at any point"

I didn't say you thought sperm was life. I was explaining that it is life, in the same way that a foetus is. Just telling me what you think again isn't answering my point.

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By *ieman300Man over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East

"Abortion is currently legal. End of argument. The morals and reasoning for and against is irrelavant.

Protest against the law not the clinics or the girls.

Aww that's cute,

you wanted to say something even though you had nothing to add to the debate - well done"

Made my point.

Open forum.

Next.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I remember there being protesters outside the BPAS clinic in Cardiff when I went there a few years ago

The staff pre warned me on the phone but said they were not allowe to touch or speak to patients as it was classed as harrassment.

I have never come across them at NHS services.

Anti-choicers/ Pro-Birthers who harrass women outside clinics are the lowest form of bullies in my opinion but everyone is entiled to their views, however, thankfully in this country we are entitled to access safe free reproductive healthcare and always will be unlike some poor women in countries like Ireland. A few religious nuts sticking their snouts into other women's very personal, private affairs is the least of our worries in the UK

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

" I do t believe that however as sperm on its own would never become life.

A foetus on its own can't become life either. It needs a certain element that you're completing willing to disregard.

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