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Its a 50/50..or is it ?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Its a classic dilemma..
A runaway trolley car is hurtling down a track where it will kill five people..
You are standing on a bridge above the track and, aware of the imminent disaster, you decide to jump on the track to block the trolley car.. Although you will die, the five people will be saved.
Just before your leap, you realise that you are too light to stop the trolley..
Next to you, a fat man is standing on the very edge of the bridge..innocently daydreaming and unaware of the situation.. He would certainly block the trolley, although he would undoubtedly die from the impact..
A small nudge and he would fall right onto the track below..
No one would ever know..you pushed him..thats certain..
So the question is ...do you push him ?
Sacrifice this innocent man, to save 5 others ?
Its a dilemma, thats still causes great dispute within philosophy...
The greater good comes first...
The end justifies the means..
Or...the moral right is always the imperative..regardless of consequences...
So which camp do you fall in..
Just a fun thing...hopefully...no argueing...its still blooming Thursday after all..  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I couldn't take a life, so I couldn't or rather wouldn't push the fat guy onto the track.
I wouldn't sacrifice myself to save 5 strangers as that would also deprive my family of my exsistance.
I would have to let the accident happen. I could live with the consequense because it was something beyond my control.
I couldn't live with the guilt of killing someone even if it was to save 5 other people. |
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"I couldn't take a life, so I couldn't or rather wouldn't push the fat guy onto the track.
I wouldn't sacrifice myself to save 5 strangers as that would also deprive my family of my exsistance.
I would have to let the accident happen. I could live with the consequense because it was something beyond my control.
I couldn't live with the guilt of killing someone even if it was to save 5 other people."
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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I am not brave enough to jump! I am not crass enough to sacrifice someone else. But I couldn't stand and do nothing! If all I could do was shout to warn or throw something inanimate off the bridge, then that is what I would do!
As distinct from those that would say "they are strangers, what has it got to do with me?"   |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I couldn't take a life, so I couldn't or rather wouldn't push the fat guy onto the track.
I wouldn't sacrifice myself to save 5 strangers as that would also deprive my family of my exsistance.
I would have to let the accident happen. I could live with the consequense because it was something beyond my control.
I couldn't live with the guilt of killing someone even if it was to save 5 other people."
Smashing answer Jack..
The thing with these dilemmas is you can play around..
What if ..
You know the fat man ...hes got a terminal illness..you know he only has months to live...
And the 5 people are people you know...you`re appalled that you reconise your neighbours children..
You can`t jump...for an unknown reason...
The greater good ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I couldn't take a life, so I couldn't or rather wouldn't push the fat guy onto the track.
I wouldn't sacrifice myself to save 5 strangers as that would also deprive my family of my exsistance.
I would have to let the accident happen. I could live with the consequense because it was something beyond my control.
I couldn't live with the guilt of killing someone even if it was to save 5 other people.
Smashing answer Jack..
The thing with these dilemmas is you can play around..
What if ..
You know the fat man ...hes got a terminal illness..you know he only has months to live...
And the 5 people are people you know...you`re appalled that you reconise your neighbours children..
You can`t jump...for an unknown reason...
The greater good ?"
I'll stick with what I've already said.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I couldn't take a life, so I couldn't or rather wouldn't push the fat guy onto the track.
I wouldn't sacrifice myself to save 5 strangers as that would also deprive my family of my exsistance.
I would have to let the accident happen. I could live with the consequense because it was something beyond my control.
I couldn't live with the guilt of killing someone even if it was to save 5 other people.
Smashing answer Jack..
The thing with these dilemmas is you can play around..
What if ..
You know the fat man ...hes got a terminal illness..you know he only has months to live...
And the 5 people are people you know...you`re appalled that you reconise your neighbours children..
You can`t jump...for an unknown reason...
The greater good ?
I'll stick with what I've already said.
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Good fer you.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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How do we know the fat man is'nt aware of the situation?
He could well be thinking what if I chuck the guy next to me off the bridge to save those 5 idiots standing on the track?  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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".........Orrrrrrrr jump down, pull the lever by the side of the track and switch the trolley car onto another track, thus avoiding the five people.  "
haha ....oh ..the old runaway trolley..
Yer way ahead of me ..ain`t yer  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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".........Orrrrrrrr jump down, pull the lever by the side of the track and switch the trolley car onto another track, thus avoiding the five people.
haha ....oh ..the old runaway trolley..
Yer way ahead of me ..ain`t yer "
Blame that Barclays Bank ad. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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".........Orrrrrrrr jump down, pull the lever by the side of the track and switch the trolley car onto another track, thus avoiding the five people.
haha ....oh ..the old runaway trolley..
Yer way ahead of me ..ain`t yer
Blame that Barclays Bank ad. "
Buster Keaton got there first |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I would grab the fat guy and take him with me, thereby shielding him from death, and stopping the trolley as well- simple physics.
And with a bit off luck (and a lot of poetic licence) he would happen to be a fantastically talented surgeon who would then save my life and patch me up too! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why are 5 people on the track 
Don't they know its dangerous?
haha..behave you
Sorry 
Forgiven instantly...give me five "
They're on the track facing imminent death at the moment  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Why are 5 people on the track
Don't they know its dangerous?
haha..behave you
Sorry
Forgiven instantly...give me five
They're on the track facing imminent death at the moment "
pmsl |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Why are 5 people on the track
Don't they know its dangerous?
haha..behave you
Sorry
Forgiven instantly...give me five
They're on the track facing imminent death at the moment "
Hahaaa (gurgles) heehaha
I must think things thru...bangs head |
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By *umourCouple
over a year ago
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"I bet Batman would sort it, no probs 
Or the fat controller.
Ah! thats who the fat man is!
Sorted"
Ahh, if he was the fat controller, he could blow his whistle and wave his flag and all would be well, thereby saving the five and two!! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I would grab the fat guy and take him with me, thereby shielding him from death, and stopping the trolley as well- simple physics.
And with a bit off luck (and a lot of poetic licence) he would happen to be a fantastically talented surgeon who would then save my life and patch me up too! "
Impressive lateral thinking |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Don't make me panic......I can't make a proper informed decision in a panic I get all jumpy and nervous...........
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oopppps! just knocked the fat man over the side by accident! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Don't make me panic......I can't make a proper informed decision in a panic I get all jumpy and nervous...........
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oopppps! just knocked the fat man over the side by accident!"
Sympathetic magic haha |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Okee doke......freshen this one up a little if anyone is interested
Just a fun thing again..and its simple as ...
You see a runaway railway trolley careering down a track..heading for 5 people on the line..
Desperate to help you are uncertain what to do...until you notice a lever..
Throwing the lever will divert the railway trolley on to a fork in the track...
On the other fork however is a single person...
So you are faced with a simple choice...let 5 people die, or throw a lever and sacrifice one person to save their lives..
What would you do ?.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Its a classic dilemma..
A runaway trolley car is hurtling down a track where it will kill five people..
You are standing on a bridge above the track and, aware of the imminent disaster, you decide to jump on the track to block the trolley car.. Although you will die, the five people will be saved.
Just before your leap, you realise that you are too light to stop the trolley..
Next to you, a fat man is standing on the very edge of the bridge..innocently daydreaming and unaware of the situation.. He would certainly block the trolley, although he would undoubtedly die from the impact..
A small nudge and he would fall right onto the track below..
No one would ever know..you pushed him..thats certain..
So the question is ...do you push him ?
Sacrifice this innocent man, to save 5 others ?
Its a dilemma, thats still causes great dispute within philosophy...
The greater good comes first...
The end justifies the means..
Or...the moral right is always the imperative..regardless of consequences...
So which camp do you fall in..
Just a fun thing...hopefully...no argueing...its still blooming Thursday after all.. "
Depends on how fat the fat man is. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Its a classic dilemma..
A runaway trolley car is hurtling down a track where it will kill five people..
You are standing on a bridge above the track and, aware of the imminent disaster, you decide to jump on the track to block the trolley car.. Although you will die, the five people will be saved.
Just before your leap, you realise that you are too light to stop the trolley..
Next to you, a fat man is standing on the very edge of the bridge..innocently daydreaming and unaware of the situation.. He would certainly block the trolley, although he would undoubtedly die from the impact..
A small nudge and he would fall right onto the track below..
No one would ever know..you pushed him..thats certain..
So the question is ...do you push him ?
Sacrifice this innocent man, to save 5 others ?
Its a dilemma, thats still causes great dispute within philosophy...
The greater good comes first...
The end justifies the means..
Or...the moral right is always the imperative..regardless of consequences...
So which camp do you fall in..
Just a fun thing...hopefully...no argueing...its still blooming Thursday after all..
Depends on how fat the fat man is. "
Enormous...he`s a burden on the NHS...
What about my last post, that turned it around a little....make any difference do yer think ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Its a classic dilemma..
A runaway trolley car is hurtling down a track where it will kill five people..
You are standing on a bridge above the track and, aware of the imminent disaster, you decide to jump on the track to block the trolley car.. Although you will die, the five people will be saved.
Just before your leap, you realise that you are too light to stop the trolley..
Next to you, a fat man is standing on the very edge of the bridge..innocently daydreaming and unaware of the situation.. He would certainly block the trolley, although he would undoubtedly die from the impact..
A small nudge and he would fall right onto the track below..
No one would ever know..you pushed him..thats certain..
So the question is ...do you push him ?
Sacrifice this innocent man, to save 5 others ?
Its a dilemma, thats still causes great dispute within philosophy...
The greater good comes first...
The end justifies the means..
Or...the moral right is always the imperative..regardless of consequences...
So which camp do you fall in..
Just a fun thing...hopefully...no argueing...its still blooming Thursday after all..
Depends on how fat the fat man is.
Enormous...he`s a burden on the NHS...
What about my last post, that turned it around a little....make any difference do yer think ? "
I wouldn't be able to push him then lol but if i could then yes |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Its a classic dilemma..
A runaway trolley car is hurtling down a track where it will kill five people..
You are standing on a bridge above the track and, aware of the imminent disaster, you decide to jump on the track to block the trolley car.. Although you will die, the five people will be saved.
Just before your leap, you realise that you are too light to stop the trolley..
Next to you, a fat man is standing on the very edge of the bridge..innocently daydreaming and unaware of the situation.. He would certainly block the trolley, although he would undoubtedly die from the impact..
A small nudge and he would fall right onto the track below..
No one would ever know..you pushed him..thats certain..
So the question is ...do you push him ?
Sacrifice this innocent man, to save 5 others ?
Its a dilemma, thats still causes great dispute within philosophy...
The greater good comes first...
The end justifies the means..
Or...the moral right is always the imperative..regardless of consequences...
So which camp do you fall in..
Just a fun thing...hopefully...no argueing...its still blooming Thursday after all..
Depends on how fat the fat man is.
Enormous...he`s a burden on the NHS...
What about my last post, that turned it around a little....make any difference do yer think ?
I wouldn't be able to push him then lol but if i could then yes "
A utilitariam ?...interesting |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Okee doke......freshen this one up a little if anyone is interested
Just a fun thing again..and its simple as ...
You see a runaway railway trolley careering down a track..heading for 5 people on the line..
Desperate to help you are uncertain what to do...until you notice a lever..
Throwing the lever will divert the railway trolley on to a fork in the track...
On the other fork however is a single person...
So you are faced with a simple choice...let 5 people die, or throw a lever and sacrifice one person to save their lives..
What would you do ?.."
Would shut me eyes and hope for the best |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Okee doke......freshen this one up a little if anyone is interested
Just a fun thing again..and its simple as ...
You see a runaway railway trolley careering down a track..heading for 5 people on the line..
Desperate to help you are uncertain what to do...until you notice a lever..
Throwing the lever will divert the railway trolley on to a fork in the track...
On the other fork however is a single person...
So you are faced with a simple choice...let 5 people die, or throw a lever and sacrifice one person to save their lives..
What would you do ?..
Would shut me eyes and hope for the best "
Difficult isn`t it ..
Doctors are faced with questions like this |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Wouldnt push him as it may affect the natural order of things, the five people are meant to die and any intervention would cause a ripple in deaths great plan.
If I intervened it could come back to haunt the world
(sounds like a movie plot) |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Wouldnt push him as it may affect the natural order of things, the five people are meant to die and any intervention would cause a ripple in deaths great plan.
If I intervened it could come back to haunt the world
(sounds like a movie plot) "
Another twist...and a credible perspective
Well kinda haha..ghosts ? Oh my lol.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I refer the OP to my previous answers and rest my case!!!!
http://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/45398r
Pah.....so stick that in your fine bone china tea-cup and stir it to the left!!
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I refer the OP to my previous answers and rest my case!!!!
http://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/45398r
Pah.....so stick that in your fine bone china tea-cup and stir it to the left!!
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Ah ..the memories Soxy
Indeed little swirls n the time continium....
Theres a point to the addition of this wholly remarkable and erstwhile frippery..to be revealed..I think...ponders
Impressive searching cupcake |
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There were people who had to make these sort of choices in the Zeebrugge ferry disaster....must have terrible saving a couple of kids but having to let their mother drown as you couldn't carry them all.....
Thank god people had to make instant decisions or having to think too long would have seen more people perish... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ah ..the memories Soxy
Indeed little swirls n the time continium....
Theres a point to the addition of this wholly remarkable and erstwhile frippery..to be revealed..I think...ponders
Impressive searching cupcake "
Eek gads sir,,,, you delight us with your chivalry and whimsy…..
I for one, shall present a elegantly gloved salute in your general direction.... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Some medical students are given the scenario..
Enough medicine for a desperately ill man , who`s going to die..he needs it all the medicine..
Then 5 people are admitted..who will survive if given a fifth of the medicine each...
Who is saved ?...
A quandry and a half..not one I would like .. |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
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Difficult isn`t it ..
Doctors are faced with questions like this "
no wonder the nhs is facing financial ruin.
all the doctors are standing, beside fat dude's,on a bridge,watching a trolley car,kill 5 lawbreaking trespassing b*******,grrrrrrrrr.
thanks for bringing this situation to our attention daveshaz.grrrrrrr (again) |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Difficult isn`t it ..
Doctors are faced with questions like this
no wonder the nhs is facing financial ruin.
all the doctors are standing, beside fat dude's,on a bridge,watching a trolley car,kill 5 lawbreaking trespassing b*******,grrrrrrrrr.
thanks for bringing this situation to our attention daveshaz.grrrrrrr (again) "
Its care in the community mucks |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Have you not seen the Final Destination films? They will all die horribly afterwards anyway, so any sacrifice would have been a waste "
Oh..theres a dilemma that deals with that erm contingency...I won`t prevail on yer patience tho ..haha.. |
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"Ah ..the memories Soxy
Indeed little swirls n the time continium....
Theres a point to the addition of this wholly remarkable and erstwhile frippery..to be revealed..I think...ponders
Impressive searching cupcake
Eek gads sir,,,, you delight us with your chivalry and whimsy…..
I for one, shall present a elegantly gloved salute in your general direction.... "
Did yer catch..Elegance and Decadence on Beeb 4 last night Soxy ?
The sublime pleasure of Lucy Worsley...
Waves a cravat..in thy sublunary presence |
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Did yer catch..Elegance and Decadence on Beeb 4 last night Soxy ?
The sublime pleasure of Lucy Worsley...
Waves a cravat..in thy sublunary presence "
Afraid I didn’t,,,,, but on your recommendation, I shall attempt to retrieve it on demand…….
Not that I am a demanding sort you understand!!!… although,,,, come to think of it, a few people have mentioned I’m rather firm …. |
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Did yer catch..Elegance and Decadence on Beeb 4 last night Soxy ?
The sublime pleasure of Lucy Worsley...
Waves a cravat..in thy sublunary presence
Afraid I didn’t,,,,, but on your recommendation, I shall attempt to retrieve it on demand…….
Not that I am a demanding sort you understand!!!… although,,,, come to think of it, a few people have mentioned I’m rather firm …. "
She ...Lucy is enchanting Soxy....tele at its best...
Oh...I`ve a soft centre mucks |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"As Spock off star trex would say the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few
So don't stand next ta me on a bridge xx  "
Yeah Soapy ...fair play...
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Now where`s the delightful subby put my ickle black book....
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Why are 5 people on the track
Don't they know its dangerous?
They are nicking the cabling to sell as scrap... fuck 'um, they deserve to get run over!"
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Are the five people on the run away trolley dressed in grey suits with arrows all over them?
Are the words peedo, rapist, kidnapper, murderer and banker tattooed on their forheads ?
Are they all 99 or over ?
Are they timewasters ?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Ok..heres the deal, as the savvy fuckers will have worked out...
2 scenarios....5 peeps could be saved by sacrificing a person...its kinda greater good shit...
When alot of people were asked, would they throw a lever thereby killing the single peep, and saving the 5 , they mostly had no hesitation...
However, asked if they would push the fucker over a bridge, saving the 5 , most were horrified, and backed away from saving the 5 ..
Tis curious....and still entertains..those it entertains..
Guess, it shows how things can turn, morally on certain things..
So when peeps proclaim....Oh...I would ....you SHOULD....I wonder..
Anyhows..there tis |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Ok, so why not just shout at the five people and say " RUN "
 at HPC's posts.
Oh yeah xx
Oi !! lol....You`ve tried...they`re Mutt n Jeff
Sign language?
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"Are the five people on the run away trolley dressed in grey suits with arrows all over them?
Are the words peedo, rapist, kidnapper, murderer and banker tattooed on their forheads ?
Are they all 99 or over ?
Are they timewasters ?
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You think too much |
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I would frisk the fat man to find his secret pie stash and throw both of our pies at the blissfully ignorant dimwits standing around on the track. When they look up to see who has struck the back of their head with a Gregg’s steak bake, I would be able to draw their attention to the runaway trolley car and avert the potential disaster…. though a number of them may still make a claim for compensation due to the rail operator’s neglect in maintaining fences and lack of safety inspections resulting in a carriage breaking loose.
So in answer to the greater good dilemma... yes I would sacrifice my cheese and onion pasty for the greater good! |
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"I would frisk the fat man to find his secret pie stash and throw both of our pies at the blissfully ignorant dimwits standing around on the track. When they look up to see who has struck the back of their head with a Gregg’s steak bake, I would be able to draw their attention to the runaway trolley car and avert the potential disaster…. though a number of them may still make a claim for compensation due to the rail operator’s neglect in maintaining fences and lack of safety inspections resulting in a carriage breaking loose.
So in answer to the greater good dilemma... yes I would sacrifice my cheese and onion pasty for the greater good!"
Thats morally wrong....
You stole...and two wrongs ..don`t make a right ..tsk !
You`ve hidden values tho...Greggs eh !!..
And did you derive " pleasure " at hitting the fucker in the back of the head, with yer slightly mushy, cheese frippery..mixed motives munchkin |
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Next to you, a fat man is standing on the very edge of the bridge..
A small nudge and he would fall right onto the track below..
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Oi, fuck off & leave me to my daydreaming |
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