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"This world is s complete and utter mess,we really need to start again with this human race thing "We have done this periodically throughout history and we get it wrong again every single time.. | |||
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"The sound of it is awful. I reckon X2 50 bullet mags from an automatic machine gun. You shouldn't be allowed to own a gun like that, it's of no use whatsoever. Dreadful news to wake up to. A tragic start to the week" . The Americans have taken the opposite stance to gun laws which is give everyone one!. I'm still to be convinced on the policy | |||
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If more people had guns they could defend themselves. How stupid!!  | |||
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"I bet the National Rifle Association will say it's the lack of automatic rifles that leads to this sort if thing ... If more people had guns they could defend themselves. How stupid!! ". Actually Canadians have more guns per capita and less shootings.  | |||
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"The sound of it is awful. I reckon X2 50 bullet mags from an automatic machine gun. You shouldn't be allowed to own a gun like that, it's of no use whatsoever. Dreadful news to wake up to. A tragic start to the week. The Americans have taken the opposite stance to gun laws which is give everyone one!. I'm still to be convinced on the policy" I'm far from an expert but I'm sure it's to do with the right to defend yourself, family and property etc. Like from Indians years ago. Such an outdated thing. From what a witness said just now the shooter was in the hotel 30+ floors up firing down into the crowd below. It's an act of terror regardless of who's committed it | |||
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"This world is s complete and utter mess,we really need to start again with this human race thing "Very much agree. Or at least slow down and take a few steps back Fuzz | |||
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"20+ have passed away sadly, they have shot the guy who is a local. They are looking for a female in connection with this. It's always a he. Regardless of where." . That's because by and large men and women ARE different. | |||
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"I bet the National Rifle Association will say it's the lack of automatic rifles that leads to this sort if thing ... If more people had guns they could defend themselves. How stupid!! "I've always struggled to comprehend this. It's an ingrained American psyche fuelled by the all powerful NRA. To outsiders looking in allowing the public to own such weapons defies all common sense and logic | |||
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"I bet the National Rifle Association will say it's the lack of automatic rifles that leads to this sort if thing ... If more people had guns they could defend themselves. How stupid!!
I've always struggled to comprehend this. It's an ingrained American psyche fuelled by the all powerful NRA. To outsiders looking in allowing the public to own such weapons defies all common sense and logic "Iv'e wasted my time many a time debating the gun law issue with many Americans over the years and like I said a total waste of time, they just don't get it. | |||
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"The sound of it is awful. I reckon X2 50 bullet mags from an automatic machine gun. You shouldn't be allowed to own a gun like that, it's of no use whatsoever. " That’s not true, it’s very useful if you want to quickly kill a lot of people | |||
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"The sound of it is awful. I reckon X2 50 bullet mags from an automatic machine gun. You shouldn't be allowed to own a gun like that, it's of no use whatsoever. Dreadful news to wake up to. A tragic start to the week. The Americans have taken the opposite stance to gun laws which is give everyone one!. I'm still to be convinced on the policy I'm far from an expert but I'm sure it's to do with the right to defend yourself, family and property etc. Like from Indians years ago. Such an outdated thing. From what a witness said just now the shooter was in the hotel 30+ floors up firing down into the crowd below. It's an act of terror regardless of who's committed it " Jizzy you are correct the Americans have cherry picked the part of the second amendment to suit their own needs . If taken properly the need to bear arms is allowed when the local authorities raise a militia to defend the area or town under threat. Also too much money is there to be made by companies so any president of congressman who stands against the companies is committing political suicide. Sad days for this world. | |||
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"It's actually funny - in a perverse and sickening way - to see the Twitter war that's erupted between Piers Morgan and Katie Hopkins in the wake of this attack... Two truly marvellous ambassadors for our country... "well the only redeeming feature piers morgan has is that he is hated by a lot of america for his views on gun control...... katie hopkins has no reddeming features......... | |||
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"a 64 yo lunatic causes carnage. poor people. more fatalities will follow I feel " I hear trump has announced a travel ban for all countries who have a population containing 60 year old plus white men | |||
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"hopkins has no redeeming features........." This tweet from Hopkins REALLY takes the biscuit: "An idea @piersmorgan - speak of the dead & the victims. Not yourself & your incessant anti gun campaign. #LasVegas" (11:54, Oct 2 2017) Err...hang on... Hours after the Westminster Bridge attack, Hopkins MOCKED people for 'speaking of the dead' in the form of candle-lit vigils and public expressions of condolence on Twitter and Facebook, and wasted NO TIME in pushing her 'incessant' Anti-Liberal, Anti-Remain, Anti-Multiculturalism, Anti-Immigration campaign... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4340290/Truth-t-like-says-KATIE-HOPKINS.html | |||
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"Should this man also bear the name terrorist?! Nope he is a american gunman. Bullshit!! " Suppose it depends on whether Paddock was doing it for political aims. Crazy twat or terrorist either way it's a tragedy and my thoughts go out to the people who went out for a night out and then lost their lives or ended up injured. | |||
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"Should this man also bear the name terrorist?! Nope he is a american gunman. Bullshit!! "  | |||
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"awful news..just spent the last couple of days planning a trip via las vegas at easter..somewhere ive always felt is probably one of the safest cities anywhere....very very sad.." I was there in August I have photos on my phone of the place that it happened. I walked outside the hotel. I even saw the concert advertised and was gutted I wasn't there for it. I would have been there if I could.
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"Should this man also bear the name terrorist?! Nope he is a american gunman. Bullshit!! Suppose it depends on whether Paddock was doing it for political aims. Crazy twat or terrorist either way it's a tragedy and my thoughts go out to the people who went out for a night out and then lost their lives or ended up injured." Yes.
Needless to say it has opened up the gun law debate again.
I've always been under the impression that full automatic (basically machine guns) were already illegal in the US. Semi automatic assault rifles are legal (but I don't think in every state) however listening to the gunfire on TV the shooter was using a full auto machine gun and by the length of the volley I wouldn't be surprised if it was belt fed rather than magazine. We will see.
I always thought that type of gun was exclusive to the military.
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"Should this man also bear the name terrorist?! Nope he is a american gunman. Bullshit!! Suppose it depends on whether Paddock was doing it for political aims. Crazy twat or terrorist either way it's a tragedy and my thoughts go out to the people who went out for a night out and then lost their lives or ended up injured. Yes.
Needless to say it has opened up the gun law debate again.
I've always been under the impression that full automatic (basically machine guns) were already illegal in the US. Semi automatic assault rifles are legal (but I don't think in every state) however listening to the gunfire on TV the shooter was using a full auto machine gun and by the length of the volley I wouldn't be surprised if it was belt fed rather than magazine. We will see.
I always thought that type of gun was exclusive to the military.
"I was curious about this so just looked it up. Apparently such automatic weapons were banned in 1986 but bizarrely it's still legal to own and sell automatic weapons manufactured before 1986. No doubt the twisted logic of the NRA will use this atrocity to campaign for relaxation of these bans in the name of protecting ones self.... | |||
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"Should this man also bear the name terrorist?! Nope he is a american gunman. Bullshit!! Suppose it depends on whether Paddock was doing it for political aims. Crazy twat or terrorist either way it's a tragedy and my thoughts go out to the people who went out for a night out and then lost their lives or ended up injured. Yes.
Needless to say it has opened up the gun law debate again.
I've always been under the impression that full automatic (basically machine guns) were already illegal in the US. Semi automatic assault rifles are legal (but I don't think in every state) however listening to the gunfire on TV the shooter was using a full auto machine gun and by the length of the volley I wouldn't be surprised if it was belt fed rather than magazine. We will see.
I always thought that type of gun was exclusive to the military.
"common misconception.... automatic weapons are legal IF it was originally owned and registered before 1986.... so if it is an older weapon it is legal for that weapon to have been sold on.... the scary thing listening to local news reports is that he may have had at least 8 weapons of many sorts in that room for the attack..... it won't ignite a gun control arguement because the NRA are too powerful a lobby group and not one republican will dare go up against then... democrats have been lobbying for simple gun control measures for a while... such has limiting the number of guns any one person can have, or limiting the amount of ammo a person can buy..... but if nothing is going to happen after colombine, or virginia tech, or sandy hook... or orlando... then nothing will happen here.... sad but true | |||
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"The sound of it is awful. I reckon X2 50 bullet mags from an automatic machine gun. You shouldn't be allowed to own a gun like that, it's of no use whatsoever. Dreadful news to wake up to. A tragic start to the week. The Americans have taken the opposite stance to gun laws which is give everyone one!. I'm still to be convinced on the policy I'm far from an expert but I'm sure it's to do with the right to defend yourself, family and property etc. Like from Indians years ago. Such an outdated thing. From what a witness said just now the shooter was in the hotel 30+ floors up firing down into the crowd below. It's an act of terror regardless of who's committed it " Not a dig but the 2nd amendment states "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The gun lobby will argue that it is the citizens right to be armed in case of a tyrannical uprising so they can defend themselves,they cite the holocaust as an example in which of the ordinary citizens had been armed they may have been able to prevent the events from happening. I am neither pro nor anti gun but I have watched videos where people carrying legally owned weapons have saved lives and defended themselves from people carrying illegally held weapons. The criminals and terrorists be they foreign or domestic will not pay any heed to gun regulations will they? | |||
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"Apparently the gunman killed himself .... "apparently then knew which room it was because the sheer amount of bullets he was firing set off the smoke alarm in his room.... | |||
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"Not a dig but the 2nd amendment states "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The gun lobby will argue that it is the citizens right to be armed in case of a tyrannical uprising so they can defend themselves" Not a dig, but the 2nd Amendment was written at a time when the concept of a Professional Army was looked upon as a threat to the liberty of a nation's citizens. The preservation of a Citizen Militia was thus regarded as a means by which to prevent the Federal Government from using the Army as a weapon against the individual States. It should also be noted that the 2nd Amendment was also written at a time when there was no professional police force, and where the State Militia and/or Federal Troops were tasked with maintaining law and order. | |||
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"Not a dig but the 2nd amendment states "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The gun lobby will argue that it is the citizens right to be armed in case of a tyrannical uprising so they can defend themselves Not a dig, but the 2nd Amendment was written at a time when the concept of a Professional Army was looked upon as a threat to the liberty of a nation's citizens. The preservation of a Citizen Militia was thus regarded as a means by which to prevent the Federal Government from using the Army as a weapon against the individual States. It should also be noted that the 2nd Amendment was also written at a time when there was no professional police force, and where the State Militia and/or Federal Troops were tasked with maintaining law and order." I neither agree nor disagree with you on this but the 2nd amendment right lobbyists will point to tyrannical happenings a lot more recent than when the constitution was written as a means of justification.Whether we agree or disagree on a personal level the constitution of the United States of America is what it is. Yes amendments can be re amended but in a nation of gun lovers any attempt to remove the right to bear arms in the constitution would either be beaten in the ballot box or at the business end of the weapons in question. | |||
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"Some time ago, a black newspaper columnist made a good point: Given the many cases of American cops shooting unarmed black guys, evidence suggests that young black males are the group with the best case for arming themselves against a tyrannical government. But if you actually suggest this to the gun lobby, suddenly they are not so keen. " They can go to a gun store fill in the forms and legally purchase a gun the same as anyone else so long as they fulfil the criteria. | |||
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"So sad and so easily avoided - just ban guns / or if they have to have them ... you are only allowed to keep it on your property . More needless deaths that should have been avoided " Having a law that states guns must be kept on their property ISNT going to stop the mass shootings. | |||
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"So sad and so easily avoided - just ban guns / or if they have to have them ... you are only allowed to keep it on your property . More needless deaths that should have been avoided " yup that would have stopped the guy who just shot a few hundred people killing at least 50,he would have thought "oh bugger I can't bring my guns from my house to mass murder people" Yup that really would have stopped him. | |||
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"Some time ago, a black newspaper columnist made a good point: Given the many cases of American cops shooting unarmed black guys, evidence suggests that young black males are the group with the best case for arming themselves against a tyrannical government. But if you actually suggest this to the gun lobby, suddenly they are not so keen. " That's actually a separate debate, exceedingly misrepresented factually and jumped on by media to escalate stories. The fact is if mentally ill or insane people decide to commit atrocities they will by whatever means. Having access to military grade weapons systems allows access to far more victims is the sad truth. I disagree with their law but it's theirs. | |||
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"Should this man also bear the name terrorist?! Nope he is a american gunman. Bullshit!! Suppose it depends on whether Paddock was doing it for political aims. Crazy twat or terrorist either way it's a tragedy and my thoughts go out to the people who went out for a night out and then lost their lives or ended up injured. Yes.
Needless to say it has opened up the gun law debate again.
I've always been under the impression that full automatic (basically machine guns) were already illegal in the US. Semi automatic assault rifles are legal (but I don't think in every state) however listening to the gunfire on TV the shooter was using a full auto machine gun and by the length of the volley I wouldn't be surprised if it was belt fed rather than magazine. We will see.
I always thought that type of gun was exclusive to the military.
common misconception....
automatic weapons are legal IF it was originally owned and registered before 1986.... so if it is an older weapon it is legal for that weapon to have been sold on....
the scary thing listening to local news reports is that he may have had at least 8 weapons of many sorts in that room for the attack.....
it won't ignite a gun control arguement because the NRA are too powerful a lobby group and not one republican will dare go up against then...
democrats have been lobbying for simple gun control measures for a while... such has limiting the number of guns any one person can have, or limiting the amount of ammo a person can buy..... but if nothing is going to happen after colombine, or virginia tech, or sandy hook... or orlando... then nothing will happen here....
sad but true
"I've not studied American gun laws in detail but the 1986 rule does surprise me. Then again with America and guns I suppose it shouldn't really.
As an ex (pre Dunblane) gun owner I wouldn't go as far as an outright ban but I think it's time the US really started to think hard about the kind of weapons people should be allowed to own and also the kind of people allowed to own them.
Maybe time the federal government got more involved rather than leaving it to individual states.
I'm also led to believe that Arizona ( the state line is just down the road from Vegas) has the most relaxed gun laws in the country. | |||
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"anyone that thinks that banning guns is the solution ask yourselves this,will the criminals and the guys like this dude that slaughtered a load of people abide by a ban on guns?" Probably not, but by limiting access to these weapons. Making it tougher for these crazies to get their hands on them a will surely help to prevent so many of these atrocities. The fact they can buy these weapons over a counter with no alarm bells ringing to say 'why do they want these automatic weapons' is in my opinion allowing this shit to happen. You don't buy those weapons for self defense - you're not allowed to carry them around with you when you go shopping. | |||
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"anyone that thinks that banning guns is the solution ask yourselves this,will the criminals and the guys like this dude that slaughtered a load of people abide by a ban on guns? Probably not, but by limiting access to these weapons. Making it tougher for these crazies to get their hands on them a will surely help to prevent so many of these atrocities. The fact they can buy these weapons over a counter with no alarm bells ringing to say 'why do they want these automatic weapons' is in my opinion allowing this shit to happen. You don't buy those weapons for self defense - you're not allowed to carry them around with you when you go shopping. " yes, its the whole lackadaisical attitude to weapons we don't get here i think. It's so alien to us. But completely ingrained in some areas more than others there.. i remember standing in the queue for a marriage licence in LV years ago, and the security guy was walking up and down with a shopping trolley collecting up any weapons before we had to walk through a metal detector..it was jaw dropping! | |||
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"anyone that thinks that banning guns is the solution ask yourselves this,will the criminals and the guys like this dude that slaughtered a load of people abide by a ban on guns?" Seems to have worked in Australia, Europe, Japan How many mass shootings they had recently? Zero I think. | |||
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"anyone that thinks that banning guns is the solution ask yourselves this,will the criminals and the guys like this dude that slaughtered a load of people abide by a ban on guns? Seems to have worked in Australia, Europe, Japan How many mass shootings they had recently? Zero I think. " I guess it's a cultural thing. The United States may be English speak in the majority(aside from the large Hispanic population)but that doesn't mean they're just the same culturally as the United Kingdom? I disagree with their approach but it seems were all quick to pass judgement on the USA and everything they do whilst hiding our own countries failings. What's more, all of the active shooter incidents in recent UK history were lawfully held gun owners. This is almost as much about mental health as gun ownership. People can kill without firearms! I've carried firearms for over 30 years but never wanted to outside work, and whilst some may argue it's a hobby, I'm sure you can get another one in order to keep people safe. A sad day for all the victims | |||
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"anyone that thinks that banning guns is the solution ask yourselves this,will the criminals and the guys like this dude that slaughtered a load of people abide by a ban on guns?" Exactly. This is why we don't have laws against things like murder, theft, and r@pe. | |||
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"anyone that thinks that banning guns is the solution ask yourselves this,will the criminals and the guys like this dude that slaughtered a load of people abide by a ban on guns? Seems to have worked in Australia, Europe, Japan How many mass shootings they had recently? Zero I think. " Last time I looked Norway was in Europe. (Brevic) | |||
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"anyone that thinks that banning guns is the solution ask yourselves this,will the criminals and the guys like this dude that slaughtered a load of people abide by a ban on guns? Seems to have worked in Australia, Europe, Japan How many mass shootings they had recently? Zero I think. Last time I looked Norway was in Europe. (Brevic)" | |||
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"anyone that thinks that banning guns is the solution ask yourselves this,will the criminals and the guys like this dude that slaughtered a load of people abide by a ban on guns? Seems to have worked in Australia, Europe, Japan How many mass shootings they had recently? Zero I think. Last time I looked Norway was in Europe. (Brevic)" Correct. That's one. The US have so many | |||
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"anyone that thinks that banning guns is the solution ask yourselves this,will the criminals and the guys like this dude that slaughtered a load of people abide by a ban on guns? Seems to have worked in Australia, Europe, Japan How many mass shootings they had recently? Zero I think. Last time I looked Norway was in Europe. (Brevic) Correct. That's one. The US have so many " And if the report I listened to is correct, the definition of an active shooter in North America is only when there are 4 victims. You dont get to hear about those. | |||
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"Apparently the gunman killed himself ....
apparently then knew which room it was because the sheer amount of bullets he was firing set off the smoke alarm in his room.... "'Sir....sir....you can't smoke in the room, sir....can you please open the door....' | |||
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" I think Americans need to address the normalization of such events. If a terrorist did this its easy to attribute external forces such as isis or religon and extremism.The news media goes into a frenzy and wants to prevent any Muslims getting near america in an attempt to protect its citizens . When its a lone wolf white gunman .There is little appetite to find the route cause and prevent further tragedy . What are the forces driving such a person and impeding the society to react. There is something darker bubbling up in America that isn't mental illness .Its a sickness that pervades their society.Its not the lone gun man at fault for me its the society that created him." Agreed and very well said. | |||
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" I think Americans need to address the normalization of such events. If a terrorist did this its easy to attribute external forces such as isis or religon and extremism.The news media goes into a frenzy and wants to prevent any Muslims getting near america in an attempt to protect its citizens . When its a lone wolf white gunman .There is little appetite to find the route cause and prevent further tragedy . What are the forces driving such a person and impeding the society to react. There is something darker bubbling up in America that isn't mental illness .Its a sickness that pervades their society.Its not the lone gun man at fault for me its the society that created him." | |||
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" I think Americans need to address the normalization of such events. If a terrorist did this its easy to attribute external forces such as isis or religon and extremism.The news media goes into a frenzy and wants to prevent any Muslims getting near america in an attempt to protect its citizens . When its a lone wolf white gunman .There is little appetite to find the route cause and prevent further tragedy . What are the forces driving such a person and impeding the society to react. There is something darker bubbling up in America that isn't mental illness .Its a sickness that pervades their society.Its not the lone gun man at fault for me its the society that created him." But about 50% of US citizens are FOR gun control. It's like Brexit, nearly a 50/50 split. | |||
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" And if the report I listened to is correct, the definition of an active shooter in North America is only when there are 4 victims. You dont get to hear about those. " I was looking into that after reading about all this . Vice had a mass shooting tracker in 2016 one for Europe and one for U.S.A. Sad reading. | |||
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"anyone that thinks that banning guns is the solution ask yourselves this,will the criminals and the guys like this dude that slaughtered a load of people abide by a ban on guns? Probably not, but by limiting access to these weapons. Making it tougher for these crazies to get their hands on them a will surely help to prevent so many of these atrocities. The fact they can buy these weapons over a counter with no alarm bells ringing to say 'why do they want these automatic weapons' is in my opinion allowing this shit to happen. You don't buy those weapons for self defense - you're not allowed to carry them around with you when you go shopping. " Incorrect. Many states issue "concealed carry" licenses which allow individuals to carry weapons discretely whilst going about their daily lives. In some small counties, its actually fully legal, and a common occurrence, to see people openly carrying guns either in holsters (handguns), or slung over their bodies (rifles etc), whilst again going about their daily lives. Perhaps not surprisingly, these areas, its claimed, have a very low gun crime rate, no-one is going to try to pull a gun to mug someone if they risk getting shot in return! | |||
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" I think Americans need to address the normalization of such events. If a terrorist did this its easy to attribute external forces such as isis or religon and extremism.The news media goes into a frenzy and wants to prevent any Muslims getting near america in an attempt to protect its citizens . When its a lone wolf white gunman .There is little appetite to find the route cause and prevent further tragedy . What are the forces driving such a person and impeding the society to react. There is something darker bubbling up in America that isn't mental illness .Its a sickness that pervades their society.Its not the lone gun man at fault for me its the society that created him. But about 50% of US citizens are FOR gun control. It's like Brexit, nearly a 50/50 split. " I don't think the control issue can be addressed until we discover the route cause of why this happens over and over again and why Americans feel the need to be armed with assault rifles. Its a cycle of fear.You see a spike in gun sales after such events.Its like the society is suffering from a form of psychosis that prevents it from reacting. They seem comfortable imposing a travel ban when their citzens are threatened but a ban on assault rifles isnt palatable because they are afraid.Their society is at fault if their citzens live in fear. | |||
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" In some small counties, its actually fully legal, and a common occurrence, to see people openly carrying guns either in holsters (handguns), or slung over their bodies (rifles etc), whilst again going about their daily lives. Perhaps not surprisingly, these areas, its claimed, have a very low gun crime rate, no-one is going to try to pull a gun to mug someone if they risk getting shot in return!" There's the NSA twisted logic right there eh! Let everyone carry a gun in public and nobody will get shot. Somehow I feel safer in Brighton. Maybe it's the lack of guns  | |||
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" I think Americans need to address the normalization of such events. If a terrorist did this its easy to attribute external forces such as isis or religon and extremism.The news media goes into a frenzy and wants to prevent any Muslims getting near america in an attempt to protect its citizens . When its a lone wolf white gunman .There is little appetite to find the route cause and prevent further tragedy . What are the forces driving such a person and impeding the society to react. There is something darker bubbling up in America that isn't mental illness .Its a sickness that pervades their society.Its not the lone gun man at fault for me its the society that created him." . I'd be careful with your words. What has being white got to do with anything?. Besides we don't know why he did this thing yet? He could be a right wing Nazi He could be a left wing fascist He could be a Muslim He could be crazy It's all guess work on your part | |||
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"anyone that thinks that banning guns is the solution ask yourselves this,will the criminals and the guys like this dude that slaughtered a load of people abide by a ban on guns? Probably not, but by limiting access to these weapons. Making it tougher for these crazies to get their hands on them a will surely help to prevent so many of these atrocities. The fact they can buy these weapons over a counter with no alarm bells ringing to say 'why do they want these automatic weapons' is in my opinion allowing this shit to happen. You don't buy those weapons for self defense - you're not allowed to carry them around with you when you go shopping. Incorrect. Many states issue "concealed carry" licenses which allow individuals to carry weapons discretely whilst going about their daily lives. In some small counties, its actually fully legal, and a common occurrence, to see people openly carrying guns either in holsters (handguns), or slung over their bodies (rifles etc), whilst again going about their daily lives. Perhaps not surprisingly, these areas, its claimed, have a very low gun crime rate, no-one is going to try to pull a gun to mug someone if they risk getting shot in return!" I was meaning the automatic rifles that these Americans use in these incidents. Very hard to conceal i'd guys - and for what reason do they need to own these weapons? Is not self defence. These are weapons of aggression. Automatic weapons allow indiscriminate rapid fire into large crowds like this. Absolutely no need to be placed in the hands of a civilian. Another poster said people can kill without guns. Yes they can, but why the fuck make it easy for them to do it? | |||
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"anyone that thinks that banning guns is the solution ask yourselves this,will the criminals and the guys like this dude that slaughtered a load of people abide by a ban on guns? Probably not, but by limiting access to these weapons. Making it tougher for these crazies to get their hands on them a will surely help to prevent so many of these atrocities. The fact they can buy these weapons over a counter with no alarm bells ringing to say 'why do they want these automatic weapons' is in my opinion allowing this shit to happen. You don't buy those weapons for self defense - you're not allowed to carry them around with you when you go shopping. Incorrect. Many states issue "concealed carry" licenses which allow individuals to carry weapons discretely whilst going about their daily lives. In some small counties, its actually fully legal, and a common occurrence, to see people openly carrying guns either in holsters (handguns), or slung over their bodies (rifles etc), whilst again going about their daily lives. Perhaps not surprisingly, these areas, its claimed, have a very low gun crime rate, no-one is going to try to pull a gun to mug someone if they risk getting shot in return! I was meaning the automatic rifles that these Americans use in these incidents. Very hard to conceal i'd guys - and for what reason do they need to own these weapons? Is not self defence. These are weapons of aggression. Automatic weapons allow indiscriminate rapid fire into large crowds like this. Absolutely no need to be placed in the hands of a civilian. Another poster said people can kill without guns. Yes they can, but why the fuck make it easy for them to do it?" Great shout. | |||
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"This is such a sad event. Inevitably it is going to lead to discussions of gun control. It's only natural and I do think these types of things are the right catalyst for such debate. However, as an American (who is strongly in favor of gun control, btw) it's hard to describe how annoying it is to be lectured at by British people who don't really know the legal or cultural realities of gun ownership in the U.S. I think this is why Piers Morgan is so hated by most Americans. Discussions of fact are useful, but this sanctimonious attitude many British people (Europeans in general, really) get about the issue of gun crime in the U.S. is just, I dunno, makes me want to roll my eyes I guess. It's hard to describe. I'm not trying to be insulting. And in general I agree - I wish guns would be heavily regulated in the U.S., but it's the tone that the conversation tends to take here. I think it's more likely to get people's back up than to change anyone's mind. "If it was legal to buy and own guns in the UK our murder rate would be sky high as well. | |||
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" I think Americans need to address the normalization of such events. If a terrorist did this its easy to attribute external forces such as isis or religon and extremism.The news media goes into a frenzy and wants to prevent any Muslims getting near america in an attempt to protect its citizens . When its a lone wolf white gunman .There is little appetite to find the route cause and prevent further tragedy . What are the forces driving such a person and impeding the society to react. There is something darker bubbling up in America that isn't mental illness .Its a sickness that pervades their society.Its not the lone gun man at fault for me its the society that created him.. I'd be careful with your words. What has being white got to do with anything?. Besides we don't know why he did this thing yet? He could be a right wing Nazi He could be a left wing fascist He could be a Muslim He could be crazy It's all guess work on your part" I walk the line as you know .  | |||
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"This is such a sad event. Inevitably it is going to lead to discussions of gun control. It's only natural and I do think these types of things are the right catalyst for such debate. However, as an American (who is strongly in favor of gun control, btw) it's hard to describe how annoying it is to be lectured at by British people who don't really know the legal or cultural realities of gun ownership in the U.S. I think this is why Piers Morgan is so hated by most Americans. Discussions of fact are useful, but this sanctimonious attitude many British people (Europeans in general, really) get about the issue of gun crime in the U.S. is just, I dunno, makes me want to roll my eyes I guess. It's hard to describe. I'm not trying to be insulting. And in general I agree - I wish guns would be heavily regulated in the U.S., but it's the tone that the conversation tends to take here. I think it's more likely to get people's back up than to change anyone's mind. " you know what ...i get that.
I can't help but say, that invariably there is an attitude in the U.K. of scoffing at everything in North America.
As I stated earlier, the vast majority of North Americans speak English, but that doesn't mean that our cultures are the same.
There's people randomly walking around brandishing firearms in many countries, but we seem happy to ignore that because it's culturally popular to criticise a world superpower.
Do I believe any country should allow the public to own such weapons? No. But let's not sanctimonious. Our child sexual exploitation record in the U.K. is horrendous...how would we feel if the USA starting lecturing us on it.
Watch the news. There's plenty of people over there opposing what's happened and find the whole incident abhorrent.
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"Sadly every time something happens in the USA there does seem to be a rush to say... Only in America. I can only imagine what the news would have been like if what we saw in Spain happend in the USA?. Lord we'd never have heard the end of it for weeks. "  hey sick-boy when you're not making distasteful jokes you actually debate well!! | |||
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"This is such a sad event. Inevitably it is going to lead to discussions of gun control. It's only natural and I do think these types of things are the right catalyst for such debate. However, as an American (who is strongly in favor of gun control, btw) it's hard to describe how annoying it is to be lectured at by British people who don't really know the legal or cultural realities of gun ownership in the U.S. I think this is why Piers Morgan is so hated by most Americans. Discussions of fact are useful, but this sanctimonious attitude many British people (Europeans in general, really) get about the issue of gun crime in the U.S. is just, I dunno, makes me want to roll my eyes I guess. It's hard to describe. I'm not trying to be insulting. And in general I agree - I wish guns would be heavily regulated in the U.S., but it's the tone that the conversation tends to take here. I think it's more likely to get people's back up than to change anyone's mind.
I would agree with you... but having been here a little bit longer than you and having been here for hungerford for example, or dunblane, i can see why british people do get upset about it....
the fact that the uk banned almost everything after dunblane, but nothing in the us changed after sandy hook shows how the countries look at things differently...
Its one of the reasons why i left the US... being a cocky SOB and having a bullet whizz passed my head was enough to set me straight and knew i had to get out...". That's a good point but it wasn't just the British, the Australians also banned lots of weapons after a shooting there. The Norwegians already had strict gun laws but didn't stop brevik and they haven't banned them afterwards, Finland tightened there's after school shootings. . I'm not a big gun fan myself but I have friends who are, I'm happy having tight laws on them and mostly so are they but there's an awful lot who think it's too tight as well | |||
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"Sadly every time something happens in the USA there does seem to be a rush to say... Only in America. I can only imagine what the news would have been like if what we saw in Spain happend in the USA?. Lord we'd never have heard the end of it for weeks. hey sick-boy when you're not making distasteful jokes you actually debate well!!". I lurch between half crazy and utterly bonkers with a very dark sense of humour that's sadly rarely held back due to my lack of morals or hate of humans | |||
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"This is such a sad event. Inevitably it is going to lead to discussions of gun control. It's only natural and I do think these types of things are the right catalyst for such debate. However, as an American (who is strongly in favor of gun control, btw) it's hard to describe how annoying it is to be lectured at by British people who don't really know the legal or cultural realities of gun ownership in the U.S. I think this is why Piers Morgan is so hated by most Americans. Discussions of fact are useful, but this sanctimonious attitude many British people (Europeans in general, really) get about the issue of gun crime in the U.S. is just, I dunno, makes me want to roll my eyes I guess. It's hard to describe. I'm not trying to be insulting. And in general I agree - I wish guns would be heavily regulated in the U.S., but it's the tone that the conversation tends to take here. I think it's more likely to get people's back up than to change anyone's mind.
I would agree with you... but having been here a little bit longer than you and having been here for hungerford for example, or dunblane, i can see why british people do get upset about it....
the fact that the uk banned almost everything after dunblane, but nothing in the us changed after sandy hook shows how the countries look at things differently...
Its one of the reasons why i left the US... being a cocky SOB and having a bullet whizz passed my head was enough to set me straight and knew i had to get out..."America needs to have a good look at its self.The normalization of this level of violence within in its society needs to be acknowledged.Something is seriously fucked ip. | |||
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"Interesting comments on radio today. They were talking about the pro gun people who come out and say gun's don't kill people...... A statistic. Last year in the us 50 people were shot and killed by children or toddlers who got hold of a gun. Accidental maybe. The fault of the person leaving a loaded gun around, definitely. Ultimately the gun killed them, the children probably thought it was a toy. Last year the NRA donated 30million dollars to trump's campaign. Every one of those people in the crowd could have been armed,it wouldn't have prevented what happened so gun's for self defense is a poor excuse. If they didn't change the law following on from the slaughter of all those children, today's atrocities won't make it happen. My deepest sympathy and condolences to those poor souls taken . and those left to deal with the fallout. Tighter gun control laws will never happen under trump. R.I.P" . It didn't happen under Obama or Clinton either!!. Besides states have powers to control gun laws, Pennsylvania, Hawaii, Illinois, Rhode island all have much tighter gun laws. Are people legally allowed the right to bear arms in those states, sure, you just have to jump through some hoops and permits just like in the UK | |||
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"Interesting comments on radio today. They were talking about the pro gun people who come out and say gun's don't kill people...... A statistic. Last year in the us 50 people were shot and killed by children or toddlers who got hold of a gun. Accidental maybe. The fault of the person leaving a loaded gun around, definitely. Ultimately the gun killed them, the children probably thought it was a toy. Last year the NRA donated 30million dollars to trump's campaign. Every one of those people in the crowd could have been armed,it wouldn't have prevented what happened so gun's for self defense is a poor excuse. If they didn't change the law following on from the slaughter of all those children, today's atrocities won't make it happen. My deepest sympathy and condolences to those poor souls taken . and those left to deal with the fallout. Tighter gun control laws will never happen under trump. R.I.P. It didn't happen under Obama or Clinton either!!. Besides states have powers to control gun laws, Pennsylvania, Hawaii, Illinois, Rhode island all have much tighter gun laws. Are people legally allowed the right to bear arms in those states, sure, you just have to jump through some hoops and permits just like in the UK" This is part of what I mean when I talk about the frustration of not discussing gun control with the legal and culture knowledge of an American. Many non-Americans aren't aware that gun control is a state issue. They also aren't aware that every attempt to impose gun control laws on a federal level have involved serious 10th amendment questions, alongside the 2nd amendment questions. Its much more complicated than just saying America needs to get its act together. Although, America does admittedly need to get its act together... | |||
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" as an American (who is strongly in favor of gun control, btw) Marc, out of curiosity, in America, did you own/carry a gun? If so did you feel safer there, or here in England where guns are uncommon? This is Courtney in the forums, not Marc. I didn't own or carry a gun in the U.S. I'm from NYC, so getting a gun permit is really hard in any case. But I really dislike guns and if it were up to me the second amendment would be read very differently than the Supreme Court currently reads it. In fact, I've long been an advocate of an amendment to nullify the second. Marc on the other hand did have a gun (a few if you count his father's). He believes in strong gun regulations, but doesn't agree with me about nullifying the second amendment. We regularly argue about gun control, and about gun ownership. That's what comes with being liberally-minded people from different parts of the U.S. Both of us find the UK to be a safer place, but that has less to do with guns and more to do with cultural differences that are hard to explain in an online forum. " My apologies, Courtney, Thank you for replying, it's interesting to hear your views as an American in England, as you have lived where guns are a normal part of life, and here where they aren't. It's a perspective we don't see | |||
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" as an American (who is strongly in favor of gun control, btw) Marc, out of curiosity, in America, did you own/carry a gun? If so did you feel safer there, or here in England where guns are uncommon? This is Courtney in the forums, not Marc. I didn't own or carry a gun in the U.S. I'm from NYC, so getting a gun permit is really hard in any case. But I really dislike guns and if it were up to me the second amendment would be read very differently than the Supreme Court currently reads it. In fact, I've long been an advocate of an amendment to nullify the second. Marc on the other hand did have a gun (a few if you count his father's). He believes in strong gun regulations, but doesn't agree with me about nullifying the second amendment. We regularly argue about gun control, and about gun ownership. That's what comes with being liberally-minded people from different parts of the U.S. Both of us find the UK to be a safer place, but that has less to do with guns and more to do with cultural differences that are hard to explain in an online forum. My apologies, Courtney, Thank you for replying, it's interesting to hear your views as an American in England, as you have lived where guns are a normal part of life, and here where they aren't. It's a perspective we don't see" . She hasn't, she was born and raised in New York state which has about as much affiliation as guns as Norfolk.... That's Norfolk UK | |||
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" as an American (who is strongly in favor of gun control, btw) Marc, out of curiosity, in America, did you own/carry a gun? If so did you feel safer there, or here in England where guns are uncommon? This is Courtney in the forums, not Marc. I didn't own or carry a gun in the U.S. I'm from NYC, so getting a gun permit is really hard in any case. But I really dislike guns and if it were up to me the second amendment would be read very differently than the Supreme Court currently reads it. In fact, I've long been an advocate of an amendment to nullify the second. Marc on the other hand did have a gun (a few if you count his father's). He believes in strong gun regulations, but doesn't agree with me about nullifying the second amendment. We regularly argue about gun control, and about gun ownership. That's what comes with being liberally-minded people from different parts of the U.S. Both of us find the UK to be a safer place, but that has less to do with guns and more to do with cultural differences that are hard to explain in an online forum. My apologies, Courtney, Thank you for replying, it's interesting to hear your views as an American in England, as you have lived where guns are a normal part of life, and here where they aren't. It's a perspective we don't see. She hasn't, she was born and raised in New York state which has about as much affiliation as guns as Norfolk.... That's Norfolk UK "Farmers have guns in Norfolk, they don't in Hull. | |||
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" as an American (who is strongly in favor of gun control, btw) Marc, out of curiosity, in America, did you own/carry a gun? If so did you feel safer there, or here in England where guns are uncommon? This is Courtney in the forums, not Marc. I didn't own or carry a gun in the U.S. I'm from NYC, so getting a gun permit is really hard in any case. But I really dislike guns and if it were up to me the second amendment would be read very differently than the Supreme Court currently reads it. In fact, I've long been an advocate of an amendment to nullify the second. Marc on the other hand did have a gun (a few if you count his father's). He believes in strong gun regulations, but doesn't agree with me about nullifying the second amendment. We regularly argue about gun control, and about gun ownership. That's what comes with being liberally-minded people from different parts of the U.S. Both of us find the UK to be a safer place, but that has less to do with guns and more to do with cultural differences that are hard to explain in an online forum. My apologies, Courtney, Thank you for replying, it's interesting to hear your views as an American in England, as you have lived where guns are a normal part of life, and here where they aren't. It's a perspective we don't see. She hasn't, she was born and raised in New York state which has about as much affiliation as guns as Norfolk.... That's Norfolk UK "This is a slight overstatement, but the sentiment is true. | |||
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"This is such a sad event. Inevitably it is going to lead to discussions of gun control. It's only natural and I do think these types of things are the right catalyst for such debate. However, as an American (who is strongly in favor of gun control, btw) it's hard to describe how annoying it is to be lectured at by British people who don't really know the legal or cultural realities of gun ownership in the U.S. I think this is why Piers Morgan is so hated by most Americans. Discussions of fact are useful, but this sanctimonious attitude many British people (Europeans in general, really) get about the issue of gun crime in the U.S. is just, I dunno, makes me want to roll my eyes I guess. It's hard to describe. I'm not trying to be insulting. And in general I agree - I wish guns would be heavily regulated in the U.S., but it's the tone that the conversation tends to take here. I think it's more likely to get people's back up than to change anyone's mind.
I would agree with you... but having been here a little bit longer than you and having been here for hungerford for example, or dunblane, i can see why british people do get upset about it....
the fact that the uk banned almost everything after dunblane, but nothing in the us changed after sandy hook shows how the countries look at things differently...
Its one of the reasons why i left the US... being a cocky SOB and having a bullet whizz passed my head was enough to set me straight and knew i had to get out...
America needs to have a good look at its self.The normalization of this level of violence within in its society needs to be acknowledged.Something is seriously fucked ip."that is why i said if nothing ended up getting done after colombine, or after aurora.... or after virginia tech.... or after sandy hook.... or after orlando, then unfortunately nothing will end up being done after this.... | |||
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" In some small counties, its actually fully legal, and a common occurrence, to see people openly carrying guns either in holsters (handguns), or slung over their bodies (rifles etc), whilst again going about their daily lives. Perhaps not surprisingly, these areas, its claimed, have a very low gun crime rate, no-one is going to try to pull a gun to mug someone if they risk getting shot in return! There's the NSA twisted logic right there eh! Let everyone carry a gun in public and nobody will get shot. Somehow I feel safer in Brighton. Maybe it's the lack of guns "I'm not advocating allowing people to own fully automatic weapons etc, but I doubt that tragedies like this will change anything in America any time soon. | |||
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"This is such a sad event. Inevitably it is going to lead to discussions of gun control. It's only natural and I do think these types of things are the right catalyst for such debate. However, as an American (who is strongly in favor of gun control, btw) it's hard to describe how annoying it is to be lectured at by British people who don't really know the legal or cultural realities of gun ownership in the U.S. I think this is why Piers Morgan is so hated by most Americans. Discussions of fact are useful, but this sanctimonious attitude many British people (Europeans in general, really) get about the issue of gun crime in the U.S. is just, I dunno, makes me want to roll my eyes I guess. It's hard to describe. I'm not trying to be insulting. And in general I agree - I wish guns would be heavily regulated in the U.S., but it's the tone that the conversation tends to take here. I think it's more likely to get people's back up than to change anyone's mind.
I would agree with you... but having been here a little bit longer than you and having been here for hungerford for example, or dunblane, i can see why british people do get upset about it....
the fact that the uk banned almost everything after dunblane, but nothing in the us changed after sandy hook shows how the countries look at things differently...
Its one of the reasons why i left the US... being a cocky SOB and having a bullet whizz passed my head was enough to set me straight and knew i had to get out...
America needs to have a good look at its self.The normalization of this level of violence within in its society needs to be acknowledged.Something is seriously fucked ip.
that is why i said if nothing ended up getting done after colombine, or after aurora.... or after virginia tech.... or after sandy hook.... or after orlando, then unfortunately nothing will end up being done after this...."The defensively armed citizen has become, the epitome of patriotism.The USA represent 50% of the worlds armed civilians and they're still stock pileing. | |||
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"Guns don't kill, people do.
But the gun makes the process much easier. That's why Armies issue them.
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This is a slight overstatement, but the sentiment is true. ". It slightly bemusing that alot of people here think every American has fired guns or owned a gun or even seen a gun. If you watch footage on YouTube there's dozens of people wandering around saying is that gun fire?. Nah errr oooo maybe. Most Americans don't even know what a gun shot sounds like let alone owned fired or shot one, which brings me to my point on democracy and gun laws, polls for years have shown that the majority of Americans want tighter gun laws, it rarely happens under any president liberal or not because American politics is the most influenced by money and this is why gun laws don't change in America | |||
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"Some time ago, a black newspaper columnist made a good point: Given the many cases of American cops shooting unarmed black guys, evidence suggests that young black males are the group with the best case for arming themselves against a tyrannical government. But if you actually suggest this to the gun lobby, suddenly they are not so keen. " As a columnist you would think the research would also have revealed the fact that most black people are shot by other black people, even including the police. Of course, that doesn't fit the narrative..... | |||
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"Some time ago, a black newspaper columnist made a good point: Given the many cases of American cops shooting unarmed black guys, evidence suggests that young black males are the group with the best case for arming themselves against a tyrannical government. But if you actually suggest this to the gun lobby, suddenly they are not so keen. As a columnist you would think the research would also have revealed the fact that most black people are shot by other black people, even including the police. Of course, that doesn't fit the narrative....." A completely irrelevant fact. Because there is a problem with black people shooting each other, the fact that the Police display racial bias and are trigger happy is not a problem? These are two separate issues. | |||
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"Some time ago, a black newspaper columnist made a good point: Given the many cases of American cops shooting unarmed black guys, evidence suggests that young black males are the group with the best case for arming themselves against a tyrannical government. But if you actually suggest this to the gun lobby, suddenly they are not so keen. As a columnist you would think the research would also have revealed the fact that most black people are shot by other black people, even including the police. Of course, that doesn't fit the narrative....." That doesn't really disprove the point being made, now does it. | |||
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"Some time ago, a black newspaper columnist made a good point: Given the many cases of American cops shooting unarmed black guys, evidence suggests that young black males are the group with the best case for arming themselves against a tyrannical government. But if you actually suggest this to the gun lobby, suddenly they are not so keen. As a columnist you would think the research would also have revealed the fact that most black people are shot by other black people, even including the police. Of course, that doesn't fit the narrative..... That doesn't really disprove the point being made, now does it." . No it doesn't but the case being made is false, there's been studies by dozens on universities hardly any have found it to be true, there was one only last month by three universities that found no racial bias but guess what???. Your still going to complain there is... Why?. Because it suits your narrative you like, your biased like everybody else. Now there's quite a few studies that show bias in the courts and sentencing, black guys tend to be more punished than white guys and guys tend to be more punished than women!! I doubt you'll be banging on about that either | |||
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"Some time ago, a black newspaper columnist made a good point: Given the many cases of American cops shooting unarmed black guys, evidence suggests that young black males are the group with the best case for arming themselves against a tyrannical government. But if you actually suggest this to the gun lobby, suddenly they are not so keen. As a columnist you would think the research would also have revealed the fact that most black people are shot by other black people, even including the police. Of course, that doesn't fit the narrative..... A completely irrelevant fact. Because there is a problem with black people shooting each other, the fact that the Police display racial bias and are trigger happy is not a problem? These are two separate issues. " . Stop fucking race baiting, show me some evidence that racist white cops are shooting innocent black guys or just stop with this bullshit | |||
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"Guns don't kill, people do.
But the gun makes the process much easier. That's why Armies issue them.
Same with cars. But you have to take a test to drive cars and can be deemed unfit to drive.
You don't need a licence or test for a kitchen knife, and look what happened to Lee Rigby."You miss the point. A fire arm be that a hand gun, rifle ( SLR, Auto) has the ability to fire multiple projectiles to a great range, speed and with minimum physical effort. Along with relatively little skill sets required and the damage the those projectiles produce when they hit a person or object. No other hand held weapon (except a Long or cross Bow ) even comes close to that ability. Which is why a fire arm is so deadly. If there was such a weapon then armies would be using them With a car, knife etc the person has to get within touching distance. A single person can't kill 50+ people with a knife or car at a distance of 300 meters. | |||
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"Guns don't kill, people do.
But the gun makes the process much easier. That's why Armies issue them.
Same with cars. But you have to take a test to drive cars and can be deemed unfit to drive.
You don't need a licence or test for a kitchen knife, and look what happened to Lee Rigby."That's not the debate here. No one is disputing the fact that people can kill without guns. But imaging the outcome of those morons had access to automatic assault rifles! | |||
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"Some time ago, a black newspaper columnist made a good point: Given the many cases of American cops shooting unarmed black guys, evidence suggests that young black males are the group with the best case for arming themselves against a tyrannical government. But if you actually suggest this to the gun lobby, suddenly they are not so keen. As a columnist you would think the research would also have revealed the fact that most black people are shot by other black people, even including the police. Of course, that doesn't fit the narrative..... That doesn't really disprove the point being made, now does it.. No it doesn't but the case being made is false, there's been studies by dozens on universities hardly any have found it to be true, there was one only last month by three universities that found no racial bias but guess what???. Your still going to complain there is... Why?. Because it suits your narrative you like, your biased like everybody else. Now there's quite a few studies that show bias in the courts and sentencing, black guys tend to be more punished than white guys and guys tend to be more punished than women!! I doubt you'll be banging on about that either "This is a seperate issue altogether. I'm talking about figures of who shoots who and you are talking about a n arguably bias legal system. If it's any consolation most white and hispanic people are shot by their own racial group too, whilst the police don't display that bias and will shoot anyone in what they deem to be the right circumstances. As groups, statistically more black people find themselves in confrontation with the police so read into that what you will, a whole other debate but when a black officer shoots a black person it doesn't cause anything like the press reaction that a white officer doing the shooting does. | |||
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"You don't need a licence or test for a kitchen knife, and look what happened to Lee Rigby." Rifles make the killing impersonal, done from a distance a knife requires you to be up close to you victim and therefore see the effect. Yes people will still kill without guns but there would be far less attacks and fewer casualties. | |||
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"This is such a sad event. Inevitably it is going to lead to discussions of gun control. It's only natural and I do think these types of things are the right catalyst for such debate. However, as an American (who is strongly in favor of gun control, btw) it's hard to describe how annoying it is to be lectured at by British people who don't really know the legal or cultural realities of gun ownership in the U.S. I think this is why Piers Morgan is so hated by most Americans. Discussions of fact are useful, but this sanctimonious attitude many British people (Europeans in general, really) get about the issue of gun crime in the U.S. is just, I dunno, makes me want to roll my eyes I guess. It's hard to describe. I'm not trying to be insulting. And in general I agree - I wish guns would be heavily regulated in the U.S., but it's the tone that the conversation tends to take here. I think it's more likely to get people's back up than to change anyone's mind.
If it was legal to buy and own guns in the UK our murder rate would be sky high as well."It is legal to buy and own guns in the UK. | |||
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"There's no legal right to buy a gun in the UK but I can if I want to I just choose not to. There's some major shit I have to jump through to get one like and I have very short attention thingy so yes I'll have cake please "You don't have to submit a reason to have a shotgun, but you do for a rifle, and some other guns. The background checks aren't that stringent and most people would pass them if they applied and wanted to own guns in the UK. | |||
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"You don't need a licence or test for a kitchen knife, and look what happened to Lee Rigby. Rifles make the killing impersonal, done from a distance a knife requires you to be up close to you victim and therefore see the effect. Yes people will still kill without guns but there would be far less attacks and fewer casualties. " So does a bomb or driving through a crowd in a HGV. People will always find a way.. | |||
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"This is such a sad event. Inevitably it is going to lead to discussions of gun control. It's only natural and I do think these types of things are the right catalyst for such debate. However, as an American (who is strongly in favor of gun control, btw) it's hard to describe how annoying it is to be lectured at by British people who don't really know the legal or cultural realities of gun ownership in the U.S. I think this is why Piers Morgan is so hated by most Americans. Discussions of fact are useful, but this sanctimonious attitude many British people (Europeans in general, really) get about the issue of gun crime in the U.S. is just, I dunno, makes me want to roll my eyes I guess. It's hard to describe. I'm not trying to be insulting. And in general I agree - I wish guns would be heavily regulated in the U.S., but it's the tone that the conversation tends to take here. I think it's more likely to get people's back up than to change anyone's mind.
If it was legal to buy and own guns in the UK our murder rate would be sky high as well.
It is legal to buy and own guns in the UK."I was obviously comparing the UK gun law to the US 2nd ammendment. Handguns are completely banned in the UK and you might be able to buy a rifle or shotgun if you go through a whole list of very strict checks and interviews and criminal record and prove that you have a good reason for owning it, how is that the same as the US law? | |||
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"This is such a sad event. Inevitably it is going to lead to discussions of gun control. It's only natural and I do think these types of things are the right catalyst for such debate. However, as an American (who is strongly in favor of gun control, btw) it's hard to describe how annoying it is to be lectured at by British people who don't really know the legal or cultural realities of gun ownership in the U.S. I think this is why Piers Morgan is so hated by most Americans. Discussions of fact are useful, but this sanctimonious attitude many British people (Europeans in general, really) get about the issue of gun crime in the U.S. is just, I dunno, makes me want to roll my eyes I guess. It's hard to describe. I'm not trying to be insulting. And in general I agree - I wish guns would be heavily regulated in the U.S., but it's the tone that the conversation tends to take here. I think it's more likely to get people's back up than to change anyone's mind.
If it was legal to buy and own guns in the UK our murder rate would be sky high as well.
It is legal to buy and own guns in the UK.
I was obviously comparing the UK gun law to the US 2nd ammendment. Handguns are completely banned in the UK and you might be able to buy a rifle or shotgun if you go through a whole list of very strict checks and interviews and criminal record and prove that you have a good reason for owning it, how is that the same as the US law?"We have had 2 major shootings in the UK. After the 2nd one in Dunblane, Scotland we changed our gun laws making it illegal. Since then no more shooting sprees have occurred out with Terrorist Attacks. The sound of that guy firing yesterday was like a belt fed weapon, maybe a LMG Minimi but was some rate of fire. Not heard that much lead being let loose since was in Afghan. RIP and hope the injured heal. | |||
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" Stop fucking race baiting, show me some evidence that racist white cops are shooting innocent black guys or just stop with this bullshit" tamir rice Laquan Mcdonald Eric Garner (although he wasn't shot.. he was C-hoke on video... after saying the words "I can't breathe) I can keep going..... Philando Castile Sandra Bland Freddie Gray want more...... Alton Sterling Walter Scott Akai Gurley oscar grant and all of those are really that contentious... | |||
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" Stop fucking race baiting, show me some evidence that racist white cops are shooting innocent black guys or just stop with this bullshit tamir rice Laquan Mcdonald Eric Garner (although he wasn't shot.. he was C-hoke on video... after saying the words "I can't breathe) I can keep going..... Philando Castile Sandra Bland Freddie Gray want more...... Alton Sterling Walter Scott Akai Gurley oscar grant and all of those are really that contentious... " Some people _abio can't handle the truth. Doesn't fit their narrative | |||
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"Should this man also bear the name terrorist?! Nope he is a american gunman. Bullshit!! Suppose it depends on whether Paddock was doing it for political aims. Crazy twat or terrorist either way it's a tragedy and my thoughts go out to the people who went out for a night out and then lost their lives or ended up injured. Yes.
Needless to say it has opened up the gun law debate again.
I've always been under the impression that full automatic (basically machine guns) were already illegal in the US. Semi automatic assault rifles are legal (but I don't think in every state) however listening to the gunfire on TV the shooter was using a full auto machine gun and by the length of the volley I wouldn't be surprised if it was belt fed rather than magazine. We will see.
I always thought that type of gun was exclusive to the military.
"Fully automatic weapons are legal, it’s just a different process to get them. But of course that means they are in the market and you could get them second hand or illegally without following that process. Nevada - Gun registration not required Background check not required License not required No restriction on assault rifles That means you can literally - literally - but a gun like buying a can of . Just costs more. | |||
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" Stop fucking race baiting, show me some evidence that racist white cops are shooting innocent black guys or just stop with this bullshit tamir rice Laquan Mcdonald Eric Garner (although he wasn't shot.. he was C-hoke on video... after saying the words "I can't breathe) I can keep going..... Philando Castile Sandra Bland Freddie Gray want more...... Alton Sterling Walter Scott Akai Gurley oscar grant and all of those are really that contentious... " . I've never said there aren't police cases of brutality. 180,000 police officers 4.7 million arrests a year, your going to get some it's just the law of odds, however you can also list dozens of white people shot without weapons, in fact there's actually more. It's not evidence of endemic racial brutality. Harvard, Yale, Berkeley, Chicago... Many many universities have studied it and found practically no difference in treatment. The narrative of systemic racist police officers gunning down black people is wrong, or at least I can't find any evidence for it | |||
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" Stop fucking race baiting, show me some evidence that racist white cops are shooting innocent black guys or just stop with this bullshit tamir rice Laquan Mcdonald Eric Garner (although he wasn't shot.. he was C-hoke on video... after saying the words "I can't breathe) I can keep going..... Philando Castile Sandra Bland Freddie Gray want more...... Alton Sterling Walter Scott Akai Gurley oscar grant and all of those are really that contentious... Some people _abio can't handle the truth. Doesn't fit their narrative ". Your the worse type of baiter! Your starting shit your not going to be involved in | |||
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" Stop fucking race baiting, show me some evidence that racist white cops are shooting innocent black guys or just stop with this bullshit tamir rice Laquan Mcdonald Eric Garner (although he wasn't shot.. he was C-hoke on video... after saying the words "I can't breathe) I can keep going..... Philando Castile Sandra Bland Freddie Gray want more...... Alton Sterling Walter Scott Akai Gurley oscar grant and all of those are really that contentious... Some people _abio can't handle the truth. Doesn't fit their narrative .
Your the worse type of baiter!
Your starting shit your not going to be involved in"Yes Yes keep trying to shut down _abio..Which way should we be looking.. | |||
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" Stop fucking race baiting, show me some evidence that racist white cops are shooting innocent black guys or just stop with this bullshit tamir rice Laquan Mcdonald Eric Garner (although he wasn't shot.. he was C-hoke on video... after saying the words "I can't breathe) I can keep going..... Philando Castile Sandra Bland Freddie Gray want more...... Alton Sterling Walter Scott Akai Gurley oscar grant and all of those are really that contentious... Some people _abio can't handle the truth. Doesn't fit their narrative .
Your the worse type of baiter!
Your starting shit your not going to be involved in
Yes Yes keep trying to shut down _abio..Which way should we be looking.. ". How about looking at all the evidence from countless university studies that found no evidence of racial differences in policing shootings | |||
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" Stop fucking race baiting, show me some evidence that racist white cops are shooting innocent black guys or just stop with this bullshit tamir rice Laquan Mcdonald Eric Garner (although he wasn't shot.. he was C-hoke on video... after saying the words "I can't breathe) I can keep going..... Philando Castile Sandra Bland Freddie Gray want more...... Alton Sterling Walter Scott Akai Gurley oscar grant and all of those are really that contentious... Some people _abio can't handle the truth. Doesn't fit their narrative .
Your the worse type of baiter!
Your starting shit your not going to be involved in
Yes Yes keep trying to shut down _abio..Which way should we be looking.. .
How about looking at all the evidence from countless university studies that found no evidence of racial differences in policing shootings"African Americans are incarcerated at more than 5 times the rate of whites. The imprisonment rate for African American women is twice that of white women. Nationwide, African American children represent 32% of children who are arrested, 42% of children who are detained, and 52% of children whose cases are judicially waived to criminal court. Though African Americans and Hispanics make up approximately 32% of the US population, they comprised 56% of all incarcerated people in 2015. If African Americans and Hispanics were incarcerated at the same rates as whites, prison and jail populations would decline by almost 40%. Dam facts | |||
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"How about looking at all the evidence from countless university studies that found no evidence of racial differences in policing shootings" How about you provide links to these 'countless university studies' so that we can actually see where you're getting your evidence from? | |||
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"How about looking at all the evidence from countless university studies that found no evidence of racial differences in policing shootings How about you provide links to these 'countless university studies' so that we can actually see where you're getting your evidence from?" . How about you Google them, there public record and not hard to find | |||
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" Stop fucking race baiting, show me some evidence that racist white cops are shooting innocent black guys or just stop with this bullshit tamir rice Laquan Mcdonald Eric Garner (although he wasn't shot.. he was C-hoke on video... after saying the words "I can't breathe) I can keep going..... Philando Castile Sandra Bland Freddie Gray want more...... Alton Sterling Walter Scott Akai Gurley oscar grant and all of those are really that contentious... Some people _abio can't handle the truth. Doesn't fit their narrative .
Your the worse type of baiter!
Your starting shit your not going to be involved in
Yes Yes keep trying to shut down _abio..Which way should we be looking.. .
How about looking at all the evidence from countless university studies that found no evidence of racial differences in policing shootings
African Americans are incarcerated at more than 5 times the rate of whites.
The imprisonment rate for African American women is twice that of white women.
Nationwide, African American children represent 32% of children who are arrested, 42% of children who are detained, and 52% of children whose cases are judicially waived to criminal court.
Though African Americans and Hispanics make up approximately 32% of the US population, they comprised 56% of all incarcerated people in 2015.
If African Americans and Hispanics were incarcerated at the same rates as whites, prison and jail populations would decline by almost 40%.
Dam facts ". Again read back where I wrote the justice system does show racial bias towards black men but it also shows bias against men in general as well. I think this is something that should and could be worked on better | |||
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" Nevada - Gun registration not required Background check not required License not required No restriction on assault rifles That means you can literally - literally - but a gun like buying a can of . Just costs more. " nevada is a fully "open carry" state... which means you can carry it opening in public with no restrictions... and the irony of it being vegas is that next week there is dues to be one of the biggest gun conventions going on in town.... | |||
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" Stop fucking race baiting, show me some evidence that racist white cops are shooting innocent black guys or just stop with this bullshit tamir rice Laquan Mcdonald Eric Garner (although he wasn't shot.. he was C-hoke on video... after saying the words "I can't breathe) I can keep going..... Philando Castile Sandra Bland Freddie Gray want more...... Alton Sterling Walter Scott Akai Gurley oscar grant and all of those are really that contentious... Some people _abio can't handle the truth. Doesn't fit their narrative .
Your the worse type of baiter!
Your starting shit your not going to be involved in
Yes Yes keep trying to shut down _abio..Which way should we be looking.. .
How about looking at all the evidence from countless university studies that found no evidence of racial differences in policing shootings
African Americans are incarcerated at more than 5 times the rate of whites.
The imprisonment rate for African American women is twice that of white women.
Nationwide, African American children represent 32% of children who are arrested, 42% of children who are detained, and 52% of children whose cases are judicially waived to criminal court.
Though African Americans and Hispanics make up approximately 32% of the US population, they comprised 56% of all incarcerated people in 2015.
If African Americans and Hispanics were incarcerated at the same rates as whites, prison and jail populations would decline by almost 40%.
Dam facts .
Again read back where I wrote the justice system does show racial bias towards black men but it also shows bias against men in general as well.
I think this is something that should and could be worked on better"In 2015 a study found. Fifteen per cent of black people killed were not carrying a weapon at the time, compared to six per cent of whites and 11 per cent of other minority groups. Twenty-four per cent of the black people shot dead were not attacking anyone at the time, compared to 17 per cent of the white people and 31 per cent of non-black people from other ethnic groups. Dr Justin Nix, of Louisville University, said: “Our findings are suggestive of implicit bias – minorities were significantly more likely to have been fatally shot as a result of an apparent threat perception failure by officers.” | |||
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" Stop fucking race baiting, show me some evidence that racist white cops are shooting innocent black guys or just stop with this bullshit tamir rice Laquan Mcdonald Eric Garner (although he wasn't shot.. he was C-hoke on video... after saying the words "I can't breathe) I can keep going..... Philando Castile Sandra Bland Freddie Gray want more...... Alton Sterling Walter Scott Akai Gurley oscar grant and all of those are really that contentious... Some people _abio can't handle the truth. Doesn't fit their narrative .
Your the worse type of baiter!
Your starting shit your not going to be involved in
Yes Yes keep trying to shut down _abio..Which way should we be looking.. .
How about looking at all the evidence from countless university studies that found no evidence of racial differences in policing shootings
African Americans are incarcerated at more than 5 times the rate of whites.
The imprisonment rate for African American women is twice that of white women.
Nationwide, African American children represent 32% of children who are arrested, 42% of children who are detained, and 52% of children whose cases are judicially waived to criminal court.
Though African Americans and Hispanics make up approximately 32% of the US population, they comprised 56% of all incarcerated people in 2015.
If African Americans and Hispanics were incarcerated at the same rates as whites, prison and jail populations would decline by almost 40%.
Dam facts .
Again read back where I wrote the justice system does show racial bias towards black men but it also shows bias against men in general as well.
I think this is something that should and could be worked on better
In 2015 a study found.
Fifteen per cent of black people killed were not carrying a weapon at the time, compared to six per cent of whites and 11 per cent of other minority groups.
Twenty-four per cent of the black people shot dead were not attacking anyone at the time, compared to 17 per cent of the white people and 31 per cent of non-black people from other ethnic groups.
Dr Justin Nix, of Louisville University, said: “Our findings are suggestive of implicit bias – minorities were significantly more likely to have been fatally shot as a result of an apparent threat perception failure by officers.”". Roland Fryer jr from Harvard found after studying all the evidence your more likely to be shot as an unarmed white guy than an unarmed black guy. Low level crime he found lots of racial bias towards black men but not police shootings | |||
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"Canada has shit loads of guns, Switzerland, Norway, France, Brazil, Australia... The US does seem to get the publicity when they occur but occur they do all over" Gun-Related Homicides Per 100,000 Population (left) and Guns Per 100 Residents (right) USA - 3.16 (2014) 112.6 Norway - 0.10 (2012) 31.3 France - 0.12 (2012) 31.2 Canada - 0.38 (Unknown) 30.8 Switzerland - 0.21 (Unknown) 24.45 Australia - 0.16 (2013) 24.1 Brazil - 19.99 (2014) 8 U.K. - 0.06 (2011) 6.6 | |||
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"How about you Google them, there public record and not hard to find "I am well aware that I could Google them; however, I wasn't the one who made the claim. When you make a claim, it is your responsibility to provide supportive evidence. It is NOT the responsibility of your readers to do your fact-checking for you... | |||
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"America the greatest country in the world, so great it makes it easy to obtain military grade weaponry with shit loads of ammunition. Just add one mentally unstable human and you have a disaster." The most powerful country in the world perhaps but the greatest? No bloody way. The social problems and inequality and sheer murder rate should put anyone off. Of course the UK isn't perfect either. | |||
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"So in summary. Most folks, when facing a nutter at 300 metres, would feel safer if he was armed with a banana rather than an automatic assault rifle " Sarah Sanders claims that “today is a day for consoling the survivors and mourning those we lost,” and that it would be "premature to discuss policy when we don't know all the facts"... http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/02/white-house-trump-las-vegas-gun-debate-243371 Fact: the shooter was found to be in possession of enough firearms in his hotel room (23) and home (19) to equip an infantry platoon... Even with the 2nd Amendment, what possible reason does a CIVILIAN have for owning forty-two firearms? | |||
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"Fact: the shooter was found to be in possession of enough firearms in his hotel room (23) and home (19) to equip an infantry platoon... Even with the 2nd Amendment, what possible reason does a CIVILIAN have for owning forty-two firearms? " Obviously if you collect guns - antiques for instance - you might well have that many... However, I doubt very much that the guns seized in this instance were Brown Bess muskets or M1 Garands... | |||
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"Guns don't kill, people do.
But the gun makes the process much easier. That's why Armies issue them.
Same with cars. But you have to take a test to drive cars and can be deemed unfit to drive.
You don't need a licence or test for a kitchen knife, and look what happened to Lee Rigby.
You miss the point.
A fire arm be that a hand gun, rifle ( SLR, Auto) has the ability to fire multiple projectiles to a great range, speed and with minimum physical effort. Along with relatively little skill sets required and the damage the those projectiles produce when they hit a person or object.
No other hand held weapon (except a Long or cross Bow ) even comes close to that ability. Which is why a fire arm is so deadly. If there was such a weapon then armies would be using them
With a car, knife etc the person has to get within touching distance. A single person can't kill 50+ people with a knife or car at a distance of 300 meters. "I think too many are missing the real point. The industrialisation of murder has been a constant theme throughout human history from slingshot to longbow to machine guns eye. Others improvise weapons. I do not support the gun lobby in any way but removing the means to kill just created innovation in new forms of murder. It is not the means that are the problem... This real problem is those who use What ever means to destroy their fellow man or woman or child. Killing on such a scale is not about the method it's about the mind the pschye of those who do so on an indiscriminate basis. And how we find a way to prevent such evil destroying the lives of others. This latest fuckwit will be forgotten as soon as the next atrocity happens... The real point is how do we prevent anyone feeling so disconnected from the world that they ever consider such actions to be acceptable... The real point is the mountain of dead disabled and damaged people every one of these events creates.. I really hope someone has a better answer than just ban the tools used... Otherwise nothing will ever change.. | |||
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"Guns don't kill, people do.
But the gun makes the process much easier. That's why Armies issue them.
Same with cars. But you have to take a test to drive cars and can be deemed unfit to drive.
You don't need a licence or test for a kitchen knife, and look what happened to Lee Rigby.
You miss the point.
A fire arm be that a hand gun, rifle ( SLR, Auto) has the ability to fire multiple projectiles to a great range, speed and with minimum physical effort. Along with relatively little skill sets required and the damage the those projectiles produce when they hit a person or object.
No other hand held weapon (except a Long or cross Bow ) even comes close to that ability. Which is why a fire arm is so deadly. If there was such a weapon then armies would be using them
With a car, knife etc the person has to get within touching distance. A single person can't kill 50+ people with a knife or car at a distance of 300 meters.
I think too many are missing the real point. The industrialisation of murder has been a constant theme throughout human history from slingshot to longbow to machine guns eye.
Others improvise weapons. I do not support the gun lobby in any way but removing the means to kill just created innovation in new forms of murder.
It is not the means that are the problem...
This real problem is those who use What ever means to destroy their fellow man or woman or child.
Killing on such a scale is not about the method it's about the mind the pschye of those who do so on an indiscriminate basis.
And how we find a way to prevent such evil destroying the lives of others.
This latest fuckwit will be forgotten as soon as the next atrocity happens...
The real point is how do we prevent anyone feeling so disconnected from the world that they ever consider such actions to be acceptable...
The real point is the mountain of dead disabled and damaged people every one of these events creates..
I really hope someone has a better answer than just ban the tools used...
Otherwise nothing will ever change.."You're always going to get a murdering psycho go crazy on a killing spree now and then you can't prevent that it will always happen. I think what were saying about banning guns or getting rid of them altogether is to cut down the gun murder rate in the US which is so high. Yesterday 59 people were murdered by a psycho but last year over 15,000 people were murdered by guns in the US. | |||
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"Guns don't kill, people do.
But the gun makes the process much easier. That's why Armies issue them.
Same with cars. But you have to take a test to drive cars and can be deemed unfit to drive.
You don't need a licence or test for a kitchen knife, and look what happened to Lee Rigby.
You miss the point.
A fire arm be that a hand gun, rifle ( SLR, Auto) has the ability to fire multiple projectiles to a great range, speed and with minimum physical effort. Along with relatively little skill sets required and the damage the those projectiles produce when they hit a person or object.
No other hand held weapon (except a Long or cross Bow ) even comes close to that ability. Which is why a fire arm is so deadly. If there was such a weapon then armies would be using them
With a car, knife etc the person has to get within touching distance. A single person can't kill 50+ people with a knife or car at a distance of 300 meters.
I think too many are missing the real point. The industrialisation of murder has been a constant theme throughout human history from slingshot to longbow to machine guns eye.
Others improvise weapons. I do not support the gun lobby in any way but removing the means to kill just created innovation in new forms of murder.
It is not the means that are the problem...
This real problem is those who use What ever means to destroy their fellow man or woman or child.
Killing on such a scale is not about the method it's about the mind the pschye of those who do so on an indiscriminate basis.
And how we find a way to prevent such evil destroying the lives of others.
This latest fuckwit will be forgotten as soon as the next atrocity happens...
The real point is how do we prevent anyone feeling so disconnected from the world that they ever consider such actions to be acceptable...
The real point is the mountain of dead disabled and damaged people every one of these events creates..
I really hope someone has a better answer than just ban the tools used...
Otherwise nothing will ever change..
You're always going to get a murdering psycho go crazy on a killing spree now and then you can't prevent that it will always happen.
I think what were saying about banning guns or getting rid of them altogether is to cut down the gun murder rate in the US which is so high. Yesterday 59 people were murdered by a psycho but last year over 15,000 people were murdered by guns in the US."And 1.5 million killed by guns in the US since 1968.More tham all US wars combined. | |||
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"America the greatest country in the world, so great it makes it easy to obtain military grade weaponry with shit loads of ammunition. Just add one mentally unstable human and you have a disaster. The most powerful country in the world perhaps but the greatest? No bloody way. The social problems and inequality and sheer murder rate should put anyone off. Of course the UK isn't perfect either." I'm speaking seeing it through American eyes . | |||
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"America the greatest country in the world, so great it makes it easy to obtain military grade weaponry with shit loads of ammunition. Just add one mentally unstable human and you have a disaster. The most powerful country in the world perhaps but the greatest? No bloody way. The social problems and inequality and sheer murder rate should put anyone off. Of course the UK isn't perfect either. I'm speaking seeing it through American eyes . " Yeah I know I wasn't have a go or disagreeing with you just making a point how most Americans say or think America is the greatest country in the world! | |||
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"How about you Google them, there public record and not hard to find
I am well aware that I could Google them; however, I wasn't the one who made the claim.
When you make a claim, it is your responsibility to provide supportive evidence.
It is NOT the responsibility of your readers to do your fact-checking for you...". That's a laugh considering I'm replying to somebody who says the reason there's Black's being shot by police officers is because the police are systemically racist!. I mean just look at the statistics for homicides in the US, 52% of them are carried out by black people despite being 13% of the population... Statistics alone can look unflattering and obvious at first glance but they rarely are!. 180,000 police officers 4.6 million arrests 16,000 homicides 280,000 drug arrests 962 people shot and killed by the police 175 were black. Since 2000 ...14,000 people killed by police 2600 were black, disproportionate for 13% of the population but not really when you consider they make up 52% of the homicide rate (disproportionate in poverty, yes) ... If the police were systemically shooting black people for being black there doing a crap job of it. Poverty leads to higher proportions of black people being involved with crime and drugs and how best to solve that problem would be far better than constantly rehashing BLM. The get rich or die trying culture of the late 80s | |||
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"Some time ago, a black newspaper columnist made a good point: Given the many cases of American cops shooting unarmed black guys, evidence suggests that young black males are the group with the best case for arming themselves against a tyrannical government. But if you actually suggest this to the gun lobby, suddenly they are not so keen. As a columnist you would think the research would also have revealed the fact that most black people are shot by other black people, even including the police. Of course, that doesn't fit the narrative..... That doesn't really disprove the point being made, now does it.. No it doesn't but the case being made is false, " I'm going to stop you right there, because you're wrong. If we just count the numbers, then white people will be killed in greater numbers than any minority, and if you're wondering how that can possibly mean you're wrong the clue is in the word minority. Because there are more white people, the number of white people killed will be higher, despite the fact that when you account for population size, that black, American Indian and Alaskan natives are three times more likely to be killed during a police interaction, and Hispanics twice as likely. | |||
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"I can't see what any of this does to help the situation? I'm sure the grieving family members will be much happier with all these statistics. Not! It doesn't matter what colour you are, killing is wrong." If we're judging posts based on their ability to help the situation, then nothing in this, or any other thread, would pass muster. So, with that in mind, what were you hoping to achieve? | |||
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"Actually Canadians have more guns per capita and less shootings." Except they DON'T: USA - 3.16 gun-related homicides per 100,000 population and 112.6 guns per 100 inhabitants (2014) Canada - only 0.38 gun-related homicides per 100,000 population and only 30.8 guns per 100 inhabitants See...FACT-CHECK before you post... | |||
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