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By *aelawMan
over a year ago
Paisley |
Unions are brilliant. Always used to belong to one but when moved and progressed my career I never could establish which one covered my field, always hard. Better when you know a rep where you work etc |
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By *eeBee67Man
over a year ago
Masked and Distant |
Suppose they have, like anything else good and bad points.
Used to be in an engineering union when I was an apprentice.
The union did all it could to prevent the management from sacking a lazy layabout who was late constantly. Still winds me up 30 odd years later. |
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A union is only as good as the people in them, most of the ones I have been in were not that good.
Most of the union reps sounded like they were for you, but when it came to the crunch time they were busy or not that bothered. They took great enjoyment in giving crap to management though. |
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By *eeBee67Man
over a year ago
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"A union is only as good as the people in them, most of the ones I have been in were not that good.
Most of the union reps sounded like they were for you, but when it came to the crunch time they were busy or not that bothered. They took great enjoyment in giving crap to management though."
Thats another thing that I dint like about them, their sole purpose seems to be just to disagree with management. Just like the political system in the UK arrrrghhhh |
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They've achieved wonderful things for workers and corporations integrate them more fully in other countries. Here it seems that some businesses make it more difficult for them and their staff, which is pretty insulting to their employees imo. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They've achieved wonderful things for workers and corporations integrate them more fully in other countries. Here it seems that some businesses make it more difficult for them and their staff, which is pretty insulting to their employees imo. "
this! we would do well do think on what security any of us would have if it weren't for pressure from unions in the past behind a lot of our legal rights at work |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Many years ago I served my time as an apprentice.....
In the succession of becoming a Journeyman I was required to attend a Union meeting where was to receive my indentures ...
All union members were required to pay a political levy from their monthly subs ....
I requested my levy be given to the Tory party .....
They told me they would not recognize my request and refused me my indentures ,...
I told them I would have them in court and the spineless fuckers conceded on the condition they did not take a political levy from me .....  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A union is only as good as the people in them, most of the ones I have been in were not that good.
Most of the union reps sounded like they were for you, but when it came to the crunch time they were busy or not that bothered. They took great enjoyment in giving crap to management though.
Thats another thing that I dint like about them, their sole purpose seems to be just to disagree with management. Just like the political system in the UK arrrrghhhh "
 this. Generally militant individuals making a living out if causing discontent. Exceptions always exist though!! |
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"What’s your view on unions ?
I think they are a must at work but when they have action I see people being interviewed saying how bad they are ?!! Really "
They are really useful if run sensibly by people with a balanced outlook on life looking to maintain workers rights without crippling the company they work for. Sadly though many have power hungry megalomaniacs which sadly many are run by. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I am a big advocate of Unions and Workers rights and they're absolutely fine if they employ reps who know what they're doing and are honest and fair. I worked for local council and they were an absolute f*cking disgrace. Generally the union reps were the laziest f*ckers in their dept who got themselves a shop stewards gig to protect themselves and their mates' jobs.
I threatened to slap at least 2 of them for stirring up shit for no reason and one of them was subsequently suspended (for a non-related expenses fiddle!).
Would never work for a Council again because of the crap I had to put up with. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What’s your view on unions ?
I think they are a must at work but when they have action I see people being interviewed saying how bad they are ?!! Really "
The one im in is good for the workers and supports us. |
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By *hianaWoman
over a year ago
Hereford |
I wish I had been in one. They would have helped in my employment tribunal last week against my ex employer. Won anyway but they lied under oath. Union probably could have helped as have impairments which effects processing n short term memory. |
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"Many years ago I served my time as an apprentice.....
In the succession of becoming a Journeyman I was required to attend a Union meeting where was to receive my indentures ...
All union members were required to pay a political levy from their monthly subs ....
I requested my levy be given to the Tory party .....
They told me they would not recognize my request and refused me my indentures ,...
I told them I would have them in court and the spineless fuckers conceded on the condition they did not take a political levy from me ..... "
Every union member has a right to opt out of paying into the political fund. No member can be required to contribute to it. However where the political fund goes is a matter for the unions decision making process.
Of course there was nothing to stop you opting out and then paying the money to the tory party. |
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Unions are ultimately responsible for the state of the UK economy (along with estate agents)
Certain unions have become all powerful knowing they can hold the country to ransom.
Trades in the train industry (drivers, guards, sparks, track workers) tend to earn 40% more than equivalent trades elsewhere all because the unions know they will get their way by striking... want a inflation busting pay rise, no problem.. don't want redundancies for unnecessary roles.. let's just keep them in employment leeching cash..
That's not the way to build an economy that grows, it stifles it, prevents investment and progression with technology..
Why do we need a gaurd on a platform with a whistle when the same Job can be done more effective by cameras and technology... other countries have used it for years, not us.. Britain is years behind and wastes millions each year that could be better spent elsewhere..
And with economic growth comes new jobs, more jobs.. those that have suffered redundancies find new employment because new business's spring up to support new and emerging technologies..
The country flourishes and everyone becomes better off...
Of course, we could stay as we are and those in the big unions are the only ones becoming better off at everyone else's expense... |
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Successive governments have weakened union powers - and thus respectively of working people - and we're in potentially troubling times, with the likes of this governments attempts at VIII legislative powers, which could result in employment protection being removed at the whim of any government that wanted to. As such I view unions being essential for the wellbeing of the population and business success. Exacerbation of a potentially weak position for workers is likely when increasingly sophisticated technology replaces the jobs of millions of people. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Successive governments have weakened union powers - and thus respectively of working people - and we're in potentially troubling times, with the likes of this governments attempts at VIII legislative powers, which could result in employment protection being removed at the whim of any government that wanted to. As such I view unions being essential for the wellbeing of the population and business success. Exacerbation of a potentially weak position for workers is likely when increasingly sophisticated technology replaces the jobs of millions of people. "
I agree and with the ever increasing amount of zero hour contracts....now is not the time to be trying to put the nail in the coffin of the unions.
Yes there is incompetent and some corrupted people within unions...but you find that in all walks of life.
And as said above now is not the time to shoot yourself in the foot. |
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"Exacerbation of a potentially weak position for workers is likely when increasingly sophisticated technology replaces the jobs of millions of people. "
And for every new product that replaces a person a whole new industry evolves around that product.. service engineers, product support, manufacturing for spares, software engineers, integration teams...
Numerous studies have shown that for every job lost to technology, at least 3 jobs are created in support of that technology... surely that is a good thing? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I have a distrust of unions, my Dad paid into unions all his life, then at the end of his career he really needed them and they turned their back on him, it was awful to see him treated so badly by his employer and union.
I've also read The road to Nab End and felt it put many things work related into perspective.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Exacerbation of a potentially weak position for workers is likely when increasingly sophisticated technology replaces the jobs of millions of people.
And for every new product that replaces a person a whole new industry evolves around that product.. service engineers, product support, manufacturing for spares, software engineers, integration teams...
Numerous studies have shown that for every job lost to technology, at least 3 jobs are created in support of that technology... surely that is a good thing?"
Not necessarily true. As we move ever closer and further into the world of Quantum Computers and Artificial Intelligence there is a huge school of academics who would dispute this statement.
Also as a track worker and union rep the guys I know in equivalent trades work Monday to Friday and maybe a Saturday morning. You try ringing a self employed spark to attend a fault somewhere at 03:00 on a Sunday morning and see what his hourly rate is. I'll bet a pound to a pinch it's more than my colleagues are on. Oh and then there's the national insurance and tax they don't pay through creative accounting unlike my PAYE colleagues. |
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"Unions are ultimately responsible for the state of the UK economy (along with estate agents)
Certain unions have become all powerful knowing they can hold the country to ransom.
Trades in the train industry (drivers, guards, sparks, track workers) tend to earn 40% more than equivalent trades elsewhere all because the unions know they will get their way by striking... want a inflation busting pay rise, no problem.. don't want redundancies for unnecessary roles.. let's just keep them in employment leeching cash..
That's not the way to build an economy that grows, it stifles it, prevents investment and progression with technology..
Why do we need a gaurd on a platform with a whistle when the same Job can be done more effective by cameras and technology... other countries have used it for years, not us.. Britain is years behind and wastes millions each year that could be better spent elsewhere..
And with economic growth comes new jobs, more jobs.. those that have suffered redundancies find new employment because new business's spring up to support new and emerging technologies..
The country flourishes and everyone becomes better off...
Of course, we could stay as we are and those in the big unions are the only ones becoming better off at everyone else's expense... "
Really? Everything wrong on this country is the fault of unions?
Of course the robbing banker's and senior execs and those thriving from pension funds are all doing their best for us all.. Aren't they? I guess you'd have us all back in work houses |
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"Exacerbation of a potentially weak position for workers is likely when increasingly sophisticated technology replaces the jobs of millions of people.
And for every new product that replaces a person a whole new industry evolves around that product.. service engineers, product support, manufacturing for spares, software engineers, integration teams...
Numerous studies have shown that for every job lost to technology, at least 3 jobs are created in support of that technology... surely that is a good thing?"
I see your point as in contradiction of what most experts are predicting for the near future. Not that there won't be new support jobs, as there will. But the scale of jobs lost will be phenomenal and dwarf those created. |
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By *ANDA2Couple
over a year ago
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"Exacerbation of a potentially weak position for workers is likely when increasingly sophisticated technology replaces the jobs of millions of people.
And for every new product that replaces a person a whole new industry evolves around that product.. service engineers, product support, manufacturing for spares, software engineers, integration teams...
Numerous studies have shown that for every job lost to technology, at least 3 jobs are created in support of that technology... surely that is a good thing?
Not necessarily true. As we move ever closer and further into the world of Quantum Computers and Artificial Intelligence there is a huge school of academics who would dispute this statement.
Also as a track worker and union rep the guys I know in equivalent trades work Monday to Friday and maybe a Saturday morning. You try ringing a self employed spark to attend a fault somewhere at 03:00 on a Sunday morning and see what his hourly rate is. I'll bet a pound to a pinch it's more than my colleagues are on. Oh and then there's the national insurance and tax they don't pay through creative accounting unlike my PAYE colleagues. "
Self employed do pay NI but in a different way. They pay the Class 2 NIC. However this does not cover all the benefits of a PAYE NI. Tax is paid on profits made.
After if SE don't pay their 'stamp' is does have repacusions You can and will be hospital operation unless it's brought up to date for one thing.
Self employed is not the bed of roses everyone thinks it is. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We definitely need unions.
For example I will put a whole one in my bolognese sauce.
The GMB rep steve Garlic might be interested in your recipe "
 I have literally spat my coffee across the living room! |
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The unions are not the great power they once were but even today I believe our terms and conditions in work would be worse without them, not as bad as they would like you to think but still worse. Mr x |
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By *andom2chatMan
over a year ago
A Galaxy Far, Far Away & Spain |
I’m FOR unions. My OH works tirelessly (& mostly thanklessly) for the rights of others in the workplace.
It’s not been the Unions who crashed the global economy, or paid themselves bonuses bigger than the employees at the bottom, or...
Anyway, I’m FOR - even though I’m self employed. |
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