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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Whatever it was, its historic and in most legal presidents there is a statute of limitation and it seems he is receiving retrograde punishment as excuse for the FA's inadequacy.....  |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"Whatever it was, its historic and in most legal presidents there is a statute of limitation and it seems he is receiving retrograde punishment as excuse for the FA's inadequacy..... "
I agree and that's where it's wrong, bloody FA! |
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By *ilk_TreMan
over a year ago
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"Whatever it was, its historic and in most legal presidents there is a statute of limitation and it seems he is receiving retrograde punishment as excuse for the FA's inadequacy..... "
From what I hear, he should never have been hired in the first place!
'Boanas, who is married to the former England goalkeeper Pauline Cope-Boanas, said the FA abandoned the criteria it stated were necessary for the job of manager in order to appoint Sampson. “They said the candidate must have a professional licence and international experience but Mark had neither.' - The Guardian 22/09/17 |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Whatever it was, its historic and in most legal presidents there is a statute of limitation and it seems he is receiving retrograde punishment as excuse for the FA's inadequacy.....
From what I hear, he should never have been hired in the first place!
'Boanas, who is married to the former England goalkeeper Pauline Cope-Boanas, said the FA abandoned the criteria it stated were necessary for the job of manager in order to appoint Sampson. “They said the candidate must have a professional licence and international experience but Mark had neither.' - The Guardian 22/09/17"
Yes hindsight is benefit we rarely get to use ....
But like most people I'm only hearing 3rd hand anecdotal claims ....
I'd really like to hear what he has to say himself and to hear the view of the team he built ....  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"if half the stuff that is alledged he did whilst head coach at bristol academy is true, then there is no way he should have been appointed in the first place...."
How much of it is true Fabio ? |
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By *ilk_TreMan
over a year ago
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"Whatever it was, its historic and in most legal presidents there is a statute of limitation and it seems he is receiving retrograde punishment as excuse for the FA's inadequacy.....
From what I hear, he should never have been hired in the first place!
'Boanas, who is married to the former England goalkeeper Pauline Cope-Boanas, said the FA abandoned the criteria it stated were necessary for the job of manager in order to appoint Sampson. “They said the candidate must have a professional licence and international experience but Mark had neither.' - The Guardian 22/09/17
Yes hindsight is benefit we rarely get to use ....
But like most people I'm only hearing 3rd hand anecdotal claims ....
I'd really like to hear what he has to say himself and to hear the view of the team he built .... "
I don't think hindsight applies here. Someone has deliberately bent the rules to give him the job. But this type of thing isn't new for the England setup. The only difference is what's been done in secret has now come to light. The question is, will heads roll or will the good old boys carry on looking after each other? |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"Whatever it was, its historic and in most legal presidents there is a statute of limitation and it seems he is receiving retrograde punishment as excuse for the FA's inadequacy.....
From what I hear, he should never have been hired in the first place!
'Boanas, who is married to the former England goalkeeper Pauline Cope-Boanas, said the FA abandoned the criteria it stated were necessary for the job of manager in order to appoint Sampson. “They said the candidate must have a professional licence and international experience but Mark had neither.' - The Guardian 22/09/17
Yes hindsight is benefit we rarely get to use ....
But like most people I'm only hearing 3rd hand anecdotal claims ....
I'd really like to hear what he has to say himself and to hear the view of the team he built ....
I don't think hindsight applies here. Someone has deliberately bent the rules to give him the job. But this type of thing isn't new for the England setup. The only difference is what's been done in secret has now come to light. The question is, will heads roll or will the good old boys carry on looking after each other?"
Probably the latter  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Living in bristol and being involved in ladies football, mark Sampsons behaviour at bristol academy is the worst kept secret in ladies football. He should never have been hired in the first place his relationships with more than one girl was a safeguarding issue and a mis use of power. Hower I think the whole racism claims refuse to go away and the fa felt he was more hassle than he was worth and were looking for a way out. Yes he was Inapropriate and and should not have been given the job but feel the rasim bandwagon has gone a bit too far. Yes he made comments that were probably ill conceived and without being there it's hard to tell but I don't think the comments were of racist nature just poorly judged banter. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's depends on the situation and how the relationship came about. These were young impressionable girls desperate to make thier way into professional football. The relationships were frequent and short lived had they been less frequent and longer lasting relationships then the situation would not seem as bad. Also he used to accompany the girls on nights out in town and at least one of the relationships took place whilst he was in a relationship with the soon to me mother of his child so no I would not say it's ok. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The last two comments on this thread are nothing short of ridiculous 
Care to elaborate ?"
I do actually. The evidence presented today, and the statement from the FA make it clear that there was evidence of wrong doing on Sampson’s behalf on more than one occasion. As such to say that the racism bandwagon has gone too far strikes me as somewhat daft.
The FA calling the remarks they now accept he made as ‘ill judged attempts at humour’ is even worse .
What concerns me even more is the fact that the recommendation that would have been made had Sampson still been in post at the conclusion of the most recent investigation was attendance at a course on equality and diversity in the work place 
The man clearly has no respect for, or understanding of, boundaries and has no place in a leadership role, or any role that requires trust and understanding |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The last two comments on this thread are nothing short of ridiculous
Care to elaborate ?
I do actually. The evidence presented today, and the statement from the FA make it clear that there was evidence of wrong doing on Sampson’s behalf on more than one occasion. As such to say that the racism bandwagon has gone too far strikes me as somewhat daft.
The FA calling the remarks they now accept he made as ‘ill judged attempts at humour’ is even worse .
What concerns me even more is the fact that the recommendation that would have been made had Sampson still been in post at the conclusion of the most recent investigation was attendance at a course on equality and diversity in the work place
The man clearly has no respect for, or understanding of, boundaries and has no place in a leadership role, or any role that requires trust and understanding"
I agree with your last paragraph however that still does not constitute rasism yes it was a awful comment and not at all considered however at the time I think there was a Ebola out break in her parents country. Had the player been coming from Yorkshire which had also happened to be having the same problems I think he would have made the same comments. Would that then have been racist or discrimination ? It was awful choice of subject Mayer and should not have been said but I stand by my opinion and respect yours it's just a emotive subjective people often disagree on. His comments to the other girl should also be understood in the context and which they were said. They were not just a off the cuff comment they were said in the context of a team talk about bookings. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No proof of racism.
He was shagging a bird in the Bristol team. Just like many women do.
Sounded like a witch hunt. "
More than one bird and at the same time and Whilt another was pregnant. My daughter plays youth ladies football at a high standard and I would be concerned he he was appointed as her coach. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No proof of racism.
He was shagging a bird in the Bristol team. Just like many women do.
Sounded like a witch hunt. "
It was accepted by the investigator that he made comments considered to be ‘discriminatory on the grounds of race’ and also that he treated Aluko ‘less favourably than he would someone not of African descent’ on more than one occasion. Not sure what your definition of a witch hunt is, but the above doesn’t fit my criteria |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The man clearly has no respect for, or understanding of, boundaries and has no place in a leadership role, or any role that requires trust and understanding"
The irony of this comment coming from a man who on his profile is cheating or looking to cheat on his wife is actually very comical on that basis should you not be considered for certain roles ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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""The man clearly has no respect for, or understanding of, boundaries and has no place in a leadership role, or any role that requires trust and understanding"
The irony of this comment coming from a man who on his profile is cheating or looking to cheat on his wife is actually very comical on that basis should you not be considered for certain roles ?"
I’m not sure that cheating in my personal life and being proven to be acting in a discriminatory manner in one role, and abusing a position of power in another in a professional career are in any way comparable.
That said, as my profile clearly notes, I am no longer with my wife and free to do as I chose. |
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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago
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"The last two comments on this thread are nothing short of ridiculous
Care to elaborate ?
I do actually. The evidence presented today, and the statement from the FA make it clear that there was evidence of wrong doing on Sampson’s behalf on more than one occasion. As such to say that the racism bandwagon has gone too far strikes me as somewhat daft.
The FA calling the remarks they now accept he made as ‘ill judged attempts at humour’ is even worse .
What concerns me even more is the fact that the recommendation that would have been made had Sampson still been in post at the conclusion of the most recent investigation was attendance at a course on equality and diversity in the work place
The man clearly has no respect for, or understanding of, boundaries and has no place in a leadership role, or any role that requires trust and understanding"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No proof of racism.
He was shagging a bird in the Bristol team. Just like many women do.
Sounded like a witch hunt.
It was accepted by the investigator that he made comments considered to be ‘discriminatory on the grounds of race’ and also that he treated Aluko ‘less favourably than he would someone not of African descent’ on more than one occasion. Not sure what your definition of a witch hunt is, but the above doesn’t fit my criteria "
Accepted but never proven. Big difference. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Erm wouldn't 'accepted' = proven?!
It looks to me that the FA had hoped they could get rid of him and at the same time some broader issues could then be swept under the carpet.
Their problem is that people are now taking a good look under the carpet, and the floorboards. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Erm wouldn't 'accepted' = proven?!
It looks to me that the FA had hoped they could get rid of him and at the same time some broader issues could then be swept under the carpet.
Their problem is that people are now taking a good look under the carpet, and the floorboards."
Proof means , proven.
They have accepted her ( she could well be telling the truth) version.
Women coaches are left to sleep with players. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Erm wouldn't 'accepted' = proven?!
It looks to me that the FA had hoped they could get rid of him and at the same time some broader issues could then be swept under the carpet.
Their problem is that people are now taking a good look under the carpet, and the floorboards.
Proof means , proven.
They have accepted her ( she could well be telling the truth) version.
Women coaches are left to sleep with players. "
Women coaches or "birds"?
Can you name a comparable female coach who is sleeping with players? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Erm wouldn't 'accepted' = proven?!
It looks to me that the FA had hoped they could get rid of him and at the same time some broader issues could then be swept under the carpet.
Their problem is that people are now taking a good look under the carpet, and the floorboards.
Proof means , proven.
They have accepted her ( she could well be telling the truth) version.
Women coaches are left to sleep with players. "
You are obsessed with this notion of female coaches sleeping with players for some reason. I’m intrigued to know why.
It was felt that her story, as well as that of Drew Spence, could be corroborated after speaking to witnesses that were not part of the intial investigation or the internal review.
The basis of guilt, or burden of proof, in such instances is based on the balance of probabilities and as such the accusations have been ‘proven’ as much as they need to be in a civil matter. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Not proven by proof. Almost eni meni moni mow.
Because he was accused of sleeping with a player like it was almost assault
Meanwhile the birds are at it but the pic brigade won't worry about that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Not proven by proof. Almost eni meni moni mow.
Because he was accused of sleeping with a player like it was almost assault
Meanwhile the birds are at it but the pic brigade won't worry about that. "
Witnesses supporting the statements made isn’t proof enough for you? What would be acceptable ‘proof’ in your eyes? Video? DNA?
Also your comments on female coaches are concerning. Where is your proof |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Not proven by proof. Almost eni meni moni mow.
Because he was accused of sleeping with a player like it was almost assault
Meanwhile the birds are at it but the pic brigade won't worry about that.
Witnesses supporting the statements made isn’t proof enough for you? What would be acceptable ‘proof’ in your eyes? Video? DNA?
Also your comments on female coaches are concerning. Where is your proof "
Witnesses that I know in the game. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Not proven by proof. Almost eni meni moni mow.
Because he was accused of sleeping with a player like it was almost assault
Meanwhile the birds are at it but the pic brigade won't worry about that.
Witnesses supporting the statements made isn’t proof enough for you? What would be acceptable ‘proof’ in your eyes? Video? DNA?
Also your comments on female coaches are concerning. Where is your proof
Witnesses that I know in the game. "
Not proven by proof. Almost eni meni moni mow (do you see how this works?) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Did you also see the girls all run to him during his last game after a goal.
Hardly the reaction of a racist sexist pig leading them. "
Have you seen all the women auditioning for roles in Weinstein/Hollywood movies? Hardly the reaction on an (alleged) rapist within an institutionally sexist/misogynistic industry leading them
Sampson had a rapport with his some of his players, a bit of banter with some (appropriate or otherwise) and extras with others. How you react to someone doesn’t tell me what I need to know about their character |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Not proven by proof. Almost eni meni moni mow.
Because he was accused of sleeping with a player like it was almost assault
Meanwhile the birds are at it but the pic brigade won't worry about that.
Witnesses supporting the statements made isn’t proof enough for you? What would be acceptable ‘proof’ in your eyes? Video? DNA?
Also your comments on female coaches are concerning. Where is your proof
Witnesses that I know in the game. "
More like "witnesses" in your mind while your right hand gets some exercise. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Not proven by proof. Almost eni meni moni mow.
Because he was accused of sleeping with a player like it was almost assault
Meanwhile the birds are at it but the pic brigade won't worry about that.
Witnesses supporting the statements made isn’t proof enough for you? What would be acceptable ‘proof’ in your eyes? Video? DNA?
Also your comments on female coaches are concerning. Where is your proof
Witnesses that I know in the game.
More like "witnesses" in your mind while your right hand gets some exercise."
What are you in about. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No proof of racism.
He was shagging a bird in the Bristol team. Just like many women do.
Sounded like a witch hunt. "
You think this is professional behavior? Racism aside...you think this is the kind of conduct befitting of a coach of a national team? You're fucking overgrown child. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No proof of racism.
He was shagging a bird in the Bristol team. Just like many women do.
Sounded like a witch hunt.
You think this is professional behavior? Racism aside...you think this is the kind of conduct befitting of a coach of a national team? You're fucking overgrown child."
Prick. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Female coaches at it with players ? Are we talking about male or female players ?
We are talking about the women's game. So erm. Female"
Do be honest you clearly don't have the intelligence for a sensible debate so I will leave you to your wanking fantasy !!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Female coaches at it with players ? Are we talking about male or female players ?
We are talking about the women's game. So erm. Female
Do be honest you clearly don't have the intelligence for a sensible debate so I will leave you to your wanking fantasy !!!"
What sort of answer did you want when you asked the question
Male or female. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Female coaches at it with players ? Are we talking about male or female players ?
We are talking about the women's game. So erm. Female
Do be honest you clearly don't have the intelligence for a sensible debate so I will leave you to your wanking fantasy !!!
What sort of answer did you want when you asked the question
Male or female. "
The sarcastic eerm wasn't what I expected as we were talking about a person and the the game in general not specifically the women's game. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Not proven by proof. Almost eni meni moni mow.
Because he was accused of sleeping with a player like it was almost assault
Meanwhile the birds are at it but the pic brigade won't worry about that.
Witnesses supporting the statements made isn’t proof enough for you? What would be acceptable ‘proof’ in your eyes? Video? DNA?
Also your comments on female coaches are concerning. Where is your proof
Witnesses that I know in the game.
More like "witnesses" in your mind while your right hand gets some exercise.
What are you in about. "
It was a polite(ish) way of saying, you're talking out of your arse. |
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