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"Jesus"
He certainly had a meteoric rise to fame didn't he. From a lowly carpenter's son, to revolutionary, to Saviour of the World. Did a bit of magic along the way too. Quite a chap.
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I'd put Julius Ceasar, and Cleopatra in that bracket too. Leonardo Da Vinci also. And Shakespeare. |
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"John Belushi?
I've heard of him. Wasn't he the fat bloke from the Blues Brothers ?
Yep. Died in 1982. Tragic.
Most deaths are..... "
Saddam Hussein? Hitler? Hindley?
Nothing tragic about those scumbags dying at all. You did say MOST though so I'll let you off lol .  |
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"John Belushi?
I've heard of him. Wasn't he the fat bloke from the Blues Brothers ?
Yep. Died in 1982. Tragic.
Most deaths are.....
Saddam Hussein? Hitler? Hindley?
Nothing tragic about those scumbags dying at all. You did say MOST though so I'll let you off lol . "
You can't have Hindley. |
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"John Belushi?
I've heard of him. Wasn't he the fat bloke from the Blues Brothers ?
Yep. Died in 1982. Tragic.
Most deaths are.....
Saddam Hussein? Hitler? Hindley?
Nothing tragic about those scumbags dying at all. You did say MOST though so I'll let you off lol .
You can't have Hindley."
Why not? She's dead.  |
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"Perhaps controversially I’d say Peter Sellers ,, great actor and comedy genius… but seemingly a total twat of a man in real life  "
You're nothing but controversial Soxy
It's NOT called who was thought great but was in a reality a twat...
It's called WHO is greater since their death ...... pffffffft
He sort of does fit tho ...... don't you think. |
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"Well .....yes and let's hope there is no rolling of the stone!
Are you putting her on as greater when she was alive OR as a non tragic death?"
non-tragic death. There is nothing great about that monster at all. |
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"Well .....yes and let's hope there is no rolling of the stone!
Are you putting her on as greater when she was alive OR as a non tragic death?
non-tragic death. There is nothing great about that monster at all."
yeah Yeah .... I didn't mean 'great' as in lovely. I meant 'greater' as in more highly revered. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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You're nothing but controversial Soxy
It's NOT called who was thought great but was in a reality a twat...
It's called WHO is greater since their death ...... pffffffft
He sort of does fit tho ...... don't you think. "
Yes Gwanny... I'd got it,,, I was saying he does seem to be held in higher regard since his death...... even though details of his rather disturbing private life are now more publicly known....
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"Is the jury still out on Elvis...?"
Don't like him, never liked him. Can just about put up with listening to SOME of his music, but his films, yuk gross!!! |
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"Is the jury still out on Elvis...?
Don't like him, never liked him. Can just about put up with listening to SOME of his music, but his films, yuk gross!!!"
I liked him as a kid ,..........
Buddy Holly |
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To be fair to Sellers much of the allegations regarding his personal bad traits came out after his death....and well after he could give his side of the story.
I take half of what I read in books by former friends and relatives of dead stars....halve it again, and then don't believe all of what is left.
Books by those left behind make enormous amounts of money....and is often the subject of much conjecture. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I take half of what I read in books by former friends and relatives of dead stars....halve it again, and then don't believe all of what is left.
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I just curious here,,,So why read them in the first place, ? |
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I take half of what I read in books by former friends and relatives of dead stars....halve it again, and then don't believe all of what is left.
I just curious here,,,So why read them in the first place, ?"
Because I can? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Film stars,Musicians,Artists,in fact everyone with the exception of Jesus (who may or may not be fictional) tend not to be too busy after they're dead
With that in mind how can someone be greater after they're dead? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is the jury still out on Elvis...?
Much revered and loved by his fans during his life....sold multi millions of records while alive, so perhaps a bad example?"
My premis being whether or not he was dead....;-);-) |
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"Film stars,Musicians,Artists,in fact everyone with the exception of Jesus (who may or may not be fictional) tend not to be too busy after they're dead
With that in mind how can someone be greater after they're dead?"
Mabye their accomplishments were so ahead of their contemporaries, and societal nous, that their reputation only grows once, their deeds were recognised..
Science is full of examples.. |
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"Film stars,Musicians,Artists,in fact everyone with the exception of Jesus (who may or may not be fictional) tend not to be too busy after they're dead
With that in mind how can someone be greater after they're dead?"
Well Eva Cassidy is.....no-one wanted to know the woman when she was breathing, she did indeed have a very nice recording voice.....but it took her death for anyone to bother listening to her. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Film stars,Musicians,Artists,in fact everyone with the exception of Jesus (who may or may not be fictional) tend not to be too busy after they're dead
With that in mind how can someone be greater after they're dead?
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Artists (painters, sculptors etc) only gain greater status after they are dead because the value of their work goes up which is purely down to the fact that they are not alive to create anymore. |
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Tra .......they are interchangeable for the sake of this thread.....
I just mean who has prospered in the popularity or myth or feel good in the public eye since their death when they weren't ALL that when alive OR who would have just petered out if they were still alive.....
Just go with the Who'se Greater? it suits here. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Tra .......they are interchangeable for the sake of this thread.....
I just mean who has prospered in the popularity or myth or feel good in the public eye since their death when they weren't ALL that when alive OR who would have just petered out if they were still alive.....
Just go with the Who'se Greater? it suits here."
Ok,,In that case I shall nominate the man who 'invented the twentieth century'..Nikola Tesla. A veritable genius if somewhat insane |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Tra .......they are interchangeable for the sake of this thread.....
I just mean who has prospered in the popularity or myth or feel good in the public eye since their death when they weren't ALL that when alive OR who would have just petered out if they were still alive.....
Just go with the Who'se Greater? it suits here.
Ok,,In that case I shall nominate the man who 'invented the twentieth century'..Nikola Tesla. A veritable genius if somewhat insane"
Famous...then ignored...then fame again...
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By (user no longer on site)
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Hunter Stockton Thompson,,,,
I would say is probably now more revered in death than when alive…… and as new generations readily afford his legend cult status,,,,…… yip…. I’m good with offering up Hunter S Thompson for contention
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Jesus never existed though, so you can't really use him as an example
Tupac is top of my list.
A bold assertion...can yer prove it ?..
Can you? "
Oh...mon ami...answering a question with a question...yer tried I guess lol... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Jesus never existed though.."
I believe he did exist, but he was no more than an inspirational pacifist revolutionary. He was not famous at all at the time of his death and I doubt many would have paid much notice of the event apart from his followers.
If you compare it to today, it's like Joe Bloggs from the next town who said a few good things but never really amounted to much. Would he be given a huge lavish funeral as befitting a visionary leader of his times?
Yet his message may live on after his death and others pick up on it and realise he was someone important - so you create the facts to back it up.
That's who Jesus was, in my opinion. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Jesus never existed though, so you can't really use him as an example
Tupac is top of my list.
A bold assertion...can yer prove it ?..
Can you?
Oh...mon ami...answering a question with a question...yer tried I guess lol..."
Bill Hicks said that creationists say that the World is only 12000 Years old. Then he asked how can they prove the existence of Dinosaur fossils. They said that God put them there to test their faith. God botherers have an answer for everything |
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"Bill Hicks said that creationists say that the World is only 12000 Years old. Then he asked how can they prove the existence of Dinosaur fossils. They said that God put them there to test their faith. God botherers have an answer for everything "
Why would God need to test the faith of his flock when he can simply zap the crap out of them with a giant tripod from a golden cloud in the sky sitting astride a 500 foot unicorn?
If God appeared like that in the sky over our house I'd be thinking, "ok God, you made ya point. I Believe!!" |
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I’d also state a case for the greatness of the much lamented stagecraft and musical legacy left by Freddie Mercury ….
now although he's not my cup of tea,,,
I’d find it hard to argue against, due in no small part to vacuous space left since his death regards anyone being good enough to take away his mantel of being a truly outstanding fronts-man…..
Admittedly there are others who also command great stage presence… but very few reach anywhere near the levels of outstanding preformance's that geezer usually did….
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"I’d also state a case for the greatness of the much lamented stagecraft and musical legacy left by Freddie Mercury ….
now although he's not my cup of tea,,,
I’d find it hard to argue against, due in no small part to vacuous space left since his death regards anyone being good enough to take away his mantel of being a truly outstanding fronts-man…..
Admittedly there are others who also command great stage presence… but very few reach anywhere near the levels of outstanding preformance's that geezer usually did….
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You are disqualified Sox xx You are right .... but he was mega before death and has not become greater...... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Jesus never existed though, so you can't really use him as an example
Tupac is top of my list.
A bold assertion...can yer prove it ?..
Can you?
Oh...mon ami...answering a question with a question...yer tried I guess lol...
Bill Hicks said that creationists say that the World is only 12000 Years old. Then he asked how can they prove the existence of Dinosaur fossils. They said that God put them there to test their faith. God botherers have an answer for everything "
haha yeah, the ceationists are a rum bunch...rationalisations come aplenty..
And then we have the other extreme ..Richard Dawkins...Darwins rottweiller..jackbooted self promotist..
Interesting.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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You are disqualified Sox xx You are right .... but he was mega before death and has not become greater...... "
Ok.... I do concede his performances of late, havn't quite been as great as his live shows....so I bow out of the thread defeated  sigh,,,,,, |
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"Amy Winehouse, Princess Di, Benny Hill are a few who come to mind who were slagged off while they were alive to become 'great' now they are dead."
Oh, I ain`t sure if any of them justify the sobriquet of "great"...
Others might agree with yer tho... |
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"Amy Winehouse, Princess Di, Benny Hill are a few who come to mind who were slagged off while they were alive to become 'great' now they are dead.
Oh, I ain`t sure if any of them justify the sobriquet of "great"...
Others might agree with yer tho..."
Oh,,, I don't know... Benny Hill certainly grated on me |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Amy Winehouse, Princess Di, Benny Hill are a few who come to mind who were slagged off while they were alive to become 'great' now they are dead.
Oh, I ain`t sure if any of them justify the sobriquet of "great"...
Others might agree with yer tho...
Oh,,, I don't know... Benny Hill certainly grated on me "
More of a Dick Emery fella me...  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Amy Winehouse, Princess Di, Benny Hill are a few who come to mind who were slagged off while they were alive to become 'great' now they are dead.
Oh, I ain`t sure if any of them justify the sobriquet of "great"...
Others might agree with yer tho..."
ah sorry, didn't realise the thread was about who you thought was great
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Amy Winehouse, Princess Di, Benny Hill are a few who come to mind who were slagged off while they were alive to become 'great' now they are dead.
Oh, I ain`t sure if any of them justify the sobriquet of "great"...
Others might agree with yer tho...
ah sorry, didn't realise the thread was about who you thought was great
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Fair enough...but Benny Hill ?.. |
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During the 70s he was very popular then was slagged off by the new wave of comedians in the 80s n 90s who thought jokes about periods were much funnier and it was very uncool to like people like Benny Hill and Les Dawson.....nowadays their comedy is much better appreciated by the newer wave of comedians |
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"During the 70s he was very popular then was slagged off by the new wave of comedians in the 80s n 90s who thought jokes about periods were much funnier and it was very uncool to like people like Benny Hill and Les Dawson.....nowadays their comedy is much better appreciated by the newer wave of comedians "
Yeah, I`m aware of his history...bit of a sad end...a recluse in So`ton...not far from where I lived....
Okee doke...I ain`t heard of the homage by the "new wave"... |
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Plato, Elizabeth 1st, Brunel, John lennon, Shakespeare, Thomas Becket to name a few. All highly thought of when alive. All became legendary after their deaths |
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"Amy Winehouse, Princess Di, Benny Hill are a few who come to mind who were slagged off while they were alive to become 'great' now they are dead.
Oh, I ain`t sure if any of them justify the sobriquet of "great"...
Others might agree with yer tho...
ah sorry, didn't realise the thread was about who you thought was great
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It's not. Ignore those two. It's about who is more famous after death ...sort of |
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By *aucy3Couple
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"Curt Cobain A talented man, real shame.
yep,brought to life,a whole new music genre.Thats what I think .... often underrated... (Dont listen to Granny on this occasion;-)"
she talks a lot of sense at times,but if i'm reading this right,you think she's talking piss on this occasion.  |
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By *phroditeWoman
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"Curt Cobain A talented man, real shame.
yep,brought to life,a whole new music genre.Thats what I think .... often underrated... (Dont listen to Granny on this occasion;-)
she talks a lot of sense at times,but if i'm reading this right,you think she's talking piss on this occasion. "
Would not dare to refer to Granny's talk in that way... she d throw a bolt of lightning at my thongs...;-) |
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Bill Hicks was great when alive, hence the documentary recently show us that and how sad it is he is gone.
Eva cassidy was doing her style of music when that style was'nt in fashion, it became good again coincidently when she died. |
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"Jesus never existed though..
I believe he did exist, but he was no more than an inspirational pacifist revolutionary. He was not famous at all at the time of his death and I doubt many would have paid much notice of the event apart from his followers.
If you compare it to today, it's like Joe Bloggs from the next town who said a few good things but never really amounted to much. Would he be given a huge lavish funeral as befitting a visionary leader of his times?
Yet his message may live on after his death and others pick up on it and realise he was someone important - so you create the facts to back it up.
That's who Jesus was, in my opinion."
It takes a devoted Atheist to say "random fluctuations in the space-time continuum" when they stub their toe. |
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"Sherlock Holmes"
Monkey-Miester … My Funkstable Friend….. Did you know?….."Elementary, my dear Watson" is never actually said by Sherlock in any of the sixty Holmes stories written by Conan Doyle….
Now there's a bit of triva for ya !!! |
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"Sherlock Holmes
Monkey-Miester … My Funkstable Friend….. Did you know?….."Elementary, my dear Watson" is never actually said by Sherlock in any of the sixty Holmes stories written by Conan Doyle….
Now there's a bit of triva for ya !!! "
Yes I've ead them all! lol It was just a thing they put in, in the Hollywood Basil Rathbone films of the 20's and 30's. |
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"Sherlock Holmes
Yes I've ead them all! lol It was just a thing they put in, in the Hollywood Basil Rathbone films of the 20's and 30's."
Oiiiiiiiiiiiiiiuuuu,,,,,,,, Well Pardon me all over the place!!!,,,,,, I never had you down for a deviant super sleuth fan ……. My-my you avid time travellers are full of surprises…….
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"Sherlock Holmes
Yes I've ead them all! lol It was just a thing they put in, in the Hollywood Basil Rathbone films of the 20's and 30's.
Oiiiiiiiiiiiiiiuuuu,,,,,,,, Well Pardon me all over the place!!!,,,,,, I never had you down for a deviant super sleuth fan ……. My-my you avid time travellers are full of surprises…….
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"Sherlock Holmes
I have hidden shallows old friend "
Yeah!!!!hmmm, I think perhaps you just like going out wearing very silly hats or perhaps staying in just lounging around dressed in rather fetching smoking jackets puffing on ya pipe... |
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