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Watching an old one and love waiting for the new once since I was a kid
The question is, should James Bond always be a man
I'm a yes but I've no problem with women playing spies etc but I think James Bond holds to many fond memories |
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"Watching an old one and love waiting for the new once since I was a kid
The question is, should James Bond always be a man
I'm a yes but I've no problem with women playing spies etc but I think James Bond holds to many fond memories"
Yes.. James bond should always be a male |
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I agree. James Bond is based on a white male so should be played by a white male.
I don't agree with film makers changing race because someone shouts "discrimination"
Could you imagine a white man playing Blade? |
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"I agree. James Bond is based on a white male so should be played by a white male.
I don't agree with film makers changing race or gender because someone shouts "discrimination"
Could you imagine a white woman playing Blade? "
Fixed that for me |
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"I think it would be great if there was a female bond ...infact a black female bond would be even cooler I'd say someone like Halle berry "
Have you seen her act?  |
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"I think it would be great if there was a female bond ...infact a black female bond would be even cooler I'd say someone like Halle berry
Have you seen her act? "
Yup  |
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"I agree. James Bond is based on a white male so should be played by a white male.
I don't agree with film makers changing race or gender because someone shouts "discrimination"
Could you imagine a white woman playing Blade?
Fixed that for me"
Or worst still a white grandma playing the role of Shaft?  |
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Yes. I couldn't imagine a female playing that role. It's a male role in my opinion. Some roles should be specific to the gender for which they were created. This is one of them. |
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"I agree. James Bond is based on a white male so should be played by a white male.
I don't agree with film makers changing race or gender because someone shouts "discrimination"
Could you imagine a white woman playing Blade?
Fixed that for me
Or worst still a white grandma playing the role of Shaft? "
I'd watch that  |
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"There doesn't seem to be any urge to replace strong female characters with men...just saying (flame suit on)"
I think new powerful women should now be created, rather than replacing the strong male ones. We still have a few though  |
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"There doesn't seem to be any urge to replace strong female characters with men...just saying (flame suit on)
I think new powerful women should now be created, rather than replacing the strong male ones. We still have a few though "
There is plenty of strong female characters in movies. But I'm not aposed to a few more.
Ripley is probably my favourite, absolute bad ass  |
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"There doesn't seem to be any urge to replace strong female characters with men...just saying (flame suit on)
I think new powerful women should now be created, rather than replacing the strong male ones. We still have a few though "
Go for it ms angel |
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James Bond should be James Bond. But wouldn't it be cool, if he meet a female spy, besting him at pretty much everything? And who'd drink diet , no ice! |
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By *amissCouple
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"Watching an old one and love waiting for the new once since I was a kid
The question is, should James Bond always be a man
I'm a yes but I've no problem with women playing spies etc but I think James Bond holds to many fond memories"
I'm an old fashioned girl, it should always be a man.  |
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"I think it would be great if there was a female bond ...infact a black female bond would be even cooler I'd say someone like Halle berry
Have you seen her act?
Yup "
You must be an easily pleased woman! |
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"I fancy the latest Miss Moneypenny
M is a lady.
I don't see why Bond needs to be white or male.
Because that is who bond is. "
Ah I see.
Is he English, Scottish or Irish?
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"I fancy the latest Miss Moneypenny
M is a lady.
I don't see why Bond needs to be white or male.
Because that is who bond is.
Ah I see.
Is he English, Scottish or Irish?
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I believe he is English although he has been played as a English man by British and I think a new Zealand model. |
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"I fancy the latest Miss Moneypenny
M is a lady.
I don't see why Bond needs to be white or male.
Because that is who bond is.
Ah I see.
Is he English, Scottish or Irish?
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His father was Scottish and his mother Swiss. |
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"I was referencing the various nationalities that have already played the role. Not questioning his fictional ancestry."
Oh any as long as white and male... it just wouldn't work otherwise |
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"I was referencing the various nationalities that have already played the role. Not questioning his fictional ancestry.
Oh any as long as white and male... it just wouldn't work otherwise "
I could definitely have seen Idris Elba doing it, but not likely now.
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"I was referencing the various nationalities that have already played the role. Not questioning his fictional ancestry.
Oh any as long as white and male... it just wouldn't work otherwise
I could definitely have seen Idris Elba doing it, but not likely now.
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for me he's a brilliant actor but would have utterly ruined bond. |
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I said think..not fact
That's what you get when you research in the Teeside Collidge of Knollidge....
Shut it you "
Ok! I will shut my aperture!
Did you know aperture is an 8 letter word for orifi.......I'll get my coat |
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"Lazenby - Aussie!
I said think..not fact
That's what you get when you research in the Teeside Collidge of Knollidge....
Shut it you
Ok! I will shut my aperture!
Did you know aperture is an 8 letter word for orifi.......I'll get my coat "
Arsehole....I got it before seeing the question  |
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"Lazenby - Aussie!
I said think..not fact
That's what you get when you research in the Teeside Collidge of Knollidge....
Shut it you
Ok! I will shut my aperture!
Did you know aperture is an 8 letter word for orifi.......I'll get my coat
Arsehole....I got it before seeing the question "
No it's aperture....
You can take the Mistress out of Teeside but you can't...well you know what I mean |
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"Was Miss Moneypenny white? she isn't the main character bond background is very clear who he is.
OK.
Was M a bloke? "
all moveable.. if you read the books its clear bond can only be a white male. He also is misogynistic amongst other things.. And not very politically correct but it's part of his charm. |
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"Lazenby - Aussie!
I said think..not fact
That's what you get when you research in the Teeside Collidge of Knollidge....
Shut it you
Ok! I will shut my aperture!
Did you know aperture is an 8 letter word for orifi.......I'll get my coat
Arsehole....I got it before seeing the question
No it's aperture....
You can take the Mistress out of Teeside but you can't...well you know what I mean"
As I said I didn't see the question...but had you as a arsehole...and a geordie one to boot.  |
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"How would he ruin it?because bond is white and should remain so.
Same as blade is black and would spoil it if the changed it. Or shaft. "
Hear, hear and similarly Bond should be a man. Muscular, good looking and athletic for the ladies while for the men a street fighting stud who always gets a shag. A woman behaving similar would just come across as an aggressive stroppy slapper. |
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"He also is misogynistic amongst other things.. And not very politically correct but it's part of his charm."
Oh. Definitely white then!
Only read one. Don't remember anything about his ethnicity. Also don't remember him being much like Daniel Craig. |
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I am with the majority here, Bond and Moneypenny can never change gender. Bond is always a white hetrosexual male. Also he can't lose. Rest of the cast are flexible.
If you want a woman, or a person of different ethnic background there is room for a story about 006 or any other number. |
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"He also is misogynistic amongst other things.. And not very politically correct but it's part of his charm.
Oh. Definitely white then!
Only read one. Don't remember anything about his ethnicity. Also don't remember him being much like Daniel Craig."
in some of the books it does go into more detail of who he is. To be fair looks wise I think lazenby comes the closest to the original image of bond..
However.. Daniel Craig's bond is the closest I feel to the actual character portrayed in the book. Much darker than the others before him. A tortured soul for sure...
And I'll ignore the other comment as that trait transcends all races |
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"I am with the majority here, Bond and Moneypenny can never change gender. Bond is always a white hetrosexual male. Also he can't lose. Rest of the cast are flexible.
If you want a woman, or a person of different ethnic background there is room for a story about 006 or any other number. "
But it's OK for Moneypenny to change ethnicity (but not sex).
And M to change sex (but not ethnicity).
But Bond has to be an English/Welsh/Scottish/Irish/Aussie white bloke... |
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"Lazenby - Aussie!
I said think..not fact
That's what you get when you research in the Teeside Collidge of Knollidge....
Shut it you
Ok! I will shut my aperture!
Did you know aperture is an 8 letter word for orifi.......I'll get my coat
Arsehole....I got it before seeing the question
No it's aperture....
You can take the Mistress out of Teeside but you can't...well you know what I mean
As I said I didn't see the question...but had you as a arsehole...and a geordie one to boot. "
Its 'an arsehole!' jeez! If you are going to insult me |
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"I am with the majority here, Bond and Moneypenny can never change gender. Bond is always a white hetrosexual male. Also he can't lose. Rest of the cast are flexible.
If you want a woman, or a person of different ethnic background there is room for a story about 006 or any other number.
But it's OK for Moneypenny to change ethnicity (but not sex).
And M to change sex (but not ethnicity).
But Bond has to be an English/Welsh/Scottish/Irish/Aussie white bloke..."
in the books she is a very small character. To the fact she wasn't even given a first name till recently.. so with little or no background its up to the film makers. Where as who bond is. Is very clear. |
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"I am with the majority here, Bond and Moneypenny can never change gender. Bond is always a white hetrosexual male. Also he can't lose. Rest of the cast are flexible.
If you want a woman, or a person of different ethnic background there is room for a story about 006 or any other number.
But it's OK for Moneypenny to change ethnicity (but not sex).
And M to change sex (but not ethnicity).
But Bond has to be an English/Welsh/Scottish/Irish/Aussie white bloke..."
So long as he is NEVER American M can be any gender or ethnicity, as it is a political appointed boss. I prefered Q as an older actor always had slightly mad boffin in mind and the more disparaging of field agents breaking his toys the better. |
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"Some roles should be specific to the gender for which they were created. This is one of them."
Personally, I think that instead of asking 'could a woman play Bond,' we should ask 'could a woman play 007'?
While James Bond is taken to be a specific person - namely, a white English male - 007 is simply the APPOINTMENT which he holds within MI6, and a formal indication of his 'Licence to Kill.'
When Alec Trevelyan was killed in 'Goldeneye,' it is reasonable to assume that another agent was chosen as the new '006'.
Likewise, more recent Bond films have shown incumbent Qs and Ms either retiring or being killed in the line of duty.
Consequently, why not show James Bond retiring from MI6 in light of the injuries sustained during Skyfall and Spectre, and being succeeded by a 'new' 007?
That way, there would be NO LIMIT as to the actor chosen to portray 007 in later movies. |
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During her first encounter with Bond, Dench's M described him as 'a sexist mysogynist dinosaur; a relic of the Cold War.'
By showing the retirement of James Bond and the appointment of a new agent, script-writers would be given an opportunity to reinvent 007 for the 21st century (something which was attempted - very successfully - in 'Skyfall') |
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"I think it would be great if there was a female bond ...infact a black female bond would be even cooler I'd say someone like Halle berry
Have you seen her act?
Yup "
Halle Berry could not be a bond, she was a bond girl.
I think there's only 1 woman with the ability to do the character any justice would be Milla Jovovich. |
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"During her first encounter with Bond, Dench's M described him as 'a sexist mysogynist dinosaur; a relic of the Cold War.'
By showing the retirement of James Bond and the appointment of a new agent, script-writers would be given an opportunity to reinvent 007 for the 21st century (something which was attempted - very successfully - in 'Skyfall')"
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Yeah sounds great but the target audience for James bond is heterosexual men under 40... Given this I suspect the next bond will be a man who shags lots of women... |
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There is plenty of strong female characters in movies. But I'm not aposed to a few more.
Ripley is probably my favourite, absolute bad ass "
All the characters in the original Alien film only had surnames because none of the roles were gender specific.
It was only during casting they decided to make Ripley a woman...
Obviously a stroke of genius...
Bond, I believe should be a white heterosexual male.
He isn't a nice man, he's an un-pc guy who gets the job done no matter what.
If he was changed he wouldn't be Bond, however there is definitely room for a new Bond/Bourne type character writen for actresses not actors... |
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"I agree. James Bond is based on a white male so should be played by a white male.
I don't agree with film makers changing race because someone shouts "discrimination"
Could you imagine a white man playing Blade? "
Totally agree...the character is based on a white male.
Could you imagine the uproar if a white male played Shaft.
Or a high profile female part was changed to aman |
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There is plenty of strong female characters in movies. But I'm not aposed to a few more.
Ripley is probably my favourite, absolute bad ass
All the characters in the original Alien film only had surnames because none of the roles were gender specific.
It was only during casting they decided to make Ripley a woman...
Obviously a stroke of genius...
Bond, I believe should be a white heterosexual male.
He isn't a nice man, he's an un-pc guy who gets the job done no matter what.
If he was changed he wouldn't be Bond, however there is definitely room for a new Bond/Bourne type character writen for actresses not actors..."
The un-pc part is quite a funny part of his character, you can see a big difference in what he says in the 70"s compared to the modern ones.
Hope they don't stop it altogether |
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"During her first encounter with Bond, Dench's M described him as 'a sexist mysogynist dinosaur; a relic of the Cold War.'
By showing the retirement of James Bond and the appointment of a new agent, script-writers would be given an opportunity to reinvent 007 for the 21st century (something which was attempted - very successfully - in 'Skyfall').
Yeah sounds great but the target audience for James bond is heterosexual men under 40... Given this I suspect the next bond will be a man who shags lots of women..."
Judging by your narrative 3/4 of the men on fab could be the next James Bond.....  |
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"During her first encounter with Bond, Dench's M described him as 'a sexist mysogynist dinosaur; a relic of the Cold War.'
By showing the retirement of James Bond and the appointment of a new agent, script-writers would be given an opportunity to reinvent 007 for the 21st century (something which was attempted - very successfully - in 'Skyfall').
Yeah sounds great but the target audience for James bond is heterosexual men under 40... Given this I suspect the next bond will be a man who shags lots of women...
Judging by your narrative 3/4 of the men on fab could be the next James Bond..... "
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Ha, if they were bond would delete his profile 3 minutes into the film declaring it's fucking boring and none of the women have shagged me yet |
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"During her first encounter with Bond, Dench's M described him as 'a sexist mysogynist dinosaur; a relic of the Cold War.'
By showing the retirement of James Bond and the appointment of a new agent, script-writers would be given an opportunity to reinvent 007 for the 21st century (something which was attempted - very successfully - in 'Skyfall').
Yeah sounds great but the target audience for James bond is heterosexual men under 40... Given this I suspect the next bond will be a man who shags lots of women...
Judging by your narrative 3/4 of the men on fab could be the next James Bond..... .
Ha, if they were bond would delete his profile 3 minutes into the film declaring it's fucking boring and none of the women have shagged me yet"
True......Would say most would like to think themselves James Bond but in fact turn out to be Austin Powers......  |
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"During her first encounter with Bond, Dench's M described him as 'a sexist mysogynist dinosaur; a relic of the Cold War.'
By showing the retirement of James Bond and the appointment of a new agent, script-writers would be given an opportunity to reinvent 007 for the 21st century (something which was attempted - very successfully - in 'Skyfall').
Yeah sounds great but the target audience for James bond is heterosexual men under 40... Given this I suspect the next bond will be a man who shags lots of women...
Judging by your narrative 3/4 of the men on fab could be the next James Bond..... .
Ha, if they were bond would delete his profile 3 minutes into the film declaring it's fucking boring and none of the women have shagged me yet
True......Would say most would like to think themselves James Bond but in fact turn out to be Austin Powers...... "
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Bond is about selling a fantasy to heterosexual married men. |
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I don't see why people have to keep changing things just to pacify the PC brigade or the gender equality lot either.
Surely new creations are much better than trying to revamp and change traditional characters?
So lets have some new ones not old ones recycled
Dr who was OK to change because of the nature of the DR as in regenereation but to change a bond sudenly into a female role Nah! it would just not work |
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"I don't see why people have to keep changing things just to pacify the PC brigade or the gender equality lot either.
Surely new creations are much better than trying to revamp and change traditional characters?
So lets have some new ones not old ones recycled
Dr who was OK to change because of the nature of the DR as in regenereation but to change a bond sudenly into a female role Nah! it would just not work "
totally right imho |
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"I think there's only 1 woman with the ability to do the character any justice would be Milla Jovovich.
What about Jeri Ryan?
I can only see her as the emotionless and humourless 7of9."
Watch 'Body of Proof' then... |
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"I don't see why people have to keep changing things just to pacify the PC brigade or the gender equality lot either.
Surely new creations are much better than trying to revamp and change traditional characters?
So lets have some new ones not old ones recycled
Dr who was OK to change because of the nature of the DR as in regenereation but to change a bond sudenly into a female role Nah! it would just not work "
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"I don't see why people have to keep changing things just to pacify the PC brigade or the gender equality lot either."
Oh yes...because innovation in cinema and the evolution of a franchise is simply pandering to 'the PC brigade' and 'the gender equality lot.'
Even in SKYFALL, it was highlighted that Bond - at least as we know him - is a 'Relic'...
When he meets the new Q, they two of them are sitting in front of Turner's painting of The Fighting Temeraire Tugged to Her Last Berth to be a Broken Up, 1838'
HMS Temeraire was one of the last surviving ships from The Battle of Trafalgar (1805), but by 1838, sail-powered wooden warships were being increasingly displaced by steam-powered warships. |
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"I don't see why people have to keep changing things just to pacify the PC brigade or the gender equality lot either.
Oh yes...because innovation in cinema and the evolution of a franchise is simply pandering to 'the PC brigade' and 'the gender equality lot.'
Even in SKYFALL, it was highlighted that Bond - at least as we know him - is a 'Relic'...
When he meets the new Q, they two of them are sitting in front of Turner's painting of The Fighting Temeraire Tugged to Her Last Berth to be a Broken Up, 1838'
HMS Temeraire was one of the last surviving ships from The Battle of Trafalgar (1805), but by 1838, sail-powered wooden warships were being increasingly displaced by steam-powered warships."
He is a relic but that's why it works. By all means have a new franchise but it wouldn't be evolution. Bond should always be played by a white male imho.
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"Yes it should be a man. Political correctness gone mad for people to say it should be a woman.
Bit like saying the Incredible Hulk should be blue."
Err...the Hulk was originally supposed to be grey, not green; the colour change was due to printing problems.
Also, there is a precedent for a female 007:
In 'The World Is Not Enough,' a female 00 agent is seen seated alongside Bond during a briefing.
In the Bond novel 'Devil May Care' - published in 2008 - Scarlett Papava is revealed to be 004.
In the Bond newspaper comic-strip serial 'Fear Face' - published in 1971 - 0013 is a female agent named Briony Thorne.
In the Daily Express Bond serial (1958 to 1983) 007 is occasionally accompanied by a female 00 Agent called Suzi Kew, although her exact number is never revealed. |
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"James Bond shouldn't be changed to Jane Bond any more than Jane Eyre should be changed to James Eyre...
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No one's talking about 'changing' Bond...but why couldn't another agent take over as 007?
After all, Bill Fairbanks was replaced as 002 after being assassinated by Scaramanga (his successor appeared in 'The Living Daylights')
Likewise, the unnamed 004 who was killed in 'The Living Daylights,' was replaced by an unnamed agent who appeared in 'The Facts of Death'...
Alec Trevelyan was not the first 006; another agent with that designation appeared in the novel 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service.'
Several 009 Agents have appeared: one is killed in 'Octopussy,' another is responsible for having shot Renard in 'The World Is Not Enough,' while a third is mentioned in 'Spectre'... |
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The change of characters to reflect different ethnicity or gender is not pandering to the PC brigade. It is the realisation that the paying public is made up of people who are not white heterosexual males. Also because these non white heterosexual males are willing to pay good money to see themselved represented positively on the screen, therefore characters are changed to reflect the audience.
I would say to the people who say Bond has to be a white male, imagine having a daughter or a child of dual heritage or being a black parent. Your child is playing a spy game as Bond in the garden. Tell me you could, in this day and age, walk up to your child and say you can't play Bond because Bond is a white.
In regard to saying can a white man play Shaft or Blade is approaching those films in the wrong perspective. Shaft was created to show in a muddled 1970s way a positive urban black hero. The suave Sidney Poitier being no longer relevant, there was no guarantee of success of Shaft.
Similarly Blade was a gamble in producing a film of a black super hero. Name one black super hero before Blade in film or TV. Shaft and Blade were risky productions there was no guarantee of success. Whereas Bond when made into a film was one of number of white heterosexual spies, but based on a top selling book. Where Bond was different was that for the day it had more sex and sadism. http://www.newstatesman.com/society/2007/02/1958-bond-fleming-girl-sex
I was generally of the view that Bond should be white male, but on reading the reasons on the thread why Bond should be a white male the answer is once again because he is a white male. This to me shows a lack of imagination.
When Sean Connery was cast as Bond he was nothing like the Bond envisaged in the early books in looks and mannerism and Ian Fleming hated the casting. However on seeing Dr No he changed his opinion and his depiction of Bond.
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The question has to be, could a person other than a heterosexual man successfully play a murderous agent? The answer has to be yes.
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"I don't see why people have to keep changing things just to pacify the PC brigade or the gender equality lot either.
Surely new creations are much better than trying to revamp and change traditional characters?
So lets have some new ones not old ones recycled
Dr who was OK to change because of the nature of the DR as in regenereation but to change a bond sudenly into a female role Nah! it would just not work "
I see it less as pacifying the "PC brigade" and more as challenging people who feel threatened by ideas such as non-white people and/or women taking on certain roles.
Anyway, if there were to be a female 006 and a male 009, they could get together for a 0069. |
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"The change of characters to reflect different ethnicity or gender is not pandering to the PC brigade. It is the realisation that the paying public is made up of people who are not white heterosexual males. Also because these non white heterosexual males are willing to pay good money to see themselved represented positively on the screen, therefore characters are changed to reflect the audience.
I would say to the people who say Bond has to be a white male, imagine having a daughter or a child of dual heritage or being a black parent. Your child is playing a spy game as Bond in the garden. Tell me you could, in this day and age, walk up to your child and say you can't play Bond because Bond is a white.
In regard to saying can a white man play Shaft or Blade is approaching those films in the wrong perspective. Shaft was created to show in a muddled 1970s way a positive urban black hero. The suave Sidney Poitier being no longer relevant, there was no guarantee of success of Shaft.
Similarly Blade was a gamble in producing a film of a black super hero. Name one black super hero before Blade in film or TV. Shaft and Blade were risky productions there was no guarantee of success. Whereas Bond when made into a film was one of number of white heterosexual spies, but based on a top selling book. Where Bond was different was that for the day it had more sex and sadism. http://www.newstatesman.com/society/2007/02/1958-bond-fleming-girl-sex
I was generally of the view that Bond should be white male, but on reading the reasons on the thread why Bond should be a white male the answer is once again because he is a white male. This to me shows a lack of imagination.
When Sean Connery was cast as Bond he was nothing like the Bond envisaged in the early books in looks and mannerism and Ian Fleming hated the casting. However on seeing Dr No he changed his opinion and his depiction of Bond.
• http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/66876/Sean-Connery-Snob-Ian-Fleming-didn-t-want-me-to-play-Bond
The question has to be, could a person other than a heterosexual man successfully play a murderous agent? The answer has to be yes.
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"The change of characters to reflect different ethnicity or gender is not pandering to the PC brigade. It is the realisation that the paying public is made up of people who are not white heterosexual males. Also because these non white heterosexual males are willing to pay good money to see themselved represented positively on the screen, therefore characters are changed to reflect the audience.
I would say to the people who say Bond has to be a white male, imagine having a daughter or a child of dual heritage or being a black parent. Your child is playing a spy game as Bond in the garden. Tell me you could, in this day and age, walk up to your child and say you can't play Bond because Bond is a white.
In regard to saying can a white man play Shaft or Blade is approaching those films in the wrong perspective. Shaft was created to show in a muddled 1970s way a positive urban black hero. The suave Sidney Poitier being no longer relevant, there was no guarantee of success of Shaft.
Similarly Blade was a gamble in producing a film of a black super hero. Name one black super hero before Blade in film or TV. Shaft and Blade were risky productions there was no guarantee of success. Whereas Bond when made into a film was one of number of white heterosexual spies, but based on a top selling book. Where Bond was different was that for the day it had more sex and sadism. http://www.newstatesman.com/society/2007/02/1958-bond-fleming-girl-sex
I was generally of the view that Bond should be white male, but on reading the reasons on the thread why Bond should be a white male the answer is once again because he is a white male. This to me shows a lack of imagination.
When Sean Connery was cast as Bond he was nothing like the Bond envisaged in the early books in looks and mannerism and Ian Fleming hated the casting. However on seeing Dr No he changed his opinion and his depiction of Bond.
• http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/66876/Sean-Connery-Snob-Ian-Fleming-didn-t-want-me-to-play-Bond
The question has to be, could a person other than a heterosexual man successfully play a murderous agent? The answer has to be yes.
Boring, get a life, I just wasted a minute reading this waffle."
If that is your reasoned response I really do have a better intellectual and social life than yours. Get over it. |
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Not fond of the idea of a sociopathic heterosexual killer being replaced by a woman.
But would endorse the character of Jesus or Moses being played by any ethnic female lead... after all God has been played by a woman in at least 1 film |
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"Not fond of the idea of a sociopathic heterosexual killer being replaced by a woman.
But would endorse the character of Jesus or Moses being played by any ethnic female lead... after all God has been played by a woman in at least 1 film"
I'm alright with the idea of a womanising woman playing the role though. |
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"Not fond of the idea of a sociopathic heterosexual killer being replaced by a woman.
But would endorse the character of Jesus or Moses being played by any ethnic female lead... after all God has been played by a woman in at least 1 film"
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You are aware that Jesus was a man according to historical text? |
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"Not fond of the idea of a sociopathic heterosexual killer being replaced by a woman.
But would endorse the character of Jesus or Moses being played by any ethnic female lead... after all God has been played by a woman in at least 1 film.
You are aware that Jesus was a man according to historical text?"
Define historical text.
James Bond was a man according to text written in the past. And I think his cold sociopathic character is best portrayed by a man.
Jesus was a man according to text written in the past. But his defining characteristics could be convincingly portrayed by either gender. |
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"Yes it should be a man. Political correctness gone mad for people to say it should be a woman.
Bit like saying the Incredible Hulk should be blue."
The Hulk does come in a large range of colours. Depends on the book or story line.
As I have seen other photos of different colours. |
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"Not fond of the idea of a sociopathic heterosexual killer being replaced by a woman.
But would endorse the character of Jesus or Moses being played by any ethnic female lead... after all God has been played by a woman in at least 1 film.
You are aware that Jesus was a man according to historical text?
Define historical text.
James Bond was a man according to text written in the past. And I think his cold sociopathic character is best portrayed by a man.
Jesus was a man according to text written in the past. But his defining characteristics could be convincingly portrayed by either gender."
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Well it's like you saying your a man on your profile because well your a man!.
I mean sure I bet you could get the chimp from the adverts to play him if you wanted to but it would be pretty fucking pointless |
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"I think it would be great if there was a female bond ...infact a black female bond would be even cooler I'd say someone like Halle berry "
I think it would be better to have a NEW black female super spy character. They could even introduce this new lady to us in the next couple of bond movies. Then they could create a spin off.
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"Pretty much every historian agrees Jesus of Nazareth existed and was a man, his daring do is debatable his race is debatable but his gender ain't."
Well actually there is no evidence of the Roman census that supposedly caused the trip to Bethlehem. Despite many other records of the era and area.
And more importantly there is absolutely zero chance of 3 wise men existing in any one time period ever.
You may have historians and theologians mixed up |
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"Pretty much every historian agrees Jesus of Nazareth existed and was a man, his daring do is debatable his race is debatable but his gender ain't.
Well actually there is no evidence of the Roman census that supposedly caused the trip to Bethlehem. Despite many other records of the era and area.
And more importantly there is absolutely zero chance of 3 wise men existing in any one time period ever.
You may have historians and theologians mixed up "
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That's balderdash .
There's as much historical writing for Jesus of Nazareth as there is for Plato or Socrates, all three are clearly defined as men.
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"You may have historians and theologians mixed up .
That's balderdash .
There's as much historical writing for Jesus of Nazareth as there is for Plato or Socrates, all three are clearly defined as men.
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But Plato and Socrates wrote things themselves, records that exist and can be shown to have existed in their lifetime.
Jesus didn't. Nothing exists until years after the event, despite meticulas record keeping by the Roman empire.
Events that were supposed to be documented and provable just didn't or can't.
There are probably more written records of James bond's adventures anyway, though I have not done a word count... |
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"I agree. James Bond is based on a white male so should be played by a white male.
I don't agree with film makers changing race because someone shouts "discrimination"
Could you imagine a white man playing Blade? "
Like in the Spidey Cartoons of the 90's |
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The character of Bond as played in the early originals with Sean Connery and then finally by Daniel Craig is more faithful to the actual novels.
I get a bit pissed off when the paper character gets changed unrecognisably. Like when the Reacher films made big Tom fill the shoes of a 6 and a half foot mahoosive fella from the novels by Lee Childs. |
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"You may have historians and theologians mixed up .
That's balderdash .
There's as much historical writing for Jesus of Nazareth as there is for Plato or Socrates, all three are clearly defined as men.
But Plato and Socrates wrote things themselves, records that exist and can be shown to have existed in their lifetime.
Jesus didn't. Nothing exists until years after the event, despite meticulas record keeping by the Roman empire.
Events that were supposed to be documented and provable just didn't or can't.
There are probably more written records of James bond's adventures anyway, though I have not done a word count... "
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus.
Scroll down to the historical evidence for Jesus where it states practically no ancient historians doubt the existence of Jesus.
Just like few doubt the existence of Plato or Socrates |
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"Watching an old one and love waiting for the new once since I was a kid
The question is, should James Bond always be a man
I'm a yes but I've no problem with women playing spies etc but I think James Bond holds to many fond memories"
that's a really great question
I love the old bond films they had character
these Daniel Craig ones lack that and I don't want to watch them
Connery and moore were the best
what woman would be best at that ? |
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"You may have historians and theologians mixed up .
That's balderdash .
There's as much historical writing for Jesus of Nazareth as there is for Plato or Socrates, all three are clearly defined as men.
But Plato and Socrates wrote things themselves, records that exist and can be shown to have existed in their lifetime.
Jesus didn't. Nothing exists until years after the event, despite meticulas record keeping by the Roman empire.
Events that were supposed to be documented and provable just didn't or can't.
There are probably more written records of James bond's adventures anyway, though I have not done a word count... .
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus.
Scroll down to the historical evidence for Jesus where it states practically no ancient historians doubt the existence of Jesus.
Just like few doubt the existence of Plato or Socrates"
Yes I do believe that he existed but a of of the other stuff
He was just some bloke who had a belief and manged to get a good following |
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Bond is my guilty pleasure.
But could I see the role played by a woman? Absolutely! That dark, damaged character would be great pulled off by a strong, elegant actor of any sex or colour.
I don't think they will, although I think they'll be looking at a different type of casting following Daniel Craig who's neatly sewn up the brooding masculinity, in my opinion. |
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I just don't see the point of gender swapping iconic characters. If you do that, then it's simply a new character, whatever name you use. I suppose Jane Bond could be presented as the illegitimate offspring of James from one of his many liaisons and she is now following in dad's footsteps, something like that. If they try to turn Lara Croft into Larry Croft, I shall be well pissed off! |
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"Theres no need to go changing Bond from the character created by Ian Fleming, just create new characters.
Charlize Theron in Atomic blonde is a good example."
But Bond in the films is already different to the Bond in Fleming's novels.
I'm not desperate to see a female Bond but if someone had a good concept and script for it, why not? All the previous films will still be there. It doesn't damage anything. |
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If you want an authentic 60's spy who was a strong, orrigional, female with a dark past ..... two words
MODESTY BLAISE
Ran as a comic strip from the 60's to the late 90's or maybe 2000.
Mediterranean beauty karate expert with a witty cockney Thai combat expert in tow. Classic |
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"Theres no need to go changing Bond from the character created by Ian Fleming, just create new characters.
Charlize Theron in Atomic blonde is a good example.
But Bond in the films is already different to the Bond in Fleming's novels.
I'm not desperate to see a female Bond but if someone had a good concept and script for it, why not? All the previous films will still be there. It doesn't damage anything. "
Exactly. I don't really care either. What interests me is why some people can't handle so much as the suggestion. |
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"If you want an authentic 60's spy who was a strong, orrigional, female with a dark past ..... two words
MODESTY BLAISE
Ran as a comic strip from the 60's to the late 90's or maybe 2000.
Mediterranean beauty karate expert with a witty cockney Thai combat expert in tow. Classic "
Good call. Shame about the film! |
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