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"We don't celebrate Christmas at all but we will be spending Yule with our family in Sussex. Quite looking forward to it.  "
The winter solstice is nothing to do with Christmas. It's a Pagan/Wiccan date on the Callander.  |
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"We don't celebrate Christmas at all but we will be spending Yule with our family in Sussex. Quite looking forward to it.
The winter solstice is nothing to do with Christmas. It's a Pagan/Wiccan date on the Callander. "
Really? I've been pagan since i was 19 years old, talk about teaching your grandmother to suck eggs. |
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I could one up and mention my father was an Odinist, but he was also a psychopathic racist and pathologically violent.
Any ways I'm going to the O2 to watch the Nephs. |
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"I could one up and mention my father was an Odinist, but he was also a psychopathic racist and pathologically violent.
Any ways I'm going to the O2 to watch the Nephs. "
You consider that a one up? I'm pagan, my wife is pagan and a coven member, my daughter is pagan, our grandchildren are being raised pagan and my father-in-law is an occultist.
Btw, i love Fields of the Nephilim.  |
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"I could one up and mention my father was an Odinist, but he was also a psychopathic racist and pathologically violent.
Any ways I'm going to the O2 to watch the Nephs.
You consider that a one up? I'm pagan, my wife is pagan and a coven member, my daughter is pagan, our grandchildren are being raised pagan and my father-in-law is an occultist.
Btw, i love Fields of the Nephilim. "
Tickets still available.
And coz you only started at 19 I had Viking shit done at birth.  |
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Spending it in a small cottage in Wales with the ones I love, plenty of wood for the fire and good food and no tv, phones or technology. We are close by to the sea too so plenty of nice long stormy walks together. |
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"Spending it in a small cottage in Wales with the ones I love, plenty of wood for the fire and good food and no tv, phones or technology. We are close by to the sea too so plenty of nice long stormy walks together."
That sounds awesome. It's a great celebration of the sol invictus and the coming lengthening days. It seems to me that this would be a more significant start to the new year than the Gregorian 1st of January. |
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I'm quite fascinated by ancient equinoxial monuments!.
The sphinx faces the rising of the spring sun in Egypt, the great pyramids of Giza are aligned true north, the Mayan and Aztec pyramids are the same, there's one in I think Peru that makes the shadow of a snake during the equinox, Stonehenge, woodhenge, Easter island.... All very fascinating stuff.
Not all pagans but they all had a fascination with astronomy and the earth's place in it  |
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"I'm quite fascinated by ancient equinoxial monuments!.
The sphinx faces the rising of the spring sun in Egypt, the great pyramids of Giza are aligned true north, the Mayan and Aztec pyramids are the same, there's one in I think Peru that makes the shadow of a snake during the equinox, Stonehenge, woodhenge, Easter island.... All very fascinating stuff.
Not all pagans but they all had a fascination with astronomy and the earth's place in it "
By definition they are all pagans. There's many different kinds and it does suggest a common link in only having the motions of the skies to navigate the wheel of the year. |
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"I'm quite fascinated by ancient equinoxial monuments!.
The sphinx faces the rising of the spring sun in Egypt, the great pyramids of Giza are aligned true north, the Mayan and Aztec pyramids are the same, there's one in I think Peru that makes the shadow of a snake during the equinox, Stonehenge, woodhenge, Easter island.... All very fascinating stuff.
Not all pagans but they all had a fascination with astronomy and the earth's place in it
By definition they are all pagans. There's many different kinds and it does suggest a common link in only having the motions of the skies to navigate the wheel of the year. "
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I'm not so sure about ancient history anymore, I used to think we had a good handle on it but the last few years I've changed my opinion  |
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On a side note I'm not sure you could call the Egyptians pagans by definition.
I started reading about gobekli tepe about five years ago and I think now we're missing something from ancient history, I just can't see how we went straight from Hunter gathers to building giant stone astronomically aligned monuments.
I think there's more to history than meets the eye |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"On a side note I'm not sure you could call the Egyptians pagans by definition.
I started reading about gobekli tepe about five years ago and I think now we're missing something from ancient history, I just can't see how we went straight from Hunter gathers to building giant stone astronomically aligned monuments.
I think there's more to history than meets the eye"
I completely agree. Modern usage of the word pagan simply defines it as those that do not follow any of the world's major religions.
Historically it was first used by early Christians in the 4th century to describe those that follow polytheistic or animistic beliefs. Usually this was directed and the peasantry and simply means 'of the land'.
However, as the ancient Romans, Greeks, Egyptians and native Americans, in fact all the peoples that predate Christianity, can be described as polytheistic and animistic i feel that the term fits. |
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"was Hitler the most famous pagan?"
I don't think that simply rejecting Christian beliefs makes one a pagan, so no.
I'd say it's probably Gerald Gardner. |
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"was Hitler the most famous pagan?"
Himmler was, Hittler was obsessed with the occult in general, Himmler was the one who ordered the church burning parties on the way through France.
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"was Hitler the most famous pagan?
Himmler was, Hittler was obsessed with the occult in general, Himmler was the one who ordered the church burning parties on the way through France.
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Ah, I've heard of him at least. |
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"was Hitler the most famous pagan?
I don't think that simply rejecting Christian beliefs makes one a pagan, so no.
I'd say it's probably Gerald Gardner.
Who? "
The founder of modern Wicca, or Aleister Crowley if you want to go down that route.
As for the Nazis, the swastika is a magical symbol found in many ancient motifs across the world. They simply stole it, this is their only connection to paganism. |
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" Wasn't the whole Nazi thing all about pagan symbology etc?"
They were doing an ancient pagan knight routine, down to occupying a big castle with lots of pagan stuff everywhere. The Wehrmacht had 'God is with us' in German obviously, on their belts the SS conversely had 'my honour is loyalty' gave 'honour' daggers out, and had very little regard for any human life, so it was a kinda murder cult Wotan thing.
Kinda like ISIS / Islam, ISIS use the nits they like and ignore the rest and fill gaps in with fantasy to justify mass murder and genocide. |
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" Wasn't the whole Nazi thing all about pagan symbology etc?
They were doing an ancient pagan knight routine, down to occupying a big castle with lots of pagan stuff everywhere. The Wehrmacht had 'God is with us' in German obviously, on their belts the SS conversely had 'my honour is loyalty' gave 'honour' daggers out, and had very little regard for any human life, so it was a kinda murder cult Wotan thing.
Kinda like ISIS / Islam, ISIS use the nits they like and ignore the rest and fill gaps in with fantasy to justify mass murder and genocide. "
ALL religion is fantasy! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"was Hitler the most famous pagan?
I don't think that simply rejecting Christian beliefs makes one a pagan, so no.
I'd say it's probably Gerald Gardner.
Who?
The founder of modern Wicca, or Aleister Crowley if you want to go down that route.
As for the Nazis, the swastika is a magical symbol found in many ancient motifs across the world. They simply stole it, this is their only connection to paganism."
They used a lot more symbols than just the swastika and used a lot of pre Christian mythology to justify themselves. A fair bit of Viking symbolism as well as the Goth stuff. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"was Hitler the most famous pagan?
I don't think that simply rejecting Christian beliefs makes one a pagan, so no.
I'd say it's probably Gerald Gardner.
Who?
The founder of modern Wicca, or Aleister Crowley if you want to go down that route.
As for the Nazis, the swastika is a magical symbol found in many ancient motifs across the world. They simply stole it, this is their only connection to paganism.
They used a lot more symbols than just the swastika and used a lot of pre Christian mythology to justify themselves. A fair bit of Viking symbolism as well as the Goth stuff. "
Possibly but the most famous one, the sig runes of the SS are actually Anglo-Saxon in origin.
Himmler might have been obsessed with the occult and he might have wanted to restore the ancient pagan beliefs of pre Christian times but in my view this does not make him pagan. Nazi ideology and the striving for racial purity go directly against the pagan ethic. |
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"was Hitler the most famous pagan?"
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As far as I can remember he was born a Roman Catholic, never renounced it and never excommunicated so he died a Roman Catholic |
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"was Hitler the most famous pagan?.
As far as I can remember he was born a Roman Catholic, never renounced it and never excommunicated so he died a Roman Catholic"
As i understand it. He also wanted to promote something he called Positive Christianity, a mish-mash of Christianity and Nazi ideology. |
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"We don't celebrate Christmas at all but we will be spending Yule with our family in Sussex. Quite looking forward to it.
The winter solstice is nothing to do with Christmas. It's a Pagan/Wiccan date on the Callander. "
..... but the poster never mentioned Christmas? He mentioned Yule - which is a Pagan festival !! |
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"was Hitler the most famous pagan?.
As far as I can remember he was born a Roman Catholic, never renounced it and never excommunicated so he died a Roman Catholic"
Roman Catholics are pagans. The Romans just rebranded their old gods and called them saints. |
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"We don't celebrate Christmas at all but we will be spending Yule with our family in Sussex. Quite looking forward to it.
The winter solstice is nothing to do with Christmas. It's a Pagan/Wiccan date on the Callander.
..... but the poster never mentioned Christmas? He mentioned Yule - which is a Pagan festival !!"
Precisely. |
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"was Hitler the most famous pagan?.
As far as I can remember he was born a Roman Catholic, never renounced it and never excommunicated so he died a Roman Catholic
Roman Catholics are pagans. The Romans just rebranded their old gods and called them saints. "
This is a common misconception that Catholics have been plagued with since their formation and popularised in the C19th in the book 'The Two Babylons' and later used by anti Catholics, sceptics and modern Christian cults as a means to discredit the Catholic church.
Whilst it is true that most Catholic ceremonies have been adopted from paganism this does not make them pagan, nor is any archaeological evidence to support this idea.
I believe this was done as a means to make the new religion more acceptable to the masses and so make conversion easier. Or, perhaps because Catholics lack the imagination to come up with new ideas themselves. Don't forget that there was a massive drive to convert Europe from the C5th involving millions of people. |
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