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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I don't understand why women want to be seen as equal to men when they could be so much better.
This to me shows a lack of ambition.
This is why men are better |
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over a year ago
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"Shots fired!
Equality is flawed anyway  "
I was reading an interview with a business owner (female) and they was talking about the pay gap between men and women and she was saying that in her experience, men are more likely to ask for a pay rise than a woman, hence, a pay gap starts |
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You know what it is. We're so sick of having to say everything multiple times for men to understand/listen that it's easier just to give up.
It's not that we could be so much better, we are, it's simply a case of ... there's no point in persuing it because they don't understand simple tasks or instructions when we put it in the most basic of terms. Men pffft, knocking the determination out of women since time began  |
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"You know what it is. We're so sick of having to say everything multiple times for men to understand/listen that it's easier just to give up.
It's not that we could be so much better, we are, it's simply a case of ... there's no point in persuing it because they don't understand simple tasks or instructions when we put it in the most basic of terms. Men pffft, knocking the determination out of women since time began "
You don't have to say things multiple times to men, if we say we are going to do something, we'll do it, you don't have to remind us every 6 months |
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"You know what it is. We're so sick of having to say everything multiple times for men to understand/listen that it's easier just to give up.
It's not that we could be so much better, we are, it's simply a case of ... there's no point in persuing it because they don't understand simple tasks or instructions when we put it in the most basic of terms. Men pffft, knocking the determination out of women since time began
You don't have to say things multiple times to men, if we say we are going to do something, we'll do it, you don't have to remind us every 6 months"
Never put off going to the pub with mates tho eh   |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"You know what it is. We're so sick of having to say everything multiple times for men to understand/listen that it's easier just to give up.
It's not that we could be so much better, we are, it's simply a case of ... there's no point in persuing it because they don't understand simple tasks or instructions when we put it in the most basic of terms. Men pffft, knocking the determination out of women since time began
You don't have to say things multiple times to men, if we say we are going to do something, we'll do it, you don't have to remind us every 6 months
Never put off going to the pub with mates tho eh "
Scientists have concluded that a couple of pints with the mates is good for your mental health. They haven't said the same about fixing the cupboard doors or repainting the landing |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't understand why women want to be seen as equal to men when they could be so much better.
This to me shows a lack of ambition.
This is why men are better "
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"You know what it is. We're so sick of having to say everything multiple times for men to understand/listen that it's easier just to give up.
It's not that we could be so much better, we are, it's simply a case of ... there's no point in persuing it because they don't understand simple tasks or instructions when we put it in the most basic of terms. Men pffft, knocking the determination out of women since time began
You don't have to say things multiple times to men, if we say we are going to do something, we'll do it, you don't have to remind us every 6 months
Never put off going to the pub with mates tho eh
Scientists have concluded that a couple of pints with the mates is good for your mental health. They haven't said the same about fixing the cupboard doors or repainting the landing"
Were they having an after work bevy when they concluded this? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"You know what it is. We're so sick of having to say everything multiple times for men to understand/listen that it's easier just to give up.
It's not that we could be so much better, we are, it's simply a case of ... there's no point in persuing it because they don't understand simple tasks or instructions when we put it in the most basic of terms. Men pffft, knocking the determination out of women since time began
You don't have to say things multiple times to men, if we say we are going to do something, we'll do it, you don't have to remind us every 6 months
Never put off going to the pub with mates tho eh
Scientists have concluded that a couple of pints with the mates is good for your mental health. They haven't said the same about fixing the cupboard doors or repainting the landing
Were they having an after work bevy when they concluded this?"
Yes, because they can afford to with the extra salary they get |
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"You know what it is. We're so sick of having to say everything multiple times for men to understand/listen that it's easier just to give up.
It's not that we could be so much better, we are, it's simply a case of ... there's no point in persuing it because they don't understand simple tasks or instructions when we put it in the most basic of terms. Men pffft, knocking the determination out of women since time began
You don't have to say things multiple times to men, if we say we are going to do something, we'll do it, you don't have to remind us every 6 months
Never put off going to the pub with mates tho eh
Scientists have concluded that a couple of pints with the mates is good for your mental health. They haven't said the same about fixing the cupboard doors or repainting the landing
Were they having an after work bevy when they concluded this?
Yes, because they can afford to with the extra salary they get "
And they don't even need to flash their jugs. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"You know what it is. We're so sick of having to say everything multiple times for men to understand/listen that it's easier just to give up.
It's not that we could be so much better, we are, it's simply a case of ... there's no point in persuing it because they don't understand simple tasks or instructions when we put it in the most basic of terms. Men pffft, knocking the determination out of women since time began
You don't have to say things multiple times to men, if we say we are going to do something, we'll do it, you don't have to remind us every 6 months
Never put off going to the pub with mates tho eh
Scientists have concluded that a couple of pints with the mates is good for your mental health. They haven't said the same about fixing the cupboard doors or repainting the landing
Were they having an after work bevy when they concluded this?
Yes, because they can afford to with the extra salary they get
And they don't even need to flash their jugs. "
They're scientists, so they probably prefer to call them "beakers" |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Men are more aggressive, therefore bosses are scared they'll get beaten up if they refuse men payrises, hence the pay gap remains.
This is scientifcally supported by Google software engineers. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"And speaking of Google software engineers, this:
https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/8/11/16130452/google-memo-women-tech-biology-sexism"
That's too long to read on a Sunday, just give me the jist of it please  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Equality in my humble opinion is subjective.
I still want doors held open for me and to cum 1st... Bags carried and generally treated like a fucking princess..
That doesn't mean I'm not a badass bitch in the workplace though, I work in a male dominated (for want of a better word) industry and whilst it's not glamorous it's bloody hard work, I was a head chef at 28 which 30 odd years ago was not as commonplace as it is now. I probably upset a lot of people for many reasons but if nothing else I've learnt that no matter how many women campaign for equal opportunities, unless you actually believe your ass good if not better than your peers, male or female you might as well be pissing in the wind..
I don't actually think I'm superior to anyone I just know I'm good at what I do and I'm happy to just be me..
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By (user no longer on site)
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Women are women they can't be same as men.
Cheetah can't be same as Panther though they come from same cat family.
I am watching athletics as we speak and I see men finishing the 50k walk in 3:30 hours and women finishing after 5 hours..
We can't compare men and women. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Equality in my humble opinion is subjective.
I still want doors held open for me and to cum 1st... Bags carried and generally treated like a fucking princess..
That doesn't mean I'm not a badass bitch in the workplace though, I work in a male dominated (for want of a better word) industry and whilst it's not glamorous it's bloody hard work, I was a head chef at 28 which 30 odd years ago was not as commonplace as it is now. I probably upset a lot of people for many reasons but if nothing else I've learnt that no matter how many women campaign for equal opportunities, unless you actually believe your ass good if not better than your peers, male or female you might as well be pissing in the wind..
I don't actually think I'm superior to anyone I just know I'm good at what I do and I'm happy to just be me..
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This is probably the best response I'll see all day on this thread. Your position in work shouldn't depend on if you are male or female it should depend on how good you are at the actual job  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Men are more aggressive, therefore bosses are scared they'll get beaten up if they refuse men payrises, hence the pay gap remains.
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seen a lot of hot takes on the pay gap, but this is on another level  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You know what it is. We're so sick of having to say everything multiple times for men to understand/listen that it's easier just to give up.
It's not that we could be so much better, we are, it's simply a case of ... there's no point in persuing it because they don't understand simple tasks or instructions when we put it in the most basic of terms. Men pffft, knocking the determination out of women since time began
You don't have to say things multiple times to men, if we say we are going to do something, we'll do it, you don't have to remind us every 6 months"
Actually I do need reminding ?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Equality in my humble opinion is subjective.
I still want doors held open for me and to cum 1st... Bags carried and generally treated like a fucking princess..
That doesn't mean I'm not a badass bitch in the workplace though, I work in a male dominated (for want of a better word) industry and whilst it's not glamorous it's bloody hard work, I was a head chef at 28 which 30 odd years ago was not as commonplace as it is now. I probably upset a lot of people for many reasons but if nothing else I've learnt that no matter how many women campaign for equal opportunities, unless you actually believe your ass good if not better than your peers, male or female you might as well be pissing in the wind..
I don't actually think I'm superior to anyone I just know I'm good at what I do and I'm happy to just be me..
This is probably the best response I'll see all day on this thread. Your position in work shouldn't depend on if you are male or female it should depend on how good you are at the actual job "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"there is a misconception that women want to be men, we don't. we want to be free to be whatever we want.
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Just out of curiosity, what do you feel men can do that women can't? |
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"there is a misconception that women want to be men, we don't. we want to be free to be whatever we want.
Just out of curiosity, what do you feel men can do that women can't?"
I was going to say pee standing up, but I've seen it done. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"there is a misconception that women want to be men, we don't. we want to be free to be whatever we want.
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so why do people keep bringing up the issue that theres not enough women in STEM?
Women when given the choice dont seem to want to go into stem but into much lower paid feilds such as caring, education etc |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"there is a misconception that women want to be men, we don't. we want to be free to be whatever we want.
Just out of curiosity, what do you feel men can do that women can't?"
win any mixed gender athletics based competition? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"there is a misconception that women want to be men, we don't. we want to be free to be whatever we want.
Just out of curiosity, what do you feel men can do that women can't?
win any mixed gender athletics based competition?"
Best answer so far |
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By *orum TrollWoman
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"there is a misconception that women want to be men, we don't. we want to be free to be whatever we want.
Just out of curiosity, what do you feel men can do that women can't?"
nothing really, outside of anything to do with the reproductive system.
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"there is a misconception that women want to be men, we don't. we want to be free to be whatever we want.
so why do people keep bringing up the issue that theres not enough women in STEM?
Women when given the choice dont seem to want to go into stem but into much lower paid feilds such as caring, education etc"
no idea. might be something to do with wanting more diversity or something?
i personally am put off by the animal experimentation side of science. |
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"there is a misconception that women want to be men, we don't. we want to be free to be whatever we want.
so why do people keep bringing up the issue that theres not enough women in STEM?
Women when given the choice dont seem to want to go into stem but into much lower paid feilds such as caring, education etc"
Culture plays a part. If certain roles and jobs aren't seen as 'for women' by large parts of society then girls/young women are less likely to have the ambition to go into them. |
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By *uxom redCouple
over a year ago
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"there is a misconception that women want to be men, we don't. we want to be free to be whatever we want.
Just out of curiosity, what do you feel men can do that women can't?"
Naturally give birth.
Yes men have done it via science |
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"Women are women they can't be same as men.
Cheetah can't be same as Panther though they come from same cat family.
I am watching athletics as we speak and I see men finishing the 50k walk in 3:30 hours and women finishing after 5 hours..
We can't compare men and women. "
There you go, men can walk faster...that means.... erm! that means.....absolute shite to be honest |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"there is a misconception that women want to be men, we don't. we want to be free to be whatever we want.
so why do people keep bringing up the issue that theres not enough women in STEM?
Women when given the choice dont seem to want to go into stem but into much lower paid feilds such as caring, education etc
Culture plays a part. If certain roles and jobs aren't seen as 'for women' by large parts of society then girls/young women are less likely to have the ambition to go into them. "
Old bean... Where does culture come from?
Do half the population have no agency? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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And on this cultural bias = lower paid jobs for women falsitude
What about binmen?
"We need" more female binmen.... It's laughable when you invert the arguments.
There's a glass cellar (of shit jobs only men do) as well as a glass ceiling
In both realms women have freedom of choice to do either class of work |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Where I am thankful to the suffragettes and their courage, I don't think that men and women can ever be equal and I don't understand why some get so tangled up about it. We are clearly different in many ways and I would sooner embrace those differences. That said where we are able to achieve in the same way as a man we should be recognised for it, in the same way that a man who chooses to stay at home and care for his kids should be treated. I have been successful professionally and I manage a team of 100 staff, male and female, but I am still happy for a man to change my tyre, put the bins out etc |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Equality in my humble opinion is subjective.
I still want doors held open for me and to cum 1st... Bags carried and generally treated like a fucking princess..
That doesn't mean I'm not a badass bitch in the workplace though, I work in a male dominated (for want of a better word) industry and whilst it's not glamorous it's bloody hard work, I was a head chef at 28 which 30 odd years ago was not as commonplace as it is now. I probably upset a lot of people for many reasons but if nothing else I've learnt that no matter how many women campaign for equal opportunities, unless you actually believe your ass good if not better than your peers, male or female you might as well be pissing in the wind..
I don't actually think I'm superior to anyone I just know I'm good at what I do and I'm happy to just be me..
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This is a nice point.
Feminism allows (some) women to supplant ambition with a (false) backdrop of oppression and an unlevel playing field.
Successful people make things happen, the rest make excuses.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Equality in my humble opinion is subjective.
I still want doors held open for me and to cum 1st... Bags carried and generally treated like a fucking princess..
That doesn't mean I'm not a badass bitch in the workplace though, I work in a male dominated (for want of a better word) industry and whilst it's not glamorous it's bloody hard work, I was a head chef at 28 which 30 odd years ago was not as commonplace as it is now. I probably upset a lot of people for many reasons but if nothing else I've learnt that no matter how many women campaign for equal opportunities, unless you actually believe your ass good if not better than your peers, male or female you might as well be pissing in the wind..
I don't actually think I'm superior to anyone I just know I'm good at what I do and I'm happy to just be me..
This is a nice point.
Feminism allows (some) women to supplant ambition with a (false) backdrop of oppression and an unlevel playing field.
Successful people make things happen, the rest make excuses.
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"there is a misconception that women want to be men, we don't. we want to be free to be whatever we want.
so why do people keep bringing up the issue that theres not enough women in STEM?
Women when given the choice dont seem to want to go into stem but into much lower paid feilds such as caring, education etc
Culture plays a part. If certain roles and jobs aren't seen as 'for women' by large parts of society then girls/young women are less likely to have the ambition to go into them.
Old bean... Where does culture come from?
Do half the population have no agency? "
Where cultural ideas come from is a deep and complex issue, obviously.
That women are part of a system that often says 'women don't do science' doesn't mean the system is right or that there isn't a problem to be addressed.
Switch it around and society often says men should be stoic and strong and not show much emotion or seek help - an attitude which some would say contributes to men dying sooner than women.
Does that mean that those things are what men should be, because men are part of the culture that promotes them? Or does it mean that we are all part of a messy, often illogical culture and we should work together to give everyone a level playing field? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"there is a misconception that women want to be men, we don't. we want to be free to be whatever we want.
so why do people keep bringing up the issue that theres not enough women in STEM?
Women when given the choice dont seem to want to go into stem but into much lower paid feilds such as caring, education etc
Culture plays a part. If certain roles and jobs aren't seen as 'for women' by large parts of society then girls/young women are less likely to have the ambition to go into them.
Old bean... Where does culture come from?
Do half the population have no agency?
Where cultural ideas come from is a deep and complex issue, obviously.
That women are part of a system that often says 'women don't do science' doesn't mean the system is right or that there isn't a problem to be addressed.
Switch it around and society often says men should be stoic and strong and not show much emotion or seek help - an attitude which some would say contributes to men dying sooner than women.
Does that mean that those things are what men should be, because men are part of the culture that promotes them? Or does it mean that we are all part of a messy, often illogical culture and we should work together to give everyone a level playing field? "
OK so the answer is "because culture"
How does Feminism actually address these issues? Realistically? Or how can it?
Apart from some important and whiney "we need" statements
Will you be seeking quotas for the glass cellar jobs? Will you insist on a 50/50 split sent to die in war?
My view is that things are equally messy to use your apt term on both sides and the best solution is compassion and getting on with things and not division (a feminist led gender war in the media) |
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But also where is this system... If You wake up and rub your eyes you will see that women ARE doing science, very good science and have been doing more and more of it for the last few decades.
It is a vocation that suits certain aptitudes and naturally attracts those people who importantly CHOOSE TO DO IT
Where are these subtle or not so subtle messages that women shouldn't do science? Right now in 2017...not that 50s please.
I'm a scientist, I've been interested in it all my life and I've never heard that women can't do it. |
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"there is a misconception that women want to be men, we don't. we want to be free to be whatever we want.
so why do people keep bringing up the issue that theres not enough women in STEM?
Women when given the choice dont seem to want to go into stem but into much lower paid feilds such as caring, education etc
Culture plays a part. If certain roles and jobs aren't seen as 'for women' by large parts of society then girls/young women are less likely to have the ambition to go into them.
Old bean... Where does culture come from?
Do half the population have no agency?
Where cultural ideas come from is a deep and complex issue, obviously.
That women are part of a system that often says 'women don't do science' doesn't mean the system is right or that there isn't a problem to be addressed.
Switch it around and society often says men should be stoic and strong and not show much emotion or seek help - an attitude which some would say contributes to men dying sooner than women.
Does that mean that those things are what men should be, because men are part of the culture that promotes them? Or does it mean that we are all part of a messy, often illogical culture and we should work together to give everyone a level playing field?
OK so the answer is "because culture"
How does Feminism actually address these issues? Realistically? Or how can it?
Apart from some important and whiney "we need" statements
Will you be seeking quotas for the glass cellar jobs? Will you insist on a 50/50 split sent to die in war?
My view is that things are equally messy to use your apt term on both sides and the best solution is compassion and getting on with things and not division (a feminist led gender war in the media) "
The fact that you apparently feel personally attacked by feminism does not mean there is an actual 'gender war' going on.
Compassion is always a good idea. Quotas may or may not be a good idea depending on the situation. I'd leave that to experts on the given field.
If you are really keen that more women are in the armed forces in dangerous roles then you should be happy about the fact that feminism is for the eroding of stereotypical careers. |
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"But also where is this system... If You wake up and rub your eyes you will see that women ARE doing science, very good science and have been doing more and more of it for the last few decades.
It is a vocation that suits certain aptitudes and naturally attracts those people who importantly CHOOSE TO DO IT
Where are these subtle or not so subtle messages that women shouldn't do science? Right now in 2017...not that 50s please.
I'm a scientist, I've been interested in it all my life and I've never heard that women can't do it. "
So you, a man, haven't come across any discrimination towards women. What amazing proof that feminism is useless.
Google is available, and through it a huge range of articles, research, blogs, and opinions on this subject. I'd suggest reading and listening with an open mind rather than assuming that your individual experiences as a man can tell you much about the universal experiences of women. |
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By *omaMan
over a year ago
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"Women are women they can't be same as men.
Cheetah can't be same as Panther though they come from same cat family.
I am watching athletics as we speak and I see men finishing the 50k walk in 3:30 hours and women finishing after 5 hours..
We can't compare men and women. "
Do I take it the women's race passed a row of shops
Or was the finish line for the men's race at the Slug and Lettuce car park? |
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"Women are women they can't be same as men.
Cheetah can't be same as Panther though they come from same cat family.
I am watching athletics as we speak and I see men finishing the 50k walk in 3:30 hours and women finishing after 5 hours..
We can't compare men and women. "
An incredibly idiotic analogy. And pitifully cute.
Panthers are not being paid more than the cheetahs for doing the same work. Nor are the cheetahs stuck with the kids , housework and shopping while the panther is in the pub and refusing to buy household items cos the bank account is in his name.
Tsk.
I would assume that the keepers pay due regard to both panthers and cheetahs in terms of exercise, food and medical needs though. |
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"Where I am thankful to the suffragettes and their courage, I don't think that men and women can ever be equal and I don't understand why some get so tangled up about it. We are clearly different in many ways and I would sooner embrace those differences. That said where we are able to achieve in the same way as a man we should be recognised for it, in the same way that a man who chooses to stay at home and care for his kids should be treated. I have been successful professionally and I manage a team of 100 staff, male and female, but I am still happy for a man to change my tyre, put the bins out etc "
No suffragette or modern day feminist ever said that men and women are equal or the same or had no differences.
It's a common mistake people persist in making. |
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"there is a misconception that women want to be men, we don't. we want to be free to be whatever we want.
so why do people keep bringing up the issue that theres not enough women in STEM?
Women when given the choice dont seem to want to go into stem but into much lower paid feilds such as caring, education etc
Culture plays a part. If certain roles and jobs aren't seen as 'for women' by large parts of society then girls/young women are less likely to have the ambition to go into them. "
im actually in a job i love that has always been seen as just for men but times have changed and there are more females doing albeit not as many as there should be |
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"A woman's work is never done, yet still expect equal pay? Arrogant!!
At least we can be seen to be working. Men have to put up huge fucking signs to point it out.
MEN AT WORK ....... fuck me.
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"A woman's work is never done, yet still expect equal pay? Arrogant!!
At least we can be seen to be working. Men have to put up huge fucking signs to point it out.
MEN AT WORK ....... fuck me.
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well such a sign certainly gets to the point.. |
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The biggest problem I have with the equality argument is I believe feminists dont want equality. They want what men in the 20s had.
there can never have true equality due to the diffrences between sexes anyway.
another one that is quite annoting I want equality but I want the fringe benefits of being a female also. |
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"A woman's work is never done, yet still expect equal pay? Arrogant!!
At least we can be seen to be working. Men have to put up huge fucking signs to point it out.
MEN AT WORK ....... fuck me.
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And said "men at work" tend to be standing around playing on their phones and smoking fags |
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Seriously though, I agree that the work of the feminist movement is far from over, but in certain countries and in certain circumstances it's an obsolete ideal.
I don't believe that men in Congress should have the power to chose what a woman does with her body
But I don't think mens rights should be played down or belittled either.
I believe that the rights of girls to have an education is more important than ever..
But I also think it's right that we find out why boys generally don't do as well as girls in school.
I think we are equally failing and successful in different areas. And a real beneficial solution to our gender specific problems is to help each other. And stop acting like we are on opposite sides |
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"A woman's work is never done, yet still expect equal pay? Arrogant!!
At least we can be seen to be working. Men have to put up huge fucking signs to point it out.
MEN AT WORK ....... fuck me.
And said "men at work" tend to be standing around playing on their phones and smoking fags"
It's more for the boss than anything |
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"A woman's work is never done, yet still expect equal pay? Arrogant!!
At least we can be seen to be working. Men have to put up huge fucking signs to point it out.
MEN AT WORK ....... fuck me.
Well I'm not at work at the moment, but I'd be happy to "
Thank you very much. Would we need a sign to know it was happening ? |
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"Seriously though, I agree that the work of the feminist movement is far from over, but in certain countries and in certain circumstances it's an obsolete ideal.
I don't believe that men in Congress should have the power to chose what a woman does with her body
But I don't think mens rights should be played down or belittled either.
I believe that the rights of girls to have an education is more important than ever..
But I also think it's right that we find out why boys generally don't do as well as girls in school.
I think we are equally failing and successful in different areas. And a real beneficial solution to our gender specific problems is to help each other. And stop acting like we are on opposite sides"
Correct. I have more in common with a working class male than I have with an elitist female.
Gender is not my main gripe when judging my lot in life. |
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"A woman's work is never done, yet still expect equal pay? Arrogant!!
At least we can be seen to be working. Men have to put up huge fucking signs to point it out.
MEN AT WORK ....... fuck me.
Well I'm not at work at the moment, but I'd be happy to
Thank you very much. Would we need a sign to know it was happening ?"
Ouch *doffs cap out of respect * |
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"But we are more superior and the men know this, hence why they push us down. There's method in their madness, for sure. We just have to see past it. "
And you are happy to say you are better than someone else are you? |
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"But also where is this system... If You wake up and rub your eyes you will see that women ARE doing science, very good science and have been doing more and more of it for the last few decades.
It is a vocation that suits certain aptitudes and naturally attracts those people who importantly CHOOSE TO DO IT
Where are these subtle or not so subtle messages that women shouldn't do science? Right now in 2017...not that 50s please.
I'm a scientist, I've been interested in it all my life and I've never heard that women can't do it.
So you, a man, haven't come across any discrimination towards women. What amazing proof that feminism is useless.
Google is available, and through it a huge range of articles, research, blogs, and opinions on this subject. I'd suggest reading and listening with an open mind rather than assuming that your individual experiences as a man can tell you much about the universal experiences of women. "
I've heard all the arguments, I started out as some form of a feminist (truly I'm a humanist with liberal leanings) until I began to see how vitriolic the whole thing is.
You should try to take on my arguments instead of a weak "do your research, the truth is out there" approach.
You can't discredit a valid point with a simple "oh but you're a man honey" argument.
For one, the majority of my bosses in my scientific career have been women.
Where is the anti science for women dialogue? Show us! |
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"Seriously though, I agree that the work of the feminist movement is far from over, but in certain countries and in certain circumstances it's an obsolete ideal.
I don't believe that men in Congress should have the power to chose what a woman does with her body
But I don't think mens rights should be played down or belittled either.
I believe that the rights of girls to have an education is more important than ever..
But I also think it's right that we find out why boys generally don't do as well as girls in school.
I think we are equally failing and successful in different areas. And a real beneficial solution to our gender specific problems is to help each other. And stop acting like we are on opposite sides"
Amen to that |
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By *eesideMan
over a year ago
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"I don't understand why women want to be seen as equal to men when they could be so much better.
This to me shows a lack of ambition.
This is why men are better "
Don't meen to burst your buball op but to days date women have mor power than us. |
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"I don't understand why women want to be seen as equal to men when they could be so much better.
This to me shows a lack of ambition.
This is why men are better
Don't meen to burst your buball op but to days date women have mor power than us."
How so? |
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I agree women are equal to men so get the next round in love.I love guys like OP who shoot themselves in the foot.They then wonder why they don't get replies from women on here. |
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"I agree women are equal to men so get the next round in love.I love guys like OP who shoot themselves in the foot.They then wonder why they don't get replies from women on here."
How did I shoot myself in the foot? Please tell |
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"The trick is letting men think we strive for equality, when, in fact, we already rule the roost, men are just too short sighted to see this.....so we keep up the pretence! "
Pfft, please. It's pretty obvious that men rule the roost and what we say goes!......if thats ok with you that is |
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"The trick is letting men think we strive for equality, when, in fact, we already rule the roost, men are just too short sighted to see this.....so we keep up the pretence! "
Bit sexist |
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"That fact that you said "men are so much better than women,that gets a womans back up anyday."
Considering how everyone on the thread took it as the joke it obviously was, I'm not concerned.
The sense of humour is a wonderful thing, means people don't take everything serious |
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"The trick is letting men think we strive for equality, when, in fact, we already rule the roost, men are just too short sighted to see this.....so we keep up the pretence!
Bit sexist "
Really?...Srry..wasn't meant to be a bit sexist, was meant to be completely sexist....and correct I may add! lol |
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"The trick is letting men think we strive for equality, when, in fact, we already rule the roost, men are just too short sighted to see this.....so we keep up the pretence! "
damn, some women go through a lot of shit just to keep up this pretence |
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"The trick is letting men think we strive for equality, when, in fact, we already rule the roost, men are just too short sighted to see this.....so we keep up the pretence!
Bit sexist
Really?...Srry..wasn't meant to be a bit sexist, was meant to be completely sexist....and correct I may add! lol "
I'll just assume you are right |
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"The trick is letting men think we strive for equality, when, in fact, we already rule the roost, men are just too short sighted to see this.....so we keep up the pretence!
Bit sexist
Really?...Srry..wasn't meant to be a bit sexist, was meant to be completely sexist....and correct I may add! lol
I'll just assume you are right"
I feel I get on much better with people when they do this! lol |
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"You know what it is. We're so sick of having to say everything multiple times for men to understand/listen that it's easier just to give up.
It's not that we could be so much better, we are, it's simply a case of ... there's no point in persuing it because they don't understand simple tasks or instructions when we put it in the most basic of terms. Men pffft, knocking the determination out of women since time began "
You go girl!!! |
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"The trick is letting men think we strive for equality, when, in fact, we already rule the roost, men are just too short sighted to see this.....so we keep up the pretence!
Bit sexist
Really?...Srry..wasn't meant to be a bit sexist, was meant to be completely sexist....and correct I may add! lol
I'll just assume you are right
I feel I get on much better with people when they do this! lol"
I really want to dislike you, but God damm it I've got a weakness for challenging personalities |
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"The trick is letting men think we strive for equality, when, in fact, we already rule the roost, men are just too short sighted to see this.....so we keep up the pretence!
Bit sexist
Really?...Srry..wasn't meant to be a bit sexist, was meant to be completely sexist....and correct I may add! lol
I'll just assume you are right
I feel I get on much better with people when they do this! lol
I really want to dislike you, but God damm it I've got a weakness for challenging personalities "
WHAT! Dislike me, the very thought! I am an ....a fallen one, but an never the less! Tut tut |
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"The trick is letting men think we strive for equality, when, in fact, we already rule the roost, men are just too short sighted to see this.....so we keep up the pretence!
Bit sexist
Really?...Srry..wasn't meant to be a bit sexist, was meant to be completely sexist....and correct I may add! lol
I'll just assume you are right
I feel I get on much better with people when they do this! lol
I really want to dislike you, but God damm it I've got a weakness for challenging personalities
WHAT! Dislike me, the very thought! I am an ....a fallen one, but an never the less! Tut tut"
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over a year ago
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"Don't lie Kinky its just her body you are after.??haha"
Don't get me wrong, great body, but sometimes you want to break a majestic wild horse. Rather than Trot along the beach on a donkey |
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"Kinky I didn't mean it that way I meant you are wasting your time arguing with women.I learnt that a long long time ago."
Men call it arguing, women see it as healthy debate |
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"Kinky I didn't mean it that way I meant you are wasting your time arguing with women.I learnt that a long long time ago.
Men call it arguing, women see it as healthy debate "
Arguing with a woman is probably the best mental exercise you can do, they remember everything and you've got to think very fast to stay on top |
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By *eesideMan
over a year ago
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"I don't understand why women want to be seen as equal to men when they could be so much better.
This to me shows a lack of ambition.
This is why men are better
Don't meen to burst your buball op but to days date women have mor power than us.
How so?"
We'll for a start you got femenisoum and all that stuff.
Then thar is the legal side of things....
Like if 2 people devorce hoo tends to get the better dill ..... The woman.
Never seen anything on TV wear its 50-50 or even the guy gets the better dill......
And not forgetting the dating side of things wear the woman have almost all the power as well. Hints its hard for most normall guys to even get a date.
Take this site for example......
Even if the numbers of M to F wos even on hear thar wood still be guys not getting meets.
And then thar is the work place wear 'most not all' women get the job just cos of how thay look wear us guys haf to work as hard as pos just to get a CV red.
Can u see my point... op ?
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"The trick is letting men think we strive for equality, when, in fact, we already rule the roost, men are just too short sighted to see this.....so we keep up the pretence!
Bit sexist
Really?...Srry..wasn't meant to be a bit sexist, was meant to be completely sexist....and correct I may add! lol
I'll just assume you are right
I feel I get on much better with people when they do this! lol
I really want to dislike you, but God damm it I've got a weakness for challenging personalities
WHAT! Dislike me, the very thought! I am an ....a fallen one, but an never the less! Tut tut
So was the Devil "
Eh...I didn't pick the name out a hat! |
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"there is a misconception that women want to be men, we don't. we want to be free to be whatever we want.
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You are, UNLESS you ask permission to do whatever you want, if that's the case you already lost. |
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"I don't understand why women want to be seen as equal to men when they could be so much better.
This to me shows a lack of ambition.
This is why men are better
Don't meen to burst your buball op but to days date women have mor power than us.
How so?
We'll for a start you got femenisoum and all that stuff.
Then thar is the legal side of things....
Like if 2 people devorce hoo tends to get the better dill ..... The woman.
Never seen anything on TV wear its 50-50 or even the guy gets the better dill......
And not forgetting the dating side of things wear the woman have almost all the power as well. Hints its hard for most normall guys to even get a date.
Take this site for example......
Even if the numbers of M to F wos even on hear thar wood still be guys not getting meets.
And then thar is the work place wear 'most not all' women get the job just cos of how thay look wear us guys haf to work as hard as pos just to get a CV red.
Can u see my point... op ?
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My daughter is part way through her divorce now. She gets her son. Her husband gets every fucking thing else.
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By *eesideMan
over a year ago
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"I don't understand why women want to be seen as equal to men when they could be so much better.
This to me shows a lack of ambition.
This is why men are better
Don't meen to burst your buball op but to days date women have mor power than us.
How so?
We'll for a start you got femenisoum and all that stuff.
Then thar is the legal side of things....
Like if 2 people devorce hoo tends to get the better dill ..... The woman.
Never seen anything on TV wear its 50-50 or even the guy gets the better dill......
And not forgetting the dating side of things wear the woman have almost all the power as well. Hints its hard for most normall guys to even get a date.
Take this site for example......
Even if the numbers of M to F wos even on hear thar wood still be guys not getting meets.
And then thar is the work place wear 'most not all' women get the job just cos of how thay look wear us guys haf to work as hard as pos just to get a CV red.
Can u see my point... op ?
My daughter is part way through her divorce now. She gets her son. Her husband gets every fucking thing else.
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Sorry to hear that.....
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"I don't understand why women want to be seen as equal to men when they could be so much better.
This to me shows a lack of ambition.
This is why men are better "
Why would we want to be equal - we are far superior. I'd like to see a man carry a baby |
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"I don't understand why women want to be seen as equal to men when they could be so much better.
This to me shows a lack of ambition.
This is why men are better
Why would we want to be equal - we are far superior. I'd like to see a man carry a baby"
manflu ...like to see a. Woman have that.... |
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"Equality of opportunity is what I believe in "
my fantasy football team would be ladies playing with in the premier league along side the highest paid lazy bastards over rated stars |
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"But we are more superior and the men know this, hence why they push us down. There's method in their madness, for sure. We just have to see past it.
And you are happy to say you are better than someone else are you?"
Now you put it like that....no of course not! Swing n roundabouts they, hey. |
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"The trick is letting men think we strive for equality, when, in fact, we already rule the roost, men are just too short sighted to see this.....so we keep up the pretence!
Bit sexist "
See you're getting a tad pissed aren't you? The way I see it is that's your problem and how you deal with things.
I've been called a feminazi ( hahaha ) lots of times. I don't take it personally though.
I'm just comfortable with myself as a female. As you should as a male |
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over a year ago
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"I don't understand why women want to be seen as equal to men when they could be so much better.
This to me shows a lack of ambition.
This is why men are better "
i don't wish to be 'equal', i wish to be accepted as i am.. |
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"I don't understand why women want to be seen as equal to men when they could be so much better.
This to me shows a lack of ambition.
This is why men are better "
Women who simply aim for equality with men, aren't aiming high enough
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"But we are more superior and the men know this, hence why they push us down. There's method in their madness, for sure. We just have to see past it.
And you are happy to say you are better than someone else are you?
Now you put it like that....no of course not! Swing n roundabouts they, hey. "
You see when one group claims that they are superior to another. They become a supremacist, and that's when the backlash starts. It's equality or nothing, |
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"The trick is letting men think we strive for equality, when, in fact, we already rule the roost, men are just too short sighted to see this.....so we keep up the pretence!
Bit sexist
See you're getting a tad pissed aren't you? The way I see it is that's your problem and how you deal with things.
I've been called a feminazi ( hahaha ) lots of times. I don't take it personally though.
I'm just comfortable with myself as a female. As you should as a male "
Erm no, not pissed at all, just pointing out that the statement was a bit of a double standard.
Oh, and I'm very comfortable with who I am, just so that you know, because I would hate for you to have to keep making assumptions about me, pmsl me and I'll tell you all you need to know |
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"But we are more superior and the men know this, hence why they push us down. There's method in their madness, for sure. We just have to see past it.
And you are happy to say you are better than someone else are you?
Now you put it like that....no of course not! Swing n roundabouts they, hey.
You see when one group claims that they are superior to another. They become a supremacist, and that's when the backlash starts. It's equality or nothing, "
Well then we'll go for nothing. I've not claimed anything. It was tongue and cheek.
I find it hilarious when a man gets funny though, knowing full well that on the planet, women get such a shitty hand! But there always as to be one man that gets all boo hoo. And why???? Absolutely no need. Just another way to put us down. In my opinion. |
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"The trick is letting men think we strive for equality, when, in fact, we already rule the roost, men are just too short sighted to see this.....so we keep up the pretence!
Bit sexist
See you're getting a tad pissed aren't you? The way I see it is that's your problem and how you deal with things.
I've been called a feminazi ( hahaha ) lots of times. I don't take it personally though.
I'm just comfortable with myself as a female. As you should as a male
Erm no, not pissed at all, just pointing out that the statement was a bit of a double standard.
Oh, and I'm very comfortable with who I am, just so that you know, because I would hate for you to have to keep making assumptions about me, pmsl me and I'll tell you all you need to know"
Same for you too. |
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"The trick is letting men think we strive for equality, when, in fact, we already rule the roost, men are just too short sighted to see this.....so we keep up the pretence!
Bit sexist
See you're getting a tad pissed aren't you? The way I see it is that's your problem and how you deal with things.
I've been called a feminazi ( hahaha ) lots of times. I don't take it personally though.
I'm just comfortable with myself as a female. As you should as a male
Erm no, not pissed at all, just pointing out that the statement was a bit of a double standard.
Oh, and I'm very comfortable with who I am, just so that you know, because I would hate for you to have to keep making assumptions about me, pmsl me and I'll tell you all you need to know"
Should say pm me, I'm not laughing that much |
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"But we are more superior and the men know this, hence why they push us down. There's method in their madness, for sure. We just have to see past it.
And you are happy to say you are better than someone else are you?
Now you put it like that....no of course not! Swing n roundabouts they, hey.
You see when one group claims that they are superior to another. They become a supremacist, and that's when the backlash starts. It's equality or nothing,
Well then we'll go for nothing. I've not claimed anything. It was tongue and cheek.
I find it hilarious when a man gets funny though, knowing full well that on the planet, women get such a shitty hand! But there always as to be one man that gets all boo hoo. And why???? Absolutely no need. Just another way to put us down. In my opinion. "
There you go again with assumptions, you assume I'm being funny, and getting boo hoo, when I'm not. |
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"Shots fired!
Equality is flawed anyway
I was reading an interview with a business owner (female) and they was talking about the pay gap between men and women and she was saying that in her experience, men are more likely to ask for a pay rise than a woman, hence, a pay gap starts"
Surely I'm not the only hard working underpaid public sector employee who is fed up of hearing about the so-called gender pay gap.
I work in an industry (the biggest employer in Europe) where there is no difference in salary between men and women whatsoever. What there is is a difference in is sickness, maternity leave and childcare absence.
Along with preferential treatment for flexible or less than full time work and holiday allocation.
The final straw for a colleague of mine was when he was told he would be on call over Christmas because he didn't have any kids.
In real life the gender pay gap between men and women doing like for like jobs has been near impossible to actually prove exists.
Other competitive measures like 'average earnings' are flawed because tiny numbers of high wage earners in the sports and entertainment industries affect the figures to the point where they are meaningless.
A difference of about 10% is probably about right, to account for the likelihood of a couple of years in a career out for kids and paying a replacement..
In the real world (non-fab skewed) I think most women would be terrified by the prospect of actual equality. |
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No lacking ambition here. Sometimes motivation otherwise onwards and upwards !
Ouch I just banged my head on a glass ceiling
Being honest, I work in a mans workplace environment, always have done and never felt second rate. I've created my own destiny |
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over a year ago
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"You know what it is. We're so sick of having to say everything multiple times for men to understand/listen that it's easier just to give up.
It's not that we could be so much better, we are, it's simply a case of ... there's no point in persuing it because they don't understand simple tasks or instructions when we put it in the most basic of terms. Men pffft, knocking the determination out of women since time began
You don't have to say things multiple times to men, if we say we are going to do something, we'll do it, you don't have to remind us every 6 months
Never put off going to the pub with mates tho eh
Scientists have concluded that a couple of pints with the mates is good for your mental health. They haven't said the same about fixing the cupboard doors or repainting the landing"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You know what it is. We're so sick of having to say everything multiple times for men to understand/listen that it's easier just to give up.
It's not that we could be so much better, we are, it's simply a case of ... there's no point in persuing it because they don't understand simple tasks or instructions when we put it in the most basic of terms. Men pffft, knocking the determination out of women since time began
You don't have to say things multiple times to men, if we say we are going to do something, we'll do it, you don't have to remind us every 6 months
Never put off going to the pub with mates tho eh
Scientists have concluded that a couple of pints with the mates is good for your mental health. They haven't said the same about fixing the cupboard doors or repainting the landing
Were they having an after work bevy when they concluded this?"
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"Shots fired!
Equality is flawed anyway
I was reading an interview with a business owner (female) and they was talking about the pay gap between men and women and she was saying that in her experience, men are more likely to ask for a pay rise than a woman, hence, a pay gap starts
Surely I'm not the only hard working underpaid public sector employee who is fed up of hearing about the so-called gender pay gap.
I work in an industry (the biggest employer in Europe) where there is no difference in salary between men and women whatsoever. What there is is a difference in is sickness, maternity leave and childcare absence.
Along with preferential treatment for flexible or less than full time work and holiday allocation.
The final straw for a colleague of mine was when he was told he would be on call over Christmas because he didn't have any kids.
In real life the gender pay gap between men and women doing like for like jobs has been near impossible to actually prove exists.
Other competitive measures like 'average earnings' are flawed because tiny numbers of high wage earners in the sports and entertainment industries affect the figures to the point where they are meaningless.
A difference of about 10% is probably about right, to account for the likelihood of a couple of years in a career out for kids and paying a replacement..
In the real world (non-fab skewed) I think most women would be terrified by the prospect of actual equality. "
I have never really experienced problems as a woman, not felt that I have been held back or unfairly treated because of my sex. Just putting that out there before making my point.. Men can ask for the same, they can be the primary parent and also have these rights, but the majority choose not to, still believing that the main focus of responsibility re childcare etc is down to the Mother. Many would love to stay at home and avoid these issues and the backlash from colleagues but finances and today's cost of living don't afford them that luxury. |
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"Shots fired!
Equality is flawed anyway
I was reading an interview with a business owner (female) and they was talking about the pay gap between men and women and she was saying that in her experience, men are more likely to ask for a pay rise than a woman, hence, a pay gap starts
Surely I'm not the only hard working underpaid public sector employee who is fed up of hearing about the so-called gender pay gap.
I work in an industry (the biggest employer in Europe) where there is no difference in salary between men and women whatsoever. What there is is a difference in is sickness, maternity leave and childcare absence.
Along with preferential treatment for flexible or less than full time work and holiday allocation.
The final straw for a colleague of mine was when he was told he would be on call over Christmas because he didn't have any kids.
In real life the gender pay gap between men and women doing like for like jobs has been near impossible to actually prove exists.
Other competitive measures like 'average earnings' are flawed because tiny numbers of high wage earners in the sports and entertainment industries affect the figures to the point where they are meaningless.
A difference of about 10% is probably about right, to account for the likelihood of a couple of years in a career out for kids and paying a replacement..
In the real world (non-fab skewed) I think most women would be terrified by the prospect of actual equality. "
Too right ! The thought of being such a myopic knob head sends shivers down my spine.
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