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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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An English man's home is his her/castle.
Guess this used to be true.
It used to be the white English man/woman, could move from the place they born,to a new area and get just jokes and laughs...all good humour at work..jokes about the area you born. British banter, different accents, all good fun.
However now a days are places up and down the country the white English man is the minority, no doubt living in those areas, would end up being subject to racial abuse for being English, violence and threats.
So my questions are...
1. If you moved into an area, where they hate the English and from day one you got racial abuse for being English. Would you stick it out or just leave?
2. If you would stick it out. As time rolled on you got subject to abuse, violence, threats, gang attacks, heavier by nature as time rolled on.
Would you stick it out or leave?
3. If you stick it out and then family, friends, partner (who didn't feel safe living there) the law telling you "you should move, they don't like English people here" so called hard people you know telling you see some sence and move its dangerous.
How long would you stay before saying enough is enough?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"An English man's home is his her/castle.
Guess this used to be true.
It used to be the white English man/woman, could move from the place they born,to a new area and get just jokes and laughs...all good humour at work..jokes about the area you born. British banter, different accents, all good fun.
However now a days are places up and down the country the white English man is the minority, no doubt living in those areas, would end up being subject to racial abuse for being English, violence and threats.
So my questions are...
1. If you moved into an area, where they hate the English and from day one you got racial abuse for being English. Would you stick it out or just leave?
2. If you would stick it out. As time rolled on you got subject to abuse, violence, threats, gang attacks, heavier by nature as time rolled on.
Would you stick it out or leave?
3. If you stick it out and then family, friends, partner (who didn't feel safe living there) the law telling you "you should move, they don't like English people here" so called hard people you know telling you see some sence and move its dangerous.
How long would you stay before saying enough is enough?
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I would just lump anyone who's got a problem with me.
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By (user no longer on site)
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If I caused anxiety in a group, for reasons I couldn't change, I would leave. I am socially active in my small hamlet, and a naturally 'giving' person. If I couldn't contribute to those I lived with, I would not be happy. |
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In my personal experience, its the local 'white Englishmen' (and women - it's an equal opportunities experience) who have caused all my grief, and who are the prime reason that I'm moving somewhere else asap. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"An English man's home is his her/castle.
Guess this used to be true.
It used to be the white English man/woman, could move from the place they born,to a new area and get just jokes and laughs...all good humour at work..jokes about the area you born. British banter, different accents, all good fun.
However now a days are places up and down the country the white English man is the minority, no doubt living in those areas, would end up being subject to racial abuse for being English, violence and threats.
So my questions are...
1. If you moved into an area, where they hate the English and from day one you got racial abuse for being English. Would you stick it out or just leave?
2. If you would stick it out. As time rolled on you got subject to abuse, violence, threats, gang attacks, heavier by nature as time rolled on.
Would you stick it out or leave?
3. If you stick it out and then family, friends, partner (who didn't feel safe living there) the law telling you "you should move, they don't like English people here" so called hard people you know telling you see some sence and move its dangerous.
How long would you stay before saying enough is enough?
I would just lump anyone who's got a problem with me.
Job done. "
Yes but truly if you was the minority in an area? You can't poss do that say walking through local park, gangs of youth's making it clear your English and not liked. One man can't fight an army of youths or young men |
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By *orum TrollWoman
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1. If you moved into an area, where they hate the English and from day one you got racial abuse for being English. Would you stick it out or just leave?
My sister moved to blackburn and stayed. Her house was really cheap and that's all she could afford. She found out later why.
2. If you would stick it out. As time rolled on you got subject to abuse, violence, threats, gang attacks, heavier by nature as time rolled on.
She moved when a gang broke into her house, while she was asleep, and woke her up telling her she wasn't wanted round there.
At least they didn't set fire to her house until after she moved out. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I thought that only Newham in London and Leicestershire were the areas where white brits were a minority despite the perception among many.
I can't speak on the situations described, but they don't sound pleasant.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"1. If you moved into an area, where they hate the English and from day one you got racial abuse for being English. Would you stick it out or just leave?
My sister moved to blackburn and stayed. Her house was really cheap and that's all she could afford. She found out later why.
2. If you would stick it out. As time rolled on you got subject to abuse, violence, threats, gang attacks, heavier by nature as time rolled on.
She moved when a gang broke into her house, while she was asleep, and woke her up telling her she wasn't wanted round there.
At least they didn't set fire to her house until after she moved out."
Yeah its sad this. I didn't think it went on, but I find out from net, it goes on a lot..I've read some sad reports of old people getting windows smashed, beaten up, spat on for being English. It actually kinda brought a tear to my eye, reading about an old military service man in 80s getting beaten up by a gang of youths for being English, having been advised by social services to move out for his safety. When in hospital they burned his house down. He died sometime after that of a heart attack.
I'm sorry to hear your sis has experienced this..I have also. It is not a nice experience on any level. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I'd do my homework and avoid moving to an area where the locals hate the English. "
Yes but perhaps in life one couldnt follow what you suspected, what you had heard. Say you had to live in that environment as nowhere else |
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If a particular area was so bad for racist attacks then surely it would have a reputation, if I was likely to be subjected to such behaviour then I wouldn't move into that area in the first place. Isn't that just common sense? To live a quiet life and feel safe where you live?! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"If a particular area was so bad for racist attacks then surely it would have a reputation, if I was likely to be subjected to such behaviour then I wouldn't move into that area in the first place. Isn't that just common sense? To live a quiet life and feel safe where you live?!"
Yes I agree with you, however what if was no other options at time and you just had no choice. It wasn't possible to just move area's. And only properties available would be in the anti English quarter  |
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By *orum TrollWoman
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"1. If you moved into an area, where they hate the English and from day one you got racial abuse for being English. Would you stick it out or just leave?
My sister moved to blackburn and stayed. Her house was really cheap and that's all she could afford. She found out later why.
2. If you would stick it out. As time rolled on you got subject to abuse, violence, threats, gang attacks, heavier by nature as time rolled on.
She moved when a gang broke into her house, while she was asleep, and woke her up telling her she wasn't wanted round there.
At least they didn't set fire to her house until after she moved out.
Yeah its sad this. I didn't think it went on, but I find out from net, it goes on a lot..I've read some sad reports of old people getting windows smashed, beaten up, spat on for being English. It actually kinda brought a tear to my eye, reading about an old military service man in 80s getting beaten up by a gang of youths for being English, having been advised by social services to move out for his safety. When in hospital they burned his house down. He died sometime after that of a heart attack.
I'm sorry to hear your sis has experienced this..I have also. It is not a nice experience on any level."
She's ok now. I wouldn't have thought things like that happened either until it happened to her. Don't think it was even reported in the paper either so unless you knew about it you wouldn't have heard about it either. So i can imagine it goes on even more than you hear about.
Her daughter was bullied a lot at school as well, she was definitely happy to move away. At least she was able to move, many people won't even have that option. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If a particular area was so bad for racist attacks then surely it would have a reputation, if I was likely to be subjected to such behaviour then I wouldn't move into that area in the first place. Isn't that just common sense? To live a quiet life and feel safe where you live?!
Yes I agree with you, however what if was no other options at time and you just had no choice. It wasn't possible to just move area's. And only properties available would be in the anti English quarter "
It's not a realistic scenario though. There's always other options.
I'd buy a motor home and live in that. Or buy a boat, and live on that. Move abroad. I simply wouldn't live where I couldn't feel either welcome or safe. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"If a particular area was so bad for racist attacks then surely it would have a reputation, if I was likely to be subjected to such behaviour then I wouldn't move into that area in the first place. Isn't that just common sense? To live a quiet life and feel safe where you live?!
Yes I agree with you, however what if was no other options at time and you just had no choice. It wasn't possible to just move area's. And only properties available would be in the anti English quarter
It's not a realistic scenario though. There's always other options.
I'd buy a motor home and live in that. Or buy a boat, and live on that. Move abroad. I simply wouldn't live where I couldn't feel either welcome or safe."
Ok yes I see your point. Looking back on it..I would agree with you completely. Yes, but I made a silly choice, I see that now |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The internet as a source is a dangerous starting point  "
Would tend to agree with you, however I was talking from own experiences in an area and it seems others both here in post and pm have experienced or know others that have experienced such actions. I guess perhaps your lucky you have not experienced it the other way round from white people. I guess could be said all is as bad as each other in some circles.
I have friends from all over the world yet to be subject to racial abuse in ones own country seems like is no hope for the youth of tomorrow in these areas |
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People get targeted for many reasons, not just being English or any other nationality, those who are disabled, special educational needs. It's a sorry state of affairs and it makes me really sad.
Me personally, would I live in fear? Naaaa, been there, done that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The internet as a source is a dangerous starting point
Would tend to agree with you, however I was talking from own experiences in an area and it seems others both here in post and pm have experienced or know others that have experienced such actions. I guess perhaps your lucky you have not experienced it the other way round from white people. I guess could be said all is as bad as each other in some circles.
I have friends from all over the world yet to be subject to racial abuse in ones own country seems like is no hope for the youth of tomorrow in these areas"
It sounds like a horrible experience and I hope that neither yourself nor your family are in any danger.
Racism, xenophobia and all forms of hate crime are unacceptable regardless of where they take place or who the victim is.
Unless you have walked in their shoes, IMO it is often dangerous to assume that others haven't been subject to torment or abuse  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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As soon as I read the description " A white Englishman " I realised I couldn't dumb myself down sufficiently to make a worthwhile response to this thread  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As soon as I read the description " A white Englishman " I realised I couldn't dumb myself down sufficiently to make a worthwhile response to this thread "
Not to worry, not all who make a worthwhile comment get a response on this thread anyway |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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i would engage in a nice way and try and change their views prospective on life
for the better good
i suppose they went through a similar experience when locating to the uk in the 1950's
it was openly allowed for boarding houses to display signs with no blacks no irish allowed
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As soon as I read the description " A white Englishman " I realised I couldn't dumb myself down sufficiently to make a worthwhile response to this thread
Not to worry, not all who make a worthwhile comment get a response on this thread anyway "
Yeah that's quite often the case when the motive for using ethnic background is challenged |
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"You've been to North Wales recently then. I lasted a weekend but they made it very clear the English aren't welcome."
Ooer, we were in Conwy a few weeks ago and we're going again in a fortnight. Perhaps it's because we look weird the locals realise we're harmless |
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By (user no longer on site)
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My freind worked in India as a nurse for the english elderly in a retirement home.
She was there two years and even though she loved all the old people she looked after she had to leave as she would walk to work and get verbally abused by the locals for taking what they saw as there jobs.
She showed me pictures of a narrow street by the nursing home that was part of the main entrance.
Her and her work friends would get spat on from the Windows on a regular basis for just working there.
The locals viewed it as why should English people be working in a English nursing home in there country when it should be the locals doing that job.
She was heart broken to leave as she loved the country and the old people she looked after but the constant abuse she got just broke her in the end x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I've not read all the thread, but there are some areas of Bristol that are perceived as being anti English or anti British, however I have known a number of people through work that have unwittingly moved into these areas and had no problems what so ever, perhaps if you move into these areas with certain preconceptions you'll be treated accordingly?
But all that said I appreciate that there may be pockets around England that are going to be much harder to move into but these are probably known on a more national scale |
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I lived in a largely Asian area for a while, with a sari shop just over the road. Never had any trouble and they were all very friendly. The lady who owned the shop had her baby two days after I had mine. We'd stand in the sunshine outside the shop having lovely chats and exchanging birth stories. Just two women and their babies. Race was irrelevant. It should always be so. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"This seems a question based on stereotypes and racist undertones - and not something that relates to me.
Are you in a problem op?"
Yes. Talking about past experience not present |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You've been to North Wales recently then. I lasted a weekend but they made it very clear the English aren't welcome."
Hey bud we are a very welcoming lot , just a few knob heads who believe the crap the nationalists tell them. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"My freind worked in India as a nurse for the english elderly in a retirement home.
She was there two years and even though she loved all the old people she looked after she had to leave as she would walk to work and get verbally abused by the locals for taking what they saw as there jobs.
She showed me pictures of a narrow street by the nursing home that was part of the main entrance.
Her and her work friends would get spat on from the Windows on a regular basis for just working there.
The locals viewed it as why should English people be working in a English nursing home in there country when it should be the locals doing that job.
She was heart broken to leave as she loved the country and the old people she looked after but the constant abuse she got just broke her in the end x "
Sorry to hear that, but least it was in another country. I can understand that it must be hard in some areas around world like this given nature of low employment within high population |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You've been to North Wales recently then. I lasted a weekend but they made it very clear the English aren't welcome.
Ooer, we were in Conwy a few weeks ago and we're going again in a fortnight. Perhaps it's because we look weird the locals realise we're harmless"
Croeso welcome.to my little patch of the world have a simply remarkable time |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I've not read all the thread, but there are some areas of Bristol that are perceived as being anti English or anti British, however I have known a number of people through work that have unwittingly moved into these areas and had no problems what so ever, perhaps if you move into these areas with certain preconceptions you'll be treated accordingly?
But all that said I appreciate that there may be pockets around England that are going to be much harder to move into but these are probably known on a more national scale"
Bristol? Really? I've heard of other places and seen some very much like this,but I'd never have considered a place like Bristol or the south west to have any problems with anyone English from anyone else |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You've been to North Wales recently then. I lasted a weekend but they made it very clear the English aren't welcome."
Not all of us are so unwelcoming I assure you x |
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"You've been to North Wales recently then. I lasted a weekend but they made it very clear the English aren't welcome.
Ooer, we were in Conwy a few weeks ago and we're going again in a fortnight. Perhaps it's because we look weird the locals realise we're harmless
Croeso welcome.to my little patch of the world have a simply remarkable time "
Hmmmm......I once parked with lots of other cars on a road in wales and there were no restrictions however.....mine was the only English number plate without a little dragon so guess who got the parking ticket? Yup, me. 
And for the OP - about a week. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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After living with me for a few weeks they would love me and all my endearing English ways.
Then I'd go out on a killing spree every night to get my own back. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You've been to North Wales recently then. I lasted a weekend but they made it very clear the English aren't welcome.
Not all of us are so unwelcoming I assure you x"
If your a lucky taff you get a cwtch |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"As soon as I read the description " A white Englishman " I realised I couldn't dumb myself down sufficiently to make a worthwhile response to this thread
Not to worry, not all who make a worthwhile comment get a response on this thread anyway "
You lost me there. How is your comments worthwhile?
What's point in responding as you wrote...when all you've stated is about you. Like your experience in the little hamlet community. And personally if it makes fuck witts who have issue with race, anxiety, then great let's hope others do so. Sorry but as op one can't poss reply to everyone and certainly not one with a not worth while comment. I'm glad your able to live in your happy hamlet good for you |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've not read all the thread, but there are some areas of Bristol that are perceived as being anti English or anti British, however I have known a number of people through work that have unwittingly moved into these areas and had no problems what so ever, perhaps if you move into these areas with certain preconceptions you'll be treated accordingly?
But all that said I appreciate that there may be pockets around England that are going to be much harder to move into but these are probably known on a more national scale
Bristol? Really? I've heard of other places and seen some very much like this,but I'd never have considered a place like Bristol or the south west to have any problems with anyone English from anyone else"
By no way are these areas in Bristol like what you may have been referring to, but there are certainly areas which many believe to have an "us and them" environment, it is purely based on racism and predjudice and I have known people that have moved into these areas and fully enjoyed the multicultural way of living.
My point was more that people's misconceptions and how they may act and behave on these misconceptions when they move into such an area may negatively impact their housing situation. |
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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago
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Hell, some parts of Scotland are still very unwelcoming to the English!
I moved here at age 16 speaking the queens proper English and my god it did not go down well.
Even now I don't fit in! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You've been to North Wales recently then. I lasted a weekend but they made it very clear the English aren't welcome.
Not all of us are so unwelcoming I assure you x
If your a lucky taff you get a cwtch "
Indeed |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Hell, some parts of Scotland are still very unwelcoming to the English!
I moved here at age 16 speaking the queens proper English and my god it did not go down well.
Even now I don't fit in!"
What even in such a diverse and multi cultural society as Aberdeen?
Has been like a polish community in Aberdeen since 50s sure I read.
Yeah I guess still some areas of Scotland still rattle on about William Wallace and and make it clear hate the English. Sad it is. Sorry to hear you've experienced this, even today |
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By *eliWoman
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"Hell, some parts of Scotland are still very unwelcoming to the English!
I moved here at age 16 speaking the queens proper English and my god it did not go down well.
Even now I don't fit in!"
Oh Aberdeen really was never a problem for me and I'm a wanky Home Counties mixed race girl. And before it's typed, I didn't just stay in Old Aberdeen. Meh! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I'm not sure the "white Englishman" is quite the minority some people perceive? Statistically the United kingdom is still mainly white if the sources I researched were correct.
I get your light hearted banter thing, but it can also wear thin even if it's allegedly just fun.
I joined the forces and was repeatedly subjected to sheep shagger, stupid farmboy references. All good natured and I'm sure I led to fight my corner but it wears thin.
People are wary of those arriving in their area who are different. It's not a white or English thing as you put it. It's just people...youre wither decent or you're not? |
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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago
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"Hell, some parts of Scotland are still very unwelcoming to the English!
I moved here at age 16 speaking the queens proper English and my god it did not go down well.
Even now I don't fit in!
Oh Aberdeen really was never a problem for me and I'm a wanky Home Counties mixed race girl. And before it's typed, I didn't just stay in Old Aberdeen. Meh! "
I am speaking about 27 years ago lol and as soon as I opened my mouth all I got was 'Your English!'
In the end I just started replying with 'Do you have a problem with that?'
Soon shut them up  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" I'm not sure the "white Englishman" is quite the minority some people perceive? Statistically the United kingdom is still mainly white if the sources I researched were correct.
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79.8% White British and around 85% when all other White demographics are included according to the latest Census |
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By (user no longer on site)
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She was heart broken to leave as she loved the country and the old people she looked after but the constant abuse she got just broke her in the end x
Sorry to hear that, but least it was in another country. "
I'm not sure that makes it any more acceptable |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I've lived in areas that have been predominantly ethnic minorities. I've never felt threatened. The only racism I've encountered has been from white people.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've lived in areas that have been predominantly ethnic minorities. I've never felt threatened. The only racism I've encountered has been from white people.
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Can I ask what the abuse was directed at your for? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Northern Ireland still has areas that are recommended to be out of bounds to serving personnel too."
Yeah the Irish troubles will sadly never go away I'd imagine. Given the very nature of how long its been going...way back. It did seem weird to me that you had major criminals from both sides, who had been doing life sentences for murders and bombing etc and yet all this was forgotten and many bad men from both sides got released in an agreement, most of whom it appears have carried on what once stood, rather than walk away and start a fresh life.
I think over there is a different ball game. A prod in a catholic area or a Catholic in a prod area not to mention military or ex military still and always will cause some bother.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I've lived in areas that have been predominantly ethnic minorities. I've never felt threatened. The only racism I've encountered has been from white people.
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What racism did you experience from white people?
Is it your saying that as the racism directed at ethnic minorities and not yourself?
Its only that I had a friend. I knew from school. He was from Pakistan. I had never spent time with his family or met any of them back at school.
So role into adult hood. I met him in some bar, he was with two white women, all over him. Anyway we became friends again, through my time with him, I experienced their family life, met his parents and loads of massive family. One thing I realised very quickly was how racist and actually anti white man the family was.
Although in very few situations they spoke Pakistani and I could not understand them, it was obvious that they was in fact laughing at situations during their day interacting with white British people.
My mate told me that the family did not like British people because what his father experienced towards them when he first arrived here.
I actually became aware that everyone I met through them clearly had no like of the British man.
My mate told me much of his culture have had much trouble from white people in life and mostly everyone tars everyone else with same brush as its something your parents install as a child within their community.
It scares me a little to think what brain washing goes on in communities to make children dislike someone from another race, especially given the multicultural society Britain is fast becoming or is
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" I'm not sure the "white Englishman" is quite the minority some people perceive? Statistically the United kingdom is still mainly white if the sources I researched were correct.
I get your light hearted banter thing, but it can also wear thin even if it's allegedly just fun.
I joined the forces and was repeatedly subjected to sheep shagger, stupid farmboy references. All good natured and I'm sure I led to fight my corner but it wears thin.
People are wary of those arriving in their area who are different. It's not a white or English thing as you put it. It's just people...youre wither decent or you're not?"
I guess the military circles are a different ball game. Yes I understand that in that situation, may all wear a bit thin, but if its the career you wanted you'd bite the bullet and stick at it like you did. Its doesn't make it right or any better I know, however its banter that does happen up down the country. Never accept a cheque from a scouser or sheep references etc. I do wonder why these things still exhist in society within Britain. They must be past down in generations for them to keep going? Like why do people associat an area with sheep shaggers or con men.
I guess must have been tough in military, if as bad as you claim, well done for fighting your corner and sticking it out. Just bullies at end of day |
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