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"Just a quick question folks.
Is there a snse of anger or fear or hoplessnes in England at the moment?
What do people think will happenn next?"
If the government don't get their act together and allow police to do their job, allow parents to parent and teachers to discipline also then this will happen more frequently, eventually leading to the public making a stand against the looters themselves, maybe even civil war.
The government really need to get real. |
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Someone tweeted this afternoon... can't remember her name but some MP asked why all these youngsters weren't in school... erm... it's the summer holidays you dopey bint! I hope she's not the minister for education!!  |
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over a year ago
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"Someone tweeted this afternoon... can't remember her name but some MP asked why all these youngsters weren't in school... erm... it's the summer holidays you dopey bint! I hope she's not the minister for education!! "
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"Just a quick question folks.
Is there a snse of anger or fear or hoplessnes in England at the moment?
What do people think will happenn next?"
Anger certainly, most of it directed toward the vermin who did the rioting. How no one was burnt alive is an extreme slice of luck.
some anger toward the Politicians of all persuasions also.
Fear, not here but then again i doubt they will riot in this neck of the woods.
Hopelessness, never 'cos that is similar to giving in and letting the pond life win.
Hopefull that the trend of the last cpl of decades of 'wooly liberalism' will be re_iewed.
Humbled by the families of the 3 murdered guys in Brum.
Pride in how a lot of people across the 'spectrum' have responded.
As usual lessons to be learned, think there will be a move to the right as a knee jerk in the short term. |
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"Just a quick question folks.
Is there a snse of anger or fear or hoplessnes in England at the moment?
What do people think will happenn next?"
The sense of disempowerment, said to be one of the root causes, may have something to do with England being the only part of the UK not to have some sort of devolved government. |
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No one from the front bench...
Booking their hols I guess...
Curious panel...looked good on paper..didn`t deliver any illumination, other than knocking the simplistic hogwash into touch...
I thought Paddick came across as very balanced...and my ally by association Davies, who doesn`t like cctv either...scrap most of the ineffective shit and put bobbies on the beat.. |
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Love Camila Batmanghelidjh. Talking about people and what's actually happening in these communities instead of reading a dossier of "facts and figures" It's time MPs got their hands dirty. |
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It would be good to have a young peoples question time too to get their _iews across they are not all bad. A lot of it is frustration amongst the young they don't seem to have a voice. I do not condone any of the rioting. But with children living in poverty, school closures and cuts, student loans increasing take the student pickets a little while ago were they heard no prices still went up. There are a lot of angry youngsters and if they are not heard then the rioting will continue. This country is getting worse it is broken. And unless someone stands up and the government has to pay attention. We were unhappy under a Labour party and we had a hung Parliament when we voted last and they said the people would have a voice but we have not. Where are all our local mps they have gone back into hiding. Not one of the acting cabinet were on the panel on question time why is that. There are so many things that this government has to answer too. But when it comes down to it nobody has got a bloody clue. |
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"It would be good to have a young peoples question time too to get their _iews across they are not all bad. A lot of it is frustration amongst the young they don't seem to have a voice. I do not condone any of the rioting. But with children living in poverty, school closures and cuts, student loans increasing take the student pickets a little while ago were they heard no prices still went up. There are a lot of angry youngsters and if they are not heard then the rioting will continue. This country is getting worse it is broken. And unless someone stands up and the government has to pay attention. We were unhappy under a Labour party and we had a hung Parliament when we voted last and they said the people would have a voice but we have not. Where are all our local mps they have gone back into hiding. Not one of the acting cabinet were on the panel on question time why is that. There are so many things that this government has to answer too. But when it comes down to it nobody has got a bloody clue."
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By the way, there are no cabinet ministers on the panel people are pis**d! They saw what happened to Boris and Nick!  |
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"It would be good to have a young peoples question time too to get their _iews across they are not all bad. A lot of it is frustration amongst the young they don't seem to have a voice. I do not condone any of the rioting. But with children living in poverty, school closures and cuts, student loans increasing take the student pickets a little while ago were they heard no prices still went up. There are a lot of angry youngsters and if they are not heard then the rioting will continue. This country is getting worse it is broken. And unless someone stands up and the government has to pay attention. We were unhappy under a Labour party and we had a hung Parliament when we voted last and they said the people would have a voice but we have not. Where are all our local mps they have gone back into hiding. Not one of the acting cabinet were on the panel on question time why is that. There are so many things that this government has to answer too. But when it comes down to it nobody has got a bloody clue."
They have had Question Time fer kids ain`t they...myself and Shaz watched a few of them....to be honest they`re far more incisive and dynamic than most of the normal ones...definitely gloves off time...the kids wouldn`t accept any flannel...mixing erstwhile metaphors... |
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They have had previous ones yes around voting time but nothing regular only to get the young people to vote. But once the Government had their votes they washed their hands of them. It would be good if we had young peoples question time once a month so they can have their _iews. Not that it would make much difference. |
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They dare not have a youth Question Time...it would mean we would have to admit to ourselves that this 'Hoody' tribe exists.....we would prefer to carry on believing that they, and their problems will go away if we carry on pretending they don't actually live amongst us.
They are unpallatable to middle England, like the mentally handicapped offspring that used to get tucked away in an early 20th century asylum so that no-one would know about them....lest they embarrass the family.
Now we all have to face up to the facts that indeed they do exist, are a pest to our communities, and that there are underlying reasons that have stacked up to make them this way.
We have had a wake up call...time to address that. |
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Thing is....
There is more money spent on kids and by kids now then there was when i was growing up.
We didnt fit into the equasion unless it was school. end of.
Most didnt have loads of money going into communities, youth clubs,etc.
We literally had sod all and def no computers, bedrooms equipped with half hundred weight of electrical good, iphones, blackberrys...you name it...they got it.
most of our clothes were hand me downs, charity shop or hand made. One tv for the entire house and no central heating.
Toys were a luxury and so we made our own. stilts, gocarts, went biking on bikes my dad put together out of bits. got a little green net and we would be out for hrs trying to catch sticklebacks in a jam jar.
And no, im not talking dak ages here ok, i aint THAT old.
What we did have was good parenting on the whole, good morals and values and a work ethic. and a respect for our fellow man.
Those qualities which are so sadly lacking in todays society.
Thats the backbone of any country because without those, were no better than animals....
which has been shown on the streets of our cities.   |
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"They dare not have a youth Question Time...it would mean we would have to admit to ourselves that this 'Hoody' tribe exists.....we would prefer to carry on believing that they, and their problems will go away if we carry on pretending they don't actually live amongst us.
They are unpallatable to middle England, like the mentally handicapped offspring that used to get tucked away in an early 20th century asylum so that no-one would know about them....lest they embarrass the family.
Now we all have to face up to the facts that indeed they do exist, are a pest to our communities, and that there are underlying reasons that have stacked up to make them this way.
We have had a wake up call...time to address that."
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They were happy to let the police and teachers deal with these kids. Then the problem spilled out. They have to look long and hard now! |
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"Thing is....
There is more money spent on kids and by kids now then there was when i was growing up.
We didnt fit into the equasion unless it was school. end of.
Most didnt have loads of money going into communities, youth clubs,etc.
We literally had sod all and def no computers, bedrooms equipped with half hundred weight of electrical good, iphones, blackberrys...you name it...they got it.
most of our clothes were hand me downs, charity shop or hand made. One tv for the entire house and no central heating.
Toys were a luxury and so we made our own. stilts, gocarts, went biking on bikes my dad put together out of bits. got a little green net and we would be out for hrs trying to catch sticklebacks in a jam jar.
And no, im not talking dak ages here ok, i aint THAT old.
What we did have was good parenting on the whole, good morals and values and a work ethic. and a respect for our fellow man.
Those qualities which are so sadly lacking in todays society.
Thats the backbone of any country because without those, were no better than animals....
which has been shown on the streets of our cities. "
What you say has some truth...guess we`re mostly of the same generation..
But the landscape and culture is radically different..in so so many ways....reflected in the behaviour of its citizens... |
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Yes most children have more material stuff but is that what they really need. No they need guidance, morals, good schooling, good parents that show them boundaries and in general most children are amazing. They talk about the kids on the street during the riots where on earth were the parents. No Discipline asbos did not work they were a status symbol. Kids are not scared of punishment. Not scared of the police because as we have seen the police cant touch them or they get a little slap on the wrist. What ever happened to the local bobby on the street the one we all looked up to and respected gone are the days. |
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But.........
there aint nothing wrong in keeping and teaching the same values and decent moral standards .
thats whats wrong today, we have a generation that wouldnt know how to bloody spell it, let alone teach it.  |
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"But.........
there aint nothing wrong in keeping and teaching the same values and decent moral standards .
thats whats wrong today, we have a generation that wouldnt know how to bloody spell it, let alone teach it. "
No....you have sections of a generation that act in this way....not a whole generation.
And that is what half the problem is, too many people not prepared to give this generation half a chance because a small minority amongst them show signs of badness. |
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"But.........
there aint nothing wrong in keeping and teaching the same values and decent moral standards .
thats whats wrong today, we have a generation that wouldnt know how to bloody spell it, let alone teach it.
No....you have sections of a generation that act in this way....not a whole generation.
And that is what half the problem is, too many people not prepared to give this generation half a chance because a small minority amongst them show signs of badness."
Agree, think we all have dealt with both very decent clued up younger people and some that you just kinda feel in a way sorry for, blissfully clueless to the point its scarey how the hell they will get along in life, why is that ? |
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"Thing is....
There is more money spent on kids and by kids now then there was when i was growing up.
We didnt fit into the equasion unless it was school. end of.
Most didnt have loads of money going into communities, youth clubs,etc.
We literally had sod all and def no computers, bedrooms equipped with half hundred weight of electrical good, iphones, blackberrys...you name it...they got it.
most of our clothes were hand me downs, charity shop or hand made. One tv for the entire house and no central heating.
Toys were a luxury and so we made our own. stilts, gocarts, went biking on bikes my dad put together out of bits. got a little green net and we would be out for hrs trying to catch sticklebacks in a jam jar.
And no, im not talking dak ages here ok, i aint THAT old.
What we did have was good parenting on the whole, good morals and values and a work ethic. and a respect for our fellow man.
Those qualities which are so sadly lacking in todays society.
Thats the backbone of any country because without those, were no better than animals....
which has been shown on the streets of our cities. "
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Also the parents have to be responsible for their children also. Its a lack of respect now. I'm sorry but in my eyes the court of human rights have went to far in every aspect. |
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And yes it is the chance of a decent education..(some state schools are so shit, is it any wonder we see illiterate kids).and jobs..role models..ambition..opportunity....and something other than rampant materialism...
And a myriad other things....moral leadership fer one...discipline etc etc etc....
Its not a popular _iew, but one I`ll stand by.....some kids are born into a section of society, that adults have created, albeit by default....
Adults have the tools to deal with the symptoms and illness...to use Cameroons homily....
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There are those that no matter what you do or how much you try and help etc...that dont want it...dont need it and will ultimately shun it.
We gotta realise that a hell of a lot of those we saw looting, burning and doing whatever dont wanna change. they enjoy being with the gangs, being the bad bwoy,
you can only help those who start helping themselves |
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