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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
Are any of you people taking part in the boots boycott at all... with regard to their stance of not cutting the price of the morning after pill when most other retailers have complied with the request from the British pregnancy advisory service
I was thinking the amount of money I spend there is a fair bit |
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Boycott or not, it doesn't make a difference to my shopping habits. I buy my health and beauty products from other retailers who tend to be significantly cheaper. I might buy the odd meal deal in town occasionally though. I only really shopped at boots when I worked at their head office. Staff shop with a clearance section selling goods at ridiculously cheap prices, with 22.5% staff discount on top. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If Boots was the only outlet or just one of few then I could understand but it would appear that these pills are available virtually everywhere so no I won't be. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I will boycott them, surely it's better for a female to get the morning after pill than have an abortion later on. I think the females who would use it irresponsibly would be few and could get it elsewhere cheaper anyway. XXX |
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"What a shame Boots is taking this stance. Especially as they are one of the few remaining traditional British high street names."
They may be a traditional British name but haven't been British owned for many years like most other old British companies.
Their head office here in Nottingham used to be the main manufacturing site too. The old factories are still there but are, in the most part, disused and neglected. They are listed buildings so they can't demolish them.
During the second world war the factories made gas masks. In the 1980's and 90's dozens of local elderly ladies were diagnosed with asbestos related diseases due to there work at boots during the war. The company denied all knowledge of their war work and tried to block any efforts by these ladies to get compensation.
How do i know this? Because my grandmother was one of them. The inquest into her death took over 3 years because boots wouldn't cooperate with the coroners office!
Just because a company has a good reputation doesn't mean they are a respectable company. |
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"What a shame Boots is taking this stance. Especially as they are one of the few remaining traditional British high street names.
They may be a traditional British name but haven't been British owned for many years like most other old British companies.
Their head office here in Nottingham used to be the main manufacturing site too. The old factories are still there but are, in the most part, disused and neglected. They are listed buildings so they can't demolish them.
During the second world war the factories made gas masks. In the 1980's and 90's dozens of local elderly ladies were diagnosed with asbestos related diseases due to there work at boots during the war. The company denied all knowledge of their war work and tried to block any efforts by these ladies to get compensation.
How do i know this? Because my grandmother was one of them. The inquest into her death took over 3 years because boots wouldn't cooperate with the coroners office!
Just because a company has a good reputation doesn't mean they are a respectable company."
I am shocked by this. How appalling. |
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The news says they charge £28 for it including a private consultation with the pharmacist.
Or, its available free at an nhs walk in centre or sexual health clinic.
Personally, I don't see the boycott worthines of that.
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"The news says they charge £28 for it including a private consultation with the pharmacist.
Or, its available free at an nhs walk in centre or sexual health clinic.
Personally, I don't see the boycott worthines of that.
MrB"
It's a contextual and values issue.
Other pharmacies have made big reductions to their prices but Boots won't. It's more important to make maximum profit per pill. Other posts explain how they're potentially less than the wholesome company of old. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The news says they charge £28 for it including a private consultation with the pharmacist.
Or, its available free at an nhs walk in centre or sexual health clinic.
Personally, I don't see the boycott worthines of that.
MrB
It's a contextual and values issue.
Other pharmacies have made big reductions to their prices but Boots won't. It's more important to make maximum profit per pill. Other posts explain how they're potentially less than the wholesome company of old. "
personally I think boots not lowering the price is bang on. In all honesty we live in a generation were kids of today think "oh it's ok I'll get myself into a mess, the taxpayer can get me out of it" wether it's a free morning after pill. Or 18 years worth of child tax credits. They don't take responsibility anymore |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Here's a thought.....
Take responsibility for contraception in the first place.
I understand there will be certain scenarios where it'll be needed in an emergency situation, but as has been said, it's available cheaper elsewhere.
I can't see what all the fuss is about. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So what if the only chemists near someone is a boots ? "
as dirty said
Only time I think it should be free or discounted, is when someone's been sexually assaulted |
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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago
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"So what if the only chemists near someone is a boots ?
Yeah right, as if!  "
Surprisingly, it can happen. In recent years, I have worked in rural areas where Boots branches were up to 20 miles away. Just because it is a "Nationally" recognised company doesn't mean it has branches everywhere! |
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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago
Best Greggs in Cheshire East |
"Are any of you people taking part in the boots boycott at all... with regard to their stance of not cutting the price of the morning after pill when most other retailers have complied with the request from the British pregnancy advisory service
I was thinking the amount of money I spend there is a fair bit "
Add this to many reasons to boycott boots. |
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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago
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"The news says they charge £28 for it including a private consultation with the pharmacist.
Or, its available free at an nhs walk in centre or sexual health clinic.
Personally, I don't see the boycott worthines of that.
MrB
It's a contextual and values issue.
Other pharmacies have made big reductions to their prices but Boots won't. It's more important to make maximum profit per pill. Other posts explain how they're potentially less than the wholesome company of old.
personally I think boots not lowering the price is bang on. In all honesty we live in a generation were kids of today think "oh it's ok I'll get myself into a mess, the taxpayer can get me out of it" wether it's a free morning after pill. Or 18 years worth of child tax credits. They don't take responsibility anymore "
Facepalm. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Are any of you people taking part in the boots boycott at all... with regard to their stance of not cutting the price of the morning after pill when most other retailers have complied with the request from the British pregnancy advisory service
I was thinking the amount of money I spend there is a fair bit "
Well done mate 
Well you may have played a small part... as they now have apologised and backed down on this  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Unfortunately, it's very easy to go down the route of feeling responsibility lies with those needing the pill in the first place. However, accidents happen, GPS are becoming less accessible as are walk-in-clinics due to funding cuts.
£28 is a lot of money to some. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Unfortunately, it's very easy to go down the route of feeling responsibility lies with those needing the pill in the first place. However, accidents happen, GPS are becoming less accessible as are walk-in-clinics due to funding cuts.
£28 is a lot of money to some. "
Any of us can go into a chemist to get a free blood pressure consultation now.
So I think this make sense....why have a child born into this world that is unwanted. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"How much was it?
I think 28 quid
And what's it gone down to?
Free in the majority of their outlets
Blimy. So are they selling it at a loss now?"
Pill costs coppers and they can claim a fee for the consultation off the NHS no doubt. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Unfortunately, it's very easy to go down the route of feeling responsibility lies with those needing the pill in the first place. However, accidents happen, GPS are becoming less accessible as are walk-in-clinics due to funding cuts.
£28 is a lot of money to some.
Any of us can go into a chemist to get a free blood pressure consultation now.
So I think this make sense....why have a child born into this world that is unwanted."
I think this would be the choice some make. Pay £28 or take the chance.
Although, it is my understanding that it's free if a pharmacist prescribes it, but I'm not sure if that's everywhere and how accessible it is as not all staff at a pharmacy are necessarily pharmacists. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Unfortunately, it's very easy to go down the route of feeling responsibility lies with those needing the pill in the first place. However, accidents happen, GPS are becoming less accessible as are walk-in-clinics due to funding cuts.
£28 is a lot of money to some.
Any of us can go into a chemist to get a free blood pressure consultation now.
So I think this make sense....why have a child born into this world that is unwanted.
I think this would be the choice some make. Pay £28 or take the chance.
Although, it is my understanding that it's free if a pharmacist prescribes it, but I'm not sure if that's everywhere and how accessible it is as not all staff at a pharmacy are necessarily pharmacists."
I think you will find someone on a lower pay scale then the chemist will do the consultation. ...which will no doubt be a few questions...then the chemist will issues this |
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"How much was it?
I think 28 quid
And what's it gone down to?
Free in the majority of their outlets
Blimy. So are they selling it at a loss now?
Pill costs coppers and they can claim a fee for the consultation off the NHS no doubt."
Ok so we all pay. Great. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"How much was it?
I think 28 quid
And what's it gone down to?
Free in the majority of their outlets
Blimy. So are they selling it at a loss now?
Pill costs coppers and they can claim a fee for the consultation off the NHS no doubt.
Ok so we all pay. Great."
Sooner pay for a child that's not wanted? I think that would not cost coppers  |
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"How much was it?
I think 28 quid
And what's it gone down to?
Free in the majority of their outlets
Blimy. So are they selling it at a loss now?
Pill costs coppers and they can claim a fee for the consultation off the NHS no doubt.
Ok so we all pay. Great.
Sooner pay for a child that's not wanted? I think that would not cost coppers "
Yeah, you're right. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"How much was it?
I think 28 quid
And what's it gone down to?
Free in the majority of their outlets
Blimy. So are they selling it at a loss now?
Pill costs coppers and they can claim a fee for the consultation off the NHS no doubt.
Ok so we all pay. Great.
Sooner pay for a child that's not wanted? I think that would not cost coppers
Yeah, you're right. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"How much was it?
I think 28 quid
And what's it gone down to?
Free in the majority of their outlets
Blimy. So are they selling it at a loss now?
Pill costs coppers and they can claim a fee for the consultation off the NHS no doubt.
Ok so we all pay. Great."
£28 is a tiny drop in the ocean compared to the huge costs that are paid out for things within the NHS. Plus, the cost charged would be much lower. |
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"How much was it?
I think 28 quid
And what's it gone down to?
Free in the majority of their outlets
Blimy. So are they selling it at a loss now?
Pill costs coppers and they can claim a fee for the consultation off the NHS no doubt.
Ok so we all pay. Great.
£28 is a tiny drop in the ocean compared to the huge costs that are paid out for things within the NHS. Plus, the cost charged would be much lower."
Yeah i just get pissed off paying for 4 prescriptions every month just because i choose to work for a living. |
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I've had to use levonelle just under 2 years ago. My ex-partner and I went to the pharmacy together after a condom split as I wasn't using any other form of contraception at the time.
It can only be issued by a pharmacist. When we went to the pharmacy she was on a break andwwe had to wait for her to come back so I could have the consultation - nobody else was qualified to do it. The consultation takes about 20 minutes or so and there are lots of questions they ask you and they tell you about possible side effects etc.
Taking the pill is the easy part. For me it actually delayed my period and I was terrified it hadn't worked. When my period did arrive it was the worst one I've ever had. Very heavy bleeding, severe cramps and lasted longer too.
It was very unpleasant and I had no wish to experience it again, hence why I had a coil fitted soon afterwards.
The morning after pill is far from an easy option but it is essential for people to be able to access it easily. The sexual health clinics around here are very difficult to get an appointment and time is of the essence when it comes to emergency contraception. The sooner you take it the more likely it is to work. |
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By *lue NarwhalMan
over a year ago
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"What a shame Boots is taking this stance. Especially as they are one of the few remaining traditional British high street names.
They may be a traditional British name but haven't been British owned for many years like most other old British companies.
Their head office here in Nottingham used to be the main manufacturing site too. The old factories are still there but are, in the most part, disused and neglected. They are listed buildings so they can't demolish them.
During the second world war the factories made gas masks. In the 1980's and 90's dozens of local elderly ladies were diagnosed with asbestos related diseases due to there work at boots during the war. The company denied all knowledge of their war work and tried to block any efforts by these ladies to get compensation.
How do i know this? Because my grandmother was one of them. The inquest into her death took over 3 years because boots wouldn't cooperate with the coroners office!
Just because a company has a good reputation doesn't mean they are a respectable company.
I am shocked by this. How appalling."
During the war, many British manufacturers changed production to an item needed for the war effort.
Many of those manufacturers had very little idea of what they were using in the production process with materials being sourced from America and the British colonies..
Unfortunately your experience isn't an uncommon one, many people lost their health due to a need for dangerous chemicals and materials to bolster the British armed forces.
Phosphine poisoning, heavy metal poisoning, industrial incidents and death were common place at that time, but people were being killed in bombing raids and fighting in foreign fields, so the occasional death or dangerous incident was usually overlooked as people had become almost blasé to death.
Today we understand the risk asbestos poses but even in the 60's it was still widely used by people not wearing and protective equipment.
It wasn't that people were ignorant to the risks, just those risks were not fully understood.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"How much was it?
I think 28 quid
And what's it gone down to?
Free in the majority of their outlets
Blimy. So are they selling it at a loss now?
Pill costs coppers and they can claim a fee for the consultation off the NHS no doubt.
Ok so we all pay. Great.
£28 is a tiny drop in the ocean compared to the huge costs that are paid out for things within the NHS. Plus, the cost charged would be much lower.
Yeah i just get pissed off paying for 4 prescriptions every month just because i choose to work for a living. "
The prescription charges are actually amazing considering some drugs are very high cost. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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In a grumpy mood so I will be blunt.
We like in a country which permits us to have a lot more free will and a standards of living far better than others. There is access to whatever you want and more so with Internet shopping. It's a free economy so if they want to charge what they want and you disagree then don't shop there. They do not have a monopoly on it unlike Microsoft and apple but I bet a lot of you buy iPhone or ipads. If you boycott one you have to look at where else you buy...including amazon |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"How much was it?
I think 28 quid
And what's it gone down to?
Free in the majority of their outlets
Blimy. So are they selling it at a loss now?
Pill costs coppers and they can claim a fee for the consultation off the NHS no doubt.
Ok so we all pay. Great.
£28 is a tiny drop in the ocean compared to the huge costs that are paid out for things within the NHS. Plus, the cost charged would be much lower.
Yeah i just get pissed off paying for 4 prescriptions every month just because i choose to work for a living. "
But the two aren't related . This is nothing to do with people who work or don't |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In a grumpy mood so I will be blunt.
We like in a country which permits us to have a lot more free will and a standards of living far better than others. There is access to whatever you want and more so with Internet shopping. It's a free economy so if they want to charge what they want and you disagree then don't shop there. They do not have a monopoly on it unlike Microsoft and apple but I bet a lot of you buy iPhone or ipads. If you boycott one you have to look at where else you buy...including amazon"
And by boots quick change of mind it's obvious they thought people would not shop there Mr grumpy  |
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"Boots is the only pharmacy in my town. I have no choice otherwise yes I would be boycotting. That doesn't being said all I get there is my prescriptions which are free anyway."
As would the morning after pill, if you'd been to the GP for it. Boots only charge when someone rolls up out of the blue and wants to buy it over the counter. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Boots is the only pharmacy in my town. I have no choice otherwise yes I would be boycotting. That doesn't being said all I get there is my prescriptions which are free anyway.
As would the morning after pill, if you'd been to the GP for it. Boots only charge when someone rolls up out of the blue and wants to buy it over the
counter."
Superdrug manage to do it for a fiver this way and still make money.
I think this was more abouts boots making a morality statement....when it was all about maximising profits. |
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"I wonder what other advice for running their business the pc brigade has
What's this got to do with being 'pc'"
People on the right don't feel entitled to tell private companies how to run their businesses. By all means vote with your feet but there's no logic here. It makes perfect sense to place a price premium on goods that are bought as the result of a compelling event. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I wonder what other advice for running their business the pc brigade has
What's this got to do with being 'pc'
People on the right don't feel entitled to tell private companies how to run their businesses. By all means vote with your feet but there's no logic here. It makes perfect sense to place a price premium on goods that are bought as the result of a compelling event. "
I still don't see how people not on the 'right ' thinking they can influence a corporations policies is being 'pc' |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I wonder what other advice for running their business the pc brigade has
But they listened in the end eh
The end justifies the means then? "
In this case obviously. ....my last comment to you on this as I find you pretty obnoxious. |
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"Boots is the only pharmacy in my town. I have no choice otherwise yes I would be boycotting. That doesn't being said all I get there is my prescriptions which are free anyway.
As would the morning after pill, if you'd been to the GP for it. Boots only charge when someone rolls up out of the blue and wants to buy it over the counter."
Try getting a GP appointment within 3 days? Never happen here. |
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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
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"I wonder what other advice for running their business the pc brigade has
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the problem i had was two fold....
1) they were charging £28 pounds for a product where tescos and superdrug agreed with the request being made by the british pregnancy service and dropped their prices for the same product to £14 pounds.....
(you can get it in most EU countries for approx 5 pounds... but thats another subject, sexual health clinics and nhs drop in centres in certain circumstances do give them free of charge)
2) the response made by boots was in effect a moralistic one, saying that a drop in price would lead to people taking more risks...... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I wonder what other advice for running their business the pc brigade has
What's this got to do with being 'pc'
People on the right don't feel entitled to tell private companies how to run their businesses. By all means vote with your feet but there's no logic here. It makes perfect sense to place a price premium on goods that are bought as the result of a compelling event. "
Boots was uncompetitive in relation to other retailers. Boots adjusted its price in line with other retailers.
That's the free market, not the 'pc brigade' |
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"I wonder what other advice for running their business the pc brigade has
the problem i had was two fold....
1) they were charging £28 pounds for a product where tescos and superdrug agreed with the request being made by the british pregnancy service and dropped their prices for the same product to £14 pounds.....
(you can get it in most EU countries for approx 5 pounds... but thats another subject, sexual health clinics and nhs drop in centres in certain circumstances do give them free of charge)
2) the response made by boots was in effect a moralistic one, saying that a drop in price would lead to people taking more risks......"
Meat in Sainsburys is more than meat in asda, is anyone calling to boycott Sainsbury's?
Furthermore, then evidence shows that people do take more health risks the lower the cost of healthcare. Whilst i doubt £28 is going to have much effect, it doesn't sound like a factually incorrect statement to me? |
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"I wonder what other advice for running their business the pc brigade has
What's this got to do with being 'pc'
People on the right don't feel entitled to tell private companies how to run their businesses. By all means vote with your feet but there's no logic here. It makes perfect sense to place a price premium on goods that are bought as the result of a compelling event.
Boots was uncompetitive in relation to other retailers. Boots adjusted its price in line with other retailers.
That's the free market, not the 'pc brigade'"
So why are people calling to boycott them then? |
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"I wonder what other advice for running their business the pc brigade has
What's this got to do with being 'pc'
People on the right don't feel entitled to tell private companies how to run their businesses. By all means vote with your feet but there's no logic here. It makes perfect sense to place a price premium on goods that are bought as the result of a compelling event.
Boots was uncompetitive in relation to other retailers. Boots adjusted its price in line with other retailers.
That's the free market, not the 'pc brigade'
So why are people calling to boycott them then? "
The boycott is over, Boots backed down. Keep up |
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I won't be boycotting for this. I don't shop in Boots as they wanted to charge me £23 for 100 ferrous sulphate tablets. After I finished laughing in the pharmacist face I turned on my heels.
My local independent pharmacy sold them for £3.99. I get them from Amazon now for less than that.
Boots can charge what they want for their products. If other retailers want to charge less, good for them...as that's where I'll shop, but I don't need someone to tell me I shouldn't shop somewhere because... |
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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago
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"I wonder what other advice for running their business the pc brigade has
the problem i had was two fold....
1) they were charging £28 pounds for a product where tescos and superdrug agreed with the request being made by the british pregnancy service and dropped their prices for the same product to £14 pounds.....
(you can get it in most EU countries for approx 5 pounds... but thats another subject, sexual health clinics and nhs drop in centres in certain circumstances do give them free of charge)
2) the response made by boots was in effect a moralistic one, saying that a drop in price would lead to people taking more risks......
Meat in Sainsburys is more than meat in asda, is anyone calling to boycott Sainsbury's?
Furthermore, then evidence shows that people do take more health risks the lower the cost of healthcare. Whilst i doubt £28 is going to have much effect, it doesn't sound like a factually incorrect statement to me? "
because the price of meat doesn't effect anyone socially?
contraception does. taxes can pay for the price of contraception, or it can pay more with an abortion at some later point, or it can pay for a child for at least 17 yrs.
and no i'm not presuming anyone needing the pills is on benefits, but the NHS, schools, and tax credits cost money.
it's more beneficial to stop problems at the easiest and most cost effective point. |
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"The news says they charge £28 for it including a private consultation with the pharmacist.
Or, its available free at an nhs walk in centre or sexual health clinic.
Personally, I don't see the boycott worthines of that.
MrB
It's a contextual and values issue.
Other pharmacies have made big reductions to their prices but Boots won't. It's more important to make maximum profit per pill. Other posts explain how they're potentially less than the wholesome company of old.
personally I think boots not lowering the price is bang on. In all honesty we live in a generation were kids of today think "oh it's ok I'll get myself into a mess, the taxpayer can get me out of it" wether it's a free morning after pill. Or 18 years worth of child tax credits. They don't take responsibility anymore "
Couldn't agree me. |
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"I wonder what other advice for running their business the pc brigade has
the problem i had was two fold....
1) they were charging £28 pounds for a product where tescos and superdrug agreed with the request being made by the british pregnancy service and dropped their prices for the same product to £14 pounds.....
(you can get it in most EU countries for approx 5 pounds... but thats another subject, sexual health clinics and nhs drop in centres in certain circumstances do give them free of charge)
2) the response made by boots was in effect a moralistic one, saying that a drop in price would lead to people taking more risks......
Meat in Sainsburys is more than meat in asda, is anyone calling to boycott Sainsbury's?
Furthermore, then evidence shows that people do take more health risks the lower the cost of healthcare. Whilst i doubt £28 is going to have much effect, it doesn't sound like a factually incorrect statement to me?
because the price of meat doesn't effect anyone socially?
contraception does. taxes can pay for the price of contraception, or it can pay more with an abortion at some later point, or it can pay for a child for at least 17 yrs.
and no i'm not presuming anyone needing the pills is on benefits, but the NHS, schools, and tax credits cost money.
it's more beneficial to stop problems at the easiest and most cost effective point."
So basically the taxpayer should be held to ransom because they are eventually on the hook to bail people out of irresponsible behaviour?
That would explain how a country racks up £1.9tn of debt actually. |
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"boots are entitled to charge what they like for goods. Could have been handled better but thats big firms for you"
I would tend to agree- this particular product is widely available for consumers, at no cost at all, or lower cost, elsewhere. I won't be boycotting. |
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"I wonder what other advice for running their business the pc brigade has
the problem i had was two fold....
1) they were charging £28 pounds for a product where tescos and superdrug agreed with the request being made by the british pregnancy service and dropped their prices for the same product to £14 pounds.....
(you can get it in most EU countries for approx 5 pounds... but thats another subject, sexual health clinics and nhs drop in centres in certain circumstances do give them free of charge)
2) the response made by boots was in effect a moralistic one, saying that a drop in price would lead to people taking more risks......
Meat in Sainsburys is more than meat in asda, is anyone calling to boycott Sainsbury's?
Furthermore, then evidence shows that people do take more health risks the lower the cost of healthcare. Whilst i doubt £28 is going to have much effect, it doesn't sound like a factually incorrect statement to me?
because the price of meat doesn't effect anyone socially?
contraception does. taxes can pay for the price of contraception, or it can pay more with an abortion at some later point, or it can pay for a child for at least 17 yrs.
and no i'm not presuming anyone needing the pills is on benefits, but the NHS, schools, and tax credits cost money.
it's more beneficial to stop problems at the easiest and most cost effective point.
So basically the taxpayer should be held to ransom because they are eventually on the hook to bail people out of irresponsible behaviour?
That would explain how a country racks up £1.9tn of debt actually. "
Yeah its those bloody people driving up the costs of having a government!
Imagine how cheaply the country would rub if there was nobody in it at all
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By *orum TrollWoman
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"I wonder what other advice for running their business the pc brigade has
the problem i had was two fold....
1) they were charging £28 pounds for a product where tescos and superdrug agreed with the request being made by the british pregnancy service and dropped their prices for the same product to £14 pounds.....
(you can get it in most EU countries for approx 5 pounds... but thats another subject, sexual health clinics and nhs drop in centres in certain circumstances do give them free of charge)
2) the response made by boots was in effect a moralistic one, saying that a drop in price would lead to people taking more risks......
Meat in Sainsburys is more than meat in asda, is anyone calling to boycott Sainsbury's?
Furthermore, then evidence shows that people do take more health risks the lower the cost of healthcare. Whilst i doubt £28 is going to have much effect, it doesn't sound like a factually incorrect statement to me?
because the price of meat doesn't effect anyone socially?
contraception does. taxes can pay for the price of contraception, or it can pay more with an abortion at some later point, or it can pay for a child for at least 17 yrs.
and no i'm not presuming anyone needing the pills is on benefits, but the NHS, schools, and tax credits cost money.
it's more beneficial to stop problems at the easiest and most cost effective point.
So basically the taxpayer should be held to ransom because they are eventually on the hook to bail people out of irresponsible behaviour?
That would explain how a country racks up £1.9tn of debt actually. "
well yeah basically, coz every single person in the UK is a tax payer so we're all paying for everything collectively anyway.
so why not pay towards keeping unwanted children from being born? i see a lot more issues with them being born personally and none of them involve money really, but would cost you a whole lot more anyway.
taking an after pill is being responsible too. being poor is another issue coz no way do we have a fair wage for all people, if we did there'd be no need to pay tax credits. |
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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
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this is what boots originally said, that basically sparked this entire conversation....
“In our experience the subject of emergency hormonal contraception polarises public opinion and we receive frequent contact from individuals who voice their disapproval of the fact that the company chooses to provide this service.
“We would not want to be accused of incentivising inappropriate use, and provoking complaints, by significantly reducing the price of this product.”
it was that 2nd part that basically got them into trouble.....
but i do find it interesting that both tesco's and superdrug did agree with the request.... but boots didn't |
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By *orum TrollWoman
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"But the morning after pill is widely available for absolutely nothing, 3sum queen..."
some have pointed out they can't get a dr appointment in 3 days or they have nothing local but a boots.
i know our family planning clinic here is only open once a week as well (we only have the one). |
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"I wonder what other advice for running their business the pc brigade has
the problem i had was two fold....
1) they were charging £28 pounds for a product where tescos and superdrug agreed with the request being made by the british pregnancy service and dropped their prices for the same product to £14 pounds.....
(you can get it in most EU countries for approx 5 pounds... but thats another subject, sexual health clinics and nhs drop in centres in certain circumstances do give them free of charge)
2) the response made by boots was in effect a moralistic one, saying that a drop in price would lead to people taking more risks......
Meat in Sainsburys is more than meat in asda, is anyone calling to boycott Sainsbury's?
Furthermore, then evidence shows that people do take more health risks the lower the cost of healthcare. Whilst i doubt £28 is going to have much effect, it doesn't sound like a factually incorrect statement to me?
because the price of meat doesn't effect anyone socially?
contraception does. taxes can pay for the price of contraception, or it can pay more with an abortion at some later point, or it can pay for a child for at least 17 yrs.
and no i'm not presuming anyone needing the pills is on benefits, but the NHS, schools, and tax credits cost money.
it's more beneficial to stop problems at the easiest and most cost effective point.
So basically the taxpayer should be held to ransom because they are eventually on the hook to bail people out of irresponsible behaviour?
That would explain how a country racks up £1.9tn of debt actually.
well yeah basically, coz every single person in the UK is a tax payer so we're all paying for everything collectively anyway.
so why not pay towards keeping unwanted children from being born? i see a lot more issues with them being born personally and none of them involve money really, but would cost you a whole lot more anyway.
taking an after pill is being responsible too. being poor is another issue coz no way do we have a fair wage for all people, if we did there'd be no need to pay tax credits."
You're arguement would follow if we were all paying roughly equal taxes. |
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3sum queen- I don't understand why people can't make a phone call appointment, an emergency appointment, or an appointment with the nurse at their surgery, if they are unable to get a standard doctor appointment. And that's just at your local surgery! The sexual health and walk in clinics are also able to provide them for free. In addition to that- if you don't have another pharmacy locally- can you not get the bus to the next town or village? We don't exactly live in such a big country that we can't get from a to b if we want to!! |
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By *orum TrollWoman
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"I wonder what other advice for running their business the pc brigade has
the problem i had was two fold....
1) they were charging £28 pounds for a product where tescos and superdrug agreed with the request being made by the british pregnancy service and dropped their prices for the same product to £14 pounds.....
(you can get it in most EU countries for approx 5 pounds... but thats another subject, sexual health clinics and nhs drop in centres in certain circumstances do give them free of charge)
2) the response made by boots was in effect a moralistic one, saying that a drop in price would lead to people taking more risks......
Meat in Sainsburys is more than meat in asda, is anyone calling to boycott Sainsbury's?
Furthermore, then evidence shows that people do take more health risks the lower the cost of healthcare. Whilst i doubt £28 is going to have much effect, it doesn't sound like a factually incorrect statement to me?
because the price of meat doesn't effect anyone socially?
contraception does. taxes can pay for the price of contraception, or it can pay more with an abortion at some later point, or it can pay for a child for at least 17 yrs.
and no i'm not presuming anyone needing the pills is on benefits, but the NHS, schools, and tax credits cost money.
it's more beneficial to stop problems at the easiest and most cost effective point.
So basically the taxpayer should be held to ransom because they are eventually on the hook to bail people out of irresponsible behaviour?
That would explain how a country racks up £1.9tn of debt actually.
well yeah basically, coz every single person in the UK is a tax payer so we're all paying for everything collectively anyway.
so why not pay towards keeping unwanted children from being born? i see a lot more issues with them being born personally and none of them involve money really, but would cost you a whole lot more anyway.
taking an after pill is being responsible too. being poor is another issue coz no way do we have a fair wage for all people, if we did there'd be no need to pay tax credits.
You're arguement would follow if we were all paying roughly equal taxes. "
equal taxes arguments will never apply in a world where we are not paid equally. |
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"Here's a thought.....
Take responsibility for contraception in the first place.
I understand there will be certain scenarios where it'll be needed in an emergency situation, but as has been said, it's available cheaper elsewhere.
I can't see what all the fuss is about."
Their initial stance was arrogant and sexist, which inflamed me. And their businesses for these drugs and others is propped up by the taxpayer.
Thankfully they have since realized how they insulted the public and backtracked. |
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"I wonder what other advice for running their business the pc brigade has
the problem i had was two fold....
1) they were charging £28 pounds for a product where tescos and superdrug agreed with the request being made by the british pregnancy service and dropped their prices for the same product to £14 pounds.....
(you can get it in most EU countries for approx 5 pounds... but thats another subject, sexual health clinics and nhs drop in centres in certain circumstances do give them free of charge)
2) the response made by boots was in effect a moralistic one, saying that a drop in price would lead to people taking more risks......
Meat in Sainsburys is more than meat in asda, is anyone calling to boycott Sainsbury's?
Furthermore, then evidence shows that people do take more health risks the lower the cost of healthcare. Whilst i doubt £28 is going to have much effect, it doesn't sound like a factually incorrect statement to me?
because the price of meat doesn't effect anyone socially?
contraception does. taxes can pay for the price of contraception, or it can pay more with an abortion at some later point, or it can pay for a child for at least 17 yrs.
and no i'm not presuming anyone needing the pills is on benefits, but the NHS, schools, and tax credits cost money.
it's more beneficial to stop problems at the easiest and most cost effective point.
So basically the taxpayer should be held to ransom because they are eventually on the hook to bail people out of irresponsible behaviour?
That would explain how a country racks up £1.9tn of debt actually.
well yeah basically, coz every single person in the UK is a tax payer so we're all paying for everything collectively anyway.
so why not pay towards keeping unwanted children from being born? i see a lot more issues with them being born personally and none of them involve money really, but would cost you a whole lot more anyway.
taking an after pill is being responsible too. being poor is another issue coz no way do we have a fair wage for all people, if we did there'd be no need to pay tax credits.
You're arguement would follow if we were all paying roughly equal taxes.
equal taxes arguments will never apply in a world where we are not paid equally. "
Those societies have been tried, they didn't work out well. |
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By *orum TrollWoman
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"3sum queen- I don't understand why people can't make a phone call appointment, an emergency appointment, or an appointment with the nurse at their surgery, if they are unable to get a standard doctor appointment. And that's just at your local surgery! The sexual health and walk in clinics are also able to provide them for free. In addition to that- if you don't have another pharmacy locally- can you not get the bus to the next town or village? We don't exactly live in such a big country that we can't get from a to b if we want to!! "
we don't have them here. there is one family planning clinic that does contraception, it's open once a week. i live in hicksville, all our services got cut since the coalition goverment and have just gone. and i mean all, mental health, addiction, child help, disability help, all of it just gone. a&e is still open but only at certain times as well, they wanted to close it altogether as it's under funded but protestors helped to keep it open part time.
drs isn't too bed here now but i know it's been crap previously and i have phoned like 3 days in a row myself, on the last day when they say no appointments call tomorrow i tell them they said the two days before and they had nothing then so can they sort me something for today (they usually do). there's only a nurse at my drs on tues mornings and that is it, although other surgeries have them full time round here, if it is ok to see them then that info should be out there. we've no walk in clinic either.
some places are just shit now (and maybe always were) and everything now will cost money to travel to for anyone here basically. |
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"3sum queen- I don't understand why people can't make a phone call appointment, an emergency appointment, or an appointment with the nurse at their surgery, if they are unable to get a standard doctor appointment. And that's just at your local surgery! The sexual health and walk in clinics are also able to provide them for free. In addition to that- if you don't have another pharmacy locally- can you not get the bus to the next town or village? We don't exactly live in such a big country that we can't get from a to b if we want to!! "
This wasn't directed to me but many people live with fewer options than many others -
location induced restrictions on facilities, including public transport
Financial resources
Extreme remoteness
Plus some people have availability issues, from employment, family and relationships
Boots chose to keep their prices opportunistically high, to fatten their revenue stream. At the sign that their revenue was then under threat, they reduced prices to a still healthily profitable level.
The easy assumption to make is that we all have similar choices and freedoms in life but there are many who face tougher times and this type of chemist and product offers a fairly reasonable compromise option against unwanted pregnancies. |
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"3sum queen- I don't understand why people can't make a phone call appointment, an emergency appointment, or an appointment with the nurse at their surgery, if they are unable to get a standard doctor appointment. And that's just at your local surgery! The sexual health and walk in clinics are also able to provide them for free. In addition to that- if you don't have another pharmacy locally- can you not get the bus to the next town or village? We don't exactly live in such a big country that we can't get from a to b if we want to!!
This wasn't directed to me but many people live with fewer options than many others -
location induced restrictions on facilities, including public transport
Financial resources
Extreme remoteness
Plus some people have availability issues, from employment, family and relationships
Boots chose to keep their prices opportunistically high, to fatten their revenue stream. At the sign that their revenue was then under threat, they reduced prices to a still healthily profitable level.
The easy assumption to make is that we all have similar choices and freedoms in life but there are many who face tougher times and this type of chemist and product offers a fairly reasonable compromise option against unwanted pregnancies. "
That's a perfectly reasonable response- I will admit I have always lived in large towns or cities, so have no experience of living in places that are remote, or that do not provide good health services to those who live there. |
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"I wonder what other advice for running their business the pc brigade has
the problem i had was two fold....
1) they were charging £28 pounds for a product where tescos and superdrug agreed with the request being made by the british pregnancy service and dropped their prices for the same product to £14 pounds.....
(you can get it in most EU countries for approx 5 pounds... but thats another subject, sexual health clinics and nhs drop in centres in certain circumstances do give them free of charge)
2) the response made by boots was in effect a moralistic one, saying that a drop in price would lead to people taking more risks......
Meat in Sainsburys is more than meat in asda, is anyone calling to boycott Sainsbury's?
Furthermore, then evidence shows that people do take more health risks the lower the cost of healthcare. Whilst i doubt £28 is going to have much effect, it doesn't sound like a factually incorrect statement to me?
because the price of meat doesn't effect anyone socially?
contraception does. taxes can pay for the price of contraception, or it can pay more with an abortion at some later point, or it can pay for a child for at least 17 yrs.
and no i'm not presuming anyone needing the pills is on benefits, but the NHS, schools, and tax credits cost money.
it's more beneficial to stop problems at the easiest and most cost effective point.
So basically the taxpayer should be held to ransom because they are eventually on the hook to bail people out of irresponsible behaviour?
That would explain how a country racks up £1.9tn of debt actually.
well yeah basically, coz every single person in the UK is a tax payer so we're all paying for everything collectively anyway.
so why not pay towards keeping unwanted children from being born? i see a lot more issues with them being born personally and none of them involve money really, but would cost you a whole lot more anyway.
taking an after pill is being responsible too. being poor is another issue coz no way do we have a fair wage for all people, if we did there'd be no need to pay tax credits.
You're arguement would follow if we were all paying roughly equal taxes.
equal taxes arguments will never apply in a world where we are not paid equally.
Those societies have been tried, they didn't work out well. "
Neoliberals: politics is over, express yourself through the market place.
Leftists: ok i'll boycott boots
Neoliberals: Arrest this man
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successful collective bargaining in action innit .... it's capitalism's fundamental flaw, that capitalism can be used to defeat capitalism ... oh the irony |
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"successful collective bargaining in action innit .... it's capitalism's fundamental flaw, that capitalism can be used to defeat capitalism ... oh the irony "
Good init |
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"I wonder what other advice for running their business the pc brigade has
the problem i had was two fold....
1) they were charging £28 pounds for a product where tescos and superdrug agreed with the request being made by the british pregnancy service and dropped their prices for the same product to £14 pounds.....
(you can get it in most EU countries for approx 5 pounds... but thats another subject, sexual health clinics and nhs drop in centres in certain circumstances do give them free of charge)
2) the response made by boots was in effect a moralistic one, saying that a drop in price would lead to people taking more risks......
Meat in Sainsburys is more than meat in asda, is anyone calling to boycott Sainsbury's?
Furthermore, then evidence shows that people do take more health risks the lower the cost of healthcare. Whilst i doubt £28 is going to have much effect, it doesn't sound like a factually incorrect statement to me?
because the price of meat doesn't effect anyone socially?
contraception does. taxes can pay for the price of contraception, or it can pay more with an abortion at some later point, or it can pay for a child for at least 17 yrs.
and no i'm not presuming anyone needing the pills is on benefits, but the NHS, schools, and tax credits cost money.
it's more beneficial to stop problems at the easiest and most cost effective point.
So basically the taxpayer should be held to ransom because they are eventually on the hook to bail people out of irresponsible behaviour?
That would explain how a country racks up £1.9tn of debt actually. "
I think Boots have a point actually. The one time I ever needed the morning after pill I dragged the guy to Boots with me. It was a Sunday morning in a strange city and I had no clue where else to go. We actually sat there for 4 hours as the prescribing pharmacist needed to take advice on a medical condition I have. The guy paid but I have never seen a man squirming in his seat so much, but he needed to be there and know the issue was resolved... I really think we both learnt a valuable lesson that day. Some might say oh making people uncomfortable will stop them using the service. No I say ending up pregnant would make me more uncomfortable. Boots have premises in practically every city and large town, open every day. When you are in an unexpected jam, no idea where the free services are and just wanting to put the whole sorry mess behind you, you know they are there. I think that is what you pay the £28 for...and the whole experience makes you think twice about putting yourself in that situation again |
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"If boots paid their taxes ( im sure they benefit from tax loopholes) then there would be enough for the nhs. But blame the one night stand, sex, etc that went wrong "
We are all human. Mistakes happen. Why shouldnt a premium service (there exactly when you need it at a nearby location) not attract a premium price? For those on benefits etc that cannot afford the premium, the "minor ailments scheme" exists so in many areas they can still get it free, even from Boots. |
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