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By *wayman OP Man
over a year ago
newcastle |
...with the keyboard warrior collective, the pyjamaheddin who think that the world will change for the better if their nihilistic urges are acted out by the government shooting looters, or sending in the troops, or imposing national service on kids not much older than mine. I want my bairn to go to university, not some boot camp that a loony on the internet think might give her 'character' or 'backbone' or 'respect'.
I don't want people who've never heard a gun fired telling me the police should shoot rioters. The army tried that in Derry and I don't remember it having a happy ending. I don't want fuckwits who've forgotten what happened to Keith Blakelock or Blair Peach ranting that the police should go in hard and pick fights with the mob.
Especially not on a swingers website. If I want to read mad right wing bollocks from people who've never puked as thye realise that that last fight could have been their last I'll go to the Daily Mail website.
If I've offended anyone, I'll apologize, but I've read stuff on here tonight that has made me wonder about people's sanity. |
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By *wayman OP Man
over a year ago
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"or you could just not read those threads  "
You'll have your work cut out inventing a way of warning people that certain threads might contain madness, or stupidity, or the nauseating wish form violence from those who know least about it. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"...with the keyboard warrior collective, the pyjamaheddin who think that the world will change for the better if their nihilistic urges are acted out by the government shooting looters, or sending in the troops, or imposing national service on kids not much older than mine. I want my bairn to go to university, not some boot camp that a loony on the internet think might give her 'character' or 'backbone' or 'respect'.
I don't want people who've never heard a gun fired telling me the police should shoot rioters. The army tried that in Derry and I don't remember it having a happy ending. I don't want fuckwits who've forgotten what happened to Keith Blakelock or Blair Peach ranting that the police should go in hard and pick fights with the mob.
Especially not on a swingers website. If I want to read mad right wing bollocks from people who've never puked as thye realise that that last fight could have been their last I'll go to the Daily Mail website.
If I've offended anyone, I'll apologize, but I've read stuff on here tonight that has made me wonder about people's sanity."
I agree hun. I do wonder what some of these people would have felt like if they were forced to go to war, or lived in sink estates with no hope of getting out.  |
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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago
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"...with the keyboard warrior collective, the pyjamaheddin who think that the world will change for the better if their nihilistic urges are acted out by the government shooting looters, or sending in the troops, or imposing national service on kids not much older than mine. I want my bairn to go to university, not some boot camp that a loony on the internet think might give her 'character' or 'backbone' or 'respect'.
I don't want people who've never heard a gun fired telling me the police should shoot rioters. The army tried that in Derry and I don't remember it having a happy ending. I don't want fuckwits who've forgotten what happened to Keith Blakelock or Blair Peach ranting that the police should go in hard and pick fights with the mob.
Especially not on a swingers website. If I want to read mad right wing bollocks from people who've never puked as thye realise that that last fight could have been their last I'll go to the Daily Mail website.
If I've offended anyone, I'll apologize, but I've read stuff on here tonight that has made me wonder about people's sanity."
You just don't get it, do you?
These are Forum pages, some of which allow us to express _iews or answer others on selected threads, themes or postings.
Yes, I could see your point if all of what you've described above was on the Swingers Chat "Forum" page.
But it hasn't been. It has been in The Lounge, where we can exchange _iews and post comments on everything else we wish (within reason).
If you don't like it all, you don't have to read it, do you? It has been interesting and thought provoking tonight, but, really, if we all did and thought the same way, it would be a hell of a boring world! |
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"...with the keyboard warrior collective, the pyjamaheddin who think that the world will change for the better if their nihilistic urges are acted out by the government shooting looters, or sending in the troops, or imposing national service on kids not much older than mine. I want my bairn to go to university, not some boot camp that a loony on the internet think might give her 'character' or 'backbone' or 'respect'.
I don't want people who've never heard a gun fired telling me the police should shoot rioters. The army tried that in Derry and I don't remember it having a happy ending. I don't want fuckwits who've forgotten what happened to Keith Blakelock or Blair Peach ranting that the police should go in hard and pick fights with the mob.
Especially not on a swingers website. If I want to read mad right wing bollocks from people who've never puked as thye realise that that last fight could have been their last I'll go to the Daily Mail website.
If I've offended anyone, I'll apologize, but I've read stuff on here tonight that has made me wonder about people's sanity."
there are like 20 words in there i didnt understand but i think i get what you are talking about 
facebook is the same, i had to delete some posts on one of my family members status' simply because i didnt want my comments to be linked in anyway to some fairly heavy racist/BNP type comments
i hold my hand up to being somewhat naive about situations like this, however i know that whilst we need a quick fix solution to the situation now we also need to identify and rectify whatever failings in society/education/legislation etc etc etc that has bought us to this state.
that being said, riots are not a modern day invention although, as with most things, they youth of today seem to think they invented mindless violence. so if they are not a new thing how come we aren't better prepared to deal with them? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I make no apologies for getting irate over the youth of today and all the bloody gooders that seem to think they cant help it...poor little dears, give them a holiday or a brand new lappy etc....its a shame.......
thats why they do drugs, rob and shoot people and have kids left right and centre....it because they dont have a youth centre, or branded clothes, or a green field to play in, and on and on and on.......
To be on the receiving end of this youth of today (assholes) ..to be robbed, beaten up and maimed , makes no bloody difference....
thank you said parents.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"When i last looked this was an open forum which means anyone can have any opinion they wish as long as its within the forum rules. You dont have to read forums "
not many do read the rules |
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"When i last looked this was an open forum which means anyone can have any opinion they wish as long as its within the forum rules. You dont have to read forums not many do read the rules "
No but threads get closed and posts removed if the rules are broken |
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maybe a new forum entitled 'only people allowed to post who agree with my outlook' perhaps?
now i am to be honest being a tad flippant, but a lot of people have had enough of 'wooly liberalism' and whilst not all can express themselves as well as others they do have a point of _iew and are absolutely fine with saying that in the 'lounge' |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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excuse me if i'm mistaken but did you just use the forum to express your opinion?
oh i get it only the elite few are allowed the rest of us should just shut up and bow down to your superiority and purly read your words of wisdom and be gratefull you allow us to |
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By *wayman OP Man
over a year ago
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"excuse me if i'm mistaken but did you just use the forum to express your opinion?
oh i get it only the elite few are allowed the rest of us should just shut up and bow down to your superiority and purly read your words of wisdom and be gratefull you allow us to "
Do you want som salt and vinegar for those chips? |
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By *wayman OP Man
over a year ago
newcastle |
"I make no apologies for getting irate over the youth of today and all the bloody gooders that seem to think they cant help it...poor little dears, give them a holiday or a brand new lappy etc....its a shame.......
thats why they do drugs, rob and shoot people and have kids left right and centre....it because they dont have a youth centre, or branded clothes, or a green field to play in, and on and on and on.......
To be on the receiving end of this youth of today (assholes) ..to be robbed, beaten up and maimed , makes no bloody difference....
thank you said parents. "
My bairn is the youth of today. Since she's never done any of the things you describe why are you irate with her? |
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By *wayman OP Man
over a year ago
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"When i last looked this was an open forum which means anyone can have any opinion they wish as long as its within the forum rules. You dont have to read forums "
Isn't that the stock response of people who haven't got an argument? "You don't have to read the guff I write as I sit here having a wank over the idea of someone being shot between the eyes..."
I know I'm expressing an opinion too, and it's a dissenting opinion. But it has to be said that anyone who thinks that 'shoot them between the eyes' is a logical response to riots hasn't a fucking clue and should probably have their hand held when they're out of doors - an expert marksman stood next to a minicab managed to shoot one of his colleagues last week remember? You might get a rioter as you fire at them, or you might get the mother with a baby trying to get home 200 metres down the street. Not realising that isn't just stupid, and dangerous, it's bloody offensive. |
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By *wayman OP Man
over a year ago
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"...with the keyboard warrior collective, the pyjamaheddin who think that the world will change for the better if their nihilistic urges are acted out by the government shooting looters, or sending in the troops, or imposing national service on kids not much older than mine. I want my bairn to go to university, not some boot camp that a loony on the internet think might give her 'character' or 'backbone' or 'respect'.
I don't want people who've never heard a gun fired telling me the police should shoot rioters. The army tried that in Derry and I don't remember it having a happy ending. I don't want fuckwits who've forgotten what happened to Keith Blakelock or Blair Peach ranting that the police should go in hard and pick fights with the mob.
Especially not on a swingers website. If I want to read mad right wing bollocks from people who've never puked as thye realise that that last fight could have been their last I'll go to the Daily Mail website.
If I've offended anyone, I'll apologize, but I've read stuff on here tonight that has made me wonder about people's sanity.
there are like 20 words in there i didnt understand but i think i get what you are talking about
facebook is the same, i had to delete some posts on one of my family members status' simply because i didnt want my comments to be linked in anyway to some fairly heavy racist/BNP type comments
i hold my hand up to being somewhat naive about situations like this, however i know that whilst we need a quick fix solution to the situation now we also need to identify and rectify whatever failings in society/education/legislation etc etc etc that has bought us to this state.
that being said, riots are not a modern day invention although, as with most things, they youth of today seem to think they invented mindless violence. so if they are not a new thing how come we aren't better prepared to deal with them?"
Probably because the rioters have learned, and the police haven't. In that respect the police are like the army, always prepared for the battle they've just fought, not for the next one.
In the 80s riots were huge set piece battles; the police were able to deploy crowd control weaponry (including CS gas - though they had the wrong type of cartridges and ended up causing nasty injuries). So were the industrial disputes - Wapping and Orgreave resembled medieval warfare, something like the Saxons against the Normans. What's happening in London now is much more asymmetric, with fast mobile gangs of rioters out manouvering the police.
As you say, that's no different to the nineteenth century - the fast mobile riots of the luddites, the Scotch Cattle and the rebeccaites were in part a response to the lessons learned at Pentrich and Peterloo. (I got an invite to the Pentrich anniversary in my mailbox the other day - if only they could guarantee Gyles Brandreth wouldn't turn up I might go...)
I'll be dubbed a woolly liberal for saying this, but while you have an excluded minority riots will always be with us. |
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By *wayman OP Man
over a year ago
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"I don't read all threads that are posted and those that don't interest me, I don't post comments on, easy as that  "
So why are you here? Or are you interested in enforcing the collective group think?
Seriously, the issues I'm trying to talk about are too important for this to descend into some kind of semantic squabble about netiquette.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"excuse me if i'm mistaken but did you just use the forum to express your opinion?
oh i get it only the elite few are allowed the rest of us should just shut up and bow down to your superiority and purly read your words of wisdom and be gratefull you allow us to
Do you want som salt and vinegar for those chips?"
ooo that would be lovely thankyou |
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"...with the keyboard warrior collective, the pyjamaheddin who think that the world will change for the better if their nihilistic urges are acted out by the government shooting looters, or sending in the troops, or imposing national service on kids not much older than mine. I want my bairn to go to university, not some boot camp that a loony on the internet think might give her 'character' or 'backbone' or 'respect'.
I don't want people who've never heard a gun fired telling me the police should shoot rioters. The army tried that in Derry and I don't remember it having a happy ending. I don't want fuckwits who've forgotten what happened to Keith Blakelock or Blair Peach ranting that the police should go in hard and pick fights with the mob.
Especially not on a swingers website. If I want to read mad right wing bollocks from people who've never puked as thye realise that that last fight could have been their last I'll go to the website.
If I've offended anyone, I'll apologize, but I've read stuff on here tonight that has made me wonder about people's sanity.
there are like 20 words in there i didnt understand but i think i get what you are talking about
is the same, i had to delete some posts on one of my family members status' simply because i didnt want my comments to be linked in anyway to some fairly heavy racist/BNP type comments
i hold my hand up to being somewhat naive about situations like this, however i know that whilst we need a quick fix solution to the situation now we also need to identify and rectify whatever failings in society/education/legislation etc etc etc that has bought us to this state.
that being said, riots are not a modern day invention although, as with most things, they youth of today seem to think they invented mindless violence. so if they are not a new thing how come we aren't better prepared to deal with them?"
"There is nothing more dangerous than to build a society with a large segment of people in that society who feel that they have no stake in it; who feel that that have nothing to lose. People who have stake in their society, protect that society, but when they don't have it, they unconsciously want to destroy it."
— Martin Luther King Jr.
The question is why people do not care,why they choose to break the law.If we choose to ignore the causes, then this will continue |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"...with the keyboard warrior collective, the pyjamaheddin who think that the world will change for the better if their nihilistic urges are acted out by the government shooting looters, or sending in the troops, or imposing national service on kids not much older than mine. I want my bairn to go to university, not some boot camp that a loony on the internet think might give her 'character' or 'backbone' or 'respect'.
I don't want people who've never heard a gun fired telling me the police should shoot rioters. The army tried that in Derry and I don't remember it having a happy ending. I don't want fuckwits who've forgotten what happened to Keith Blakelock or Blair Peach ranting that the police should go in hard and pick fights with the mob.
Especially not on a swingers website. If I want to read mad right wing bollocks from people who've never puked as thye realise that that last fight could have been their last I'll go to the website.
If I've offended anyone, I'll apologize, but I've read stuff on here tonight that has made me wonder about people's sanity.
there are like 20 words in there i didnt understand but i think i get what you are talking about
is the same, i had to delete some posts on one of my family members status' simply because i didnt want my comments to be linked in anyway to some fairly heavy racist/BNP type comments
i hold my hand up to being somewhat naive about situations like this, however i know that whilst we need a quick fix solution to the situation now we also need to identify and rectify whatever failings in society/education/legislation etc etc etc that has bought us to this state.
that being said, riots are not a modern day invention although, as with most things, they youth of today seem to think they invented mindless violence. so if they are not a new thing how come we aren't better prepared to deal with them?
"There is nothing more dangerous than to build a society with a large segment of people in that society who feel that they have no stake in it; who feel that that have nothing to lose. People who have stake in their society, protect that society, but when they don't have it, they unconsciously want to destroy it."
— Martin Luther King Jr.
The question is why people do not care,why they choose to break the law.If we choose to ignore the causes, then this will continue"
they can deal with the cause once they have stopped the rioting can they not?
surely the most important thing right now is to bring an end to these mindless idiots causing all this devastation
just sitting back and letting it continue because the poor little lambs feel they have no stake in society is pure lunacy, your an inteligent woman i know that and i have a lot of respect for you you know that too but surely you can see its time for action first talking later as there is now way you will stop this happening by talk alone |
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"I make no apologies for getting irate over the youth of today and all the bloody gooders that seem to think they cant help it...poor little dears, give them a holiday or a brand new lappy etc....its a shame.......
thats why they do drugs, rob and shoot people and have kids left right and centre....it because they dont have a youth centre, or branded clothes, or a green field to play in, and on and on and on.......
To be on the receiving end of this youth of today (assholes) ..to be robbed, beaten up and maimed , makes no bloody difference....
thank you said parents.
My bairn is the youth of today. Since she's never done any of the things you describe why are you irate with her?"
And i can guarentee that right at this moment are parents of said looters and assholes saying the same thing.
Oh noooo not my little jonney, such a lovely lad he is 
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"...with the keyboard warrior collective, the pyjamaheddin who think that the world will change for the better if their nihilistic urges are acted out by the government shooting looters, or sending in the troops, or imposing national service on kids not much older than mine. I want my bairn to go to university, not some boot camp that a loony on the internet think might give her 'character' or 'backbone' or 'respect'.
I don't want people who've never heard a gun fired telling me the police should shoot rioters. The army tried that in Derry and I don't remember it having a happy ending. I don't want fuckwits who've forgotten what happened to Keith Blakelock or Blair Peach ranting that the police should go in hard and pick fights with the mob.
Especially not on a swingers website. If I want to read mad right wing bollocks from people who've never puked as thye realise that that last fight could have been their last I'll go to the website.
If I've offended anyone, I'll apologize, but I've read stuff on here tonight that has made me wonder about people's sanity.
there are like 20 words in there i didnt understand but i think i get what you are talking about
is the same, i had to delete some posts on one of my family members status' simply because i didnt want my comments to be linked in anyway to some fairly heavy racist/BNP type comments
i hold my hand up to being somewhat naive about situations like this, however i know that whilst we need a quick fix solution to the situation now we also need to identify and rectify whatever failings in society/education/legislation etc etc etc that has bought us to this state.
that being said, riots are not a modern day invention although, as with most things, they youth of today seem to think they invented mindless violence. so if they are not a new thing how come we aren't better prepared to deal with them?
"There is nothing more dangerous than to build a society with a large segment of people in that society who feel that they have no stake in it; who feel that that have nothing to lose. People who have stake in their society, protect that society, but when they don't have it, they unconsciously want to destroy it."
— Martin Luther King Jr.
The question is why people do not care,why they choose to break the law.If we choose to ignore the causes, then this will continue
they can deal with the cause once they have stopped the rioting can they not?
surely the most important thing right now is to bring an end to these mindless idiots causing all this devastation
just sitting back and letting it continue because the poor little lambs feel they have no stake in society is pure lunacy, your an inteligent woman i know that and i have a lot of respect for you you know that too but surely you can see its time for action first talking later as there is now way you will stop this happening by talk alone"
No where has anyone said understanding means not dealing with the the immediate problem.Personally if i lived in london i wud be furious that its only today police leave has been cancelled.
6000 police last night,
16000 tonight
If the initial disturbances in tottenham and wood green had been dealt with properly then this wud have never happened.
We need to consider the serious failures here, i was following twitter, and the police cudnt?
Good effective policing can stop this, understanding the roots can stop it happening again . |
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"...with the keyboard warrior collective, the pyjamaheddin who think that the world will change for the better if their nihilistic urges are acted out by the government shooting looters, or sending in the troops, or imposing national service on kids not much older than mine. I want my bairn to go to university, not some boot camp that a loony on the internet think might give her 'character' or 'backbone' or 'respect'.
I don't want people who've never heard a gun fired telling me the police should shoot rioters. The army tried that in Derry and I don't remember it having a happy ending. I don't want fuckwits who've forgotten what happened to Keith Blakelock or Blair Peach ranting that the police should go in hard and pick fights with the mob.
Especially not on a swingers website. If I want to read mad right wing bollocks from people who've never puked as thye realise that that last fight could have been their last I'll go to the website.
If I've offended anyone, I'll apologize, but I've read stuff on here tonight that has made me wonder about people's sanity.
there are like 20 words in there i didnt understand but i think i get what you are talking about
is the same, i had to delete some posts on one of my family members status' simply because i didnt want my comments to be linked in anyway to some fairly heavy racist/BNP type comments
i hold my hand up to being somewhat naive about situations like this, however i know that whilst we need a quick fix solution to the situation now we also need to identify and rectify whatever failings in society/education/legislation etc etc etc that has bought us to this state.
that being said, riots are not a modern day invention although, as with most things, they youth of today seem to think they invented mindless violence. so if they are not a new thing how come we aren't better prepared to deal with them?
"There is nothing more dangerous than to build a society with a large segment of people in that society who feel that they have no stake in it; who feel that that have nothing to lose. People who have stake in their society, protect that society, but when they don't have it, they unconsciously want to destroy it."
— Martin Luther King Jr.
The question is why people do not care,why they choose to break the law.If we choose to ignore the causes, then this will continue
they can deal with the cause once they have stopped the rioting can they not?
surely the most important thing right now is to bring an end to these mindless idiots causing all this devastation
just sitting back and letting it continue because the poor little lambs feel they have no stake in society is pure lunacy, your an inteligent woman i know that and i have a lot of respect for you you know that too but surely you can see its time for action first talking later as there is now way you will stop this happening by talk alone
No where has anyone said understanding means not dealing with the the immediate problem.Personally if i lived in london i wud be furious that its only today police leave has been cancelled.
6000 police last night,
16000 tonight
If the initial disturbances in tottenham and wood green had been dealt with properly then this wud have never happened.
We need to consider the serious failures here, i was following twitter, and the police cudnt?
Good effective policing can stop this, understanding the roots can stop it happening again ."
well i'm completely lost then as this was all i was saying that it needed to be dealt with swiftly and thoroughly which unless i'm a complete imbicile that is what you just said well at least i think you did
and yet i was getting slated for expressing such an opinion on an open forum
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"...with the keyboard warrior collective, the pyjamaheddin who think that the world will change for the better if their nihilistic urges are acted out by the government shooting looters, or sending in the troops, or imposing national service on kids not much older than mine. I want my bairn to go to university, not some boot camp that a loony on the internet think might give her 'character' or 'backbone' or 'respect'.
I don't want people who've never heard a gun fired telling me the police should shoot rioters. The army tried that in Derry and I don't remember it having a happy ending. I don't want fuckwits who've forgotten what happened to Keith Blakelock or Blair Peach ranting that the police
should go in hard and pick fights with the mob.
Especially not on a swingers website. If I want to read mad right wing bollocks from people who've never puked as thye realise that that last fight could have been their last I'll go to the Daily Mail website.
If I've offended anyone, I'll apologize, but I've read stuff on here tonight that has made me wonder about people's sanity."
Wow
Ok so say your argument is sound
Could you now give your solution to a growing problem? As something obviously has to be done |
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"I'll be dubbed a woolly liberal for saying this, but while you have an excluded minority riots will always be with us." (quote)
Who excluded them?
They have access to free education, free healthcare, they live in a democracy, and there is the benefits system that provides enough to get by on (this is not a poke at those on benefits btw!).
In short, they have everything they need to live, learn and progress..... if they want to!!!
So, I'll ask again, who excluded them?
In my humble opinion, they excluded themselves, and, if found guilty of this sort of behaviour, which has nothing to do with "protest" and everything to do with greed and violence, they should have these rights removed. If they bite the hand that feeds them, then the hand should be withdrawn.
As a citizen, you have certain inalienable (sic) rights, but with these comes a responsibility to act as a citizen, not a fucking animal.
To the OP, while I understand where you are coming from to a degree, the bottom line is this behaviour is not acceptable to the vast majority of us in society who have some form of "moral compass" by which we live our lives, and actions must be taken to bring these scumbags into line. Whilst I disagree with the "hang 'em, flog 'em, shoot 'em" brigade", I do think that a much more robust response from the Police is called for.
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"...with the keyboard warrior collective, the pyjamaheddin who think that the world will change for the better if their nihilistic urges are acted out by the government shooting looters, or sending in the troops, or imposing national service on kids not much older than mine. I want my bairn to go to university, not some boot camp that a loony on the internet think might give her 'character' or 'backbone' or 'respect'.
I don't want people who've never heard a gun fired telling me the police should shoot rioters. The army tried that in Derry and I don't remember it having a happy ending. I don't want fuckwits who've forgotten what happened to Keith Blakelock or Blair Peach ranting that the police should go in hard and pick fights with the mob.
Especially not on a swingers website. If I want to read mad right wing bollocks from people who've never puked as thye realise that that last fight could have been their last I'll go to the Daily Mail website.
If I've offended anyone, I'll apologize, but I've read stuff on here tonight that has made me wonder about people's sanity."
People are allowed opinions same as you and me. Just smile at them and wonder what narcotics they are addicted to like i do |
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"...with the keyboard warrior collective, the pyjamaheddin who think that the world will change for the better if their nihilistic urges are acted out by the government shooting looters, or sending in the troops, or imposing national service on kids not much older than mine. I want my bairn to go to university, not some boot camp that a loony on the internet think might give her 'character' or 'backbone' or 'respect'.
I don't want people who've never heard a gun fired telling me the police should shoot rioters. The army tried that in Derry and I don't remember it having a happy ending. I don't want fuckwits who've forgotten what happened to Keith Blakelock or Blair Peach ranting that the police should go in hard and pick fights with the mob.
Especially not on a swingers website. If I want to read mad right wing bollocks from people who've never puked as thye realise that that last fight could have been their last I'll go to the Daily Mail website.
If I've offended anyone, I'll apologize, but I've read stuff on here tonight that has made me wonder about people's sanity.
People are allowed opinions same as you and me. Just smile at them and wonder what narcotics they are addicted to like i do "
Why ?
because we differ in our opinions ? |
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"...with the keyboard warrior collective, the pyjamaheddin who think that the world will change for the better if their nihilistic urges are acted out by the government shooting looters, or sending in the troops, or imposing national service on kids not much older than mine. I want my bairn to go to university, not some boot camp that a loony on the internet think might give her 'character' or 'backbone' or 'respect'.
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Some days i really do struggle with pyjamaheddin. Maybe if i wasn't a lazy bastard and undid a few buttons it may help. |
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"...with the keyboard warrior collective, the pyjamaheddin who think that the world will change for the better if their nihilistic urges are acted out by the government shooting looters, or sending in the troops, or imposing national service on kids not much older than mine. I want my bairn to go to university, not some boot camp that a loony on the internet think might give her 'character' or 'backbone' or 'respect'.
I don't want people who've never heard a gun fired telling me the police should shoot rioters. The army tried that in Derry and I don't remember it having a happy ending. I don't want fuckwits who've forgotten what happened to Keith Blakelock or Blair Peach ranting that the police should go in hard and pick fights with the mob.
Especially not on a swingers website. If I want to read mad right wing bollocks from people who've never puked as thye realise that that last fight could have been their last I'll go to the website.
If I've offended anyone, I'll apologize, but I've read stuff on here tonight that has made me wonder about people's sanity.
there are like 20 words in there i didnt understand but i think i get what you are talking about
is the same, i had to delete some posts on one of my family members status' simply because i didnt want my comments to be linked in anyway to some fairly heavy racist/BNP type comments
i hold my hand up to being somewhat naive about situations like this, however i know that whilst we need a quick fix solution to the situation now we also need to identify and rectify whatever failings in society/education/legislation etc etc etc that has bought us to this state.
that being said, riots are not a modern day invention although, as with most things, they youth of today seem to think they invented mindless violence. so if they are not a new thing how come we aren't better prepared to deal with them?
"There is nothing more dangerous than to build a society with a large segment of people in that society who feel that they have no stake in it; who feel that that have nothing to lose. People who have stake in their society, protect that society, but when they don't have it, they unconsciously want to destroy it."
— Martin Luther King Jr.
The question is why people do not care,why they choose to break the law.If we choose to ignore the causes, then this will continue
they can deal with the cause once they have stopped the rioting can they not?
surely the most important thing right now is to bring an end to these mindless idiots causing all this devastation
just sitting back and letting it continue because the poor little lambs feel they have no stake in society is pure lunacy, your an inteligent woman i know that and i have a lot of respect for you you know that too but surely you can see its time for action first talking later as there is now way you will stop this happening by talk alone
No where has anyone said understanding means not dealing with the the immediate problem.Personally if i lived in london i wud be furious that its only today police leave has been cancelled.
6000 police last night,
16000 tonight
If the initial disturbances in tottenham and wood green had been dealt with properly then this wud have never happened.
We need to consider the serious failures here, i was following twitter, and the police cudnt?
Good effective policing can stop this, understanding the roots can stop it happening again .
well i'm completely lost then as this was all i was saying that it needed to be dealt with swiftly and thoroughly which unless i'm a complete imbicile that is what you just said well at least i think you did
and yet i was getting slated for expressing such an opinion on an open forum
go figure "
Any one who slates u has to get through me !
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Well now there’s a thing!!!!!
,,,,,,I must confess to making a concerted effort not to engage with anything or anybody that has an opening declaration stating …. “ I’m Board”…….
I’ve always felt by responding to comments made proclaiming “ I’m Bored…. We become nothing more than an object of muse for someone who has either too much time on their hands, or indeed not enough get up and go about themselves to find something constructive to do other than Witter on about how bored they are!!!,,,,,,, Ahem,,,So for that reason I've always resisted any temptation to find out why people are bored
Now personally I have never found the time to be bored and. so I’m not entirely familiar with its concept !!!!! However, from what little I do know….....I’m thinking perhaps the title of this thread had nothing at all to do with the OP being bored at all…..……hmmmmm……..
Sox…… off-topic as-ever
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"I don't read all threads that are posted and those that don't interest me, I don't post comments on, easy as that So why are you here? Or are you interested in enforcing the collective group think?
Seriously, the issues I'm trying to talk about are too important for this to descend into some kind of semantic squabble about netiquette.
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But surely I am allowed to peruse the forums and comment wherever and whenever I like?
And realistically, I am here to enjoy myself and along the way, meet some nice people |
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By *wayman OP Man
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"...with the keyboard warrior collective, the pyjamaheddin who think that the world will change for the better if their nihilistic urges are acted out by the government shooting looters, or sending in the troops, or imposing national service on kids not much older than mine. I want my bairn to go to university, not some boot camp that a loony on the internet think might give her 'character' or 'backbone' or 'respect'.
I don't want people who've never heard a gun fired telling me the police should shoot rioters. The army tried that in Derry and I don't remember it having a happy ending. I don't want fuckwits who've forgotten what happened to Keith Blakelock or Blair Peach ranting that the police
should go in hard and pick fights with the mob.
Especially not on a swingers website. If I want to read mad right wing bollocks from people who've never puked as thye realise that that last fight could have been their last I'll go to the Daily Mail website.
If I've offended anyone, I'll apologize, but I've read stuff on here tonight that has made me wonder about people's sanity.
Wow
Ok so say your argument is sound
Could you now give your solution to a growing problem? As something obviously has to be done "
Lots of things obviously have to be done, not one thing.
Fixing the problems in the here and now by making the police faster, more open, more honest and less obsessed with news management (it wasn't the tooth fairy telling journos that Mark Duggan fired at the police just days before they admitted he didn't...) won't fix the longer term problems of why people think they have no investment in the place where they live.
So do proper policing, and win back the streets, but then start the work of identifying quite why Broadwater Farm is the way it is, why Hackney is such an unequal microcosm of unqual Britain. |
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"I don't read all threads that are posted and those that don't interest me, I don't post comments on, easy as that So why are you here? Or are you interested in enforcing the collective group think?
Seriously, the issues I'm trying to talk about are too important for this to descend into some kind of semantic squabble about netiquette.
But surely I am allowed to peruse the forums and comment wherever and whenever I like?
And realistically, I am here to enjoy myself and along the way, meet some nice people "
And so am I. And I have read stuff here in the last few days that was vile, masturbatory nonsense masquerading as commentary on the news. |
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By *wayman OP Man
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""I'll be dubbed a woolly liberal for saying this, but while you have an excluded minority riots will always be with us." (quote)
Who excluded them?
They have access to free education, free healthcare, they live in a democracy, and there is the benefits system that provides enough to get by on (this is not a poke at those on benefits btw!).
In short, they have everything they need to live, learn and progress..... if they want to!!!
So, I'll ask again, who excluded them?
In my humble opinion, they excluded themselves, and, if found guilty of this sort of behaviour, which has nothing to do with "protest" and everything to do with greed and violence, they should have these rights removed. If they bite the hand that feeds them, then the hand should be withdrawn.
As a citizen, you have certain inalienable (sic) rights, but with these comes a responsibility to act as a citizen, not a fucking animal.
To the OP, while I understand where you are coming from to a degree, the bottom line is this behaviour is not acceptable to the vast majority of us in society who have some form of "moral compass" by which we live our lives, and actions must be taken to bring these scumbags into line. Whilst I disagree with the "hang 'em, flog 'em, shoot 'em" brigade", I do think that a much more robust response from the Police is called for.
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Since there are less jobs available in our economy than there are people looking for work, are all the unemployed voluntarily unemployed? |
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"...with the keyboard warrior collective, the pyjamaheddin who think that the world will change for the better if their nihilistic urges are acted out by the government shooting looters, or sending in the troops, or imposing national service on kids not much older than mine. I want my bairn to go to university, not some boot camp that a loony on the internet think might give her 'character' or 'backbone' or 'respect'.
I don't want people who've never heard a gun fired telling me the police should shoot rioters. The army tried that in Derry and I don't remember it having a happy ending. I don't want fuckwits who've forgotten what happened to Keith Blakelock or Blair Peach ranting that the police
should go in hard and pick fights with the mob.
Especially not on a swingers website. If I want to read mad right wing bollocks from people who've never puked as thye realise that that last fight could have been their last I'll go to the Daily Mail
website.
If I've offended anyone, I'll apologize, but I've
read stuff on here tonight that has made me wonder about people's sanity.
Wow
Ok so say your argument is sound
Could you now give your solution to a growing problem? As something obviously has to be done
Lots of things obviously have to be done, not one thing.
Fixing the problems in the here and now
by making the police faster, more open, more honest and less obsessed with news management (it wasn't the tooth fairy telling journos that Mark Duggan fired at the police just days before they admitted he didn't...) won't fix the longer term problems of why people think they have no investment in the place where
they live.
So do proper policing, and win back the streets, but then start the work of identifying quite why Broadwater Farm is the way it is, why Hackney is
such an unequal microcosm of unqual Britain."
I agree to a point but tell me what happens while we put all that into place?
Do we just stand around and let Rome burn?
Or is there a sensible idiot friendly solution ?
That would not affect rioters sensibilities or human rights?
And actually I am not being sarcastic just interested and realistic |
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"...with the keyboard warrior collective, the pyjamaheddin who think that the world will change for the better if their nihilistic urges are acted out by the government shooting looters, or sending in the troops, or imposing national service on kids not much older than mine. I want my bairn to go to university, not some boot camp that a loony on the internet think might give her 'character' or 'backbone' or 'respect'.
Some days i really do struggle with pyjamaheddin. Maybe if i wasn't a lazy bastard and undid a few buttons it may help."
you need to contact "im a dinner jacket" |
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We supposed to pat said rioter on the head and reassure him/her that all will be ok and the little bruise they have when smashing in the shop window will go away soon , oh and not to worry about the fire, someone put it out. Then find them a nice warm cosy cell to sit in with a lovely cuppa tea and a fag , promising them a lovely cooked brekkie in the morning .
When said court date comes, solitor will tell the magistrate all about his horrible home and that he didnt have a holiday and the magistrate will sympathise and let him off.
Now thats sarcasm.. cuz if i was a copper tonight and it starts again...i wont be patting them with me truncheon |
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""I'll be dubbed a woolly liberal for saying this, but while you have an excluded minority riots will always be with us." (quote)
Who excluded them?
They have access to free education, free healthcare, they live in a democracy, and there is the benefits system that provides enough to get by on (this is not a poke at those on benefits btw!).
In short, they have everything they need to live, learn and progress..... if they want to!!!
So, I'll ask again, who excluded them?
In my humble opinion, they excluded themselves, and, if found guilty of this sort of behaviour, which has nothing to do with "protest" and everything to do with greed and violence, they should have these rights removed. If they bite the hand that feeds them, then the hand should be withdrawn.
As a citizen, you have certain inalienable (sic) rights, but with these comes a responsibility to act as a citizen, not a fucking animal.
To the OP, while I understand where you are coming from to a degree, the bottom line is this behaviour is not acceptable to the vast majority of us in society who have some form of "moral compass" by which we live our lives, and actions must be taken to bring these scumbags into line. Whilst I disagree with the "hang 'em, flog 'em, shoot 'em" brigade", I do think that a much more robust response from the Police is called for.
Since there are less jobs available in our economy than there are people looking for work, are all the unemployed voluntarily unemployed?"
What difference does it make? Still no excuse for rioting, is it? |
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"I don't read all threads that are posted and those that don't interest me, I don't post comments on, easy as that So why are you here? Or are you interested in enforcing the collective group think?
Seriously, the issues I'm trying to talk about are too important for this to descend into some kind of semantic squabble about netiquette.
But surely I am allowed to peruse the forums and comment wherever and whenever I like?
And realistically, I am here to enjoy myself and along the way, meet some nice people
And so am I. And I have read stuff here in the last few days that was vile, masturbatory nonsense masquerading as commentary on the news."
Like I said, I prefer to stayed away from threads that I have no interest in, though following riots last night in Gloucester, I have made a small comment on one thread, that it happened last night, nothing more |
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