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Are these riots real riots or just an excuse to go looting?

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

To me it looks like high value shops are being targeted and has nothing to do with protesting against whatever is troubling them. What do you think?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

you really need to ask

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

looting... for more designer gear as most I have seen on the telly have top end sports wear on.

maybe counterfeit but I doubt it.

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By *rT30Man over a year ago

Munster

1 thing that should be noted as extreme importance is the fact that the police are stretched to almost breaking point.

It could be along night!

Out of curiousity are the areas that the rioting is happening poor areas or affluent areas?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"looting... for more designer gear as most I have seen on the telly have top end sports wear on.

maybe counterfeit but I doubt it.

They don't break into oxfam, wilco's or the pound shop do they!

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

I think the police tactics of allowing whole blocks of shops and flats to burn at will without permitting the Fire Brigade in to put the fires out, as is happening in Croydon at this very moment, is outrageous.

Sky News are having residents in Croydon phoning in to their studios pleading for someone to get the fire brigade in...

Is there an element of political gamesmanship going on here by certain leading police officers?

Would it be beneficial to have innocent families die in order to strengthen the hand of certain groups?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They are now rioting in birmingham

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My mates sister lives on one of the roads that the riots are on and its not a posh area so its hitting all over as her dad says its really wide spread

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By *rT30Man over a year ago

Munster

"I think the police tactics of allowing whole blocks of shops and flats to burn at will without permitting the Fire Brigade in to put the fires out, as is happening in Croydon at this very moment, is outrageous.

Sky News are having residents in Croydon phoning in to their studios pleading for someone to get the fire brigade in...

Is there an element of political gamesmanship going on here by certain leading police officers?

Would it be beneficial to have innocent families die in order to strengthen the hand of certain groups?

Very good point. Does anyone really know if there are games being played as you say.

Who would benifit the most?

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By *odka n CokeCouple over a year ago

Greater London

They don't give a shit what happened last week. They're just using this as an excuse to go on mindless rampages and steal as much as they can.

My daughter was being driven home tonight by her boyfriend's mother. Also in the car was her boyfriend and his six year old sister.

A gang of ten hoodies wearing masks jumped into the road and attacked their car with baseball bats and golf clubs. The mother started praying and the little girl was terrified.

My daughter said they could see the car was occupied mainly by women and a child and they didn't give a f**k

The government should arm the police and issue a nationwide warning that anyone seen attacking others, looting or setting anything on fire will be shot!

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

"They don't give a shit what happened last week. They're just using this as an excuse to go on mindless rampages and steal as much as they can.

My daughter was being driven home tonight by her boyfriend's mother. Also in the car was her boyfriend and his six year old sister.

A gang of ten hoodies wearing masks jumped into the road and attacked their car with baseball bats and golf clubs. The mother started praying and the little girl was terrified.

My daughter said they could see the car was occupied mainly by women and a child and they didn't give a f**k

The government should arm the police and issue a nationwide warning that anyone seen attacking others, looting or setting anything on fire will be shot!"

they must have been terrified xx all the best to them x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sky News are having residents in Croydon phoning in to their studios pleading for someone to get the fire brigade in...

Is there an element of political gamesmanship going on here by certain leading police officers?

Would it be beneficial to have innocent families die in order to strengthen the hand of certain groups?

I think I might be in agreement with you here Jane. It does seem a bit suspect.

It's a astute, but amoral political move. You allow some shit storm to kick off, and claim you requires lots more money to deal with the situation, with the implicit suggestion that you might allow disruption of the Olympics with similar goings on if you don't get your way.

Might be wrong, but the last two days have been suggestive.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

they all get caught eventually

shame to see it happen

there is under age kids there

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

bring in the army and batter the bastards!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"bring in the army and batter the bastards!"
including kids rioting

dont think that work 2bh

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"bring in the army and batter the bastards!"

Yeah....bring in the Apache helicopters while we are at it.

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By *rT30Man over a year ago

Munster

"They don't give a shit what happened last week. They're just using this as an excuse to go on mindless rampages and steal as much as they can.

My daughter was being driven home tonight by her boyfriend's mother. Also in the car was her boyfriend and his six year old sister.

A gang of ten hoodies wearing masks jumped into the road and attacked their car with baseball bats and golf clubs. The mother started praying and the little girl was terrified.

My daughter said they could see the car was occupied mainly by women and a child and they didn't give a f**k

The government should arm the police and issue a nationwide warning that anyone seen attacking others, looting or setting anything on fire will be shot!"

That is a very scary story. What happened there is bang out of order.

Children are untouchable.

Maybe its time for a curfew of sorts?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"bring in the army and batter the bastards!

Yeah....bring in the Apache helicopters while we are at it."
cant afford em according to the government

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i could do with a new kettle, toaster and coffee maker

if i had worktop space, a bread maker would be nice too

and i did get rid of the tv in the bedroom last month so maybe a smallish plasma (up to about 26 inches)

i'd like a carpet as laminate is cold in winter but i'd like a lightish colour so am not sure fire damaged is perhaps the best option

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They need to bring in marshal law...

Parents of those kids should get them in.. No excuse..all this is doing is showing how little respect for authority some have.

Cali

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

not looking great for the Olympics is it

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

Is there the facility within English Law to impose Martial Law?

If so.....who will enforce this Martial Law?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is there the facility within English Law to impose Martial Law?

If so.....who will enforce this Martial Law?

For a brief moment, I thought you were suggesting that the English and Law departments of some university were attempting a coup or something

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By *entscotscplCouple over a year ago

falkirk ish

its time the locals knocked fuck out the

lot of them disrespectfull animals

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

dont really know if there is.. but I think that they should..

It needs stamping on quick.. because otherwise the whole country is going to be affected..

They are struggling now.. what will it be like if every thug decides to take up arms against the country.

Innocent peoples lives are being ruined..and anyone that thinks it doesnt affect them is deluded.. as the countrys economics are already on a knifes edge..

So I say inforce a total lock down.. and anyone on the streets is dealt with harshly.

It is only 3 days and now its spreading..

Cali

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By *odka n CokeCouple over a year ago

Greater London

Sky News are having residents in Croydon phoning in to their studios pleading for someone to get the fire brigade in...

Is there an element of political gamesmanship going on here by certain leading police officers?

Would it be beneficial to have innocent families die in order to strengthen the hand of certain groups?

I think I might be in agreement with you here Jane. It does seem a bit suspect.

Might be wrong, but the last two days have been suggestive."

The live images on tv show the fire brigade ARE trying to put out the fires in Croydon, but they're stretched so thinly, they can't get them under control. Also, the police are under a huge amount of strain and the worry is, what happens if the thugs attack the fire engines?

The main area in Croydon, Reeves Corner has a huge sofa store on it ad that's why the blaze is so bad.

All the business's lost, the homeless and jobless, all for a cuple of pairs of trainers

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is there the facility within English Law to impose Martial Law?

If so.....who will enforce this Martial Law?

what do u propose then jane?

or u just gonna sit there criticizing everyone but the fucktards rioting.

we need a quick solution at the minute

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By *waymanMan over a year ago

newcastle

"They need to bring in marshal law...

Parents of those kids should get them in.. No excuse..all this is doing is showing how little respect for authority some have.

Cali "

Who is Marshal Law?

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By *xccvvMan over a year ago

Yorkshire North East

When people have been rioting in other countries this year the Goverenment said, them leaders should listen to their people and step down, even went on to bomb one country to help the rioters

Happens on our streets and same Government call the people criminals

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"When people have been rioting in other countries this year the Goverenment said, them leaders should listen to their people and step down, even went on to bomb one country to help the rioters

Happens on our streets and same Government call the people criminals

Astute observation. There is a pattern here, could it mean something?

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"Is there the facility within English Law to impose Martial Law?

If so.....who will enforce this Martial Law?

what do u propose then jane?

or u just gonna sit there criticizing everyone but the fucktards rioting.

we need a quick solution at the minute

I am not proposing anything....I am questioning whether there are Martial Law powers within English Law....you can't just make laws up as you go along.

Would it include a curfew?.....if so it's not a country I want to live in, I withold the right to come and go as I please in my country....I don't need any liberty taking politician imposing curfews on my liberty thanks.

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By *rT30Man over a year ago

Munster

"When people have been rioting in other countries this year the Goverenment said, them leaders should listen to their people and step down, even went on to bomb one country to help the rioters

Happens on our streets and same Government call the people criminals

Another excellent point.

And now they want the people too stand up and get rid of the rioters!!

Are the mad?

It is so great of Boris Johson and David Cameron to come home from holidays tho. I bet it makes all nglish people feel safer!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"When people have been rioting in other countries this year the Goverenment said, them leaders should listen to their people and step down, even went on to bomb one country to help the rioters

Happens on our streets and same Government call the people criminals

I do see your point, but do really, genuinely think that politics is the prime motivation for all this?

Or just a convenient scapegoat?

Because it certainly is not about one dead male, and a peaceful protest anymore, is it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

convenient scapegoat ...to cause mayhem

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By *rT30Man over a year ago

Munster

"When people have been rioting in other countries this year the Goverenment said, them leaders should listen to their people and step down, even went on to bomb one country to help the rioters

Happens on our streets and same Government call the people criminals

I do see your point, but do really, genuinely think that politics is the prime motivation for all this?

Or just a convenient scapegoat?

Because it certainly is not about one dead male, and a peaceful protest anymore, is it?"

Perhaps the shooting and the peaceful protest were just the catalyst that was needed?

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"When people have been rioting in other countries this year the Goverenment said, them leaders should listen to their people and step down, even went on to bomb one country to help the rioters

Happens on our streets and same Government call the people criminals

I do see your point, but do really, genuinely think that politics is the prime motivation for all this?

Or just a convenient scapegoat?

Because it certainly is not about one dead male, and a peaceful protest anymore, is it?"

It's not about the guy who was shot dead anymore....it's about the state of our country and the failure of successive governments to see what was coming.

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By *entscotscplCouple over a year ago

falkirk ish

wonders what would happen if we responsible pees in the country we to do the same re rising fuel and food costs ?????????????

we would be slaughtered

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By *he_original_poloWoman over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

Another excellent point.

You really think so?

Do you really think they are comparable?

Rioters in other countries who have had family members dragged away from their homes, beaten, killed, women and children raped all because they dare to stand up and disagree with the way the country is being run..... and you think these poor fuckers are on equal ground as the fuckwit scum looting designer and electrical stores in this country?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Diddy Cameron is on his way home.

I'm sure the looters will be terrified at the thought.

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By *entscotscplCouple over a year ago

falkirk ish

must appolagise re that one lol xx

s diff thread is maybe needed for that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

this is fucking crazy

i want to go n kick their arses so i can only begin to imagine how frustrated the police are feeling

this is going to break this country we are counting the pennies as it is the cost of clearing up after these selfish little cunts could be that final straw

my thoughts are with the poor buisness and home owners that have lost everything its heartbreaking

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By *he_original_poloWoman over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

It's not about the guy who was shot dead anymore....it's about the state of our country and the failure of successive governments to see what was coming."

Utter rubbish.

It's about greed. It's about gangster crap mentality. It's about brainless dickheads thinking it's a fucking great night out with the lads..... innit.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"When people have been rioting in other countries this year the Goverenment said, them leaders should listen to their people and step down, even went on to bomb one country to help the rioters

Happens on our streets and same Government call the people criminals

I do see your point, but do really, genuinely think that politics is the prime motivation for all this?

Or just a convenient scapegoat?

Because it certainly is not about one dead male, and a peaceful protest anymore, is it?

It's not about the guy who was shot dead anymore....it's about the state of our country and the failure of successive governments to see what was coming."

In what sense?

The weakness of the authorities due to successive generations of do- gooders and political correctness?

Or maybe the oportunistic criminality of those that have been brought up without any respect for their fellow man?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

if this was in another country they would just shoot them. Police or army should just go in and use rubber bullets and stop the tossers who are doing it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Another excellent point.

You really think so?

Do you really think they are comparable?

I'm with you. The situations are completely different.

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"Is there the facility within English Law to impose Martial Law?

If so.....who will enforce this Martial Law?

what do u propose then jane?

or u just gonna sit there criticizing everyone but the fucktards rioting.

we need a quick solution at the minute

I am not proposing anything....I am questioning whether there are Martial Law powers within English Law....you can't just make laws up as you go along.

yes there is the riot act of 1701 in which the proclamation is made as said below :

Our Sovereign Lord the King\queen charge and command all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the act made in the first year of King George, for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King\queen!

Consequences of disregarding the proclamation

If a group of people failed to disperse within one hour of the proclamation, the act provided that the authorities could use force to disperse them. Anyone assisting with the dispersal was specifically indemnified against any legal consequences in the event of any of the crowd being injured or killed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The people on the streets of our cities ain`t got the same motivations as those fighting fer their freedoms in the Arab states and Persian Gulf..or China..Burma etc...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago
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It's not about the guy who was shot dead anymore....it's about the state of our country and the failure of successive governments to see what was coming.

Utter rubbish.

It's about greed. It's about gangster crap mentality. It's about brainless dickheads thinking it's a fucking great night out with the lads..... innit."

Agree totally

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"When people have been rioting in other countries this year the Goverenment said, them leaders should listen to their people and step down, even went on to bomb one country to help the rioters

Happens on our streets and same Government call the people criminals

I do see your point, but do really, genuinely think that politics is the prime motivation for all this?

Or just a convenient scapegoat?

Because it certainly is not about one dead male, and a peaceful protest anymore, is it?

Perhaps the shooting and the peaceful protest were just the catalyst that was needed?"

You may well be right. The police themselves have now admitted that they "could have communicated better" with the family of the deceased. Apparently they did not communicate at all and hence the "peaceful" protest was held to get information.

This is symptomatic of the system's lack of communication with the people it is supposed to serve. For example, has anyone here participated in a genuine "consultation process". I'd be very interested to hear if they have.

Seems things are decided and consultations held after any decision rather than before.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"When people have been rioting in other countries this year the Goverenment said, them leaders should listen to their people and step down, even went on to bomb one country to help the rioters

Happens on our streets and same Government call the people criminals

I do see your point, but do really, genuinely think that politics is the prime motivation for all this?

Or just a convenient scapegoat?

Because it certainly is not about one dead male, and a peaceful protest anymore, is it?

It's not about the guy who was shot dead anymore....it's about the state of our country and the failure of successive governments to see what was coming."

oh yes because these are inteligent human beings that have the ability to reason and judge what state the country is in aren't they

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"if this was in another country they would just shoot them. Police or army should just go in and use rubber bullets and stop the tossers who are doing it"

Now we are getting down to the nitty gritty....you want the British Army to go onto our streets and open fire on their countrymen?

It's not Syria

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's not about the guy who was shot dead anymore....it's about the state of our country and the failure of successive governments to see what was coming.

Utter rubbish.

It's about greed. It's about gangster crap mentality. It's about brainless dickheads thinking it's a fucking great night out with the lads..... innit."

Role models writ large..

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By *entscotscplCouple over a year ago

falkirk ish

yes why not shoot them ?

or why not wash them down the street with water cannons

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"yes why not shoot them ?

or why not wash them down the street with water cannons

"
why shoot them

that dose not make any sense

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"if this was in another country they would just shoot them. Police or army should just go in and use rubber bullets and stop the tossers who are doing it

Now we are getting down to the nitty gritty....you want the British Army to go onto our streets and open fire on their countrymen?

It's not Syria

actually yes i do

watter cannons and rubber bullets make the arseholes think twice about their motivation

i'm actually curious now

how exactly do you think they should deal with it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"if this was in another country they would just shoot them. Police or army should just go in and use rubber bullets and stop the tossers who are doing it

Now we are getting down to the nitty gritty....you want the British Army to go onto our streets and open fire on their countrymen?

It's not Syria

my dad was trained in N Ireland to fire rubber bullets and use battons if the protests got out of hand during Drumcree.. dont see why the streets of London/Birmingham could be different

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By *he_original_poloWoman over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

oh yes because these are inteligent human beings that have the ability to reason and judge what state the country is in aren't they

I doubt many of them have the capacity to work out what state McDonalds toilets are in.

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

oh yes because these are inteligent human beings that have the ability to reason and judge what state the country is in aren't they

I doubt many of them have the capacity to work out what state McDonalds toilets are in."

lmfao

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i want the british army to go in and humble some cowardly fuck riotters

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By *entscotscplCouple over a year ago

falkirk ish

oh yes it makes a lot of sense

they go on about socialy depraved

they should realise if they want the nicer things in life they need to seek work and earn a living

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Out of curiousity are the areas that the rioting is happening poor areas or affluent areas?"

as an exiled yank/cockney i'll try and answer that....

rather than saying poor or affluent because even in tottenham, enfield, wood green, brixton and walthamstow.. which were all hit before today... there are rich and poor parts in each and that do sit side by side....

I will say that the places that have been hit so far are probably a lot of the places that have had the most strained relationships with the police over the year.... hackney, east ham, barking, ilford, whitechapel, bow and bethnal green in east london....

croydon right down in south london...

lewisham,catford,deptford, new cross and woolwich in south east london

I am surprise they have had trouble at clapham junction.... and romford.. lets just say those are more "leafy" than all the ones above

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By *rT30Man over a year ago

Munster

"if this was in another country they would just shoot them. Police or army should just go in and use rubber bullets and stop the tossers who are doing it

Now we are getting down to the nitty gritty....you want the British Army to go onto our streets and open fire on their countrymen?

It's not Syria

It may not be Syria but i bet if those rioters say the British army imposing proper law and order with force they would run like dogs back to wherever they came from.

However how to control the army i another thing. The police are trained for that situation the army are not.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"yes why not shoot them ?

or why not wash them down the street with water cannons

Because they would have to import them from Northern Ireland and there simply isnt time!

The looters are not intetrested in how it started, just how much they can get from it be it kudos or plasma screens.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The use of water cannon and rubber bullets are prohibited on the British Mainland.

What shall we do? send the army in with live rounds to shoot British citizens in London?

Nah,don't think so

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

oh yes because these are inteligent human beings that have the ability to reason and judge what state the country is in aren't they

I doubt many of them have the capacity to work out what state McDonalds toilets are in."

lmfao

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By *rT30Man over a year ago

Munster

Out of curiousity are the areas that the rioting is happening poor areas or affluent areas?

as an exiled yank/cockney i'll try and answer that....

croydon right down in south london...

lewisham,catford,deptford, new cross and woolwich in south east london

I am surprise they have had trouble at clapham junction.... and romford.. lets just say those are more "leafy" than all the ones above

Cheers Fabio. Very detailed answer. Was just wondering if it was maybe a class related iot.

Thanks again

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"When people have been rioting in other countries this year the Goverenment said, them leaders should listen to their people and step down, even went on to bomb one country to help the rioters

Happens on our streets and same Government call the people criminals

I do see your point, but do really, genuinely think that politics is the prime motivation for all this?

Or just a convenient scapegoat?

Because it certainly is not about one dead male, and a peaceful protest anymore, is it?

Perhaps the shooting and the peaceful protest were just the catalyst that was needed?

Seems things are decided and consultations held after any decision rather than before."

but spose that irrellevant. let's concentrate on slagging off the hoodies instead of dealing with the real issues then, shall we?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The use of water cannon and rubber bullets are prohibited on the British Mainland.

What shall we do? send the army in with live rounds to shoot British citizens in London?

Nah,don't think so"

well send me in then cause my hackles are so far up watching it i'll sort the little fuckers out

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"When people have been rioting in other countries this year the Goverenment said, them leaders should listen to their people and step down, even went on to bomb one country to help the rioters

Happens on our streets and same Government call the people criminals

I do see your point, but do really, genuinely think that politics is the prime motivation for all this?

Or just a convenient scapegoat?

Because it certainly is not about one dead male, and a peaceful protest anymore, is it?

Perhaps the shooting and the peaceful protest were just the catalyst that was needed?

Seems things are decided and consultations held after any decision rather than before.

but spose that irrellevant. let's concentrate on slagging off the hoodies instead of dealing with the real issues then, shall we? "

go on then what are the real issues?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

very constructive.

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By *ornyHorwichCpl aka HHCCouple over a year ago

horwich

"London Riots..This appeal hopes to raise money for food and clothing parcels, clothing is most needed such as Kappa tracksuits (his+hers), white socks to tuck the bottom of the tracksuit into, Burberry caps and Reebok trainers. Primark clothing is most welcome. Food Parcels are also needed * they should include Mcains micro chips, Aldi beans, Monster munch Crisps, Nuttella chocolate spread and Iceland Pizzas...The British Red Cross has so far managed to ship 4,000 crates of Sunny Delight to the area to help with the crisis. Rescue workers are still searching through the rubble and have found large quantities of personal belongings, which include benefit books, jewellery from Elizabeth Dukes,Bone China from Poundstretcher and a number of Argos catalogues...One resident Tracey Sharon Smith, a 15year old mother of four said "it was such a shock..little Chardonnay-Leigh came running through the cardboard door into my bedroom crying...My youngest two,Tyler-Brooklyn and Kai-Keanu slept through it all. My hands were shaking so much I could hardly shoot up when I was watching Trisha the next morning. Cash donations are also needed, 22p buys a Bic Biro for signing on purposes, £1.50 buys cheese and chips and £35 buys 200 Regal from 'Tommo' who has just got back from Ibiza..."

pmsl

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"The use of water cannon and rubber bullets are prohibited on the British Mainland.

What shall we do? send the army in with live rounds to shoot British citizens in London?

Nah,don't think so"

Thank you.....

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

The thing is most of this damage if not all will not be covered by insurance as its generally classed as civil commotion which means the tax payer will pick up the costs for these tele's and trainers ,buildings cars,police overtime.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

now who was it who said 'hug a hoodie'??

oh yes, our dave in 2006.

like to see the soppy git try it this evening

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"When people have been rioting in other countries this year the Goverenment said, them leaders should listen to their people and step down, even went on to bomb one country to help the rioters

Happens on our streets and same Government call the people criminals

I do see your point, but do really, genuinely think that politics is the prime motivation for all this?

Or just a convenient scapegoat?

Because it certainly is not about one dead male, and a peaceful protest anymore, is it?

Perhaps the shooting and the peaceful protest were just the catalyst that was needed?

Seems things are decided and consultations held after any decision rather than before.

but spose that irrellevant. let's concentrate on slagging off the hoodies instead of dealing with the real issues then, shall we?

go on then what are the real issues?"

do you not think it was a big mistake in communication that provided the opportunity for "rogue" elements to use the peaceful protest to spark the riots?

or is it just me?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i'm still curious

those that say oh no no no can't go in heavy

what do you think they should do then?

do you honestly think it should just carry on the way it is now?

your quick enough to critise us that say get in n kick their butts but yet i hear no offer of a solution from yourselves

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"When people have been rioting in other countries this year the Goverenment said, them leaders should listen to their people and step down, even went on to bomb one country to help the rioters

Happens on our streets and same Government call the people criminals

I do see your point, but do really, genuinely think that politics is the prime motivation for all this?

Or just a convenient scapegoat?

Because it certainly is not about one dead male, and a peaceful protest anymore, is it?

Perhaps the shooting and the peaceful protest were just the catalyst that was needed?

Seems things are decided and consultations held after any decision rather than before.

but spose that irrellevant. let's concentrate on slagging off the hoodies instead of dealing with the real issues then, shall we?

go on then what are the real issues?

do you not think it was a big mistake in communication that provided the opportunity for "rogue" elements to use the peaceful protest to spark the riots?

or is it just me?"

Inept community policing fer sure....makes you wonder what if any lessons are ever learned..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

am out of here. goodnight all

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The use of water cannon and rubber bullets are prohibited on the British Mainland.

What shall we do? send the army in with live rounds to shoot British citizens in London?

Nah,don't think so"

well then I am sure very soon they will be un prohibited..

They need to stamp and stamp hard... as its mindless violence.

Its lack of respect, and its because they know that the polices powers are limited.. so delimit them.

cali x

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

1995....140,000 under 25's unemployed

2011....1,015,000 under 25's unemployed

Regardless of political persuasion successive governments have let a whole generation down.

That DOES have a bearing on the current situation and state our country is in.

A lot of people have simply given in

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"very constructive."

But he has a point.

You insist this is politically motivated.. don't see any of the looters trying to get their political point across..

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By *rT30Man over a year ago

Munster

Just a quick question for anyone that is intrested.

Are the police gone soft?

Not just in Britan but in Ireland aswell.

Are they a soft touch now because of the whole pc culture?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just a quick question for anyone that is intrested.

Are the police gone soft?

Not just in Britan but in Ireland aswell.

Are they a soft touch now because of the whole pc culture?"

no they haven't gone soft they just have their hands tied

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

"1995....140,000 under 25's unemployed

2011....1,015,000 under 25's unemployed

Regardless of political persuasion successive governments have let a whole generation down.

That DOES have a bearing on the current situation and state our country is in.

A lot of people have simply given in"

But does that warrant them looting for a plasma?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just a quick question for anyone that is intrested.

Are the police gone soft?

Not just in Britan but in Ireland aswell.

Are they a soft touch now because of the whole pc culture?

no they haven't gone soft they just have their hands tied "
hiding mare like

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just a quick question for anyone that is intrested.

Are the police gone soft?

Not just in Britan but in Ireland aswell.

Are they a soft touch now because of the whole pc culture?"

I think so.. heard today someone saying if they put a curfew on it would be against peoples human rights...

If this is not stamped on hard it will spread.. and I have family around there...and my dad has rang me scared.. he wants to go to my Aunties now... even though at moment he is not on the doorstep of these areas.. but because of the possibility of it spreading.

I think the police really have gone soft.. I have thought that for some time.. the police themselves over events admit that their powers are limited...

I watched the news... people are doing this for enjoyment..

As if we dont.. what city will be next.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

how quickly the old jokes get recycled

remember that doing the rounds after the Bradford riots

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"The use of water cannon and rubber bullets are prohibited on the British Mainland.

What shall we do? send the army in with live rounds to shoot British citizens in London?

Nah,don't think so"

no read the riot act -give the innocent an hour to fuck off home then go in trunchions pulled and crack any heads left..the law has to reign supreme and the innocent protected..imo

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sky News are having residents in Croydon phoning in to their studios pleading for someone to get the fire brigade in...

Is there an element of political gamesmanship going on here by certain leading police officers?

Would it be beneficial to have innocent families die in order to strengthen the hand of certain groups?

Aah the same argument I put to my OH and daughter. I live four miles from Lewisham town centre and a quarter of a mile off the south circular. There is a constant sound of sirens. There's a massive police station in Lewisham. I'm assuming it's help coming in and not the police fleeing the scene!

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By *rT30Man over a year ago

Munster

It goes beyond just the riots.

The polices lack of authority has been coming for years.

Human rights are needed but things have gone to the other extreme now.

Least all the Irish over there can re-build the place now!

Bit of work for the lads!

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By *obbytupperMan over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

Monkey see, monkey do!

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"1995....140,000 under 25's unemployed

2011....1,015,000 under 25's unemployed

Regardless of political persuasion successive governments have let a whole generation down.

That DOES have a bearing on the current situation and state our country is in.

A lot of people have simply given in

But does that warrant them looting for a plasma?"

Not in the least....but situations like this often take years to simmer away and boil over, successive governments have continually swept the problem of horrific youth unemployment under the carpet....it's like one of those accidents you can see and know it's going to happen....but be powerless as ordinary citizens to prevent it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"1995....140,000 under 25's unemployed

2011....1,015,000 under 25's unemployed

Regardless of political persuasion successive governments have let a whole generation down.

That DOES have a bearing on the current situation and state our country is in.

A lot of people have simply given in"

do you honestly think these mindless thugs have any concept of that in the first place?

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

"1995....140,000 under 25's unemployed

2011....1,015,000 under 25's unemployed

Regardless of political persuasion successive governments have let a whole generation down.

That DOES have a bearing on the current situation and state our country is in.

A lot of people have simply given in

But does that warrant them looting for a plasma?

When I left school many moons ago and where I lived there was high unemployment then too....yes, it was frustating, but it didn't make me want to go loot a shop for it.

If these people were incensed with their situation, surely they would be planning demonstrations not seeing who can get the biggest telly out of the shop.

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

Sky News are having residents in Croydon phoning in to their studios pleading for someone to get the fire brigade in...

Is there an element of political gamesmanship going on here by certain leading police officers?

Would it be beneficial to have innocent families die in order to strengthen the hand of certain groups?

Just listened on Sky to the Croydon shopkeeper who has had his place looted and burnt down, he walked the 200 yards to the Fire Station only to be told by the police officers outside that they were not allowing the brigade to fight fires as it could be unsafe.

There seems to be a lot of this 'onlooking' going on tonight.

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

We are still not pretending this is political...

They are kids on the rampage... Mum is getting her weave done in case a sky camera asks for a statement, dad will be either getting whacked on a spliff or cheering the proud product of his sperm on....

They have little or no education apart from downloads from I tunes..... And they want some good stories to impress with.

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"1995....140,000 under 25's unemployed

2011....1,015,000 under 25's unemployed

Regardless of political persuasion successive governments have let a whole generation down.

That DOES have a bearing on the current situation and state our country is in.

A lot of people have simply given in

do you honestly think these mindless thugs have any concept of that in the first place?

As they have no jobs...and little prospect of getting a job....then YES.

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By *ornyHorwichCpl aka HHCCouple over a year ago

horwich

And one girl on Sky is doing it to get her taxes back????? Now thats logic

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i'm still curious

those that say oh no no no can't go in heavy

what do you think they should do then?

do you honestly think it should just carry on the way it is now?

your quick enough to critise us that say get in n kick their butts but yet i hear no offer of a solution from yourselves"

There was a big match not far from there that day. Experienced in crowd control but no sign of them to control the riots.

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

Cause any decent parent would have the child home...

Incase..

1. They get hurt

2.. They get into trouble

3.. They hurt someone

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

Sky News are having residents in Croydon phoning in to their studios pleading for someone to get the fire brigade in...

Is there an element of political gamesmanship going on here by certain leading police officers?

It could also be that the Fire service are stretched to the limit as well as the Police??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We are still not pretending this is political...

They have little or no education apart from downloads from I tunes..... And they want some good stories to impress with.

Don't think anyone is denying that but it does not detract from the lack of communication by the authorities which allowed a situation to occur which these people were ready to exploit. No one should have to experience this kind of rioting.

Why do we have an elected government?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"1995....140,000 under 25's unemployed

2011....1,015,000 under 25's unemployed

Regardless of political persuasion successive governments have let a whole generation down.

That DOES have a bearing on the current situation and state our country is in.

A lot of people have simply given in

do you honestly think these mindless thugs have any concept of that in the first place?

As they have no jobs...and little prospect of getting a job....then YES."

Words (almost) fail me.

My friend can't get a job but she hasn't robbed me!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"1995....140,000 under 25's unemployed

2011....1,015,000 under 25's unemployed

Regardless of political persuasion successive governments have let a whole generation down.

That DOES have a bearing on the current situation and state our country is in.

A lot of people have simply given in

do you honestly think these mindless thugs have any concept of that in the first place?

As they have no jobs...and little prospect of getting a job....then YES."

different topic perhaps but there are jobs out there to be had, just people see them as below them!

was a few years ago now but i watched a programme where researchers stood outside a job centre offering a job working in the fields picking crops and they were told by the majority of the people they spoke to to 'give it to the Polish'!

and when they do get jobs they ahave absolutely NO regard for company policies, any drive to actually work etc

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"1995....140,000 under 25's unemployed

2011....1,015,000 under 25's unemployed

Regardless of political persuasion successive governments have let a whole generation down.

That DOES have a bearing on the current situation and state our country is in.

A lot of people have simply given in

do you honestly think these mindless thugs have any concept of that in the first place?

As they have no jobs...and little prospect of getting a job....then YES."

ok ok no need to shout i'm not deaf

just watching sky news and a reporter asked a girl if she was proud of what she was doing her retort was

"gettin me taxes back innit"

doesn't really go with your unemployment theory cause obviously she works if she wants her taxes back

innit

imho it has nothing to do with unemployement it has everything to do with opportunism

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"1995....140,000 under 25's unemployed

2011....1,015,000 under 25's unemployed

Regardless of political persuasion successive governments have let a whole generation down.

That DOES have a bearing on the current situation and state our country is in.

A lot of people have simply given in

But does that warrant them looting for a plasma?

When I left school many moons ago and where I lived there was high unemployment then too....yes, it was frustating, but it didn't make me want to go loot a shop for it.

If these people were incensed with their situation, surely they would be planning demonstrations not seeing who can get the biggest telly out of the shop.

These people are suffering due to the theives, vandals and looters who have exploited a situation which was not adequately controlled. These people are the people of Britain, the majority are not counted amongst the looters.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago
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"Cause any decent parent would have the child home...

Incase..

1. They get hurt

2.. They get into trouble

3.. They hurt someone

This is my thought as well

Just heard eye witness accounts at clapham that the crowds of kids have forced the police to retreat back and to a point that there is very little police presence there while all the shops are looted and then they ask the public to get out there and help clear the streets?

My children would be dragged home by their ears if they were out tonight

It lawless chaos and someone needs to make a decision to get in there and kick some ass before lives are lost as the night goes on and it becomes more feral

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

"1995....140,000 under 25's unemployed

2011....1,015,000 under 25's unemployed

Regardless of political persuasion successive governments have let a whole generation down.

That DOES have a bearing on the current situation and state our country is in.

A lot of people have simply given in

But does that warrant them looting for a plasma?

When I left school many moons ago and where I lived there was high unemployment then too....yes, it was frustating, but it didn't make me want to go loot a shop for it.

If these people were incensed with their situation, surely they would be planning demonstrations not seeing who can get the biggest telly out of the shop.

I don't believe I said otherwise?

I am guessing when I said " these people" and looting that any sensible person would recognise that I was talking about the people doing the looting.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just been reading Martin lewis ( Moneysavinexpert feller ) on Facebook and, as he states there, these are all acts of civil disturbance so NO general buildings insurance policies will cover for that

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

It's NOT political....it's Social.

When I was in South London earlier in the year sorting out my late aunts house I had to pick up some supplies from a B&Q store for the decorator.

They couldn't find a single member of staff who could load my car up with heavy paint tins and cement....because all the staff on duty were above the retirement age!

These jobs should be the realm of young people, unemployed young people....the country has been turned on it's head because we are more intent on employing people above the age of retirement because they are cheaper than a 22 year old full time worker.

It has an enormous impact on the attitudes and outlook for these young adults, we need to give them more opportunities to build themselves a decent life.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"1995....140,000 under 25's unemployed

2011....1,015,000 under 25's unemployed

Regardless of political persuasion successive governments have let a whole generation down.

That DOES have a bearing on the current situation and state our country is in.

A lot of people have simply given in

But does that warrant them looting for a plasma?

When I left school many moons ago and where I lived there was high unemployment then too....yes, it was frustating, but it didn't make me want to go loot a shop for it.

If these people were incensed with their situation, surely they would be planning demonstrations not seeing who can get the biggest telly out of the shop.

I don't believe I said otherwise?

I am guessing when I said " these people" and looting that any sensible person would recognise that I was talking about the people doing the looting."

oi! u saying I am not sensible?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"1995....140,000 under 25's unemployed

2011....1,015,000 under 25's unemployed

Regardless of political persuasion successive governments have let a whole generation down.

That DOES have a bearing on the current situation and state our country is in.

A lot of people have simply given in

But does that warrant them looting for a plasma?

When I left school many moons ago and where I lived there was high unemployment then too....yes, it was frustating, but it didn't make me want to go loot a shop for it.

If these people were incensed with their situation, surely they would be planning demonstrations not seeing who can get the biggest telly out of the shop.

Sorry but I think you are deluded

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

If the cap fits

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

is there a spare wall anywhere? i feel the need to bang my head against it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If the cap fits

That's me told then, better put a "D" on it.

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By *umourCouple over a year ago

Rushden

I have to say this, it has been festering since I read the now closed thread!

Looking at the posts on here, something struck me! One poster has a very nice lifestyle and own business. Posted a few weeks ago about going off to buy somewhere overseas for holidays. More to the point, they live in an area which is very unlikely to see any rioting or the problems seen elsewhere! But they are defending these scum of the earth as though they are poor little hard done by, misunderstood kids!

Others on here are also defending them as well and trying to say that the system has made them do it! BOLLOCKS! I grew up on a very poor estate and we had nothing as kids! We woke on a winters morning with ice on the bedclothes where we were breathing out. None of us even thought of going out and looting, burning and other violent acts.

Maybe the army are not trained in crown control, but I for one would love em to go in!

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

"If the cap fits

That's me told then, better put a "D" on it.

You know where the corner is.

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By *iewMan over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

Gaddaffi will sleep well tonight

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have to say this, it has been festering since I read the now closed thread!

Maybe the army are not trained in crown control, but I for one would love em to go in!"

here here

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have to say this, it has been festering since I read the now closed thread!

Maybe the army are not trained in crowd control, but I for one would love em to go in!"

Agree totally

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago
Forum Mod

Maybe the army are not trained in crown control, but I for one would love em to go in!"

So would I

These little shits are laughing their stupid heads off at all authority at the moment,and getting away with it,they have all control of this and they know it

They need to be stopped

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have to say this, it has been festering since I read the now closed thread!

Maybe the army are not trained in crown control, but I for one would love em to go in!"

And people who aren`t black...not understanding the resentment...

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"I have to say this, it has been festering since I read the now closed thread!

For your information I was born and grew up in the very areas that are tonight embroiled in the riots, you look at my present location and assume far too much!

I moved here in '97 because I have worked hard enough to be able to afford to....and am buying abroad because we have worked for years for that blessing, because we were lucky enough to have careers that have aided that.

That out of the way....during my years of living and working (Kings College Hospital) in those areas, I have witnessed the hopelessness that the young in those areas have been led to expect and put up with.

True some do manage to claw their way out with the aid of education, and often a great big helping of luck, but the majority don't...it's as simple as that.

And it's not about these being poor misunderstood kids at all....it's about a whole generation being written off.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

By whose fault. ?

cant blame politics all the time.

As said in an earlier post...its down to parenting . simples

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By *iggles and BeardyCouple over a year ago

Bristol

All ready made plans that if Bristol kicks off and joins in, that my kids and wife are off to a friends.

Got my sledge hammer ready for any numpty who comes neer my home.

I agree with call a cerfew and send in the rubber bullets and water.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sorry but its all about having "fun", it is nothing to do about lost generation and being hopeless without a prospect of getting anyway. Nowhere else in Europe would they allow this! I was in Berlin 3 years ago on the 1st May Labour Day they started a roit, but within 1 hour police with riot gear [full body armour] water cannons dogs the lot where there and they stopped it in hours... We live in a nanny state where hard working people arent allowed to defend themselves but have to just be quiet and sit in the corner ... D.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Night peeps, hope all you London based folk are safe tonight xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Night peeps, hope all you London based folk are safe tonight xx"

night night treacle

i think those sentiments go for all of us

xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sorry but its all about having "fun", it is nothing to do about lost generation and being hopeless without a prospect of getting anyway. Nowhere else in Europe would they allow this! I was in Berlin 3 years ago on the 1st May Labour Day they started a roit, but within 1 hour police with riot gear [full body armour] water cannons dogs the lot where there and they stopped it in hours... We live in a nanny state where hard working people arent allowed to defend themselves but have to just be quiet and sit in the corner ... D. "

Ohhhh this is fun they want

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-14452468

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By *umourCouple over a year ago

Rushden

"For your information I was born and grew up in the very areas that are tonight embroiled in the riots, you look at my present location and assume far too much!

True some do manage to claw their way out with the aid of education, and often a great big helping of luck, but the majority don't...it's as simple as that.

And it's not about these being poor misunderstood kids at all....it's about a whole generation being written off."

If the cap fits! So you have proved my point for me. You were born and grew up in one of the areas affected and look at you! Look at what you have amassed! Nothing is out of the reach of those who have a desire to make better of themselves! Coming from a similar estate, I also have done reasonably well for myself. Again proving my point!

You and others here are appologists for scum that deserve nothing because they don't want to better themselves. No one can make any valid excuse for what is going on. This is not poitical or social in the terms you so obviously think it is. This is nothing more than anarchy on the streets of England...

Send in the troops! Give police REAL powers and get this scum off the streets! And if you really want to talk about a whole generation being written off? Look to the families! Look to the absent fathers and the drugs that abound. No one forced any of these families to end up as they have. My family certainly didn't!

Again, there is NO EXCUSE!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Has Luton kicked off yet? If not, they soon will, they always like to play follow the leader.

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By *rumalexMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"Has Luton kicked off yet? If not, they soon will, they always like to play follow the leader."

i'd reckon liverpool leeds or manchester would start off next

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By *oantrimcpl2010Couple over a year ago

Lisburn

Im honestly flabbergasted of some of the things that have been said. To be caught up living in that enviroment isnt a nice experience. It is hard to watch peoples lively hood go up in flames, as well as personal things. Some people are going to lose a hell of alot and why??? This is what the 3rd night of riots, and looks to be no end to it, I dont understand why the water cannons havnt already left northern ireland(if thats is where they are), its going over a stretch of water for frig sake not the other end of the world.

Someone else mentioned about the parents of these rioters, and i agree, why have they not got this children at home, given them a boot up the ass and taken control of thier offspring. It has nothing to do with living in poverty, that is just an excuse, and not acceptable. Where is thier concern for thier children???

Im gonna stop here as i seem to be going on a bit

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"1995....140,000 under 25's unemployed

2011....1,015,000 under 25's unemployed

Regardless of political persuasion successive governments have let a whole generation down.

That DOES have a bearing on the current situation and state our country is in.

A lot of people have simply given in

do you honestly think these mindless thugs have any concept of that in the first place?

As they have no jobs...and little prospect of getting a job....then YES.

different topic perhaps but there are jobs out there to be had, just people see them as below them!

and when they do get jobs they ahave absolutely NO regard for company policies, any drive to actually work etc"

Some of the population become lazy and stupid. It's kinda that simple. Simple, but hard to swallow for leftists.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

a 3rd night of riots

and yet the police cant seam to handle it.

an this government want to cut them back;

i think the government would have to do a complete re-think before doing this

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"To me it looks like high value shops are being targeted and has nothing to do with protesting against whatever is troubling them. What do you think? "

Not sure of the motivations but I've just had some Irish teenage looters trying to sell me suff from 'help the aged!'

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"For your information I was born and grew up in the very areas that are tonight embroiled in the riots, you look at my present location and assume far too much!

True some do manage to claw their way out with the aid of education, and often a great big helping of luck, but the majority don't...it's as simple as that.

And it's not about these being poor misunderstood kids at all....it's about a whole generation being written off.

Again, there is NO EXCUSE!"

Unemployment in some of these London Boroughs, particularly amongst black youths, can be as high as Four times the national average....that is the reality of the matter.

Large companies need to be forced, by way of tax penalties, to take these young people and employ them....Tescos for example make obscene profits from these very areas of London yet five out of six new Tesco jobs are part time and under 16 hours a week...it's time for joined up thinking by governments, regardless of political persuasion, to get this generation back on track.

Stop encouraging companies to employ part time workers in their early Seventies and find a way to encourage (or force) them into employing young people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"For your information I was born and grew up in the very areas that are tonight embroiled in the riots, you look at my present location and assume far too much!

True some do manage to claw their way out with the aid of education, and often a great big helping of luck, but the majority don't...it's as simple as that.

And it's not about these being poor misunderstood kids at all....it's about a whole generation being written off.

Again, there is NO EXCUSE!

Unemployment in some of these London Boroughs, particularly amongst black youths, can be as high as Four times the national average....that is the reality of the matter.

Stop encouraging companies to employ part time workers in their early Seventies and find a way to encourage (or force) them into employing young people."

Ok, you have utterly lost your mind.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ive just sat watching the bbc news and how things are unfolding in london and b,ham

The coppers seems to be standing down for the most part.

I do think the troops need to be deployed now....

If the coppers cant cope what hope is there of sorting it out ?

signed

gobsmacked

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Has Luton kicked off yet? If not, they soon will, they always like to play follow the leader."

Heard they are clubbing together in Kensington and Chelsea to buy a dd bus to burn. It's all the rage u know.

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By *ENGUYMan over a year ago

Hull

There has to be a reality check here!

With the news now broadcasting reports of parts of Ealing now ablaze, plus looting in Camden, this isn't a case of social deprivation.

This to me, appears to be totally orchestrated violence. To me, it seems that there are darker forces "in charge" right now. Maybe, those "faceless" ones who normally hijack every peaceful protest in London and turn it into violence!

These aren't anything to do with what happened in Tottenham on Saturday; any similar incident would have set off the whole series of events we are witnessing now.

So for all the do-gooders and apologists on here tonight who want to spout on about social issues etc, those arguments have been lost to those thugs who are causing chaos out there tonight.

Unfortunately, it is a minority of scum bags who are causing all of this.

The law enforcement authorities have to be given their muscle, they have to be able to fight back. Bring out the troops, bring out the bullets, bring out the water cannon. Fight back with equal force.

It may not be Britain as we'd like to have it, but we have to get used to it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Our society is the way it is not because of successsive governments who have let down a generation as some people have said, but because of all the lily-livered liberal apologists that keep on insisting that these little darlings are simply angry and frustrated that they haven't had the same opportunities as everyone else.

Well that's just a complete and utter load of bollox! ...and it's about time we realised that some people just don't want to belong to a wider society where there are rules to follow and an honest livelihood to be earned as it's membership criteria. They *want* to live above and outside of the law, and they *want* to use any excuse available to reinforce that ideaology and cause absolute disruption wherever and whenever possible.

I know how I'd deal with them but I think some may find my methods too unpallateable.

As for the post above regarding a young mum and her child having her car smashed up while they were still in it, well, that's really boiled my fucking piss tonight! Where's the CO19 gentleman who's a bloody good shot when you need him!

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"For your information I was born and grew up in the very areas that are tonight embroiled in the riots, you look at my present location and assume far too much!

True some do manage to claw their way out with the aid of education, and often a great big helping of luck, but the majority don't...it's as simple as that.

And it's not about these being poor misunderstood kids at all....it's about a whole generation being written off.

Again, there is NO EXCUSE!

Unemployment in some of these London Boroughs, particularly amongst black youths, can be as high as Four times the national average....that is the reality of the matter.

Stop encouraging companies to employ part time workers in their early Seventies and find a way to encourage (or force) them into employing young people.

Ok, you have utterly lost your mind."

I live in the REAL world, you live in the student world where there seems to be an answer for everything from a text book....because some sociologist or economist stated it as a theory in their utopian world thirty or forty years ago.....I know, I have been that student!

REAL world.....even in leafy Devon, I put an advert up on my shop window (when I had it) for a young assistant to be trained up as an chocolatier, at my expense...I had over SEVENTY applications from young people in three days. I relented and took on Two, couldn't afford to employ any more.

That is the real world....mass unemployment amongst our young and disenfranchised.

Action is needed now.

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By *1dKingColeMan over a year ago

east london

It's to easy to point to 'social' pressures such as unemployment, but a lot of the ones in the middle of the trouble are school kids to whom it's really just a big lark and have no perception of the consequences.

What can you do about them?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There has to be a reality check here!

With the news now broadcasting reports of parts of Ealing now ablaze, plus looting in Camden, this isn't a case of social deprivation.

These aren't anything to do with what happened in Tottenham on Saturday; any similar incident would have set off the whole series of events we are witnessing now.

So for all the do-gooders and apologists on here tonight who want to spout on about social issues etc, those arguments have been lost to those thugs who are causing chaos out there tonight.

Unfortunately, it is a minority of scum bags who are causing all of this.

It may not be Britain as we'd like to have it, but we have to get used to it."

Why do we have to get used to it? The guilty could be apprehended and brought to justice? Now there's an idea.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's to easy to point to 'social' pressures such as unemployment, but a lot of the ones in the middle of the trouble are school kids to whom it's really just a big lark and have no perception of the consequences.

What can you do about them?

I know what i would do with them but then i would probably get arrested

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Unemployment in some of these London Boroughs, particularly amongst black youths, can be as high as Four times the national average....that is the reality of the matter.

Stop encouraging companies to employ part time workers in their early Seventies and find a way to encourage (or force) them into employing young people."

And what happens to those currently employed in those same jobs? That's what you're talking about here Jane - someone has to lose a job to provide a job for all those you want Tescos to be forced to take on.

Watching all this looting going on, it would be like giving the lunatics the keys to the asylum.

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By *thwalescplCouple over a year ago

brecon

"When people have been rioting in other countries this year the Goverenment said, them leaders should listen to their people and step down, even went on to bomb one country to help the rioters

Happens on our streets and same Government call the people criminals

Jeez.... so now the dickheads in this country are rioting because they live in a dictatorship and have a hankering for the right to vote?

Get a grip ffs!! These wankers are rioting because they are feckless, trouble-making, looting scum!!!

The two are completely different, and the scumbags in Tottenham, and now apparently Birmingham too now, are just using this as an opportunity to have a pop at the authorities and smash-n-grab some goodies.

I have no problem with people protesting in the streets peacefully, having their say etc, but this is criminal behaviour at its worst, and should be stamped on hard!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"When people have been rioting in other countries this year the Goverenment said, them leaders should listen to their people and step down, even went on to bomb one country to help the rioters

Happens on our streets and same Government call the people criminals

Jeez.... so now the dickheads in this country are rioting because they live in a dictatorship and have a hankering for the right to vote?

Get a grip ffs!! These wankers are rioting because they are feckless, trouble-making, looting scum!!!

I have no problem with people protesting in the streets peacefully, having their say etc, but this is criminal behaviour at its worst, and should be stamped on hard!"

agree..

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"Unemployment in some of these London Boroughs, particularly amongst black youths, can be as high as Four times the national average....that is the reality of the matter.

Stop encouraging companies to employ part time workers in their early Seventies and find a way to encourage (or force) them into employing young people.

Watching all this looting going on, it would be like giving the lunatics the keys to the asylum."

Tesco are opening Two or Three new stores a week in 2011....that's every week.

These are NEW jobs, not someone losing their jobs to a young unemployed person.

Instead of keeping these jobs under 16 hours and taking on people of retirement age....make them give them to young people.

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By *umourCouple over a year ago

Rushden

"REAL world.....even in leafy Devon, I put an advert up on my shop window (when I had it) for a young assistant to be trained up as an chocolatier, at my expense...I had over SEVENTY applications from young people in three days. I relented and took on Two, couldn't afford to employ any more.

That is the real world....mass unemployment amongst our young and disenfranchised.

Action is needed now."

And of course, both were disenfranchised kids from a sink estate who had given up hope? Thought not!

Do as I say, not as I do!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"When people have been rioting in other countries this year the Goverenment said, them leaders should listen to their people and step down, even went on to bomb one country to help the rioters

Happens on our streets and same Government call the people criminals

Jeez.... so now the dickheads in this country are rioting because they live in a dictatorship and have a hankering for the right to vote?

Get a grip ffs!! These wankers are rioting because they are feckless, trouble-making, looting scum!!!

I have no problem with people protesting in the streets peacefully, having their say etc, but this is criminal behaviour at its worst, and should be stamped on hard!"

with some very large hob nail boots

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"For your information I was born and grew up in the very areas that are tonight embroiled in the riots, you look at my present location and assume far too much!

True some do manage to claw their way out with the aid of education, and often a great big helping of luck, but the majority don't...it's as simple as that.

And it's not about these being poor misunderstood kids at all....it's about a whole generation being written off.

Again, there is NO EXCUSE!

Unemployment in some of these London Boroughs, particularly amongst black youths, can be as high as Four times the national average....that is the reality of the matter.

Stop encouraging companies to employ part time workers in their early Seventies and find a way to encourage (or force) them into employing young people.

Ok, you have utterly lost your mind.

That is the real world....mass unemployment amongst our young and disenfranchised.

Action is needed now."

You're talking about the working class. Those on the streets aren't working class. They are benefits class, colloquially known as Chavs.

They exist because of the Left and your stupid continual apologizing for behaviour that requires a sharp fucking smack by the law.

My policy would be the exact opposite of yours.

I say, you find a chav acting in the riots, you take his details to find his benefit card. He NEVER gets benefits again. Nothing NOTHING above subsistence level for the rest of his natural life. Food. That's it. No more.

Sooner or later, you got to pay the price. Otherwise people will take things into their own hands and we'll just beat the shit out of them.

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

"For your information I was born and grew up in the very areas that are tonight embroiled in the riots, you look at my present location and assume far too much!

True some do manage to claw their way out with the aid of education, and often a great big helping of luck, but the majority don't...it's as simple as that.

And it's not about these being poor misunderstood kids at all....it's about a whole generation being written off.

Again, there is NO EXCUSE!

Unemployment in some of these London Boroughs, particularly amongst black youths, can be as high as Four times the national average....that is the reality of the matter.

Stop encouraging companies to employ part time workers in their early Seventies and find a way to encourage (or force) them into employing young people.

Ok, you have utterly lost your mind.

That is the real world....mass unemployment amongst our young and disenfranchised.

Action is needed now."

yeah but this is still a minority of people not all young unemployed kids go out and create havoc ,the figure of a million kids unemployed is painfully inaccurate as it counts young people at uni who are looking for summer work for a start and besides they are not the first generation to face unemployment and compared to previous generations they are well off- poverty and suffering they dont know the meaning of the words-its mob rule and they are taking the piss !!

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By *ENGUYMan over a year ago

Hull

Stop encouraging companies to employ part time workers in their early Seventies and find a way to encourage (or force) them into employing young people."

What sanctimonious claptrap!!!

I've run businesses in the past, where given the choices I had in the labour market these days, unless there was some really gifted person under 40 applying, let alone in their 20's, I always went for the over 40's. When I had someone sitting in my office who was over 50 years old, I thought "hallelujah!".

Older workers were more reliable; they'd more respect for themselves and others. I could rely on them turning up as required; they had experience of life and above all, they were the best workers I had.

In contrast, the younger workers had no respect for anyone, let alone for themselves. They'd no wish to do hard work, they wanted it all on a plate, the element of getting lots of money but contributing nothing for it. They weren't interested in working; for most applicants who came to me looking for work, it was a case if they didn't, they'd have their benefits taken away. They'd no interest in working for themselves.

So for you, stay down in genteel Torquay and sip your G & T's, but to spout on about stopping companies employing older workers, you really are out of step with employment!

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple over a year ago

hexham

"To me it looks like high value shops are being targeted and has nothing to do with protesting against whatever is troubling them. What do you think? "

High value , i saw jd sports

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Has Luton kicked off yet? If not, they soon will, they always like to play follow the leader.

i'd reckon liverpool leeds or manchester would start off next"

Yup, Toxteth is always a good bet for a nice little riot, closely supported by Moss Side (I hope they do riot in Moss Side and burn the entire viper's nest of criminality down to it's foundations)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And one girl on Sky is doing it to get her taxes back????? Now thats logic"

you forgot the "init"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Stop encouraging companies to employ part time workers in their early Seventies and find a way to encourage (or force) them into employing young people.

What sanctimonious claptrap!!!

So for you, stay down in genteel Torquay and sip your G & T's, but to spout on about stopping companies employing older workers, you really are out of step with employment!"

It's just not meritocratic to penalise decent workers by replacing them with chavs. It's not only not economic, it's positively immoral.

Yeah, young people need work. Totally accept that. But they gotta earn it. There is no other way. You can't hand life to people on plates otherwise you'll wind up with the bunch of spoiled brats you see fucking up the streets right now.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Stop encouraging companies to employ part time workers in their early Seventies and find a way to encourage (or force) them into employing young people.

What sanctimonious claptrap!!!

So for you, stay down in genteel Torquay and sip your G & T's, but to spout on about stopping companies employing older workers, you really are out of step with employment!"

Well said

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By *ornyHorwichCpl aka HHCCouple over a year ago

horwich

"And one girl on Sky is doing it to get her taxes back????? Now thats logic

you forgot the "init" "

I refuse to quote it

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By *thwalescplCouple over a year ago

brecon

"I have to say this, it has been festering since I read the now closed thread!

For your information I was born and grew up in the very areas that are tonight embroiled in the riots, you look at my present location and assume far too much!

True some do manage to claw their way out with the aid of education, and often a great big helping of luck, but the majority don't...it's as simple as that.

And it's not about these being poor misunderstood kids at all....it's about a whole generation being written off."

6 years ago, myself and a colleague were in London, and over a period of three days inter_iewed about 100 people for security officer jobs. Not very strenuous work, plenty of hours for those that wanted them, free training, and the chance of advancement for those that wanted it.

Out of that approximate 100 people, we struggled to get 5 (yes, five!) who wanted the jobs, and we would happily of taken on 15 - 20.

Most only took the inter_iew as they were sent along by the job centre staff, and you could tell they weren't interested.

"Society" doesn't write people off.... they do that all by themselves!

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By *umourCouple over a year ago

Rushden

Stop encouraging companies to employ part time workers in their early Seventies and find a way to encourage (or force) them into employing young people.

What sanctimonious claptrap!!!

So for you, stay down in genteel Torquay and sip your G & T's, but to spout on about stopping companies employing older workers, you really are out of step with employment!"

Bloody good post! Better than I could have done, I bow in admiration!

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

Police have asked clubs to cancell all football matches in london for next weekend

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By *ENGUYMan over a year ago

Hull

Why do we have to get used to it? The guilty could be apprehended and brought to justice? Now there's an idea."

Ooops! I meant to say that bringing in the hard line approach was going to be Britain as we'd HATE to see it.

Problem is what powers, that is, the Judiciary and son on going to mete out in terms of punishments!

Community Orders! Asbo's Unpaid Community work! Fines? - No, they can't even pay them!

The culprits must be quaking in their boots!

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

So for you, stay down in genteel Torquay and sip your G & T's, but to spout on about stopping companies employing older workers, you really are out of step with employment!"

Unlike you I am totally in step with employment and employing people...I have a business TODAY, not in my distant past, it's not a fading memory...it's everyday life for me.

I know damn well that large companies employ people over the age of retirement because they regularly ensure they work under 16 hours a week.

They avoid employing younger people because they are far more expensive and are looking for 16 hours a week or more.

As for me living in genteel Torquay....actually I don't but it is quite close, and you too could live here but you obviously see Hull as being more suited to yourself and your situation.

We all have the right to live where we choose in these isles, being British....so no need to get all catty about it.

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By *umourCouple over a year ago

Rushden

So for you, stay down in genteel Torquay and sip your G & T's, but to spout on about stopping companies employing older workers, you really are out of step with employment!

Unlike you I am totally in step with employment and employing people...I have a business TODAY, not in my distant past, it's not a fading memory...it's everyday life for me.

I know damn well that large companies employ people over the age of retirement because they regularly ensure they work under 16 hours a week.

They avoid employing younger people because they are far more expensive and are looking for 16 hours a week or more.

As for me living in genteel Torquay....actually I don't but it is quite close, and you too could live here but you obviously see Hull as being more suited to yourself and your situation.

We all have the right to live where we choose in these isles, being British....so no need to get all catty about it."

Genguy... Think you touched a nerve!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

One thing is...........

they dont wanna work jane....they want a handout every bloody fortnight end of.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They avoid employing younger people because they are far more expensive"

How about no.

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By *ezebelWoman over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest

" closely supported by Moss Side (I hope they do riot in Moss Side and burn the entire viper's nest of criminality down to it's foundations)

well I dont

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By *ofakindCouple over a year ago

Running with Monkeys

Stop encouraging companies to employ part time workers in their early Seventies and find a way to encourage (or force) them into employing young people.

What sanctimonious claptrap!!!

So for you, stay down in genteel Torquay and sip your G & T's, but to spout on about stopping companies employing older workers, you really are out of step with employment!"

I dont want to fall out with you but i think theres a line to be drawn somewhere in your comment about younger people

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They avoid employing the youth of today because most are work shy, disrespectful and ignorant , AND NEVER BLOODY TURN UP...their best friend is the guy at the jobcentre

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By *ornyHorwichCpl aka HHCCouple over a year ago

horwich

I predict a riot

Anyway it's been interesting reading.

Will the last tax payer please turn off the light

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By *ue care and attentionWoman over a year ago

birmingham

"i could do with a new kettle, toaster and coffee maker

if i had worktop space, a bread maker would be nice too

and i did get rid of the tv in the bedroom last month so maybe a smallish plasma (up to about 26 inches)

i'd like a carpet as laminate is cold in winter but i'd like a lightish colour so am not sure fire damaged is perhaps the best option "

I'm sure you would be referring to buying these and not supporting the mindless thugs who seem to enjoy any excuse to steal what is not theirs.!!!!

As an addition, many friends of mine are on the front line of this tonight and their orders are to be polite and respectful!

God know's what Birmingham City Centre will look like tomorrow and god knows if I have a job to go to!

Stay safe boys and girls on the front line and come back safely, some of us appreciate what you are doing!

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"They avoid employing younger people because they are far more expensive"

How about no."

How about you tell us the last time YOU employed anyone?

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple over a year ago

hexham

Mass Generalizations say more about the poster than the situation

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

wow unbelievable

they have now started breaking into peoples homes whilst they are still in them

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By *leasureDomeMan over a year ago

all over the place

just listening to the poor old people ,whos houses have been invaded by these louts,i think we are gonne see some vigilante justice dished out to these fuckers if it carries on and the authorities dont get a grip,as ordinary people are angry

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Generalisations...oversimplifications...and personal slights...

The thread started well...

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