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Just watched a item on my local news about 5,6 7 year olds turning up for school in nappies because their not toilet trained and the schools are having to pay for like 2/3 assistants at cost of 23k out the schools budget to employ them to train the kids how to use a toilet.
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"Just watched a item on my local news about 5,6 7 year olds turning up for school in nappies because their not toilet trained and the schools are having to pay for like 2/3 assistants at cost of 23k out the schools budget to employ them to train the kids how to use a toilet.
I'm lost.. "
Sounds like a doddle for 23k |
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"Just watched a item on my local news about 5,6 7 year olds turning up for school in nappies because their not toilet trained and the schools are having to pay for like 2/3 assistants at cost of 23k out the schools budget to employ them to train the kids how to use a toilet.
I'm lost..
Sounds like a doddle for 23k"
Crap job. Ha |
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That's rather strange because I know of Pre-Schools in my area that won't take kids unless they're toilet trained & I'm talking 3-4 year olds..!
Are you talking mainstream schooling? |
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"Just watched a item on my local news about 5,6 7 year olds turning up for school in nappies because their not toilet trained and the schools are having to pay for like 2/3 assistants at cost of 23k out the schools budget to employ them to train the kids how to use a toilet.
I'm lost.. "
I've got a nephew that's 5 and like this but hes severely autistic his development is behind so he's got the mental capacity of only an 18month old but he couldn't get a place at a special school so goes to mainstream primary school. Gets picked on terribly for it, people are too cruel and rarely want to look at the bigger picture or learn the back story of the child |
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"That's rather strange because I know of Pre-Schools in my area that won't take kids unless they're toilet trained & I'm talking 3-4 year olds..!
Are you talking mainstream schooling?"
same here when mine were tots |
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"That's rather strange because I know of Pre-Schools in my area that won't take kids unless they're toilet trained & I'm talking 3-4 year olds..!
Are you talking mainstream schooling?"
Yes they had a headteacher on and explained in one class of 5 year olds there was 7 who weren't toilet trained.
I mean what parent wouldn't teach their child the basics like using a toilet.
I did. |
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"That's rather strange because I know of Pre-Schools in my area that won't take kids unless they're toilet trained & I'm talking 3-4 year olds..!
Are you talking mainstream schooling?"
They get to the age of 5 and it's a legal requirement to attend school potty trained or not |
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"Just watched a item on my local news about 5,6 7 year olds turning up for school in nappies because their not toilet trained and the schools are having to pay for like 2/3 assistants at cost of 23k out the schools budget to employ them to train the kids how to use a toilet.
I'm lost..
I've got a nephew that's 5 and like this but hes severely autistic his development is behind so he's got the mental capacity of only an 18month old but he couldn't get a place at a special school so goes to mainstream primary school. Gets picked on terribly for it, people are too cruel and rarely want to look at the bigger picture or learn the back story of the child"
that is a shame, i hope things improve there |
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I know children of preschool age with development issues who, given the time and support, are now toilet trained.
I also know people who are too bloody lazy to do it themselves so wait until they are at school  |
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"Just watched a item on my local news about 5,6 7 year olds turning up for school in nappies because their not toilet trained and the schools are having to pay for like 2/3 assistants at cost of 23k out the schools budget to employ them to train the kids how to use a toilet.
I'm lost..
I've got a nephew that's 5 and like this but hes severely autistic his development is behind so he's got the mental capacity of only an 18month old but he couldn't get a place at a special school so goes to mainstream primary school. Gets picked on terribly for it, people are too cruel and rarely want to look at the bigger picture or learn the back story of the child that is a shame, i hope things improve there "
Thanks they still can't get him into a specialist school for September like they wanted to so now he's got to carry on in mainstream primary with one of the 23k a year aids to work with him one to one in school to help him. It's not his fault being born as he was, we all have to make the best of it. But my sister is just labelled a bad mother for not potty training him by the closed minded of the world |
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"I'm putting a lot of thought into paying someone 23k a year to wipe my arse and shake my junk after every piss  "
There's a lady on here that will do the latter, not sure about the arse wiping though.... Would you consider a job share situation lol  |
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By *orum TrollWoman
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toilet training is the child doing it itself mostly. you can encourage them somewhat but until they recognise the need themselves to go then it won't happen.
wonder why so many don't notice the urgency? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just watched a item on my local news about 5,6 7 year olds turning up for school in nappies because their not toilet trained and the schools are having to pay for like 2/3 assistants at cost of 23k out the schools budget to employ them to train the kids how to use a toilet.
I'm lost..
I've got a nephew that's 5 and like this but hes severely autistic his development is behind so he's got the mental capacity of only an 18month old but he couldn't get a place at a special school so goes to mainstream primary school. Gets picked on terribly for it, people are too cruel and rarely want to look at the bigger picture or learn the back story of the child"
Sounds like a crap school. The teachers should be teaching the kids to be respectful and to help him. |
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"I'm putting a lot of thought into paying someone 23k a year to wipe my arse and shake my junk after every piss
There's a lady on here that will do the latter, not sure about the arse wiping though.... Would you consider a job share situation lol "
You called? |
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"I know children of preschool age with development issues who, given the time and support, are now toilet trained.
I also know people who are too bloody lazy to do it themselves so wait until they are at school "
That's the same with many things!
At my oldest daughter's first school, many of the kids had never seen a book and didn't know which way to hold it up!
Even sadder - had no socialising skills and didn't know how to 'play'!
One of the saddest facts of life is that you only have to shag to become a parent - so any fool can do it! |
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"That's rather strange because I know of Pre-Schools in my area that won't take kids unless they're toilet trained & I'm talking 3-4 year olds..!
Are you talking mainstream schooling?
Yes they had a headteacher on and explained in one class of 5 year olds there was 7 who weren't toilet trained.
I mean what parent wouldn't teach their child the basics like using a toilet.
I did."
You can't teach children to be toilet trained. You can help and encourage them but their bladder, bowels, brain and communication skills have to be correctly developed in order to be able to do it. So some children struggle.
Some parents are to incapable/lazy and don't help their children and their children struggle too. Occasionally children are lazy too but generally peer presure encourages them.
Some children have health issues and struggle with it. |
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I've heard similar stories many times but never known if they held much truth.
I do have one friend whose 6/7 year old had an accident at school and the teachers wouldn't touch her, as it was a number one and two they tried to let her clean herself, she tried but wasn't supervised and didn't do a very good job. She then spent most the day uncomfortable until she started crying where she basically had nappy rash and then they called her Mum to come in and clean her up.
I'd imagine with all the safeguarding around children schools would be loathe to introduce teaching assistants for that purpose?
Unless there are medical reasons I can't see why any school age child should still be in nappies
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"That's rather strange because I know of Pre-Schools in my area that won't take kids unless they're toilet trained & I'm talking 3-4 year olds..!
Are you talking mainstream schooling?
They get to the age of 5 and it's a legal requirement to attend school potty trained or not "
I understand that but considering there is so much schools cant do like ~ can't administer sunscreen, put plasters on, dispense non prescription medicine how are they in the position to toilet train? I'm surprised the parents aren't called in to assist.
(Taking development issues out of the equation) |
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"I know children of preschool age with development issues who, given the time and support, are now toilet trained.
I also know people who are too bloody lazy to do it themselves so wait until they are at school
That's the same with many things!
At my oldest daughter's first school, many of the kids had never seen a book and didn't know which way to hold it up!
Even sadder - had no socialising skills and didn't know how to 'play'!
One of the saddest facts of life is that you only have to shag to become a parent - so any fool can do it! "
Oh the amount of children with no social skills is shocking. More know how to operate an iPad than go to open a book or hold a pencil. |
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"I'm putting a lot of thought into paying someone 23k a year to wipe my arse and shake my junk after every piss
There's a lady on here that will do the latter, not sure about the arse wiping though.... Would you consider a job share situation lol
You called?"
Haha!!! Hope you don't mind x |
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I don't remember being toilet trained but assume I was
My last pee pee accident was my first week in nursery. But that was because I was a severely shy child and was too shy to tell the teacher i needed the toilet. So just sat there and peed myself instead  |
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"That's rather strange because I know of Pre-Schools in my area that won't take kids unless they're toilet trained & I'm talking 3-4 year olds..!
Are you talking mainstream schooling?
They get to the age of 5 and it's a legal requirement to attend school potty trained or not
I understand that but considering there is so much schools cant do like ~ can't administer sunscreen, put plasters on, dispense non prescription medicine how are they in the position to toilet train? I'm surprised the parents aren't called in to assist.
(Taking development issues out of the equation)"
It is ridiculous. Either way you are going to get complaints. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I know children of preschool age with development issues who, given the time and support, are now toilet trained.
I also know people who are too bloody lazy to do it themselves so wait until they are at school "
#Shitwhisperer  |
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"I don't remember being toilet trained but assume I was
My last pee pee accident was my first week in nursery. But that was because I was a severely shy child and was too shy to tell the teacher i needed the toilet. So just sat there and peed myself instead "
i used to pee myself on purpose coz i liked the school knickers better than the ones my mum bought.
i stopped doing it once they twigged and made me use scruffier ones. |
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The headteacher she worded it subtly that it appeared the advice younger mothers were getting of health officials
was not to push the child and it was having a adverse affect.
The interviewer asked her if these children had any medical conditions and she replied no.
So it does appear the parents fault and a growing trend 7 in one class.
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I'm wondering why they need to hire someone especially for this job. Are they saying it takes every school hour for one (or more) assistant to do the toilet training for the whole school? Or one per class,for the reception to yr 3? |
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"That's rather strange because I know of Pre-Schools in my area that won't take kids unless they're toilet trained & I'm talking 3-4 year olds..!
Are you talking mainstream schooling?"
Was the same here, and that was when mine were young
They are over 30 now, so would guess the rules are still the same . |
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My kids been in school since she was 2, first afternoons then mornings ready for full time when she was 3, that's how they do it here. You have to have your kid potty trained or else they can't go to the school. She was still wearing pull ups to bed but dry through the day using the toilet, she nearly fell in a couple of times but that's all part of the fun. |
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"I don't remember being toilet trained but assume I was
My last pee pee accident was my first week in nursery. But that was because I was a severely shy child and was too shy to tell the teacher i needed the toilet. So just sat there and peed myself instead
i used to pee myself on purpose coz i liked the school knickers better than the ones my mum bought.
i stopped doing it once they twigged and made me use scruffier ones."
The change of clothes I got was enough to stop me ever weeing myself again. They made me wear this pair of purple flared cords...
I don't wanna talk about this anymore  |
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"Not really all that different to the now popular view that it's the government's job to give your child breakfast. "
I don't think people see it as the Government's job. Just a last resort when you have to drop your child off at 7am. |
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"I don't remember being toilet trained but assume I was
My last pee pee accident was my first week in nursery. But that was because I was a severely shy child and was too shy to tell the teacher i needed the toilet. So just sat there and peed myself instead
i used to pee myself on purpose coz i liked the school knickers better than the ones my mum bought.
i stopped doing it once they twigged and made me use scruffier ones.
The change of clothes I got was enough to stop me ever weeing myself again. They made me wear this pair of purple flared cords...
I don't wanna talk about this anymore "
i never got given purple flares so this wasn't as traumatising for me as you. i'm sorry. |
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my friend is a nursery teacher and infant school, says this is a massive problem thats grown worse the last few years..teaching assistants have to change a child in 2's for safeguarding,yet her school has lost 30% of them due to cut backs in the last couple of years so with 60 kids in a day, you can imagine the waste of time if over half of them arent toilet trained. and in our borough, as with most now, you can't refuse entry over lack of toilet training at any age. |
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I made a jokey post earlier about putting a ping pong ball in the toilet bowl which gives boys something to aim at...that's what I did for may son, he thought it was really funny but it worked .. boys are generally slower than girls at making the transition though |
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"my friend is a nursery teacher and infant school, says this is a massive problem thats grown worse the last few years..teaching assistants have to change a child in 2's for safeguarding,yet her school has lost 30% of them due to cut backs in the last couple of years so with 60 kids in a day, you can imagine the waste of time if over half of them arent toilet trained. and in our borough, as with most now, you can't refuse entry over lack of toilet training at any age."
I wonder why they have to have 2 staff there (safeguarding) when in a nursery setting that doesnt happen ? |
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"my friend is a nursery teacher and infant school, says this is a massive problem thats grown worse the last few years..teaching assistants have to change a child in 2's for safeguarding,yet her school has lost 30% of them due to cut backs in the last couple of years so with 60 kids in a day, you can imagine the waste of time if over half of them arent toilet trained. and in our borough, as with most now, you can't refuse entry over lack of toilet training at any age.
I wonder why they have to have 2 staff there (safeguarding) when in a nursery setting that doesnt happen ?"
it is at both the nursery and the infant school this happens...her previous job was a nursery and they had this policy too. |
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"Not really all that different to the now popular view that it's the government's job to give your child breakfast.
I don't think people see it as the Government's job. Just a last resort when you have to drop your child off at 7am."
The evidence suggests that the main reasons children arrive at school without breakfast are not because the parents rush off to work at early hours
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"my friend is a nursery teacher and infant school, says this is a massive problem thats grown worse the last few years..teaching assistants have to change a child in 2's for safeguarding,yet her school has lost 30% of them due to cut backs in the last couple of years so with 60 kids in a day, you can imagine the waste of time if over half of them arent toilet trained. and in our borough, as with most now, you can't refuse entry over lack of toilet training at any age.
I wonder why they have to have 2 staff there (safeguarding) when in a nursery setting that doesnt happen ?
it is at both the nursery and the infant school this happens...her previous job was a nursery and they had this policy too."
It isn't policy in the nursery i work in. Nor the 2 previous nurseries. Nor any local nurseries and schools (just quickly asked friends). It would dramatically alter our staffing levels. I wonder what would happen with child minders who work alone ? |
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"That's rather strange because I know of Pre-Schools in my area that won't take kids unless they're toilet trained & I'm talking 3-4 year olds..!
Are you talking mainstream schooling?"
Pre-schools shouldn't be stopping a child attending if they aren't potty trained. They wouldn't be able to stop a child with additional needs from going if they weren't potty trained.
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"my friend is a nursery teacher and infant school, says this is a massive problem thats grown worse the last few years..teaching assistants have to change a child in 2's for safeguarding,yet her school has lost 30% of them due to cut backs in the last couple of years so with 60 kids in a day, you can imagine the waste of time if over half of them arent toilet trained. and in our borough, as with most now, you can't refuse entry over lack of toilet training at any age.
I wonder why they have to have 2 staff there (safeguarding) when in a nursery setting that doesnt happen ?
it is at both the nursery and the infant school this happens...her previous job was a nursery and they had this policy too.
It isn't policy in the nursery i work in. Nor the 2 previous nurseries. Nor any local nurseries and schools (just quickly asked friends). It would dramatically alter our staffing levels. I wonder what would happen with child minders who work alone ?"
policies vary hugely from borough to borough and school to school...its not a legal requirement though, just a policy...in one school she was at one person could do it, as long as they were in view of another member of staff so they had to have a little window put in the wall!...and child minders come under completely different guidelines.. |
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"my friend is a nursery teacher and infant school, says this is a massive problem thats grown worse the last few years..teaching assistants have to change a child in 2's for safeguarding,yet her school has lost 30% of them due to cut backs in the last couple of years so with 60 kids in a day, you can imagine the waste of time if over half of them arent toilet trained. and in our borough, as with most now, you can't refuse entry over lack of toilet training at any age.
I wonder why they have to have 2 staff there (safeguarding) when in a nursery setting that doesnt happen ?
it is at both the nursery and the infant school this happens...her previous job was a nursery and they had this policy too.
It isn't policy in the nursery i work in. Nor the 2 previous nurseries. Nor any local nurseries and schools (just quickly asked friends). It would dramatically alter our staffing levels. I wonder what would happen with child minders who work alone ?"
Have to agree, 20 years in childcare and I've never worked in a pair to change a child's nappy or if they have had an accident (unless it's horrific and it's a two man job!)
There are a variety of issues surrounding parents potty training and it varies greatly! From parents not having support of other family members or friends (for that support and previous experience to guide them), not knowing when children are showing signs of being ready, so they try and do it far too early which has a detrimental effect, wanting to keep them babies for as long as possible and sadly being lazy. |
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"my friend is a nursery teacher and infant school, says this is a massive problem thats grown worse the last few years..teaching assistants have to change a child in 2's for safeguarding,yet her school has lost 30% of them due to cut backs in the last couple of years so with 60 kids in a day, you can imagine the waste of time if over half of them arent toilet trained. and in our borough, as with most now, you can't refuse entry over lack of toilet training at any age.
I wonder why they have to have 2 staff there (safeguarding) when in a nursery setting that doesnt happen ?
it is at both the nursery and the infant school this happens...her previous job was a nursery and they had this policy too.
It isn't policy in the nursery i work in. Nor the 2 previous nurseries. Nor any local nurseries and schools (just quickly asked friends). It would dramatically alter our staffing levels. I wonder what would happen with child minders who work alone ?
policies vary hugely from borough to borough and school to school...its not a legal requirement though, just a policy...in one school she was at one person could do it, as long as they were in view of another member of staff so they had to have a little window put in the wall!...and child minders come under completely different guidelines.."
Child minders have similar guidelines to nurserys and all of our safeguarding training is done alongside childminders.
Viewing panels are sometimes good but then they are a problem when another childs parents are around.
I'm not critisising, just curious. |
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"That's rather strange because I know of Pre-Schools in my area that won't take kids unless they're toilet trained & I'm talking 3-4 year olds..!
Are you talking mainstream schooling?
Pre-schools shouldn't be stopping a child attending if they aren't potty trained. They wouldn't be able to stop a child with additional needs from going if they weren't potty trained.
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I think you'll find privately run pre-schools can make those requests.
The one my son attended allowed "pull ups" as a preventative measure only and under no circumstances were the staff allowed to change them or wipe bottoms. |
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"That's rather strange because I know of Pre-Schools in my area that won't take kids unless they're toilet trained & I'm talking 3-4 year olds..!
Are you talking mainstream schooling?
Pre-schools shouldn't be stopping a child attending if they aren't potty trained. They wouldn't be able to stop a child with additional needs from going if they weren't potty trained.
I think you'll find privately run pre-schools can make those requests.
The one my son attended allowed "pull ups" as a preventative measure only and under no circumstances were the staff allowed to change them or wipe bottoms."
They really can't! I've worked in private settings for 20 years and they can't do that! If they had a child attend with additional needs who still wore nappies they wouldn't be able to ask that and so they can't ask child who hasn't got additional needs. If any parent is using a setting that is asking that, I would suggest that they challenge it. |
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"That's rather strange because I know of Pre-Schools in my area that won't take kids unless they're toilet trained & I'm talking 3-4 year olds..!
Are you talking mainstream schooling?
same here when mine were tots"
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"Just watched a item on my local news about 5,6 7 year olds turning up for school in nappies because their not toilet trained and the schools are having to pay for like 2/3 assistants at cost of 23k out the schools budget to employ them to train the kids how to use a toilet.
I'm lost..
I've got a nephew that's 5 and like this but hes severely autistic his development is behind so he's got the mental capacity of only an 18month old but he couldn't get a place at a special school so goes to mainstream primary school. Gets picked on terribly for it, people are too cruel and rarely want to look at the bigger picture or learn the back story of the child that is a shame, i hope things improve there
Thanks they still can't get him into a specialist school for September like they wanted to so now he's got to carry on in mainstream primary with one of the 23k a year aids to work with him one to one in school to help him. It's not his fault being born as he was, we all have to make the best of it. But my sister is just labelled a bad mother for not potty training him by the closed minded of the world "
My daughter has severe learning difficulties and went to a mainstream school until she was 10, she was in nappies till 11 and still is at night. She had one to one at the mainstream school but now goes to a special school where the teacher pupil ratio is lower. There is a problem in this country of not enough places at special schools as previous governments have closed a lot down.it might sound good in theory to send children with learning difficulties to mainstream school but it often doesn't work in practice. It's not my daughter's or any other special needs child fault that they are born as they are. The country has a duty of care to them. I suspect the programme 're children in nappies at schools is exaggerated, a shock story always makes for good viewing figures. XXX |
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My kids are 3 and 6, the school my they go to is very accomodating, the nursery teachers will help toilet train the younger ones and change them if they have any accidents. My 6yr old has Encopresis so accidents were a regular thing at home and at school, I explained to the school about it and they went out of their way to encourage toilet visits and when accidents happened they would deal with it in a dignified manner, on a couple of occasions actually showering to clean up before putting a clean uniform on (always had 2 spare uniforms in school bag).
No amount of toilet training makes a difference to this, trust me I've tried and it can be very frustrating, especially when the younger one copies. |
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"Just watched a item on my local news about 5,6 7 year olds turning up for school in nappies because their not toilet trained and the schools are having to pay for like 2/3 assistants at cost of 23k out the schools budget to employ them to train the kids how to use a toilet.
I'm lost..
I've got a nephew that's 5 and like this but hes severely autistic his development is behind so he's got the mental capacity of only an 18month old but he couldn't get a place at a special school so goes to mainstream primary school. Gets picked on terribly for it, people are too cruel and rarely want to look at the bigger picture or learn the back story of the child that is a shame, i hope things improve there
Thanks they still can't get him into a specialist school for September like they wanted to so now he's got to carry on in mainstream primary with one of the 23k a year aids to work with him one to one in school to help him. It's not his fault being born as he was, we all have to make the best of it. But my sister is just labelled a bad mother for not potty training him by the closed minded of the world
My daughter has severe learning difficulties and went to a mainstream school until she was 10, she was in nappies till 11 and still is at night. She had one to one at the mainstream school but now goes to a special school where the teacher pupil ratio is lower. There is a problem in this country of not enough places at special schools as previous governments have closed a lot down.it might sound good in theory to send children with learning difficulties to mainstream school but it often doesn't work in practice. It's not my daughter's or any other special needs child fault that they are born as they are. The country has a duty of care to them. I suspect the programme 're children in nappies at schools is exaggerated, a shock story always makes for good viewing figures. XXX"
im afraid its not exaggerated at all!.she says about 60% at initial intake aren't toilet trained....ten years ago she says it was about 10%.. |
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"Just watched a item on my local news about 5,6 7 year olds turning up for school in nappies because their not toilet trained and the schools are having to pay for like 2/3 assistants at cost of 23k out the schools budget to employ them to train the kids how to use a toilet.
I'm lost.. "
Yes! We have a 5 yr old in nappies at my school. Not on!!!!! It's a form of neglect in my eyes...so not fair on the child.
But paying for extra staff?! Hmmm, no. They give that job to us too! |
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I suspect the programme 're children in nappies at schools is exaggerated, a shock story always makes for good viewing figures. XXX
Read this bit again.
It's true |
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"my friend is a nursery teacher and infant school, says this is a massive problem thats grown worse the last few years..teaching assistants have to change a child in 2's for safeguarding,yet her school has lost 30% of them due to cut backs in the last couple of years so with 60 kids in a day, you can imagine the waste of time if over half of them arent toilet trained. and in our borough, as with most now, you can't refuse entry over lack of toilet training at any age.
I wonder why they have to have 2 staff there (safeguarding) when in a nursery setting that doesnt happen ?
it is at both the nursery and the infant school this happens...her previous job was a nursery and they had this policy too.
It isn't policy in the nursery i work in. Nor the 2 previous nurseries. Nor any local nurseries and schools (just quickly asked friends). It would dramatically alter our staffing levels. I wonder what would happen with child minders who work alone ?
policies vary hugely from borough to borough and school to school...its not a legal requirement though, just a policy...in one school she was at one person could do it, as long as they were in view of another member of staff so they had to have a little window put in the wall!...and child minders come under completely different guidelines..
Child minders have similar guidelines to nurserys and all of our safeguarding training is done alongside childminders.
Viewing panels are sometimes good but then they are a problem when another childs parents are around.
I'm not critisising, just curious."
Childminders have to adhere to the same requirements as any other early years provider. It seems that some local authorities have gone nuts with safeguarding issues. Thankfully when I was childminding I didn't have to employ someone to assist me with nappy changes. .although the fact that some LAs have these ridiculous policies doesn't surprise me one bit. |
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"if children aged 9 are still in nappies then they've been at school for 4 yrs and the school haven't managed to sort it either."
Then the child must have serious issues. |
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"if children aged 9 are still in nappies then they've been at school for 4 yrs and the school haven't managed to sort it either.
Then the child must have serious issues. "
exactly, but it's being made a big deal of.
and i can't even find the ofsted records with the actual statistics either to find out exactly how many children are having problems. i don't trust the news at all to make a proper story. |
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"if children aged 9 are still in nappies then they've been at school for 4 yrs and the school haven't managed to sort it either.
Then the child must have serious issues.
exactly, but it's being made a big deal of.
and i can't even find the ofsted records with the actual statistics either to find out exactly how many children are having problems. i don't trust the news at all to make a proper story."
You aren't accusing the media of sensationalism are you? ?
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"if children aged 9 are still in nappies then they've been at school for 4 yrs and the school haven't managed to sort it either.
Then the child must have serious issues.
exactly, but it's being made a big deal of.
and i can't even find the ofsted records with the actual statistics either to find out exactly how many children are having problems. i don't trust the news at all to make a proper story."
It was on BBC south today news program and wasn't the lead story even about the fourth item reported.
Hardly fake news. |
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"if children aged 9 are still in nappies then they've been at school for 4 yrs and the school haven't managed to sort it either.
Then the child must have serious issues.
exactly, but it's being made a big deal of.
and i can't even find the ofsted records with the actual statistics either to find out exactly how many children are having problems. i don't trust the news at all to make a proper story.
You aren't accusing the media of sensationalism are you? ?
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pretty much.
and i'd like to know why they aren't that bothered about disabled kids and are totally fine with shaming them. |
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"if children aged 9 are still in nappies then they've been at school for 4 yrs and the school haven't managed to sort it either.
Then the child must have serious issues.
exactly, but it's being made a big deal of.
and i can't even find the ofsted records with the actual statistics either to find out exactly how many children are having problems. i don't trust the news at all to make a proper story.
It was on BBC south today news program and wasn't the lead story even about the fourth item reported.
Hardly fake news. "
did they have a link to the ofsted records then coz that is what they base these stories on? no link or proof and i am skeptical. |
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I know it was an issue for our local primary.
A teacher friend described spending the first term of Reception each year for the last few years training a handful of children. Those that had come up from nursery had already been trained but those coming as new intake always contained a few that weren't toilet trained.
She's stopped teaching because of this and the abuse she got from parents for not getting the children trained.
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"Just watched a item on my local news about 5,6 7 year olds turning up for school in nappies because their not toilet trained and the schools are having to pay for like 2/3 assistants at cost of 23k out the schools budget to employ them to train the kids how to use a toilet.
I'm lost..
I've got a nephew that's 5 and like this but hes severely autistic his development is behind so he's got the mental capacity of only an 18month old but he couldn't get a place at a special school so goes to mainstream primary school. Gets picked on terribly for it, people are too cruel and rarely want to look at the bigger picture or learn the back story of the child"
My son has ADHD and autism and he had to wear nappies when he started school. He's nearly 12 and he still wears them at night.
It not always black and white |
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The advice i was given by my HV was that they'll let you know when they're ready to start potty training.
They say "they'll let you know" about a lot of things when it comes to this kind of thing. I was assuming she was meaning that my terrors would boff me over the head with the potty when they needed a wee....but no.
They have to "recognise" that they need a wee/poo.
Leave them buff naked for a week and keep putting them on the potty every half hour. When they go then put a sticker on their potty and celebrate.
Worked like a charm. And mine (5 and 7 year olds now) HAD to be potty trained to start at Reception, when they went to the morning/afternoon sessions we had letters stating if children had an accident parents would be expected to go to the School to change them.
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"Not really all that different to the now popular view that it's the government's job to give your child breakfast.
I don't think people see it as the Government's job. Just a last resort when you have to drop your child off at 7am.
The evidence suggests that the main reasons children arrive at school without breakfast are not because the parents rush off to work at early hours
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Where's this evidence?
I know friends and my Sister pay for breakfast club at their schools. |
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"Just watched a item on my local news about 5,6 7 year olds turning up for school in nappies because their not toilet trained and the schools are having to pay for like 2/3 assistants at cost of 23k out the schools budget to employ them to train the kids how to use a toilet.
I'm lost..
I've got a nephew that's 5 and like this but hes severely autistic his development is behind so he's got the mental capacity of only an 18month old but he couldn't get a place at a special school so goes to mainstream primary school. Gets picked on terribly for it, people are too cruel and rarely want to look at the bigger picture or learn the back story of the child
My son has ADHD and autism and he had to wear nappies when he started school. He's nearly 12 and he still wears them at night.
It not always black and white"
No one is saying it's black and white. Everyone accepts that there will be some children that will have issues that affect their development and their ability to use the toilet. I think the news piece was mainly about children that don't have other issues |
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"Not really all that different to the now popular view that it's the government's job to give your child breakfast.
I don't think people see it as the Government's job. Just a last resort when you have to drop your child off at 7am.
The evidence suggests that the main reasons children arrive at school without breakfast are not because the parents rush off to work at early hours
Where's this evidence?
I know friends and my Sister pay for breakfast club at their schools. "
Survey by kellogs of 765 headteachers and teachers. Sorry but not posting a link as i keep getting forum bans for that. It's not hard to find on google though. |
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