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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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If at traffic lights and you move over the white line to let an ambulance or fire engine through,if caught on camera(which my friend was)you will be fined...apparently |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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appeal it and case is dropped ussually
they expect if possible to move to the left and if it has to be to the right then only if you cannot move to the left |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"If at traffic lights and you move over the white line to let an ambulance or fire engine through,if caught on camera(which my friend was)you will be fined...apparently
So what? "
So what,what |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If at traffic lights and you move over the white line to let an ambulance or fire engine through,if caught on camera(which my friend was)you will be fined...apparently
So what?
So what,what"
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Should be able to contest it. If they tried to fine me, I would refuse to pay it."
The police said its up to the emergency services to get through the traffic,pull left or right if possible but dont go over the white line at the front,well he is being fined |
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A blue light is an emergency however even the drivers should obay the law, your friend did the right thing I would have done the same, I would put it in writing explaining the situation take it to court if needs be, I would also contact the local paper |
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"Should be able to contest it. If they tried to fine me, I would refuse to pay it.
The police said its up to the emergency services to get through the traffic,pull left or right if possible but dont go over the white line at the front,well he is being fined"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A blue light is an emergency however even the drivers should obay the law, your friend did the right thing I would have done the same, I would put it in writing explaining the situation take it to court if needs be, I would also contact the local paper"
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Should be able to contest it. If they tried to fine me, I would refuse to pay it.
The police said its up to the emergency services to get through the traffic,pull left or right if possible but dont go over the white line at the front,well he is being fined
Cool story bro "
Thanks for your smart arse comment |
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A mate who is a bus driver did this, the court case said unless directed to do so like police officer red means Stop.
This also applies if you are half over the line, you are accountable until your rear wheel crosses the line. So if in slow moving traffic your front crosses the line, if the lights change and your rear crosses on red, it's still an offence. this still applies even if you are blocking a junction.
I would have thoght if your blocking the junction you clear it but not if it's camera'd.
The case for him ended up they upheld the fine but didn't give him points, so still a conviction I believe.
You'd think you could argue it. But didn't work for him.
I'd still attempt it. Hopefully have dash cam footage to show you had stopped but then moved. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A mate who is a bus driver did this, the court case said unless directed to do so like police officer red means Stop.
This also applies if you are half over the line, you are accountable until your rear wheel crosses the line. So if in slow moving traffic your front crosses the line, if the lights change and your rear crosses on red, it's still an offence. this still applies even if you are blocking a junction.
I would have thoght if your blocking the junction you clear it but not if it's camera'd.
The case for him ended up they upheld the fine but didn't give him points, so still a conviction I believe.
You'd think you could argue it. But didn't work for him.
I'd still attempt it. Hopefully have dash cam footage to show you had stopped but then moved. "
For the future you could lend him your cam dash  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If at traffic lights and you move over the white line to let an ambulance or fire engine through,if caught on camera(which my friend was)you will be fined...apparently"
That's true. I'll still move out of the way. |
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"If at traffic lights and you move over the white line to let an ambulance or fire engine through,if caught on camera(which my friend was)you will be fined...apparently"
People have also been fined for moving over into the bus lane and letting an ambulance past. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As a blue light driver, we are taught not to force people through a red light and hold back, obviously every situation is different though. If people do go through for us then we put all the sirens on but the general rule is to hold back with no sirens until the lights change. |
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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago
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Think of it this way.. If you move over and cause an accident as a result... Whose fault is it. If you can safely move out of the way do so, but don't rely on the fact that morally you have done the decent thing... To allow you to commit an offence and get away with it?? |
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By *utie91Woman
over a year ago
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As an emergency services driver... we never push people through red lights.... it is the drivers own decision to go through a red... which you shouldn't do. If possible an ambulance will "wrong side" to go through traffic lights rather than push people through.
So yes you can be fined for doing so... we have the exemptions, you do not.
Just wait for the light to go green then pull out of our way.
When driving normally just pull to the left and stop. Indications would be appreciated.
Please do not stop dead in front of us or stop on the right side of the road otherwise you are Increasing ur chances of being rear ended by a 5 n half ton ambulance... whilst we are very highly trained drivers it is sometimes difficult to predict the stupid things that the public do.
Also please don't stop on a blind bend. |
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From memory, when a blue light vehicle comes up behind you, I believe that you shouldnt actually do anything different, if, in so doing, you go outside of whats expected by the highway code.
the ruling is that, if you can move over safely, you should, otherwise you should just carry on as you are, they are trained to make progress at speed safely through traffic, you are not. |
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By *utie91Woman
over a year ago
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"Think of it this way.. If you move over and cause an accident as a result... Whose fault is it. If you can safely move out of the way do so, but don't rely on the fact that morally you have done the decent thing... To allow you to commit an offence and get away with it?? "
If you move over and have an accident... whilst being ur own stupid fault for not using ur mirrors it would actually be the ambulance driver that got in trouble over it... even if they weren't involved. We always get accused of causing the accident cuz people were trying to get out of our way... when the accident itself was because people just don't use mirrors!!! |
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By *utie91Woman
over a year ago
Hitchin |
"From memory, when a blue light vehicle comes up behind you, I believe that you shouldnt actually do anything different, if, in so doing, you go outside of whats expected by the highway code.
the ruling is that, if you can move over safely, you should, otherwise you should just carry on as you are, they are trained to make progress at speed safely through traffic, you are not."
Kinda of true.... just pull to the left safely... that is all we ask.
Don't don't overtake us!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"From memory, when a blue light vehicle comes up behind you, I believe that you shouldnt actually do anything different, if, in so doing, you go outside of whats expected by the highway code.
the ruling is that, if you can move over safely, you should, otherwise you should just carry on as you are, they are trained to make progress at speed safely through traffic, you are not.
Kinda of true.... just pull to the left safely... that is all we ask.
Don't don't overtake us!! "
Or stop dead opposite each other!! |
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if you moved ask for photo evidence and also the emergency vehicle that you moved out of the way photo evidence
most would move out of the way for an emergency vehicle even I would move far left to let it through the left side of the lights |
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By *utie91Woman
over a year ago
Hitchin |
"From memory, when a blue light vehicle comes up behind you, I believe that you shouldnt actually do anything different, if, in so doing, you go outside of whats expected by the highway code.
the ruling is that, if you can move over safely, you should, otherwise you should just carry on as you are, they are trained to make progress at speed safely through traffic, you are not.
Kinda of true.... just pull to the left safely... that is all we ask.
Don't don't overtake us!!
Or stop dead opposite each other!!"
I hate it when people do that... I can't fit a 5 n half tonne ambulance through a gap big enough for a motorbike haha |
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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago
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"Think of it this way.. If you move over and cause an accident as a result... Whose fault is it. If you can safely move out of the way do so, but don't rely on the fact that morally you have done the decent thing... To allow you to commit an offence and get away with it??
If you move over and have an accident... whilst being ur own stupid fault for not using ur mirrors it would actually be the ambulance driver that got in trouble over it... even if they weren't involved. We always get accused of causing the accident cuz people were trying to get out of our way... when the accident itself was because people just don't use mirrors!!! "
??? Sorry but rubbish |
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By *utie91Woman
over a year ago
Hitchin |
"Think of it this way.. If you move over and cause an accident as a result... Whose fault is it. If you can safely move out of the way do so, but don't rely on the fact that morally you have done the decent thing... To allow you to commit an offence and get away with it??
If you move over and have an accident... whilst being ur own stupid fault for not using ur mirrors it would actually be the ambulance driver that got in trouble over it... even if they weren't involved. We always get accused of causing the accident cuz people were trying to get out of our way... when the accident itself was because people just don't use mirrors!!!
??? Sorry but rubbish"
Any accidents involving blue light vehicles automatically means the blue light driver is guilty until proven innocent even if it was 2 cars that hit each other whilst moving out of the way... we have to fight for our innocence |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"From memory, when a blue light vehicle comes up behind you, I believe that you shouldnt actually do anything different, if, in so doing, you go outside of whats expected by the highway code.
the ruling is that, if you can move over safely, you should, otherwise you should just carry on as you are, they are trained to make progress at speed safely through traffic, you are not.
Kinda of true.... just pull to the left safely... that is all we ask.
Don't don't overtake us!!
Or stop dead opposite each other!!
I hate it when people do that... I can't fit a 5 n half tonne ambulance through a gap big enough for a motorbike haha "
Some days I think the blue light button has activated an invisibilty cloak! |
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By *utie91Woman
over a year ago
Hitchin |
"From memory, when a blue light vehicle comes up behind you, I believe that you shouldnt actually do anything different, if, in so doing, you go outside of whats expected by the highway code.
the ruling is that, if you can move over safely, you should, otherwise you should just carry on as you are, they are trained to make progress at speed safely through traffic, you are not.
Kinda of true.... just pull to the left safely... that is all we ask.
Don't don't overtake us!!
Or stop dead opposite each other!!
I hate it when people do that... I can't fit a 5 n half tonne ambulance through a gap big enough for a motorbike haha
Some days I think the blue light button has activated an invisibilty cloak!"
Yep.. and that the sirens are just in our heads... cuz nobody else seems to hear them lol |
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I don't care what the situation is or what emergency service it is, if they have blues and two's going I will move out of the way as soon as it is safe to do so giving the emergency vehicle a clear and safe way past me, even if that means creeping forward through the lights enough to create a gap, or parking on a grass verge.
It really pisses me off when drivers dont move out of the way for emergency vehicles, especially an ambulance stuck at traffic lights!
They could be going to save somebody you know or a family member, when every second counts you wouldn't want them getting stuck behind somebody who refuses to move out the way.
I'd rather risk getting 3 points and a £60 fine than know I was partly responsible for a person dying before emergency services got to them. |
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By *utie91Woman
over a year ago
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"I don't care what the situation is or what emergency service it is, if they have blues and two's going I will move out of the way as soon as it is safe to do so giving the emergency vehicle a clear and safe way past me, even if that means creeping forward through the lights enough to create a gap, or parking on a grass verge.
It really pisses me off when drivers dont move out of the way for emergency vehicles, especially an ambulance stuck at traffic lights!
They could be going to save somebody you know or a family member, when every second counts you wouldn't want them getting stuck behind somebody who refuses to move out the way.
I'd rather risk getting 3 points and a £60 fine than know I was partly responsible for a person dying before emergency services got to them."
You wouldn't be partly responsible at all.
And it's not about the points and fines... if you go through a red light and get hit by an oncoming car.. we would have to stop to help you.. not only would if create more work for the already overstretched ambulance service we would be putting a large delay on going to the original caller.
Just pull to the left when safe to do so.
Yes it's important for us to reach patients quickly... but we view "sick" people differently to the general public in a large number of cases the jobs we attend, whilst the patient might be poorly... they are not what we as clinicians class as time critical. A large number of patients we attend, once we have actually seen them, if we decide they need to go to hospital they are driven at normal road speed.
It is only those time critical or "big sick" patients that then get blue'd into hospital and it is only those small amount of patients where minutes really count.... but that's for us to worry about, not you.
Even if we are running to a cardiac arrest... chances of survival are very slim if bystander cpr is not already in progress. We do what we can... but reality is people die, even when you have sweated ur ass off for an hour trying to resuscitate them... we don't let it bother us and being delayed by 10seconds because a car can't move due to a red light really will make hardly any difference to the outcome. 10minutes maybe
Sorry if I went off in one. And sorry for any harsh truths about our job |
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By *uxom redCouple
over a year ago
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"I don't care what the situation is or what emergency service it is, if they have blues and two's going I will move out of the way as soon as it is safe to do so giving the emergency vehicle a clear and safe way past me, even if that means creeping forward through the lights enough to create a gap, or parking on a grass verge.
It really pisses me off when drivers dont move out of the way for emergency vehicles, especially an ambulance stuck at traffic lights!
They could be going to save somebody you know or a family member, when every second counts you wouldn't want them getting stuck behind somebody who refuses to move out the way.
I'd rather risk getting 3 points and a £60 fine than know I was partly responsible for a person dying before emergency services got to them.
You wouldn't be partly responsible at all.
And it's not about the points and fines... if you go through a red light and get hit by an oncoming car.. we would have to stop to help you.. not only would if create more work for the already overstretched ambulance service we would be putting a large delay on going to the original caller.
Just pull to the left when safe to do so.
Yes it's important for us to reach patients quickly... but we view "sick" people differently to the general public in a large number of cases the jobs we attend, whilst the patient might be poorly... they are not what we as clinicians class as time critical. A large number of patients we attend, once we have actually seen them, if we decide they need to go to hospital they are driven at normal road speed.
It is only those time critical or "big sick" patients that then get blue'd into hospital and it is only those small amount of patients where minutes really count.... but that's for us to worry about, not you.
Even if we are running to a cardiac arrest... chances of survival are very slim if bystander cpr is not already in progress. We do what we can... but reality is people die, even when you have sweated ur ass off for an hour trying to resuscitate them... we don't let it bother us and being delayed by 10seconds because a car can't move due to a red light really will make hardly any difference to the outcome. 10minutes maybe
Sorry if I went off in one. And sorry for any harsh truths about our job "
Well said |
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Okay, so you dont get out the way of a ambulance, someone might die...thats bad. What if a 12+ tonne fire engine comes charging up behind you. You would get vilified for not moving out of the way and people burning to death. Like blocking a FE on the way to the Grenfell tower.
Im guessing if a police car is behind you, you can move past the line? I've seen how angry those cunts get if you don't get out the way, or just in general tbh. |
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By *utie91Woman
over a year ago
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"Okay, so you dont get out the way of a ambulance, someone might die...thats bad. What if a 12+ tonne fire engine comes charging up behind you. You would get vilified for not moving out of the way and people burning to death. Like blocking a FE on the way to the Grenfell tower.
Im guessing if a police car is behind you, you can move past the line? I've seen how angry those cunts get if you don't get out the way, or just in general tbh."
We only get angry if there was a sensible safe option for you to take but instead you chose to do something stupid or dangerous.... or just didn't see us at all...
also if we appear angry it's not specificity you... we do it a lot... it's kinda a way of venting our anger in the cab before a job.. then when we get to our patients we are calm and professional and have a clear head. What happens in the cab stays in the cab   |
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"I dont care, I'd move and deal with it later. They are normally on a potentially life saving job.
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Most definitely,wouldn't most people?! Who the hell would just sit there with an ambulance siren going off behind them?! |
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I just nearly got out and slapped someone for being a dick.
An idiot in a blue transit van sat at the on coming lights. Both lanes on both sides were stopped for side road traffic to cross. The ambulance was on the wrong side of the road sirens and lights on, the lights changed green. No one at all moved, the cars coming out of the side road stopped, I stopped, then the blue van decided to go blocking the ambulance between me and him which was trying to go back to the right side lane.
He even had his windows open so had to have heard it. And seen it in his driver's door mirror.
Just a few days ago outside stepping hill, just 2 set of lights away 500m away someone did the same thing at the A&E entrance and the passenger or rear passenger hit the wind screen the ambulance looked fooked.
Some people make me grrrr. |
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By *utie91Woman
over a year ago
Hitchin |
"I dont care, I'd move and deal with it later. They are normally on a potentially life saving job.
Most definitely,wouldn't most people?! Who the hell would just sit there with an ambulance siren going off behind them?!"
You'd be surprised lol |
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"I don't care what the situation is or what emergency service it is, if they have blues and two's going I will move out of the way as soon as it is safe to do so giving the emergency vehicle a clear and safe way past me, even if that means creeping forward through the lights enough to create a gap, or parking on a grass verge.
It really pisses me off when drivers dont move out of the way for emergency vehicles, especially an ambulance stuck at traffic lights!
They could be going to save somebody you know or a family member, when every second counts you wouldn't want them getting stuck behind somebody who refuses to move out the way.
I'd rather risk getting 3 points and a £60 fine than know I was partly responsible for a person dying before emergency services got to them.
You wouldn't be partly responsible at all.
And it's not about the points and fines... if you go through a red light and get hit by an oncoming car.. we would have to stop to help you.. not only would if create more work for the already overstretched ambulance service we would be putting a large delay on going to the original caller.
Just pull to the left when safe to do so.
Yes it's important for us to reach patients quickly... but we view "sick" people differently to the general public in a large number of cases the jobs we attend, whilst the patient might be poorly... they are not what we as clinicians class as time critical. A large number of patients we attend, once we have actually seen them, if we decide they need to go to hospital they are driven at normal road speed.
It is only those time critical or "big sick" patients that then get blue'd into hospital and it is only those small amount of patients where minutes really count.... but that's for us to worry about, not you.
Even if we are running to a cardiac arrest... chances of survival are very slim if bystander cpr is not already in progress. We do what we can... but reality is people die, even when you have sweated ur ass off for an hour trying to resuscitate them... we don't let it bother us and being delayed by 10seconds because a car can't move due to a red light really will make hardly any difference to the outcome. 10minutes maybe
Sorry if I went off in one. And sorry for any harsh truths about our job "
I'd feel partly responsible, even if it was because I couldn't move out of the way due to the vehicle infront of me not moving, that's just how I am. If I was at the front of the queue at traffic lights with blues behind me I would go through the lights, but only far enough to create a gap, without endangering myself or anybody else.
I have a lot of respect for the emergency services, all do difficult jobs in difficult situations and rarely get praise. |
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"I just nearly got out and slapped someone for being a dick.
An idiot in a blue transit van sat at the on coming lights. Both lanes on both sides were stopped for side road traffic to cross. The ambulance was on the wrong side of the road sirens and lights on, the lights changed green. No one at all moved, the cars coming out of the side road stopped, I stopped, then the blue van decided to go blocking the ambulance between me and him which was trying to go back to the right side lane.
He even had his windows open so had to have heard it. And seen it in his driver's door mirror.
Just a few days ago outside stepping hill, just 2 set of lights away 500m away someone did the same thing at the A&E entrance and the passenger or rear passenger hit the wind screen the ambulance looked fooked.
Some people make me grrrr. "
I was pulled out into this world at Stepping Hill. |
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By *utie91Woman
over a year ago
Hitchin |
"I don't care what the situation is or what emergency service it is, if they have blues and two's going I will move out of the way as soon as it is safe to do so giving the emergency vehicle a clear and safe way past me, even if that means creeping forward through the lights enough to create a gap, or parking on a grass verge.
It really pisses me off when drivers dont move out of the way for emergency vehicles, especially an ambulance stuck at traffic lights!
They could be going to save somebody you know or a family member, when every second counts you wouldn't want them getting stuck behind somebody who refuses to move out the way.
I'd rather risk getting 3 points and a £60 fine than know I was partly responsible for a person dying before emergency services got to them.
You wouldn't be partly responsible at all.
And it's not about the points and fines... if you go through a red light and get hit by an oncoming car.. we would have to stop to help you.. not only would if create more work for the already overstretched ambulance service we would be putting a large delay on going to the original caller.
Just pull to the left when safe to do so.
Yes it's important for us to reach patients quickly... but we view "sick" people differently to the general public in a large number of cases the jobs we attend, whilst the patient might be poorly... they are not what we as clinicians class as time critical. A large number of patients we attend, once we have actually seen them, if we decide they need to go to hospital they are driven at normal road speed.
It is only those time critical or "big sick" patients that then get blue'd into hospital and it is only those small amount of patients where minutes really count.... but that's for us to worry about, not you.
Even if we are running to a cardiac arrest... chances of survival are very slim if bystander cpr is not already in progress. We do what we can... but reality is people die, even when you have sweated ur ass off for an hour trying to resuscitate them... we don't let it bother us and being delayed by 10seconds because a car can't move due to a red light really will make hardly any difference to the outcome. 10minutes maybe
Sorry if I went off in one. And sorry for any harsh truths about our job
I'd feel partly responsible, even if it was because I couldn't move out of the way due to the vehicle infront of me not moving, that's just how I am. If I was at the front of the queue at traffic lights with blues behind me I would go through the lights, but only far enough to create a gap, without endangering myself or anybody else.
I have a lot of respect for the emergency services, all do difficult jobs in difficult situations and rarely get praise."
You don't need to feel responsible.... you wouldn't even know what incident we were attending... yes there is a very small chance it could be a cardiac arrest... but it could be a fall, a panic attack, a nose bleed, a hoax call etc...
We don't really think twice about it...just deal with the situation as it is when we arrive.
Thanks for everybody that is considerate, we do appreciate it.
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"I don't care what the situation is or what emergency service it is, if they have blues and two's going I will move out of the way as soon as it is safe to do so giving the emergency vehicle a clear and safe way past me, even if that means creeping forward through the lights enough to create a gap, or parking on a grass verge.
It really pisses me off when drivers dont move out of the way for emergency vehicles, especially an ambulance stuck at traffic lights!
They could be going to save somebody you know or a family member, when every second counts you wouldn't want them getting stuck behind somebody who refuses to move out the way.
I'd rather risk getting 3 points and a £60 fine than know I was partly responsible for a person dying before emergency services got to them.
You wouldn't be partly responsible at all.
And it's not about the points and fines... if you go through a red light and get hit by an oncoming car.. we would have to stop to help you.. not only would if create more work for the already overstretched ambulance service we would be putting a large delay on going to the original caller.
Just pull to the left when safe to do so.
Yes it's important for us to reach patients quickly... but we view "sick" people differently to the general public in a large number of cases the jobs we attend, whilst the patient might be poorly... they are not what we as clinicians class as time critical. A large number of patients we attend, once we have actually seen them, if we decide they need to go to hospital they are driven at normal road speed.
It is only those time critical or "big sick" patients that then get blue'd into hospital and it is only those small amount of patients where minutes really count.... but that's for us to worry about, not you.
Even if we are running to a cardiac arrest... chances of survival are very slim if bystander cpr is not already in progress. We do what we can... but reality is people die, even when you have sweated ur ass off for an hour trying to resuscitate them... we don't let it bother us and being delayed by 10seconds because a car can't move due to a red light really will make hardly any difference to the outcome. 10minutes maybe
Sorry if I went off in one. And sorry for any harsh truths about our job
I'd feel partly responsible, even if it was because I couldn't move out of the way due to the vehicle infront of me not moving, that's just how I am. If I was at the front of the queue at traffic lights with blues behind me I would go through the lights, but only far enough to create a gap, without endangering myself or anybody else.
I have a lot of respect for the emergency services, all do difficult jobs in difficult situations and rarely get praise.
You don't need to feel responsible.... you wouldn't even know what incident we were attending... yes there is a very small chance it could be a cardiac arrest... but it could be a fall, a panic attack, a nose bleed, a hoax call etc...
We don't really think twice about it...just deal with the situation as it is when we arrive.
Thanks for everybody that is considerate, we do appreciate it.
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