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"Ive always thought of them as being disabilities mainly because i get disabled bus pass and disabled railcard. Hidden disabilities. A disability doesnt have to be physical" Oh I know, I've just never viewed my mental health issues as a disability - even though they can be disabling. I have dyspraxia, and likewise I've never looked at that as a disability. | |||
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"I'm soon to start a new job *excited giddiness* and as I was filling out the Equal Opportunities form I noticed that depression was counted as a disability, and while doing my disability awareness training this morning, depression and other mental illnesses were counted as disabilities too, and I've never thought of poor mental health as being a disability before. Thoughts? Would this help stigmas about both mental illnesses and disability?" Mental illnesses yea. But I would never have guessed depression counted, as someone who has never suffered from it before, I guess I always just thought of depression as more of an extreme mood. Learn something new everyday. | |||
"Ive always thought of them as being disabilities mainly because i get disabled bus pass and disabled railcard. Hidden disabilities. A disability doesnt have to be physical Oh I know, I've just never viewed my mental health issues as a disability - even though they can be disabling. I have dyspraxia, and likewise I've never looked at that as a disability." will you be getting support for them at your new job. | |||
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"Ive always thought of them as being disabilities mainly because i get disabled bus pass and disabled railcard. Hidden disabilities. A disability doesnt have to be physical Oh I know, I've just never viewed my mental health issues as a disability - even though they can be disabling. I have dyspraxia, and likewise I've never looked at that as a disability.will you be getting support for them at your new job. " I think I will if I need it 
I ticked the disabled box but not the registered as disabled box. If I'm asked by a manager I'll just explain as much as I can. | |||
"I'm soon to start a new job *excited giddiness* and as I was filling out the Equal Opportunities form I noticed that depression was counted as a disability, and while doing my disability awareness training this morning, depression and other mental illnesses were counted as disabilities too, and I've never thought of poor mental health as being a disability before. Thoughts? Would this help stigmas about both mental illnesses and disability? Mental illnesses yea. But I would never have guessed depression counted, as someone who has never suffered from it before, I guess I always just thought of depression as more of an extreme mood. Learn something new everyday." Depression and anxiety are like a spectrum. From the clinical diagnosis end to a feeling of being down or worried. | |||
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"Ive always thought of them as being disabilities mainly because i get disabled bus pass and disabled railcard. Hidden disabilities. A disability doesnt have to be physical Oh I know, I've just never viewed my mental health issues as a disability - even though they can be disabling. I have dyspraxia, and likewise I've never looked at that as a disability.will you be getting support for them at your new job. I think I will if I need it
I ticked the disabled box but not the registered as disabled box. If I'm asked by a manager I'll just explain as much as I can."yes there is a difference of whether your registered or not. Im registered as severely disabled thats why i can get passes and such | |||
"You're disabled under the Equality Act 2010 if you have a physical or mental impairment that has a 'substantial' and 'long-term' negative effect on your ability to do normal daily activities. Hence it can both be an Equality Act defined disability or not. " Well, I never knew that. | |||
"Ive always thought of them as being disabilities mainly because i get disabled bus pass and disabled railcard. Hidden disabilities. A disability doesnt have to be physical Oh I know, I've just never viewed my mental health issues as a disability - even though they can be disabling. I have dyspraxia, and likewise I've never looked at that as a disability.will you be getting support for them at your new job. I think I will if I need it
I ticked the disabled box but not the registered as disabled box. If I'm asked by a manager I'll just explain as much as I can."It's always a good idea to do that. Most companies want the information so they can give you any additional support you need to do your job. | |||
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"Anyone can be "depressed" if they're good at acting. To me depression's not a disability." People are hospitalised for depression. It is a disability. Sadly other people's incorrect views make situations worse | |||
"Ive always thought of them as being disabilities mainly because i get disabled bus pass and disabled railcard. Hidden disabilities. A disability doesnt have to be physical Oh I know, I've just never viewed my mental health issues as a disability - even though they can be disabling. I have dyspraxia, and likewise I've never looked at that as a disability.will you be getting support for them at your new job. I think I will if I need it
I ticked the disabled box but not the registered as disabled box. If I'm asked by a manager I'll just explain as much as I can.yes there is a difference of whether your registered or not. Im registered as severely disabled thats why i can get passes and such"Ahhh. I've never looked at being registered because my mental health issues are now relatively mild and I cope well 99% of the time. And I just look at my dyspraxia as quirks that I've found ways to deal with over the years. | |||
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" People are hospitalised for depression. It is a disability. Sadly other people's incorrect views make situations worse " They can be hospitalised for depression, not every depressed person ends up in a hospital, people who do tends usually to harm themselves in every possible way. But you can be depressed and not be in an hospital. But how would you guys describe depression ? | |||
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" People are hospitalised for depression. It is a disability. Sadly other people's incorrect views make situations worse They can be hospitalised for depression, not every depressed person ends up in a hospital, people who do tends usually to harm themselves in every possible way. But you can be depressed and not be in an hospital. But how would you guys describe depression ?" You are right, not every depressed person does end up in hospital. My point being that depression can be classed as a disability depending on the severity of it for some | |||
"I would have always classed mental health issues as a disability. I'm bipolar and sometimes dealing with the problems that arise out of that can be just as paralyzing as anything physical, I also have a young niece with dyspraxia and I see how it affects her both physically and mentally. I don't get any benefits or assistance for my disability, but it affects my life nonetheless." I don't get help either, aside from having a MIND case worker until that service was cut. I can sympathize with your niece - dyspraxia can be so frustrating, especially when you're still at school  | |||
"Anyone can be "depressed" if they're good at acting. To me depression's not a disability." so how would someone "act" depressed. What do you think it means if someone says they have depression | |||
" People are hospitalised for depression. It is a disability. Sadly other people's incorrect views make situations worse They can be hospitalised for depression, not every depressed person ends up in a hospital, people who do tends usually to harm themselves in every possible way. But you can be depressed and not be in an hospital. But how would you guys describe depression ?" A spectrum. It's really important to not dismiss either end of the spectrum. Your opening comment about it not being a disability is inaccurate. However, to say all depression under the Equality Act definition is a disability is also inaccurate. However negating the seriousness of clinical depression as a disability is ill informed and dangerous. | |||
" You are right, not every depressed person does end up in hospital. My point being that depression can be classed as a disability depending on the severity of it for some " Ahhh ok my bad i thought you were a bit close minded like : "every person suffzring from depression ends up in hospital and no matter the degree of it, it's a disability" which i strongly disagree. But it was my bad here, and therefore i agree with you, but sadly a lot of people tends to claim "i'm having a depression" and they're just feeling a bit sad, which doesn't help people really suffering from a real depression. | |||
" People are hospitalised for depression. It is a disability. Sadly other people's incorrect views make situations worse They can be hospitalised for depression, not every depressed person ends up in a hospital, people who do tends usually to harm themselves in every possible way. But you can be depressed and not be in an hospital. But how would you guys describe depression ?" Darkness, feeling hopeless and helpless, and feeling worse for feeling like you can't help yourself. Taking life's hits, like not getting a job, harder than you would on a 'good' day. Feeling disgusted by actions that you take. Feeling alone and that there's no one to turn to. | |||
"Anyone can be "depressed" if they're good at acting. To me depression's not a disability.so how would someone "act" depressed. What do you think it means if someone says they have depression" That's a question i can't answer, but it's a fact, some people act like they're depressed (for example to not go to work, i've seen that example from my own eyes last year with a colleague claiming he was depressed, so not coming at work for 2 months but one day i saw him making bungee jumping during my vacations, not the best example but i hope you get my.point, some people over react and takes advantage of stuff like that) | |||
" You are right, not every depressed person does end up in hospital. My point being that depression can be classed as a disability depending on the severity of it for some Ahhh ok my bad i thought you were a bit close minded like : "every person suffzring from depression ends up in hospital and no matter the degree of it, it's a disability" which i strongly disagree. But it was my bad here, and therefore i agree with you, but sadly a lot of people tends to claim "i'm having a depression" and they're just feeling a bit sad, which doesn't help people really suffering from a real depression." No I did not mean everyone with depression gets hospitalised. I also did not say that every case is a disability. Some people are hospitalised and I feel very strongly about people not thinking it is an illness. I agree with you that some people say they are depressed when they have not had that diagnosis from a GP or psychiatrist | |||
" You are right, not every depressed person does end up in hospital. My point being that depression can be classed as a disability depending on the severity of it for some Ahhh ok my bad i thought you were a bit close minded like : "every person suffzring from depression ends up in hospital and no matter the degree of it, it's a disability" which i strongly disagree. But it was my bad here, and therefore i agree with you, but sadly a lot of people tends to claim "i'm having a depression" and they're just feeling a bit sad, which doesn't help people really suffering from a real depression." its hard. I had this conversation with my nurse last week. One person saying they are depressed could just be a low mood day another saying it could mean if i dont get help now im going to end it. I do agree that a lot of people say they are depressed but a low mood day wouldnt be classed as disabled | |||
" But how would you guys describe depression ? Darkness, feeling hopeless and helpless, and feeling worse for feeling like you can't help yourself. Taking life's hits, like not getting a job, harder than you would on a 'good' day. Feeling disgusted by actions that you take. Feeling alone and that there's no one to turn to." To me, no offense intended to anyone, but what you described is more a "feeling like shit" moment to me, that anyone can experience at certain stage of your life. It happened to me when i wasn't of what i wanted to do with my life. But i never claimed to suffer from depression. I think that it's nearly impossible to give a precise définition or a depression, the human mind is a huge mystery ! | |||
"Anyone can be "depressed" if they're good at acting. To me depression's not a disability.so how would someone "act" depressed. What do you think it means if someone says they have depression That's a question i can't answer, but it's a fact, some people act like they're depressed (for example to not go to work, i've seen that example from my own eyes last year with a colleague claiming he was depressed, so not coming at work for 2 months but one day i saw him making bungee jumping during my vacations, not the best example but i hope you get my.point, some people over react and takes advantage of stuff like that)" Even in that example, you do t really know what's happening for someone though. I mean (and again I'm pushing examples to make a point) the bungee jumping could be someone with manic depression with mania and being risktaking but still unwell, it could merely be them feeling better and going bungee jumping -- it doesn't necessarily negate their feeling too unwell to work, who knows what was going on for them, perhaps the issues were associated with the work environment and yes perhaps they were faking it. Point is you are making an assumption. It may not be accurate. | |||
" But how would you guys describe depression ? Darkness, feeling hopeless and helpless, and feeling worse for feeling like you can't help yourself. Taking life's hits, like not getting a job, harder than you would on a 'good' day. Feeling disgusted by actions that you take. Feeling alone and that there's no one to turn to. To me, no offense intended to anyone, but what you described is more a "feeling like shit" moment to me, that anyone can experience at certain stage of your life. It happened to me when i wasn't of what i wanted to do with my life. But i never claimed to suffer from depression. I think that it's nearly impossible to give a precise définition or a depression, the human mind is a huge mystery !" The human mind is an organ. If there is a chemical imbalance then that organ is unwell and not functioning. Some people are diagnosed with depression and are able to still manage day to day activities with help, medication, lifestyle changes or a combination. Some people cannot open their eyes, walk, talk or do basic personal tasks | |||
"Anyone can be "depressed" if they're good at acting. To me depression's not a disability.so how would someone "act" depressed. What do you think it means if someone says they have depression That's a question i can't answer, but it's a fact, some people act like they're depressed (for example to not go to work, i've seen that example from my own eyes last year with a colleague claiming he was depressed, so not coming at work for 2 months but one day i saw him making bungee jumping during my vacations, not the best example but i hope you get my.point, some people over react and takes advantage of stuff like that) Even in that example, you do t really know what's happening for someone though. I mean (and again I'm pushing examples to make a point) the bungee jumping could be someone with manic depression with mania and being risktaking but still unwell, it could merely be them feeling better and going bungee jumping -- it doesn't necessarily negate their feeling too unwell to work, who knows what was going on for them, perhaps the issues were associated with the work environment and yes perhaps they were faking it. Point is you are making an assumption. It may not be accurate. " Hmmm fair enough i get your point, i don't agree but i get it. But yeah that's a very difficult question, but glad some people gave their point of view with fact, arguments, etc (: ! | |||
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" You are right, not every depressed person does end up in hospital. My point being that depression can be classed as a disability depending on the severity of it for some Ahhh ok my bad i thought you were a bit close minded like : "every person suffzring from depression ends up in hospital and no matter the degree of it, it's a disability" which i strongly disagree. But it was my bad here, and therefore i agree with you, but sadly a lot of people tends to claim "i'm having a depression" and they're just feeling a bit sad, which doesn't help people really suffering from a real depression. No I did not mean everyone with depression gets hospitalised. I also did not say that every case is a disability. Some people are hospitalised and I feel very strongly about people not thinking it is an illness. I agree with you that some people say they are depressed when they have not had that diagnosis from a GP or psychiatrist " Playing devil's advocate, you did say "Any mental illness be it depression, anxiety, psychosis...is a disability." I appreciate you have further clarified here that you're meaning only if formally having received a clinical diagnosis rather than being self proclaimed. | |||
"Anyone can be "depressed" if they're good at acting. To me depression's not a disability.so how would someone "act" depressed. What do you think it means if someone says they have depression That's a question i can't answer, but it's a fact, some people act like they're depressed (for example to not go to work, i've seen that example from my own eyes last year with a colleague claiming he was depressed, so not coming at work for 2 months but one day i saw him making bungee jumping during my vacations, not the best example but i hope you get my.point, some people over react and takes advantage of stuff like that) Even in that example, you do t really know what's happening for someone though. I mean (and again I'm pushing examples to make a point) the bungee jumping could be someone with manic depression with mania and being risktaking but still unwell, it could merely be them feeling better and going bungee jumping -- it doesn't necessarily negate their feeling too unwell to work, who knows what was going on for them, perhaps the issues were associated with the work environment and yes perhaps they were faking it. Point is you are making an assumption. It may not be accurate. Hmmm fair enough i get your point, i don't agree but i get it. But yeah that's a very difficult question, but glad some people gave their point of view with fact, arguments, etc (: !" You don't agree in that you *know* what is happening fully for another person? That, some might say, is delusional.  | |||
" You are right, not every depressed person does end up in hospital. My point being that depression can be classed as a disability depending on the severity of it for some Ahhh ok my bad i thought you were a bit close minded like : "every person suffzring from depression ends up in hospital and no matter the degree of it, it's a disability" which i strongly disagree. But it was my bad here, and therefore i agree with you, but sadly a lot of people tends to claim "i'm having a depression" and they're just feeling a bit sad, which doesn't help people really suffering from a real depression. No I did not mean everyone with depression gets hospitalised. I also did not say that every case is a disability. Some people are hospitalised and I feel very strongly about people not thinking it is an illness. I agree with you that some people say they are depressed when they have not had that diagnosis from a GP or psychiatrist Playing devil's advocate, you did say "Any mental illness be it depression, anxiety, psychosis...is a disability." I appreciate you have further clarified here that you're meaning only if formally having received a clinical diagnosis rather than being self proclaimed. " Yes it is a disability once a) diagnosed and b) deemed by the correct channels that it is a disability | |||
" But how would you guys describe depression ? Darkness, feeling hopeless and helpless, and feeling worse for feeling like you can't help yourself. Taking life's hits, like not getting a job, harder than you would on a 'good' day. Feeling disgusted by actions that you take. Feeling alone and that there's no one to turn to. To me, no offense intended to anyone, but what you described is more a "feeling like shit" moment to me, that anyone can experience at certain stage of your life. It happened to me when i wasn't of what i wanted to do with my life. But i never claimed to suffer from depression. I think that it's nearly impossible to give a precise définition or a depression, the human mind is a huge mystery !" But what about when you feel like that for months on end? For example, after a really painful, life changing event in September 2009 - which still effects me today - from that point until February 2010, I was extremely ill - I went completely nocturnal, hardly ate, developed an eating disorder and got extremely frail through that, and I didn't take care of myself because I didn't care about myself or my life - that, with all the symptoms which I mentioned in my post which you quoted, indicates to me that it was more than just a shit moment. | |||
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" You are right, not every depressed person does end up in hospital. My point being that depression can be classed as a disability depending on the severity of it for some Ahhh ok my bad i thought you were a bit close minded like : "every person suffzring from depression ends up in hospital and no matter the degree of it, it's a disability" which i strongly disagree. But it was my bad here, and therefore i agree with you, but sadly a lot of people tends to claim "i'm having a depression" and they're just feeling a bit sad, which doesn't help people really suffering from a real depression. No I did not mean everyone with depression gets hospitalised. I also did not say that every case is a disability. Some people are hospitalised and I feel very strongly about people not thinking it is an illness. I agree with you that some people say they are depressed when they have not had that diagnosis from a GP or psychiatrist Playing devil's advocate, you did say "Any mental illness be it depression, anxiety, psychosis...is a disability." I appreciate you have further clarified here that you're meaning only if formally having received a clinical diagnosis rather than being self proclaimed. Yes it is a disability once a) diagnosed and b) deemed by the correct channels that it is a disability " Just because I know we both work in this arena, I'm going to throw the controversial question in (for discursive purpose) of what about the individual's right to choose not to view it as a disability even if clinically diagnosed?  | |||
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"Ok. I dont usually go into how my depression affects me cause some of it is embarressing but here goes (by the way i have type 1 bipolar) Cant open my eyes , cant speak. Dont want to see anyone. If i can get downstairs i just sit no music or television. Hours can dissappear without me knowing. I wont cook. My mum has to come sit with me. (This is the embarressing thing) i cant wash or shower or do my housework. If i have to move to go to the toilet i can have a major panic attack. I just want to curl up and die. If its really bad i go into a catotonic state and will be in bed for days not knowing the time or day halfway between conscious and unconscious. Thats what its like for me" That's really brave of you to explain that  | |||
" You are right, not every depressed person does end up in hospital. My point being that depression can be classed as a disability depending on the severity of it for some Ahhh ok my bad i thought you were a bit close minded like : "every person suffzring from depression ends up in hospital and no matter the degree of it, it's a disability" which i strongly disagree. But it was my bad here, and therefore i agree with you, but sadly a lot of people tends to claim "i'm having a depression" and they're just feeling a bit sad, which doesn't help people really suffering from a real depression. No I did not mean everyone with depression gets hospitalised. I also did not say that every case is a disability. Some people are hospitalised and I feel very strongly about people not thinking it is an illness. I agree with you that some people say they are depressed when they have not had that diagnosis from a GP or psychiatrist Playing devil's advocate, you did say "Any mental illness be it depression, anxiety, psychosis...is a disability." I appreciate you have further clarified here that you're meaning only if formally having received a clinical diagnosis rather than being self proclaimed. Yes it is a disability once a) diagnosed and b) deemed by the correct channels that it is a disability Just because I know we both work in this arena, I'm going to throw the controversial question in (for discursive purpose) of what about the individual's right to choose not to view it as a disability even if clinically diagnosed? "The individual has the right to not view it as a disability. Most patients I work with don't want that classification of themselves by themselves. They may be classed as disabled in some cases but many don't view it and prefer to fight to get well | |||
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" You are right, not every depressed person does end up in hospital. My point being that depression can be classed as a disability depending on the severity of it for some Ahhh ok my bad i thought you were a bit close minded like : "every person suffzring from depression ends up in hospital and no matter the degree of it, it's a disability" which i strongly disagree. But it was my bad here, and therefore i agree with you, but sadly a lot of people tends to claim "i'm having a depression" and they're just feeling a bit sad, which doesn't help people really suffering from a real depression. No I did not mean everyone with depression gets hospitalised. I also did not say that every case is a disability. Some people are hospitalised and I feel very strongly about people not thinking it is an illness. I agree with you that some people say they are depressed when they have not had that diagnosis from a GP or psychiatrist Playing devil's advocate, you did say "Any mental illness be it depression, anxiety, psychosis...is a disability." I appreciate you have further clarified here that you're meaning only if formally having received a clinical diagnosis rather than being self proclaimed. Yes it is a disability once a) diagnosed and b) deemed by the correct channels that it is a disability Just because I know we both work in this arena, I'm going to throw the controversial question in (for discursive purpose) of what about the individual's right to choose not to view it as a disability even if clinically diagnosed?
The individual has the right to not view it as a disability. Most patients I work with don't want that classification of themselves by themselves.
They may be classed as disabled in some cases but many don't view it and prefer to fight to get well "Nods. It's an interesting one.  | |||
" You are right, not every depressed person does end up in hospital. My point being that depression can be classed as a disability depending on the severity of it for some Ahhh ok my bad i thought you were a bit close minded like : "every person suffzring from depression ends up in hospital and no matter the degree of it, it's a disability" which i strongly disagree. But it was my bad here, and therefore i agree with you, but sadly a lot of people tends to claim "i'm having a depression" and they're just feeling a bit sad, which doesn't help people really suffering from a real depression. No I did not mean everyone with depression gets hospitalised. I also did not say that every case is a disability. Some people are hospitalised and I feel very strongly about people not thinking it is an illness. I agree with you that some people say they are depressed when they have not had that diagnosis from a GP or psychiatrist Playing devil's advocate, you did say "Any mental illness be it depression, anxiety, psychosis...is a disability." I appreciate you have further clarified here that you're meaning only if formally having received a clinical diagnosis rather than being self proclaimed. Yes it is a disability once a) diagnosed and b) deemed by the correct channels that it is a disability Just because I know we both work in this arena, I'm going to throw the controversial question in (for discursive purpose) of what about the individual's right to choose not to view it as a disability even if clinically diagnosed?
The individual has the right to not view it as a disability. Most patients I work with don't want that classification of themselves by themselves.
They may be classed as disabled in some cases but many don't view it and prefer to fight to get well
Nods. It's an interesting one. "It's great to have so much chat about it on this thread. Thanks to the OP for starting it | |||
"Yes, kudos to those sharing their personal experiences so openly. And to those asking their questions. "I echo that. My experience with mental health has concerned loved ones and a now ex girlfriend. I learned lots about it and continue to have that interest. | |||
"The individual has the right to not view it as a disability. Most patients I work with don't want that classification of themselves by themselves. They may be classed as disabled in some cases but many don't view it and prefer to fight to get well " That sounds like me. | |||
"Ive always thought of them as being disabilities mainly because i get disabled bus pass and disabled railcard. Hidden disabilities. A disability doesnt have to be physical Oh I know, I've just never viewed my mental health issues as a disability - even though they can be disabling. I have dyspraxia, and likewise I've never looked at that as a disability.will you be getting support for them at your new job. I think I will if I need it
I ticked the disabled box but not the registered as disabled box. If I'm asked by a manager I'll just explain as much as I can.yes there is a difference of whether your registered or not. Im registered as severely disabled thats why i can get passes and such"There is no longer a 'register' of disabled people. You don't need to register. The only benefit of being registered was being able to carry a card or other proof from an authority that you were disabled. | |||
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" You are right, not every depressed person does end up in hospital. My point being that depression can be classed as a disability depending on the severity of it for some Ahhh ok my bad i thought you were a bit close minded like : "every person suffzring from depression ends up in hospital and no matter the degree of it, it's a disability" which i strongly disagree. But it was my bad here, and therefore i agree with you, but sadly a lot of people tends to claim "i'm having a depression" and they're just feeling a bit sad, which doesn't help people really suffering from a real depression. No I did not mean everyone with depression gets hospitalised. I also did not say that every case is a disability. Some people are hospitalised and I feel very strongly about people not thinking it is an illness. I agree with you that some people say they are depressed when they have not had that diagnosis from a GP or psychiatrist Playing devil's advocate, you did say "Any mental illness be it depression, anxiety, psychosis...is a disability." I appreciate you have further clarified here that you're meaning only if formally having received a clinical diagnosis rather than being self proclaimed. Yes it is a disability once a) diagnosed and b) deemed by the correct channels that it is a disability Just because I know we both work in this arena, I'm going to throw the controversial question in (for discursive purpose) of what about the individual's right to choose not to view it as a disability even if clinically diagnosed?
The individual has the right to not view it as a disability. Most patients I work with don't want that classification of themselves by themselves.
They may be classed as disabled in some cases but many don't view it and prefer to fight to get well
Nods. It's an interesting one.
It's great to have so much chat about it on this thread. Thanks to the OP for starting it "
I don't tend to talk about my personal experiences but it's a subject which does need to be discussed. | |||
" You are right, not every depressed person does end up in hospital. My point being that depression can be classed as a disability depending on the severity of it for some Ahhh ok my bad i thought you were a bit close minded like : "every person suffzring from depression ends up in hospital and no matter the degree of it, it's a disability" which i strongly disagree. But it was my bad here, and therefore i agree with you, but sadly a lot of people tends to claim "i'm having a depression" and they're just feeling a bit sad, which doesn't help people really suffering from a real depression. No I did not mean everyone with depression gets hospitalised. I also did not say that every case is a disability. Some people are hospitalised and I feel very strongly about people not thinking it is an illness. I agree with you that some people say they are depressed when they have not had that diagnosis from a GP or psychiatrist Playing devil's advocate, you did say "Any mental illness be it depression, anxiety, psychosis...is a disability." I appreciate you have further clarified here that you're meaning only if formally having received a clinical diagnosis rather than being self proclaimed. Yes it is a disability once a) diagnosed and b) deemed by the correct channels that it is a disability Just because I know we both work in this arena, I'm going to throw the controversial question in (for discursive purpose) of what about the individual's right to choose not to view it as a disability even if clinically diagnosed?
The individual has the right to not view it as a disability. Most patients I work with don't want that classification of themselves by themselves.
They may be classed as disabled in some cases but many don't view it and prefer to fight to get well
Nods. It's an interesting one.
It's great to have so much chat about it on this thread. Thanks to the OP for starting it
I don't tend to talk about my personal experiences but it's a subject which does need to be discussed."I couldn't agree more. It's the subject I feel most strongly about and a massive thanks to you for starting it | |||
"I'm soon to start a new job *excited giddiness* and as I was filling out the Equal Opportunities form I noticed that depression was counted as a disability, and while doing my disability awareness training this morning, depression and other mental illnesses were counted as disabilities too, and I've never thought of poor mental health as being a disability before. Thoughts? Would this help stigmas about both mental illnesses and disability?" I've recently been diagnosed with depression. I'm really not sure how to deal with it. I'm keeping an eye on this to try and pick up advice | |||
"Ive always thought of them as being disabilities mainly because i get disabled bus pass and disabled railcard. Hidden disabilities. A disability doesnt have to be physical Oh I know, I've just never viewed my mental health issues as a disability - even though they can be disabling. I have dyspraxia, and likewise I've never looked at that as a disability.will you be getting support for them at your new job. I think I will if I need it
I ticked the disabled box but not the registered as disabled box. If I'm asked by a manager I'll just explain as much as I can."You may be asked to complete an occupational health form and then may be asked to speak to an OHT (usually on the phone) Don't be worried by this as it is (usually) used to ensure that if your work needs adjusting it is done earlier rather than later. I too tick the disabled (not registered) box and cite my long term health condition and my mental health. I do this because if anything happens I don't want the employer using the excuse that I lied on my forms about known conditions. Others don't tick the boxes and know about their conditions - it is a personal decision. It would still be difficult for an employer to act on this being a lie, given it's nature, but for the roles I take I lead by example. Good luck with the new role. | |||
"Ive always thought of them as being disabilities mainly because i get disabled bus pass and disabled railcard. Hidden disabilities. A disability doesnt have to be physical Oh I know, I've just never viewed my mental health issues as a disability - even though they can be disabling. I have dyspraxia, and likewise I've never looked at that as a disability.will you be getting support for them at your new job. I think I will if I need it
I ticked the disabled box but not the registered as disabled box. If I'm asked by a manager I'll just explain as much as I can.
You may be asked to complete an occupational health form and then may be asked to speak to an OHT (usually on the phone) Don't be worried by this as it is (usually) used to ensure that if your work needs adjusting it is done earlier rather than later.
I too tick the disabled (not registered) box and cite my long term health condition and my mental health. I do this because if anything happens I don't want the employer using the excuse that I lied on my forms about known conditions. Others don't tick the boxes and know about their conditions - it is a personal decision. It would still be difficult for an employer to act on this being a lie, given it's nature, but for the roles I take I lead by example.
Good luck with the new role.
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"Anyone can be "depressed" if they're good at acting. To me depression's not a disability." I'm really good at 'acting' then. I remember how much acting it took to stop myself from suicide the last time. My GP and a whole host of psychiatrists all fell for my act. | |||
" There is no longer a 'register' of disabled people. You don't need to register. The only benefit of being registered was being able to carry a card or other proof from an authority that you were disabled. " I'm going to disagree with you there, local authorities have a statutory duty to maintain a register for certain disabilities, possibly all but don't know that as a fact. Also the benefit of registering of that it helps the authority budget and plan for services to support certain groups. It's massively important and I know from first hand experience some councils say they don't need to provide x or y because they don't have any people registered who would need them. | |||
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"Anyone can be "depressed" if they're good at acting. To me depression's not a disability. I'm really good at 'acting' then. I remember how much acting it took to stop myself from suicide the last time. My GP and a whole host of psychiatrists all fell for my act. " Stop thinking i was talking about people really suffering from depression, i was talking about the people acting like they're depressed. Pe-fucking-riod. Well done for recovering tho. | |||
" There is no longer a 'register' of disabled people. You don't need to register. The only benefit of being registered was being able to carry a card or other proof from an authority that you were disabled. I'm going to disagree with you there, local authorities have a statutory duty to maintain a register for certain disabilities, possibly all but don't know that as a fact. Also the benefit of registering of that it helps the authority budget and plan for services to support certain groups. It's massively important and I know from first hand experience some councils say they don't need to provide x or y because they don't have any people registered who would need them." You're both correct in parts. I made a comment on this further up. There is no longer a disability register (as there used to be) as Ellis states but you do "register" in certain ways for certain supports. But there is no one national database. | |||
"I would like to hear if people view alcoholism as a mental health disability? I ask this out of my personal experience and would like your views "Problem drinking that becomes severe is given the medical diagnosis of “alcohol use disorder” or AUD. AUD is a chronic relapsing brain disease characterized by compulsive alcohol use, loss of control over alcohol intake, and a negative emotional state when not using. This is DSM V classification. Alcoholism has been classified as a substance abuse disorder in previous incarnations of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-III). Mental and emotional symptoms of alcoholism exist long before the grave physical complications of the disease appear. So a combination mental and physical impairments and again a spectrum of severity. | |||
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"I would like to hear if people view alcoholism as a mental health disability? I ask this out of my personal experience and would like your views
Problem drinking that becomes severe is given the medical diagnosis of “alcohol use disorder” or AUD. AUD is a chronic relapsing brain disease characterized by compulsive alcohol use, loss of control over alcohol intake, and a negative emotional state when not using. This is DSM V classification.
Alcoholism has been classified as a substance abuse disorder in previous incarnations of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-III). Mental and emotional symptoms of alcoholism exist long before the grave physical complications of the disease appear.
So a combination mental and physical impairments and again a spectrum of severity. "The addiction comes from brain function though. The physical impairments as a consequence of the abuse. | |||
"Also i never refer to myself as being disabled. I certainly dont play on it but i have to recognize i have an illness. But the only time i mention it is on threads like these. " I don't refer to myself as disabled either but I do talk about my depression and health condition and tick the box for employers. I mention the mental health as I know it has helped others to open up. I mention the long term health condition as few have heard of it and don't understand how it can affect people. | |||
"To make it clear, the acting part i've been mentionning is more about people that needs a lot of attention, and so, to get some attention they are ready to state : i'm depressed. But once again, i'm not an expert in such things, it's my point of view, but i still consider depression as an horrible condition, when it's real." I still worry about people "deciding" the realness or not of another's condition when unqualified to do so. Surely you see that? | |||
"The social model of disability is far more helpful than the medical. " I agree and urge people to look it up. | |||
" There is no longer a 'register' of disabled people. You don't need to register. The only benefit of being registered was being able to carry a card or other proof from an authority that you were disabled. I'm going to disagree with you there, local authorities have a statutory duty to maintain a register for certain disabilities, possibly all but don't know that as a fact. Also the benefit of registering of that it helps the authority budget and plan for services to support certain groups. It's massively important and I know from first hand experience some councils say they don't need to provide x or y because they don't have any people registered who would need them. You're both correct in parts. I made a comment on this further up. There is no longer a disability register (as there used to be) as Ellis states but you do "register" in certain ways for certain supports. But there is no one national database. " *Elpis! Sorry. Also yes yes yes re your mention of the social model, I missed that post but saw it when Lickety bumped it. Absolutely. | |||
"Also i never refer to myself as being disabled. I certainly dont play on it but i have to recognize i have an illness. But the only time i mention it is on threads like these. I don't refer to myself as disabled either but I do talk about my depression and health condition and tick the box for employers. I mention the mental health as I know it has helped others to open up. I mention the long term health condition as few have heard of it and don't understand how it can affect people. " exactly. I dont ever want to feel like im playing the victim or want anyone to feel sorry for me but you also have to be practical about things. I dont like wearing my sos bracelet when i go somewhere new on my own but what would happen if i started having a psycotic attack | |||
"To make it clear, the acting part i've been mentionning is more about people that needs a lot of attention, and so, to get some attention they are ready to state : i'm depressed. But once again, i'm not an expert in such things, it's my point of view, but i still consider depression as an horrible condition, when it's real. I still worry about people "deciding" the realness or not of another's condition when unqualified to do so. Surely you see that?" As i said i'm not expert so. No i can't see that, that's why i'm not saying anything on peoples experience here, i'm judging from my own experiences, i can't decide what's real or not, but i can have an opinion about what i consider (and not decide) as real or not, also don't forget what i said earlier "The human brain is too complicated for us to fully understand it" not exactly what i said but that's what i meant. Also, then we could think about the placebos experience, the meds weren't real, but the peoples mind were sure it was and then they healed. I think it might prove that : if someone's conviced of something, strong conviction, almost blind, the body and the state of mind of that person can change, even tho nothing "real" happened. I'm sorry if that ain't clear, english isn't my native language therefore it's a bit difficult to express what i really mean. Just don't forget one thing : i believe in depression but i also believe in the people acting like they're depressed when they're not. You can't believe in heaven and denying hell, to have light you need darkness. | |||
" There is no longer a 'register' of disabled people. You don't need to register. The only benefit of being registered was being able to carry a card or other proof from an authority that you were disabled. I'm going to disagree with you there, local authorities have a statutory duty to maintain a register for certain disabilities, possibly all but don't know that as a fact. Also the benefit of registering of that it helps the authority budget and plan for services to support certain groups. It's massively important and I know from first hand experience some councils say they don't need to provide x or y because they don't have any people registered who would need them." this is very little to do with employment. there is no central register anymore. | |||
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"To make it clear, the acting part i've been mentionning is more about people that needs a lot of attention, and so, to get some attention they are ready to state : i'm depressed. But once again, i'm not an expert in such things, it's my point of view, but i still consider depression as an horrible condition, when it's real. I still worry about people "deciding" the realness or not of another's condition when unqualified to do so. Surely you see that? As i said i'm not expert so. No i can't see that, that's why i'm not saying anything on peoples experience here, i'm judging from my own experiences, i can't decide what's real or not, but i can have an opinion about what i consider (and not decide) as real or not, also don't forget what i said earlier "The human brain is too complicated for us to fully understand it" not exactly what i said but that's what i meant. Also, then we could think about the placebos experience, the meds weren't real, but the peoples mind were sure it was and then they healed. I think it might prove that : if someone's conviced of something, strong conviction, almost blind, the body and the state of mind of that person can change, even tho nothing "real" happened. I'm sorry if that ain't clear, english isn't my native language therefore it's a bit difficult to express what i really mean. Just don't forget one thing : i believe in depression but i also believe in the people acting like they're depressed when they're not. You can't believe in heaven and denying hell, to have light you need darkness." I'm not denying that someone out there may be pretending wilfully, I would however, wonder what's happening for them to feel the need to do that though. My point is you may guess when you think that's happening but you'd still not know for sure. Your last comment makes me wonder if you weren't talking about whether someone is wilfully lying or not though -- and whether you mean someone who has convinced themselves that their situation is graver than it is? Again your talk of placebos being the evidence that they weren't unwell is misguided a little, when you read more about the social and medical models, as medicine is not the only option for 'recovery' (however the person defines recovery) in some cases (medication is a lifesaver and necessity for some absolutely) but it may not be what eases things for some people, or the only thing that does, so the placebo argument isn't conclusive to the point I think you're making. | |||
" I'm not denying that someone out there may be pretending wilfully, I would however, wonder what's happening for them to feel the need to do that though. My point is you may guess when you think that's happening but you'd still not know for sure. Your last comment makes me wonder if you weren't talking about whether someone is wilfully lying or not though -- and whether you mean someone who has convinced themselves that their situation is graver than it is? Again your talk of placebos being the evidence that they weren't unwell is misguided a little, when you read more about the social and medical models, as medicine is not the only option for 'recovery' (however the person defines recovery) in some cases (medication is a lifesaver and necessity for some absolutely) but it may not be what eases things for some people, or the only thing that does, so the placebo argument isn't conclusive to the point I think you're making. " You're absolutely right : you can never know for sure. I can't agree more with that. And their need to do that would be attention seeking mostly i would say. And well both actually, some people could be lying about their condition. When some can be conviced they have a conditions whne there' not, and it has been provenant by expert that they have no condition. Well in my opinion the placebo experience is more to show that the mind can be a wonderful thing, and so it can makes some people feel like they're suffering from depression when it's just a low day. But yeah i agree tho "medicine is not the only option for recovery", my mom's a psychatric nurse and she believes in arts that can heal/help a lot of people suffering of mental Illness. | |||
"I would like to hear if people view alcoholism as a mental health disability? I ask this out of my personal experience and would like your views "Addictions are difficult on this. Personally, I do class them as a mental health disability but only once it has a long term affect will most say that it is a disability. Alcohol nurses and psychotherapists I know certainly talk about it as a disability. | |||
"I work in mental health. Any mental illness be it depression, anxiety, psychosis...is a disability. It's an illness just as is cancer, diabetes etc. The brain is an organ and if you have a chemical inbalance sadly you are unwell and can debilitating effects " | |||
"Ok. I dont usually go into how my depression affects me cause some of it is embarressing but here goes (by the way i have type 1 bipolar) Cant open my eyes , cant speak. Dont want to see anyone. If i can get downstairs i just sit no music or television. Hours can dissappear without me knowing. I wont cook. My mum has to come sit with me. (This is the embarressing thing) i cant wash or shower or do my housework. If i have to move to go to the toilet i can have a major panic attack. I just want to curl up and die. If its really bad i go into a catotonic state and will be in bed for days not knowing the time or day halfway between conscious and unconscious. Thats what its like for me" I can relate to this | |||
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"I would like to hear if people view alcoholism as a mental health disability? I ask this out of my personal experience and would like your views
Problem drinking that becomes severe is given the medical diagnosis of “alcohol use disorder” or AUD. AUD is a chronic relapsing brain disease characterized by compulsive alcohol use, loss of control over alcohol intake, and a negative emotional state when not using. This is DSM V classification.
Alcoholism has been classified as a substance abuse disorder in previous incarnations of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-III). Mental and emotional symptoms of alcoholism exist long before the grave physical complications of the disease appear.
So a combination mental and physical impairments and again a spectrum of severity. "Feck me estella....all them initials have baffled me...I need a bloody drink  | |||
"I would like to hear if people view alcoholism as a mental health disability? I ask this out of my personal experience and would like your views
Problem drinking that becomes severe is given the medical diagnosis of “alcohol use disorder” or AUD. AUD is a chronic relapsing brain disease characterized by compulsive alcohol use, loss of control over alcohol intake, and a negative emotional state when not using. This is DSM V classification.
Alcoholism has been classified as a substance abuse disorder in previous incarnations of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-III). Mental and emotional symptoms of alcoholism exist long before the grave physical complications of the disease appear.
So a combination mental and physical impairments and again a spectrum of severity.
Feck me estella....all them initials have baffled me...I need a bloody drink "There is a questionnaire (Alcohol Use Disorders Identification Test - AUDIT) you complete and it gives an indication of how far along the spectrum you are. You can take on online test that gives you an indication about whether you need to seek some help. Look at Dontbottleitup and see what it says about your drinking patterns. | |||
"I would like to hear if people view alcoholism as a mental health disability? I ask this out of my personal experience and would like your views
Addictions are difficult on this. Personally, I do class them as a mental health disability but only once it has a long term affect will most say that it is a disability. Alcohol nurses and psychotherapists I know certainly talk about it as a disability.
"Yes even people who I know who were suffering with it had different views...I myself being one at the time always said it was self inflicted. ...you will be pleased to hear I know no longer think that way. ..but at the time it was the best way to deal with it | |||
"I would like to hear if people view alcoholism as a mental health disability? I ask this out of my personal experience and would like your views
Problem drinking that becomes severe is given the medical diagnosis of “alcohol use disorder” or AUD. AUD is a chronic relapsing brain disease characterized by compulsive alcohol use, loss of control over alcohol intake, and a negative emotional state when not using. This is DSM V classification.
Alcoholism has been classified as a substance abuse disorder in previous incarnations of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-III). Mental and emotional symptoms of alcoholism exist long before the grave physical complications of the disease appear.
So a combination mental and physical impairments and again a spectrum of severity.
Feck me estella....all them initials have baffled me...I need a bloody drink
There is a questionnaire (Alcohol Use Disorders Identification Test - AUDIT) you complete and it gives an indication of how far along the spectrum you are.
You can take on online test that gives you an indication about whether you need to seek some help. Look at Dontbottleitup and see what it says about your drinking patterns.
"I have long since given it up | |||
"I would like to hear if people view alcoholism as a mental health disability? I ask this out of my personal experience and would like your views
Addictions are difficult on this. Personally, I do class them as a mental health disability but only once it has a long term affect will most say that it is a disability. Alcohol nurses and psychotherapists I know certainly talk about it as a disability.
Yes even people who I know who were suffering with it had different views...I myself being one at the time always said it was self inflicted. ...you will be pleased to hear I know no longer think that way. ..but at the time it was the best way to deal with it "I was teetotal for nearly 20 years as I had seen the effects of alcohol on people close to me and knew I was susceptible to falling down that rabbit hole, especially as I started to drink at home alone after a hard day at work. Being bonkers and drinking had the potential to really fuck up my life. I stopped before I couldn't turn back. People don't always understand or appreciate my rules for myself but they keep me safe and functioning. | |||
"I would like to hear if people view alcoholism as a mental health disability? I ask this out of my personal experience and would like your views
Problem drinking that becomes severe is given the medical diagnosis of “alcohol use disorder” or AUD. AUD is a chronic relapsing brain disease characterized by compulsive alcohol use, loss of control over alcohol intake, and a negative emotional state when not using. This is DSM V classification.
Alcoholism has been classified as a substance abuse disorder in previous incarnations of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-III). Mental and emotional symptoms of alcoholism exist long before the grave physical complications of the disease appear.
So a combination mental and physical impairments and again a spectrum of severity.
Feck me estella....all them initials have baffled me...I need a bloody drink
There is a questionnaire (Alcohol Use Disorders Identification Test - AUDIT) you complete and it gives an indication of how far along the spectrum you are.
You can take on online test that gives you an indication about whether you need to seek some help. Look at Dontbottleitup and see what it says about your drinking patterns.
I have long since given it up "And continuing to do so every day when it used to be an issue is admirable. | |||
"I would like to hear if people view alcoholism as a mental health disability? I ask this out of my personal experience and would like your views
Addictions are difficult on this. Personally, I do class them as a mental health disability but only once it has a long term affect will most say that it is a disability. Alcohol nurses and psychotherapists I know certainly talk about it as a disability.
Yes even people who I know who were suffering with it had different views...I myself being one at the time always said it was self inflicted. ...you will be pleased to hear I know no longer think that way. ..but at the time it was the best way to deal with it
I was teetotal for nearly 20 years as I had seen the effects of alcohol on people close to me and knew I was susceptible to falling down that rabbit hole, especially as I started to drink at home alone after a hard day at work. Being bonkers and drinking had the potential to really fuck up my life. I stopped before I couldn't turn back.
People don't always understand or appreciate my rules for myself but they keep me safe and functioning.
"Yes, it's interesting how people like to advise or tell people how they should handle things. The act of providing a "menu of choice" by showing options is one thing (but caveated by if the person asks for ideas), assuming you've the answer for everyone or feeling you should jump in and tell people is misguided at best, arrogant and insulting at worst. | |||
"Anyone can be "depressed" if they're good at acting. To me depression's not a disability." That's cos you lack understanding of the condition. | |||
"I would like to hear if people view alcoholism as a mental health disability? I ask this out of my personal experience and would like your views
Addictions are difficult on this. Personally, I do class them as a mental health disability but only once it has a long term affect will most say that it is a disability. Alcohol nurses and psychotherapists I know certainly talk about it as a disability.
Yes even people who I know who were suffering with it had different views...I myself being one at the time always said it was self inflicted. ...you will be pleased to hear I know no longer think that way. ..but at the time it was the best way to deal with it
I was teetotal for nearly 20 years as I had seen the effects of alcohol on people close to me and knew I was susceptible to falling down that rabbit hole, especially as I started to drink at home alone after a hard day at work. Being bonkers and drinking had the potential to really fuck up my life. I stopped before I couldn't turn back.
People don't always understand or appreciate my rules for myself but they keep me safe and functioning.
"At the time I took all the help that was available...you will know most of the avenues....but I came across someone along the way who was a very big help to me...one of the things she told me went against all the normal rules but it has enabled me to go for a meal and drink the occasional shandy when out. Her words were if your ever to drink again...it's OK if you are a conscience drinker and you know your limit...but be aware of this all the time. Seems to have worked for me | |||
"Anyone can be "depressed" if they're good at acting. To me depression's not a disability." I'm a pretty good actor. But why would anybody want to do this? | |||
"Anyone can be "depressed" if they're good at acting. To me depression's not a disability. I'm a pretty good actor. But why would anybody want to do this? " Actor. I think you should consider yourself lucky here. Talk about what you actually know about. ( deep breath) | |||
"I work in mental health. Any mental illness be it depression, anxiety, psychosis...is a disability. It's an illness just as is cancer, diabetes etc. The brain is an organ and if you have a chemical inbalance sadly you are unwell and can debilitating effects " | |||
"Anyone can be "depressed" if they're good at acting. To me depression's not a disability." You could say the same about a bad back (the number tone cause efor disability iirc). Heck given there's no definitive tests for it you can say the same about ME | |||
"I work in mental health. Any mental illness be it depression, anxiety, psychosis...is a disability. It's an illness just as is cancer, diabetes etc. The brain is an organ and if you have a chemical inbalance sadly you are unwell and can debilitating effects " Not necessarily true, depression is not a mental illness as such | |||
"I work in mental health. Any mental illness be it depression, anxiety, psychosis...is a disability. It's an illness just as is cancer, diabetes etc. The brain is an organ and if you have a chemical inbalance sadly you are unwell and can debilitating effects Not necessarily true, depression is not a mental illness as such " *awaits terribly thought out symantic argument to back up this statement* | |||
"I work in mental health. Any mental illness be it depression, anxiety, psychosis...is a disability. It's an illness just as is cancer, diabetes etc. The brain is an organ and if you have a chemical inbalance sadly you are unwell and can debilitating effects " Sorry but what of work in mental health are you involved? CPN ? PN? Rehab? Pshyc? Chams? Peads? | |||
"I work in mental health. Any mental illness be it depression, anxiety, psychosis...is a disability. It's an illness just as is cancer, diabetes etc. The brain is an organ and if you have a chemical inbalance sadly you are unwell and can debilitating effects Sorry but what of work in mental health are you involved? CPN ? PN? Rehab? Pshyc? Chams? Peads?" *field of work | |||
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"I work in mental health. Any mental illness be it depression, anxiety, psychosis...is a disability. It's an illness just as is cancer, diabetes etc. The brain is an organ and if you have a chemical inbalance sadly you are unwell and can debilitating effects Not necessarily true, depression is not a mental illness as such *awaits terribly thought out symantic argument to back up this statement*" I can debate, I don't argue! And why 'terribly'? | |||
"I work in mental health. Any mental illness be it depression, anxiety, psychosis...is a disability. It's an illness just as is cancer, diabetes etc. The brain is an organ and if you have a chemical inbalance sadly you are unwell and can debilitating effects Not necessarily true, depression is not a mental illness as such *awaits terribly thought out symantic argument to back up this statement* I can debate, I don't argue! And why 'terribly'?" An argument does not mean your arguing. It's just the correct noun for your collection of reasons in a debate. "Present your arguments" as it were. And terribly because it's going to depend on symantics I'm sure. But go on then, I'll bite; Why is depression not a mental illness. | |||
"I work in mental health. Any mental illness be it depression, anxiety, psychosis...is a disability. It's an illness just as is cancer, diabetes etc. The brain is an organ and if you have a chemical inbalance sadly you are unwell and can debilitating effects Not necessarily true, depression is not a mental illness as such *awaits terribly thought out symantic argument to back up this statement* I can debate, I don't argue! And why 'terribly'?" Clinical depression yes ! But there's a huge difference in clinical depression and depression | |||
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"I work in mental health. Any mental illness be it depression, anxiety, psychosis...is a disability. It's an illness just as is cancer, diabetes etc. The brain is an organ and if you have a chemical inbalance sadly you are unwell and can debilitating effects Not necessarily true, depression is not a mental illness as such *awaits terribly thought out symantic argument to back up this statement* I can debate, I don't argue! And why 'terribly'? An argument does not mean your arguing. It's just the correct noun for your collection of reasons in a debate. "Present your arguments" as it were. And terribly because it's going to depend on symantics I'm sure. But go on then, I'll bite; Why is depression not a mental illness. " Please don't have an attitude as your talking to the converted. Yet I see both sides daily ! | |||
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"There we go." There we go what? You said depression was a clinical illness, which in itself it's not! Depression has so many sub branches, as I said previous. Your feeling low as you've lost your job your partner left you, your a bit depressed! That's not clinical depression | |||
"There we go. There we go what? You said depression was a clinical illness, which in itself it's not! Depression has so many sub branches, as I said previous. Your feeling low as you've lost your job your partner left you, your a bit depressed! That's not clinical depression " That's environmental and subjective depression which can easily/with support be changed. Clinical depression involves a chemical imbalance in the brain (usually serotonin) | |||
"I work in mental health. Any mental illness be it depression, anxiety, psychosis...is a disability. It's an illness just as is cancer, diabetes etc. The brain is an organ and if you have a chemical inbalance sadly you are unwell and can debilitating effects Not necessarily true, depression is not a mental illness as such *awaits terribly thought out symantic argument to back up this statement* I can debate, I don't argue! And why 'terribly'? Clinical depression yes ! But there's a huge difference in clinical depression and depression " If you read down the thread the poster clarifies exactly this point, so it's all moot confrontation. | |||
"There we go. There we go what? You said depression was a clinical illness, which in itself it's not! Depression has so many sub branches, as I said previous. Your feeling low as you've lost your job your partner left you, your a bit depressed! That's not clinical depression " See that's a semantic argument. Depression (especially in the context the poster you quoted, who isn't me by the way as you seem confused) is a medical condition. Describing your sadness as depression doesn't change the fact depression is a mental illness it just makes you a hypochondriac. But all in all its a rather silly debate you've added nothing of any merit beyond showing you're incapable of the common sense to tell when somone is using a word in its correct medical sense and in a hyperbolic sense. So yup terribly reasoned symantic argument | |||
"There we go. There we go what? You said depression was a clinical illness, which in itself it's not! Depression has so many sub branches, as I said previous. Your feeling low as you've lost your job your partner left you, your a bit depressed! That's not clinical depression See that's a semantic argument. Depression (especially in the context the poster you quoted, who isn't me by the way as you seem confused) is a medical condition. Describing your sadness as depression doesn't change the fact depression is a mental illness it just makes you a hypochondriac. But all in all its a rather silly debate you've added nothing of any merit beyond showing you're incapable of the common sense to tell when somone is using a word in its correct medical sense and in a hyperbolic sense. So yup terribly reasoned symantic argument " Why do you insist on talking as though you are a university lecturer? But aside from that my degree counted for nothing and I'll leave my grown up work for day times and if you wish to PM please do but as you've just insulted me and said I've no common sense, don't expect an answer. | |||
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"I know I'm ignoring all the post but just to answer the original post the legal definition of disability under the Equality Act 2010 is "a physical or mental impairment that has a 'substantial' and 'long-term' negative effect on your ability to do normal daily activities" which if yo take out the 'substantial' and 'long-term' is pretty much the dictionary definition. in my opinion anything whether it is physical or mental that restricts your life in any way is a disability." Yes that's clinical but depression can be used loosely. | |||
"I know I'm ignoring all the post but just to answer the original post the legal definition of disability under the Equality Act 2010 is "a physical or mental impairment that has a 'substantial' and 'long-term' negative effect on your ability to do normal daily activities" which if yo take out the 'substantial' and 'long-term' is pretty much the dictionary definition. in my opinion anything whether it is physical or mental that restricts your life in any way is a disability. Yes that's clinical but depression can be used loosely. " The word depression can be, yes -- it can be as much a symptom or a descriptor as an illness and depression is on a spectrum of severity. But that's exactly the point the other poster was making -- that's a semantic argument. And the point re clinical depression requiring firm diagnosis has been covered in the thread. And clarified in conjunction with the poster who's first post on the thread was the one you were replying to. | |||
"I know I'm ignoring all the post but just to answer the original post the legal definition of disability under the Equality Act 2010 is "a physical or mental impairment that has a 'substantial' and 'long-term' negative effect on your ability to do normal daily activities" which if yo take out the 'substantial' and 'long-term' is pretty much the dictionary definition. in my opinion anything whether it is physical or mental that restricts your life in any way is a disability. Yes that's clinical but depression can be used loosely. The word depression can be, yes -- it can be as much a symptom or a descriptor as an illness and depression is on a spectrum of severity. But that's exactly the point the other poster was making -- that's a semantic argument. And the point re clinical depression requiring firm diagnosis has been covered in the thread. And clarified in conjunction with the poster who's first post on the thread was the one you were replying to. " I haven't read the full thread, which maybe that's why I'm misunderstood, I will do that now. Apologies | |||
"I know I'm ignoring all the post but just to answer the original post the legal definition of disability under the Equality Act 2010 is "a physical or mental impairment that has a 'substantial' and 'long-term' negative effect on your ability to do normal daily activities" which if yo take out the 'substantial' and 'long-term' is pretty much the dictionary definition. in my opinion anything whether it is physical or mental that restricts your life in any way is a disability. Yes that's clinical but depression can be used loosely. The word depression can be, yes -- it can be as much a symptom or a descriptor as an illness and depression is on a spectrum of severity. But that's exactly the point the other poster was making -- that's a semantic argument. And the point re clinical depression requiring firm diagnosis has been covered in the thread. And clarified in conjunction with the poster who's first post on the thread was the one you were replying to. I haven't read the full thread, which maybe that's why I'm misunderstood, I will do that now. Apologies " I'm not misunderstanding you. I understand your point, also being someone qualified to talk about this field. | |||
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"I know I'm ignoring all the post but just to answer the original post the legal definition of disability under the Equality Act 2010 is "a physical or mental impairment that has a 'substantial' and 'long-term' negative effect on your ability to do normal daily activities" which if yo take out the 'substantial' and 'long-term' is pretty much the dictionary definition. in my opinion anything whether it is physical or mental that restricts your life in any way is a disability. Yes that's clinical but depression can be used loosely. " it's all a matter of severity the problem is it's an invisible condition so there is always going to be disagreement about its affects. any discussion about it will always provoke the good old 'yes but' response everyone will have a slightly different view on it that's why I made sure I said 'in my opinion' lol | |||
"I know I'm ignoring all the post but just to answer the original post the legal definition of disability under the Equality Act 2010 is "a physical or mental impairment that has a 'substantial' and 'long-term' negative effect on your ability to do normal daily activities" which if yo take out the 'substantial' and 'long-term' is pretty much the dictionary definition. in my opinion anything whether it is physical or mental that restricts your life in any way is a disability. Yes that's clinical but depression can be used loosely. The word depression can be, yes -- it can be as much a symptom or a descriptor as an illness and depression is on a spectrum of severity. But that's exactly the point the other poster was making -- that's a semantic argument. And the point re clinical depression requiring firm diagnosis has been covered in the thread. And clarified in conjunction with the poster who's first post on the thread was the one you were replying to. " I've just read the OP. And I will reiterate what I've already said, being depressed and a bit low at times is not a clinical illness it's not a chemical imbalance. It does not need you to disclose on any official form. Where as if you have a clinical depression then this would be different. I'm not saying one is less than the other, however one is more severe in its symptoms than causes and one can easily go away untreated however it's unlikely the other will | |||
"I know I'm ignoring all the post but just to answer the original post the legal definition of disability under the Equality Act 2010 is "a physical or mental impairment that has a 'substantial' and 'long-term' negative effect on your ability to do normal daily activities" which if yo take out the 'substantial' and 'long-term' is pretty much the dictionary definition. in my opinion anything whether it is physical or mental that restricts your life in any way is a disability. Yes that's clinical but depression can be used loosely. The word depression can be, yes -- it can be as much a symptom or a descriptor as an illness and depression is on a spectrum of severity. But that's exactly the point the other poster was making -- that's a semantic argument. And the point re clinical depression requiring firm diagnosis has been covered in the thread. And clarified in conjunction with the poster who's first post on the thread was the one you were replying to. I've just read the OP. And I will reiterate what I've already said, being depressed and a bit low at times is not a clinical illness it's not a chemical imbalance. It does not need you to disclose on any official form. Where as if you have a clinical depression then this would be different. I'm not saying one is less than the other, however one is more severe in its symptoms than causes and one can easily go away untreated however it's unlikely the other will" Actually whether clinically depressed or suffering from a less severe form or even an as yet undiagnosed form of depression there is never a *need* (as in requirement) to disclose. And if suffering from any aspect of depression (again, the full gamut) if the potential employee feels they'd like to disclose then they can. As Lickety said in her post, the employer will likely then discuss further with potential OH support to assess if any support at work is needed. As the OP went on to say there's the option to tick disability and a further option to tick registered disabled. The ticking of disability even if not suffering a clinically diagnosed depression is as a starting point for discussing the condition that affects that individual in the context of how to ensure they can discharge their work. The original OP query was is depression a disability? The answer -- it can be, hence why it is on the form. The practicalities of whether to individually tick, totally depend on whether the person wants further formal dialogue with an employer as to how they feel potentially affected by their, let's call it 'situation' for argument's sake, in the context of work. | |||
"There we go. There we go what? You said depression was a clinical illness, which in itself it's not! Depression has so many sub branches, as I said previous. Your feeling low as you've lost your job your partner left you, your a bit depressed! That's not clinical depression See that's a semantic argument. Depression (especially in the context the poster you quoted, who isn't me by the way as you seem confused) is a medical condition. Describing your sadness as depression doesn't change the fact depression is a mental illness it just makes you a hypochondriac. But all in all its a rather silly debate you've added nothing of any merit beyond showing you're incapable of the common sense to tell when somone is using a word in its correct medical sense and in a hyperbolic sense. So yup terribly reasoned symantic argument Why do you insist on talking as though you are a university lecturer? But aside from that my degree counted for nothing and I'll leave my grown up work for day times and if you wish to PM please do but as you've just insulted me and said I've no common sense, don't expect an answer. " I don't I know no lecturer who's as sarcastic as me (perhaps I'd have paid attention more). But it doesn't change anything people misusing a medical word doesn't suddenly stop something being an illness. | |||
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"Ive always thought of them as being disabilities mainly because i get disabled bus pass and disabled railcard. Hidden disabilities. A disability doesnt have to be physical Oh I know, I've just never viewed my mental health issues as a disability - even though they can be disabling. I have dyspraxia, and likewise I've never looked at that as a disability.will you be getting support for them at your new job. I think I will if I need it
I ticked the disabled box but not the registered as disabled box. If I'm asked by a manager I'll just explain as much as I can.yes there is a difference of whether your registered or not. Im registered as severely disabled thats why i can get passes and such
Ahhh. I've never looked at being registered because my mental health issues are now relatively mild and I cope well 99% of the time. And I just look at my dyspraxia as quirks that I've found ways to deal with over the years."I was told there was no such thing as being registered disabled any more when I was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia in 2007. I do have a disabled bus pass which I had to get through my doctor as I don't get a mobility component for PIP. I'm one of the very lucky ones | |||
"Anyone can be "depressed" if they're good at acting. To me depression's not a disability. I'm a pretty good actor. But why would anybody want to do this? Actor. I think you should consider yourself lucky here. Talk about what you actually know about. ( deep breath)" What the hell are you on about? | |||
"I know I'm ignoring all the post but just to answer the original post the legal definition of disability under the Equality Act 2010 is "a physical or mental impairment that has a 'substantial' and 'long-term' negative effect on your ability to do normal daily activities" which if yo take out the 'substantial' and 'long-term' is pretty much the dictionary definition. in my opinion anything whether it is physical or mental that restricts your life in any way is a disability. Yes that's clinical but depression can be used loosely. The word depression can be, yes -- it can be as much a symptom or a descriptor as an illness and depression is on a spectrum of severity. But that's exactly the point the other poster was making -- that's a semantic argument. And the point re clinical depression requiring firm diagnosis has been covered in the thread. And clarified in conjunction with the poster who's first post on the thread was the one you were replying to. I've just read the OP. And I will reiterate what I've already said, being depressed and a bit low at times is not a clinical illness it's not a chemical imbalance. It does not need you to disclose on any official form. Where as if you have a clinical depression then this would be different. I'm not saying one is less than the other, however one is more severe in its symptoms than causes and one can easily go away untreated however it's unlikely the other will" Who are you to say it's not a chemical imbalance? It could be a chemical imbalance that corrects itself. It could be a chemical imbalance that continues and becomes clinical depression and needs help of anti depressants and/or talking therapies. There are other therapies that help treat it too such as sleep hygiene, exercise and nutrition. | |||
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"I'm soon to start a new job *excited giddiness* and as I was filling out the Equal Opportunities form I noticed that depression was counted as a disability, and while doing my disability awareness training this morning, depression and other mental illnesses were counted as disabilities too, and I've never thought of poor mental health as being a disability before. Thoughts? Would this help stigmas about both mental illnesses and disability?" I don't think depression should be classed as a disability unless it's long term.The majority of us on this forum would have suffered depression at some time in their life.....I have.From my experiences of caring for someone with mental health I would say it is definitely a disability.There is no cure it can only be controlled by the correct medication.For what it's worth my partner suffers from Auditory Hallucinations etc etc.She hears voices everyday and has done for the last 10 yrs.She isn't in control of her own mind.Just my opinion obviously ppl will differ. | |||
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"Anyone can be "depressed" if they're good at acting. To me depression's not a disability. People are hospitalised for depression. It is a disability. Sadly other people's incorrect views make situations worse " | |||
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"panic attacks at 22, unable to leave house for 2 years without a drink in me, 15 years self harm, 10 years now on n off tabs and about to lose my my job for time taken off, scared is what I am, never knew it was classed as a disability til I saw this thread. just the one comment about acting made me crumble " It sounds to me that you'd be classed as disabled under the Equality of Act. There is help out there. | |||
"panic attacks at 22, unable to leave house for 2 years without a drink in me, 15 years self harm, 10 years now on n off tabs and about to lose my my job for time taken off, scared is what I am, never knew it was classed as a disability til I saw this thread. just the one comment about acting made me crumble " Don't let that comment make you crumble, please don't. It was ill-informed by the poster and was challenged. Please ensure you get support if you are not already accessing any. Things can change. Things can be better than they are. And the fear of trying to maintain normality and hold onto a job when you are not well is part of the problem. You are unwell, you need support and time to get this addressed. Sometimes life throws you curveballs to get you out of situations you should be out of. Perhaps losing a job may actually be the door opening elsewhere to get support and start a recovery and then onwards. (((hugs))) | |||
"I'm soon to start a new job *excited giddiness* and as I was filling out the Equal Opportunities form I noticed that depression was counted as a disability, and while doing my disability awareness training this morning, depression and other mental illnesses were counted as disabilities too, and I've never thought of poor mental health as being a disability before. Thoughts? Would this help stigmas about both mental illnesses and disability?" I think it's great to see it listed as a disability. Mental illness is invisible and unless you have personal experiences with it it's difficult to understand. Most people with depression hide it behind closed doors, simple steps like this help raise awareness & understanding. If anyone here is suffering from depression or anxiety and would like someone to talk to feel free to message me, It can often be much easier to speak with a stranger. | |||
"panic attacks at 22, unable to leave house for 2 years without a drink in me, 15 years self harm, 10 years now on n off tabs and about to lose my my job for time taken off, scared is what I am, never knew it was classed as a disability til I saw this thread. just the one comment about acting made me crumble Don't let that comment make you crumble, please don't. It was ill-informed by the poster and was challenged. Please ensure you get support if you are not already accessing any. Things can change. Things can be better than they are. And the fear of trying to maintain normality and hold onto a job when you are not well is part of the problem. You are unwell, you need support and time to get this addressed. Sometimes life throws you curveballs to get you out of situations you should be out of. Perhaps losing a job may actually be the door opening elsewhere to get support and start a recovery and then onwards. (((hugs))) " | |||
"panic attacks at 22, unable to leave house for 2 years without a drink in me, 15 years self harm, 10 years now on n off tabs and about to lose my my job for time taken off, scared is what I am, never knew it was classed as a disability til I saw this thread. just the one comment about acting made me crumble Don't let that comment make you crumble, please don't. It was ill-informed by the poster and was challenged. Please ensure you get support if you are not already accessing any. Things can change. Things can be better than they are. And the fear of trying to maintain normality and hold onto a job when you are not well is part of the problem. You are unwell, you need support and time to get this addressed. Sometimes life throws you curveballs to get you out of situations you should be out of. Perhaps losing a job may actually be the door opening elsewhere to get support and start a recovery and then onwards. (((hugs))) " You have articulated throughout this thread using knowledge and with compassion. I imagine you have great skills and experience. A credit to the service you work for. | |||
"panic attacks at 22, unable to leave house for 2 years without a drink in me, 15 years self harm, 10 years now on n off tabs and about to lose my my job for time taken off, scared is what I am, never knew it was classed as a disability til I saw this thread. just the one comment about acting made me crumble Don't let that comment make you crumble, please don't. It was ill-informed by the poster and was challenged. Please ensure you get support if you are not already accessing any. Things can change. Things can be better than they are. And the fear of trying to maintain normality and hold onto a job when you are not well is part of the problem. You are unwell, you need support and time to get this addressed. Sometimes life throws you curveballs to get you out of situations you should be out of. Perhaps losing a job may actually be the door opening elsewhere to get support and start a recovery and then onwards. (((hugs))) " thank you, really does help xxx | |||
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