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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Anyone see that programme on bbc3 the other night about poor kids?
I only watched it on catch up last night and its really made me see how some people live and what some kids go through in their childhood,
I never seen 'poverty' like that growing up (except in the news in Africa etc) and I cant believe in this day and age that children have to live the way they do.
I know people on benifits who do struggle day to day, but never have I seen their children saying that they 'save up their hunger till tea time' because they dont have any lunch. And to see the kids living in filth, one house looked like a squat, is just unbelievable. It doesnt cost much or take much to be clean, and I'm sure it cant take much to give kids at least three square meals a day either.
Sorry for putting a bit of a downer on a friday afternoon, its just been in my mind and wondered what other's opinions are? |
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can't take much??? You ever been so down you felt you could go no further. If you ever do you will learn just how much srength of character and determination it takes just to sort out the basics. |
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"can't take much??? You ever been so down you felt you could go no further. If you ever do you will learn just how much srength of character and determination it takes just to sort out the basics."
Thankfully I havent, but surely having kids and seeing them dirty/unfed etc would be enough for anybody to at least have some sort of determination to make sure their kids are clean and nourished?
I know the programme will have shown it in the worst possible light, though I still dont see the need for kids to carry that kind of weight and pressure of not knowing if they are going to eat tonight or not etc. |
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Have experienced children living in deplorable conditions on a really rough estate and have notified social services.
Have also had to do the same for another child with what looked like caning marks on the legs in an 8 bedroomed house on a pretty well to do avenue.
Tried not to jump to conclusions but had to involve social services, in the first instance the issue was sorted with a multi agency approach. With the second the CPS took over.
We live in a society where such things are sadly common place and whilst the reasons are often complicated there is help out there.
Ignorance is no excuse, families and the wider community also have a responsibility.
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Im assuming this programme was in england as ididnt see it.
There are millions of people on benefits that are not cheating the system that have well cared for, clean children and homes.
Sadly generation from generation will always breed the scum that drink/smoke any pittance they get. Also its hard to stand a lone person while others choose to live in squaller, cause that is what they do.
We need to set up educaton programmes to stop it going from generaton to generation |
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"can't take much??? You ever been so down you felt you could go no further. If you ever do you will learn just how much srength of character and determination it takes just to sort out the basics.
Thankfully I havent, but surely having kids and seeing them dirty/unfed etc would be enough for anybody to at least have some sort of determination to make sure their kids are clean and nourished?
I know the programme will have shown it in the worst possible light, though I still dont see the need for kids to carry that kind of weight and pressure of not knowing if they are going to eat tonight or not etc."
of course there is no need. people who are in this rut are completely despondant and apathetic to the point that they really don't see much at all.
what needs to be addressed is how they got to this point, prevention is always better than cure. |
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Child trafficking into this country is rife and most of it is for the sex trade.
Fecking 'normal' blokes are using child prostitutes against their will and then going home to cuddle their wives and kids.
Anyone involved in running this should be sent down for 20 years and no parole, any 'punters' should get a straight 5 years again no parole.
makes me very angry..  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The parents can all afford to smoke and drink and how many on that estate had staffies/dogs though instead of putting food on the table. Priorities all wrong. Was on benefits for a short time a year when my second child was first born and neither mine went without granted not proud had second hand clothes or charity shops but was always clean and well presented. It dont take much to make a stew or mince and tatties. |
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over a year ago
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Its probably one of the only things that gets me REALLY wound up, when kids childhoods are full of doom and gloom. I can fully understand that some people find it hard to pull themselves out of the 'rut' they are in, but how my couples who cant have children would have watched that programme through teared eyes? seems there is a 'trend' for people to have kids when they have no real time for them (poor and rich alike) using their kids as meal tickets/status symbols, and these people would happily continue breeding, creating a generation of people who's lives are mostly (not all) going to be an uphill struggle.
God only knows what will happen to these poorer kids when benifits are cut because the parent is too lazy to work (that doesnt go for everybody on benifits before I get my arse smacked!) or when they are found to be 'fit' for work and indeed not as disabled asthey once thought! |
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Suppose thats just the turn of phrase used to describe those who are less well off.
Totally different world around wartime though eh, seemed to be a far better community spirit and people looked out for and helped each other more, where as in todays world its more about greed and mine mine mine attitude. Also family values and respect seemed to be more common place back then too, I'm 'old school' in that way, was brought up with the importance of respect, simple things like manners, holding a door open for a lady, respecting elders etc, its not often you see that these days! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Why poor we are not a third world country though whatever happened before benefits or during the war or after people survived."
were heading that way with all the silly cuts an the rise of products
wont be able to afford it |
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I have worked with young children in neglecfulfamilies annd it is heartbreaking. Some of these parents are doing there very best to get out of the rut they are in and provide a better life forthem quite often going without many of the basics themselves just to feed there kids.
However there are also the ones that do smoke and drink, sometimes taking drugs which for them comes before the welfare of their children.
It is right that these children do need educating before they end up in the same situation but at the moment in many cases this is just not happening. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Suppose thats just the turn of phrase used to describe those who are less well off.
Totally different world around wartime though eh, seemed to be a far better community spirit and people looked out for and helped each other more, where as in todays world its more about greed and mine mine mine attitude. Also family values and respect seemed to be more common place back then too, I'm 'old school' in that way, was brought up with the importance of respect, simple things like manners, holding a door open for a lady, respecting elders etc, its not often you see that these days!"
No you dont but as a single parent I am bringing my girls up old school with values, respect and morals and I work hard. Someone to look up to. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Suppose thats just the turn of phrase used to describe those who are less well off.
Totally different world around wartime though eh, seemed to be a far better community spirit and people looked out for and helped each other more, where as in todays world its more about greed and mine mine mine attitude. Also family values and respect seemed to be more common place back then too, I'm 'old school' in that way, was brought up with the importance of respect, simple things like manners, holding a door open for a lady, respecting elders etc, its not often you see that these days!
No you dont but as a single parent I am bringing my girls up old school with values, respect and morals and I work hard. Someone to look up to."
And thats exactly the way I hope to be when I have kids  |
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"I have worked with young children in neglecfulfamilies annd it is heartbreaking. Some of these parents are doing there very best to get out of the rut they are in and provide a better life forthem quite often going without many of the basics themselves just to feed there kids.
However there are also the ones that do smoke and drink, sometimes taking drugs which for them comes before the welfare of their children.
It is right that these children do need educating before they end up in the same situation but at the moment in many cases this is just not happening."
I totally agree, I know some parents who would walk around with holes in their shoes just to give their kids a decent meal and a good wash! |
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We moved to Warwickshire with my dads job in the mid 1960's. I remember my mother weeping and asking why he had brought us there. It was pretty poverty stricken and industrialised where we were housed and my mother hadn't witnessed this in Durham where she was from.
There were 8 children in the house next door and 13 next door to them! I never realised it at the time but they were living in absolute squalor, yet we had some of the happiest most neighbourly times of our lives.
They were kind people and would share what they had and my mum passed mine and my brother and sisters clothes to them, as did all of the families along the road to help out. Another family once had visitors coming and my mum lent them bed linen as they didnt have any.
Big events were when one of the boys next door won a univeristy place studying Latin and Russian and there was a massive party. Education was valued - we were all lucky enough to go to grammar schools. If one of the girls got married everyone was invited to the church hall wedding reception and everyone contributed.
It all seems so unreal for men of your age to hear these anecdotes from others who are not that much older tha you but thats how it was and we were on the whole very happy to live in a poorer community. |
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Oops what I meant to say was that in my eyes a lot of children these days squander their education simply because they are lazy and too spoiled to study. They have everythign at their feet to learn to make themselves more educated and in my day it was because of poverty everyone aspired to better themselves. It was considered a time for celebration if someone got a school leavers apprenticeship and you were really bettering yourself if you got a job in a department store if you weren't that well educated.
Some people nowadays think the bottom rung is beneath them but benefits aren't. They want it all now, handed on a plate and that is so sad in my eyes |
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