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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Just curious what are peoples views are on pitbulls ?i have a cross breed pit bull so just wanted to know if people class them still as fighting dogs not household pets |
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"Just curious what are peoples views are on pitbulls ?i have a cross breed pit bull so just wanted to know if people class them still as fighting dogs not household pets "
What's your opinion OP? Have you done plenty of research?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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That's exactly what i think my dog is 5 years old and i have never had a problem he's brilliant with my 2 year old son obviously i wouldn't leave them alone but i would do the same for any other dog |
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over a year ago
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I know a few people who have 'pitbull terriers' but are sane sensible people and the dogs are definitely family pets..
9 times out of 10, when a dog attacks either another dog or a person, its down to the owner not the dog
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I wouldn't tell anyone openly about the pit bull cross. Pits and their crosses are illegal in this country. If you are openly owning one knowing its lineage then you are breaking the law and, should the dog be seized then you would lose a much loved pet and he/she would be destroyed.
The law is an ass sometimes |
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"That's exactly what i think my dog is 5 years old and i have never had a problem he's brilliant with my 2 year old son obviously i wouldn't leave them alone but i would do the same for any other dog"
You know bull terrier breeds used to be known as "Nanny dogs" as they are very protective over children and would look after them so to speak.
It's people that are the issue. Stupid fucking people. |
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Police already knew informed them when i got him but he's not on the dangerous dogs act as they gave him a temperment test and he passed with flying colours |
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As above don't brag about it otherwise you will be sorely disappointed with what the Po Po can do to your dog under than Dangerous Dogs act.
I have always wanted a Dogo Argentino but been unable to bring one in under the current legislation. |
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"I wouldn't tell anyone openly about the pit bull cross. Pits and their crosses are illegal in this country. If you are openly owning one knowing its lineage then you are breaking the law and, should the dog be seized then you would lose a much loved pet and he/she would be destroyed.
The law is an ass sometimes"
Breed specific legislation is ridiculous how a dog can be destroyed due to measurements rather than temperament is beyond me |
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"I wouldn't tell anyone openly about the pit bull cross. Pits and their crosses are illegal in this country. If you are openly owning one knowing its lineage then you are breaking the law and, should the dog be seized then you would lose a much loved pet and he/she would be destroyed.
The law is an ass sometimes
Breed specific legislation is ridiculous how a dog can be destroyed due to measurements rather than temperament is beyond me "
Quite agree. Someone I know had their dog seized. They know his lineage and have had him dna tested and I went to court to vouch for the dogs temperament. They ultimately "won" but the dog must be muzzled when out and about - even in their car. They can never rehome him and if something happens whereby they cannot keep him then he must be destroyed.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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I'm not here bragging about I'm just asking a question not here to argue about it i know my dog has no chance of being put down as the dog wardens have passed him and he is a mixed breed not a full breed there's a big difference. I know one person who had his put down because he did not declare him as long as you declare and you go through the system properly. I have to put a muzzle on him though withc he hates |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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You can legally own a pitbull terrior.
There are certain requirements though.
If out in public the dog HAS to be muzzled with no exceptions.
You as the owner have to have liability insurance for the dog, which I believe is quite high indeed.
You have to register yourself and the dog with the local police.
It must be microchipped. The dog will also go through an temprament test too.
Also, once you own it, you cannot sell the dog. If you no longer want it, it has to be destroyed.
I'm sure there's some other legal obligations too but can't remember them off the top of my head. Which is why very few people legally opt for owning such a dog.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"They're not fighting dogs no dogs are fighting dog. There are however hairless morons that abuse them into fighting"
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No that's not quite true, ownership plays apart but I'm afraid breed also plays apart.
The reason there's so many breed of dogs is because they've all been genetically engineered by humans to do a job.
Now ask yourself what bull terriers and alike were bred for?.
That's not too say that in the right hands there instinct will surface but it's definitely a factor |
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Most aggressive dog breed?
I'll give you a clue, they're twice as long as they are high.
Pit bulls, Staffies etc..it's down to the owners who have them for status |
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I have always had staff bull terriers and always been brilliant even with my kids,the one I have now just licks everyone and she's a big softie!! Its mindless idiots who mistreat these dogs that are to blame not the dog ,any dog can bite !! |
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"They're not fighting dogs no dogs are fighting dog. There are however hairless morons that abuse them into fighting.
No that's not quite true, ownership plays apart but I'm afraid breed also plays apart.
The reason there's so many breed of dogs is because they've all been genetically engineered by humans to do a job.
Now ask yourself what bull terriers and alike were bred for?.
That's not too say that in the right hands there instinct will surface but it's definitely a factor"
Nope not having it. I've had staffs English bulls and yes a pit in my life and all my life and not 1 has ever so much as growled at me or my kids. Obviously your always going to get 1 that might lose the plot but it's rare. What isn't rare is the Salford poodle mentality or more the point some prick acting the big man loving to watch his demented animal rip another dog or person come to that to bits. It's fucking sick.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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what shocks and surprises me...
is that the government are going to use pitbulls in the houses of parliament as a deterrent from terrorists and train to attack to kill
thats all fine and dandy but we are not allowed to keep them, that pisses me off |
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"what shocks and surprises me...
is that the government are going to use pitbulls in the houses of parliament as a deterrent from terrorists and train to attack to kill
thats all fine and dandy but we are not allowed to keep them, that pisses me off"
They should look at GSDs they are amazing at being trained as protection dogs |
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"what shocks and surprises me...
is that the government are going to use pitbulls in the houses of parliament as a deterrent from terrorists and train to attack to kill
thats all fine and dandy but we are not allowed to keep them, that pisses me off
They should look at GSDs they are amazing at being trained as protection dogs "
its ok and fine for them to have them but not you or i |
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By (user no longer on site)
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thats all fine and dandy but we are not allowed to keep them, that pisses me off"
You ARE allowed to keep them legally, the procedure is too long winded and expensive for 99% of people to go through. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"what shocks and surprises me...
is that the government are going to use pitbulls in the houses of parliament as a deterrent from terrorists and train to attack to kill
thats all fine and dandy but we are not allowed to keep them, that pisses me off
They should look at GSDs they are amazing at being trained as protection dogs its ok and fine for them to have them but not you or i"
They also have armed guards.....something we can't have either |
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"I love dogs and have had my two terrorised by a golden lab before.
I believe it is down to the humans when dogs go bad. Unless the dog has a medical condition that affects their behaviour."
spot on there |
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"They're not fighting dogs no dogs are fighting dog. There are however hairless morons that abuse them into fighting.
No that's not quite true, ownership plays apart but I'm afraid breed also plays apart.
The reason there's so many breed of dogs is because they've all been genetically engineered by humans to do a job.
Now ask yourself what bull terriers and alike were bred for?.
That's not too say that in the right hands there instinct will surface but it's definitely a factor
Nope not having it. I've had staffs English bulls and yes a pit in my life and all my life and not 1 has ever so much as growled at me or my kids. Obviously your always going to get 1 that might lose the plot but it's rare. What isn't rare is the Salford poodle mentality or more the point some prick acting the big man loving to watch his demented animal rip another dog or person come to that to bits. It's fucking sick...."
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I agree entirely, I could personally have any breed of dog and there'd be fine but that's because I've got twenty years of dog handling experience.
Breeding is important though and your negating my point by saying I've had three and they've been fine.
Those dogs are bred for aggression purposes,that's why that breed exists, no different than saying huskies can pull sledges better in the artic than poodles, there breed for a task, labradors are bred for swimming with double coats, they don't have a double coat by chance and they aren't good swimmers by chance, they were bred to do a task like all dogs are, to not pay attention to that point is silly.
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Most of the dogs that people in Derby have, (the ones that wander round town with a can of Special Brew in one hand with the dog off the lead) are Staffies. 99% are soft as shit, as others have said, it's what you train your dog to do. |
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Alot of it is the owner and how the dog is trained and brought up (agreed). But.... end of the day these dogs were bread to fight, any dog with the name bull in it must be cautioned, iv owned and been in familys who have had dogs for over 30 years. All bull breeds have shown some kind of aggression and dominance towards my family dogs. Question is would you trust them in an empty room with your children? Ummmmmm....no! They should all be put down!! Anyway it's a swingers/fuck site so where's all the ladies tonight. |
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"They're not fighting dogs no dogs are fighting dog. There are however hairless morons that abuse them into fighting.
No that's not quite true, ownership plays apart but I'm afraid breed also plays apart.
The reason there's so many breed of dogs is because they've all been genetically engineered by humans to do a job.
Now ask yourself what bull terriers and alike were bred for?.
That's not too say that in the right hands there instinct will surface but it's definitely a factor
Nope not having it. I've had staffs English bulls and yes a pit in my life and all my life and not 1 has ever so much as growled at me or my kids. Obviously your always going to get 1 that might lose the plot but it's rare. What isn't rare is the Salford poodle mentality or more the point some prick acting the big man loving to watch his demented animal rip another dog or person come to that to bits. It's fucking sick.....
I agree entirely, I could personally have any breed of dog and there'd be fine but that's because I've got twenty years of dog handling experience.
Breeding is important though and your negating my point by saying I've had three and they've been fine.
Those dogs are bred for aggression purposes,that's why that breed exists, no different than saying huskies can pull sledges better in the artic than poodles, there breed for a task, labradors are bred for swimming with double coats, they don't have a double coat by chance and they aren't good swimmers by chance, they were bred to do a task like all dogs are, to not pay attention to that point is silly.
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And your missing my point to. Yes I agree they have been bred for that purpose but it's how they've been brought up from pups that will bring that out of them. That's not the dogs fault it's the owners. All any dog want to do is please it's master and that they will do how ever they are trained to do it... |
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"Alot of it is the owner and how the dog is trained and brought up (agreed). But.... end of the day these dogs were bread to fight, any dog with the name bull in it must be cautioned, iv owned and been in familys who have had dogs for over 30 years. All bull breeds have shown some kind of aggression and dominance towards my family dogs. Question is would you trust them in an empty room with your children? Ummmmmm....no! They should all be put down!! Anyway it's a swingers/fuck site so where's all the ladies tonight."
Your telling out your arse. I'd trust my dogs with any of my kids before I'd trust any human and so would most responsible dog owner... |
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"Alot of it is the owner and how the dog is trained and brought up (agreed). But.... end of the day these dogs were bread to fight, any dog with the name bull in it must be cautioned, iv owned and been in familys who have had dogs for over 30 years. All bull breeds have shown some kind of aggression and dominance towards my family dogs. Question is would you trust them in an empty room with your children? Ummmmmm....no! They should all be put down!! Anyway it's a swingers/fuck site so where's all the ladies tonight.
Your telling out your arse. I'd trust my dogs with any of my kids before I'd trust any human and so would most responsible dog owner..."
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"Alot of it is the owner and how the dog is trained and brought up (agreed). But.... end of the day these dogs were bread to fight, any dog with the name bull in it must be cautioned, iv owned and been in familys who have had dogs for over 30 years. All bull breeds have shown some kind of aggression and dominance towards my family dogs. Question is would you trust them in an empty room with your children? Ummmmmm....no! They should all be put down!! Anyway it's a swingers/fuck site so where's all the ladies tonight.
Your telling out your arse. I'd trust my dogs with any of my kids before I'd trust any human and so would most responsible dog owner...
Well said fb me to
Now faf "
No you look like you'd bite to me  |
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"Alot of it is the owner and how the dog is trained and brought up (agreed). But.... end of the day these dogs were bread to fight, any dog with the name bull in it must be cautioned, iv owned and been in familys who have had dogs for over 30 years. All bull breeds have shown some kind of aggression and dominance towards my family dogs. Question is would you trust them in an empty room with your children? Ummmmmm....no! They should all be put down!! Anyway it's a swingers/fuck site so where's all the ladies tonight.
Your telling out your arse. I'd trust my dogs with any of my kids before I'd trust any human and so would most responsible dog owner...
Well said fb me to
Now faf
No you look like you'd bite to me "
I would and stuff you then |
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"Alot of it is the owner and how the dog is trained and brought up (agreed). But.... end of the day these dogs were bread to fight, any dog with the name bull in it must be cautioned, iv owned and been in familys who have had dogs for over 30 years. All bull breeds have shown some kind of aggression and dominance towards my family dogs. Question is would you trust them in an empty room with your children? Ummmmmm....no! They should all be put down!! Anyway it's a swingers/fuck site so where's all the ladies tonight.
Your telling out your arse. I'd trust my dogs with any of my kids before I'd trust any human and so would most responsible dog owner...
Well said fb me to
Now faf
No you look like you'd bite to me "
She'd only do that if you smother yourself in Peanut Butter  |
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"Alot of it is the owner and how the dog is trained and brought up (agreed). But.... end of the day these dogs were bread to fight, any dog with the name bull in it must be cautioned, iv owned and been in familys who have had dogs for over 30 years. All bull breeds have shown some kind of aggression and dominance towards my family dogs. Question is would you trust them in an empty room with your children? Ummmmmm....no! They should all be put down!! Anyway it's a swingers/fuck site so where's all the ladies tonight.
Your telling out your arse. I'd trust my dogs with any of my kids before I'd trust any human and so would most responsible dog owner...
Well said fb me to
Now faf
No you look like you'd bite to me
She'd only do that if you smother yourself in Peanut Butter "
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I have a pitbull cross, she's a big cuddle monster, as long as your not a cat, or a male dog trying to sniff her bum. Lol. It's always the owners, treat the dog well & let it know your the pack leader and they will follow your lead |
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"Alot of it is the owner and how the dog is trained and brought up (agreed). But.... end of the day these dogs were bread to fight, any dog with the name bull in it must be cautioned, iv owned and been in familys who have had dogs for over 30 years. All bull breeds have shown some kind of aggression and dominance towards my family dogs. Question is would you trust them in an empty room with your children? Ummmmmm....no! They should all be put down!! Anyway it's a swingers/fuck site so where's all the ladies tonight.
Your telling out your arse. I'd trust my dogs with any of my kids before I'd trust any human and so would most responsible dog owner...
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Now faf
No you look like you'd bite to me
I would and stuff you then "
See aggressive humans. Now where my cuddley big daft pooches |
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"Alot of it is the owner and how the dog is trained and brought up (agreed). But.... end of the day these dogs were bread to fight, any dog with the name bull in it must be cautioned, iv owned and been in familys who have had dogs for over 30 years. All bull breeds have shown some kind of aggression and dominance towards my family dogs. Question is would you trust them in an empty room with your children? Ummmmmm....no! They should all be put down!! Anyway it's a swingers/fuck site so where's all the ladies tonight.
Your telling out your arse. I'd trust my dogs with any of my kids before I'd trust any human and so would most responsible dog owner...
Well said fb me to
Now faf
No you look like you'd bite to me
I would and stuff you then
See aggressive humans. Now where my cuddley big daft pooches "
10/10 for that knock back go's and cuddles my 4 legged baby |
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That being said I have friends in America who have pitbulls and love them. They don't inherently have a bad temperament, sadly some people train them to be aggressive. The reason they're banned here is that when they do attack their jaws clamp closed and its near impossible to open them. It's bad owners that are to blame. |
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not sure about pitbulls but i guess it really is down to their owner and training. In my street one family has a rottweiler, biggest sappiest dog you could ever meet. Another guy has 2 rotties he adopted from a shelter, both had been abused before. They are crazy territorial he cant have any strangers in his house they go nuts. he even has to collect his mail from the sorting office as the postoes won't go near. He is responsible though, takes them to quiet parks for runs, muzzled and harnessed when anyone elsd is around. They are sappy with him but the damage done previously is always there. So yeah, seems the way they are raised and trained makes all the difference |
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"Alot of it is the owner and how the dog is trained and brought up (agreed). But.... end of the day these dogs were bread to fight, any dog with the name bull in it must be cautioned, iv owned and been in familys who have had dogs for over 30 years. All bull breeds have shown some kind of aggression and dominance towards my family dogs. Question is would you trust them in an empty room with your children? Ummmmmm....no! They should all be put down!! Anyway it's a swingers/fuck site so where's all the ladies tonight.
Your telling out your arse. I'd trust my dogs with any of my kids before I'd trust any human and so would most responsible dog owner...
Well said fb me to
Now faf
No you look like you'd bite to me
I would and stuff you then
See aggressive humans. Now where my cuddley big daft pooches
10/10 for that knock back go's and cuddles my 4 legged baby "
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"They're not fighting dogs no dogs are fighting dog. There are however hairless morons that abuse them into fighting.
No that's not quite true, ownership plays apart but I'm afraid breed also plays apart.
The reason there's so many breed of dogs is because they've all been genetically engineered by humans to do a job.
Now ask yourself what bull terriers and alike were bred for?.
That's not too say that in the right hands there instinct will surface but it's definitely a factor
Nope not having it. I've had staffs English bulls and yes a pit in my life and all my life and not 1 has ever so much as growled at me or my kids. Obviously your always going to get 1 that might lose the plot but it's rare. What isn't rare is the Salford poodle mentality or more the point some prick acting the big man loving to watch his demented animal rip another dog or person come to that to bits. It's fucking sick.....
I agree entirely, I could personally have any breed of dog and there'd be fine but that's because I've got twenty years of dog handling experience.
Breeding is important though and your negating my point by saying I've had three and they've been fine.
Those dogs are bred for aggression purposes,that's why that breed exists, no different than saying huskies can pull sledges better in the artic than poodles, there breed for a task, labradors are bred for swimming with double coats, they don't have a double coat by chance and they aren't good swimmers by chance, they were bred to do a task like all dogs are, to not pay attention to that point is silly.
And your missing my point to. Yes I agree they have been bred for that purpose but it's how they've been brought up from pups that will bring that out of them. That's not the dogs fault it's the owners. All any dog want to do is please it's master and that they will do how ever they are trained to do it..."
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You know cars don't you, let me put it another.
You've got a Citroen c8 and a 1989 Mercedes 300, they've both been engineered for different tasks, one is less likely to grab you by the balls when you mistreat it, which one do you think it is?
Now yes both vehicles comes down to how you service them and look after them but one more than the other due its inherent engineering will bite you more than the other!..
Now bearing in mind that the vast majority of car owners are complete wankers when it comes to maintaining their vehicle which car would suit the majority the best? |
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I know it sounds daft, and he's a bit of a fanny, but the wee dog whisperer guy from the telly knows his shit. You have to learn the dogs signs, and impose your authority. It takes patience and hard work but my dog was a rescue dog and had serious issue's. Not with people but other dogs, and animals in general. Now its in check, she still has the impulses but now she looks at me & checks herself. They just need strong leadership |
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I dont like pitbulls, not that I know anyone who has one, and I dont like staffies either. I wouldnt trust them. The staffies Ive seen dont seem to be that great with other dogs. |
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"I know it sounds daft, and he's a bit of a fanny, but the wee dog whisperer guy from the telly knows his shit. You have to learn the dogs signs, and impose your authority. It takes patience and hard work but my dog was a rescue dog and had serious issue's. Not with people but other dogs, and animals in general. Now its in check, she still has the impulses but now she looks at me & checks herself. They just need strong leadership "
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Again I'm in total agreement with you, dogs need firm handling as part of their upbringing, the longer you leave it the harder it gets.
But that's a different argument than people saying it's got nothing to do with the dog and everything to do with the owner, that's just not true on a statistical basis or any basis that any dog trainer knows to be true, some breeds are worse than others due to the nature of their breeding, if we ever are going to solve a problem we need to first recognise what the problem is! |
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I have a lab, the UK's No. for biting. FACT
You know what she does when we meet people on our walks? Rolls over & begs for belly scratches.
BUT, you come at me aggressively & she'll have your bloody arm off.
Traits, genetics or whatever we're going with here appear in all dogs. Mixed breeding has caused a lot of behavioural issues but IT IS THE OWNER that makes a difference in a dogs life!
Caesar Milan I believe is the guy been mentioned above? He is not a good role model & he needs to be shut down. You can't stop aggression in a dog by showing it aggression!
A very silly man he is indeed! |
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"I dont like pitbulls, not that I know anyone who has one, and I dont like staffies either. I wouldnt trust them. The staffies Ive seen dont seem to be that great with other dogs. "
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"Police already knew informed them when i got him but he's not on the dangerous dogs act as they gave him a temperment test and he passed with flying colours "
and even after that your suppose to have a special insurance for them |
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"I have a lab, the UK's No. for biting. FACT
You know what she does when we meet people on our walks? Rolls over & begs for belly scratches.
BUT, you come at me aggressively & she'll have your bloody arm off.
Traits, genetics or whatever we're going with here appear in all dogs. Mixed breeding has caused a lot of behavioural issues but IT IS THE OWNER that makes a difference in a dogs life!
Caesar Milan I believe is the guy been mentioned above? He is not a good role model & he needs to be shut down. You can't stop aggression in a dog by showing it aggression!
A very silly man he is indeed! "
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No different than saying the number 1 dog for biting is the number 1 dog owned.
You do understand that don't you?.
Try putting as many Pitbulls in homes as labradors and see what the results show then? |
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"I have a lab, the UK's No. for biting. FACT
You know what she does when we meet people on our walks? Rolls over & begs for belly scratches.
BUT, you come at me aggressively & she'll have your bloody arm off.
Traits, genetics or whatever we're going with here appear in all dogs. Mixed breeding has caused a lot of behavioural issues but IT IS THE OWNER that makes a difference in a dogs life!
Caesar Milan I believe is the guy been mentioned above? He is not a good role model & he needs to be shut down. You can't stop aggression in a dog by showing it aggression!
A very silly man he is indeed! .
No different than saying the number 1 dog for biting is the number 1 dog owned.
You do understand that don't you?.
Try putting as many Pitbulls in homes as labradors and see what the results show then?"
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I was stating a fact!
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"They're not fighting dogs no dogs are fighting dog. There are however hairless morons that abuse them into fighting.
No that's not quite true, ownership plays apart but I'm afraid breed also plays apart.
The reason there's so many breed of dogs is because they've all been genetically engineered by humans to do a job.
Now ask yourself what bull terriers and alike were bred for?.
That's not too say that in the right hands there instinct will surface but it's definitely a factor
Nope not having it. I've had staffs English bulls and yes a pit in my life and all my life and not 1 has ever so much as growled at me or my kids. Obviously your always going to get 1 that might lose the plot but it's rare. What isn't rare is the Salford poodle mentality or more the point some prick acting the big man loving to watch his demented animal rip another dog or person come to that to bits. It's fucking sick.....
I agree entirely, I could personally have any breed of dog and there'd be fine but that's because I've got twenty years of dog handling experience.
Breeding is important though and your negating my point by saying I've had three and they've been fine.
Those dogs are bred for aggression purposes,that's why that breed exists, no different than saying huskies can pull sledges better in the artic than poodles, there breed for a task, labradors are bred for swimming with double coats, they don't have a double coat by chance and they aren't good swimmers by chance, they were bred to do a task like all dogs are, to not pay attention to that point is silly.
And your missing my point to. Yes I agree they have been bred for that purpose but it's how they've been brought up from pups that will bring that out of them. That's not the dogs fault it's the owners. All any dog want to do is please it's master and that they will do how ever they are trained to do it....
You know cars don't you, let me put it another.
You've got a Citroen c8 and a 1989 Mercedes 300, they've both been engineered for different tasks, one is less likely to grab you by the balls when you mistreat it, which one do you think it is?
Now yes both vehicles comes down to how you service them and look after them but one more than the other due its inherent engineering will bite you more than the other!..
Now bearing in mind that the vast majority of car owners are complete wankers when it comes to maintaining their vehicle which car would suit the majority the best?"
Strange analogy but I'll go with it as your making my point for me. So with all that in mind who's fault is it for abusing the wrong car the owners or the car. You can drive them both like an old granny and in theory will both will last a life time or you can miss treat them and both will eventually let you down. Its not the cars fault its your for not treating it right. Just because you own a fast car doesn't mean you can drive at 200mph when ever you get in it just as a dog bred for fighting doesn't has to fight its not the dogs fault it can fight to the death its the owners for allowing that behaviour or more than likely encouraging that behaviour.
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"I know it sounds daft, and he's a bit of a fanny, but the wee dog whisperer guy from the telly knows his shit. You have to learn the dogs signs, and impose your authority. It takes patience and hard work but my dog was a rescue dog and had serious issue's. Not with people but other dogs, and animals in general. Now its in check, she still has the impulses but now she looks at me & checks herself. They just need strong leadership .
Again I'm in total agreement with you, dogs need firm handling as part of their upbringing, the longer you leave it the harder it gets.
But that's a different argument than people saying it's got nothing to do with the dog and everything to do with the owner, that's just not true on a statistical basis or any basis that any dog trainer knows to be true, some breeds are worse than others due to the nature of their breeding, if we ever are going to solve a problem we need to first recognise what the problem is!"
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Pit bulls are amazing dogs. They are very protective and it is all about how they are trained. Blue nose pits are beautiful dogs. If you havent seen one, search it. |
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"They're not fighting dogs no dogs are fighting dog. There are however hairless morons that abuse them into fighting.
No that's not quite true, ownership plays apart but I'm afraid breed also plays apart.
The reason there's so many breed of dogs is because they've all been genetically engineered by humans to do a job.
Now ask yourself what bull terriers and alike were bred for?.
That's not too say that in the right hands there instinct will surface but it's definitely a factor
Nope not having it. I've had staffs English bulls and yes a pit in my life and all my life and not 1 has ever so much as growled at me or my kids. Obviously your always going to get 1 that might lose the plot but it's rare. What isn't rare is the Salford poodle mentality or more the point some prick acting the big man loving to watch his demented animal rip another dog or person come to that to bits. It's fucking sick.....
I agree entirely, I could personally have any breed of dog and there'd be fine but that's because I've got twenty years of dog handling experience.
Breeding is important though and your negating my point by saying I've had three and they've been fine.
Those dogs are bred for aggression purposes,that's why that breed exists, no different than saying huskies can pull sledges better in the artic than poodles, there breed for a task, labradors are bred for swimming with double coats, they don't have a double coat by chance and they aren't good swimmers by chance, they were bred to do a task like all dogs are, to not pay attention to that point is silly.
And your missing my point to. Yes I agree they have been bred for that purpose but it's how they've been brought up from pups that will bring that out of them. That's not the dogs fault it's the owners. All any dog want to do is please it's master and that they will do how ever they are trained to do it....
You know cars don't you, let me put it another.
You've got a Citroen c8 and a 1989 Mercedes 300, they've both been engineered for different tasks, one is less likely to grab you by the balls when you mistreat it, which one do you think it is?
Now yes both vehicles comes down to how you service them and look after them but one more than the other due its inherent engineering will bite you more than the other!..
Now bearing in mind that the vast majority of car owners are complete wankers when it comes to maintaining their vehicle which car would suit the majority the best?
Strange analogy but I'll go with it as your making my point for me. So with all that in mind who's fault is it for abusing the wrong car the owners or the car. You can drive them both like an old granny and in theory will both will last a life time or you can miss treat them and both will eventually let you down. Its not the cars fault its your for not treating it right. Just because you own a fast car doesn't mean you can drive at 200mph when ever you get in it just as a dog bred for fighting doesn't has to fight its not the dogs fault it can fight to the death its the owners for allowing that behaviour or more than likely encouraging that behaviour.
I think it's possibly time to agree to disagree. We are both obviously responsible dog owner but with our own views. Let's face it it would be a very boring life if we was all the same "
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Oh I agree with you alot, it's certainly not the dogs fault, there just doing what they do.
But denying breeding is ridiculous, its plainly obvious why dogs that pull sledges are huskies, why guard dogs are Rottweilers, why police dogs are Shepard's, why drug dogs are, labradors and springers, why guide dogs are retrievers and why Pitbulls are notoriously vicious.
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"I have a lab, the UK's No. for biting. FACT
You know what she does when we meet people on our walks? Rolls over & begs for belly scratches.
BUT, you come at me aggressively & she'll have your bloody arm off.
Traits, genetics or whatever we're going with here appear in all dogs. Mixed breeding has caused a lot of behavioural issues but IT IS THE OWNER that makes a difference in a dogs life!
Caesar Milan I believe is the guy been mentioned above? He is not a good role model & he needs to be shut down. You can't stop aggression in a dog by showing it aggression!
A very silly man he is indeed! "
I've never seen him be aggressive, I've seen him dominate, & impose his will on dogs. Which isn't the same as being aggressive, and which is the language of the pack. And I've seen him get results time and time again. And it worked with my dog & I've never been aggressive, & she loves me for it & behaves because she wants to do it. So I'm afraid I disagree, sorry. |
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"I have a lab, the UK's No. for biting. FACT
You know what she does when we meet people on our walks? Rolls over & begs for belly scratches.
BUT, you come at me aggressively & she'll have your bloody arm off.
Traits, genetics or whatever we're going with here appear in all dogs. Mixed breeding has caused a lot of behavioural issues but IT IS THE OWNER that makes a difference in a dogs life!
Caesar Milan I believe is the guy been mentioned above? He is not a good role model & he needs to be shut down. You can't stop aggression in a dog by showing it aggression!
A very silly man he is indeed! "
Labs have most bites recorded (fact) being the most bread dog world wide so of course it would be. Along with huskys nibbles also, Alot being Play bites (which they do) or warning bites. There are alot of funny people out there who don't like dogs and class these as attacks when not! Check the BULL breed history, there are more kills than any other breed. FACT!!!!! Anyway it's boring me now and am bored tonight due to lack of pussy on fab, so that's my final say and final facts. Go join the pets at home page or something lol |
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"I dont like pitbulls, not that I know anyone who has one, and I dont like staffies either. I wouldnt trust them. The staffies Ive seen dont seem to be that great with other dogs.
Point proved "
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Nearly everybody owns a car but that doesn't make them experts in cars or mechanics or driving skills, in fact most are obvious to the fact that they are lacking in skill and knowledge and will say.... I've been driving twenty years and never had an accident!
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"I have a lab, the UK's No. for biting. FACT
You know what she does when we meet people on our walks? Rolls over & begs for belly scratches.
BUT, you come at me aggressively & she'll have your bloody arm off.
Traits, genetics or whatever we're going with here appear in all dogs. Mixed breeding has caused a lot of behavioural issues but IT IS THE OWNER that makes a difference in a dogs life!
Caesar Milan I believe is the guy been mentioned above? He is not a good role model & he needs to be shut down. You can't stop aggression in a dog by showing it aggression!
A very silly man he is indeed!
Labs have most bites recorded (fact) being the most bread dog world wide so of course it would be. Along with huskys nibbles also, Alot being Play bites (which they do) or warning bites. There are alot of funny people out there who don't like dogs and class these as attacks when not! Check the BULL breed history, there are more kills than any other breed. FACT!!!!! Anyway it's boring me now and am bored tonight due to lack of pussy on fab, so that's my final say and final facts. Go join the pets at home page or something lol"
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"I have a lab, the UK's No. for biting. FACT
You know what she does when we meet people on our walks? Rolls over & begs for belly scratches.
BUT, you come at me aggressively & she'll have your bloody arm off.
Traits, genetics or whatever we're going with here appear in all dogs. Mixed breeding has caused a lot of behavioural issues but IT IS THE OWNER that makes a difference in a dogs life!
Caesar Milan I believe is the guy been mentioned above? He is not a good role model & he needs to be shut down. You can't stop aggression in a dog by showing it aggression!
A very silly man he is indeed!
I've never seen him be aggressive, I've seen him dominate, & impose his will on dogs. Which isn't the same as being aggressive, and which is the language of the pack. And I've seen him get results time and time again. And it worked with my dog & I've never been aggressive, & she loves me for it & behaves because she wants to do it. So I'm afraid I disagree, sorry. "
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"I dont like pitbulls, not that I know anyone who has one, and I dont like staffies either. I wouldnt trust them. The staffies Ive seen dont seem to be that great with other dogs.
Point proved
How on earth is that point proven. The poster admits to having no experience with either animal they state a preference nothing more which is everyone right. I don't like cats so I don't own 1 simple as "
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"I have a lab, the UK's No. for biting. FACT
You know what she does when we meet people on our walks? Rolls over & begs for belly scratches.
BUT, you come at me aggressively & she'll have your bloody arm off.
Traits, genetics or whatever we're going with here appear in all dogs. Mixed breeding has caused a lot of behavioural issues but IT IS THE OWNER that makes a difference in a dogs life!
Caesar Milan I believe is the guy been mentioned above? He is not a good role model & he needs to be shut down. You can't stop aggression in a dog by showing it aggression!
A very silly man he is indeed!
I've never seen him be aggressive, I've seen him dominate, & impose his will on dogs. Which isn't the same as being aggressive, and which is the language of the pack. And I've seen him get results time and time again. And it worked with my dog & I've never been aggressive, & she loves me for it & behaves because she wants to do it. So I'm afraid I disagree, sorry.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I certainly would not allow him near my dog!"
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"They're not fighting dogs no dogs are fighting dog. There are however hairless morons that abuse them into fighting.
No that's not quite true, ownership plays apart but I'm afraid breed also plays apart.
The reason there's so many breed of dogs is because they've all been genetically engineered by humans to do a job.
Now ask yourself what bull terriers and alike were bred for?.
That's not too say that in the right hands there instinct will surface but it's definitely a factor
Nope not having it. I've had staffs English bulls and yes a pit in my life and all my life and not 1 has ever so much as growled at me or my kids. Obviously your always going to get 1 that might lose the plot but it's rare. What isn't rare is the Salford poodle mentality or more the point some prick acting the big man loving to watch his demented animal rip another dog or person come to that to bits. It's fucking sick.....
I agree entirely, I could personally have any breed of dog and there'd be fine but that's because I've got twenty years of dog handling experience.
Breeding is important though and your negating my point by saying I've had three and they've been fine.
Those dogs are bred for aggression purposes,that's why that breed exists, no different than saying huskies can pull sledges better in the artic than poodles, there breed for a task, labradors are bred for swimming with double coats, they don't have a double coat by chance and they aren't good swimmers by chance, they were bred to do a task like all dogs are, to not pay attention to that point is silly.
And your missing my point to. Yes I agree they have been bred for that purpose but it's how they've been brought up from pups that will bring that out of them. That's not the dogs fault it's the owners. All any dog want to do is please it's master and that they will do how ever they are trained to do it....
You know cars don't you, let me put it another.
You've got a Citroen c8 and a 1989 Mercedes 300, they've both been engineered for different tasks, one is less likely to grab you by the balls when you mistreat it, which one do you think it is?
Now yes both vehicles comes down to how you service them and look after them but one more than the other due its inherent engineering will bite you more than the other!..
Now bearing in mind that the vast majority of car owners are complete wankers when it comes to maintaining their vehicle which car would suit the majority the best?
Strange analogy but I'll go with it as your making my point for me. So with all that in mind who's fault is it for abusing the wrong car the owners or the car. You can drive them both like an old granny and in theory will both will last a life time or you can miss treat them and both will eventually let you down. Its not the cars fault its your for not treating it right. Just because you own a fast car doesn't mean you can drive at 200mph when ever you get in it just as a dog bred for fighting doesn't has to fight its not the dogs fault it can fight to the death its the owners for allowing that behaviour or more than likely encouraging that behaviour.
I think it's possibly time to agree to disagree. We are both obviously responsible dog owner but with our own views. Let's face it it would be a very boring life if we was all the same .
Oh I agree with you alot, it's certainly not the dogs fault, there just doing what they do.
But denying breeding is ridiculous, its plainly obvious why dogs that pull sledges are huskies, why guard dogs are Rottweilers, why police dogs are Shepard's, why drug dogs are, labradors and springers, why guide dogs are retrievers and why Pitbulls are notoriously vicious.
If all breeds were equal you should see Pitbull guide dogs or Jack Russell police dogs or French poodle sledge pullers"
As much as I'd like to debate this with you all night I can't I've work to do. Work I was trained to do just like my dogs where trained to be house dogs and play with me and my kids. If I'd allowed it they could very easily rip there's or my own throat out but I don't just like I could walk up to somebody in the street and stab them to death. Just because somebody or something can do something it doesn't mean they will it really is that simple...
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"They're not fighting dogs no dogs are fighting dog. There are however hairless morons that abuse them into fighting.
No that's not quite true, ownership plays apart but I'm afraid breed also plays apart.
The reason there's so many breed of dogs is because they've all been genetically engineered by humans to do a job.
Now ask yourself what bull terriers and alike were bred for?.
That's not too say that in the right hands there instinct will surface but it's definitely a factor
Nope not having it. I've had staffs English bulls and yes a pit in my life and all my life and not 1 has ever so much as growled at me or my kids. Obviously your always going to get 1 that might lose the plot but it's rare. What isn't rare is the Salford poodle mentality or more the point some prick acting the big man loving to watch his demented animal rip another dog or person come to that to bits. It's fucking sick.....
I agree entirely, I could personally have any breed of dog and there'd be fine but that's because I've got twenty years of dog handling experience.
Breeding is important though and your negating my point by saying I've had three and they've been fine.
Those dogs are bred for aggression purposes,that's why that breed exists, no different than saying huskies can pull sledges better in the artic than poodles, there breed for a task, labradors are bred for swimming with double coats, they don't have a double coat by chance and they aren't good swimmers by chance, they were bred to do a task like all dogs are, to not pay attention to that point is silly.
And your missing my point to. Yes I agree they have been bred for that purpose but it's how they've been brought up from pups that will bring that out of them. That's not the dogs fault it's the owners. All any dog want to do is please it's master and that they will do how ever they are trained to do it....
You know cars don't you, let me put it another.
You've got a Citroen c8 and a 1989 Mercedes 300, they've both been engineered for different tasks, one is less likely to grab you by the balls when you mistreat it, which one do you think it is?
Now yes both vehicles comes down to how you service them and look after them but one more than the other due its inherent engineering will bite you more than the other!..
Now bearing in mind that the vast majority of car owners are complete wankers when it comes to maintaining their vehicle which car would suit the majority the best?
Strange analogy but I'll go with it as your making my point for me. So with all that in mind who's fault is it for abusing the wrong car the owners or the car. You can drive them both like an old granny and in theory will both will last a life time or you can miss treat them and both will eventually let you down. Its not the cars fault its your for not treating it right. Just because you own a fast car doesn't mean you can drive at 200mph when ever you get in it just as a dog bred for fighting doesn't has to fight its not the dogs fault it can fight to the death its the owners for allowing that behaviour or more than likely encouraging that behaviour.
I think it's possibly time to agree to disagree. We are both obviously responsible dog owner but with our own views. Let's face it it would be a very boring life if we was all the same .
Oh I agree with you alot, it's certainly not the dogs fault, there just doing what they do.
But denying breeding is ridiculous, its plainly obvious why dogs that pull sledges are huskies, why guard dogs are Rottweilers, why police dogs are Shepard's, why drug dogs are, labradors and springers, why guide dogs are retrievers and why Pitbulls are notoriously vicious.
If all breeds were equal you should see Pitbull guide dogs or Jack Russell police dogs or French poodle sledge pullers
As much as I'd like to debate this with you all night I can't I've work to do. Work I was trained to do just like my dogs where trained to be house dogs and play with me and my kids. If I'd allowed it they could very easily rip there's or my own throat out but I don't just like I could walk up to somebody in the street and stab them to death. Just because somebody or something can do something it doesn't mean they will it really is that simple...
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The only thing I realise when reading this thread is that most people shouldn't own a dog "
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Most people don't even realise that all dogs are cross breeds, theres no such thing as a wild dog their not domesticated wild animals, there cross breeds of wild animals that were cross bred for purpose no different than cows and pigs.
Ask any cow farmer, some breeds are more difficult than others because we didn't breed them to be friendly, we bred them for meat or milk and various other things |
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"Nearly everybody owns a car but that doesn't make them experts in cars or mechanics or driving skills, in fact most are obvious to the fact that they are lacking in skill and knowledge and will say.... I've been driving twenty years and never had an accident!
The only thing I realise when reading this thread is that most people shouldn't own a dog
Now that we most definitely agree on but I really hope your not meaning me "
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"Most people don't even realise that all dogs are cross breeds, theres no such thing as a wild dog their not domesticated wild animals, there cross breeds of wild animals that were cross bred for purpose no different than cows and pigs.
Ask any cow farmer, some breeds are more difficult than others because we didn't breed them to be friendly, we bred them for meat or milk and various other things"
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I've thought of a better analogy.
You ride bikes, would you let your young child jump straight on a TT race bike that's likely to throw you off at the first bend due to its engineering or would you say this TT bike needs experience, what you want to do is start off with something engineered friendlier, learn to understand the differences and the handling between them.
Its not that the two bikes are inherently different in their danger but one requires a more experienced owner!.
Alas with dogs we just say, here you go numptys, jump straight on, oh dear you've flown off the first corner and killed somebody, oh well, its the owners fault for going to fast |
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yawn dog lovers against dog not lovers .wild animals .any breed come near my kids and they get the human response.ive had all dogs come to close to my children and its a animal .so im in between.bigger and broader the dog the harder my defensive reaction.dogs are derived from wolves so never leave them any breed with children |
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"Nearly everybody owns a car but that doesn't make them experts in cars or mechanics or driving skills, in fact most are obvious to the fact that they are lacking in skill and knowledge and will say.... I've been driving twenty years and never had an accident!
The only thing I realise when reading this thread is that most people shouldn't own a dog
Now that we most definitely agree on but I really hope your not meaning me .
its a generalisation, nothing personal "
And it's your generalizing I don't and never will agree with. Obviously you did mean me in your statement above. Thankfully the rescue center where 1 of my current staffs come from didn't agree with you after there investigations into me before I was allowed to rehome what is now 1 of the best and definitely the biggest staff I've ever seen. I'll tell you this much the poor sod was so badly abused when I got him he's wet himself if you so much as put a hand out to stroke him. He'd been kicked so hard the basterds smashed his jaw he was pittyfull but now as I say he's the best I've ever had and that's down to my love and perchance with him so don't even dare say I should own any dog I choose because your bang out of order... |
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"I have a lab, the UK's No. for biting. FACT
You know what she does when we meet people on our walks? Rolls over & begs for belly scratches.
BUT, you come at me aggressively & she'll have your bloody arm off.
Traits, genetics or whatever we're going with here appear in all dogs. Mixed breeding has caused a lot of behavioural issues but IT IS THE OWNER that makes a difference in a dogs life!
Caesar Milan I believe is the guy been mentioned above? He is not a good role model & he needs to be shut down. You can't stop aggression in a dog by showing it aggression!
A very silly man he is indeed!
Labs have most bites recorded (fact) being the most bread dog world wide so of course it would be. Along with huskys nibbles also, Alot being Play bites (which they do) or warning bites. There are alot of funny people out there who don't like dogs and class these as attacks when not! Check the BULL breed history, there are more kills than any other breed. FACT!!!!! Anyway it's boring me now and am bored tonight due to lack of pussy on fab, so that's my final say and final facts. Go join the pets at home page or something lol
By the way it's *bred not bread!! "
I ain't here for spelling or to mock/make fun of other peoples vocab so calm down little sister because my facts are right! And picking at other things to make yourself feel better.... this isn't an English lesson it's a fuck site. I'm here to hopefully find a pussy tonight but I'm in this shitty discussion because it's not what it used to be on here clearly lol x |
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"I have a lab, the UK's No. for biting. FACT
You know what she does when we meet people on our walks? Rolls over & begs for belly scratches.
BUT, you come at me aggressively & she'll have your bloody arm off.
Traits, genetics or whatever we're going with here appear in all dogs. Mixed breeding has caused a lot of behavioural issues but IT IS THE OWNER that makes a difference in a dogs life!
Caesar Milan I believe is the guy been mentioned above? He is not a good role model & he needs to be shut down. You can't stop aggression in a dog by showing it aggression!
A very silly man he is indeed!
Labs have most bites recorded (fact) being the most bread dog world wide so of course it would be. Along with huskys nibbles also, Alot being Play bites (which they do) or warning bites. There are alot of funny people out there who don't like dogs and class these as attacks when not! Check the BULL breed history, there are more kills than any other breed. FACT!!!!! Anyway it's boring me now and am bored tonight due to lack of pussy on fab, so that's my final say and final facts. Go join the pets at home page or something lol
By the way it's *bred not bread!!
I ain't here for spelling or to mock/make fun of other peoples vocab so calm down little sister because my facts are right! And picking at other things to make yourself feel better.... this isn't an English lesson it's a fuck site. I'm here to hopefully find a pussy tonight but I'm in this shitty discussion because it's not what it used to be on here clearly lol x "
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Hi to all. Id much rather be surounded by a pack of dogs, than a pack of d*unks. So many, stating facts. Where on earth do you get some of these facts from. News papers? The tv.oh they must be right. Dog owner for over 40 years. Never ever had one turn or bite a human. I hate with a passion being patted on the head, my staffie doesnt like it either. So i dont pat his head or any other dogs head. He cant tell me to fuck off. Here my fab friends is a true real fact. No dog on this planet has lock jaw.especialy the famed pit bull. A crocadile does |
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"I have a lab, the UK's No. for biting. FACT
You know what she does when we meet people on our walks? Rolls over & begs for belly scratches.
BUT, you come at me aggressively & she'll have your bloody arm off.
Traits, genetics or whatever we're going with here appear in all dogs. Mixed breeding has caused a lot of behavioural issues but IT IS THE OWNER that makes a difference in a dogs life!
Caesar Milan I believe is the guy been mentioned above? He is not a good role model & he needs to be shut down. You can't stop aggression in a dog by showing it aggression!
A very silly man he is indeed!
Labs have most bites recorded (fact) being the most bread dog world wide so of course it would be. Along with huskys nibbles also, Alot being Play bites (which they do) or warning bites. There are alot of funny people out there who don't like dogs and class these as attacks when not! Check the BULL breed history, there are more kills than any other breed. FACT!!!!! Anyway it's boring me now and am bored tonight due to lack of pussy on fab, so that's my final say and final facts. Go join the pets at home page or something lol
By the way it's *bred not bread!!
I ain't here for spelling or to mock/make fun of other peoples vocab so calm down little sister because my facts are right! And picking at other things to make yourself feel better.... this isn't an English lesson it's a fuck site. I'm here to hopefully find a pussy tonight but I'm in this shitty discussion because it's not what it used to be on here clearly lol x "
And it's not a fuck site, it's a swingers site!
Huge difference
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"Nearly everybody owns a car but that doesn't make them experts in cars or mechanics or driving skills, in fact most are obvious to the fact that they are lacking in skill and knowledge and will say.... I've been driving twenty years and never had an accident!
The only thing I realise when reading this thread is that most people shouldn't own a dog
Now that we most definitely agree on but I really hope your not meaning me .
its a generalisation, nothing personal
And it's your generalizing I don't and never will agree with. Obviously you did mean me in your statement above. Thankfully the rescue center where 1 of my current staffs come from didn't agree with you after there investigations into me before I was allowed to rehome what is now 1 of the best and definitely the biggest staff I've ever seen. I'll tell you this much the poor sod was so badly abused when I got him he's wet himself if you so much as put a hand out to stroke him. He'd been kicked so hard the basterds smashed his jaw he was pittyfull but now as I say he's the best I've ever had and that's down to my love and perchance with him so don't even dare say I should own any dog I choose because your bang out of order... "
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No I think I made it clear it wasn't a personal remark but a generalisation on the matter, I'm sorry you decided to take it personally.
I've spent 25 years working on voluntary groups training from guide to sniffer to gun to the police, I've even spent many years running training classes for the public and to be honest, its a bit like you running a bike riding school and seeing New rider after rider come in with a 500cc two stroke GP bike and saying,here show me how to ride this!.
Sure I could but it would be much easier for you to get a 125 four stroke and learn some skills before upgrading because frankly without them skills lots of you will come straight off the track and kill yourself, others and the bike without that experience!.
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