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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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....as they often do, other threads set me off thinking about this subject. Do you stereotype in everyday situations? I'm a middle aged woman and if I am approached on this site, msn or whatever by twenty something Turks declaring their admiration in broken english, I more often than not ask them to go seek their entry Visa to this country elsewhere. Ok cynical but understandable as I am stereotypically a target by my age and gender 
Is it therefore acceptable that you can apply cynicism to stereotypes or stereotypical situations or should you try to ignore your gut instinct and try to react to each scenario when it arises. PLUS (gosh Im so inquisitive)is it wrong to apply certain traits to certain races or groups of people? Or (Susannah, man) do you quite like being stereotyped when it ends up making you look 'cool' and therefore attractive to others... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I saw the new 'Walkers' advert featuring last years X-Factor runner up and Liverpudlian, Rebecca Ferguson, in which she steals a packet of new Walkers SunBites from a disabled old lady. This lady subsequently jumps out of her 'Granny-mobile' and chases after her packet of crisps. Not only has she proven that she can walk AND run, but later in the advert also jumps and hangs on to the bottom of a helicopter. So, thats robbery and benefit fraud, all in one Liverpool based advert.
Not fulfilling any stereotypes there, are we? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I get stereotyped all the time, but still find myself doing it.....particularly at work- I shouldn't, but there ya go! Doubt I'm likely to stop it at any point  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I saw the new 'Walkers' advert featuring last years X-Factor runner up and Liverpudlian, Rebecca Ferguson, in which she steals a packet of new Walkers SunBites from a disabled old lady. This lady subsequently jumps out of her 'Granny-mobile' and chases after her packet of crisps. Not only has she proven that she can walk AND run, but later in the advert also jumps and hangs on to the bottom of a helicopter. So, thats robbery and benefit fraud, all in one Liverpool based advert.
Not fulfilling any stereotypes there, are we?"
Excellent example of my point - but how many of us find stereotypes endearing and haver a laugh at Enfields scousers. Does it call real harm and insult? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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stereotypes are interesting for the fact that some people like to try to play up to them..... while others tend to want to run in the other direction.....
p.s for the record.. i must be one of the few black guys on the site that absolutely hate all the black guy stereotypes.. so while other play up to then, I shudder as far away as humanly possible...
maybe the question is when does an instant judgement become an stereotype???
as a yank, then a cockney, then living in the toon (first person to mention geordie shore, ant and dec, or byker grove gets a biff on the nase!!!) i think i have seen then dished out and given back in jest on a daily basis...
like any of you have never looked at what someone wears and made a judgement....
in a way a lot of it is human nature... but at what point does then tend to offend???
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By (user no longer on site)
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I try not to stereotype but probably fail , like thinking bald guys with goatees drive pick up trucks , oh , wait , i'm a baldy with a goatee who drives a pick up !
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"stereotypes are interesting for the fact that some people like to try to play up to them..... while others tend to want to run in the other direction.....
p.s for the record.. i must be one of the few black guys on the site that absolutely hate all the black guy stereotypes.. so while other play up to then, I shudder as far away as humanly possible...
maybe the question is when does an instant judgement become an stereotype???
as a yank, then a cockney, then living in the toon (first person to mention geordie shore, ant and dec, or byker grove gets a biff on the nase!!!) i think i have seen then dished out and given back in jest on a daily basis...
like any of you have never looked at what someone wears and made a judgement....
in a way a lot of it is human nature... but at what point does then tend to offend???
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Good grief - I obviously have you stereotyped because I thought this is the sort of post you would get your teeth into and say its really not nice to do it! As for stereotyping being offensive I rarely read anything from those its referring to stating that they're offended - it's always others being indignant on their behalf. I'd love to hear from an englishman irishman and Jew walking into a bar.......
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By (user no longer on site)
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Well you did ask...............
an Englishman, an Irishman and a Jew walk into a bar.
The Englishman says, ''I'm thirsty; I must have a beer.''
The Irishman says, ''I'm thirsty too; I must have some Guinness.''
The Jew says, ''I'm also thirsty; I must have diabetes.'' |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Well you did ask...............
an Englishman, an Irishman and a Jew walk into a bar.
The Englishman says, ''I'm thirsty; I must have a beer.''
The Irishman says, ''I'm thirsty too; I must have some Guinness.''
The Jew says, ''I'm also thirsty; I must have diabetes.''"
hahahahah typical of you! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Bit of banter going on between friends in those last posts. I hope nobody uses this thread to get overly personal - unless its stereotypical of them to do so |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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Good grief - I obviously have you stereotyped because I thought this is the sort of post you would get your teeth into and say its really not nice to do it! As for stereotyping being offensive I rarely read anything from those its referring to stating that they're offended - it's always others being indignant on their behalf. I'd love to hear from an englishman irishman and Jew walking into a bar.......
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in a way you are right... in that if for example anything was said offensive about the colour of my skin, it was always my firends that you fly off the handle.... whereas me... water off a ducks back! (lived with it for way longer.. probably heard it 10 times before and probably heard worse...... )
yes it probably isn't nice to do... but but nature we do it... for example.. when was the last time you actually let one of those lovely people from "jehovah's witness" into your house rather than give an excuse and hide...
when was the last time you went out on a saturday night, saw a woman/women in skirts that was probably too short and thought something....
does that make people "that" bad.... |
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We all stereotype, some are just more vocal than others. I do, but try not to, and if I speak to a person I make my judgement on that conversation whether I will like them or not and whether the stereotypes fit. Like it or not some people just do  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Good grief - I obviously have you stereotyped because I thought this is the sort of post you would get your teeth into and say its really not nice to do it! As for stereotyping being offensive I rarely read anything from those its referring to stating that they're offended - it's always others being indignant on their behalf. I'd love to hear from an englishman irishman and Jew walking into a bar.......
in a way you are right... in that if for example anything was said offensive about the colour of my skin, it was always my firends that you fly off the handle.... whereas me... water off a ducks back! (lived with it for way longer.. probably heard it 10 times before and probably heard worse...... )
yes it probably isn't nice to do... but but nature we do it... for example.. when was the last time you actually let one of those lovely people from "jehovah's witness" into your house rather than give an excuse and hide...
when was the last time you went out on a saturday night, saw a woman/women in skirts that was probably too short and thought something....
does that make people "that" bad...."
I welcome Witnesses in all the time- they take one look at the tatts and decide I'm a lost cause!  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Good grief - I obviously have you stereotyped because I thought this is the sort of post you would get your teeth into and say its really not nice to do it! As for stereotyping being offensive I rarely read anything from those its referring to stating that they're offended - it's always others being indignant on their behalf. I'd love to hear from an englishman irishman and Jew walking into a bar.......
in a way you are right... in that if for example anything was said offensive about the colour of my skin, it was always my firends that you fly off the handle.... whereas me... water off a ducks back! (lived with it for way longer.. probably heard it 10 times before and probably heard worse...... )
yes it probably isn't nice to do... but but nature we do it... for example.. when was the last time you actually let one of those lovely people from "jehovah's witness" into your house rather than give an excuse and hide...
when was the last time you went out on a saturday night, saw a woman/women in skirts that was probably too short and thought something....
does that make people "that" bad...."
Physical traits or race are a fact and some people for fear of offending try to think of all sorts of ways to describe someone who is different to them which I find peculiar. Expecting black men to be, for example, hung and talking like a 'brother' well thats stereotyping I guess  |
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Ever stopped to wonder where the stereotypes come from? Could it be that someone has noticed a trend? Linking everyone of a certain type to that trend that has been observed can be dodgy, but sub-consiously we all do it. I think it's a part of the function of the brain that deals with survival and stuff...like what is friend and what is foe? What is a threat and what isn't? If the last 10 skinhead football hooligans gave you a hard time, then maybe the next skinhead you meet (nice guy he may be) won't be given the benefit of the doubt.
So basically, I can't see stereotyping as being anything other than normal. Where I draw the line is in false or malicious stereotying, and projecting prejudices unjustifiably. That then runs the risk of moving away from sterotyping" to an "x-ism" (where x could be one of the many obvious options) |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Ever stopped to wonder where the stereotypes come from? Could it be that someone has noticed a trend? Linking everyone of a certain type to that trend that has been observed can be dodgy, but sub-consiously we all do it. I think it's a part of the function of the brain that deals with survival and stuff...like what is friend and what is foe? What is a threat and what isn't? If the last 10 skinhead football hooligans gave you a hard time, then maybe the next skinhead you meet (nice guy he may be) won't be given the benefit of the doubt.
So basically, I can't see stereotyping as being anything other than normal. Where I draw the line is in false or malicious stereotying, and projecting prejudices unjustifiably. That then runs the risk of moving away from sterotyping" to an "x-ism" (where x could be one of the many obvious options)"
Very much in agreement here. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"....as they often do, other threads set me off thinking about this subject. Do you stereotype in everyday situations? I'm a middle aged woman and if I am approached on this site, msn or whatever by twenty something Turks declaring their admiration in broken english, I more often than not ask them to go seek their entry Visa to this country elsewhere. Ok cynical but understandable as I am stereotypically a target by my age and gender
Is it therefore acceptable that you can apply cynicism to stereotypes or stereotypical situations or should you try to ignore your gut instinct and try to react to each scenario when it arises. PLUS (gosh Im so inquisitive)is it wrong to apply certain traits to certain races or groups of people? Or (Susannah, man) do you quite like being stereotyped when it ends up making you look 'cool' and therefore attractive to others..."
Young urkish guys tend to go for mature ladies, and the older guys for younger, it's in their culture. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Young urkish guys tend to go for mature ladies, and the older guys for younger, it's in their culture."
But do the the young go for older turkish women or the older onces go for younger turkish women inside of their own culture? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Young urkish guys tend to go for mature ladies, and the older guys for younger, it's in their culture.
But do the the young go for older turkish women or the older onces go for younger turkish women inside of their own culture? "
urkishes and onces - what are we like! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Young urkish guys tend to go for mature ladies, and the older guys for younger, it's in their culture.
But do the the young go for older turkish women or the older onces go for younger turkish women inside of their own culture?
urkishes and onces - what are we like!"
We're like stereotypical poor proof readers and keen hit the send buttoners!! hahahah |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Physical traits or race are a fact and some people for fear of offending try to think of all sorts of ways to describe someone who is different to them which I find peculiar. Expecting black men to be, for example, hung and talking like a 'brother' well thats stereotyping I guess "
ive been glaswegian 30yrs or so, i dont particularly enjoy music,dont have really any relatives from my darkside.
Now heres the strange bit, 15years ago...I was normally the only black person on a bus/train, but with the influx of lotsa new people, theres alot on the same bus as me now, mainly all new to the country.Now I would prefer to be seen(suppose u have to hear it lol) as a blackscot rather than someone just newly arrived foreigner...
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By (user no longer on site)
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Most of us stereotype, even though we'd like to think we don't!
I remember an incident years ago: I was in the adventure playground with my daughter. One of the mums came over to me and we got talking.
The conversation went along the lines of not having enough time with the kids due to work. I said I was lucky as I worked at Brixton College which was near to where we were.
The woman said Brixton College would be perfect for her too, especially as I only worked part time. She then asked if she gave me her name and number would I hand it into my cleaning supervisor.
I've never seen someone so embarrassed or anyone blush so deeply when I told her I was a lecturer in business studies and computing and didn't know who the cleaning supervisor was!
23 years have passed and that still makes me smile! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I saw the new 'Walkers' advert featuring last years X-Factor runner up and Liverpudlian, Rebecca Ferguson, in which she steals a packet of new Walkers SunBites from a disabled old lady. This lady subsequently jumps out of her 'Granny-mobile' and chases after her packet of crisps. Not only has she proven that she can walk AND run, but later in the advert also jumps and hangs on to the bottom of a helicopter. So, thats robbery and benefit fraud, all in one Liverpool based advert.
Not fulfilling any stereotypes there, are we?"
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I do not interpret the advert in the same way sorry!
I see a fiesty, plucky, frail and old lady who is determined not to let someone much younger and fitter than her to pull a fast one over her, and manages to find the strength and determination to get back something that belongs to her to start with.
I do not interpret it in negative light at all.
Just shows how different one's outlook in life can affects one's _iew of the same situation. |
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I think some humour can come from stereotyping as long as it isnt spiteful or hate driven..
I am guilty of occasionally putting people in boxes..I think a lot of people do it and dont realise it at the time..but its normally attached to a joke or a one liner..never spiteful..
We have been on the receiving end of stereotyping on here many times..is used to bother us, now we just rise above it..
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P...I would prefer to be seen(suppose u have to hear it lol) as a blackscot rather than someone just newly arrived foreigner...
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Funny you should say that, there is a black (2nd generation Jamaican-origin) woman in my office, who speaks with a proper Brummie accent, who hates, with a passion, first generation Jamaican "Yardies" (as she calls them)
Also interesting that I hear most complaints (is that the right word?) about (1st generation) Polish immigrants...from the (established) Irish community, NOT the English! |
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As others have said it it next to impossible to meet someone and not have ideas about what they might be like based on age,race,colour ,accent ,dress.
The important thing is whether we instantly make our mind up about the person based on our assumptions,and having an awareness that our reactions to the person may be influenced by conscious or unconscious stereotypes.
i remember on a different forum someone making the assumption that i was a single mother on benefits because i was online in the daytime and northern.
They could not see beyond the stereotype, or accept it influenced their assumptions.
The idea i was a yummy mummy from "little surrey"( actual description of where i live) never occurred to them because they had no awareness of their own prejudices. |
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By *phroditeWoman
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"As others have said it it next to impossible to meet someone and not have ideas about what they might be like based on age,race,colour ,accent ,dress.
The important thing is whether we instantly make our mind up about the person based on our assumptions,and having an awareness that our reactions to the person may be influenced by conscious or unconscious stereotypes.
i remember on a different forum someone making the assumption that i was a single mother on benefits because i was online in the daytime and northern.
They could not see beyond the stereotype, or accept it influenced their assumptions.
The idea i was a yummy mummy from "little surrey"( actual description of where i live) never occurred to them because they had no awareness of their own prejudices."
Very true - and ina a way the stereotypes are a form of learning and from drawing conclusions from one observation - this in itself is not unhealthy. It does, as you rightly say, become unhealthy and stereotyping when you subsequently do not check your opinions to see if the judgment still holds true in teh next observation. So it is ab out said self awareness. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As others have said it it next to impossible to meet someone and not have ideas about what they might be like based on age,race,colour ,accent ,dress.
The important thing is whether we instantly make our mind up about the person based on our assumptions,and having an awareness that our reactions to the person may be influenced by conscious or unconscious stereotypes.
i remember on a different forum someone making the assumption that i was a single mother on benefits because i was online in the daytime and northern.
They could not see beyond the stereotype, or accept it influenced their assumptions.
The idea i was a yummy mummy from "little surrey"( actual description of where i live) never occurred to them because they had no awareness of their own prejudices."
so very true |
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