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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Not in a sexual sense!!!!!!
You are in an accident where you hit a man standing behind his vehicle, causing catastrophic injuries.
16 months later the case finally comes to court and you are found guilty - what would you "expect" your punishment to be? |
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Depends what factors were involved, were you drinking, was it dark or light, what were the weather conditions, how did you hit him, what was he doing standing behind his car, what type of road was it on? Details we need details then I'd tell you exactly what your sentence would be. |
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A fine as it was an 'accident' - my brakes failed and I was unable to stop despite evidence showing I was below the speed limit and the man was on top of his car in front of me high on drugs and slipped down the boot right in front of me. |
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"A fine as it was an 'accident' - my brakes failed and I was unable to stop despite evidence showing I was below the speed limit and the man was on top of his car in front of me high on drugs and slipped down the boot right in front of me."
Is there an engineer's report to say the brakes failed... and not due to insufficient maintenance?
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"A fine as it was an 'accident' - my brakes failed and I was unable to stop despite evidence showing I was below the speed limit and the man was on top of his car in front of me high on drugs and slipped down the boot right in front of me.
Is there an engineer's report to say the brakes failed... and not due to insufficient maintenance?
Cal "
Yeah definitely  not my fault, guv  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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anything from a fine and points (but no ban) through to a couple of years custodial all depending on exact circumstances and mitigating/aggravating factors |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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What was the offence? What was the cause? Was speed a factor? What time of day was it? Was the road well lit? Why was the guy in the road? There are a million questions that need answering and examining before a balanced opinion can be given. I'm sure the magistrates or judge will have said answers to those questions before deciding on the penalty. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Depends what factors were involved, were you drinking, was it dark or light, what were the weather conditions, how did you hit him, what was he doing standing behind his car, what type of road was it on? Details we need details then I'd tell you exactly what your sentence would be. "
DETAILS! Give her the details.
I want to hear what her sentence would be.
Locked in a cell with The empress sticking her tongue up his shit pipe for the next 10 years I should imagine.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Depends what factors were involved, were you drinking, was it dark or light, what were the weather conditions, how did you hit him, what was he doing standing behind his car, what type of road was it on? Details we need details then I'd tell you exactly what your sentence would be.
DETAILS! Give her the details.
I want to hear what her sentence would be.
Locked in a cell with The empress sticking her tongue up his shit pipe for the next 10 years I should imagine. "
I don't think I'd class that as a punishment  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Depends what factors were involved, were you drinking, was it dark or light, what were the weather conditions, how did you hit him, what was he doing standing behind his car, what type of road was it on? Details we need details then I'd tell you exactly what your sentence would be.
DETAILS! Give her the details.
I want to hear what her sentence would be.
Locked in a cell with The empress sticking her tongue up his shit pipe for the next 10 years I should imagine. "
The ops a bird and that wouldn't be a punishment that would be a treat  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Depends what factors were involved, were you drinking, was it dark or light, what were the weather conditions, how did you hit him, what was he doing standing behind his car, what type of road was it on? Details we need details then I'd tell you exactly what your sentence would be. "
No not d*unk driver. Light. Rain but not heavy and no standing water on the road. Loading a trailer. Long straight road. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"A fine as it was an 'accident' - my brakes failed and I was unable to stop despite evidence showing I was below the speed limit and the man was on top of his car in front of me high on drugs and slipped down the boot right in front of me.
Is there an engineer's report to say the brakes failed... and not due to insufficient maintenance?
Brakes didn't fail. He failed to stop in time
Cal "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Depends what factors were involved, were you drinking, was it dark or light, what were the weather conditions, how did you hit him, what was he doing standing behind his car, what type of road was it on? Details we need details then I'd tell you exactly what your sentence would be.
No not d*unk driver. Light. Rain but not heavy and no standing water on the road. Loading a trailer. Long straight road. "
Was the road a clearway? Was the rear of the trailer lit?
What was visibility like? Nightime? Daylight? Is the road well lit, or trees obscuring light? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Depends what factors were involved, were you drinking, was it dark or light, what were the weather conditions, how did you hit him, what was he doing standing behind his car, what type of road was it on? Details we need details then I'd tell you exactly what your sentence would be.
No not d*unk driver. Light. Rain but not heavy and no standing water on the road. Loading a trailer. Long straight road.
Was the road a clearway? Was the rear of the trailer lit?
What was visibility like? Nightime? Daylight? Is the road well lit, or trees obscuring light?"
What's a clear way?? The hazards were on. Daytime. Visibility for at least 300m prior to crash site |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Depends what factors were involved, were you drinking, was it dark or light, what were the weather conditions, how did you hit him, what was he doing standing behind his car, what type of road was it on? Details we need details then I'd tell you exactly what your sentence would be.
No not d*unk driver. Light. Rain but not heavy and no standing water on the road. Loading a trailer. Long straight road. "
Then how/why did you hit him?! Lapse of concentration? Fall asleep at the wheel? Reaching to get something out of glove compartment?
-Matt |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Depends what factors were involved, were you drinking, was it dark or light, what were the weather conditions, how did you hit him, what was he doing standing behind his car, what type of road was it on? Details we need details then I'd tell you exactly what your sentence would be.
No not d*unk driver. Light. Rain but not heavy and no standing water on the road. Loading a trailer. Long straight road.
Then how/why did you hit him?! Lapse of concentration? Fall asleep at the wheel? Reaching to get something out of glove compartment?
-Matt"
I didn't. My father was the victim |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Depends what factors were involved, were you drinking, was it dark or light, what were the weather conditions, how did you hit him, what was he doing standing behind his car, what type of road was it on? Details we need details then I'd tell you exactly what your sentence would be.
No not d*unk driver. Light. Rain but not heavy and no standing water on the road. Loading a trailer. Long straight road. "
If he was loading a trailer then I assume he was in a layby or on the side of the road, it's a parked third party vehicle and it's a person that's been hit. What type of road was it on (speed limit for the road) any other factors, driver on a phone. It's too bloody vague, but if cps had enough evidence to bring it to court and for it to be actually found guilty then there's gonna be stuff you aren't telling us. What court was it magistrates or crown, guilty in crown is beyond all reasonable doubt, guilty in magistrates is a balance of probabilities so it's a bit easier to be found guilty in magistrates.
Not enough information for me I'm afraid to determine the sentence. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Can I just check that you weren;t the driver? And if you were the victim or connected to them then has the driver been sentenced already?
Because this thread could be contempt of court if you or someone else is awaiting sentencing |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Can I just check that you weren;t the driver? And if you were the victim or connected to them then has the driver been sentenced already?
Because this thread could be contempt of court if you or someone else is awaiting sentencing"
I don't drive and if I did wouldn't hit my father ffs!!! And of course or I wouldn't post this thread |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"OP, maybe ask the legal representative or the driver..?
they will have a better idea than random strangers playing guess.."
I have my reasons for asking |
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"Depends what factors were involved, were you drinking, was it dark or light, what were the weather conditions, how did you hit him, what was he doing standing behind his car, what type of road was it on? Details we need details then I'd tell you exactly what your sentence would be.
No not d*unk driver. Light. Rain but not heavy and no standing water on the road. Loading a trailer. Long straight road.
Was the road a clearway? Was the rear of the trailer lit?
What was visibility like? Nightime? Daylight? Is the road well lit, or trees obscuring light?"
Was the driver on their phone?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Can I just check that you weren;t the driver? And if you were the victim or connected to them then has the driver been sentenced already?
Because this thread could be contempt of court if you or someone else is awaiting sentencing
I don't drive and if I did wouldn't hit my father ffs!!! And of course or I wouldn't post this thread"
But has the driver been sentenced? If they haven't then should you be discussing it publicly? |
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"OP, maybe ask the legal representative or the driver..?
they will have a better idea than random strangers playing guess..
I have my reasons for asking"
Now you have mentioned your Father then yes i see that..
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Depends what factors were involved, were you drinking, was it dark or light, what were the weather conditions, how did you hit him, what was he doing standing behind his car, what type of road was it on? Details we need details then I'd tell you exactly what your sentence would be.
No not d*unk driver. Light. Rain but not heavy and no standing water on the road. Loading a trailer. Long straight road.
Then how/why did you hit him?! Lapse of concentration? Fall asleep at the wheel? Reaching to get something out of glove compartment?
-Matt
I didn't. My father was the victim"
Ahh. Sorry to hear that 
Did the driver offer up any kind of explanation as to why they hit him?
-Matt |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Depends what factors were involved, were you drinking, was it dark or light, what were the weather conditions, how did you hit him, what was he doing standing behind his car, what type of road was it on? Details we need details then I'd tell you exactly what your sentence would be.
No not d*unk driver. Light. Rain but not heavy and no standing water on the road. Loading a trailer. Long straight road.
Then how/why did you hit him?! Lapse of concentration? Fall asleep at the wheel? Reaching to get something out of glove compartment?
-Matt
I didn't. My father was the victim
Ahh. Sorry to hear that
Did the driver offer up any kind of explanation as to why they hit him?
They thought the car in front was indicating to turn right and didn't see my dad or his vehicle and trailer until it was too late
-Matt"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Depends what factors were involved, were you drinking, was it dark or light, what were the weather conditions, how did you hit him, what was he doing standing behind his car, what type of road was it on? Details we need details then I'd tell you exactly what your sentence would be.
No not d*unk driver. Light. Rain but not heavy and no standing water on the road. Loading a trailer. Long straight road.
Was the road a clearway? Was the rear of the trailer lit?
What was visibility like? Nightime? Daylight? Is the road well lit, or trees obscuring light?
What's a clear way?? The hazards were on. Daytime. Visibility for at least 300m prior to crash site "
A clearway is a road with restrictions of stopping.
What type of road is it, 300 metres is a long way which suggests a dual carriageway which promys the question why was the driver loading there? How safe was it to stop? Sentencing could well reflect that |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Depends what factors were involved, were you drinking, was it dark or light, what were the weather conditions, how did you hit him, what was he doing standing behind his car, what type of road was it on? Details we need details then I'd tell you exactly what your sentence would be.
No not d*unk driver. Light. Rain but not heavy and no standing water on the road. Loading a trailer. Long straight road.
Then how/why did you hit him?! Lapse of concentration? Fall asleep at the wheel? Reaching to get something out of glove compartment?
-Matt
I didn't. My father was the victim
Ahh. Sorry to hear that
Did the driver offer up any kind of explanation as to why they hit him?
They thought the car in front was indicating to turn right and didn't see my dad or his vehicle and trailer until it was too late
-Matt"
Sorry, I don't follow. Was your dad stationary in the middle of the road then?
-Matt |
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By (user no longer on site)
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There will be a whole court case with full evidence to decide the sentence. BUT it won't satisfy anyone. The driver who killed my wife got a 3 month driving ban and few hundred fine, and had the nerve to appeal against it.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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A clearway is a road with restrictions of stopping.
What type of road is it, 300 metres is a long way which suggests a dual carriageway which promys the question why was the driver loading there?
Single carriageway but main thoroughfare betwixt areas and residential.
Why does it beg the question about loading.
How safe was it to stop? Sentencing could well reflect that[/quote. Stopped legally to load. As was said in court. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"There will be a whole court case with full evidence to decide the sentence. BUT it won't satisfy anyone. The driver who killed my wife got a 3 month driving ban and few hundred fine, and had the nerve to appeal against it.
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There was and, as you well know, satisfaction is way off. I'm sorry for your loss |
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By (user no longer on site)
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OP, I'm sorry for what happened to your dad, but you have given us a tiny snippet of information and are asking us to be judge and jury. We can't do that unless we are in possession of all the facts which were presented at court. You either need to give a details description of what happened or just tell us what offence the driver was convicted of and what sentence they got. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"OP, I'm sorry for what happened to your dad, but you have given us a tiny snippet of information and are asking us to be judge and jury. We can't do that unless we are in possession of all the facts which were presented at court. You either need to give a details description of what happened or just tell us what offence the driver was convicted of and what sentence they got. "
See above. I was wondering what you lot would think was fitting. Which is what I asked. And I have given quite a bit of info. |
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By *ilk_TreMan
over a year ago
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"OP, I'm sorry for what happened to your dad, but you have given us a tiny snippet of information and are asking us to be judge and jury. We can't do that unless we are in possession of all the facts which were presented at court. You either need to give a details description of what happened or just tell us what offence the driver was convicted of and what sentence they got.
See above. I was wondering what you lot would think was fitting. Which is what I asked. And I have given quite a bit of info. "
Well not quite. Two things I would need to know are 1) Why the driver failed to stop in time and 2) What injuries did the victim receive.
Also, do we know if the defendant made some admission of guilt which meant they were offered a reduced sentence? You're asking laymen to do the job of learned professionals. Personally, if I was unhappy with a sentence I'd be seeking advice regarding an appeal. From a proper solicitor though. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Depends what factors were involved, were you drinking, was it dark or light, what were the weather conditions, how did you hit him, what was he doing standing behind his car, what type of road was it on? Details we need details then I'd tell you exactly what your sentence would be.
DETAILS! Give her the details.
I want to hear what her sentence would be.
Locked in a cell with The empress sticking her tongue up his shit pipe for the next 10 years I should imagine.
The ops a bird and that wouldn't be a punishment that would be a treat "
Wasn't aware of sprouted plumage!!! |
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Okay, imagine you were the driver. You are driving along a main thoroughfare, breaking no laws. You see a vehicle in front of you indicating to turn right, That vehicle is obscuring the view ahead. When it completes it's Vandoeuvre you realise it was infact indicating to overtake a stationary vehicle. You brake but too late and collide with a pedestrian stood behind the stationary car.
What do you think should be the appropriate punishment? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Okay, imagine you were the driver. You are driving along a main thoroughfare, breaking no laws. You see a vehicle in front of you indicating to turn right, That vehicle is obscuring the view ahead. When it completes it's Vandoeuvre you realise it was infact indicating to overtake a stationary vehicle. You brake but too late and collide with a pedestrian stood behind the stationary car.
What do you think should be the appropriate punishment?"
That's my question to you lot |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Okay, imagine you were the driver. You are driving along a main thoroughfare, breaking no laws. You see a vehicle in front of you indicating to turn right, That vehicle is obscuring the view ahead. When it completes it's Vandoeuvre you realise it was infact indicating to overtake a stationary vehicle. You brake but too late and collide with a pedestrian stood behind the stationary car.
What do you think should be the appropriate punishment?
That's my question to you lot "
Yes but you clearly think it inadequate and are looking at it from your perspective |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Okay, imagine you were the driver. You are driving along a main thoroughfare, breaking no laws. You see a vehicle in front of you indicating to turn right, That vehicle is obscuring the view ahead. When it completes it's Vandoeuvre you realise it was infact indicating to overtake a stationary vehicle. You brake but too late and collide with a pedestrian stood behind the stationary car.
What do you think should be the appropriate punishment?
That's my question to you lot
Yes but you clearly think it inadequate and are looking at it from your perspective"
What makes you say that? How do you "know" what I'm thinking???? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Okay, imagine you were the driver. You are driving along a main thoroughfare, breaking no laws. You see a vehicle in front of you indicating to turn right, That vehicle is obscuring the view ahead. When it completes it's Vandoeuvre you realise it was infact indicating to overtake a stationary vehicle. You brake but too late and collide with a pedestrian stood behind the stationary car.
What do you think should be the appropriate punishment?
That's my question to you lot
Yes but you clearly think it inadequate and are looking at it from your perspective
What makes you say that? How do you "know" what I'm thinking???? "
Because you clearly don;t think ythat the sentence was too harsh |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Okay, imagine you were the driver. You are driving along a main thoroughfare, breaking no laws. You see a vehicle in front of you indicating to turn right, That vehicle is obscuring the view ahead. When it completes it's Vandoeuvre you realise it was infact indicating to overtake a stationary vehicle. You brake but too late and collide with a pedestrian stood behind the stationary car.
What do you think should be the appropriate punishment?
That's my question to you lot
Yes but you clearly think it inadequate and are looking at it from your perspective
What makes you say that? How do you "know" what I'm thinking????
Because you clearly don;t think ythat the sentence was too harsh"
How have I imparted any of my thoughts on this by asking the question what would be fitting. Bear in mind that there are always mitigating circumstances, three sides to every story and I'm a firm believer in the lore of thrice fold |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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Sorry Op about your dad. Member of our extended family was killed outright and nephew left with life changing injuries. The lorry driver ' had a coughing fit' and hit him straight on. The case has been dropped. Very very difficult, it was a pure accident. Family are appealing. You never really know.. |
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By *ilk_TreMan
over a year ago
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"Okay, imagine you were the driver. You are driving along a main thoroughfare, breaking no laws. You see a vehicle in front of you indicating to turn right, That vehicle is obscuring the view ahead. When it completes it's Vandoeuvre you realise it was infact indicating to overtake a stationary vehicle. You brake but too late and collide with a pedestrian stood behind the stationary car.
What do you think should be the appropriate punishment?"
Now this is so different from the way that the OP has presented the case.
We still don't know what happened to the pedestrian but I would assume life changing if not life threatening injuries.
I hope that some sense of closure can be found in the civil courts. At least it has been established that the driver isn't completely blameless. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Okay, imagine you were the driver. You are driving along a main thoroughfare, breaking no laws. You see a vehicle in front of you indicating to turn right, That vehicle is obscuring the view ahead. When it completes it's Vandoeuvre you realise it was infact indicating to overtake a stationary vehicle. You brake but too late and collide with a pedestrian stood behind the stationary car.
What do you think should be the appropriate punishment?
Now this is so different from the way that the OP has presented the case.
We still don't know what happened to the pedestrian but I would assume life changing if not life threatening injuries.
I hope that some sense of closure can be found in the civil courts. At least it has been established that the driver isn't completely blameless."
If you read through the drip feeding of cicumstances I think this is pretty much what happened |
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