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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago
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"define evil.
i'm ignostic so need that explaining.
A witch in the form of a scary television named Edna .
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probably the best answer i'm gonna get, so will take that. 
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What would you change about the world if you could ? If you believe in a god why hasn't that god changed it. "
I'd make the world realise what a lazy stance the "if there's a god why does he let bad things happen?" argument is. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Why is it God responsibility to change it ?
It is us that change it because it is humans that are screwing it up not god.
I believe in god but i believe god is their to give me strength to face life challanges. God wont do anything for me. I have to do it myself, but having his strength will guide me |
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By *mcouple1 OP Couple
over a year ago
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"What would you change about the world if you could ? If you believe in a god why hasn't that god changed it.
I'd make the world realise what a lazy stance the "if there's a god why does he let bad things happen?" argument is. "
It is not a lazy argument. Try to argue it with someone and you will see how bottomless the point is. |
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By *mcouple1 OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Why is it God responsibility to change it ?
It is us that change it because it is humans that are screwing it up not god.
I believe in god but i believe god is their to give me strength to face life challanges. God wont do anything for me. I have to do it myself, but having his strength will guide me "
So god chooses not to stop the things you face. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Why is it God responsibility to change it ?
It is us that change it because it is humans that are screwing it up not god.
I believe in god but i believe god is their to give me strength to face life challanges. God wont do anything for me. I have to do it myself, but having his strength will guide me
So god chooses not to stop the things you face. "
No why should he or she they are lifes challenges that i have to face the majority of my own making not gods making |
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Our top priority for change would focus on helping to restore the health of the planet - achieving this change benefits everything upon it in the longer term.
Many other things to do too.
Evil is subjective - what I may consider evil or immoral, others consider acceptable behaviour. Higher standards should apply for those who wield greater power and potentially huge levels of catastrophic harm. I'm reasonably certain that there is no god. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It is us that change it because it is humans that are screwing it up not god.
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But "God" created humans?...
Are you saying that "God" who is, incidentally and allegedly supposed to be "perfect"..are you saying his creation has malfunctioned?
Well holy shit!
Why didn't "god" who is indeed "perfect" and can indeed see the future, never saw that balls up coming?.. 
I'm Atheist.
So take what I've just said with a bucketful of salt. Because I'm biased on this subject.
I just don't believe God exists. |
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"What would you change about the world if you could ? If you believe in a god why hasn't that god changed it. "
If I could change anything about this world , it would be to eradicate man's inhumanity to man.
I am agnostic - however, those that do believe , maintain that God gave people free will. Good and evil reside in the hands of the people. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If you dont think god exists that should be respected same as someone who does believe 
It all comes down to ones interpretation what God is to me may be totally different to someone else.
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Evil thrives in the right enviroments. Especially environments lacking love, oppertunity and positive role models. Often its a cycle. If I could change something it would be be more love, more education and a more level playing field for all.
As to God simply you have to find some reason to understand why your chosen God would allow such things. I would say its hard to believe in inteligent design and then say your god is seriourly flawed. So a justification is needed. In the Christian faith alone there are many different opinions why. Some would say it's because God gave us free will, so may say it's a result of God's disapproval etc, etc.
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By *enny79TV/TS
over a year ago
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Evil is necessary you can't have good without having evil and many great things have come from evil intentions as many evil things have come from good intentions it's just a fact u have to accept unfortunately |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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It is us that change it because it is humans that are screwing it up not god.
But "God" created humans?...
Are you saying that "God" who is, incidentally and allegedly supposed to be "perfect"..are you saying his creation has malfunctioned?
Well holy shit!
Why didn't "god" who is indeed "perfect" and can indeed see the future, never saw that balls up coming?..
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Biblically speaking, God created man and woman and let them live in the Garden of Eden, paradise basically, on the condition that they didn't eat from the Tree of Knowledge. After eating the apple they became aware of the suffering, hardship and pain (inc childbirth) of the world outside Eden. God expelled them from Eden.
Basically by eating the fruit humans chose to have free will to make their own choices and accepted the harshness of life. Free will also means that the future is not written and we have control over our own destinies so to speak.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What would you change about the world if you could ? If you believe in a god why hasn't that god changed it. "
I would like judgemental people to take a good, long, hard look at themselves
Why hasn't he? Free will
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It is us that change it because it is humans that are screwing it up not god.
But "God" created humans?...
Are you saying that "God" who is, incidentally and allegedly supposed to be "perfect"..are you saying his creation has malfunctioned?
Well holy shit!
Why didn't "god" who is indeed "perfect" and can indeed see the future, never saw that balls up coming?..
Biblically speaking, God created man and woman and let them live in the Garden of Eden, paradise basically, on the condition that they didn't eat from the Tree of Knowledge. After eating the apple they became aware of the suffering, hardship and pain (inc childbirth) of the world outside Eden. God expelled them from Eden.
Basically by eating the fruit humans chose to have free will to make their own choices and accepted the harshness of life. Free will also means that the future is not written and we have control over our own destinies so to speak.
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And there's the problems we face .
We are given choice and free will , and inevitably we make poor choices and our will is driven by greed , power and evil . |
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"What would you change about the world if you could ? If you believe in a god why hasn't that god changed it. "
I don't believe in an omnipotent, benign god. Good and evil are two sides of the same coin and like "God" come from inside ourselves. What would I change? Humanity. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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In the grand scheme of things its all yesterday's? fish and chips, the only people desperate to get too the next life are the ones not very happy with the one they've made for themselves.
God is a concept by which we measure our pain  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"too busy playing grand tourismo on ps1
as an omnipotent deity do you have the power of evil?"
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Like an eternity in hell  .. Pretty fitting for a regular wanker I feel |
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By *mcouple1 OP Couple
over a year ago
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"just google the wiki for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodicy
all the answers are there.  only just found this myself.
why did god create chocolate and diabetes? nobody ever asks that."
Perfect  at last someone understands the problem. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"too busy playing grand tourismo on ps1
as an omnipotent deity do you have the power of evil?
Well there is in the religon i follow
we have much to learn before we can debate. "
Off course no-one is right or wrong and i have not desire to push my beliefs onto anyone else just show a different way of thinking |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"just google the wiki for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodicy
all the answers are there. only just found this myself.
why did god create chocolate and diabetes? nobody ever asks that. Perfect at last someone understands the problem. "
I am gonna be annoying lol
God didnt create chocolate he created cocoa we as humans created chocolate and stuffed our faces with it lol |
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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago
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"too busy playing grand tourismo on ps1
as an omnipotent deity do you have the power of evil?
Well there is in the religon i follow
we have much to learn before we can debate.
Off course no-one is right or wrong and i have not desire to push my beliefs onto anyone else just show a different way of thinking "
i sometimesdebate to learn new things, it's why i ask questions as well as spout what i think. |
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By *orum TrollWoman
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"just google the wiki for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodicy
all the answers are there. only just found this myself.
why did god create chocolate and diabetes? nobody ever asks that. Perfect at last someone understands the problem. "
at least chocolate isn't a concept. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"too busy playing grand tourismo on ps1
as an omnipotent deity do you have the power of evil?
Well there is in the religon i follow
we have much to learn before we can debate.
Off course no-one is right or wrong and i have not desire to push my beliefs onto anyone else just show a different way of thinking
i sometimesdebate to learn new things, it's why i ask questions as well as spout what i think."
Knowledge is a good thing i feel |
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"Evil" is simply a term that was created by humans and is subjective to each person.
It is been proven that each and every human being has the ability to be "evil" or commit acts that would be seen as "evil"
What is "evil" to some may be justifiable to others.
Personally I think some things happen and as horrible as it is there's no stopping humans from committing such acts no matter what things you remove. Unless you remove the human race that is...
~Mia |
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By *orum TrollWoman
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"too busy playing grand tourismo on ps1
as an omnipotent deity do you have the power of evil?
Well there is in the religon i follow
we have much to learn before we can debate.
Off course no-one is right or wrong and i have not desire to push my beliefs onto anyone else just show a different way of thinking
i sometimes debate to learn new things, it's why i ask questions as well as spout what i think.
Knowledge is a good thing i feel "
usually just end up with more questions tbh. but now i understand the chocolate and god debate more already. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This problem has been asked for over 400 years. It even has its own name for all the answers. But not one definitive answer has been presented. "
But why is that a problem ?
As humans we can rarely agree on anything lol
If i asked you which is the best chocolate bar could you give me a definitive answer ? |
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"This problem has been asked for over 400 years. It even has its own name for all the answers. But not one definitive answer has been presented.
But why is that a problem ?
As humans we can rarely agree on anything lol
If i asked you which is the best chocolate bar could you give me a definitive answer ?"
Well obviously its Montezuma chilli chocolate! |
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By *mcouple1 OP Couple
over a year ago
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"This problem has been asked for over 400 years. It even has its own name for all the answers. But not one definitive answer has been presented.
But why is that a problem ?
As humans we can rarely agree on anything lol
If i asked you which is the best chocolate bar could you give me a definitive answer ?
Well obviously its Montezuma chilli chocolate! "
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By *mcouple1 OP Couple
over a year ago
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""Evil" is simply a term that was created by humans and is subjective to each person.
It is been proven that each and every human being has the ability to be "evil" or commit acts that would be seen as "evil"
What is "evil" to some may be justifiable to others.
Personally I think some things happen and as horrible as it is there's no stopping humans from committing such acts no matter what things you remove. Unless you remove the human race that is...
~Mia"
exclude human acts. Now let's talk about mass destruction of children by volcanoes or earthquakes or disease or famine. |
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""Evil" is simply a term that was created by humans and is subjective to each person.
It is been proven that each and every human being has the ability to be "evil" or commit acts that would be seen as "evil"
What is "evil" to some may be justifiable to others.
Personally I think some things happen and as horrible as it is there's no stopping humans from committing such acts no matter what things you remove. Unless you remove the human race that is...
~Miaexclude human acts. Now let's talk about mass destruction of children by volcanoes or earthquakes or disease or famine. "
'God' did not make the parents of 'innocent' children live next to a live volcano, nor did 'God' infect the children with disease or famine (which could also be argued to be the fault of the parent to some degree). 'God' gave life in all its glory. Just because 'God' can exist does not mean evolution and science can not. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It is us that change it because it is humans that are screwing it up not god.
But "God" created humans?...
Are you saying that "God" who is, incidentally and allegedly supposed to be "perfect"..are you saying his creation has malfunctioned?
Well holy shit!
Why didn't "god" who is indeed "perfect" and can indeed see the future, never saw that balls up coming?..
I'm Atheist.
So take what I've just said with a bucketful of salt. Because I'm biased on this subject.
I just don't believe God exists."
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By (user no longer on site)
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I never had any imaginary friends even as a child & I'm not going to start now. We all have a capacity for good and evil. It's got nothing to do with an ancient fable. Oh & if god is real, then he's done, & been part of some pretty evil shit of his own. Read the old testament,vengeful and vain and callous. It's in his own book ffs. Lol. I'll have bugger all to do with it thanks, ill keep my own dark shit in check because I believe in good, not god. |
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"I never had any imaginary friends even as a child & I'm not going to start now. We all have a capacity for good and evil. It's got nothing to do with an ancient fable. Oh & if god is real, then he's done, & been part of some pretty evil shit of his own. Read the old testament,vengeful and vain and callous. It's in his own book ffs. Lol. I'll have bugger all to do with it thanks, ill keep my own dark shit in check because I believe in good, not god."
If you dont want to believe thats all good.
I'd just like to point out its not just about the old testament and new testament.
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By *mcouple1 OP Couple
over a year ago
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"I never had any imaginary friends even as a child & I'm not going to start now. We all have a capacity for good and evil. It's got nothing to do with an ancient fable. Oh & if god is real, then he's done, & been part of some pretty evil shit of his own. Read the old testament,vengeful and vain and callous. It's in his own book ffs. Lol. I'll have bugger all to do with it thanks, ill keep my own dark shit in check because I believe in good, not god."
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By *mcouple1 OP Couple
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""Evil" is simply a term that was created by humans and is subjective to each person.
It is been proven that each and every human being has the ability to be "evil" or commit acts that would be seen as "evil"
What is "evil" to some may be justifiable to others.
Personally I think some things happen and as horrible as it is there's no stopping humans from committing such acts no matter what things you remove. Unless you remove the human race that is...
~Miaexclude human acts. Now let's talk about mass destruction of children by volcanoes or earthquakes or disease or famine.
'God' did not make the parents of 'innocent' children live next to a live volcano, nor did 'God' infect the children with disease or famine (which could also be argued to be the fault of the parent to some degree). 'God' gave life in all its glory. Just because 'God' can exist does not mean evolution and science can not."
what is the reason you believe a god exists ? |
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By *mcouple1 OP Couple
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"I never had any imaginary friends even as a child & I'm not going to start now. We all have a capacity for good and evil. It's got nothing to do with an ancient fable. Oh & if god is real, then he's done, & been part of some pretty evil shit of his own. Read the old testament,vengeful and vain and callous. It's in his own book ffs. Lol. I'll have bugger all to do with it thanks, ill keep my own dark shit in check because I believe in good, not god.
If you dont want to believe thats all good.
I'd just like to point out its not just about the old testament and new testament. Ok how about the 10 commandments?
Should we obey them or not ?
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"I never had any imaginary friends even as a child & I'm not going to start now. We all have a capacity for good and evil. It's got nothing to do with an ancient fable. Oh & if god is real, then he's done, & been part of some pretty evil shit of his own. Read the old testament,vengeful and vain and callous. It's in his own book ffs. Lol. I'll have bugger all to do with it thanks, ill keep my own dark shit in check because I believe in good, not god.
If you dont want to believe thats all good.
I'd just like to point out its not just about the old testament and new testament. Ok how about the 10 commandments?
Should we obey them or not ?
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I belive in god but i dont believe in any of the above.
What i believe is from a completely different religon i believe in love and humanity and that god gives me the strength to do that. |
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By *mcouple1 OP Couple
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"I never had any imaginary friends even as a child & I'm not going to start now. We all have a capacity for good and evil. It's got nothing to do with an ancient fable. Oh & if god is real, then he's done, & been part of some pretty evil shit of his own. Read the old testament,vengeful and vain and callous. It's in his own book ffs. Lol. I'll have bugger all to do with it thanks, ill keep my own dark shit in check because I believe in good, not god.
If you dont want to believe thats all good.
I'd just like to point out its not just about the old testament and new testament. Ok how about the 10 commandments?
Should we obey them or not ?
I belive in god but i dont believe in any of the above.
What i believe is from a completely different religon i believe in love and humanity and that god gives me the strength to do that. "
which god is that ? There are nearly 3000 still worshipped. |
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"I never had any imaginary friends even as a child & I'm not going to start now. We all have a capacity for good and evil. It's got nothing to do with an ancient fable. Oh & if god is real, then he's done, & been part of some pretty evil shit of his own. Read the old testament,vengeful and vain and callous. It's in his own book ffs. Lol. I'll have bugger all to do with it thanks, ill keep my own dark shit in check because I believe in good, not god.
If you dont want to believe thats all good.
I'd just like to point out its not just about the old testament and new testament. Ok how about the 10 commandments?
Should we obey them or not ?
I belive in god but i dont believe in any of the above.
What i believe is from a completely different religon i believe in love and humanity and that god gives me the strength to do that. which god is that ? There are nearly 3000 still worshipped. "
I follow hinduism and i see it more as a way of life rather than what i should do and what i shouldnt do.
At the last count i do believe i have 330 millon to chose from pmsl |
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It's about taking responsibility for your own actions not blaming the devil, or whatever other form he takes in the countless other works of fiction out there. Its about making this life, you know, the real one, the one we actually have as opposed to the made up one a lot of people think they will go too. Make this one the best it can be & live, that's what it's about for me |
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""Evil" is simply a term that was created by humans and is subjective to each person.
It is been proven that each and every human being has the ability to be "evil" or commit acts that would be seen as "evil"
What is "evil" to some may be justifiable to others.
Personally I think some things happen and as horrible as it is there's no stopping humans from committing such acts no matter what things you remove. Unless you remove the human race that is...
~Miaexclude human acts. Now let's talk about mass destruction of children by volcanoes or earthquakes or disease or famine.
'God' did not make the parents of 'innocent' children live next to a live volcano, nor did 'God' infect the children with disease or famine (which could also be argued to be the fault of the parent to some degree). 'God' gave life in all its glory. Just because 'God' can exist does not mean evolution and science can not.
what is the reason you believe a god exists ?"
I never said I believed in 'God'. However, in order to answer your question as to why God allows the death of children we have to assume 'God' is real. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Seriously? If an omnipotent and omnipresent entity that had reality altering powers existed, we wouldn't be aware of it because it has already happened (unless a glitch in the matrix occurs)  |
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Also, without evil there is no perception of what is truly good. If you are this almighty being, do you do away with the possibility of any misfortune occurring at all? |
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""Evil" is simply a term that was created by humans and is subjective to each person.
It is been proven that each and every human being has the ability to be "evil" or commit acts that would be seen as "evil"
What is "evil" to some may be justifiable to others.
Personally I think some things happen and as horrible as it is there's no stopping humans from committing such acts no matter what things you remove. Unless you remove the human race that is...
~Miaexclude human acts. Now let's talk about mass destruction of children by volcanoes or earthquakes or disease or famine. "
I don't think you can class acts of nature as something that can be defined as evil.
It's just something that happens.
It is unfortunate but you can't define natural acts as evil as it isn't done deliberately unlike human acts
~Mia |
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"What would you change about the world if you could ? If you believe in a god why hasn't that god changed it.
I'd make the world realise what a lazy stance the "if there's a god why does he let bad things happen?" argument is. "
No one likes to take responsibility. ..We blame everyone else because....of course they are responsible but never me..... So god why did YOU let it happen if you exist?
There must be no god because he/she (gender neutral) has let evil happen as of course they are responsible and not me or us.
Argument :- there is no god because I can't take any responsibility for the shit that happens here.
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By *mcouple1 OP Couple
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""Evil" is simply a term that was created by humans and is subjective to each person.
It is been proven that each and every human being has the ability to be "evil" or commit acts that would be seen as "evil"
What is "evil" to some may be justifiable to others.
Personally I think some things happen and as horrible as it is there's no stopping humans from committing such acts no matter what things you remove. Unless you remove the human race that is...
~Miaexclude human acts. Now let's talk about mass destruction of children by volcanoes or earthquakes or disease or famine.
I don't think you can class acts of nature as something that can be defined as evil.
It's just something that happens.
It is unfortunate but you can't define natural acts as evil as it isn't done deliberately unlike human acts
~Mia"
ok change the title to the problem of suffering and ask the Same question. |
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You cant legislate against the intent to perpetuate criminal behaviour and you cant prevent oppertunity by increasing defences in vulnerable locations .....  |
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""Evil" is simply a term that was created by humans and is subjective to each person.
It is been proven that each and every human being has the ability to be "evil" or commit acts that would be seen as "evil"
What is "evil" to some may be justifiable to others.
Personally I think some things happen and as horrible as it is there's no stopping humans from committing such acts no matter what things you remove. Unless you remove the human race that is...
~Mia
exclude human acts. Now let's talk about mass destruction of children by volcanoes or earthquakes or disease or famine.
I don't think you can class acts of nature as something that can be defined as evil.
It's just something that happens.
It is unfortunate but you can't define natural acts as evil as it isn't done deliberately unlike human acts
~Mia
ok change the title to the problem of suffering and ask the Same question. "
Again suffering is subjective. What one human views as "suffering" another may view as normal.
Suffering happens to every species and they adapt and evolve around said problem.
And suffering must continue to exist so that evolution and intelligence is still able to continue and to grow and change.
~Mia
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"What would you change about the world if you could ? If you believe in a god why hasn't that god changed it.
I'd make the world realise what a lazy stance the "if there's a god why does he let bad things happen?" argument is.
No one likes to take responsibility. ..We blame everyone else because....of course they are responsible but never me..... So god why did YOU let it happen if you exist?
There must be no god because he/she (gender neutral) has let evil happen as of course they are responsible and not me or us.
Argument :- there is no god because I can't take any responsibility for the shit that happens here.
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Bits and bobs of talk about God on here. I have no idea if God exists or not (but I tend to doubt it). However, for anyone that does believe, then you must surely know that there is also the Devil.
In addition, contrary to what the lefty tree huggers think, good does not far outweigh evil. All evidence points to it being a very fine balance - and we all hope good finally wins, of course.
That's one of the current problems - the lefties keep preaching this "one love" nonsense. The evil ones simply laugh. You are converting nobody nor standing up to nobody.
Time has come for good to FIGHT evil - end of. |
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"I would take hatred jelaousy and anger away. "
How does one know love peace contentment with out experience and knowledge of the opposite?
I once asked someone from Romania many many years ago to describe freedom. They said they did not know as everything was done for them... choice had been removed. They really struggled to live and fit here because they couldn't comprehend that they had a choice on everything and they hadn't learnt to make choices and learn from those choices.
It's a nice idea to remove those things...but ultimately it only works by showing the better option, hoping we have shown them so convincingly that they then hopefully choose appropriately. |
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The best quote I know on this subject is simply this by Edmund Burke :-
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
People need to think long and hard about that because it is profoundly true - and, by and large, what we as a nation have been doing for decades now about the fundamentalist evil - basically nothing. Just listen to the kow towing lefties and you will understand what I mean.
If Corbyn gets in - Lord help us.
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