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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Ok this might turn a bit rambly but bear with me!
I was just thinking if you committed a crime accidentally would you admit it or plead innocence?
Say you had an argument and pushed someone who then fell and hit their head and died would you go to trial?
If you were confident there wasnt enough evidence to convict you would you admit it or plead not guilty?
I like to think Im an honest person, I have no one relying on me and although my loved ones would be upset their lives could go on without me. Would having kids or other dependents sway your decision?
Do you think living with the guilt of your actions is enough punishment to make you fight for your freedom? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I'd have to come clean. I ran back into asda once when I accidentally stole an eye liner because I was holding it so it didn't fall through the holes in the basket!"
Lol I once stole a candle stick. It was glass and I hadn't noticed it in the trolley at the checkout.  |
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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago
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I was 'given' a free mascara the other day, the shop assistant was holding it, she even took off the protective tag, but she must have forgotten to scan it at the till, not my fault Guv as I didn't notice until I got home   |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This is rather interesting because the lady who has been "murdered" in my area a few weeks ago. There is thoughts that this scenario has happened there. I'll try n keep you updated if I remember.
PTU xxx |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Oh god what a dilemma, I'm an honest person. But as I'm the main carer for my sons I would be wrestling with doing the right thing and being there for my family.
Hopefully not a situation I would ever have to face x |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Pretty much every decision we make has the potential to impact a chain of events that could ultimately effect the wellbeing of anther person ..... "
Its mad to think that eh?
One of my friends was murdered at the start of the year. The two boys had gone looking for trouble and started a fight. They punched him and he hit his head.
Its devastating to see the effect their mindless action has had on so many people, including themselves.
The boys are currently due to go to trial as they are pleading not guilty and it just makes me think, can you justify going to trial in the hope of a shorter sentence? |
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"Ok this might turn a bit rambly but bear with me!
I was just thinking if you committed a crime accidentally would you admit it or plead innocence?
Say you had an argument and pushed someone who then fell and hit their head and died would you go to trial?
If you were confident there wasnt enough evidence to convict you would you admit it or plead not guilty?
I like to think Im an honest person, I have no one relying on me and although my loved ones would be upset their lives could go on without me. Would having kids or other dependents sway your decision?
Do you think living with the guilt of your actions is enough punishment to make you fight for your freedom? "
I admit it: the one crime I'm guilty of is stealing a piece of candy from the corner shop when I was 3. My parents made me take it back, sobbing all the way. Though I don't remember it, it must've made an impression on me!
Besides, I am constitutionally incapable of lying. It just shows! The best I can do when confronted with something I've done (no crimes) is laughingly admit to it and making a joke about the whole thing. Usually I'm then not believed. |
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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago
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some people don't have a guilty conscious so that adds another dimension to this.
lawrence kohlbergs scale of morals would explain this a little on why people do what they do.
Kohlberg's six stages can be more generally grouped into three levels of two stages each: pre-conventional, conventional and post-conventional.[7][8][9] Following Piaget's constructivist requirements for a stage model, as described in his theory of cognitive development, it is extremely rare to regress in stages—to lose the use of higher stage abilities.[14][15] Stages cannot be skipped; each provides a new and necessary perspective, more comprehensive and differentiated than its predecessors but integrated with them.[14][15]
Level 1 (Pre-Conventional)
1. Obedience and punishment orientation (How I avoid punishment?)
2. Self-interest orientation (What's in it for me?) (Paying for a benefit)
Level 2 (Conventional)
3. Interpersonal accord and conformity (Social norms)(The good boy/girl attitude)
4. Authority and social-order maintaining orientation (Law and order morality)
Level 3 (Post-Conventional)
5. Social contract orientation
6. Universal ethical principle (Principled conscience)
The understanding gained in each stage is retained in later stages, but may be regarded by those in later stages as simplistic, lacking in sufficient attention to detail.
copy and pasted off wikipedia. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"No lawyer but if those did exactly what you did and how you described I'd say it was premeditated and thus should be punished according."
Well there's a hell of a lot of people agree with that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Pretty much every decision we make has the potential to impact a chain of events that could ultimately effect the wellbeing of anther person .....
Its mad to think that eh?
One of my friends was murdered at the start of the year. The two boys had gone looking for trouble and started a fight. They punched him and he hit his head.
Its devastating to see the effect their mindless action has had on so many people, including themselves.
The boys are currently due to go to trial as they are pleading not guilty and it just makes me think, can you justify going to trial in the hope of a shorter sentence? "
I'm not the sort of person who goes out looking got trouble so can't identify with the mindset of people that do. I guess the thought if prison doesn't bother them so take the chance.
Personally if I ever foundyself on that position and new I was guilty I'd be going all out on cooperation to get as much mitigation as possible cone sentencing |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Although I may not come across as it. I'm a very moral person and despise lies and couldn't live with any guilt of lying. So would just have to be truthful even if I committed an accidental crime. And live with my actions. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Pretty much every decision we make has the potential to impact a chain of events that could ultimately effect the wellbeing of anther person .....
Its mad to think that eh?
One of my friends was murdered at the start of the year. The two boys had gone looking for trouble and started a fight. They punched him and he hit his head.
Its devastating to see the effect their mindless action has had on so many people, including themselves.
The boys are currently due to go to trial as they are pleading not guilty and it just makes me think, can you justify going to trial in the hope of a shorter sentence?
I'm not the sort of person who goes out looking got trouble so can't identify with the mindset of people that do. I guess the thought if prison doesn't bother them so take the chance.
Personally if I ever foundyself on that position and new I was guilty I'd be going all out on cooperation to get as much mitigation as possible cone sentencing "
That's the thing too. The boys are mouthing off and acting like its not a big deal.
For me the guilt would be too much and I wouldn't want to cause any more pain for the friends or family of the person I hurt. |
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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago
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"No lawyer but if those did exactly what you did and how you described I'd say it was premeditated and thus should be punished according.
Well there's a hell of a lot of people agree with that. "
premeditated means planned to, under law. it would need to be proved that you planned to kill that person.
what if they acted out of rage, out of character, didn't intend to kill them, and a whole host of other things that are not planned at all but could cause the same outcome?
this is why court cases can take a long time because the jury often needs educating about law, if the evidence isn't there you cannot sentence acting upon your own personal feelings. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No lawyer but if those did exactly what you did and how you described I'd say it was premeditated and thus should be punished according.
Well there's a hell of a lot of people agree with that.
premeditated means planned to, under law. it would need to be proved that you planned to kill that person.
what if they acted out of rage, out of character, didn't intend to kill them, and a whole host of other things that are not planned at all but could cause the same outcome?
this is why court cases can take a long time because the jury often needs educating about law, if the evidence isn't there you cannot sentence acting upon your own personal feelings."
But premeditated doesn't mean that they went out with the intention to kill someone. The intention to harm someone/anyone will potentially make it premeditated. A minor scuffle but decide to go back later for another go then that's premeditated.
Acting out of rage or out of character is mitigation when it comes to sentencing, it's not reflected in the CPS' charging decision though |
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I've always said if i have done something wrong and get caught i would hold my hands up and take my punishment. On the other hand if i was accused of something and was innocent i would argue my innocence to the death.
Around 20 years ago i worked part time in a working mens club behind the bar. They had issues with money missing from the tills so made us have our own till and we couldn't share. We had to check the float at the start of our shift and if it short at the end of the night we had to make up any shortfall over £5. I had no issue with this but said the first time i was asked to pay for someone else's theft i would walk.
A few months later that happened and i quit on the spot. It turned out to be the landlady's daughter who was the thief! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I would get myself a damn good lawyer and then try to strike a deal based on a guilty plea.
I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I didn't come clean, but I'd make sure to protect myself from what I might perceive as an unfair punishment for an accidental event. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Personally, I'd have to confess but not with the intent of trying to soften any punishment -- but because if I committed a crime even without intent, I still committed a crime.
In the same way, if I say something that upsets someone -- even if my intent wasn't to hurt them, I'd be sorry that it caused them pain and own that potential impact. |
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By *orum TrollWoman
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"No lawyer but if those did exactly what you did and how you described I'd say it was premeditated and thus should be punished according.
Well there's a hell of a lot of people agree with that.
premeditated means planned to, under law. it would need to be proved that you planned to kill that person.
what if they acted out of rage, out of character, didn't intend to kill them, and a whole host of other things that are not planned at all but could cause the same outcome?
this is why court cases can take a long time because the jury often needs educating about law, if the evidence isn't there you cannot sentence acting upon your own personal feelings.
But premeditated doesn't mean that they went out with the intention to kill someone. The intention to harm someone/anyone will potentially make it premeditated. A minor scuffle but decide to go back later for another go then that's premeditated.
Acting out of rage or out of character is mitigation when it comes to sentencing, it's not reflected in the CPS' charging decision though"
surprised to hear that, especially as i've personally seen it used for defence. |
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I didn't steal a pair of underpants from Harvey Nichols on day in Bristol. They were on sale, I paid cash and the nice assistant put the box in a nice bag and off I went. When I got home in west Wales, I noticed the security tag still on and no receipt, so no proof. Local shops wouldn't help me, obviously and the underpants were white with a tag which releases a dye if tampered with.
So.......
I managed to get it off! Phew! |
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"I'd have to come clean. I ran back into asda once when I accidentally stole an eye liner because I was holding it so it didn't fall through the holes in the basket!
Lol I once stole a candle stick. It was glass and I hadn't noticed it in the trolley at the checkout. "
I did that with a bottle opener with a crystal ball handle and silver shaft it was Christmas time and I was parked miles from the shop so my mum made me steal it! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'd have to come clean. I ran back into asda once when I accidentally stole an eye liner because I was holding it so it didn't fall through the holes in the basket!
Lol I once stole a candle stick. It was glass and I hadn't noticed it in the trolley at the checkout.
I did that with a bottle opener with a crystal ball handle and silver shaft it was Christmas time and I was parked miles from the shop so my mum made me steal it!"
You can't steal it if you didn't know it was in your bag. You need dishonest intent. However once you realise it's there, and you appropriate it ...well you're a thief !!! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I'd have to come clean. I ran back into asda once when I accidentally stole an eye liner because I was holding it so it didn't fall through the holes in the basket!
Lol I once stole a candle stick. It was glass and I hadn't noticed it in the trolley at the checkout.
I did that with a bottle opener with a crystal ball handle and silver shaft it was Christmas time and I was parked miles from the shop so my mum made me steal it!"
Haha it was my mum that made me do it too!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I am a believer in consequences..... we are adults and have to take responsibility for any of our actions!!
How many times have each of us wanted to rob a bank, or punch our boss?! Most of us don't because we don't want to face the consequences (in this example, prison and sack/criminal charges)
I think that the true story of Little Boy Blue about the devastating murder of Rhys Jones the 11 year old boy killed by scum some years ago portrayed this extremely well.
For those who didn't see it, the thugs who murdered him tried to cover it up and showed no remorse whatsoever for his murder.
They caused Rhys's family, school, police and the community untold trouble and additional grief.
In the end, the people responsible for the murder; those that helped and the killer's parents were all convicted of various crimes (perverting the course of justice?) And sent to prison.
Let that be a good example to us all!!! Always best to be honest and face the consequences. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I am a believer in consequences..... we are adults and have to take responsibility for any of our actions!!
How many times have each of us wanted to rob a bank, or punch our boss?! Most of us don't because we don't want to face the consequences (in this example, prison and sack/criminal charges)
I think that the true story of Little Boy Blue about the devastating murder of Rhys Jones the 11 year old boy killed by scum some years ago portrayed this extremely well.
For those who didn't see it, the thugs who murdered him tried to cover it up and showed no remorse whatsoever for his murder.
They caused Rhys's family, school, police and the community untold trouble and additional grief.
In the end, the people responsible for the murder; those that helped and the killer's parents were all convicted of various crimes (perverting the course of justice?) And sent to prison.
Let that be a good example to us all!!! Always best to be honest and face the consequences. "
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