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Astrology is man made-up claptrap and there isn't and nor as there ever being any basis of truth or fact in it. The fact that people believe that somehow a star's position, some millions of light years away, can effect or predict their life makes me question whether we have evolved and indeed become better than the rest of the animal kingdom, ffs! |
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"Astrology is man made-up claptrap and there isn't and nor as there ever being any basis of truth or fact in it. The fact that people believe that somehow a star's position, some millions of light years away, can effect or predict their life makes me question whether we have evolved and indeed become better than the rest of the animal kingdom, ffs! "
A typical Picerian attitude |
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And don't forget that the light we see from the stars are from different points in history depending on how far each one is away!
Many of them may no longer exist, we just don't know it yet! 
But I would be cynical as a Libra* wouldn't I?
(*star sign may or may not be made up ) |
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"Astrology is man made-up claptrap and there isn't and nor as there ever being any basis of truth or fact in it. The fact that people believe that somehow a star's position, some millions of light years away, can effect or predict their life makes me question whether we have evolved and indeed become better than the rest of the animal kingdom, ffs! "
Meh, there are greater things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy. |
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"*pillow fiiiiiight*
What are the rules? Or is it... to the death? 
The rules are.... I win.
There is make up sex afterwards."
I find your terms acceptable  |
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"Astrology is man made-up claptrap and there isn't and nor as there ever being any basis of truth or fact in it. The fact that people believe that somehow a star's position, some millions of light years away, can effect or predict their life makes me question whether we have evolved and indeed become better than the rest of the animal kingdom, ffs! "
For whatever reason we've evolved the need to believe in the unbelievable. Santa Claus, God, getting a meet from here.
Maybe it gives us hope, a reason to keep existing. Rather than face the honest truth that were born to die and in the grand scheme of things, were irrelevant. |
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"Astrology is man made-up claptrap and there isn't and nor as there ever being any basis of truth or fact in it. The fact that people believe that somehow a star's position, some millions of light years away, can effect or predict their life makes me question whether we have evolved and indeed become better than the rest of the animal kingdom, ffs!
For whatever reason we've evolved the need to believe in the unbelievable. Santa Claus, God, getting a meet from here.
Maybe it gives us hope, a reason to keep existing. Rather than face the honest truth that were born to die and in the grand scheme of things, were irrelevant."
Pre-science beliefs that have hung around. |
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"Astrology is man made-up claptrap and there isn't and nor as there ever being any basis of truth or fact in it. The fact that people believe that somehow a star's position, some millions of light years away, can effect or predict their life makes me question whether we have evolved and indeed become better than the rest of the animal kingdom, ffs!
Meh, there are greater things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy. "
No, there's just scientific fact. |
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Science facts are not necessarily fact,,,,,,, before scientists knew of the existence of black holes ,,,,, black holes existed now that's a fact ,,,, before scientists knew the earth wasn't flat,,, it wasn't flat and that's another fact,,,,
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Fair play to you for starting this thread Doc. PC culture would kick up a storm if astrological aetheists didn't have a platform!
Doesn't really matter whether it's true or not anyway, we're all just living in a computer simulation... |
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"it's lets people have an idea when your birthday is.  that's maths right there."
Hell yeah!
I don't believe any of that nonesense, but I need to say I'm a Gemini so everyone knows my birthday is next month   |
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"Astrology is man made-up claptrap and there isn't and nor as there ever being any basis of truth or fact in it. The fact that people believe that somehow a star's position, some millions of light years away, can effect or predict their life makes me question whether we have evolved and indeed become better than the rest of the animal kingdom, ffs!
Meh, there are greater things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
No, there's just scientific fact."
But science only knows a tiny proportion of the 'facts' that are there to be known, sheesh, they don't even understand basic laws like gravity properly yet!
Does autumn come because the leaves turn brown? No, just because a pattern is apparent, does not mean you understand the cause and effect - things may not be as they seem. I have observed repeatable patterns - their explanation may be quite obscure as yet, and my mind is open enough to accept that. Only the arrogant think they know it all. |
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"Science facts are not necessarily fact,,,,,,, before scientists knew of the existence of black holes ,,,,, black holes existed now that's a fact ,,,, before scientists knew the earth wasn't flat,,, it wasn't flat and that's another fact,,,,
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And lets not forget scientific 'fact' changes week by week as new evidence appears!!Only arrogance thinks it knows everything, that's not science, good science is unbiased. |
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There is likely some reality, our theories and then our own perceptions of what we sense and think.
The scientific theories I have bothered to evaluate (very little effort) lead to my perception that astrology is probably bollocks.
However my star sign says that I should be enjoying drinks, so lets enjoy one |
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"There is likely some reality, our theories and then our own perceptions of what we sense and think.
The scientific theories I have bothered to evaluate (very little effort) lead to my perception that astrology is probably bollocks.
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Logically I would say so too. And yet when you do natal charts some astonishing accuracy becomes apparent. So I have decided I may simply not understand cause and effect. For instance, the movement of the planets and the patterns seen in astrology may both be effects of the same cause. |
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"Science facts are not necessarily fact,,,,,,, before scientists knew of the existence of black holes ,,,,, black holes existed now that's a fact ,,,, before scientists knew the earth wasn't flat,,, it wasn't flat and that's another fact,,,,
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I used that black hole analogy the other day someone said they only believe in evidence so I helpfully pointed out that blckhokes had been.....predicted!!!! RESULT! |
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"Science facts are not necessarily fact,,,,,,, before scientists knew of the existence of black holes ,,,,, black holes existed now that's a fact ,,,, before scientists knew the earth wasn't flat,,, it wasn't flat and that's another fact,,,,
I used that black hole analogy the other day someone said they only believe in evidence so I helpfully pointed out that blckhokes had been.....predicted!!!! RESULT! "
OMG..... I've plagiarised Brightonsteve...
I'll never live this down...
That's it I'm turning straight... |
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Of course the daily horoscope is utter tosh. But I don't see what's wrong with the basic idea that we are probably subtly effected by the movements of massive bodies and forces zillions of miles away... it seems sensible to suggest we probably are in some tiny but perhaps curiously important way... Who knows. And as for the idea that being born at different times of the year may make an impact on your personality. This too seems plausible, especially if you grow up in a four season climate where winter babies may develop very different personalities in their formative months from summer ones. I don't see why some of this stuff couldn't turn out to be true.
But of course if you've got the emotional need for all this stuff to not be true so you're not frightened of monsters under the bed then go ahead and doubt it. |
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"Of course the daily horoscope is utter tosh. But I don't see what's wrong with the basic idea that we are probably subtly effected by the movements of massive bodies and forces zillions of miles away... it seems sensible to suggest we probably are in some tiny but perhaps curiously important way... Who knows. And as for the idea that being born at different times of the year may make an impact on your personality. This too seems plausible, especially if you grow up in a four season climate where winter babies may develop very different personalities in their formative months from summer ones. I don't see why some of this stuff couldn't turn out to be true.
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In one way i find it quite laughable to believe that the moon should move the ENTIRE planets oceans twice a day and yet not effect little old me at 70% water in any way whatsoever lol! |
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"Astrology is man made-up claptrap and there isn't and nor as there ever being any basis of truth or fact in it. The fact that people believe that somehow a star's position, some millions of light years away, can effect or predict their life makes me question whether we have evolved and indeed become better than the rest of the animal kingdom, ffs!
Meh, there are greater things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
No, there's just scientific fact.
But science only knows a tiny proportion of the 'facts' that are there to be known, sheesh, they don't even understand basic laws like gravity properly yet!
Does autumn come because the leaves turn brown? No, just because a pattern is apparent, does not mean you understand the cause and effect - things may not be as they seem. I have observed repeatable patterns - their explanation may be quite obscure as yet, and my mind is open enough to accept that. Only the arrogant think they know it all."
We have seasons, autumn etc, because the earth is tilted and leaves turn brown because plants react to ever decreasing hours of sunlight.
As for gravity, it is an extremely weak force, in relative terms. Look at a fridge magnet, now the full gravitational pull of the earth can't pull that magnet off the fridge so what effect can an heavenly body billions of miles away have on people, let alone the fact that it isn't actually where we see it anymore....not arrogant, just educated based upon observed facts.
Next people'll be saying Feng Shui is real or works. |
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We have seasons, autumn etc, because the earth is tilted and leaves turn brown because plants react to ever decreasing hours of sunlight.
Exactly. You missed my point entirely.
we see it anymore....not arrogant, just educated based upon observed facts.
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Ah but you have not observed the facts, clearly. I am saying I have - and whilst the movement of distant planets may not have caused the patterns - the patterns remain nontheless.
It is simply an observation - an observation of a predictable, repeatable pattern. It ain't rocket science! |
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Does autumn come because the leaves turn brown? No, just because a pattern is apparent, does not mean you understand the cause and effect - things may not be as they seem.
We have seasons, autumn etc, because the earth is tilted and leaves turn brown because plants react to ever decreasing hours of sunlight.
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You have missed my point completely - sorry, that was not clear in the post above so I have repeated. |
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I don't belive in astrolgy, in terms of stars affecting us.
However, ultimately we are animals. What if people born in coldest winter, evolutionary tended to have certain characteristics due to being born in January?
I.e not do do with stars but definite conditions on Earth?
Sometimes things can have reasons beyond what are the claimed reasons.
I don't believe in it, but sometimes we need to look beyond the obvious, especially if we claim to have a scientific outlook. |
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Does autumn come because the leaves turn brown? No, just because a pattern is apparent, does not mean you understand the cause and effect - things may not be as they seem.
We have seasons, autumn etc, because the earth is tilted and leaves turn brown because plants react to ever decreasing hours of sunlight.
You have missed my point completely - sorry, that was not clear in the post above so I have repeated."
I didn't miss your point I just think you're delusional, sorry. |
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"As for gravity, it is an extremely weak force, in relative terms. Look at a fridge magnet, now the full gravitational pull of the earth can't pull that magnet off the fridge so what effect can an heavenly body billions of miles away have on people, let alone the fact that it isn't actually where we see it anymore....not arrogant, just educated based upon observed facts."
You're absolutely right. We should stop asking questions and just accept current science as final and finished. "Hey I wonder if super subtle forces have any observable effect on super subtle reactions in the human body?" No need to ask. No need to look. Logic already tells us what we'll find without even looking. Just look at a fridge magnet.
Way to go. Bring back the glory days of science before Galileo came along and messed it all up by saying science shouldn't be dictated by what we believe is the case but should instead enquire and test things. Sometimes the so called defenders of science are its worst enemies  |
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"Of course the daily horoscope is utter tosh. But I don't see what's wrong with the basic idea that we are probably subtly effected by the movements of massive bodies and forces zillions of miles away... it seems sensible to suggest we probably are in some tiny but perhaps curiously important way... Who knows. And as for the idea that being born at different times of the year may make an impact on your personality. This too seems plausible, especially if you grow up in a four season climate where winter babies may develop very different personalities in their formative months from summer ones. I don't see why some of this stuff couldn't turn out to be true.
In one way i find it quite laughable to believe that the moon should move the ENTIRE planets oceans twice a day and yet not effect little old me at 70% water in any way whatsoever lol! "
Then all you need to do is understand why some water masses are affected more than others
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"Of course the daily horoscope is utter tosh. But I don't see what's wrong with the basic idea that we are probably subtly effected by the movements of massive bodies and forces zillions of miles away... it seems sensible to suggest we probably are in some tiny but perhaps curiously important way... Who knows. And as for the idea that being born at different times of the year may make an impact on your personality. This too seems plausible, especially if you grow up in a four season climate where winter babies may develop very different personalities in their formative months from summer ones. I don't see why some of this stuff couldn't turn out to be true.
In one way i find it quite laughable to believe that the moon should move the ENTIRE planets oceans twice a day and yet not effect little old me at 70% water in any way whatsoever lol! "
It does affect you. You weigh very slightly less when the moon is directly overhead than when it is on the other side of the planet... you just don't feel it. |
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"Of course the daily horoscope is utter tosh. But I don't see what's wrong with the basic idea that we are probably subtly effected by the movements of massive bodies and forces zillions of miles away... it seems sensible to suggest we probably are in some tiny but perhaps curiously important way... Who knows. And as for the idea that being born at different times of the year may make an impact on your personality. This too seems plausible, especially if you grow up in a four season climate where winter babies may develop very different personalities in their formative months from summer ones. I don't see why some of this stuff couldn't turn out to be true.
In one way i find it quite laughable to believe that the moon should move the ENTIRE planets oceans twice a day and yet not effect little old me at 70% water in any way whatsoever lol!
It does affect you. You weigh very slightly less when the moon is directly overhead than when it is on the other side of the planet... you just don't feel it. "
So with elegant logic, it follows that ALL celestial bodies have an effect on us, even if it's infinitesimally small, including stars far, far away. |
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"Astrology is man made-up claptrap and there isn't and nor as there ever being any basis of truth or fact in it. The fact that people believe that somehow a star's position, some millions of light years away, can effect or predict their life makes me question whether we have evolved and indeed become better than the rest of the animal kingdom, ffs! "
have you got a Hubble telescope?
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"Astrology is man made-up claptrap and there isn't and nor as there ever being any basis of truth or fact in it. The fact that people believe that somehow a star's position, some millions of light years away, can effect or predict their life makes me question whether we have evolved and indeed become better than the rest of the animal kingdom, ffs! "
The fact that the star positions do not effect our life directly
but it is a proven fact that people born in the spring have different personalities to people born in winter and it works for all the seasons .
The star constellations are in the same place each year it follows that early folk made the connection that they were linked |
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"I don't belive in astrolgy, in terms of stars affecting us.
However, ultimately we are animals. What if people born in coldest winter, evolutionary tended to have certain characteristics due to being born in January?
I.e not do do with stars but definite conditions on Earth?
Sometimes things can have reasons beyond what are the claimed reasons.
I don't believe in it, but sometimes we need to look beyond the obvious, especially if we claim to have a scientific outlook."
Exactly. |
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"Astrology is man made-up claptrap and there isn't and nor as there ever being any basis of truth or fact in it. The fact that people believe that somehow a star's position, some millions of light years away, can effect or predict their life makes me question whether we have evolved and indeed become better than the rest of the animal kingdom, ffs!
The fact that the star positions do not effect our life directly
but it is a proven fact that people born in the spring have different personalities to people born in winter and it works for all the seasons .
The star constellations are in the same place each year it follows that early folk made the connection that they were linked "
So you're saying that I have exactly the same personality as everybody who was ever born in November (cue some clever t**t now saying I'm just like a true Sagittarian) irrespective of how we all were brought up, our social background or even our parents financial status among numerous other variables? |
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"Astrology is man made-up claptrap and there isn't and nor as there ever being any basis of truth or fact in it. The fact that people believe that somehow a star's position, some millions of light years away, can effect or predict their life makes me question whether we have evolved and indeed become better than the rest of the animal kingdom, ffs!
The fact that the star positions do not effect our life directly
but it is a proven fact that people born in the spring have different personalities to people born in winter and it works for all the seasons .
The star constellations are in the same place each year it follows that early folk made the connection that they were linked "
Exactly. You may need to look beneath the surface to understand things that appear ridiculous on the surface. |
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Quite often throughout history those with strong personal views have proved to be less than open minded to views of others, for centuries, for example, the Ptolemaic view of the heavens was thought to be true. We now know it's not. But those people believed themselves to be intelligent, educated , open minded and scientifically curious people. One would hope that we can learn from the past...... |
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"Astrology is man made-up claptrap and there isn't and nor as there ever being any basis of truth or fact in it. The fact that people believe that somehow a star's position, some millions of light years away, can effect or predict their life makes me question whether we have evolved and indeed become better than the rest of the animal kingdom, ffs!
The fact that the star positions do not effect our life directly
but it is a proven fact that people born in the spring have different personalities to people born in winter and it works for all the seasons .
The star constellations are in the same place each year it follows that early folk made the connection that they were linked
So you're saying that I have exactly the same personality as everybody who was ever born in November (cue some clever t**t now saying I'm just like a true Sagittarian) irrespective of how we all were brought up, our social background or even our parents financial status among numerous other variables?"
See you don't even understand the proposition lol, talk about straw dogs. ...!! |
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Does autumn come because the leaves turn brown? No, just because a pattern is apparent, does not mean you understand the cause and effect - things may not be as they seem.
We have seasons, autumn etc, because the earth is tilted and leaves turn brown because plants react to ever decreasing hours of sunlight.
You have missed my point completely - sorry, that was not clear in the post above so I have repeated.
I didn't miss your point I just think you're delusional, sorry. "
Is a petty insult your best argument? You only demonstrate a dogma based on ignorance I am afraid, the data is way more complex than you realise! |
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Does autumn come because the leaves turn brown? No, just because a pattern is apparent, does not mean you understand the cause and effect - things may not be as they seem.
We have seasons, autumn etc, because the earth is tilted and leaves turn brown because plants react to ever decreasing hours of sunlight.
You have missed my point completely - sorry, that was not clear in the post above so I have repeated.
I didn't miss your point I just think you're delusional, sorry.
Is a petty insult your best argument? You only demonstrate a dogma based on ignorance I am afraid, the data is way more complex than you realise! "
I'm prepared to be enlightened. |
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Does autumn come because the leaves turn brown? No, just because a pattern is apparent, does not mean you understand the cause and effect - things may not be as they seem.
We have seasons, autumn etc, because the earth is tilted and leaves turn brown because plants react to ever decreasing hours of sunlight.
You have missed my point completely - sorry, that was not clear in the post above so I have repeated.
I didn't miss your point I just think you're delusional, sorry.
Is a petty insult your best argument? You only demonstrate a dogma based on ignorance I am afraid, the data is way more complex than you realise!
I'm prepared to be enlightened. "
So you'll Lend us a tenner then |
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Does autumn come because the leaves turn brown? No, just because a pattern is apparent, does not mean you understand the cause and effect - things may not be as they seem.
We have seasons, autumn etc, because the earth is tilted and leaves turn brown because plants react to ever decreasing hours of sunlight.
You have missed my point completely - sorry, that was not clear in the post above so I have repeated.
I didn't miss your point I just think you're delusional, sorry.
Is a petty insult your best argument? You only demonstrate a dogma based on ignorance I am afraid, the data is way more complex than you realise!
I'm prepared to be ienlightened. "
I doubt it, you'd have to be open minded and motivated enough spend some time researching the subject in sufficient depth, and I see no evidence of that lol! |
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"Astrology is man made-up claptrap and there isn't and nor as there ever being any basis of truth or fact in it. The fact that people believe that somehow a star's position, some millions of light years away, can effect or predict their life makes me question whether we have evolved and indeed become better than the rest of the animal kingdom, ffs!
The fact that the star positions do not effect our life directly
but it is a proven fact that people born in the spring have different personalities to people born in winter and it works for all the seasons .
The star constellations are in the same place each year it follows that early folk made the connection that they were linked
Exactly. You may need to look beneath the surface to understand things that appear ridiculous on the surface. "
Actually this perspective appears to be very narrow minded xxx
The planet is a sphere , it is NOT spring autumn summer or winter on earth
A person born in spring UK will have a totally different experience from one born in March in Zimbabwe
The gravity from anything other than the moon will have slight to no impact upon the working of the planet and even less upon its people , the moon may have an impact upon some people in some places but this would have zero to do with birth date
The concept is fundamentally floored , and is abused by articulate humans who know how to massage the feeble ego and manipulate the vast number of psychological manipulation tricks that can be learnt and understood x |
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Does autumn come because the leaves turn brown? No, just because a pattern is apparent, does not mean you understand the cause and effect - things may not be as they seem.
We have seasons, autumn etc, because the earth is tilted and leaves turn brown because plants react to ever decreasing hours of sunlight.
You have missed my point completely - sorry, that was not clear in the post above so I have repeated.
I didn't miss your point I just think you're delusional, sorry.
Is a petty insult your best argument? You only demonstrate a dogma based on ignorance I am afraid, the data is way more complex than you realise!
I'm prepared to be enlightened.
So you'll Lend us a tenner then "
Lend no, give definitely! was my first thought but then the penny dropped! |
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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Mankind needs things to believe in but proof denies faith so as soon as something is 'proved' (in so much as anything iz ever 100% proved) we needa new hope to believe in.
Sorry for the ramble. Bad day coming tomorrow.
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Does autumn come because the leaves turn brown? No, just because a pattern is apparent, does not mean you understand the cause and effect - things may not be as they seem.
We have seasons, autumn etc, because the earth is tilted and leaves turn brown because plants react to ever decreasing hours of sunlight.
You have missed my point completely - sorry, that was not clear in the post above so I have repeated.
I didn't miss your point I just think you're delusional, sorry.
Is a petty insult your best argument? You only demonstrate a dogma based on ignorance I am afraid, the data is way more complex than you realise!
I'm prepared to be ienlightened.
I doubt it, you'd have to be open minded and motivated enough spend some time researching the subject in sufficient depth, and I see no evidence of that lol!"
Now who's suffering from "dogma based on ignorance"? |
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We don't understand fully the effects of gravity so no one can say for sure that distant objects definitely have no effect on humans. The word 'lunatic' relates to the effect the moon had on people too, I might add. Gravitational waves don't stop, they just become too weak for us to measure. |
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"Astrology is man made-up claptrap and there isn't and nor as there ever being any basis of truth or fact in it. The fact that people believe that somehow a star's position, some millions of light years away, can effect or predict their life makes me question whether we have evolved and indeed become better than the rest of the animal kingdom, ffs!
A typical Picerian attitude "
It's not, Pisceans are spiritual and all seeing.
He's got t be a Virgo |
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"Astrology is man made-up claptrap and there isn't and nor as there ever being any basis of truth or fact in it. The fact that people believe that somehow a star's position, some millions of light years away, can effect or predict their life makes me question whether we have evolved and indeed become better than the rest of the animal kingdom, ffs! "
And how many of the animal kingdom can open the Sun to read their stars?? Eh, eh...
Except Leonines of course...
P.S. *affect |
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"Of course the daily horoscope is utter tosh. But I don't see what's wrong with the basic idea that we are probably subtly effected by the movements of massive bodies and forces zillions of miles away... it seems sensible to suggest we probably are in some tiny but perhaps curiously important way... Who knows. And as for the idea that being born at different times of the year may make an impact on your personality. This too seems plausible, especially if you grow up in a four season climate where winter babies may develop very different personalities in their formative months from summer ones. I don't see why some of this stuff couldn't turn out to be true.
In one way i find it quite laughable to believe that the moon should move the ENTIRE planets oceans twice a day and yet not effect little old me at 70% water in any way whatsoever lol! "
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You have missed my point completely - sorry, that was not clear in the post above so I have repeated.
I didn't miss your point I just think you're delusional, sorry.
Is a petty insult your best argument? You only demonstrate a dogma based on ignorance I am afraid, the data is way more complex than you realise!
I'm prepared to be ienlightened.
I doubt it, you'd have to be open minded and motivated enough spend some time researching the subject in sufficient depth, and I see no evidence of that lol!
Now who's suffering from "dogma based on ignorance"?"
Sorry mate, you did miss her point. She is giving autumn as an example. The brown leaves are an effect of something not the cause.
Ie star sign personalities aren't caused by the stars but potentially something else coincidental to them.
Your response was to explain about the microscopic gravity of those consteallations.
We know that.
I'm an engineer and dont believe in astrolgy. The point being made is that sometimes the causes of things aren't clear and there can be effects whose causes aren't those initially claimed. |
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Does autumn come because the leaves turn brown? No, just because a pattern is apparent, does not mean you understand the cause and effect - things may not be as they seem.
We have seasons, autumn etc, because the earth is tilted and leaves turn brown because plants react to ever decreasing hours of sunlight.
You have missed my point completely - sorry, that was not clear in the post above so I have repeated.
I didn't miss your point I just think you're delusional, sorry.
Is a petty insult your best argument? You only demonstrate a dogma based on ignorance I am afraid, the data is way more complex than you realise!
I'm prepared to be ienlightened.
I doubt it, you'd have to be open minded and motivated enough spend some time researching the subject in sufficient depth, and I see no evidence of that lol!
Now who's suffering from "dogma based on ignorance"?"
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Op, do you think people gain some comfort from whatever belief they have? Like religion perhaps?
Faith is about not requiring proof.
Knocking people's beliefs simply shows arrogance and disrespect.
Although,just as studies show that celebrity endorsements do not one jot to sway voters' opinions, I don't think any dedicated astrologers will be tearing their hair out over yours.
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"We don't understand fully the effects of gravity so no one can say for sure that distant objects definitely have no effect on humans. The word 'lunatic' relates to the effect the moon had on people too, I might add. Gravitational waves don't stop, they just become too weak for us to measure. "
A dually perceived effected the moon had on people. There is no evidence whatsoever of a direct link between the moon and people's mental state other that their own perception, no more crimes or incidents occur just because it is a full moon other than what people deliberately undertake...."a little education is a dangerous thing!" |
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"Of course the daily horoscope is utter tosh. But I don't see what's wrong with the basic idea that we are probably subtly effected by the movements of massive bodies and forces zillions of miles away... it seems sensible to suggest we probably are in some tiny but perhaps curiously important way... Who knows. And as for the idea that being born at different times of the year may make an impact on your personality. This too seems plausible, especially if you grow up in a four season climate where winter babies may develop very different personalities in their formative months from summer ones. I don't see why some of this stuff couldn't turn out to be true.
In one way i find it quite laughable to believe that the moon should move the ENTIRE planets oceans twice a day and yet not effect little old me at 70% water in any way whatsoever lol! .
That's because it doesn't! "
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"Astrology is man made-up claptrap and there isn't and nor as there ever being any basis of truth or fact in it. The fact that people believe that somehow a star's position, some millions of light years away, can effect or predict their life makes me question whether we have evolved and indeed become better than the rest of the animal kingdom, ffs!
For whatever reason we've evolved the need to believe in the unbelievable. Santa Claus, God, getting a meet from here.
Maybe it gives us hope, a reason to keep existing. Rather than face the honest truth that were born to die and in the grand scheme of things, were irrelevant."
Whoa, hang on there Tonto, so, what your saying is, if we get a meet from here, then God and Santa exist? |
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"Of course the daily horoscope is utter tosh. But I don't see what's wrong with the basic idea that we are probably subtly effected by the movements of massive bodies and forces zillions of miles away... it seems sensible to suggest we probably are in some tiny but perhaps curiously important way... Who knows. And as for the idea that being born at different times of the year may make an impact on your personality. This too seems plausible, especially if you grow up in a four season climate where winter babies may develop very different personalities in their formative months from summer ones. I don't see why some of this stuff couldn't turn out to be true.
In one way i find it quite laughable to believe that the moon should move the ENTIRE planets oceans twice a day and yet not effect little old me at 70% water in any way whatsoever lol! .
That's because it doesn't!
You don't know that - it logically must in some way. "
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You have missed my point completely - sorry, that was not clear in the post above so I have repeated.
I didn't miss your point I just think you're delusional, sorry.
Is a petty insult your best argument? You only demonstrate a dogma based on ignorance I am afraid, the data is way more complex than you realise!
I'm prepared to be ienlightened.
I doubt it, you'd have to be open minded and motivated enough spend some time researching the subject in sufficient depth, and I see no evidence of that lol!
Now who's suffering from "dogma based on ignorance"?
Sorry mate, you did miss her point. She is giving autumn as an example. The brown leaves are an effect of something not the cause.
Ie star sign personalities aren't caused by the stars but potentially something else coincidental to them.
Your response was to explain about the microscopic gravity of those consteallations.
We know that.
I'm an engineer and dont believe in astrolgy. The point being made is that sometimes the causes of things aren't clear and there can be effects whose causes aren't those initially claimed."
Yup. And that's why I am happy to remain open-minded about all nature of things we do not fully understand. |
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"Of course the daily horoscope is utter tosh. But I don't see what's wrong with the basic idea that we are probably subtly effected by the movements of massive bodies and forces zillions of miles away... it seems sensible to suggest we probably are in some tiny but perhaps curiously important way... Who knows. And as for the idea that being born at different times of the year may make an impact on your personality. This too seems plausible, especially if you grow up in a four season climate where winter babies may develop very different personalities in their formative months from summer ones. I don't see why some of this stuff couldn't turn out to be true.
In one way i find it quite laughable to believe that the moon should move the ENTIRE planets oceans twice a day and yet not effect little old me at 70% water in any way whatsoever lol! .
That's because it doesn't!
You don't know that - it logically must in some way. .
No it really doesn't I'm afraid"
What people always forget when they churn out that erroneous "fact" is that we actually stand on something all the time with a significantly greater gravitational force and people just the fact. |
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"Its just a common misconception that people make"
Mmmm-hmmm, ok.
Postepy Hig Med Dosw (Online). 2006;60:1-7.
The lunar cycle: effects on human and animal behavior and physiology.
Zimecki M1.
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Abstract
Human and animal physiology are subject to seasonal, lunar, and circadian rhythms. Although the seasonal and circadian rhythms have been fairly well described, little is known about the effects of the lunar cycle on the behavior and physiology of humans and animals. The lunar cycle has an impact on human reproduction, in particular fertility, menstruation, and birth rate. Melatonin levels appear to correlate with the menstrual cycle. Admittance to hospitals and emergency units because of various causes (cardiovascular and acute coronary events, variceal hemorrhage, diarrhea, urinary retention) correlated with moon phases. In addition, other events associated with human behavior, such as traffic accidents, crimes, and suicides, appeared to be influenced by the lunar cycle. However, a number of reports find no correlation between the lunar cycle and human reproduction and admittance to clinics and emergency units. Animal studies revealed that the lunar cycle may affect hormonal changes early in phylogenesis (insects). In fish the lunar clock influences reproduction and involves the hypothalamus-pituitary-gonadal axis. In birds, the daily variations in melatonin and corticosterone disappear during full-moon days. The lunar cycle also exerts effects on laboratory rats with regard to taste sensitivity and the ultrastructure of pineal gland cells. Cyclic variations related to the moon's phases in the magnitude of the humoral immune response of mice to polivinylpyrrolidone and sheep erythrocytes were also described. It is suggested that melatonin and endogenous steroids may mediate the described cyclic alterations of physiological processes. The release of neurohormones may be triggered by the electromagnetic radiation and/or the gravitational pull of the moon. Although the exact mechanism of the moon's influence on humans and animals awaits further exploration, knowledge of this kind of biorhythm may be helpful in police surveillance, medical practice, and investigations involving laboratory animals.
PMID: 16407788
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What people always forget when they churn out that erroneous "fact" is that we actually stand on something all the time with a significantly greater gravitational force and people just the fact."
I don't think it influences. But why do you call it an erroneous fact?
Yes the earths gravity influences more, but in those periods of time the moons gravity reduces it slightly.
Do you know for a fact that doesnt affect biochmistry or physiology in any way whatoever?
I don't think it would but am scientific enough to not disregard ideas based on my limited understanding. |
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"Of course the daily horoscope is utter tosh. But I don't see what's wrong with the basic idea that we are probably subtly effected by the movements of massive bodies and forces zillions of miles away... it seems sensible to suggest we probably are in some tiny but perhaps curiously important way... Who knows. And as for the idea that being born at different times of the year may make an impact on your personality. This too seems plausible, especially if you grow up in a four season climate where winter babies may develop very different personalities in their formative months from summer ones. I don't see why some of this stuff couldn't turn out to be true.
In one way i find it quite laughable to believe that the moon should move the ENTIRE planets oceans twice a day and yet not effect little old me at 70% water in any way whatsoever lol! .
That's because it doesn't!
You don't know that - it logically must in some way. .
No it really doesn't I'm afraid
What people always forget when they churn out that erroneous "fact" is that we actually stand on something all the time with a significantly greater gravitational force and people just the fact."
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The moons gravity bulges the oceans out in the middle and the earth spins through the bulges and dips rotating once every 24 hours giving you two high and two low tides, in reality the oceans didn't move the earth did as the moon is relatively fixed in position in that 24hr period, you need the position of the moon to move and the earth to move to give you spring high tides and low tides, plus you get higher tidal movements in places because the earth is at a tilt.
Saying it gets pulled around by the moon twice a day is a little erroneous |
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"Its just a common misconception that people make
Mmmm-hmmm, ok.
Postepy Hig Med Dosw (Online). 2006;60:1-7.
The lunar cycle: effects on human and animal behavior and physiology.
Zimecki M1.
Author information
Abstract
Human and animal physiology are subject to seasonal, lunar, and circadian rhythms. Although the seasonal and circadian rhythms have been fairly well described, little is known about the effects of the lunar cycle on the behavior and physiology of humans and animals. The lunar cycle has an impact on human reproduction, in particular fertility, menstruation, and birth rate. Melatonin levels appear to correlate with the menstrual cycle. Admittance to hospitals and emergency units because of various causes (cardiovascular and acute coronary events, variceal hemorrhage, diarrhea, urinary retention) correlated with moon phases. In addition, other events associated with human behavior, such as traffic accidents, crimes, and suicides, appeared to be influenced by the lunar cycle. However, a number of reports find no correlation between the lunar cycle and human reproduction and admittance to clinics and emergency units. Animal studies revealed that the lunar cycle may affect hormonal changes early in phylogenesis (insects). In fish the lunar clock influences reproduction and involves the hypothalamus-pituitary-gonadal axis. In birds, the daily variations in melatonin and corticosterone disappear during full-moon days. The lunar cycle also exerts effects on laboratory rats with regard to taste sensitivity and the ultrastructure of pineal gland cells. Cyclic variations related to the moon's phases in the magnitude of the humoral immune response of mice to polivinylpyrrolidone and sheep erythrocytes were also described. It is suggested that melatonin and endogenous steroids may mediate the described cyclic alterations of physiological processes. The release of neurohormones may be triggered by the electromagnetic radiation and/or the gravitational pull of the moon. Although the exact mechanism of the moon's influence on humans and animals awaits further exploration, knowledge of this kind of biorhythm may be helpful in police surveillance, medical practice, and investigations involving laboratory animals.
PMID: 16407788
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It would have been easier to point out your menstrual cycle of 28 days
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In one way i find it quite laughable to believe that the moon should move the ENTIRE planets oceans twice a day and yet not effect little old me at 70% water in any way whatsoever lol! .
That's because it doesn't!
You don't know that - it logically must in some way. .
No it really doesn't I'm afraid
What people always forget when they churn out that erroneous "fact" is that we actually stand on something all the time with a significantly greater gravitational force and people just the fact..
The moons gravity bulges the oceans out in the middle and the earth spins through the bulges and dips rotating once every 24 hours giving you two high and two low tides, in reality the oceans didn't move the earth did as the moon is relatively fixed in position in that 24hr period, you need the position of the moon to move and the earth to move to give you spring high tides and low tides, plus you get higher tidal movements in places because the earth is at a tilt.
Saying it gets pulled around by the moon twice a day is a little erroneous "
Haha, ok, then I'll just say 'The moons gravity bulges the oceans out in the middle and the earth spins through the bulges and dips rotating once every 24 hours giving you two high and two low tides'.
Cause and effect was the only point. |
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Mmmm-hmmm, ok.
Postepy Hig Med Dosw (Online). 2006;60:1-7.
The lunar cycle: effects on human and animal behavior and physiology.
Zimecki M1.
Author information
Abstract
Human and animal physiology are subject to seasonal, lunar, and circadian rhythms. Although the seasonal and circadian rhythms have been fairly well described, little is known about the effects of the lunar cycle on the behavior and physiology of humans and animals. The lunar cycle has an impact on human reproduction, in particular fertility, menstruation, and birth rate. Melatonin levels appear to correlate with the menstrual cycle. Admittance to hospitals and emergency units because of various causes (cardiovascular and acute coronary events, variceal hemorrhage, diarrhea, urinary retention) correlated with moon phases. In addition, other events associated with human behavior, such as traffic accidents, crimes, and suicides, appeared to be influenced by the lunar cycle. However, a number of reports find no correlation between the lunar cycle and human reproduction and admittance to clinics and emergency units. Animal studies revealed that the lunar cycle may affect hormonal changes early in phylogenesis (insects). In fish the lunar clock influences reproduction and involves the hypothalamus-pituitary-gonadal axis. In birds, the daily variations in melatonin and corticosterone disappear during full-moon days. The lunar cycle also exerts effects on laboratory rats with regard to taste sensitivity and the ultrastructure of pineal gland cells. Cyclic variations related to the moon's phases in the magnitude of the humoral immune response of mice to polivinylpyrrolidone and sheep erythrocytes were also described. It is suggested that melatonin and endogenous steroids may mediate the described cyclic alterations of physiological processes. The release of neurohormones may be triggered by the electromagnetic radiation and/or the gravitational pull of the moon. Although the exact mechanism of the moon's influence on humans and animals awaits further exploration, knowledge of this kind of biorhythm may be helpful in police surveillance, medical practice, and investigations involving laboratory animals.
PMID: 16407788
[Indexed for MEDLINE] .
It would have been easier to point out your menstrual cycle of 28 days
Are you on or off at the moment"
You might want to think about that questions for a moment.
Menstrual cycles were obvious, I didn't know about effects on the h-p-a axis or neuro-chemistry though being open-minded I am not surprised. |
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"Its just a common misconception that people make
Mmmm-hmmm, ok.
Postepy Hig Med Dosw (Online). 2006;60:1-7.
The lunar cycle: effects on human and animal behavior and physiology.
Zimecki M1.
Author information
Abstract
Human and animal physiology are subject to seasonal, lunar, and circadian rhythms. Although the seasonal and circadian rhythms have been fairly well described, little is known about the effects of the lunar cycle on the behavior and physiology of humans and animals. The lunar cycle has an impact on human reproduction, in particular fertility, menstruation, and birth rate. Melatonin levels appear to correlate with the menstrual cycle. Admittance to hospitals and emergency units because of various causes (cardiovascular and acute coronary events, variceal hemorrhage, diarrhea, urinary retention) correlated with moon phases. In addition, other events associated with human behavior, such as traffic accidents, crimes, and suicides, appeared to be influenced by the lunar cycle. However, a number of reports find no correlation between the lunar cycle and human reproduction and admittance to clinics and emergency units. Animal studies revealed that the lunar cycle may affect hormonal changes early in phylogenesis (insects). In fish the lunar clock influences reproduction and involves the hypothalamus-pituitary-gonadal axis. In birds, the daily variations in melatonin and corticosterone disappear during full-moon days. The lunar cycle also exerts effects on laboratory rats with regard to taste sensitivity and the ultrastructure of pineal gland cells. Cyclic variations related to the moon's phases in the magnitude of the humoral immune response of mice to polivinylpyrrolidone and sheep erythrocytes were also described. It is suggested that melatonin and endogenous steroids may mediate the described cyclic alterations of physiological processes. The release of neurohormones may be triggered by the electromagnetic radiation and/or the gravitational pull of the moon. Although the exact mechanism of the moon's influence on humans and animals awaits further exploration, knowledge of this kind of biorhythm may be helpful in police surveillance, medical practice, and investigations involving laboratory animals.
PMID: 16407788
[Indexed for MEDLINE] .
It would have been easier to point out your menstrual cycle of 28 days
Are you on or off at the moment
You might want to think about that questions for a moment.
Menstrual cycles were obvious, I didn't know about effects on the h-p-a axis or neuro-chemistry though being open-minded I am not surprised. "
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See I'm not the big sceptic you took me for!.
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"Astrology is man made-up claptrap and there isn't and nor as there ever being any basis of truth or fact in it. The fact that people believe that somehow a star's position, some millions of light years away, can effect or predict their life makes me question whether we have evolved and indeed become better than the rest of the animal kingdom, ffs! "
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"Of course the daily horoscope is utter tosh. But I don't see what's wrong with the basic idea that we are probably subtly effected by the movements of massive bodies and forces zillions of miles away... it seems sensible to suggest we probably are in some tiny but perhaps curiously important way... Who knows. And as for the idea that being born at different times of the year may make an impact on your personality. This too seems plausible, especially if you grow up in a four season climate where winter babies may develop very different personalities in their formative months from summer ones. I don't see why some of this stuff couldn't turn out to be true.
In one way i find it quite laughable to believe that the moon should move the ENTIRE planets oceans twice a day and yet not effect little old me at 70% water in any way whatsoever lol! .
That's because it doesn't!
You don't know that - it logically must in some way. .
No it really doesn't I'm afraid"
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In one way i find it quite laughable to believe that the moon should move the ENTIRE planets oceans twice a day and yet not effect little old me at 70% water in any way whatsoever lol! .
That's because it doesn't!
You don't know that - it logically must in some way. .
No it really doesn't I'm afraid "
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""See I'm not the big sceptic you took me for!."
I see no evidence to support that claim! "
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""See I'm not the big sceptic you took me for!."
I see no evidence to support that claim! .
Ah but remember evidence changes on weekly basis!
I predict in one week you'll see me in a different light "
I have no problem with that - I'm the open minded one remember, new evidence is always welcome!
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