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"It depends on where the cycle lane is or how big it is. We have a cycle lane which is not segregated on a footpath. I will use it when I have my sons but on my own on a road bike I use the road as me traveling at 20mph on a footpath is dangerous and the road has two lanes so plenty of space for cats to pull out around me. One cycle lane on my way to work disappears beside a traffic island. So how does that work? Also why do we have to?" Do cats generally overtake you?  | |||
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"Why don't they bloody use them " There aren't many cycle lanes on the routes I use so what do you propose? | |||
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"Why don't they bloody use them There aren't many cycle lanes on the routes I use so what do you propose? " Probably to use them where you can | |||
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"It depends on where the cycle lane is or how big it is. We have a cycle lane which is not segregated on a footpath. I will use it when I have my sons but on my own on a road bike I use the road as me traveling at 20mph on a footpath is dangerous and the road has two lanes so plenty of space for cats to pull out around me. One cycle lane on my way to work disappears beside a traffic island. So how does that work? Also why do we have to? Do cats generally overtake you? "There are a few cats on my road that like to run next to me when I'm on my bike. They have never over taken me though | |||
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To be fair I usually turn round and ignore them until they say excuse me, same with people huffing and puffing when I'm walking with my toddler instead of saying "Excuse me"  Usually the same folks who leave trollies in the middle of the aisle
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"It depends on where the cycle lane is or how big it is. We have a cycle lane which is not segregated on a footpath. I will use it when I have my sons but on my own on a road bike I use the road as me traveling at 20mph on a footpath is dangerous and the road has two lanes so plenty of space for cats to pull out around me. One cycle lane on my way to work disappears beside a traffic island. So how does that work? Also why do we have to? Do cats generally overtake you? "
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"Doesn't really bother me unless I'm walking along and sense something behind me and turn to see a cyclist looming and cycling mega slow.. either go round me, say something or ring your bell you weirdo, I can't hear that well at times
To be fair I usually turn round and ignore them until they say excuse me, same with people huffing and puffing when I'm walking with my toddler instead of saying "Excuse me" Usually the same folks who leave trollies in the middle of the aisle
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"Why don't car drivers use the highway code to avoid the need for cycle lanes?! And for balance.... Why don't Cyclists use the highway code to avoid being hit by car drivers? " Can't argue with that logic  | |||
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"I saw two cyclists collide, one was in the cycle Lane and the other was one of those who doesn't understand colours on a traffic light. "Why was that funny? | |||
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"Anyone remember Augustus Windsock ? "Vaguely | |||
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"Anyone remember Augustus Windsock ? "I struggle to r ember July sunny days....never mind August windy ones. | |||
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"Anyone remember Augustus Windsock ? "https://youtu.be/yfVp40o159E | |||
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"Doesn't really bother me unless I'm walking along and sense something behind me and turn to see a cyclist looming and cycling mega slow.. either go round me, say something or ring your bell you weirdo, I can't hear that well at times
To be fair I usually turn round and ignore them until they say excuse me, same with people huffing and puffing when I'm walking with my toddler instead of saying "Excuse me" Usually the same folks who leave trollies in the middle of the aisle
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"Why don't they bloody use them " Because legally we don't have to and often the infrastructure is poorly thought out meaning tge road is by far the safest option for road users and pedestrians alike | |||
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"I saw two cyclists collide, one was in the cycle Lane and the other was one of those who doesn't understand colours on a traffic light.
Why was that funny? "That is something I would also laugh at
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"I saw two cyclists collide, one was in the cycle Lane and the other was one of those who doesn't understand colours on a traffic light. "you must be an absolute scream if you think that's funny | |||
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" Why don't car drivers use buses?" Because they only come here three times a week.  | |||
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"Why don't cyclists pay road tax .?" Nobody pay road tax it's vehicle tax and the majority of cyclists own a vehicle | |||
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"Why don't car drivers use the highway code to avoid the need for cycle lanes?! And for balance.... Why don't Cyclists use the highway code to avoid being hit by car drivers? " To drive a car on the public road you need it to be roadworthy, insured, and have passed a knowledge test to know the law and rules of the road. To ride a bike on the public road you need.....err just a bike!  | |||
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"Why don't cyclists pay road tax .?" They do don't they if they drive a car as well ? | |||
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"Why don't car drivers use the highway code to avoid the need for cycle lanes?! And for balance.... Why don't Cyclists use the highway code to avoid being hit by car drivers? To drive a car on the public road you need it to be roadworthy, insured, and have passed a knowledge test to know the law and rules of the road. To ride a bike on the public road you need.....err just a bike! "Right, what's your point? | |||
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"Why don't cyclists pay road tax .?" You mean the Vehicle Excise Duty that as based on emissions? Cyclists would would pay nothing anyway. | |||
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"So if there is a cycle lane on a narrow lane you would rather ride on the road and risk your safety plus I see alot of cyclists jump red lights what's that all about are you above the law I drive a Lorry for a living I find it frustrating that cyclists can do what ever they please " This Cyclists are dick heads. Don't tar them all with the same brush. Much like not all lorry drivers are fat and lazy and smelly, just some | |||
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" I see alot of cyclists jump red lights what's that all about are you above the law. " And I suppose car and lorry drivers never jump red lights do they? | |||
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"Why don't car drivers use the highway code to avoid the need for cycle lanes?! And for balance.... Why don't Cyclists use the highway code to avoid being hit by car drivers? To drive a car on the public road you need it to be roadworthy, insured, and have passed a knowledge test to know the law and rules of the road. To ride a bike on the public road you need.....err just a bike!
Right, what's your point? "The point is if they cause an accident they have no insurance. They do not know about stopping at red lights etc. Yes some will have passed a car test but some will have no knowledge of how to ride within the law. | |||
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"I saw two cyclists collide, one was in the cycle Lane and the other was one of those who doesn't understand colours on a traffic light.
Why was that funny? "Schadenfreude, we all do it. | |||
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"So if there is a cycle lane on a narrow lane you would rather ride on the road and risk your safety plus I see alot of cyclists jump red lights what's that all about are you above the law I drive a Lorry for a living I find it frustrating that cyclists can do what ever they please " Of course we could talk about hgv's are involved in a disproportionate amount if pedestrian and cyclist fatalities if you like? | |||
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"So if there is a cycle lane on a narrow lane you would rather ride on the road and risk your safety plus I see alot of cyclists jump red lights what's that all about are you above the law I drive a Lorry for a living I find it frustrating that cyclists can do what ever they please " The worst accident I've ever hsd. A lorry took me out on the motorway so I think every type of driver or cyclist is not perfect. There are good and bad of every type of road user. | |||
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"Anyone remember Augustus Windsock ?
https://youtu.be/yfVp40o159E"According to "tubeyou" Augustus Windsock was the world's oldest cyclist until it was uncovered he indulged in cottaging and was arrested trying to cycle away from the police naked. Apparently he caught his wang in the spokes which cause a blood loss that made his moustache droop..... Soxy Truth or Soxy Bluff ?  | |||
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"Why don't car drivers use the highway code to avoid the need for cycle lanes?! And for balance.... Why don't Cyclists use the highway code to avoid being hit by car drivers? To drive a car on the public road you need it to be roadworthy, insured, and have passed a knowledge test to know the law and rules of the road. To ride a bike on the public road you need.....err just a bike!
Right, what's your point?
The point is if they cause an accident they have no insurance. They do not know about stopping at red lights etc.
Yes some will have passed a car test but some will have no knowledge of how to ride within the law."I think it's pretty obvious to stop at red lights, plus the majority of cyclists are also car drivers as well. Everyone I know who cycles has insurance through British cycling.... And I know a lot of cyclists. | |||
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" Why don't car drivers use buses?" Because they are so infrequent and unreliable in our area. Two out of the three occasions I've chosen to use the bus, the scheduled bus was cancelled. It's an appalling service. I now walk instead on those occasions. I can do it almost as quickly as the bus now I'm fitter and can power walk far quicker than I used to, because of the tortuous route it takes. Country area bus routes are notoriously poor. Journeys that take 15 minutes in the car take 90 minutes by bus because of the daft route it goes. | |||
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"Anyone remember Augustus Windsock ?
https://youtu.be/yfVp40o159E
According to "tubeyou" Augustus Windsock was the world's oldest cyclist until it was uncovered he indulged in cottaging and was arrested trying to cycle away from the police naked.
Apparently he caught his wang in the spokes which cause a blood loss that made his moustache droop.....
Soxy Truth or Soxy Bluff ? " - Cool Story Bro | |||
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"Why don't cyclists pay road tax .?" Do you mean vehicle excise duty? I pay towards the up keep of the roads via my tax and council tax the same as the rest of you who have to pay it. The vehicle excise duty does not pay for the roads. | |||
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"Why don't car drivers use the highway code to avoid the need for cycle lanes?! And for balance.... Why don't Cyclists use the highway code to avoid being hit by car drivers? To drive a car on the public road you need it to be roadworthy, insured, and have passed a knowledge test to know the law and rules of the road. To ride a bike on the public road you need.....err just a bike!
Right, what's your point?
The point is if they cause an accident they have no insurance. They do not know about stopping at red lights etc.
Yes some will have passed a car test but some will have no knowledge of how to ride within the law.
I think it's pretty obvious to stop at red lights, plus the majority of cyclists are also car drivers as well.
Everyone I know who cycles has insurance through British cycling.... And I know a lot of cyclists. "Well sadly some dont. Just a simple test and the need to be insured would make life easier and safer for all. | |||
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"Nearly every day I get a cyclists cycle up the inside of my Lorry how dam dangerous is that tbh if they go under the wheels who's fault would it be " If you know they are there.... Yours | |||
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"Why don't car drivers use the highway code to avoid the need for cycle lanes?! And for balance.... Why don't Cyclists use the highway code to avoid being hit by car drivers? To drive a car on the public road you need it to be roadworthy, insured, and have passed a knowledge test to know the law and rules of the road. To ride a bike on the public road you need.....err just a bike!
Right, what's your point?
The point is if they cause an accident they have no insurance. They do not know about stopping at red lights etc.
Yes some will have passed a car test but some will have no knowledge of how to ride within the law.
I think it's pretty obvious to stop at red lights, plus the majority of cyclists are also car drivers as well.
Everyone I know who cycles has insurance through British cycling.... And I know a lot of cyclists.
Well sadly some dont. Just a simple test and the need to be insured would make life easier and safer for all.
"Sadly some car drivers don't pass their tests or gave insurance either. Still not sure what your point is | |||
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"Nearly every day I get a cyclists cycle up the inside of my Lorry how dam dangerous is that tbh if they go under the wheels who's fault would it be " If you get it every day then you should be well prepared for it. Assume and plan for the worst. As a professional driver, you were taught to plan ahead while driving. | |||
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"Cyclists are annoying and think nothing of two or three abreast and weaving about the place as if they own it,cause chaos and disruption and slowing traffic up and most inconsiderate.....they have one rule.."their's".....family cycle tracks like the ones near us are great..but please dont just expect us to move for you... !!!" Lol | |||
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"Nearly every day I get a cyclists cycle up the inside of my Lorry how dam dangerous is that tbh if they go under the wheels who's fault would it be " Yours as they know no different as they have passed no test that would tell them that undertaking is against the law | |||
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"Why don't they bloody use them " Because they don't have to. The roads are open for all to use. Not just you. | |||
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"I've never understood the point of most cycle lanes, they appear from nowhere then stop again just as abruptly. What are cyclists supposed to do to get from one to another? Fly?" This is exactly the point I was making about poor infrastructure. Compare it to places like Holland Belgium and we are light years behind. | |||
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"Why don't cyclists pay road tax .?" Road tax (VED) is mostly linked to road wear/damage and pollution. Cyclists cause neither. | |||
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"Why don't they bloody use them " Just curios ..... Is your concern primarily for the cyclists safety or is it more aimed at any perceived inconvenience cyclists cause to other road users? | |||
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"Why don't car drivers use the highway code to avoid the need for cycle lanes?! And for balance.... Why don't Cyclists use the highway code to avoid being hit by car drivers? To drive a car on the public road you need it to be roadworthy, insured, and have passed a knowledge test to know the law and rules of the road. To ride a bike on the public road you need.....err just a bike!
Right, what's your point?
The point is if they cause an accident they have no insurance. They do not know about stopping at red lights etc.
Yes some will have passed a car test but some will have no knowledge of how to ride within the law.
I think it's pretty obvious to stop at red lights, plus the majority of cyclists are also car drivers as well.
Everyone I know who cycles has insurance through British cycling.... And I know a lot of cyclists.
Well sadly some dont. Just a simple test and the need to be insured would make life easier and safer for all.
Sadly some car drivers don't pass their tests or gave insurance either. Still not sure what your point is "The point is that they are in the minority....cyclist without insurance or knowing the rules of the road are an unknown danger | |||
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"plus I see alot of cyclists jump red lights what's that all about " I see far more cars and lorries jump red lights, they just all do it as the lights turn back to red. I was stood next to a guy who was almost taken out by a car going through more than 5 seconds after the lights had turned red | |||
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"Why don't car drivers use the highway code to avoid the need for cycle lanes?! And for balance.... Why don't Cyclists use the highway code to avoid being hit by car drivers? To drive a car on the public road you need it to be roadworthy, insured, and have passed a knowledge test to know the law and rules of the road. To ride a bike on the public road you need.....err just a bike!
Right, what's your point?
The point is if they cause an accident they have no insurance. They do not know about stopping at red lights etc.
Yes some will have passed a car test but some will have no knowledge of how to ride within the law.
I think it's pretty obvious to stop at red lights, plus the majority of cyclists are also car drivers as well.
Everyone I know who cycles has insurance through British cycling.... And I know a lot of cyclists.
Well sadly some dont. Just a simple test and the need to be insured would make life easier and safer for all.
Sadly some car drivers don't pass their tests or gave insurance either. Still not sure what your point is
The point is that they are in the minority....cyclist without insurance or knowing the rules of the road are an unknown danger"They clearly aren't. You seem to know a lot about the dangers. It all boils down to respect for road users at the end of the day. Some cyclists feel the need to ride aggressively to keep their road position as some car drivers think it's their god given right to use the road and no one else can. If there was just a little bit more respect and patience for everyone it would be a much better place. Right, I've delayed it long enough, I'm off for a quick bike ride. | |||
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"Ok law states u do not undertake in a car so why should a cyclist do it you have the same rules as car drivers stop at lights etc but u don't " And again, I put it to you that far too many car, truck, van drivers put others lives at risk by not stopping for lights as well. But you carry on with your obsession about the cyclist. Do you get mad with drivers who ignore road rules? | |||
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"There are countless threads on here about how unjust speeding fines can be and how seedd cameras are unfair... People still get caught drink driving every day. And drug driving is increasingly more common now detection is easier. And don't even get me started on mobile use. But yeah it's the cyclists thay are at fault by bot getting out of their way by using cycle paths that are causing all the road safety issues" I appreciate how precarious a cyclist is on the road and sadly I see far more unsafe cycling and driving in my area than we should. On a daily basis there I'll see at least one instance per journey. In both cases they are fatalities waiting to happen. I love cycling but I'm too afraid for my life to cycle round here. | |||
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"Nearly every day I get a cyclists cycle up the inside of my Lorry how dam dangerous is that tbh if they go under the wheels who's fault would it be " Read about Alex McVitty It was a clear June morning as she cycled along her usual route to work. A concrete mixer overtook her twice as she pedalled along London Wall. As she approached a road junction, the lorry turned left across her path and killed her in an instant. She was not at fault. Lorries are not always perfectly driven just as cycles aren't perfectly ridden. Her Mum got an OBE for improving safety for cyclists and working with those cement companies. | |||
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"Ok law states u do not undertake in a car so why should a cyclist do it you have the same rules as car drivers stop at lights etc but u don't " *some don't. Just like some car drivers. I do and a lot of cyclists I've seen around here do. In fact I can't think of any time where I've seen a cyclist run a red light round here. Maybe it's more if a city thing. | |||
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"Why don't car drivers use the highway code to avoid the need for cycle lanes?! And for balance.... Why don't Cyclists use the highway code to avoid being hit by car drivers? To drive a car on the public road you need it to be roadworthy, insured, and have passed a knowledge test to know the law and rules of the road. To ride a bike on the public road you need.....err just a bike!
Right, what's your point?
The point is if they cause an accident they have no insurance. They do not know about stopping at red lights etc.
Yes some will have passed a car test but some will have no knowledge of how to ride within the law.
I think it's pretty obvious to stop at red lights, plus the majority of cyclists are also car drivers as well.
Everyone I know who cycles has insurance through British cycling.... And I know a lot of cyclists.
Well sadly some dont. Just a simple test and the need to be insured would make life easier and safer for all.
Sadly some car drivers don't pass their tests or gave insurance either. Still not sure what your point is
The point is that they are in the minority....cyclist without insurance or knowing the rules of the road are an unknown danger
They clearly aren't. You seem to know a lot about the dangers.
It all boils down to respect for road users at the end of the day. Some cyclists feel the need to ride aggressively to keep their road position as some car drivers think it's their god given right to use the road and no one else can. If there was just a little bit more respect and patience for everyone it would be a much better place.
Right, I've delayed it long enough, I'm off for a quick bike ride. " | |||
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"Ok law states u do not undertake in a car so why should a cyclist do it you have the same rules as car drivers stop at lights etc but u don't " Re undertaking, you might want to read up on that again. As for undertakers, where you live is a waiting room for them. | |||
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" Why do people become lorry drivers? Why don't they get an other job that doesn't pollute and kill pedestrians?" But Clem my dear man... some lorry driver hold HGV/ LGV licences so they can drive lorries in convoys delivering humanitarian aid and equipment that helps improve the local habitat and environment where people are forced to live in locations that don't have road systems so everyone is basically pedestrian ...... Just thought I'd share that ,,, | |||
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"PMSL why do we become Lorry driver how do you think stuff gets to you your food your clothing everything you use even your bike it comes on a Lorry lol " I don't think anyone was banning lorries it's a discussion about driving isn't it and cyclists. | |||
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"PMSL why do we become Lorry driver how do you think stuff gets to you your food your clothing everything you use even your bike it comes on a Lorry lol " So stop moaning about other road users. You chose the career. Did they say "here's your lorry, i doubt you'll see anyone else on the road, so it should be an easy job. " | |||
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"Nearly every day I get a cyclists cycle up the inside of my Lorry how dam dangerous is that tbh if they go under the wheels who's fault would it be " Ok, we all seem to be going off and making comments when you don't actually know the rules of the road, car tax for one, cyclists don't pay it cause it's an emissions tax, the upkeep of the roads is payed for through your local council tax, cycle lanes seem to be few and far between so at some point they will be on the road with you. The key word when driving is anticipation, keep your distance, expect the unexpected, this is how I cycle, I never weave through traffic if it's stopped, I NEVER go through a red light, I even stop at padestrian crossings when the lights change, you say you drive a wagon? Ok, back in 2010, I was cycling on a heavily used route, Queens Drive, those who know Liverpool will know that this is basically a motorway in the inner city, 3 lanes, heading north is just past the flyover at the end of the M62, I'm in the left hand lane about 2 feet away from the kerb, a wagon overtakes me and before he has passed, he starts pulling back into the left lane, forcing me closer to the kerb, I eventually lose control and come off my bike, the wheels from the trailer missed me by bloody inches, did he stop? No, he just carried on, the car behind stopped to check I was ok, my wrist was broken and badly bruised my hip. Even when we obide by the rules of the road, shit still happens, yes a lot of cyclists take the piss, but not all of us. If I know a wagon is behind me I will pull over if it's safe to let it pass. Arguing about who is in the wrong all the time is just a never ending circle. | |||
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"Nearly every day I get a cyclists cycle up the inside of my Lorry how dam dangerous is that tbh if they go under the wheels who's fault would it be Ok, we all seem to be going off and making comments when you don't actually know the rules of the road, car tax for one, cyclists don't pay it cause it's an emissions tax, the upkeep of the roads is payed for through your local council tax, cycle lanes seem to be few and far between so at some point they will be on the road with you. The key word when driving is anticipation, keep your distance, expect the unexpected, this is how I cycle, I never weave through traffic if it's stopped, I NEVER go through a red light, I even stop at padestrian crossings when the lights change, you say you drive a wagon? Ok, back in 2010, I was cycling on a heavily used route, Queens Drive, those who know Liverpool will know that this is basically a motorway in the inner city, 3 lanes, heading north is just past the flyover at the end of the M62, I'm in the left hand lane about 2 feet away from the kerb, a wagon overtakes me and before he has passed, he starts pulling back into the left lane, forcing me closer to the kerb, I eventually lose control and come off my bike, the wheels from the trailer missed me by bloody inches, did he stop? No, he just carried on, the car behind stopped to check I was ok, my wrist was broken and badly bruised my hip. Even when we obide by the rules of the road, shit still happens, yes a lot of cyclists take the piss, but not all of us. If I know a wagon is behind me I will pull over if it's safe to let it pass. Arguing about who is in the wrong all the time is just a never ending circle." | |||
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"Nearly every day I get a cyclists cycle up the inside of my Lorry how dam dangerous is that tbh if they go under the wheels who's fault would it be Ok, we all seem to be going off and making comments when you don't actually know the rules of the road, car tax for one, cyclists don't pay it cause it's an emissions tax, the upkeep of the roads is payed for through your local council tax, cycle lanes seem to be few and far between so at some point they will be on the road with you. The key word when driving is anticipation, keep your distance, expect the unexpected, this is how I cycle, I never weave through traffic if it's stopped, I NEVER go through a red light, I even stop at padestrian crossings when the lights change, you say you drive a wagon? Ok, back in 2010, I was cycling on a heavily used route, Queens Drive, those who know Liverpool will know that this is basically a motorway in the inner city, 3 lanes, heading north is just past the flyover at the end of the M62, I'm in the left hand lane about 2 feet away from the kerb, a wagon overtakes me and before he has passed, he starts pulling back into the left lane, forcing me closer to the kerb, I eventually lose control and come off my bike, the wheels from the trailer missed me by bloody inches, did he stop? No, he just carried on, the car behind stopped to check I was ok, my wrist was broken and badly bruised my hip. Even when we obide by the rules of the road, shit still happens, yes a lot of cyclists take the piss, but not all of us. If I know a wagon is behind me I will pull over if it's safe to let it pass. Arguing about who is in the wrong all the time is just a never ending circle." True. I'm scared to ride on the road these days, i had a car clip my elbow. She was doing about 40 mph. Bright sunny day. I was wearing bright clothing with my rear light flashing away. Did she do it through hatred of cyclists? No, she just didn't see me. Probably because she was too old to be driving. There's no protection from a driver like that. And that terrifies me to be honest. | |||
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"Nearly every day I get a cyclists cycle up the inside of my Lorry how dam dangerous is that tbh if they go under the wheels who's fault would it be Ok, we all seem to be going off and making comments when you don't actually know the rules of the road, car tax for one, cyclists don't pay it cause it's an emissions tax, the upkeep of the roads is payed for through your local council tax, cycle lanes seem to be few and far between so at some point they will be on the road with you. The key word when driving is anticipation, keep your distance, expect the unexpected, this is how I cycle, I never weave through traffic if it's stopped, I NEVER go through a red light, I even stop at padestrian crossings when the lights change, you say you drive a wagon? Ok, back in 2010, I was cycling on a heavily used route, Queens Drive, those who know Liverpool will know that this is basically a motorway in the inner city, 3 lanes, heading north is just past the flyover at the end of the M62, I'm in the left hand lane about 2 feet away from the kerb, a wagon overtakes me and before he has passed, he starts pulling back into the left lane, forcing me closer to the kerb, I eventually lose control and come off my bike, the wheels from the trailer missed me by bloody inches, did he stop? No, he just carried on, the car behind stopped to check I was ok, my wrist was broken and badly bruised my hip. Even when we obide by the rules of the road, shit still happens, yes a lot of cyclists take the piss, but not all of us. If I know a wagon is behind me I will pull over if it's safe to let it pass. Arguing about who is in the wrong all the time is just a never ending circle." Well said Will. | |||
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"Nearly every day I get a cyclists cycle up the inside of my Lorry how dam dangerous is that tbh if they go under the wheels who's fault would it be Read about Alex McVitty It was a clear June morning as she cycled along her usual route to work. A concrete mixer overtook her twice as she pedalled along London Wall. As she approached a road junction, the lorry turned left across her path and killed her in an instant. She was not at fault. Lorries are not always perfectly driven just as cycles aren't perfectly ridden. Her Mum got an OBE for improving safety for cyclists and working with those cement companies. " There are load's of similar stories. I remember a guy killed near where I used to live in Hackney. Truck indicating to turn right at traffic lights tuneed left instead. Despite numerous witress statements and the diver admitting g he had indicated but then changed his mind and indicated to turn left instead ( something no witness could collaborate) the driver faced no charges And I can cone up with many more examples. | |||
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"So if there is a cycle lane on a narrow lane you would rather ride on the road and risk your safety plus I see alot of cyclists jump red lights what's that all about are you above the law I drive a Lorry for a living I find it frustrating that cyclists can do what ever they please Of course we could talk about hgv's are involved in a disproportionate amount if pedestrian and cyclist fatalities if you like?" Yep, we could. ...... You are 20 times more likely to be killed or seriously injured if you collide with an HGV/PCV rather than a car. HGV/PCV male up 8% of road traffic but account for 20% of RTIs according to TfL. 7 out of 9 cyclist's deaths involve construction HGV. These do not make for good statistics regardless. And blame is immaterial as there is someone dead and someone who lives with the consequences. But both parties are to blame, HGV drivers may be frustrated at cyclists and may push their luck which is v.wrong. But cyclists are, at times their own worst enemy by not taking the mass of vehicle into consideration. Failure to understand blind spots, poor lane discipline, passing on the nearside of vehicles, poor, failure to comply with RTA-88 and TSRGD-2016, failure to use cycle lanes, not wearing helmets, little consideration for visibility or their own safety. On the flipside, the HGV driver/operator works in one of the most regulated industries, has spent a fortune gaining his licence, undergoes regular assessments of his skills, must complete periodic professional development training, pays a fortune for insurances and VED/Road Levy, spends tens of thousands on extra equipment on safety equipment, is rigorously monitored, heavily controlled on his routing. ....and delivers literally everything we have ever owned or consumed. The road is a shared resource which means that you have no greater right to be their and no less. But many cyclists don't have, or don't care about their responsibilities to the road. We all need to work and share the space, we should all do it properly and responsibly. | |||
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"It wasn't funny but it's not the first time I've seen cyclists with complete disregard for other road users. They need to stay between the double yellow lines " Where is this in the Highway code? Must have missed it... | |||
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"It wasn't funny but it's not the first time I've seen cyclists with complete disregard for other road users. They need to stay between the double yellow lines " Ever heard of the primary position? | |||
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"It wasn't funny but it's not the first time I've seen cyclists with complete disregard for other road users. They need to stay between the double yellow lines " Wow  | |||
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"So if there is a cycle lane on a narrow lane you would rather ride on the road and risk your safety plus I see alot of cyclists jump red lights what's that all about are you above the law I drive a Lorry for a living I find it frustrating that cyclists can do what ever they please " why would they be risking their lives exactly are you short sighted need glasses but too vain to get them so you nearly run the cyclist over as a result ? | |||
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"Why don't they bloody use them " Too many cars in the cycle lanes? | |||
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"It wasn't funny but it's not the first time I've seen cyclists with complete disregard for other road users. They need to stay between the double yellow lines " Wtf! | |||
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"As a driver I do take a lot of care when driving around cyclists but it's bloody annoying when they weave through cars when traffic is slow. Or when they're in the middle of the road and in trying to get past email but they won't move aside. Stay on the left!!" Unless you're turning right with your arm out ? | |||
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"In all honesty I have never seen an argument presented by a motorist on this topic thst doesn't boil down to why should I be inconvenienced by other road users " Yep. Or any other topic thats about another road user. | |||
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"That is against training. Look up Primary Position, why it is taught & when it should be taken." Primary position may be taught as the best for cyclists but it's not the best for road users. Cyclists are not the same as motorists and they shouldn't hinder traffic unless they can pedal at 30mph!! Move to the side, let traffic past. If I wanted to get somewhere at 5mph, I'd be on a bike, not in a car | |||
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"More to the point, why don't they obey traffic lights or stop for zebra crossings? Grrrr" Most do. Or the ones I know do. | |||
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"Why don't cyclists pay road tax .? Road tax (VED) is mostly linked to road wear/damage and pollution. Cyclists cause neither. " Plus most cyclists are also drivers and pay Vehicle Excise Duty and usr their bicycles meaning they pay more road tax per mile than a non cyclist because they are often not using their car but still paying. | |||
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"As a driver I do take a lot of care when driving around cyclists but it's bloody annoying when they weave through cars when traffic is slow. Or when they're in the middle of the road and in trying to get past email but they won't move aside. Stay on the left!! Unless you're turning right with your arm out ? " That's fine, it's about road positioning. Leave a gap to let motorists overtake or undertake you. | |||
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"Why don't cyclists pay road tax .? Road tax (VED) is mostly linked to road wear/damage and pollution. Cyclists cause neither. Plus most cyclists are also drivers and pay Vehicle Excise Duty and usr their bicycles meaning they pay more road tax per mile than a non cyclist because they are often not using their car but still paying. " I know LOADS of cyclists who don't have a car | |||
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"That is against training. Look up Primary Position, why it is taught & when it should be taken. Primary position may be taught as the best for cyclists but it's not the best for road users. Cyclists are not the same as motorists and they shouldn't hinder traffic unless they can pedal at 30mph!! Move to the side, let traffic past. If I wanted to get somewhere at 5mph, I'd be on a bike, not in a car" Utter nonsense. Utter nonsense. Cyclists are entitled to use the safest part of the road too. Why should they be shoved into the gutter just so you can go a little quicker. The speed limit is the top safe speed. Not the recommended speed. | |||
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"That is against training. Look up Primary Position, why it is taught & when it should be taken. Primary position may be taught as the best for cyclists but it's not the best for road users. Cyclists are not the same as motorists and they shouldn't hinder traffic unless they can pedal at 30mph!! Move to the side, let traffic past. If I wanted to get somewhere at 5mph, I'd be on a bike, not in a car" Out of interest do you consider yourself a safe road user? | |||
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"Why don't cyclists pay road tax .? Road tax (VED) is mostly linked to road wear/damage and pollution. Cyclists cause neither. Plus most cyclists are also drivers and pay Vehicle Excise Duty and usr their bicycles meaning they pay more road tax per mile than a non cyclist because they are often not using their car but still paying. I know LOADS of cyclists who don't have a car" But presumably that's in London where many non cyclists also realise owning a car is a bit pointless | |||
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"As a driver I do take a lot of care when driving around cyclists but it's bloody annoying when they weave through cars when traffic is slow. Or when they're in the middle of the road and in trying to get past email but they won't move aside. Stay on the left!! Unless you're turning right with your arm out ? That's fine, it's about road positioning. Leave a gap to let motorists overtake or undertake you." Or wait until it is safe for you to overtake when the cyclist is cycling safely too. Holding you up is not unsafe unless you choose to do something stupid. That is not the cyclists fault. | |||
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"from a slightly different petspective - as a horse rider why can the majority of cyclists either not call out ring a bell or slow down when they appear out of nowhere behindc us? do they not realise what half a ton of spooked horse will look like on their lap?" There was a pit going round the cycling groups on facebook raising awareness of this. In all honesty I personally had never considered that when riding alone slowing down and giving a wide birth wasn't enough | |||
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"As a driver I do take a lot of care when driving around cyclists but it's bloody annoying when they weave through cars when traffic is slow. Or when they're in the middle of the road and in trying to get past email but they won't move aside. Stay on the left!! Unless you're turning right with your arm out ? That's fine, it's about road positioning. Leave a gap to let motorists overtake or undertake you." You know you should overtake a cyclist with as much room as you'd give a car? | |||
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"I'm in London, I have a car. I'm a pretty considerate driver. Never hit a cyclist, or other car and i keep well back from cyclists who have kids with them. But....when I come to a traffic light, and have a line of cyclists who think it's great fun to stop in front of the cars and then peddle off around a slow pace when the road is clear ahead, that's really annoying. You don't pay road tax for that bike, so be more considerate of the people who do " ^^^^^^this is the trouble with half educated car users. | |||
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"I'm in London, I have a car. I'm a pretty considerate driver. Never hit a cyclist, or other car and i keep well back from cyclists who have kids with them. But....when I come to a traffic light, and have a line of cyclists who think it's great fun to stop in front of the cars and then peddle off around a slow pace when the road is clear ahead, that's really annoying. You don't pay road tax for that bike, so be more considerate of the people who do " You've said cyclists should rode in the gutter, dismissed the primary position as it doesn't suit you AND then say cyclists should be more considerate. What about you being more considerate? Oh and if even a fraction of London s cycluster used cars instead the city would be gridlocked and the air pollution even worse | |||
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"from a slightly different petspective - as a horse rider why can the majority of cyclists either not call out ring a bell or slow down when they appear out of nowhere behindc us? do they not realise what half a ton of spooked horse will look like on their lap? There was a pit going round the cycling groups on facebook raising awareness of this. In all honesty I personally had never considered that when riding alone slowing down and giving a wide birth wasn't enough " I always slow, & shout ahead for permission to pass - that's probably because I'm terrified of horses though! | |||
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" You know you should overtake a cyclist with as much room as you'd give a car? Always do....but I don't want to go over into the opposite lane cos the cyclist decides to be positioned in the centre of the road" Then you'll have to wait until it's safe to pass which is the entire point. | |||
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" You know you should overtake a cyclist with as much room as you'd give a car? Always do....but I don't want to go over into the opposite lane cos the cyclist decides to be positioned in the centre of the road" Then you are a dangerous overtaker. You SHOULD be using the opposite carriageway as per rule 163. If the cyclist is taking Primary Position, that is the signal that it is too dangerous to overtake. | |||
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" You know you should overtake a cyclist with as much room as you'd give a car? Always do....but I don't want to go over into the opposite lane cos the cyclist decides to be positioned in the centre of the road" How would you overtake a car without going into the opposite lane? | |||
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"from a slightly different petspective - as a horse rider why can the majority of cyclists either not call out ring a bell or slow down when they appear out of nowhere behindc us? do they not realise what half a ton of spooked horse will look like on their lap? There was a pit going round the cycling groups on facebook raising awareness of this. In all honesty I personally had never considered that when riding alone slowing down and giving a wide birth wasn't enough " Yes, it seems that when there's a flock of cyclists, they always call out and we have a bit of banter when they go past, which is great for reassuring the horse, but whenever is just one, they rarely make any noise. My horse is pretty good and I ride pretty well, but he still doesn't need spooking by a silent creeping up on. | |||
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"We always use cycle lanes when we are out on our bikes. Having said that half the cycle lanes round here are the roads so are shared with vehicles, a lot of which are speeding. When i was younger there used to such a thing as a cycle proficiency test which tested your knowledge, awareness and safe use of cycling on the road. Does that not exist anymore? Mr2 " It still exists. | |||
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"I'm in London, I have a car. I'm a pretty considerate driver. Never hit a cyclist, or other car and i keep well back from cyclists who have kids with them. But....when I come to a traffic light, and have a line of cyclists who think it's great fun to stop in front of the cars and then peddle off around a slow pace when the road is clear ahead, that's really annoying. You don't pay road tax for that bike, so be more considerate of the people who do " You don't pay road tax for your car. There is no such thing. You really are not coming across as considerate or even educated in the rules of the road. The whole reason there is a cycle box at the front if traffic lights is to allow cyclists to use it... Unless of course some dick head driver is covering it up to gain that extra few inches head start on everyone else | |||
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" You know you should overtake a cyclist with as much room as you'd give a car? Always do....but I don't want to go over into the opposite lane cos the cyclist decides to be positioned in the centre of the road" Why not? You do realise more and more police forces are fining moto rusts for close passes. And close is defined as less than 3 foot | |||
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" Now I don't usually use this word except for exceptional circumstances such as this Most cyclists are cunts.... ignorant ones at that.. and they deserve to get wiped out each and every time they run a red light, hit a pedestrian or damage a vehicle and don't stop They should all be forced by regulation to behave like better road users " Wtf? | |||
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"We always use cycle lanes when we are out on our bikes. Having said that half the cycle lanes round here are the roads so are shared with vehicles, a lot of which are speeding. When i was younger there used to such a thing as a cycle proficiency test which tested your knowledge, awareness and safe use of cycling on the road. Does that not exist anymore? Mr2 " Cycling Proficiency was discontinued yrs ago as it was no longer fit for purpose, & in fact was actually teaching dangerous practice to both riders & drivers. It was replaced with BikeAbility, which has three levels & is the current govt approved training course. It teaches such concepts as Primary Position etc & is suitable for children through to adults. | |||
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" Now I don't usually use this word except for exceptional circumstances such as this Most cyclists are cunts.... ignorant ones at that.. and they deserve to get wiped out each and every time they run a red light, hit a pedestrian or damage a vehicle and don't stop They should all be forced by regulation to behave like better road users " Stick to wanking. | |||
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" Now I don't usually use this word except for exceptional circumstances such as this Most cyclists are cunts.... ignorant ones at that.. and they deserve to get wiped out each and every time they run a red light, hit a pedestrian or damage a vehicle and don't stop They should all be forced by regulation to behave like better road users " LOL | |||
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" Now I don't usually use this word except for exceptional circumstances such as this Most cyclists are cunts.... ignorant ones at that.. and they deserve to get wiped out each and every time they run a red light, hit a pedestrian or damage a vehicle and don't stop They should all be forced by regulation to behave like better road users " As opposed to drink drovers, speeders, uninsured thay guy driving the refuse truck in Glasgow? Are they cuts too? | |||
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" You don't pay road tax for your car. There is no such thing. You really are not coming across as considerate or even educated in the rules of the road. The whole reason there is a cycle box at the front if traffic lights is to allow cyclists to use it... Unless of course some dick head driver is covering it up to gain that extra few inches head start on everyone else "There's no road tax anymore? I wish darling but I don't have an electric car. I don't mind the cyclists getting at the front cos they need to be there if they need to turn. But once on the straight and narrow, move aside for the faster traffic | |||
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" You don't pay road tax for your car. There is no such thing. You really are not coming across as considerate or even educated in the rules of the road. The whole reason there is a cycle box at the front if traffic lights is to allow cyclists to use it... Unless of course some dick head driver is covering it up to gain that extra few inches head start on everyone else
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"We always use cycle lanes when we are out on our bikes. Having said that half the cycle lanes round here are the roads so are shared with vehicles, a lot of which are speeding. When i was younger there used to such a thing as a cycle proficiency test which tested your knowledge, awareness and safe use of cycling on the road. Does that not exist anymore? Mr2 Cycling Proficiency was discontinued yrs ago as it was no longer fit for purpose, & in fact was actually teaching dangerous practice to both riders & drivers. It was replaced with BikeAbility, which has three levels & is the current govt approved training course. It teaches such concepts as Primary Position etc & is suitable for children through to adults." Thank you for the update. You never hear of anything like bike ability happening around here. Maybe they need to bring it back into schools so that children can learn about how to ride safely and responsibly. | |||
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"Why don't car drivers use the highway code to avoid the need for cycle lanes?! And for balance.... Why don't Cyclists use the highway code to avoid being hit by car drivers? " Used to be able to when it was a book, bit more difficult to whack a driver with the electronic version! | |||
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"We always use cycle lanes when we are out on our bikes. Having said that half the cycle lanes round here are the roads so are shared with vehicles, a lot of which are speeding. When i was younger there used to such a thing as a cycle proficiency test which tested your knowledge, awareness and safe use of cycling on the road. Does that not exist anymore? Mr2 Cycling Proficiency was discontinued yrs ago as it was no longer fit for purpose, & in fact was actually teaching dangerous practice to both riders & drivers. It was replaced with BikeAbility, which has three levels & is the current govt approved training course. It teaches such concepts as Primary Position etc & is suitable for children through to adults. Thank you for the update. You never hear of anything like bike ability happening around here. Maybe they need to bring it back into schools so that children can learn about how to ride safely and responsibly. " Most Local Authorities offer it for free, have a look online in your local area, may well be courses on offer. TBH I would advise it even for regular, adult cyclists as we are never to old to learn! | |||
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"from a slightly different petspective - as a horse rider why can the majority of cyclists either not call out ring a bell or slow down when they appear out of nowhere behindc us? do they not realise what half a ton of spooked horse will look like on their lap? There was a pit going round the cycling groups on facebook raising awareness of this. In all honesty I personally had never considered that when riding alone slowing down and giving a wide birth wasn't enough Yes, it seems that when there's a flock of cyclists, they always call out and we have a bit of banter when they go past, which is great for reassuring the horse, but whenever is just one, they rarely make any noise. My horse is pretty good and I ride pretty well, but he still doesn't need spooking by a silent creeping up on. " Exactly this
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"Is the cycle lane well maintained? Some are covered in glass and debris so road cyclists are more likely to get punctures. And the ones shared with pedestrians - the pedestrians often stray onto the cyclists side so you take your life in your hands trying to avoid them. I get more frustrated with cyclists who use normal pavements to ride on and teenagers on scooters in shops as if that's perfectly normal. " Or the pedestrian on their side, and their dog on the cycle path, connected by a trip wire! | |||
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"from a slightly different petspective - as a horse rider why can the majority of cyclists either not call out ring a bell or slow down when they appear out of nowhere behindc us? do they not realise what half a ton of spooked horse will look like on their lap? There was a pit going round the cycling groups on facebook raising awareness of this. In all honesty I personally had never considered that when riding alone slowing down and giving a wide birth wasn't enough Yes, it seems that when there's a flock of cyclists, they always call out and we have a bit of banter when they go past, which is great for reassuring the horse, but whenever is just one, they rarely make any noise. My horse is pretty good and I ride pretty well, but he still doesn't need spooking by a silent creeping up on. Exactly this
In a group we'd always shout a warning/greeting but alone so many cyclists don't. I think we asumed albeit wrongly that it was the speed or mass of cyclists that was the issue"I own and ride a horse. Horses have a deep-seated "prey animal" instinct, which means that anything, and I do mean anything, can spook them, and as has been mentioned, most horses are over half a ton, imagine trying to hold on to that when it gets scared and decides it wants to go! At least when a vehicle, of any description, is coming, you can hear it, and be prepared, not so with cyclists, meaning the first you know sometimes is when they flash past you... imagine what the horse thinks when something brightly coloured, moving at speed and very quiet flashes into view!! | |||
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"It wasn't funny but it's not the first time I've seen cyclists with complete disregard for other road users. They need to stay between the double yellow lines " Theres is no stipulation as to where any road user is required to take a position within their land, including cyclists. They are advised:- - Not to ride more than 2 abreast - If they can keep with the flow of traffic then adopt a full lane position - Ride single file on narrow lanes | |||
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" Now I don't usually use this word except for exceptional circumstances such as this Most cyclists are cunts.... ignorant ones at that.. and they deserve to get wiped out each and every time they run a red light, hit a pedestrian or damage a vehicle and don't stop They should all be forced by regulation to behave like better road users As opposed to drink drovers, speeders, uninsured thay guy driving the refuse truck in Glasgow? Are they cuts too?" Indeed they are.. but worse obviously | |||
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"Why don't car drivers use the highway code to avoid the need for cycle lanes?! And for balance.... Why don't Cyclists use the highway code to avoid being hit by car drivers? Used to be able to when it was a book, bit more difficult to whack a driver with the electronic version! "Paper copies are available at all good stockists in the High St and online for £2.50 of your finest beer tokens; and updated on a regular basis, last official release in 2015 in celebration of 80 years of the first driving test though someone said there's a 2017 version, but I think that'll be an AA version which is released usually 2 years from the TSO release .... | |||
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" The fact of the matter is that there are lots of aresholes on the road irrespective of vehicle My point about cyclists is that they are the most common group that flagrantly take risks and put others at risk; switching between pavement and road, going through lights, hitting pedestrians while crossing, damaging wing mirrors and not stopping. I think all road users should be subject to the laws and there should be equal recourse for breaking those laws. Curtousy and safety of all other people should be the priority. I ride a motorcycle and drive a car and if i drove my motorbike like a cyclist I along with other people would be dead already " Cyclists put other road users at ris more than any other group. Do you have any statistics ti support that claim? Or can you explain why motorists manage to kill and maim thousands of other road users every year? | |||
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" The fact of the matter is that there are lots of aresholes on the road irrespective of vehicle My point about cyclists is that they are the most common group that flagrantly take risks and put others at risk; switching between pavement and road, going through lights, hitting pedestrians while crossing, damaging wing mirrors and not stopping. I think all road users should be subject to the laws and there should be equal recourse for breaking those laws. Curtousy and safety of all other people should be the priority. I ride a motorcycle and drive a car and if i drove my motorbike like a cyclist I along with other people would be dead already Cyclists put other road users at ris more than any other group. Do you have any statistics ti support that claim? Or can you explain why motorists manage to kill and maim thousands of other road users every year?" Unfortunately no because they neither have registration or insurance to make them accountable... ergo previous points | |||
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" The fact of the matter is that there are lots of aresholes on the road irrespective of vehicle My point about cyclists is that they are the most common group that flagrantly take risks and put others at risk; switching between pavement and road, going through lights, hitting pedestrians while crossing, damaging wing mirrors and not stopping. I think all road users should be subject to the laws and there should be equal recourse for breaking those laws. Curtousy and safety of all other people should be the priority. I ride a motorcycle and drive a car and if i drove my motorbike like a cyclist I along with other people would be dead already Cyclists put other road users at ris more than any other group. Do you have any statistics ti support that claim? Or can you explain why motorists manage to kill and maim thousands of other road users every year? Unfortunately no because they neither have registration or insurance to make them accountable... ergo previous points "Maybe a link to the amount of accidents caused by cyclists? Or fatalities? You must have some thing to back up this claim? | |||
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" The fact of the matter is that there are lots of aresholes on the road irrespective of vehicle My point about cyclists is that they are the most common group that flagrantly take risks and put others at risk; switching between pavement and road, going through lights, hitting pedestrians while crossing, damaging wing mirrors and not stopping. I think all road users should be subject to the laws and there should be equal recourse for breaking those laws. Curtousy and safety of all other people should be the priority. I ride a motorcycle and drive a car and if i drove my motorbike like a cyclist I along with other people would be dead already Cyclists put other road users at ris more than any other group. Do you have any statistics ti support that claim? Or can you explain why motorists manage to kill and maim thousands of other road users every year? Unfortunately no because they neither have registration or insurance to make them accountable... ergo previous points "What about witnesses, cctv, police reports? | |||
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" The fact of the matter is that there are lots of aresholes on the road irrespective of vehicle My point about cyclists is that they are the most common group that flagrantly take risks and put others at risk; switching between pavement and road, going through lights, hitting pedestrians while crossing, damaging wing mirrors and not stopping. I think all road users should be subject to the laws and there should be equal recourse for breaking those laws. Curtousy and safety of all other people should be the priority. I ride a motorcycle and drive a car and if i drove my motorbike like a cyclist I along with other people would be dead already Cyclists put other road users at ris more than any other group. Do you have any statistics ti support that claim? Or can you explain why motorists manage to kill and maim thousands of other road users every year? Unfortunately no because they neither have registration or insurance to make them accountable... ergo previous points
Maybe a link to the amount of accidents caused by cyclists? Or fatalities? You must have some thing to back up this claim?"It's not a claim it's a perception on the risk and the facts available are based in their lack of accountability, therefore encouraging them to behave more irresponsibly. Having driven for a number of years, it's my view or opinion. I will look into some numbers for you though | |||
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" The fact of the matter is that there are lots of aresholes on the road irrespective of vehicle My point about cyclists is that they are the most common group that flagrantly take risks and put others at risk; switching between pavement and road, going through lights, hitting pedestrians while crossing, damaging wing mirrors and not stopping. I think all road users should be subject to the laws and there should be equal recourse for breaking those laws. Curtousy and safety of all other people should be the priority. I ride a motorcycle and drive a car and if i drove my motorbike like a cyclist I along with other people would be dead already Cyclists put other road users at ris more than any other group. Do you have any statistics ti support that claim? Or can you explain why motorists manage to kill and maim thousands of other road users every year? Unfortunately no because they neither have registration or insurance to make them accountable... ergo previous points "Several studies incl TfL & DfT ones, plus the latest from West Mids Police - who are the accepted leaders in this field & teach other forces Nationwide - all say the same thing. That in vehicle/cycle collisions it's the motorist who is overwhelmingly at fault. West Mids Police put the figure at 98% culpability on the part of the driver, so your belief is both erroneous & unfounded in actual evidence. | |||
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" You know you should overtake a cyclist with as much room as you'd give a car? Always do....but I don't want to go over into the opposite lane cos the cyclist decides to be positioned in the centre of the road" Tough. It's the law. Deal with it. | |||
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" The fact of the matter is that there are lots of aresholes on the road irrespective of vehicle My point about cyclists is that they are the most common group that flagrantly take risks and put others at risk; switching between pavement and road, going through lights, hitting pedestrians while crossing, damaging wing mirrors and not stopping. I think all road users should be subject to the laws and there should be equal recourse for breaking those laws. Curtousy and safety of all other people should be the priority. I ride a motorcycle and drive a car and if i drove my motorbike like a cyclist I along with other people would be dead already Cyclists put other road users at ris more than any other group. Do you have any statistics ti support that claim? Or can you explain why motorists manage to kill and maim thousands of other road users every year? Unfortunately no because they neither have registration or insurance to make them accountable... ergo previous points "Most cyclists have insurance. | |||
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"We always use cycle lanes when we are out on our bikes. Having said that half the cycle lanes round here are the roads so are shared with vehicles, a lot of which are speeding. When i was younger there used to such a thing as a cycle proficiency test which tested your knowledge, awareness and safe use of cycling on the road. Does that not exist anymore? Mr2 Cycling Proficiency was discontinued yrs ago as it was no longer fit for purpose, & in fact was actually teaching dangerous practice to both riders & drivers. It was replaced with BikeAbility, which has three levels & is the current govt approved training course. It teaches such concepts as Primary Position etc & is suitable for children through to adults. Thank you for the update. You never hear of anything like bike ability happening around here. Maybe they need to bring it back into schools so that children can learn about how to ride safely and responsibly. " You don't hear about it. Does not mean it doesn't happen. | |||
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"from a slightly different petspective - as a horse rider why can the majority of cyclists either not call out ring a bell or slow down when they appear out of nowhere behindc us? do they not realise what half a ton of spooked horse will look like on their lap? There was a pit going round the cycling groups on facebook raising awareness of this. In all honesty I personally had never considered that when riding alone slowing down and giving a wide birth wasn't enough Yes, it seems that when there's a flock of cyclists, they always call out and we have a bit of banter when they go past, which is great for reassuring the horse, but whenever is just one, they rarely make any noise. My horse is pretty good and I ride pretty well, but he still doesn't need spooking by a silent creeping up on. Exactly this
In a group we'd always shout a warning/greeting but alone so many cyclists don't. I think we asumed albeit wrongly that it was the speed or mass of cyclists that was the issue
I own and ride a horse.
Horses have a deep-seated "prey animal" instinct, which means that anything, and I do mean anything, can spook them, and as has been mentioned, most horses are over half a ton, imagine trying to hold on to that when it gets scared and decides it wants to go!
At least when a vehicle, of any description, is coming, you can hear it, and be prepared, not so with cyclists, meaning the first you know sometimes is when they flash past you... imagine what the horse thinks when something brightly coloured, moving at speed and very quiet flashes into view!! "Why do you insist on taking horses on to locations which are, as you have shown, manifestly unsuitable? The difference between a vehicle and a horse is that you can control a vehicle and it doesn't get scared by perfectly reasonable actions and cause profound danger as a result. | |||
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" The fact of the matter is that there are lots of aresholes on the road irrespective of vehicle My point about cyclists is that they are the most common group that flagrantly take risks and put others at risk; switching between pavement and road, going through lights, hitting pedestrians while crossing, damaging wing mirrors and not stopping. I think all road users should be subject to the laws and there should be equal recourse for breaking those laws. Curtousy and safety of all other people should be the priority. I ride a motorcycle and drive a car and if i drove my motorbike like a cyclist I along with other people would be dead already Cyclists put other road users at ris more than any other group. Do you have any statistics ti support that claim? Or can you explain why motorists manage to kill and maim thousands of other road users every year? Unfortunately no because they neither have registration or insurance to make them accountable... ergo previous points
Maybe a link to the amount of accidents caused by cyclists? Or fatalities? You must have some thing to back up this claim?
It's not a claim it's a perception on the risk and the facts available are based in their lack of accountability, therefore encouraging them to behave more irresponsibly. Having driven for a number of years, it's my view or opinion.
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"Why don't they bloody use them " lol...dude ain't you heard, it's all a great big conspiracy just to piss you off. | |||
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" The fact of the matter is that there are lots of aresholes on the road irrespective of vehicle My point about cyclists is that they are the most common group that flagrantly take risks and put others at risk; switching between pavement and road, going through lights, hitting pedestrians while crossing, damaging wing mirrors and not stopping. I think all road users should be subject to the laws and there should be equal recourse for breaking those laws. Curtousy and safety of all other people should be the priority. I ride a motorcycle and drive a car and if i drove my motorbike like a cyclist I along with other people would be dead already Cyclists put other road users at ris more than any other group. Do you have any statistics ti support that claim? Or can you explain why motorists manage to kill and maim thousands of other road users every year? Unfortunately no because they neither have registration or insurance to make them accountable... ergo previous points
Several studies incl TfL & DfT ones, plus the latest from West Mids Police - who are the accepted leaders in this field & teach other forces Nationwide - all say the same thing. That in vehicle/cycle collisions it's the motorist who is overwhelmingly at fault. West Mids Police put the figure at 98% culpability on the part of the driver, so your belief is both erroneous & unfounded in actual evidence."West Midlands police represent the whole uk on statitics ? Ok then | |||
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"As a driver I do take a lot of care when driving around cyclists but it's bloody annoying when they weave through cars when traffic is slow. Or when they're in the middle of the road and in trying to get past email but they won't move aside. Stay on the left!!" I guess your happy for motorbikes to filter through stationary traffic? If you are passing correctly then there should be no cars in the right lane coming towards you and you will be in the other lane anyway. | |||
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