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By *andsonjohn OP Man
over a year ago
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spirit guides or puca's .
i am going to say something controversial well I'm sure it will start a debate at the very least .
I have absolutely no doubt that something watches over me.
what that is i don't no but its there it has always been there
I'm sure the fact I'm naturally a lucky person has sometime to do with it always being there
the same with my strong gut instinct I'm sure that's part of having something watching over me .
so anyone else believe in such things and does anyone else feel they have a protectorate entity watching over them like I feel i do . |
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over a year ago
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No, I consider it a throw back of human exeptionalism to consider ourselves so important that another entity must spend their existence devoted to making sure that every moment of ours goes as smooth as possible.
It would also logically follow thay those in developing countries are rarely fortunate enough to have one of these quote unquote guardian angels. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I did when I was younger. If I had one (I have no proof) i no longer do. I don't think I'd need one now, and maybe that's why.
I have a pull towards USA and always thought him to be American somehow. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No, I consider it a throw back of human exeptionalism to consider ourselves so important that another entity must spend their existence devoted to making sure that every moment of ours goes as smooth as possible.
It would also logically follow thay those in developing countries are rarely fortunate enough to have one of these quote unquote guardian angels."
We are important in many ways. We are here to help others how ever we can with what ever means we have. X |
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By *andsonjohn OP Man
over a year ago
in the eye of the storm |
"No, I consider it a throw back of human exeptionalism to consider ourselves so important that another entity must spend their existence devoted to making sure that every moment of ours goes as smooth as possible.
It would also logically follow thay those in developing countries are rarely fortunate enough to have one of these quote unquote guardian angels."
interesting you feel that way but puca's have exist in some shape or form in all shamanic pre industrial societies as a guiding spirit that is nether good nor evil .
i feel mine is a part of me but somehow separate from me like a part of me i can only glimpse rationally occasionally but its there mainly as what we would call intuition . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No, I consider it a throw back of human exeptionalism to consider ourselves so important that another entity must spend their existence devoted to making sure that every moment of ours goes as smooth as possible.
It would also logically follow thay those in developing countries are rarely fortunate enough to have one of these quote unquote guardian angels.
We are important in many ways. We are here to help others how ever we can with what ever means we have. X"
Indeed I'm far more inclined to believe in humanity and the force for good that it can be. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No, I consider it a throw back of human exeptionalism to consider ourselves so important that another entity must spend their existence devoted to making sure that every moment of ours goes as smooth as possible.
It would also logically follow thay those in developing countries are rarely fortunate enough to have one of these quote unquote guardian angels.
We are important in many ways. We are here to help others how ever we can with what ever means we have. X
Indeed I'm far more inclined to believe in humanity and the force for good that it can be."
But you can have both I believe in it all I will use it to help others that's what it's there for you just have to know how to. They are there to ask questions they will try to help as much as they can. |
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Without being too offensive... If an adult said they believed in father Christmas or the tooth fairy we would tell them to grow up. How is this any different?
Obviously this sort of thing helps some people get through life but it never ceases to amaze me that people can believe something exists for which there is no objective evidence |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Without being too offensive... If an adult said they believed in father Christmas or the tooth fairy we would tell them to grow up. How is this any different?
Obviously this sort of thing helps some people get through life but it never ceases to amaze me that people can believe something exists for which there is no objective evidence "
Some people believe in a God but can we see it.
We all believe in something there should be nothing wrong with that as long as it don't hurt others. |
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"Without being too offensive... If an adult said they believed in father Christmas or the tooth fairy we would tell them to grow up. How is this any different?
Obviously this sort of thing helps some people get through life but it never ceases to amaze me that people can believe something exists for which there is no objective evidence
Some people believe in a God but can we see it.
We all believe in something there should be nothing wrong with that as long as it don't hurt others. "
Indeed. People are free to believe whatever they like and I am free to think some beliefs are nonsense. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No, as a believer in personal responsibility, I employ common sense in my decisions and avoid those who cultivate drama. Unsurprisingly, my life tends to flow smoothly in the main as a result. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Without being too offensive... If an adult said they believed in father Christmas or the tooth fairy we would tell them to grow up. How is this any different?
Obviously this sort of thing helps some people get through life but it never ceases to amaze me that people can believe something exists for which there is no objective evidence
Some people believe in a God but can we see it.
We all believe in something there should be nothing wrong with that as long as it don't hurt others.
Indeed. People are free to believe whatever they like and I am free to think some beliefs are nonsense. "
Yes you can. Is there anything you believe in? |
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By *andsonjohn OP Man
over a year ago
in the eye of the storm |
"Without being too offensive... If an adult said they believed in father Christmas or the tooth fairy we would tell them to grow up. How is this any different?
Obviously this sort of thing helps some people get through life but it never ceases to amaze me that people can believe something exists for which there is no objective evidence "
no i would not behave as you say
i would buy them a coffee and enjoy and marvel at the warmth of there believe
enjoying listening to the joy and happiness radiating from them because both the things you listed stem from far older beliefs than the Christian interruption we have today . |
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"Without being too offensive... If an adult said they believed in father Christmas or the tooth fairy we would tell them to grow up. How is this any different?
Obviously this sort of thing helps some people get through life but it never ceases to amaze me that people can believe something exists for which there is no objective evidence
Some people believe in a God but can we see it.
We all believe in something there should be nothing wrong with that as long as it don't hurt others.
Indeed. People are free to believe whatever they like and I am free to think some beliefs are nonsense.
Yes you can. Is there anything you believe in? "
If you mean do I believe in anything for which there is no objective evidence. The answer is no. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Without being too offensive... If an adult said they believed in father Christmas or the tooth fairy we would tell them to grow up. How is this any different?
Obviously this sort of thing helps some people get through life but it never ceases to amaze me that people can believe something exists for which there is no objective evidence
Some people believe in a God but can we see it.
We all believe in something there should be nothing wrong with that as long as it don't hurt others.
Indeed. People are free to believe whatever they like and I am free to think some beliefs are nonsense.
Yes you can. Is there anything you believe in?
If you mean do I believe in anything for which there is no objective evidence. The answer is no. "
Do you believe in yourself? |
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"Without being too offensive... If an adult said they believed in father Christmas or the tooth fairy we would tell them to grow up. How is this any different?
Obviously this sort of thing helps some people get through life but it never ceases to amaze me that people can believe something exists for which there is no objective evidence
Some people believe in a God but can we see it.
We all believe in something there should be nothing wrong with that as long as it don't hurt others.
Indeed. People are free to believe whatever they like and I am free to think some beliefs are nonsense.
Yes you can. Is there anything you believe in?
If you mean do I believe in anything for which there is no objective evidence. The answer is no.
Do you believe in yourself? "
If you mean do I believe that an organic entity with consciousness exists then yes as there is plenty of evidence for that. Cogito ergo sum. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Without being too offensive... If an adult said they believed in father Christmas or the tooth fairy we would tell them to grow up. How is this any different?
Obviously this sort of thing helps some people get through life but it never ceases to amaze me that people can believe something exists for which there is no objective evidence
Some people believe in a God but can we see it.
We all believe in something there should be nothing wrong with that as long as it don't hurt others.
Indeed. People are free to believe whatever they like and I am free to think some beliefs are nonsense.
Yes you can. Is there anything you believe in?
If you mean do I believe in anything for which there is no objective evidence. The answer is no.
Do you believe in yourself?
If you mean do I believe that an organic entity with consciousness exists then yes as there is plenty of evidence for that. Cogito ergo sum. "
And that the essence of what we are is comprised of chemical energy without our body. Thus because of the conservation of energy when we die this will leave our bodies in the form of heat transfer and other mechanisms when we decay. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Without being too offensive... If an adult said they believed in father Christmas or the tooth fairy we would tell them to grow up. How is this any different?
Obviously this sort of thing helps some people get through life but it never ceases to amaze me that people can believe something exists for which there is no objective evidence
Some people believe in a God but can we see it.
We all believe in something there should be nothing wrong with that as long as it don't hurt others.
Indeed. People are free to believe whatever they like and I am free to think some beliefs are nonsense.
Yes you can. Is there anything you believe in?
If you mean do I believe in anything for which there is no objective evidence. The answer is no.
Do you believe in yourself?
If you mean do I believe that an organic entity with consciousness exists then yes as there is plenty of evidence for that. Cogito ergo sum.
And that the essence of what we are is comprised of chemical energy without our body. Thus because of the conservation of energy when we die this will leave our bodies in the form of heat transfer and other mechanisms when we decay."
I meant within obviously  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I believe my Nana and my Gran are my guardian angels now. My Nana especially, she loved me so much I can't see her never visiting me or watching over me, now she's passed. |
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By *mcouple1Couple
over a year ago
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"Without being too offensive... If an adult said they believed in father Christmas or the tooth fairy we would tell them to grow up. How is this any different?
Obviously this sort of thing helps some people get through life but it never ceases to amaze me that people can believe something exists for which there is no objective evidence "
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By (user no longer on site)
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The OP obviously has a very vivid imagination, his profile confirms that fact.
He obviously has a very high opinion of himself, absolutely nothing wrong with that either.
It is relevant though as such types often think they're special in some way,a possible explanation for believing in certain things.
I only believe in what I see with my own eyes and even then I would want it double checked.
If some believe they are being watched, guided, etc by some unknown force then personally I would have to question their sanity.
I'm not attacking anybody who does btw just expressing my opinion.
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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago
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Obviously this sort of thing helps some people get through life but it never ceases to amaze me that people can believe something exists for which there is no objective evidence "
We take then you do not believe in science as that can change every time a new theory is expounded.
There are many things used daily today that 100 or 200 years ago were just dreams or myths with no objective evidence to back them up until someone decided to investigate them properly.
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By *obitoutMan
over a year ago
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"Without being too offensive... If an adult said they believed in father Christmas or the tooth fairy we would tell them to grow up. How is this any different?
Obviously this sort of thing helps some people get through life but it never ceases to amaze me that people can believe something exists for which there is no objective evidence "
Because we all live by our monkey minds and believe we need mental understanding to make something real. our mind is nothing more than a tiny aspect of what we are. |
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Obviously this sort of thing helps some people get through life but it never ceases to amaze me that people can believe something exists for which there is no objective evidence
We take then you do not believe in science as that can change every time a new theory is expounded.
There are many things used daily today that 100 or 200 years ago were just dreams or myths with no objective evidence to back them up until someone decided to investigate them properly.
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People have believed in gods, ghosts, spirit guides or whatever since the dawn of time. There has never been any scientific evidence that any such things exist or that individuals survive beyond death. I therefore think it entirely reasonable to believe they are nonsense. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Have travelled the world and witnessed at first hand extremes of poverty , persecution , suffering and victimisation I don't insult the sufferers of those circumstance by entertaining such fanciful notions that they are been let down by the lack of intervention of superstitious claptrap  |
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"Without being too offensive... If an adult said they believed in father Christmas or the tooth fairy we would tell them to grow up. How is this any different?
Obviously this sort of thing helps some people get through life but it never ceases to amaze me that people can believe something exists for which there is no objective evidence "
There was no objective evidence for black holes but they existed, they were predicted with science but were believed in. Same with quasars and pulsars. |
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"Without being too offensive... If an adult said they believed in father Christmas or the tooth fairy we would tell them to grow up. How is this any different?
Obviously this sort of thing helps some people get through life but it never ceases to amaze me that people can believe something exists for which there is no objective evidence
There was no objective evidence for black holes but they existed, they were predicted with science but were believed in. Same with quasars and pulsars. "
My point is that throughout history people have wanted there to be life after death. Hence people have been seeking after proof of it for thousands of years. As no evidence has ever been found in that period it's more reasonable to believe there is no life after death than the opposite.
Black holes and so on are not analogous. No one cares one way or the other whether or not they exist. Hence no one was looking for them until, via, their other conclusions some people worked out they existed.
And you have to work on probabilities. I could well be Theresa May. It's not impossible. It's very unlikely though and if I said I was the pm you would be entirely justified in disbelieving me. |
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By *lla_maiWoman
over a year ago
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"I have one who causes hassle wherever i go. Wish itd give me a break from time to time  
I struggle to see the difference between having a spirit guy and hearing voices in your head "
I hear them all the time too  |
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By *andsonjohn OP Man
over a year ago
in the eye of the storm |
"The OP obviously has a very vivid imagination, his profile confirms that fact.
He obviously has a very high opinion of himself, absolutely nothing wrong with that either.
It is relevant though as such types often think they're special in some way,a possible explanation for believing in certain things.
I only believe in what I see with my own eyes and even then I would want it double checked.
If some believe they are being watched, guided, etc by some unknown force then personally I would have to question their sanity.
I'm not attacking anybody who does btw just expressing my opinion.
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really fella is this all you have ....?
you don't no me or never met me .
so in all honesty you have no right to say a single thing about me on a personal level and your post is in breach of site rules as well .
this post says more about you than me fella . |
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By *andsonjohn OP Man
over a year ago
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"I have one who causes hassle wherever i go. Wish itd give me a break from time to time
I struggle to see the difference between having a spirit guy and hearing voices in your head
I hear them all the time too "
your a diamond in the rough but I've told you that before if not I'm saying it now |
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By *andsonjohn OP Man
over a year ago
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"I have one who causes hassle wherever i go. Wish itd give me a break from time to time
I struggle to see the difference between having a spirit guy and hearing voices in your head "
reality is just perception of the individual mind .think on that for a minute does a ant perceive the world as we do no it doesn't because reality is a construct of the minds ability to make sense of sensory input nothing more nothing less . |
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"I have one who causes hassle wherever i go. Wish itd give me a break from time to time
I struggle to see the difference between having a spirit guy and hearing voices in your head
reality is just perception of the individual mind .think on that for a minute does a ant perceive the world as we do no it doesn't because reality is a construct of the minds ability to make sense of sensory input nothing more nothing less . "
If you going for an argument that all reality is nothing but a construct of the individual mind then you are correct that your spirit guide exists in the same way as Buckingham Palace exists - both are merely constructs in your mind.
However the logic of that argument is that there is no external reality and that the only thing that exists is your mind. . Most people will reject that argument as nonsense. |
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By *lla_maiWoman
over a year ago
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"I have one who causes hassle wherever i go. Wish itd give me a break from time to time
I struggle to see the difference between having a spirit guy and hearing voices in your head
I hear them all the time too
your a diamond in the rough but I've told you that before if not I'm saying it now "
Its true, they talk to me all the time. Or is that me talking to them? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/618530
A good mature open and honest debate amongst those with differing views. Worth reading if you hadn't already. I'm sure there are some others too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The OP obviously has a very vivid imagination, his profile confirms that fact.
He obviously has a very high opinion of himself, absolutely nothing wrong with that either.
It is relevant though as such types often think they're special in some way,a possible explanation for believing in certain things.
I only believe in what I see with my own eyes and even then I would want it double checked.
If some believe they are being watched, guided, etc by some unknown force then personally I would have to question their sanity.
I'm not attacking anybody who does btw just expressing my opinion.
really fella is this all you have ....?
you don't no me or never met me .
so in all honesty you have no right to say a single thing about me on a personal level and your post is in breach of site rules as well .
this post says more about you than me fella . "
I expressed my opinion and did say wasn't attacking anybody who shared your views.
As for in breach of site rules ? |
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By *andsonjohn OP Man
over a year ago
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"The OP obviously has a very vivid imagination, his profile confirms that fact.
He obviously has a very high opinion of himself, absolutely nothing wrong with that either.
It is relevant though as such types often think they're special in some way,a possible explanation for believing in certain things.
I only believe in what I see with my own eyes and even then I would want it double checked.
If some believe they are being watched, guided, etc by some unknown force then personally I would have to question their sanity.
I'm not attacking anybody who does btw just expressing my opinion.
really fella is this all you have ....?
you don't no me or never met me .
so in all honesty you have no right to say a single thing about me on a personal level and your post is in breach of site rules as well .
this post says more about you than me fella .
I expressed my opinion and did say wasn't attacking anybody who shared your views.
As for in breach of site rules ? "
you brought up my profile and expressed a opinion on it and therefore me .
which has nothing to do with this topic and is a breach of site rules .
don't sweat it i am not the type to run to the mods over a personal insult aimed at me your with in your rights as a human being to insult me in the world i come from
just remember not everyone will shrug there shoulders and think that the internet for you some will report and hold a grudge. |
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Not having a pop but how do you encode so much negativity towards you? You definitely give off some sort of signal that rubs people up the wrong way. You do it to me and I don't even know why, I'm not saying it to be unkind but it's a kind of smugness, I'm not trying to be insulting but that's the only word that describes it. I dunno, it's weird. |
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"spirit guides or puca's .
i am going to say something controversial well I'm sure it will start a debate at the very least .
I have absolutely no doubt that something watches over me.
what that is i don't no but its there it has always been there
I'm sure the fact I'm naturally a lucky person has sometime to do with it always being there
the same with my strong gut instinct I'm sure that's part of having something watching over me .
so anyone else believe in such things and does anyone else feel they have a protectorate entity watching over them like I feel i do ."
I find that concept offensive
There are millions of children in the world who are slaughtered , maimed and undergo an incomprehensible torturous death at the hands of nature and humans
The notion that you are protected and special , has the flip side that those who do suffer , are not special enough to deserve a guardian
If as you seem to , I genuinely thought or knew I was protected I would insist my protector helped those in real need and if suffering In the world still continued it would prove the super powerful protector thing I thought existed either does not or is a malevolent force xxx
Or simply put the concept of guardian angels is both nonsensical and self absorbed
We are all special x |
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I personally think its a load of made up bullshit But if it helps people get through their life believing someone is watching over them and it doesn't impact my life then carry on,
Life is to short to worry about what others think |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Obviously this sort of thing helps some people get through life but it never ceases to amaze me that people can believe something exists for which there is no objective evidence
We take then you do not believe in science as that can change every time a new theory is expounded.
There are many things used daily today that 100 or 200 years ago were just dreams or myths with no objective evidence to back them up until someone decided to investigate them properly.
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By *andsonjohn OP Man
over a year ago
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"Not having a pop but how do you encode so much negativity towards you? You definitely give off some sort of signal that rubs people up the wrong way. You do it to me and I don't even know why, I'm not saying it to be unkind but it's a kind of smugness, I'm not trying to be insulting but that's the only word that describes it. I dunno, it's weird. "
you have voiced this to me in the past and i have no answer for you . i don't want to derail this post i may one day post on this topic in your post and debate it with you
but this is about feelings irrational yes but a feeling never the less you expressed yourself you feel you nan maybe watching over you .
i do not for one minute doubt you on that nor would i dream of calling you a fantasist or anything else for the simple reason i am not qualified by the fact i don't know you on a personal level to even consider forming such a opinion on you let alone give voice to it . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"spirit guides or puca's .
i am going to say something controversial well I'm sure it will start a debate at the very least .
I have absolutely no doubt that something watches over me.
what that is i don't no but its there it has always been there
I'm sure the fact I'm naturally a lucky person has sometime to do with it always being there
the same with my strong gut instinct I'm sure that's part of having something watching over me .
so anyone else believe in such things and does anyone else feel they have a protectorate entity watching over them like I feel i do .
I find that concept offensive
There are millions of children in the world who are slaughtered , maimed and undergo an incomprehensible torturous death at the hands of nature and humans
The notion that you are protected and special , has the flip side that those who do suffer , are not special enough to deserve a guardian
If as you seem to , I genuinely thought or knew I was protected I would insist my protector helped those in real need and if suffering In the world still continued it would prove the super powerful protector thing I thought existed either does not or is a malevolent force xxx
Or simply put the concept of guardian angels is both nonsensical and self absorbed
We are all special x "
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"A few things have happened throughout life where I'm convinced someone was watching over/looking out for me"
Thing is whenever people say stuff like that what they are referring to is things that could easily be explained without the necessity of positing a spirit guide.
Like I said above if someone told me their spirit guide had told them the winning lottery numbers and lo and behold they then won the lottery, then I might be convinced. |
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By *andsonjohn OP Man
over a year ago
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"spirit guides or puca's .
i am going to say something controversial well I'm sure it will start a debate at the very least .
I have absolutely no doubt that something watches over me.
what that is i don't no but its there it has always been there
I'm sure the fact I'm naturally a lucky person has sometime to do with it always being there
the same with my strong gut instinct I'm sure that's part of having something watching over me .
so anyone else believe in such things and does anyone else feel they have a protectorate entity watching over them like I feel i do .
I find that concept offensive
There are millions of children in the world who are slaughtered , maimed and undergo an incomprehensible torturous death at the hands of nature and humans
The notion that you are protected and special , has the flip side that those who do suffer , are not special enough to deserve a guardian
If as you seem to , I genuinely thought or knew I was protected I would insist my protector helped those in real need and if suffering In the world still continued it would prove the super powerful protector thing I thought existed either does not or is a malevolent force xxx
Or simply put the concept of guardian angels is both nonsensical and self absorbed
We are all special x "
the words protected and special are no where in my original post
clearly you are reading words that are not there like i said somewhere else in this thread
reality is perception your post is a clear example of perceived reality being created for you by the words you thought you read in my post that clearly don't exist in my post .
a example of your mind creating a interruption and therefore a reality to my words that doesn't exist anywhere but in your mind upon reading my words . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A few things have happened throughout life where I'm convinced someone was watching over/looking out for me
Thing is whenever people say stuff like that what they are referring to is things that could easily be explained without the necessity of positing a spirit guide.
Like I said above if someone told me their spirit guide had told them the winning lottery numbers and lo and behold they then won the lottery, then I might be convinced. "
Its just a few things that have kept me out of harm's way. The first couple could be down to luck but the last one really got me thinking |
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"A few things have happened throughout life where I'm convinced someone was watching over/looking out for me
Thing is whenever people say stuff like that what they are referring to is things that could easily be explained without the necessity of positing a spirit guide.
Like I said above if someone told me their spirit guide had told them the winning lottery numbers and lo and behold they then won the lottery, then I might be convinced.
Its just a few things that have kept me out of harm's way. The first couple could be down to luck but the last one really got me thinking "
I assume bad things have happened in your life as well. Why did the spirit not guide you then? |
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"spirit guides or puca's .
i am going to say something controversial well I'm sure it will start a debate at the very least .
I have absolutely no doubt that something watches over me.
what that is i don't no but its there it has always been there
I'm sure the fact I'm naturally a lucky person has sometime to do with it always being there
the same with my strong gut instinct I'm sure that's part of having something watching over me .
so anyone else believe in such things and does anyone else feel they have a protectorate entity watching over them like I feel i do .
I find that concept offensive
There are millions of children in the world who are slaughtered , maimed and undergo an incomprehensible torturous death at the hands of nature and humans
The notion that you are protected and special , has the flip side that those who do suffer , are not special enough to deserve a guardian
If as you seem to , I genuinely thought or knew I was protected I would insist my protector helped those in real need and if suffering In the world still continued it would prove the super powerful protector thing I thought existed either does not or is a malevolent force xxx
Or simply put the concept of guardian angels is both nonsensical and self absorbed
We are all special x
the words protected and special are no where in my original post
clearly you are reading words that are not there like i said somewhere else in this thread
reality is perception your post is a clear example of perceived reality being created for you by the words you thought you read in my post that clearly don't exist in my post .
a example of your mind creating a interruption and therefore a reality to my words that doesn't exist anywhere but in your mind upon reading my words . "
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"A few things have happened throughout life where I'm convinced someone was watching over/looking out for me
Thing is whenever people say stuff like that what they are referring to is things that could easily be explained without the necessity of positing a spirit guide.
Like I said above if someone told me their spirit guide had told them the winning lottery numbers and lo and behold they then won the lottery, then I might be convinced.
Its just a few things that have kept me out of harm's way. The first couple could be down to luck but the last one really got me thinking
I assume bad things have happened in your life as well. Why did the spirit not guide you then? "
I'm talking a game changer like near death bud. Everything else pales in comparison
To me anyway |
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"Without being too offensive... If an adult said they believed in father Christmas or the tooth fairy we would tell them to grow up. How is this any different?
Obviously this sort of thing helps some people get through life but it never ceases to amaze me that people can believe something exists for which there is no objective evidence
There was no objective evidence for black holes but they existed, they were predicted with science but were believed in. Same with quasars and pulsars.
My point is that throughout history people have wanted there to be life after death. Hence people have been seeking after proof of it for thousands of years. As no evidence has ever been found in that period it's more reasonable to believe there is no life after death than the opposite.
Black holes and so on are not analogous. No one cares one way or the other whether or not they exist. Hence no one was looking for them until, via, their other conclusions some people worked out they existed.
And you have to work on probabilities. I could well be Theresa May. It's not impossible. It's very unlikely though and if I said I was the pm you would be entirely justified in disbelieving me. "
I was merely proving you wrong on your assertion that only scientific evidence is proof of existence. Black holes were there before there was proof. QED |
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"No, I consider it a throw back of human exeptionalism to consider ourselves so important that another entity must spend their existence devoted to making sure that every moment of ours goes as smooth as possible.
It would also logically follow thay those in developing countries are rarely fortunate enough to have one of these quote unquote guardian angels.
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There are ministering spirits assigned to each one of us, but they are not with us continually, that would be folly, they come near to us from time to time, put thoughts into our minds to help us along, but cannot force or make us listen to their words placed into our minds, we are free agents...
Most of the time we ignore the gentle afvice placed into our minds and follow our fleshly desires... |
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"Without being too offensive... If an adult said they believed in father Christmas or the tooth fairy we would tell them to grow up. How is this any different?
Obviously this sort of thing helps some people get through life but it never ceases to amaze me that people can believe something exists for which there is no objective evidence
There was no objective evidence for black holes but they existed, they were predicted with science but were believed in. Same with quasars and pulsars.
My point is that throughout history people have wanted there to be life after death. Hence people have been seeking after proof of it for thousands of years. As no evidence has ever been found in that period it's more reasonable to believe there is no life after death than the opposite.
Black holes and so on are not analogous. No one cares one way or the other whether or not they exist. Hence no one was looking for them until, via, their other conclusions some people worked out they existed.
And you have to work on probabilities. I could well be Theresa May. It's not impossible. It's very unlikely though and if I said I was the pm you would be entirely justified in disbelieving me.
I was merely proving you wrong on your assertion that only scientific evidence is proof of existence. Black holes were there before there was proof. QED "
So if I say an invisible pink elephant lives in my back garden you would be entirety neutral as to whether that was true or not because science might ultimately prove invisible pink elephants exist? |
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"No, I consider it a throw back of human exeptionalism to consider ourselves so important that another entity must spend their existence devoted to making sure that every moment of ours goes as smooth as possible.
It would also logically follow thay those in developing countries are rarely fortunate enough to have one of these quote unquote guardian angels.
There are ministering spirits assigned to each one of us, but they are not with us continually, that would be folly, they come near to us from time to time, put thoughts into our minds to help us along, but cannot force or make us listen to their words placed into our minds, we are free agents...
Most of the time we ignore the gentle afvice placed into our minds and follow our fleshly desires..."
Can you give me any data to collaborate that statement as without any data one can only conclude it is pure fabrication xxx |
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"No, I consider it a throw back of human exeptionalism to consider ourselves so important that another entity must spend their existence devoted to making sure that every moment of ours goes as smooth as possible.
It would also logically follow thay those in developing countries are rarely fortunate enough to have one of these quote unquote guardian angels.
There are ministering spirits assigned to each one of us, but they are not with us continually, that would be folly, they come near to us from time to time, put thoughts into our minds to help us along, but cannot force or make us listen to their words placed into our minds, we are free agents...
Most of the time we ignore the gentle afvice placed into our minds and follow our fleshly desires..."
So basically what you are saying is that sometimes wise thoughts come into our head but sometimes we don't act on them.
That's true enough. Why bring spirits into it? |
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"The OP obviously has a very vivid imagination, his profile confirms that fact.
He obviously has a very high opinion of himself, absolutely nothing wrong with that either.
It is relevant though as such types often think they're special in some way,a possible explanation for believing in certain things.
I only believe in what I see with my own eyes and even then I would want it double checked.
If some believe they are being watched, guided, etc by some unknown force then personally I would have to question their sanity.
I'm not attacking anybody who does btw just expressing my opinion.
really fella is this all you have ....?
you don't no me or never met me .
so in all honesty you have no right to say a single thing about me on a personal level and your post is in breach of site rules as well .
this post says more about you than me fella .
I expressed my opinion and did say wasn't attacking anybody who shared your views.
As for in breach of site rules ?
you brought up my profile and expressed a opinion on it and therefore me .
which has nothing to do with this topic and is a breach of site rules .
don't sweat it i am not the type to run to the mods over a personal insult aimed at me your with in your rights as a human being to insult me in the world i come from
just remember not everyone will shrug there shoulders and think that the internet for you some will report and hold a grudge. "
I most certainly wasn't intentionally attacking you personally, I'm really not that way inclined. I was merely trying to understand your mindset, which is why I mentioned your profile and believed it to be relevant to the topic.
I really couldn't give a flying fuck about mods but respect to you for not contacting them. Take care |
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"spirit guides or puca's .
i am going to say something controversial well I'm sure it will start a debate at the very least .
I have absolutely no doubt that something watches over me.
what that is i don't no but its there it has always been there
I'm sure the fact I'm naturally a lucky person has sometime to do with it always being there
the same with my strong gut instinct I'm sure that's part of having something watching over me .
so anyone else believe in such things and does anyone else feel they have a protectorate entity watching over them like I feel i do ."
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"spirit guides or puca's .
i am going to say something controversial well I'm sure it will start a debate at the very least .
I have absolutely no doubt that something watches over me.
what that is i don't no but its there it has always been there
I'm sure the fact I'm naturally a lucky person has sometime to do with it always being there
the same with my strong gut instinct I'm sure that's part of having something watching over me .
so anyone else believe in such things and does anyone else feel they have a protectorate entity watching over them like I feel i do .
I find that concept offensive
There are millions of children in the world who are slaughtered , maimed and undergo an incomprehensible torturous death at the hands of nature and humans
The notion that you are protected and special , has the flip side that those who do suffer , are not special enough to deserve a guardian
If as you seem to , I genuinely thought or knew I was protected I would insist my protector helped those in real need and if suffering In the world still continued it would prove the super powerful protector thing I thought existed either does not or is a malevolent force xxx
Or simply put the concept of guardian angels is both nonsensical and self absorbed
We are all special x
the words protected and special are no where in my original post
clearly you are reading words that are not there like i said somewhere else in this thread
reality is perception your post is a clear example of perceived reality being created for you by the words you thought you read in my post that clearly don't exist in my post .
a example of your mind creating a interruption and therefore a reality to my words that doesn't exist anywhere but in your mind upon reading my words .
Why don't you answer his point. Why do some people get protectors and not others? "
your projecting again no where in my post do i refer to it protecting me or that others do or do not have such a presents in there life .
i feel I'm watched over not by a negative energy shall we say but a positive one that shows its self in the fact I'm lucky and that i have good instincts .
it could just be esp but i perceive it as separate from me because it feels nothing like my other senses .
so there is nothing to your question as i never voice anything to do with your question in my post .
reality is a construct of the mind this means every reality is limited by the processing power of the mind trying to perceive it .
hence how our understanding of reality grows as our understanding of how to make sense of what we perceive grows . |
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"No, I consider it a throw back of human exeptionalism to consider ourselves so important that another entity must spend their existence devoted to making sure that every moment of ours goes as smooth as possible.
It would also logically follow thay those in developing countries are rarely fortunate enough to have one of these quote unquote guardian angels.
There are ministering spirits assigned to each one of us, but they are not with us continually, that would be folly, they come near to us from time to time, put thoughts into our minds to help us along, but cannot force or make us listen to their words placed into our minds, we are free agents...
Most of the time we ignore the gentle afvice placed into our minds and follow our fleshly desires...
So basically what you are saying is that sometimes wise thoughts come into our head but sometimes we don't act on them.
That's true enough. Why bring spirits into it? "
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"spirit guides or puca's .
i am going to say something controversial well I'm sure it will start a debate at the very least .
I have absolutely no doubt that something watches over me.
what that is i don't no but its there it has always been there
I'm sure the fact I'm naturally a lucky person has sometime to do with it always being there
the same with my strong gut instinct I'm sure that's part of having something watching over me .
so anyone else believe in such things and does anyone else feel they have a protectorate entity watching over them like I feel i do .
I find that concept offensive
There are millions of children in the world who are slaughtered , maimed and undergo an incomprehensible torturous death at the hands of nature and humans
The notion that you are protected and special , has the flip side that those who do suffer , are not special enough to deserve a guardian
If as you seem to , I genuinely thought or knew I was protected I would insist my protector helped those in real need and if suffering In the world still continued it would prove the super powerful protector thing I thought existed either does not or is a malevolent force xxx
Or simply put the concept of guardian angels is both nonsensical and self absorbed
We are all special x
the words protected and special are no where in my original post
clearly you are reading words that are not there like i said somewhere else in this thread
reality is perception your post is a clear example of perceived reality being created for you by the words you thought you read in my post that clearly don't exist in my post .
a example of your mind creating a interruption and therefore a reality to my words that doesn't exist anywhere but in your mind upon reading my words .
Why don't you answer his point. Why do some people get protectors and not others?
your projecting again no where in my post do i refer to it protecting me or that others do or do not have such a presents in there life .
i feel I'm watched over not by a negative energy shall we say but a positive one that shows its self in the fact I'm lucky and that i have good instincts .
it could just be esp but i perceive it as separate from me because it feels nothing like my other senses .
so there is nothing to your question as i never voice anything to do with your question in my post .
reality is a construct of the mind this means every reality is limited by the processing power of the mind trying to perceive it .
hence how our understanding of reality grows as our understanding of how to make sense of what we perceive grows ."
No projection or making up your words
o anyone else believe in such things and does anyone else feel they have a protectorate entity watching over them like I feel i do .
I'd re read your OP and then read a dictionary for the definition of protectorate xxx
Id suggest that line itself does directly say you feel you have something protecting you
So I say again why are you more deserving of a protectorate enterty than the countless ladies who are aped each hour ?
Surviving near death has zero to do with an imagined concept of a protective , sorry , protectorate enterty
And not a projection but a logical extrapolation of your words observe the underlying implication of your statement which is you have a protector and others do not leading to why the cosmos feels you deserve protecting and others do not leading to simple semantics that the cosmos thinks you are more special than others , and if you are reasonably intelligent that reasoning is available to your mind and thus it is not unreasonable to conclude you feel the cosmos thinks you are more deserving of a protectorate enterty than other humans thus you are using a simile suggesting you indeed think yourself in the eyes of the cosmos more special than others who suffer x
One thing I detest is
After a horrific crash a child endures 16 hours of surgery by a team of 20 highly trained medical professionals, and she survives
The parents then go on and thank that vile god concept
Shit happens some survive some do not , with this I can psychologically survive and progress through life
Suggest a creature or sentient force is orchestrating said tune and has favourites and my peace is overloaded with unjust inequity and venom towards the orchestrator of such sadism x |
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So if I say an invisible pink elephant lives in my back garden you would be entirety neutral as to whether that was true or not because science might ultimately prove invisible pink elephants exist? "
No but we would ask you some questions about it.
For example how big is it.
That would be important because if the claim was it was the size of a normal elephant there would be traces of it, damage to plants where it had walked, or grazed, whereas if it was the size of a mouse there might not be visible traces.
BTW it is possible to put an elephant 20 yards in front of you and you would be unable to see it simply by using active camouflage.
"
One thing I detest is
After a horrific crash a child endures 16 hours of surgery by a team of 20 highly trained medical professionals, and she survives
The parents then go on and thank that vile god concept
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Perhaps another reason could be you have a closed mind, it is possible that the team of 20 highly trained medical professionals were provided with the skills to save life by that very God you call vile.
There is more than one way to get a result, a person can get down and dirty and do the task themselves or can train others to do the work for them.
There is no reason why if a God exists that he/she/it cannot delegate in a similar way.
We only have the words of other people written and translated many hundreds of years ago what God (Gods) can or cannot do, we don’t have any writings by the God himself/herself/itself.
Only people with closed minds can deny the possibility that a God or Gods exist, science teaches us that.
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So if I say an invisible pink elephant lives in my back garden you would be entirety neutral as to whether that was true or not because science might ultimately prove invisible pink elephants exist?
No but we would ask you some questions about it.
For example how big is it.
That would be important because if the claim was it was the size of a normal elephant there would be traces of it, damage to plants where it had walked, or grazed, whereas if it was the size of a mouse there might not be visible traces.
BTW it is possible to put an elephant 20 yards in front of you and you would be unable to see it simply by using active camouflage.
One thing I detest is
After a horrific crash a child endures 16 hours of surgery by a team of 20 highly trained medical professionals, and she survives
The parents then go on and thank that vile god concept
Perhaps another reason could be you have a closed mind, it is possible that the team of 20 highly trained medical professionals were provided with the skills to save life by that very God you call vile.
There is more than one way to get a result, a person can get down and dirty and do the task themselves or can train others to do the work for them.
There is no reason why if a God exists that he/she/it cannot delegate in a similar way.
We only have the words of other people written and translated many hundreds of years ago what God (Gods) can or cannot do, we don’t have any writings by the God himself/herself/itself.
Only people with closed minds can deny the possibility that a God or Gods exist, science teaches us that.
"
Apart from
Modern humanity has been evidenced to exist for over a million years
Yet when eventually when humans manage to repair ourselves it is god to thank ?
Any particular reason a god decided to allow humans to suffer so long or indeed continue to suffer ? Any reason whilst in the pursuit of the technology and skills to fix humans , shall we suggest heart transplants , that hundreds suffered and died
Evidence of humanity , the natural world and the fact the word parasite exist , lead this most open mind to conclude that either evolution is a wonderful indiscriminate driver of diversity and specialisation or that a sentient creator is a malevolent sadistic force
For my mental well being and because the data overwhelmingly supports , that all creator concepts are human invented and in most cases not only beyond plausible but logically impossible oxymoronic in their construction because the humans who have penned them are not astute enough to spot the contradictions too concerned with forcing the metaphoric round peg into a square hole to
Match their distorted view points xxx |
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You're facing an important life decision and consult a friend about what you should do. Your friend says they need to consult their spirit guide before getting back to you.
Is there anyone on here who wouldn't think their friend was batshit crazy and discount anything they say? |
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So if I say an invisible pink elephant lives in my back garden you would be entirety neutral as to whether that was true or not because science might ultimately prove invisible pink elephants exist?
No but we would ask you some questions about it.
For example how big is it.
That would be important because if the claim was it was the size of a normal elephant there would be traces of it, damage to plants where it had walked, or grazed, whereas if it was the size of a mouse there might not be visible traces.
BTW it is possible to put an elephant 20 yards in front of you and you would be unable to see it simply by using active camouflage.
One thing I detest is
After a horrific crash a child endures 16 hours of surgery by a team of 20 highly trained medical professionals, and she survives
The parents then go on and thank that vile god concept
Perhaps another reason could be you have a closed mind, it is possible that the team of 20 highly trained medical professionals were provided with the skills to save life by that very God you call vile.
There is more than one way to get a result, a person can get down and dirty and do the task themselves or can train others to do the work for them.
There is no reason why if a God exists that he/she/it cannot delegate in a similar way.
We only have the words of other people written and translated many hundreds of years ago what God (Gods) can or cannot do, we don’t have any writings by the God himself/herself/itself.
Only people with closed minds can deny the possibility that a God or Gods exist, science teaches us that.
Apart from
Modern humanity has been evidenced to exist for over a million years
Yet when eventually when humans manage to repair ourselves it is god to thank ?
Any particular reason a god decided to allow humans to suffer so long or indeed continue to suffer ? Any reason whilst in the pursuit of the technology and skills to fix humans , shall we suggest heart transplants , that hundreds suffered and died
Evidence of humanity , the natural world and the fact the word parasite exist , lead this most open mind to conclude that either evolution is a wonderful indiscriminate driver of diversity and specialisation or that a sentient creator is a malevolent sadistic force
For my mental well being and because the data overwhelmingly supports , that all creator concepts are human invented and in most cases not only beyond plausible but logically impossible oxymoronic in their construction because the humans who have penned them are not astute enough to spot the contradictions too concerned with forcing the metaphoric round peg into a square hole to
Match their distorted view points xxx "
The best lecture I ever heard on the existant of a benign Creator, a higher intelligence that organised the elements, the atoms etc, was from a Top uK Nuclear scientist, he said it was the study and research of the atom, molecules, the varied combinations that made up everything convinced him and many of his collegues that this was the work of a higher intelligent being... |
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So if I say an invisible pink elephant lives in my back garden you would be entirety neutral as to whether that was true or not because science might ultimately prove invisible pink elephants exist?
No but we would ask you some questions about it.
For example how big is it.
That would be important because if the claim was it was the size of a normal elephant there would be traces of it, damage to plants where it had walked, or grazed, whereas if it was the size of a mouse there might not be visible traces.
BTW it is possible to put an elephant 20 yards in front of you and you would be unable to see it simply by using active camouflage.
One thing I detest is
After a horrific crash a child endures 16 hours of surgery by a team of 20 highly trained medical professionals, and she survives
The parents then go on and thank that vile god concept
Perhaps another reason could be you have a closed mind, it is possible that the team of 20 highly trained medical professionals were provided with the skills to save life by that very God you call vile.
There is more than one way to get a result, a person can get down and dirty and do the task themselves or can train others to do the work for them.
There is no reason why if a God exists that he/she/it cannot delegate in a similar way.
We only have the words of other people written and translated many hundreds of years ago what God (Gods) can or cannot do, we don’t have any writings by the God himself/herself/itself.
Only people with closed minds can deny the possibility that a God or Gods exist, science teaches us that.
Apart from
Modern humanity has been evidenced to exist for over a million years
Yet when eventually when humans manage to repair ourselves it is god to thank ?
Any particular reason a god decided to allow humans to suffer so long or indeed continue to suffer ? Any reason whilst in the pursuit of the technology and skills to fix humans , shall we suggest heart transplants , that hundreds suffered and died
Evidence of humanity , the natural world and the fact the word parasite exist , lead this most open mind to conclude that either evolution is a wonderful indiscriminate driver of diversity and specialisation or that a sentient creator is a malevolent sadistic force
For my mental well being and because the data overwhelmingly supports , that all creator concepts are human invented and in most cases not only beyond plausible but logically impossible oxymoronic in their construction because the humans who have penned them are not astute enough to spot the contradictions too concerned with forcing the metaphoric round peg into a square hole to
Match their distorted view points xxx
The best lecture I ever heard on the existant of a benign Creator, a higher intelligence that organised the elements, the atoms etc, was from a Top uK Nuclear scientist, he said it was the study and research of the atom, molecules, the varied combinations that made up everything convinced him and many of his collegues that this was the work of a higher intelligent being..."
Ok
ID
" I intelligent human am astounded at how amazing and apparently idiosyncratic intricate and precise the underlying engineering of the entire natural world is
My experience of such detail is the sentient manner in which I have observed humans create stuff , example boing 747 or a computer chip
It is beyond my understanding to accept that such complexity can randomly occur
Thus my brain necessitates a thing smart enough and capable enough to design and build a universe and it's humanity within it "
Ok however
Whatever the creator concept that our "scientist?" "reasons" MUST exist to design and create astounding systems
IT "the creator " MUST be as complex or vastly more so than the astounding stuff it creates . Therefore , we have an infinite logical regression ,
If a "scientist" or anyone feels complexity requires a creator then their logic will always regress to their creator necessitating a creator of its very own
Own goal xxx
Evolutionary process even non biological provides a stop to any regression , negates any need or logic for a creator concept and all it requires to exist is energy fundamental matter and time
In infinite time moving simple stuff will hit other stuff
If the stuff can survive it will if it can't it won't
Result will be stuff that can survive will and that that can't won't
No creator required no regression
Whatever exists is amazing , and how it came to exist is astounding , however a creator concept added to the mix is always an added layer of incomprehensable complexity that solves nothing especially the fact that stuff appears so complex and requires a solution to it's own existence |
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So if I say an invisible pink elephant lives in my back garden you would be entirety neutral as to whether that was true or not because science might ultimately prove invisible pink elephants exist?
No but we would ask you some questions about it.
For example how big is it.
That would be important because if the claim was it was the size of a normal elephant there would be traces of it, damage to plants where it had walked, or grazed, whereas if it was the size of a mouse there might not be visible traces.
BTW it is possible to put an elephant 20 yards in front of you and you would be unable to see it simply by using active camouflage.
One thing I detest is
After a horrific crash a child endures 16 hours of surgery by a team of 20 highly trained medical professionals, and she survives
The parents then go on and thank that vile god concept
Perhaps another reason could be you have a closed mind, it is possible that the team of 20 highly trained medical professionals were provided with the skills to save life by that very God you call vile.
There is more than one way to get a result, a person can get down and dirty and do the task themselves or can train others to do the work for them.
There is no reason why if a God exists that he/she/it cannot delegate in a similar way.
We only have the words of other people written and translated many hundreds of years ago what God (Gods) can or cannot do, we don’t have any writings by the God himself/herself/itself.
Only people with closed minds can deny the possibility that a God or Gods exist, science teaches us that.
Apart from
Modern humanity has been evidenced to exist for over a million years
Yet when eventually when humans manage to repair ourselves it is god to thank ?
Any particular reason a god decided to allow humans to suffer so long or indeed continue to suffer ? Any reason whilst in the pursuit of the technology and skills to fix humans , shall we suggest heart transplants , that hundreds suffered and died
Evidence of humanity , the natural world and the fact the word parasite exist , lead this most open mind to conclude that either evolution is a wonderful indiscriminate driver of diversity and specialisation or that a sentient creator is a malevolent sadistic force
For my mental well being and because the data overwhelmingly supports , that all creator concepts are human invented and in most cases not only beyond plausible but logically impossible oxymoronic in their construction because the humans who have penned them are not astute enough to spot the contradictions too concerned with forcing the metaphoric round peg into a square hole to
Match their distorted view points xxx
The best lecture I ever heard on the existant of a benign Creator, a higher intelligence that organised the elements, the atoms etc, was from a Top uK Nuclear scientist, he said it was the study and research of the atom, molecules, the varied combinations that made up everything convinced him and many of his collegues that this was the work of a higher intelligent being...
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" I intelligent human am astounded at how amazing and apparently idiosyncratic intricate and precise the underlying engineering of the entire natural world is
My experience of such detail is the sentient manner in which I have observed humans create stuff , example boing 747 or a computer chip
It is beyond my understanding to accept that such complexity can randomly occur
Thus my brain necessitates a thing smart enough and capable enough to design and build a universe and it's humanity within it "
Ok however
Whatever the creator concept that our "scientist?" "reasons" MUST exist to design and create astounding systems
IT "the creator " MUST be as complex or vastly more so than the astounding stuff it creates . Therefore , we have an infinite logical regression ,
If a "scientist" or anyone feels complexity requires a creator then their logic will always regress to their creator necessitating a creator of its very own
Own goal xxx
Evolutionary process even non biological provides a stop to any regression , negates any need or logic for a creator concept and all it requires to exist is energy fundamental matter and time
In infinite time moving simple stuff will hit other stuff
If the stuff can survive it will if it can't it won't
Result will be stuff that can survive will and that that can't won't
No creator required no regression
Whatever exists is amazing , and how it came to exist is astounding , however a creator concept added to the mix is always an added layer of incomprehensable complexity that solves nothing especially the fact that stuff appears so complex and requires a solution to it's own existence "
In short; In an existance with infinite time and space every possibility is a mathematical certainty.
Also I prefer newtons flaming laser sword as my go to for questions like these.
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"spirit guides or puca's .
i am going to say something controversial well I'm sure it will start a debate at the very least .
I have absolutely no doubt that something watches over me.
what that is i don't no but its there it has always been there
I'm sure the fact I'm naturally a lucky person has sometime to do with it always being there
the same with my strong gut instinct I'm sure that's part of having something watching over me .
so anyone else believe in such things and does anyone else feel they have a protectorate entity watching over them like I feel i do ."
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