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"Seems he's on his last legs. I bet the victims families would prefer he didn't have such care. " That's what separates most of us from people like him, humanity and compassion. | |||
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"Doctors take an oath to care for people no matter who they are. They are just doing their job. If the system says he is entitled to care then don't think we can do much about it. Weather it's morally right or wrong? Well that's difficult. He was given a life sentence and will end his life in custody so guess he will have paid the price for his horrible act's. Personally I think he should have been put to death at the time of being found guilty. Him being dead isn't going to bring back his victims. I am not religious but if I was I would like to think that he will get what he deserves in the after-life. Tricky talking point. "  | |||
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"Wonder how much the total cost will be to the tax payer to have him locked away all this time. Then I'm thinking it's going to be some hideous sum of money that many NHS patients would benefit from. "That's what separates the likes of him from the rest of us. We can't give medical attention to people based on how good or bad they've been in my opinion. I'm not sorry that Ian Brady is dying though. | |||
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"Wonder how much the total cost will be to the tax payer to have him locked away all this time. Then I'm thinking it's going to be some hideous sum of money that many NHS patients would benefit from.
That's what separates the likes of him from the rest of us. We can't give medical attention to people based on how good or bad they've been in my opinion.
I'm not sorry that Ian Brady is dying though."Totally agree with this, reacting in any other way does nothing other than bringing us down to their level.. this applies to most crimes for me too. We as a society owe it to each other to try to not allow evil to breed evil. | |||
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"Keep him alive that's what I say. Hopefully he will be in excruciating pain the pathetic skinny vile Scottish cunt !" We are touring Scotland right now. We have met the friendliest bunch of people here. What has this man being Scottish to do with his crimes? - Mrs. J - | |||
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"Seems he's on his last legs. I bet the victims families would prefer he didn't have such care. " is he suffering right now yes anything that prolongs that suffering and that fear of his own death approaching is in my opinion a great from of punishment in its own right . he is now suffering the same mental torture he practised on his victims and the same level of pain no doubt karmas a bitch as the saying goes . | |||
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"He should be given the minimal (don't)care possible, enough to keep him breathing until that fails,,, that's still more than he offered those kids,, "
He has cost us all a massive amount of money to take care of him while others have suffered with what he did !
The death penalty should have been carried out on the pair of them !! | |||
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"Wonder how much the total cost will be to the tax payer to have him locked away all this time. Then I'm thinking it's going to be some hideous sum of money that many NHS patients would benefit from.
That's what separates the likes of him from the rest of us. We can't give medical attention to people based on how good or bad they've been in my opinion.
I'm not sorry that Ian Brady is dying though.
Totally agree with this, reacting in any other way does nothing other than bringing us down to their level.. this applies to most crimes for me too.
We as a society owe it to each other to try to not allow evil to breed evil."Well surely nothing would go wrong if we just withdrew the human rights of people we don't like? | |||
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"Wonder how much the total cost will be to the tax payer to have him locked away all this time. Then I'm thinking it's going to be some hideous sum of money that many NHS patients would benefit from.
That's what separates the likes of him from the rest of us. We can't give medical attention to people based on how good or bad they've been in my opinion.
I'm not sorry that Ian Brady is dying though.
Totally agree with this, reacting in any other way does nothing other than bringing us down to their level.. this applies to most crimes for me too.
We as a society owe it to each other to try to not allow evil to breed evil.
Well surely nothing would go wrong if we just withdrew the human rights of people we don't like? "I think history has shown otherwise. | |||
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"Wonder how much the total cost will be to the tax payer to have him locked away all this time. Then I'm thinking it's going to be some hideous sum of money that many NHS patients would benefit from.
That's what separates the likes of him from the rest of us. We can't give medical attention to people based on how good or bad they've been in my opinion.
I'm not sorry that Ian Brady is dying though.
Totally agree with this, reacting in any other way does nothing other than bringing us down to their level.. this applies to most crimes for me too.
We as a society owe it to each other to try to not allow evil to breed evil.
Well surely nothing would go wrong if we just withdrew the human rights of people we don't like?
I think history has shown otherwise."I think they were being sarcastic taking into account the number of comments suggesting that end-of-life care be withdrawn for a human-being or that he be provided with life-prolonging care as a sort of a punishment for his crimes - Mrs. J - | |||
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"Wonder how much the total cost will be to the tax payer to have him locked away all this time. Then I'm thinking it's going to be some hideous sum of money that many NHS patients would benefit from.
That's what separates the likes of him from the rest of us. We can't give medical attention to people based on how good or bad they've been in my opinion.
I'm not sorry that Ian Brady is dying though.
Totally agree with this, reacting in any other way does nothing other than bringing us down to their level.. this applies to most crimes for me too.
We as a society owe it to each other to try to not allow evil to breed evil.
Well surely nothing would go wrong if we just withdrew the human rights of people we don't like?
I think history has shown otherwise.
I think they were being sarcastic taking into account the number of comments suggesting that end-of-life care be withdrawn for a human-being or that he be provided with life-prolonging care as a sort of a punishment for his crimes
- Mrs. J -"As sheldon cooper once said: "nailed it" | |||
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"Wonder how much the total cost will be to the tax payer to have him locked away all this time. Then I'm thinking it's going to be some hideous sum of money that many NHS patients would benefit from.
That's what separates the likes of him from the rest of us. We can't give medical attention to people based on how good or bad they've been in my opinion.
I'm not sorry that Ian Brady is dying though.
Totally agree with this, reacting in any other way does nothing other than bringing us down to their level.. this applies to most crimes for me too.
We as a society owe it to each other to try to not allow evil to breed evil.
Well surely nothing would go wrong if we just withdrew the human rights of people we don't like?
I think history has shown otherwise.
I think they were being sarcastic taking into account the number of comments suggesting that end-of-life care be withdrawn for a human-being or that he be provided with life-prolonging care as a sort of a punishment for his crimes
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As sheldon cooper once said: "nailed it" "Ah right. I wondered given your other posts in the forum but I don't like to assume. | |||
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"Wonder how much the total cost will be to the tax payer to have him locked away all this time. Then I'm thinking it's going to be some hideous sum of money that many NHS patients would benefit from.
That's what separates the likes of him from the rest of us. We can't give medical attention to people based on how good or bad they've been in my opinion.
I'm not sorry that Ian Brady is dying though.
Totally agree with this, reacting in any other way does nothing other than bringing us down to their level.. this applies to most crimes for me too.
We as a society owe it to each other to try to not allow evil to breed evil.
Well surely nothing would go wrong if we just withdrew the human rights of people we don't like?
I think history has shown otherwise.
I think they were being sarcastic taking into account the number of comments suggesting that end-of-life care be withdrawn for a human-being or that he be provided with life-prolonging care as a sort of a punishment for his crimes
- Mrs. J -
As sheldon cooper once said: "nailed it"
Ah right. I wondered given your other posts in the forum but I don't like to assume."Pretty sure I've never advocated removing a persons human rights | |||
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"Keep him alive that's what I say. Hopefully he will be in excruciating pain the pathetic skinny vile Scottish cunt ! We are touring Scotland right now. We have met the friendliest bunch of people here. What has this man being Scottish to do with his crimes? - Mrs. J -" Bore off ! | |||
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"Keep him alive that's what I say. Hopefully he will be in excruciating pain the pathetic skinny vile Scottish cunt ! We are touring Scotland right now. We have met the friendliest bunch of people here. What has this man being Scottish to do with his crimes? - Mrs. J - Bore off !" Great comeback there...  | |||
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"Wonder how much the total cost will be to the tax payer to have him locked away all this time. Then I'm thinking it's going to be some hideous sum of money that many NHS patients would benefit from.
That's what separates the likes of him from the rest of us. We can't give medical attention to people based on how good or bad they've been in my opinion.
I'm not sorry that Ian Brady is dying though.
Totally agree with this, reacting in any other way does nothing other than bringing us down to their level.. this applies to most crimes for me too.
We as a society owe it to each other to try to not allow evil to breed evil.
Well surely nothing would go wrong if we just withdrew the human rights of people we don't like? "Totally, what could possibly go wrong there..  | |||
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"Keep him alive that's what I say. Hopefully he will be in excruciating pain the pathetic skinny vile Scottish cunt ! We are touring Scotland right now. We have met the friendliest bunch of people here. What has this man being Scottish to do with his crimes? - Mrs. J - Bore off !" Still don't understand your comment about him being Scottish. And certainly did not understand the "bore off", comment. It didn't make any sense - Mrs. J - | |||
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"Wonder how much the total cost will be to the tax payer to have him locked away all this time. Then I'm thinking it's going to be some hideous sum of money that many NHS patients would benefit from.
That's what separates the likes of him from the rest of us. We can't give medical attention to people based on how good or bad they've been in my opinion.
I'm not sorry that Ian Brady is dying though.
Totally agree with this, reacting in any other way does nothing other than bringing us down to their level.. this applies to most crimes for me too.
We as a society owe it to each other to try to not allow evil to breed evil.
Well surely nothing would go wrong if we just withdrew the human rights of people we don't like?
I think history has shown otherwise.
I think they were being sarcastic taking into account the number of comments suggesting that end-of-life care be withdrawn for a human-being or that he be provided with life-prolonging care as a sort of a punishment for his crimes
- Mrs. J -
As sheldon cooper once said: "nailed it"
Ah right. I wondered given your other posts in the forum but I don't like to assume.
Pretty sure I've never advocated removing a persons human rights "Yes. That's my point. It wasn't the kind of point you normally make. | |||
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"I quick controversial question for all those saying rise above human rights and all that . I say this if you walked in on him and her as your child cried out for you in absolute agony and fear at what he was doing to them . would you think of his rights as a human beiung at that moment or would you react like you would if a rabid dog was attracting your child and do all you could to stop the dog even killing it if that's what it took . i guess I'm saying this surely human rights of the attacker only apply when its not your child that was not involved . its easy to take the high ground when its someone else not you . " I would tear him limb from limb. I would undoubtedly feel differently if he had committed those atrocities against a loved one. | |||
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"I quick controversial question for all those saying rise above human rights and all that . I say this if you walked in on him and her as your child cried out for you in absolute agony and fear at what he was doing to them . would you think of his rights as a human beiung at that moment or would you react like you would if a rabid dog was attracting your child and do all you could to stop the dog even killing it if that's what it took . i guess I'm saying this surely human rights of the attacker only apply when its not your child that was not involved . its easy to take the high ground when its someone else not you . " That's your call. You do what you have to and in turn suffer the consequences brought about by your actions. Have you campaigned against Brady? Written to your MP? Done anything? No of course you haven't. You're all mouth. Society is fucked. To do our absolute best to unfuck it we have to sometimes do things that make us uncomfortable and that includes caring for other humans regardless of their personal circumstance. | |||
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"I quick controversial question for all those saying rise above human rights and all that . I say this if you walked in on him and her as your child cried out for you in absolute agony and fear at what he was doing to them . would you think of his rights as a human beiung at that moment or would you react like you would if a rabid dog was attracting your child and do all you could to stop the dog even killing it if that's what it took . i guess I'm saying this surely human rights of the attacker only apply when its not your child that was not involved . its easy to take the high ground when its someone else not you . " If he was doing that to my child in the here and now, I would do *anything* to protect my child; and if that included picking up a knife and stabbing him, then I would do that. I know that my husband would pulverise him into an unrecognisable pulp with his bare hands But he is not doing that now. He is in prison and dying. Doing anything inhumane now is not because we will be protecting anyone; it will be out of revenge - Mrs. J - | |||
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"I quick controversial question for all those saying rise above human rights and all that . I say this if you walked in on him and her as your child cried out for you in absolute agony and fear at what he was doing to them . would you think of his rights as a human beiung at that moment or would you react like you would if a rabid dog was attracting your child and do all you could to stop the dog even killing it if that's what it took . i guess I'm saying this surely human rights of the attacker only apply when its not your child that was not involved . its easy to take the high ground when its someone else not you . I would tear him limb from limb. I would undoubtedly feel differently if he had committed those atrocities against a loved one." exactly and a reason why i believe punishment should be decided with in a frame work of punishment befitting the crime by those wronged by someone's actions after a year of counselling designed to help the victims of the crimes come to terms with what happened . | |||
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"I quick controversial question for all those saying rise above human rights and all that . I say this if you walked in on him and her as your child cried out for you in absolute agony and fear at what he was doing to them . would you think of his rights as a human beiung at that moment or would you react like you would if a rabid dog was attracting your child and do all you could to stop the dog even killing it if that's what it took . i guess I'm saying this surely human rights of the attacker only apply when its not your child that was not involved . its easy to take the high ground when its someone else not you . " This isn't the case though, the guy is slowly dying in prison. This wouldn't be an emotive act, it would be deliberate. I don't know about you, but that's not who I'd want to be. | |||
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"I quick controversial question for all those saying rise above human rights and all that . I say this if you walked in on him and her as your child cried out for you in absolute agony and fear at what he was doing to them . would you think of his rights as a human beiung at that moment or would you react like you would if a rabid dog was attracting your child and do all you could to stop the dog even killing it if that's what it took . i guess I'm saying this surely human rights of the attacker only apply when its not your child that was not involved . its easy to take the high ground when its someone else not you . I would tear him limb from limb. I would undoubtedly feel differently if he had committed those atrocities against a loved one. exactly and a reason why i believe punishment should be decided with in a frame work of punishment befitting the crime by those wronged by someone's actions after a year of counselling designed to help the victims of the crimes come to terms with what happened . " You believe that. I believe differently. Vive la difference! | |||
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"Keep him alive that's what I say. Hopefully he will be in excruciating pain the pathetic skinny vile Scottish cunt ! We are touring Scotland right now. We have met the friendliest bunch of people here. What has this man being Scottish to do with his crimes? - Mrs. J - Bore off ! Great comeback there... "Works for me ! Was Greggs busy ? | |||
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"All I wish is that he tell someone on his death bed when Keith Bennett is but I doubt that will happen. Hopefully one day his remains will be found and he will be laid to rest with his loving mother. PTU xxx "
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"I quick controversial question for all those saying rise above human rights and all that . I say this if you walked in on him and her as your child cried out for you in absolute agony and fear at what he was doing to them . would you think of his rights as a human beiung at that moment or would you react like you would if a rabid dog was attracting your child and do all you could to stop the dog even killing it if that's what it took . i guess I'm saying this surely human rights of the attacker only apply when its not your child that was not involved . its easy to take the high ground when its someone else not you . I would tear him limb from limb. I would undoubtedly feel differently if he had committed those atrocities against a loved one. exactly and a reason why i believe punishment should be decided with in a frame work of punishment befitting the crime by those wronged by someone's actions after a year of counselling designed to help the victims of the crimes come to terms with what happened . You believe that. I believe differently. Vive la difference!" exactly there is no right or wrong there is just perception . | |||
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"Seems he's on his last legs. I bet the victims families would prefer he didn't have such care. is he suffering right now yes anything that prolongs that suffering and that fear of his own death approaching is in my opinion a great from of punishment in its own right . he is now suffering the same mental torture he practised on his victims and the same level of pain no doubt karmas a bitch as the saying goes . " he's a psychopath, it doesn't quite work that way and he's been trying to end his own life for decades | |||
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"Keep him alive that's what I say. Hopefully he will be in excruciating pain the pathetic skinny vile Scottish cunt ! We are touring Scotland right now. We have met the friendliest bunch of people here. What has this man being Scottish to do with his crimes? - Mrs. J - Bore off ! Great comeback there...
Works for me ! Was Greggs busy ?"Greggs? | |||
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"Doctors take an oath to care for people no matter who they are. They are just doing their job. If the system says he is entitled to care then don't think we can do much about it. Weather it's morally right or wrong? Well that's difficult. He was given a life sentence and will end his life in custody so guess he will have paid the price for his horrible act's. Personally I think he should have been put to death at the time of being found guilty. Him being dead isn't going to bring back his victims. I am not religious but if I was I would like to think that he will get what he deserves in the after-life. Tricky talking point. " | |||
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"Seems he's on his last legs. I bet the victims families would prefer he didn't have such care. is he suffering right now yes anything that prolongs that suffering and that fear of his own death approaching is in my opinion a great from of punishment in its own right . he is now suffering the same mental torture he practised on his victims and the same level of pain no doubt karmas a bitch as the saying goes . he's a psychopath, it doesn't quite work that way and he's been trying to end his own life for decades" yes and he cant showing it must be hell for him being locked up a fitting punishment is keeping him alive to suffer his own fate brought on by his own actions against children and society in general . | |||
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"Doctors take an oath to care for people no matter who they are. They are just doing their job. If the system says he is entitled to care then don't think we can do much about it. Weather it's morally right or wrong? Well that's difficult. He was given a life sentence and will end his life in custody so guess he will have paid the price for his horrible act's. Personally I think he should have been put to death at the time of being found guilty. Him being dead isn't going to bring back his victims. I am not religious but if I was I would like to think that he will get what he deserves in the after-life. Tricky talking point. "It is a tricky talking point. Not quite sure about people who wish him bad in an after life though. If you wish him to suffer and there is no after life I'm playing devils advocate.
Personally I think we've spent enough time and money on him. He has been looked after very well for nothing in return to society. Couldn't even let Kenneth's poor mother grieve her son properly. Shown no remorse and his actions over the years have meant more money spending on him. I'm not a vengeful person at all, but for this guy, if he has 24 hours left on this planet, I wouldn't object to end of life care being withdrawn completely and let the bastard die alone and uncared for. Still a better end than his poor victims got. | |||
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"I guess I'm just pleased he was caught and jailed and no others fell victim to his actions. I have no concern over his future or treatment but I am concerned for the relatives of the victims who live with the outcome of his actions for ever. " Yes. Their lives must have been terribly affected . I often wonder when people talk about karma as being a tit for tat kind of thing what they think victims of terrible crimes like this did to deserve it.
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"All punishments meted out by society contain an element of " revenge " as such. As society becomes more " civilised ", such punishments become watered down, and now you have jails that are like 5 star hotels, free gyms, tv in every room ( they can't be called cells they are too nice) and prisoners who complain because they are locked up for 7 hours at a time. "Society" needs to get its head out of its arse and realise that, if they are going to call it a " punishment ' then it needs to have an element of hardship included. Brady should have been put down when he was convicted." i take it you've been then? | |||
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"All punishments meted out by society contain an element of " revenge " as such. As society becomes more " civilised ", such punishments become watered down, and now you have jails that are like 5 star hotels, free gyms, tv in every room ( they can't be called cells they are too nice) and prisoners who complain because they are locked up for 7 hours at a time. "Society" needs to get its head out of its arse and realise that, if they are going to call it a " punishment ' then it needs to have an element of hardship included. Brady should have been put down when he was convicted. i take it you've been then? " In prison? No, but I know people who have, and not one of them was phased by it, although none did a long stretch. | |||
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"All punishments meted out by society contain an element of " revenge " as such. As society becomes more " civilised ", such punishments become watered down, and now you have jails that are like 5 star hotels, free gyms, tv in every room ( they can't be called cells they are too nice) and prisoners who complain because they are locked up for 7 hours at a time. "Society" needs to get its head out of its arse and realise that, if they are going to call it a " punishment ' then it needs to have an element of hardship included. Brady should have been put down when he was convicted." I've worked in a prison and you can't treat them like animals because they'll act like animals. To ensure our jobs had the least amount of risk when dealing with people who have committed crimes the aim is to keep everything as calm as possible. It's no walk in the park. Shit happens when they are stuck in their cells for 22 hours of the day, it's no 5* hotel, believe me. | |||
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"Keep him alive that's what I say. Hopefully he will be in excruciating pain the pathetic skinny vile Scottish cunt ! We are touring Scotland right now. We have met the friendliest bunch of people here. What has this man being Scottish to do with his crimes? - Mrs. J - Bore off ! Great comeback there...
Works for me ! Was Greggs busy ?
Greggs? "Oh I think he's calling me fat! I do love a sausage roll though! | |||
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"Keep him alive that's what I say. Hopefully he will be in excruciating pain the pathetic skinny vile Scottish cunt ! We are touring Scotland right now. We have met the friendliest bunch of people here. What has this man being Scottish to do with his crimes? - Mrs. J - Bore off ! Great comeback there...
Works for me ! Was Greggs busy ?
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Oh I think he's calling me fat! I do love a sausage roll though! "And Gregg's sausage rolls are the pinnacle of sausage rolls. Absolute treat. | |||
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"Keep him alive that's what I say. Hopefully he will be in excruciating pain the pathetic skinny vile Scottish cunt ! We are touring Scotland right now. We have met the friendliest bunch of people here. What has this man being Scottish to do with his crimes? - Mrs. J - Bore off ! Great comeback there...
Works for me ! Was Greggs busy ?
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Oh I think he's calling me fat! I do love a sausage roll though!
And Gregg's sausage rolls are the pinnacle of sausage rolls. Absolute treat. "Exactly! They're sooooo good! | |||
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"Keep him alive that's what I say. Hopefully he will be in excruciating pain the pathetic skinny vile Scottish cunt ! We are touring Scotland right now. We have met the friendliest bunch of people here. What has this man being Scottish to do with his crimes? - Mrs. J - Bore off ! Great comeback there...
Works for me ! Was Greggs busy ?
Greggs?
Oh I think he's calling me fat! I do love a sausage roll though!
And Gregg's sausage rolls are the pinnacle of sausage rolls. Absolute treat.
Exactly! They're sooooo good! "Shall we share some?  | |||
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"Keep him alive that's what I say. Hopefully he will be in excruciating pain the pathetic skinny vile Scottish cunt ! We are touring Scotland right now. We have met the friendliest bunch of people here. What has this man being Scottish to do with his crimes? - Mrs. J - Bore off ! Great comeback there...
Works for me ! Was Greggs busy ?
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Oh I think he's calling me fat! I do love a sausage roll though!
And Gregg's sausage rolls are the pinnacle of sausage rolls. Absolute treat.
Exactly! They're sooooo good! "I love Greggs sausage rolls but I won't eat any other sausage roll and although I love their sausage rolls I don't like their pasties, too soggy! Jenkins is the boy for pasties. | |||
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"Keep him alive that's what I say. Hopefully he will be in excruciating pain the pathetic skinny vile Scottish cunt ! We are touring Scotland right now. We have met the friendliest bunch of people here. What has this man being Scottish to do with his crimes? - Mrs. J - Bore off ! Great comeback there...
Works for me ! Was Greggs busy ?
Greggs?
Oh I think he's calling me fat! I do love a sausage roll though!
And Gregg's sausage rolls are the pinnacle of sausage rolls. Absolute treat.
Exactly! They're sooooo good!
Shall we share some? "Only if the sausage is your penis!? Right, let's stop hijacking the thread! | |||
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"Keep him alive that's what I say. Hopefully he will be in excruciating pain the pathetic skinny vile Scottish cunt ! We are touring Scotland right now. We have met the friendliest bunch of people here. What has this man being Scottish to do with his crimes? - Mrs. J - Bore off ! Great comeback there...
Works for me ! Was Greggs busy ?
Greggs?
Oh I think he's calling me fat! I do love a sausage roll though!
And Gregg's sausage rolls are the pinnacle of sausage rolls. Absolute treat.
Exactly! They're sooooo good!
Shall we share some?
Only if the sausage is your penis!?
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"Keep him alive that's what I say. Hopefully he will be in excruciating pain the pathetic skinny vile Scottish cunt ! We are touring Scotland right now. We have met the friendliest bunch of people here. What has this man being Scottish to do with his crimes? - Mrs. J - Bore off ! Great comeback there...
Works for me ! Was Greggs busy ?
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Oh I think he's calling me fat! I do love a sausage roll though!
And Gregg's sausage rolls are the pinnacle of sausage rolls. Absolute treat.
Exactly! They're sooooo good!
I love Greggs sausage rolls but I won't eat any other sausage roll and although I love their sausage rolls I don't like their pasties, too soggy!
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"All punishments meted out by society contain an element of " revenge " as such. As society becomes more " civilised ", such punishments become watered down, and now you have jails that are like 5 star hotels, free gyms, tv in every room ( they can't be called cells they are too nice) and prisoners who complain because they are locked up for 7 hours at a time. "Society" needs to get its head out of its arse and realise that, if they are going to call it a " punishment ' then it needs to have an element of hardship included. Brady should have been put down when he was convicted. i take it you've been then? In prison? No, but I know people who have, and not one of them was phased by it, although none did a long stretch." my brother went in for several years and hated it. length of time in there compounds the feeling of it being a punishment i guess. it worked for him i think..he's not a silly as he once was, it's not a thing he wants to repeat anyhow. | |||
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J -" He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. | |||
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"Seems he's on his last legs. I bet the victims families would prefer he didn't have such care. " Keep him on life support until he gives the locations of his victims. After that just pull the plug and have done with him | |||
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. " that answer makes you pretty much the same as him | |||
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"He should have been allowed to walk out court room and every body turned a blind eye for a bit and he would have got proper justice beaten to death" Here, here..... have all his limbs ripped off would have been appropriate punishment. Thinking about him makes my blood boil. | |||
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him "What!? | |||
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him "Same as him???? Are you for freaking real???? ****** I did not, have never, MIRDERED 6 (or any) INNOCENT CHILDREN in cold blood - made them suffer and the same of their parents and families. How the f**k an I the same as him????????? | |||
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"Seems he's on his last legs. I bet the victims families would prefer he didn't have such care. Keep him on life support until he gives the locations of his victims. After that just pull the plug and have done with him" The problem with that is that he has wanted to die fur quite some time. He went on hunger strike and was force fed. He brought a legal case arguing that as he was of sound mind he had a right to refuse food and shouldn't be force fed. The court held he wasn't of sound mind and he continued to be force fed. | |||
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him "WOULD you like to justify that PATHETIC comment please??? Id be EXTREMELY interested to hear your "logic" and how the flying f**k you came to the conclusion that I'm the same as the vile bastard????? I'm nooooo psychopath and I sure as hell ain't a child killer or abuser | |||
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him "I thinks that's uncalled for. Some very liberal minded _iews in here and some opposing extreme _iews. Either way we don't need to attack each other on the subject of a psychopathic murderer do we | |||
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him
What!? "advocating torturing a person...that's pretty sick
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him "***** STILL WAITING******** Ohhhh.....of course, you can't justify your stupid comment can you???? | |||
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him
What!?
advocating torturing a person...that's pretty sick
or is it ok when it suits us to do this to people? "So penalising criminals is wrong then? Where do you set that bar? I'm sure there are lots of UK citizens who have lost loved ones to people that weren't dealt with appropriately by our "great" judicial system would tell you differently | |||
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him
I thinks that's uncalled for. Some very liberal minded _iews in here and some opposing extreme _iews. Either way we don't need to attack each other on the subject of a psychopathic murderer do we "i wasn't attacking, it was an observation. we find what he did sick yet advocate it in the same breath if it suits our own agendas. killing and torture is either wrong, or right...you can't pick and choose who to kill and torture. | |||
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him
What!?
advocating torturing a person...that's pretty sick
or is it ok when it suits us to do this to people? "So I guess it's ok for him to torture and abuse INNOCENT children then????? Then kept by US, taxpayers in prison in relative luxury for however many years??? What goes around, comes around. | |||
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. " My feelings exactly, I couldn't have worded it any better. | |||
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him
I thinks that's uncalled for. Some very liberal minded _iews in here and some opposing extreme _iews. Either way we don't need to attack each other on the subject of a psychopathic murderer do we "
Exactly. The families of the victims may probably feel differently
Thank the Lord that we as I individuals don't get to make such decisions. We have the judiciary and a legal framework for this which takes the emotion out of the equation
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him
What!?
advocating torturing a person...that's pretty sick
or is it ok when it suits us to do this to people?
So I guess it's ok for him to torture and abuse INNOCENT children then????? Then kept by US, taxpayers in prison in relative luxury for however many years???
What goes around, comes around. "people shouldn't kill people...let's kill em! makes no sense...if your into seeing people tortured and killed, fair play to ya | |||
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him
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advocating torturing a person...that's pretty sick
or is it ok when it suits us to do this to people? "It is pretty sick, but not in the same ball park as killing kids. But if someone killed my child (god forbid) and buried him somewhere, I'd be happy to torture him until he/she gave up the location. | |||
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"Keep him alive that's what I say. Hopefully he will be in excruciating pain the pathetic skinny vile Scottish cunt ! We are touring Scotland right now. We have met the friendliest bunch of people here. What has this man being Scottish to do with his crimes? - Mrs. J - Bore off ! Great comeback there...
Works for me ! Was Greggs busy ?
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him
What!?
advocating torturing a person...that's pretty sick
or is it ok when it suits us to do this to people?
So I guess it's ok for him to torture and abuse INNOCENT children then????? Then kept by US, taxpayers in prison in relative luxury for however many years???
What goes around, comes around.
people shouldn't kill people...let's kill em! makes no sense...if your into seeing people tortured and killed, fair play to ya "
HOW DARE YOU......I'm not "into" killing and torturing HUMAN BEINGS, just people who MURDER innocent children.
There is a difference - I'm not a psychopath - Ian Brady IS.
I guess that people like you would have the scum bags wandering free, allowed to kill yet more children?? And not suffer any consequences eh. Pathetic and I'll use the comment you made to me back to you.....
That makes you the same as him.
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him
What!?
advocating torturing a person...that's pretty sick
or is it ok when it suits us to do this to people?
So I guess it's ok for him to torture and abuse INNOCENT children then????? Then kept by US, taxpayers in prison in relative luxury for however many years???
What goes around, comes around.
people shouldn't kill people...let's kill em! makes no sense...if your into seeing people tortured and killed, fair play to ya
HOW DARE YOU......I'm not "into" killing and torturing HUMAN BEINGS, just people who MURDER innocent children.
There is a difference - I'm not a psychopath - Ian Brady IS.
I guess that people like you would have the scum bags wandering free, allowed to kill yet more children?? And not suffer any consequences eh. Pathetic and I'll use the comment you made to me back to you.....
That makes you the same as him.
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him
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advocating torturing a person...that's pretty sick
or is it ok when it suits us to do this to people?
It is pretty sick, but not in the same ball park as killing kids.
But if someone killed my child (god forbid) and buried him somewhere, I'd be happy to torture him until he/she gave up the location. "i wouldn't blame a parent for doing that probably, but i'd fully expect they'd do the jail time and get the appropriate punishment for murder. i find it strange that people completely un affected by what happened will still call for torture and death though. it makes no sense to me that the solution would be more torture and death..what would it solve? improve? it would serve no other purpose other than giving a few sick puppies the pleasure of knowing it's happened | |||
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him
What!?
advocating torturing a person...that's pretty sick
or is it ok when it suits us to do this to people?
It is pretty sick, but not in the same ball park as killing kids.
But if someone killed my child (god forbid) and buried him somewhere, I'd be happy to torture him until he/she gave up the location.
i wouldn't blame a parent for doing that probably, but i'd fully expect they'd do the jail time and get the appropriate punishment for murder. i find it strange that people completely un affected by what happened will still call for torture and death though.
it makes no sense to me that the solution would be more torture and death..what would it solve? improve? it would serve no other purpose other than giving a few sick puppies the pleasure of knowing it's happened "So you condone his actions then obviously????? It's not the DECENT people who are the "sick" one's. I think that you will find that your opinions are in the MINORITY here so I would give up as a bad job if I were you. | |||
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him
What!?
advocating torturing a person...that's pretty sick
or is it ok when it suits us to do this to people?
So I guess it's ok for him to torture and abuse INNOCENT children then????? Then kept by US, taxpayers in prison in relative luxury for however many years???
What goes around, comes around.
people shouldn't kill people...let's kill em! makes no sense...if your into seeing people tortured and killed, fair play to ya
HOW DARE YOU......I'm not "into" killing and torturing HUMAN BEINGS, just people who MURDER innocent children.
There is a difference - I'm not a psychopath - Ian Brady IS.
I guess that people like you would have the scum bags wandering free, allowed to kill yet more children?? And not suffer any consequences eh. Pathetic and I'll use the comment you made to me back to you.....
That makes you the same as him.
Now go away and take your ridiculous comments with you."but i find your comments ridiculous also, solving murder with torture
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him
What!?
advocating torturing a person...that's pretty sick
or is it ok when it suits us to do this to people?
So I guess it's ok for him to torture and abuse INNOCENT children then????? Then kept by US, taxpayers in prison in relative luxury for however many years???
What goes around, comes around.
people shouldn't kill people...let's kill em! makes no sense...if your into seeing people tortured and killed, fair play to ya
HOW DARE YOU......I'm not "into" killing and torturing HUMAN BEINGS, just people who MURDER innocent children.
There is a difference - I'm not a psychopath - Ian Brady IS.
I guess that people like you would have the scum bags wandering free, allowed to kill yet more children?? And not suffer any consequences eh. Pathetic and I'll use the comment you made to me back to you.....
That makes you the same as him.
Now go away and take your ridiculous comments with you.
but i find your comments ridiculous also, solving murder with torture
would you do it personally? or have someone else spend months torturing him? because no normal person could do that to someone...your advocating more psychotic behavior...i fail to see how that would make anything better (bar some sicko's getting a sense of satisfaction) "Speechless......you are warped mate. | |||
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him
What!?
advocating torturing a person...that's pretty sick
or is it ok when it suits us to do this to people?
It is pretty sick, but not in the same ball park as killing kids.
But if someone killed my child (god forbid) and buried him somewhere, I'd be happy to torture him until he/she gave up the location.
i wouldn't blame a parent for doing that probably, but i'd fully expect they'd do the jail time and get the appropriate punishment for murder. i find it strange that people completely un affected by what happened will still call for torture and death though.
it makes no sense to me that the solution would be more torture and death..what would it solve? improve? it would serve no other purpose other than giving a few sick puppies the pleasure of knowing it's happened
So you condone his actions then obviously?????
It's not the DECENT people who are the "sick" one's. I think that you will find that your opinions are in the MINORITY here so I would give up as a bad job if I were you."He's putting forward his point of _iew which he's entitled to in an open forum | |||
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him
What!?
advocating torturing a person...that's pretty sick
or is it ok when it suits us to do this to people?
So I guess it's ok for him to torture and abuse INNOCENT children then????? Then kept by US, taxpayers in prison in relative luxury for however many years???
What goes around, comes around.
people shouldn't kill people...let's kill em! makes no sense...if your into seeing people tortured and killed, fair play to ya
HOW DARE YOU......I'm not "into" killing and torturing HUMAN BEINGS, just people who MURDER innocent children.
There is a difference - I'm not a psychopath - Ian Brady IS.
I guess that people like you would have the scum bags wandering free, allowed to kill yet more children?? And not suffer any consequences eh. Pathetic and I'll use the comment you made to me back to you.....
That makes you the same as him.
Now go away and take your ridiculous comments with you.
but i find your comments ridiculous also, solving murder with torture
would you do it personally? or have someone else spend months torturing him? because no normal person could do that to someone...your advocating more psychotic behavior...i fail to see how that would make anything better (bar some sicko's getting a sense of satisfaction)
Speechless......you are warped mate."You need to stop making it personal. | |||
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him
What!?
advocating torturing a person...that's pretty sick
or is it ok when it suits us to do this to people?
It is pretty sick, but not in the same ball park as killing kids.
But if someone killed my child (god forbid) and buried him somewhere, I'd be happy to torture him until he/she gave up the location.
i wouldn't blame a parent for doing that probably, but i'd fully expect they'd do the jail time and get the appropriate punishment for murder. i find it strange that people completely un affected by what happened will still call for torture and death though.
it makes no sense to me that the solution would be more torture and death..what would it solve? improve? it would serve no other purpose other than giving a few sick puppies the pleasure of knowing it's happened
So you condone his actions then obviously?????
It's not the DECENT people who are the "sick" one's. I think that you will find that your opinions are in the MINORITY here so I would give up as a bad job if I were you."i don't condone murder in any form...even the killing of murderers murder is a little bit sick, no matter who the victim. who are we to decide who lives and dies and to deal out death as we see fit? | |||
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him
What!?
advocating torturing a person...that's pretty sick
or is it ok when it suits us to do this to people?
It is pretty sick, but not in the same ball park as killing kids.
But if someone killed my child (god forbid) and buried him somewhere, I'd be happy to torture him until he/she gave up the location.
i wouldn't blame a parent for doing that probably, but i'd fully expect they'd do the jail time and get the appropriate punishment for murder. i find it strange that people completely un affected by what happened will still call for torture and death though.
it makes no sense to me that the solution would be more torture and death..what would it solve? improve? it would serve no other purpose other than giving a few sick puppies the pleasure of knowing it's happened
So you condone his actions then obviously?????
It's not the DECENT people who are the "sick" one's. I think that you will find that your opinions are in the MINORITY here so I would give up as a bad job if I were you."I agree with christos. Not sure how you get from not wanting to implement torture, to condoning Ian Brady. | |||
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him
What!?
advocating torturing a person...that's pretty sick
or is it ok when it suits us to do this to people?
So I guess it's ok for him to torture and abuse INNOCENT children then????? Then kept by US, taxpayers in prison in relative luxury for however many years???
What goes around, comes around.
people shouldn't kill people...let's kill em! makes no sense...if your into seeing people tortured and killed, fair play to ya
HOW DARE YOU......I'm not "into" killing and torturing HUMAN BEINGS, just people who MURDER innocent children.
There is a difference - I'm not a psychopath - Ian Brady IS.
I guess that people like you would have the scum bags wandering free, allowed to kill yet more children?? And not suffer any consequences eh. Pathetic and I'll use the comment you made to me back to you.....
That makes you the same as him.
Now go away and take your ridiculous comments with you.
but i find your comments ridiculous also, solving murder with torture
would you do it personally? or have someone else spend months torturing him? because no normal person could do that to someone...your advocating more psychotic behavior...i fail to see how that would make anything better (bar some sicko's getting a sense of satisfaction)
Speechless......you are warped mate."for not advocating murder? ok | |||
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him
What!?
advocating torturing a person...that's pretty sick
or is it ok when it suits us to do this to people?
It is pretty sick, but not in the same ball park as killing kids.
But if someone killed my child (god forbid) and buried him somewhere, I'd be happy to torture him until he/she gave up the location.
i wouldn't blame a parent for doing that probably, but i'd fully expect they'd do the jail time and get the appropriate punishment for murder. i find it strange that people completely un affected by what happened will still call for torture and death though.
it makes no sense to me that the solution would be more torture and death..what would it solve? improve? it would serve no other purpose other than giving a few sick puppies the pleasure of knowing it's happened
So you condone his actions then obviously?????
It's not the DECENT people who are the "sick" one's. I think that you will find that your opinions are in the MINORITY here so I would give up as a bad job if I were you.
I agree with christos.
Not sure how you get from not wanting to implement torture, to condoning Ian Brady."strange isn't it? | |||
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" it makes no sense to me that the solution would be more torture and death..what would it solve? improve? it would serve no other purpose other than giving a few sick puppies the pleasure of knowing it's happened "Torture and death would be proper justice. Proper punishments, that actually do get carried out, serve as a good deterrent. Those who choose to carry out crimes, knowing the penalty for getting caught, take the chance. Old saying. Don't do the crime, you've nothing to fear Even minor crimes, no one bothered about getting caught. They won't get into proper bother. Kids aren't scared of the police, Teachers can't even shout at a child It shows! | |||
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" it makes no sense to me that the solution would be more torture and death..what would it solve? improve? it would serve no other purpose other than giving a few sick puppies the pleasure of knowing it's happened
Torture and death would be proper justice.
Proper punishments, that actually do get carried out, serve as a good deterrent.
Those who choose to carry out crimes, knowing the penalty for getting caught, take the chance.
Old saying. Don't do the crime, you've nothing to fear
Even minor crimes, no one bothered about getting caught. They won't get into proper bother.
Kids aren't scared of the police,
Teachers can't even shout at a child
It shows!"Why hasn't that worked in the states? | |||
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" Crikey this escalated. Lock him up or hang em high. No need to sink further. Isis practice eye for an eye and they are not exactly shining examples of justice. " Mainly because they massacre the innocent a lot of the time. I'd be happy for paedophiles to get the death sentence, maybe thats just the parent in me. Cases such as Ian Brady, I wouldn't bat an eye if they were suddenly wiped off the face of the earth | |||
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" it makes no sense to me that the solution would be more torture and death..what would it solve? improve? it would serve no other purpose other than giving a few sick puppies the pleasure of knowing it's happened
Torture and death would be proper justice.
Proper punishments, that actually do get carried out, serve as a good deterrent.
Those who choose to carry out crimes, knowing the penalty for getting caught, take the chance.
Old saying. Don't do the crime, you've nothing to fear
Even minor crimes, no one bothered about getting caught. They won't get into proper bother.
Kids aren't scared of the police,
Teachers can't even shout at a child
It shows!"Anyone who thinks it's ok to torture another human being is seriously concerning Even though I am totally against the death penalty I can understand the arguments for But anyone who seriously thinks torture in any circumstances is acceptable needs a serious word with themselves | |||
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"Anyone who thinks it's ok to torture another human being is seriously concerning Even though I am totally against the death penalty I can understand the arguments for But anyone who seriously thinks torture in any circumstances is acceptable needs a serious word with themselves " | |||
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" Why hasn't that worked in the states? " Think it has, when you consider the population. Sure there's always people on death row, always will get 'animals' but percentage for numbers of population. I think there numbers are quite good! Also not many states have death penalty anymore. The ones that do, Texas, don't hear many sick twisted animals causing torturers murder. I'm all for death penalty, always will be! | |||
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" Why hasn't that worked in the states? Think it has, when you consider the population. Sure there's always people on death row, always will get 'animals' but percentage for numbers of population. I think there numbers are quite good! Also not many states have death penalty anymore. The ones that do, Texas, don't hear many sick twisted animals causing torturers murder. I'm all for death penalty, always will be!" Why do you think the states in the US that have the death penalty have higher murder rates than ones that don't. Google it. | |||
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"All I wish is that he tell someone on his death bed when Keith Bennett is but I doubt that will happen. Hopefully one day his remains will be found and he will be laid to rest with his loving mother. PTU xxx " | |||
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" Why hasn't that worked in the states? Think it has, when you consider the population. Sure there's always people on death row, always will get 'animals' but percentage for numbers of population. I think there numbers are quite good! Also not many states have death penalty anymore. The ones that do, Texas, don't hear many sick twisted animals causing torturers murder. I'm all for death penalty, always will be!" Actually, if you look at the statistics, you'll find that the vast majority of criminologists say the death penalty has little effect. I can't post links, obviously, but it's worth doing some reading around the subject to get a more informed opinion. | |||
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"Two things about this thread both sadden and disappoint me. The first is that people are so willing to deny basic human rights to another human being (regardless of the horror of his own actions). And the second is that people don't have a problem with such blaring hypocrisy in their own beliefs and actions. " | |||
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"Two things about this thread both sadden and disappoint me. The first is that people are so willing to deny basic human rights to another human being (regardless of the horror of his own actions). And the second is that people don't have a problem with such blaring hypocrisy in their own beliefs and actions. "Agreed,however deplorable a human may be,they are still human. Human rights don't have exemption clauses,either we all have them or we fail humanity. | |||
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him
What!?
advocating torturing a person...that's pretty sick
or is it ok when it suits us to do this to people?
It is pretty sick, but not in the same ball park as killing kids.
But if someone killed my child (god forbid) and buried him somewhere, I'd be happy to torture him until he/she gave up the location.
i wouldn't blame a parent for doing that probably, but i'd fully expect they'd do the jail time and get the appropriate punishment for murder. i find it strange that people completely un affected by what happened will still call for torture and death though.
it makes no sense to me that the solution would be more torture and death..what would it solve? improve? it would serve no other purpose other than giving a few sick puppies the pleasure of knowing it's happened
So you condone his actions then obviously?????
It's not the DECENT people who are the "sick" one's. I think that you will find that your opinions are in the MINORITY here so I would give up as a bad job if I were you."Thinking that everyone is entitled to basic human rights does not mean that you condone the actions of a killer. Blimey. | |||
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"Keep him alive that's what I say. Hopefully he will be in excruciating pain the pathetic skinny vile Scottish cunt !" And the word scottish was needed why | |||
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" Why hasn't that worked in the states? Think it has, when you consider the population. Sure there's always people on death row, always will get 'animals' but percentage for numbers of population. I think there numbers are quite good! Also not many states have death penalty anymore. The ones that do, Texas, don't hear many sick twisted animals causing torturers murder. I'm all for death penalty, always will be! Actually, if you look at the statistics, you'll find that the vast majority of criminologists say the death penalty has little effect. I can't post links, obviously, but it's worth doing some reading around the subject to get a more informed opinion. " I have read up on it and watched countless programs. You'll always find information 'for' and 'against' One think for sure, executed murderers don't ever murder again!
The deterrent factor, well 5 years later, someone else may commit a horrid crime and get convicted of murder This is true.
You may kid yourself, like many other blinkered folk, this proves to have no effect.
It most likely prevented 4 other people from committing horrific crimes, having thought twice about the risks, getting caught and not wanting to die.... these crimes were prevented, didn't happen, so will never be known accounted for in statistics!
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" Why hasn't that worked in the states? Think it has, when you consider the population. Sure there's always people on death row, always will get 'animals' but percentage for numbers of population. I think there numbers are quite good! Also not many states have death penalty anymore. The ones that do, Texas, don't hear many sick twisted animals causing torturers murder. I'm all for death penalty, always will be! Actually, if you look at the statistics, you'll find that the vast majority of criminologists say the death penalty has little effect. I can't post links, obviously, but it's worth doing some reading around the subject to get a more informed opinion. I have read up on it and watched countless programs. You'll always find information 'for' and 'against' One think for sure, executed murderers don't ever murder again!
The deterrent factor, well 5 years later, someone else may commit a horrid crime and get convicted of murder This is true.
You may kid yourself, like many other blinkered folk, this proves to have no effect.
It most likely prevented 4 other people from committing horrific crimes, having thought twice about the risks, getting caught and not wanting to die.... these crimes were prevented, didn't happen, so will never be known accounted for in statistics!
"Having had an open mind about it, I did a fair bit of reading on the subject and to cut a long story short, prison with no parole has been found to influence a reduction in murder rates, whereas the death penalty hasn't been found to do the same. | |||
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" Why hasn't that worked in the states? Think it has, when you consider the population. Sure there's always people on death row, always will get 'animals' but percentage for numbers of population. I think there numbers are quite good! Also not many states have death penalty anymore. The ones that do, Texas, don't hear many sick twisted animals causing torturers murder. I'm all for death penalty, always will be! Actually, if you look at the statistics, you'll find that the vast majority of criminologists say the death penalty has little effect. I can't post links, obviously, but it's worth doing some reading around the subject to get a more informed opinion. I have read up on it and watched countless programs. You'll always find information 'for' and 'against' One think for sure, executed murderers don't ever murder again!
The deterrent factor, well 5 years later, someone else may commit a horrid crime and get convicted of murder This is true.
You may kid yourself, like many other blinkered folk, this proves to have no effect.
It most likely prevented 4 other people from committing horrific crimes, having thought twice about the risks, getting caught and not wanting to die.... these crimes were prevented, didn't happen, so will never be known accounted for in statistics!
"If the death penalty was a unique deterrent for murder the US States where they have the death penalty would have lower murder rates than the states that don't. In actual fact the opposite is true. There are many and complex causes for murder rates but the nature of the punishment has very little effect. And that makes sense if you think about it. Very few people who are in a position to kill someone will be in a mental state where they do a rational cost benefit analysis. There literally is no scientific evidence that the death penalty deters more than life imprisonment. | |||
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"Doctors take an oath to care for people no matter who they are. They are just doing their job. If the system says he is entitled to care then don't think we can do much about it. Weather it's morally right or wrong? Well that's difficult. He was given a life sentence and will end his life in custody so guess he will have paid the price for his horrible act's. Personally I think he should have been put to death at the time of being found guilty. Him being dead isn't going to bring back his victims. I am not religious but if I was I would like to think that he will get what he deserves in the after-life. Tricky talking point. " The majority of his end of life care will be given by nurses. There are no rights and wrongs about it, they have a duty of care. | |||
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"Seems he's on his last legs. I bet the victims families would prefer he didn't have such care. is he suffering right now yes anything that prolongs that suffering and that fear of his own death approaching is in my opinion a great from of punishment in its own right . he is now suffering the same mental torture he practised on his victims and the same level of pain no doubt karmas a bitch as the saying goes . " Unless he has COPD it is unlikely he will be suffering any pain. | |||
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him
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advocating torturing a person...that's pretty sick
or is it ok when it suits us to do this to people?
It is pretty sick, but not in the same ball park as killing kids.
But if someone killed my child (god forbid) and buried him somewhere, I'd be happy to torture him until he/she gave up the location.
i wouldn't blame a parent for doing that probably, but i'd fully expect they'd do the jail time and get the appropriate punishment for murder. i find it strange that people completely un affected by what happened will still call for torture and death though.
it makes no sense to me that the solution would be more torture and death..what would it solve? improve? it would serve no other purpose other than giving a few sick puppies the pleasure of knowing it's happened "I would advocate for the death penalty for people found guilty of multiple murders. It serves as a negative reinforcement (and is cheaper for tax payers, of course that part is a bonus). | |||
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him
What!?
advocating torturing a person...that's pretty sick
or is it ok when it suits us to do this to people?
It is pretty sick, but not in the same ball park as killing kids.
But if someone killed my child (god forbid) and buried him somewhere, I'd be happy to torture him until he/she gave up the location.
i wouldn't blame a parent for doing that probably, but i'd fully expect they'd do the jail time and get the appropriate punishment for murder. i find it strange that people completely un affected by what happened will still call for torture and death though.
it makes no sense to me that the solution would be more torture and death..what would it solve? improve? it would serve no other purpose other than giving a few sick puppies the pleasure of knowing it's happened
So you condone his actions then obviously?????
It's not the DECENT people who are the "sick" one's. I think that you will find that your opinions are in the MINORITY here so I would give up as a bad job if I were you.
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him
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advocating torturing a person...that's pretty sick
or is it ok when it suits us to do this to people?
It is pretty sick, but not in the same ball park as killing kids.
But if someone killed my child (god forbid) and buried him somewhere, I'd be happy to torture him until he/she gave up the location.
i wouldn't blame a parent for doing that probably, but i'd fully expect they'd do the jail time and get the appropriate punishment for murder. i find it strange that people completely un affected by what happened will still call for torture and death though.
it makes no sense to me that the solution would be more torture and death..what would it solve? improve? it would serve no other purpose other than giving a few sick puppies the pleasure of knowing it's happened
I would advocate for the death penalty for people found guilty of multiple murders. It serves as a negative reinforcement (and is cheaper for tax payers, of course that part is a bonus)."i have very mixed feelings about the death penalty,but the cost issue is not something i think is relevant..in the states it's actually much much more expensive to execute than to imprison for life.. | |||
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him
What!?
advocating torturing a person...that's pretty sick
or is it ok when it suits us to do this to people?
It is pretty sick, but not in the same ball park as killing kids.
But if someone killed my child (god forbid) and buried him somewhere, I'd be happy to torture him until he/she gave up the location.
i wouldn't blame a parent for doing that probably, but i'd fully expect they'd do the jail time and get the appropriate punishment for murder. i find it strange that people completely un affected by what happened will still call for torture and death though.
it makes no sense to me that the solution would be more torture and death..what would it solve? improve? it would serve no other purpose other than giving a few sick puppies the pleasure of knowing it's happened
So you condone his actions then obviously?????
It's not the DECENT people who are the "sick" one's. I think that you will find that your opinions are in the MINORITY here so I would give up as a bad job if I were you.
i don't condone murder in any form...even the killing of murderers murder is a little bit sick, no matter who the victim. who are we to decide who lives and dies and to deal out death as we see fit?
Do you have an opinion on abortion?"not a solid one...why? | |||
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"Sorry, but we fail to finance care for the elderly and children with debilitating / life threatening illnesses. This person has caused enough suffering without absorbing even more funds that truly deserving cases desperately need. The sooner he departs the better." The NHS funds everyones end of life care. It's not means or ethics tested. | |||
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"If someone was about to murder someone, then, I think, that every type of force should be used to prevent that murder from occurring; even if that force results in the killing of the would-be murderer But if the murder has already been committed, then I fail to see how torturing the murderer would solve anything. Is it for some kind of perverse satisfaction or is it for some kind of revenge The appropriate course of action would be to remove that person from society for their entire life so that they could not commit something similar again. And here I am talking about people like this killer - Mrs. J -" | |||
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him
What!?
advocating torturing a person...that's pretty sick
or is it ok when it suits us to do this to people?
It is pretty sick, but not in the same ball park as killing kids.
But if someone killed my child (god forbid) and buried him somewhere, I'd be happy to torture him until he/she gave up the location.
i wouldn't blame a parent for doing that probably, but i'd fully expect they'd do the jail time and get the appropriate punishment for murder. i find it strange that people completely un affected by what happened will still call for torture and death though.
it makes no sense to me that the solution would be more torture and death..what would it solve? improve? it would serve no other purpose other than giving a few sick puppies the pleasure of knowing it's happened
So you condone his actions then obviously?????
It's not the DECENT people who are the "sick" one's. I think that you will find that your opinions are in the MINORITY here so I would give up as a bad job if I were you.
i don't condone murder in any form...even the killing of murderers murder is a little bit sick, no matter who the victim. who are we to decide who lives and dies and to deal out death as we see fit?
Do you have an opinion on abortion?
not a solid one...why?"Having spent time (inc moderation of) an American forum, posters would get very passionate about the subjects of abortion and death penalty. To me there seemed little logic in being pro-life and for the death penalty. So I wo creed where you stood. | |||
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him
What!?
advocating torturing a person...that's pretty sick
or is it ok when it suits us to do this to people?
It is pretty sick, but not in the same ball park as killing kids.
But if someone killed my child (god forbid) and buried him somewhere, I'd be happy to torture him until he/she gave up the location.
i wouldn't blame a parent for doing that probably, but i'd fully expect they'd do the jail time and get the appropriate punishment for murder. i find it strange that people completely un affected by what happened will still call for torture and death though.
it makes no sense to me that the solution would be more torture and death..what would it solve? improve? it would serve no other purpose other than giving a few sick puppies the pleasure of knowing it's happened
So you condone his actions then obviously?????
It's not the DECENT people who are the "sick" one's. I think that you will find that your opinions are in the MINORITY here so I would give up as a bad job if I were you.
i don't condone murder in any form...even the killing of murderers murder is a little bit sick, no matter who the victim. who are we to decide who lives and dies and to deal out death as we see fit?
Do you have an opinion on abortion?
not a solid one...why?
Having spent time (inc moderation of) an American forum, posters would get very passionate about the subjects of abortion and death penalty. To me there seemed little logic in being pro-life and for the death penalty.
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"Sorry, but we fail to finance care for the elderly and children with debilitating / life threatening illnesses. This person has caused enough suffering without absorbing even more funds that truly deserving cases desperately need. The sooner he departs the better. The NHS funds everyones end of life care. It's not means or ethics tested. " I don't mean peoples end of life care. There is a financial hole, meaning people don't receive the treatment they need. Everything in life has an opportunity cost. The cost of treating this evil man is other people go needy. I personally can't justify that. | |||
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him
What!?
advocating torturing a person...that's pretty sick
or is it ok when it suits us to do this to people?
It is pretty sick, but not in the same ball park as killing kids.
But if someone killed my child (god forbid) and buried him somewhere, I'd be happy to torture him until he/she gave up the location.
i wouldn't blame a parent for doing that probably, but i'd fully expect they'd do the jail time and get the appropriate punishment for murder. i find it strange that people completely un affected by what happened will still call for torture and death though.
it makes no sense to me that the solution would be more torture and death..what would it solve? improve? it would serve no other purpose other than giving a few sick puppies the pleasure of knowing it's happened
So you condone his actions then obviously?????
It's not the DECENT people who are the "sick" one's. I think that you will find that your opinions are in the MINORITY here so I would give up as a bad job if I were you.
Thinking that everyone is entitled to basic human rights does not mean that you condone the actions of a killer.
Blimey. "He lost his entitlement to 'human rights' when he behaved like an animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated like a human, because he isn't. He is lower than scum. What human right's did the children have....and their parent's and families?? What about the human right's of Winnie Bennett to bury her child????..... The bastard will take the secret of where Keith's remains are to hell which is where he will rot. If our pathetic, weak judicial system enforced adequate punishments to murderers and paedophiles, the vile gutter rat would have been given the death penalty and forced to disclose the whereabouts of Keith Bennett, by whatever means, a long time ago. | |||
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"All I read was Brady and thought it was on about Tom Brady and I panicked! After reading though, a human life is a human life. Yes Ian Brady has done some terrible things - we all have. His just happened to be criminal. If you think that a human doesn't deserve help in their last moments, then there is a psychopathic underlining within the way in which your brain works." Then we shall have to agree to disagree on that point. Slandering other people because your _iew differs makes your mental processing questionable doesn't it . And so it goes on..... | |||
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"He committed horrific acts but we do not have the death penalty. The price for no miscarriages of justice by wrongful execution of innocent people, is that the likes of him get to live. I just hope that whoever changes his catheter, does it several times a day and rubs it liberally with a Scotch Bonnet chilli first." Absolutely.....maybe some salt too..... and a couple of 'failed' attempts to insert it would be a good idea. | |||
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"All I read was Brady and thought it was on about Tom Brady and I panicked! After reading though, a human life is a human life. Yes Ian Brady has done some terrible things - we all have. His just happened to be criminal. If you think that a human doesn't deserve help in their last moments, then there is a psychopathic underlining within the way in which your brain works." There is absolutely no relation to bad things people here have done and him. The acts didn't 'just happen to be criminal'. They tortured five children to death and taped it for sexual gratification. Whatever you think the punishment should be, don't compare him to other peoples shortcomings. | |||
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"Sorry, but we fail to finance care for the elderly and children with debilitating / life threatening illnesses. This person has caused enough suffering without absorbing even more funds that truly deserving cases desperately need. The sooner he departs the better. The NHS funds everyones end of life care. It's not means or ethics tested. I don't mean peoples end of life care. There is a financial hole, meaning people don't receive the treatment they need. Everything in life has an opportunity cost. The cost of treating this evil man is other people go needy. I personally can't justify that." the cost of his end of life care is a drop in the ocean compared to what it costs to keep someone in a special hospital each day. What he's receiving will not mean anyone else going without. the nursing staff who currently care for him will continue to do so along with many, many others who have committed the most serious of offenses. Nurses, unlike doctors, do not take an oath but are bound by a code of conduct that governs their registration. What I do find really disturbing though, are some of the punishments people on this thread are advocating that other people inflict on him, on their behalf...are we all so sure that we are so perfect? that our friends are? members of our own families? I wonder if there would be quite such vehement _iews on appropriate punishment if it was a member of our family who might possibly be on the receiving end of them? | |||
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"All I read was Brady and thought it was on about Tom Brady and I panicked! After reading though, a human life is a human life. Yes Ian Brady has done some terrible things - we all have. His just happened to be criminal. If you think that a human doesn't deserve help in their last moments, then there is a psychopathic underlining within the way in which your brain works. There is absolutely no relation to bad things people here have done and him. The acts didn't 'just happen to be criminal'. They tortured five children to death and taped it for sexual gratification. Whatever you think the punishment should be, don't compare him to other peoples shortcomings." There are people torturing people every single day but because it is a different kind of torture it is overlooked. You cannot tell someone not to compare two things which in a sense are both perfectly valid. Many people in this world are disgusting. Many torture with intent. Many get away with it because in the eyes of law they have done nothing wrong. It is torture all the same however. | |||
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"All I read was Brady and thought it was on about Tom Brady and I panicked! After reading though, a human life is a human life. Yes Ian Brady has done some terrible things - we all have. His just happened to be criminal. If you think that a human doesn't deserve help in their last moments, then there is a psychopathic underlining within the way in which your brain works. There is absolutely no relation to bad things people here have done and him. The acts didn't 'just happen to be criminal'. They tortured five children to death and taped it for sexual gratification. Whatever you think the punishment should be, don't compare him to other peoples shortcomings. There are people torturing people every single day but because it is a different kind of torture it is overlooked. You cannot tell someone not to compare two things which in a sense are both perfectly valid. Many people in this world are disgusting. Many torture with intent. Many get away with it because in the eyes of law they have done nothing wrong. It is torture all the same however. " What kind of torture are people carrying out that is equivalent to what he did, yet isn't illegal? | |||
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"I once watched a heartbreaking prog about Winnie Bennett.... it was so distressing it turned my blood cold. I don't think I've ever sobbed so much at a television prog. This lady had so much dignity. She continued to go up to the Moors to try and be close to her son, walking for hours despite her ailing health at that time. She said during the prog that many years previously she was requested to go to the prison to visit him. She went thinking thag he would show remorse or disclose where Keith's body was, but all he did was taunt her. That to me is almost more evil than the actual murders. Hadn't the poor lady been through enough?? Sick, evil psycho. Now you load of 'do-gooders' tell me again why this parasite deserves 'human rights'????" "Do-gooders"
I don't buy into the moral superiority of someone who condones - no, advocates - the torture of another human being. Not wanting to torture someone does not make someone a "do-gooder"
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" Everything in life has an opportunity cost. The cost of treating this evil man is other people go needy. I personally can't justify that. the cost of his end of life care is a drop in the ocean compared to what it costs to keep someone in a special hospital each day. What he's receiving will not mean anyone else going without. the nursing staff who currently care for him will continue to do so along with many, many others who have committed the most serious of offenses. Nurses, unlike doctors, do not take an oath but are bound by a code of conduct that governs their registration. What I do find really disturbing though, are some of the punishments people on this thread are advocating that other people inflict on him, on their behalf...are we all so sure that we are so perfect? that our friends are? members of our own families? I wonder if there would be quite such vehement _iews on appropriate punishment if it was a member of our family who might possibly be on the receiving end of them?" I don't advocate inflicting painful punishments on him. The collective cost of caring for him for the last 50 or so years is in the millions. Money that could have helped people who fail to receive help. The choice has been made to spend the money on him and let others die instead. | |||
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"I once watched a heartbreaking prog about Winnie Bennett.... it was so distressing it turned my blood cold. I don't think I've ever sobbed so much at a television prog. This lady had so much dignity. She continued to go up to the Moors to try and be close to her son, walking for hours despite her ailing health at that time. She said during the prog that many years previously she was requested to go to the prison to visit him. She went thinking thag he would show remorse or disclose where Keith's body was, but all he did was taunt her. That to me is almost more evil than the actual murders. Hadn't the poor lady been through enough?? Sick, evil psycho. Now you load of 'do-gooders' tell me again why this parasite deserves 'human rights'???? "Do-gooders"
I don't buy into the moral superiority of someone who condones - no, advocates - the torture of another human being. Not wanting to torture someone does not make someone a "do-gooder"
We exist in a community that abides by a certain social contract. That social contract is violated by people who murder and people who torture. All people who do those things, not just the people who do them in violation of some self-appointed moral arbiter's code of justice."He isn't 'human' - he lost all 'right's' when HE tortured and killed 6 children. If he had done so in some countries, and certain states within the US, he would have been executed. End of. | |||
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" Everything in life has an opportunity cost. The cost of treating this evil man is other people go needy. I personally can't justify that. the cost of his end of life care is a drop in the ocean compared to what it costs to keep someone in a special hospital each day. What he's receiving will not mean anyone else going without. the nursing staff who currently care for him will continue to do so along with many, many others who have committed the most serious of offenses. Nurses, unlike doctors, do not take an oath but are bound by a code of conduct that governs their registration. What I do find really disturbing though, are some of the punishments people on this thread are advocating that other people inflict on him, on their behalf...are we all so sure that we are so perfect? that our friends are? members of our own families? I wonder if there would be quite such vehement _iews on appropriate punishment if it was a member of our family who might possibly be on the receiving end of them? I don't advocate inflicting painful punishments on him. The collective cost of caring for him for the last 50 or so years is in the millions. Money that could have helped people who fail to receive help. The choice has been made to spend the money on him and let others die instead." that's not the case. Money spent on keeping him at a special hospital would have still been spent there...just on someone else. it wouldn't have been used to stop anyone else dying...that's not the way it works | |||
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"I once watched a heartbreaking prog about Winnie Bennett.... it was so distressing it turned my blood cold. I don't think I've ever sobbed so much at a television prog. This lady had so much dignity. She continued to go up to the Moors to try and be close to her son, walking for hours despite her ailing health at that time. She said during the prog that many years previously she was requested to go to the prison to visit him. She went thinking thag he would show remorse or disclose where Keith's body was, but all he did was taunt her. That to me is almost more evil than the actual murders. Hadn't the poor lady been through enough?? Sick, evil psycho. Now you load of 'do-gooders' tell me again why this parasite deserves 'human rights'???? "Do-gooders"
I don't buy into the moral superiority of someone who condones - no, advocates - the torture of another human being. Not wanting to torture someone does not make someone a "do-gooder"
We exist in a community that abides by a certain social contract. That social contract is violated by people who murder and people who torture. All people who do those things, not just the people who do them in violation of some self-appointed moral arbiter's code of justice.
He isn't 'human' - he lost all 'right's' when HE tortured and killed 6 children.
If he had done so in some countries, and certain states within the US, he would have been executed. End of. "He is human. I find it utterly disgusting when people de-humanize one another in order to promote actions that would, in themselves, be seen as inhumane should they be done against another human being. And it is becoming an all too common linguistic tool. You are advocating the torture of another human being. A horrible human, yes. But a human nonetheless. However you justify that to yourself is something only you can answer to. I'm just thankful that as a society we haven't sunk to such levels. | |||
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" I don't advocate inflicting painful punishments on him. The collective cost of caring for him for the last 50 or so years is in the millions. Money that could have helped people who fail to receive help. The choice has been made to spend the money on him and let others die instead. that's not the case. Money spent on keeping him at a special hospital would have still been spent there...just on someone else. it wouldn't have been used to stop anyone else dying...that's not the way it works" The government has a finite amount of money. The NHS is in crisis. Elderly care is in crisis. The money for all these things ultimately comes from 1 pot. It has been spent on him, if he wasn't around it could have been spent elsewhere. | |||
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"I once watched a heartbreaking prog about Winnie Bennett.... it was so distressing it turned my blood cold. I don't think I've ever sobbed so much at a television prog. This lady had so much dignity. She continued to go up to the Moors to try and be close to her son, walking for hours despite her ailing health at that time. She said during the prog that many years previously she was requested to go to the prison to visit him. She went thinking thag he would show remorse or disclose where Keith's body was, but all he did was taunt her. That to me is almost more evil than the actual murders. Hadn't the poor lady been through enough?? Sick, evil psycho. Now you load of 'do-gooders' tell me again why this parasite deserves 'human rights'????" Because he *is* human and as a decent society, we do not lower ourselves to torturing people. He no longer presents an immediate threat to anyone. Otherwise the killer of Drummer Lee Rigby deserves to be tortured too. The killer beheaded an innocent man on a London street in full _iew of law enforcement officials I personally find ranking one killing over another as distasteful and an insult to the families of the victims - Mrs. J - | |||
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"May the end of his life come as quickly as possible as to not cause the medical/nursing staff any angst over their choices. I don't wish him pain, I rather focus my thoughts wishing his victims and their families peace and love."
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"He is human; we are a decent society. We protected our children from him by removing him from society. Other than that, he deserves the same treatment as the rest of us wish for ourselves - Mrs. J - He isn't "human" - he is a vile, disgusting psychopathic animal. He doesn't deserve to be treated the same as the rest of us. He is worse than pond scum and should not be allowed to be on this planet. Our children were not protected from him - he and the evil bitch murdered 6 children (maybe more) before he was locked up. He didn't have the decency and morality to tell poor Winnie where her son was before she passed away. That poor lady left the planet never being at peace. This vile bastard deserves nothing. I am a good person, I don't believe that anyone should suffer pain, but if justice had been done, he would have been tortured for days/weeks/month's and made to suffer horrendous pain until he gave up Keith Bennett's location and then left to die. End of life care should be withdrawn and the scum left to die in agony. May he rot in hell. that answer makes you pretty much the same as him
What!?
advocating torturing a person...that's pretty sick
or is it ok when it suits us to do this to people?
It is pretty sick, but not in the same ball park as killing kids.
But if someone killed my child (god forbid) and buried him somewhere, I'd be happy to torture him until he/she gave up the location.
i wouldn't blame a parent for doing that probably, but i'd fully expect they'd do the jail time and get the appropriate punishment for murder. i find it strange that people completely un affected by what happened will still call for torture and death though.
it makes no sense to me that the solution would be more torture and death..what would it solve? improve? it would serve no other purpose other than giving a few sick puppies the pleasure of knowing it's happened
So you condone his actions then obviously?????
It's not the DECENT people who are the "sick" one's. I think that you will find that your opinions are in the MINORITY here so I would give up as a bad job if I were you.
i don't condone murder in any form...even the killing of murderers murder is a little bit sick, no matter who the victim. who are we to decide who lives and dies and to deal out death as we see fit?
Do you have an opinion on abortion?
not a solid one...why?
Having spent time (inc moderation of) an American forum, posters would get very passionate about the subjects of abortion and death penalty. To me there seemed little logic in being pro-life and for the death penalty.
So I wo creed where you stood.
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" Everything in life has an opportunity cost. The cost of treating this evil man is other people go needy. I personally can't justify that. the cost of his end of life care is a drop in the ocean compared to what it costs to keep someone in a special hospital each day. What he's receiving will not mean anyone else going without. the nursing staff who currently care for him will continue to do so along with many, many others who have committed the most serious of offenses. Nurses, unlike doctors, do not take an oath but are bound by a code of conduct that governs their registration. What I do find really disturbing though, are some of the punishments people on this thread are advocating that other people inflict on him, on their behalf...are we all so sure that we are so perfect? that our friends are? members of our own families? I wonder if there would be quite such vehement _iews on appropriate punishment if it was a member of our family who might possibly be on the receiving end of them? I don't advocate inflicting painful punishments on him. The collective cost of caring for him for the last 50 or so years is in the millions. Money that could have helped people who fail to receive help. The choice has been made to spend the money on him and let others die instead." There has never been a conscious them or him funding. Although his incarceration has been in a high secure hospital, I am pretty sure the funds have not come from the NHS. | |||
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"May the end of his life come as quickly as possible as to not cause the medical/nursing staff any angst over their choices. I don't wish him pain, I rather focus my thoughts wishing his victims and their families peace and love.
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"i used to be in the 'death penalty' camp of thinking by the way.. my brother was murdered, a knife in his throat ended him and there was a point i'd have seen his killer get the same punishment. it's something i've soul searched, and if he dropped dead tomorrow, fine, but he has a mother too, and family...i couldn't torture and kill someone. there was a time i thought i could, and would have liked too, but the reality of taking a life is a serious one. " It may appear contradictory but the death penalty should be as humane as possible. | |||
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" The collective cost of caring for him for the last 50 or so years is in the millions. Money that could have helped people who fail to receive help. The choice has been made to spend the money on him and let others die instead. There has never been a conscious them or him funding. Although his incarceration has been in a high secure hospital, I am pretty sure the funds have not come from the NHS. " Obviously, the local hospital doesn't walk round to his prison with a pot of their cash. But surely you can see every government service is funded, ultimately from one source? We have to decide where we want money to be spent - NHS, railways, tax cuts etc. I don't like seeing caring services go short, while we fund the prolonged captivity and care of people like this. | |||
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" The collective cost of caring for him for the last 50 or so years is in the millions. Money that could have helped people who fail to receive help. The choice has been made to spend the money on him and let others die instead. There has never been a conscious them or him funding. Although his incarceration has been in a high secure hospital, I am pretty sure the funds have not come from the NHS. Obviously, the local hospital doesn't walk round to his prison with a pot of their cash. But surely you can see every government service is funded, ultimately from one source? We have to decide where we want money to be spent - NHS, railways, tax cuts etc. I don't like seeing caring services go short, while we fund the prolonged captivity and care of people like this." The government allocating funds is a whole different thread... Very political. You want higher funding for, the NHS for example, vote Labour in June. | |||
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"i used to be in the 'death penalty' camp of thinking by the way.. my brother was murdered, a knife in his throat ended him and there was a point i'd have seen his killer get the same punishment. it's something i've soul searched, and if he dropped dead tomorrow, fine, but he has a mother too, and family...i couldn't torture and kill someone. there was a time i thought i could, and would have liked too, but the reality of taking a life is a serious one. It may appear contradictory but the death penalty should be as humane as possible." i mention torture as it was said somewhere above that he should be tortured... i get the argument for the death penalty, and it's a debate i can entertain but when suggesting torturing another human would be an acceptable punishment it makes me worry a little. | |||
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"Seems he's on his last legs. I bet the victims families would prefer he didn't have such care. " Salt and vinegar on any cuts he has might be appropriate care in this case. | |||
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"i used to be in the 'death penalty' camp of thinking by the way.. my brother was murdered, a knife in his throat ended him and there was a point i'd have seen his killer get the same punishment. it's something i've soul searched, and if he dropped dead tomorrow, fine, but he has a mother too, and family...i couldn't torture and kill someone. there was a time i thought i could, and would have liked too, but the reality of taking a life is a serious one. It may appear contradictory but the death penalty should be as humane as possible. i mention torture as it was said somewhere above that he should be tortured... i get the argument for the death penalty, and it's a debate i can entertain but when suggesting torturing another human would be an acceptable punishment it makes me worry a little. "
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" The collective cost of caring for him for the last 50 or so years is in the millions. Money that could have helped people who fail to receive help. The choice has been made to spend the money on him and let others die instead. There has never been a conscious them or him funding. Although his incarceration has been in a high secure hospital, I am pretty sure the funds have not come from the NHS. Obviously, the local hospital doesn't walk round to his prison with a pot of their cash. But surely you can see every government service is funded, ultimately from one source? We have to decide where we want money to be spent - NHS, railways, tax cuts etc. I don't like seeing caring services go short, while we fund the prolonged captivity and care of people like this. The government allocating funds is a whole different thread... Very political. You want higher funding for, the NHS for example, vote Labour in June." If only voting for one party or another solved the problems of the NHS!!!! | |||
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" The collective cost of caring for him for the last 50 or so years is in the millions. Money that could have helped people who fail to receive help. The choice has been made to spend the money on him and let others die instead. There has never been a conscious them or him funding. Although his incarceration has been in a high secure hospital, I am pretty sure the funds have not come from the NHS. Obviously, the local hospital doesn't walk round to his prison with a pot of their cash. But surely you can see every government service is funded, ultimately from one source? We have to decide where we want money to be spent - NHS, railways, tax cuts etc. I don't like seeing caring services go short, while we fund the prolonged captivity and care of people like this. The government allocating funds is a whole different thread... Very political. You want higher funding for, the NHS for example, vote Labour in June. If only voting for one party or another solved the problems of the NHS!!!!" You're not wrong. | |||
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"I once watched a heartbreaking prog about Winnie Bennett.... it was so distressing it turned my blood cold. I don't think I've ever sobbed so much at a television prog. This lady had so much dignity. She continued to go up to the Moors to try and be close to her son, walking for hours despite her ailing health at that time. She said during the prog that many years previously she was requested to go to the prison to visit him. She went thinking thag he would show remorse or disclose where Keith's body was, but all he did was taunt her. That to me is almost more evil than the actual murders. Hadn't the poor lady been through enough?? Sick, evil psycho. Now you load of 'do-gooders' tell me again why this parasite deserves 'human rights'???? "Do-gooders"
I don't buy into the moral superiority of someone who condones - no, advocates - the torture of another human being. Not wanting to torture someone does not make someone a "do-gooder"
We exist in a community that abides by a certain social contract. That social contract is violated by people who murder and people who torture. All people who do those things, not just the people who do them in violation of some self-appointed moral arbiter's code of justice.
He isn't 'human' - he lost all 'right's' when HE tortured and killed 6 children.
If he had done so in some countries, and certain states within the US, he would have been executed. End of.
He is human. I find it utterly disgusting when people de-humanize one another in order to promote actions that would, in themselves, be seen as inhumane should they be done against another human being. And it is becoming an all too common linguistic tool.
You are advocating the torture of another human being. A horrible human, yes. But a human nonetheless. However you justify that to yourself is something only you can answer to. I'm just thankful that as a society we haven't sunk to such levels. "You've said it better than I could, Courtney. | |||
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