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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Free Trade, Free Speech & Free Labour. That is trinity of Capitalism and the foundation of the cultural ideals of 'The West'.

I say trinity, because they are 3 faces of the same principal:

Don't interfere using coercion, anybody else's liberty to buy/sell what they want, stop them talking about their stuff, or restrict their movements e.g. to an alternative job or country.

So; it boils down to: Don't interfere, the principal of laissez faire.

They're like a clever structural trick Nature has figured out, like DNA or intelligence. A tiny rainy little island on the edge of a vast continent just managed to figure it out first (along with Holland probably).

You can 'tinker' with the rules to some extent, but it's a process of discovery rather than invention, it's as if the most efficient method of organizing collective masses of people already exists, and we're just feeling it in the dark like the blind men with the elephant.

It is easy to understand why people want 'change' in their lives, but growing up surely involves the realisation, an acceptance that there are profoundly dangerous risks to interfering with the system. Communism was the last radical large scale risk undertaken, and what took care of them couldn't be described in any other way than Natural Selection.

So; bearing in mind the dangerous risks that you might be taking, what would you do to change the world if you had the power? To make it a better place.

You can take something away, upgrade something, or put something new in place.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

I would abolish all taxes apart from VAT, which would absorb all the current ones.

Then nobody would have to pay that tax... until they reached the age of 30. That way simplicity and transparency would exist about what the government asks of us, and a strong work ethic would be instilled in the younger generation, a good habit to last a lifetime.

I would also give every child a packet of white chocolate mice

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I'd ban religion. All of it.

Mandatory retirement would be abolished too, as well as a state pension. You proive for your own retirement and take it when you want to retire.

Speed cameras would be abolished in favour of road sensors at the junctions of roads that require speed reduction(school & hospitals basically). These sensors would activate an engine restriction system on every car when it passes the sensor.

Foreign aid would be scrapped for ten years until we have our own debts paid off and our own infrastructure repaired.

Immigration would be limited to a 1-out-1-in system, but foreign criminals would serve their sentences and then taken directly to an airport and kicked out.

I'd also introduce a law that applies to foreigners who think they can break the law that will deport not just them, but their entire family too. They may think twice about committing crime if an irate Uncle or two would be 'having a quiet word' with them. Sadly, we can't kick homegrown perps out, but we can increase their sentence by a factor of x2 for each time they are found guilty of breaking the law.

Corporal punishment in schools to be reinstated. Kids think they're untouchable these days and when we send our kids to school we should be giving teachers our express authority to act in our stead.

Education subjects must include: money management & budgeting, social responsibility & childcare.

National Service reinstated. Every citizen must do two years service between the ages of 18 - 25. No exceptions apart from the seriously ill, mentally disabled. Even wheelchair bound people can do some sort of national service.

All prices to be capped annually on the 1st Jan. Each year an increase of average inflation across the preceding 12 months plus 2% can be applied.

Abolish different rates of Income Tax - everyone pays 30%. I see no reason why those who succeed should pay more than those who can't be arsed.

Stamp duty abolished - fucking outragious form of indirect taxation.

Corporation tax increased to 50% of profits and companies who try to fiddle their tax returns are fined an entire year's profits.

VAT scrapped.

Free dental care for all

Free eye tests for all

Free hob nobs for all workers at 10.30am.

The unemployed to be used for community projects. Failure to comply means they lose all their benefits.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I would abolish all taxes apart from VAT, which would absorb all the current ones.

Then nobody would have to pay that tax... until they reached the age of 30. That way simplicity and transparency would exist about what the government asks of us, and a strong work ethic would be instilled in the younger generation, a good habit to last a lifetime.

I would also give every child a packet of white chocolate mice "

I like the sound of that, but could it be "milk bottles or shimps" instead?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Take it that's just off the top of your head Wishy?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I'd start by taking all the Capitalists through what their system just did to a lot of people around the world and then get them to explain why it's still so freaking great.

Then I'd get them to explain why totalitarianism necessarily equates to communism. Nicaragua improved under Communism. The Sandinista leaders were all published poets.

Then I'd put the Capitalists on the dole, tax their benefits and give it to the banking captains of Capitalism as a bonus for being so freaking great at what they do.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Take it that's just off the top of your head Wishy? "

Well, yeah, but it's a start lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

can i vote for Wishy in the next elecection??

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Every parent to do civic service consisting of 1 weeks training for and 2 weeks working as a classroom assistant.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Or indeed Why would we want to make the world a better place, just as thought provoking stuff?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Or indeed Why would we want to make the world a better place, just as thought provoking stuff?"

yes

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

By eliminating all of humanity, including myself, and letting the place get on with it in peace.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago
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Id like to teach the world to sing.............

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Id like to teach the world to sing............."

in perfect harmoneeeeeeeeee ....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Let's start by bringing back corpral punishment in schools, borstal, capital punishment and national service. Coz lets face the place has gone down the shitter since they were abolished. And while we're at it lets allow coppers to give kids a good whack when they deserve it. And everyone should be made to use common sense by law, punishable by death if flouted. And while we're at it, why the fuck do we keep murderers alive in prisons?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

i`d get rid of 90% of the population

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"i`d get rid of 90% of the population "

how would you select the 10% you keep?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"i`d get rid of 90% of the population

how would you select the 10% you keep?"

ummm i hadnt thought of that part

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By *hetalkingstoveMan  over a year ago

London


"Abolish different rates of Income Tax - everyone pays 30%. I see no reason why those who succeed should pay more than those who can't be arsed."

Yeah, because everyone who earns a lot of money works hard and ethically for it. There are no systems of privilege in this country that keep the rich rich and the poor poor.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"i`d get rid of 90% of the population

how would you select the 10% you keep?

ummm i hadnt thought of that part "

tee hee get thinking xx

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"i`d get rid of 90% of the population

how would you select the 10% you keep?

ummm i hadnt thought of that part

tee hee get thinking xx"

id keep all the sexiest women in the world and a handful of guys less attractive than me

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"i`d get rid of 90% of the population

how would you select the 10% you keep?

ummm i hadnt thought of that part

tee hee get thinking xx

id keep all the sexiest women in the world and a handful of guys less attractive than me "

bugger and there was me practising my tiddly winks for the ultimate global competition

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Maybe inventing a cure for aids, cancer and a way of feeding everyone on the planet would be a good start.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"i`d get rid of 90% of the population

how would you select the 10% you keep?

ummm i hadnt thought of that part

tee hee get thinking xx

id keep all the sexiest women in the world and a handful of guys less attractive than me

bugger and there was me practising my tiddly winks for the ultimate global competition "

u can stay

i think the point i was making with my first post was that we are the worlds biggest problem

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"i think the point i was making with my first post was that we are the worlds biggest problem "

i did actually get that point i was just being pedantic and trying to make conversation

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"i think the point i was making with my first post was that we are the worlds biggest problem

i did actually get that point i was just being pedantic and trying to make conversation "

ur smarter than u look what does pedantic mean

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

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By *mm_n_ZedCouple  over a year ago

Fareham


"Abolish different rates of Income Tax - everyone pays 30%. I see no reason why those who succeed should pay more than those who can't be arsed.

Yeah, because everyone who earns a lot of money works hard and ethically for it. There are no systems of privilege in this country that keep the rich rich and the poor poor. "

Well said! I don't pay the higher rate of tax but that isn't because I 'can't be arsed' ... it's because I'm paid a crap wage! I actually work ****ing hard!

How would I make the world a better place? I'd award myself a few million £££ ... the world would be no better but it'd SEEM a lot better to me

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By *he tactile technicianMan  over a year ago

the good lands, the bad lands, the any where you may want me lands

I'd elect Wishey for PM, Funkey Monkey as chancellor of the exchequer and make it mandatory to wear a bowler hat!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"ur smarter than u look what does pedantic mean "

are you implying i look stupid?? lol

pedantic just means to be picky/fussy

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I'd elect Wishey for PM, Funkey Monkey as chancellor of the exchequer and make it mandatory to wear a bowler hat!

"

chancellor monkey would prefer a fez

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By *drianukMan  over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

I'd cut taxes

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Abolish different rates of Income Tax - everyone pays 30%. I see no reason why those who succeed should pay more than those who can't be arsed.

Yeah, because everyone who earns a lot of money works hard and ethically for it. There are no systems of privilege in this country that keep the rich rich and the poor poor. "

Were you not given the golden opportunity at school to study hard, gain good grades in your final exams , possibly going onto university and then make a good living for yourself?

It's not the fault of the rich and successful that you squandered that golden opportunity.

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By *he tactile technicianMan  over a year ago

the good lands, the bad lands, the any where you may want me lands


"I'd elect Wishey for PM, Funkey Monkey as chancellor of the exchequer and make it mandatory to wear a bowler hat!

chancellor monkey would prefer a fez"

He's the chancellor now! Funkey can wear his fez and Wishey can borrow Don Estelle's pith helmet...but for the rest of us it's bowlers all the way, mind you the women can have a bowler in any colour or fabric they so wish

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I'd also ban reality shows, anything to do with Simon Cowell, and force Cheryl Cole to stop pissing about and make a goddam decision about her life.

And Tulisa would be available at my beck and call, naked, with a rose up her arse anytime I want her.

(well what's the point being PM if I can't abuse my pos... um... have a few perks.)

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By *phroditeWoman  over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

Seriously? I d work very hard and I d try to promote better communication at all levels, from families, small communities, the workplace... in politics....

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By *hetalkingstoveMan  over a year ago

London


"Abolish different rates of Income Tax - everyone pays 30%. I see no reason why those who succeed should pay more than those who can't be arsed.

Yeah, because everyone who earns a lot of money works hard and ethically for it. There are no systems of privilege in this country that keep the rich rich and the poor poor.

Were you not given the golden opportunity at school to study hard, gain good grades in your final exams , possibly going onto university and then make a good living for yourself?

It's not the fault of the rich and successful that you squandered that golden opportunity."

It's insanely naive to think that if you work hard, you automatically earn a lot of money. And pretty insulting to the huge percentage of the population who do work hard but only make an average income.

People have different skill levels - either "god given", or because they've had better opportunities in life. Those who are luckier, should give more back. That's what being part of a society is all about.

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By *iewMan  over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn

Eradicate the culture where success is not celebrated for the long term, rather than the current short term before the bitterness and jealousy of the under achievers rips it to shreds.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Eradicate the culture where success is not celebrated for the long term, rather than the current short term before the bitterness and jealousy of the under achievers rips it to shreds."

+1,000,000.. quid.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan  over a year ago

London

Oh, and by taxing everyone the same you're punishing those people who choose to go into jobs - nursing, for example - that are about helping people, not making money.

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By *iewMan  over a year ago
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Angus & Findhorn


"Oh, and by taxing everyone the same you're punishing those people who choose to go into jobs - nursing, for example - that are about helping people, not making money. "

some go into nursing because they see it as a vocation, others see it as a great career with worldwide opportunities.

and it is,

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It's insanely naive to think that if you work hard, you automatically earn a lot of money. And pretty insulting to the huge percentage of the population who do work hard but only make an average income.

People have different skill levels - either "god given", or because they've had better opportunities in life. Those who are luckier, should give more back. That's what being part of a society is all about. "

I grew up on a sink estate where nobody was expected to go onto Uni. From that estate I know at least 10 people I went to school with who are now millionaires. I'm not quite in that bracket but I'm not poor either. I also know of dozens of people who ended up the wrong side of the law and have served time.

I sat beside most of them in class at some point through my education. We ALL had the same chances.

It is by no means niave to know for certain that hard work DOES reap rewards. Obviously, some people's version of what hard work is differs from others. I'd say those who are successful know what real hard work is and those that aren't haven't got a scooby what hard work entails, they just know that soon someone will pop along and give them everything they want so they don't have to work for it.

I cannot stomach whingers and whiners who moan about someone else having something they don't, and you only ever hear poor people advocating mugging the rich to redistribute it to the lazy and the inept.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

According to figures from Income Data Services, the most well-respected pay research group in Britain, the number of people registered as UK tax domestiles earning more than £100,000 a year is 113,000.

Some quick simple maths:

113,000 x £100,000 = £11.3bn

£11.3bn - 30% = £3.39bn

Most people in the UK are more likely to find a job at, say, Next (average pay £10,306) or Tesco, which pays its staff an average of £11,594.

So let's now do some simple maths on the same number of low income workers:

113,000 x £11,500 = £1.3bn

£1.3bn - 30% = £43m

~

Now, it would take 8.8m low income workers to match the amount of tax paid by 113,000 £100k+ earners.

It seems quite obvious to me that an even 30% rate of income tax would see high earners paying substantially more than those on low incomes.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I'd abolish the army,navy and air force and re-direct the money towards education and health. All of it.

And no more interfering in other nations or wars.

Part 2 would be to stick all the Daily Mail wannabe Gordon Gekko types in a bear pit and watch them fight each other. Survival of the fittest right?

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By *layfullsamMan  over a year ago

Solihull


"Id like to teach the world to sing.............

in perfect harmoneeeeeeeeee ...."

Come on everyone

I"d like to hold it in my arms

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

It seems quite obvious to me that an even 30% rate of income tax would see high earners paying substantially more than those on low incomes. "

Winner of the annual 'stating the obvious' award 2011

Still means the rich get richer and the poor get poorer

thought the op was 'How to make the world a 'better place'?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

It seems quite obvious to me that an even 30% rate of income tax would see high earners paying substantially more than those on low incomes.

Winner of the annual 'stating the obvious' award 2011

Still means the rich get richer and the poor get poorer

"

Not if the poor get off their lazy arses and better themselves and stop whining about the rich getting richer. It's just jealousy, pure and simple.

p.s. I don't consider anyone using this site as poor. If you can afford a computer and internet access - you ain't poor.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

It seems quite obvious to me that an even 30% rate of income tax would see high earners paying substantially more than those on low incomes.

Winner of the annual 'stating the obvious' award 2011

Still means the rich get richer and the poor get poorer

Not if the poor get off their lazy arses and better themselves and stop whining about the rich getting richer. It's just jealousy, pure and simple.

p.s. I don't consider anyone using this site as poor. If you can afford a computer and internet access - you ain't poor.

"

but you removed my remark that it hardly makes the world a better place. which was the prominent point

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

It seems quite obvious to me that an even 30% rate of income tax would see high earners paying substantially more than those on low incomes.

Winner of the annual 'stating the obvious' award 2011

Still means the rich get richer and the poor get poorer

Not if the poor get off their lazy arses and better themselves and stop whining about the rich getting richer. It's just jealousy, pure and simple.

p.s. I don't consider anyone using this site as poor. If you can afford a computer and internet access - you ain't poor.

but you removed my remark that it hardly makes the world a better place. which was the prominent point"

Correction. I quoting a PART of what you said as that was the part I wished to comment on. But I did leave your little dig in, I hope that more than makes up for leaving the last part out.

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By *ushroom7Man  over a year ago

Bradford


"I'd ban religion. All of it.

Mandatory retirement would be abolished too, as well as a state pension. You proive for your own retirement and take it when you want to retire.

Speed cameras would be abolished in favour of road sensors at the junctions of roads that require speed reduction(school & hospitals basically). These sensors would activate an engine restriction system on every car when it passes the sensor.

Foreign aid would be scrapped for ten years until we have our own debts paid off and our own infrastructure repaired.

Immigration would be limited to a 1-out-1-in system, but foreign criminals would serve their sentences and then taken directly to an airport and kicked out.

I'd also introduce a law that applies to foreigners who think they can break the law that will deport not just them, but their entire family too. They may think twice about committing crime if an irate Uncle or two would be 'having a quiet word' with them. Sadly, we can't kick homegrown perps out, but we can increase their sentence by a factor of x2 for each time they are found guilty of breaking the law.

Corporal punishment in schools to be reinstated. Kids think they're untouchable these days and when we send our kids to school we should be giving teachers our express authority to act in our stead.

Education subjects must include: money management & budgeting, social responsibility & childcare.

National Service reinstated. Every citizen must do two years service between the ages of 18 - 25. No exceptions apart from the seriously ill, mentally disabled. Even wheelchair bound people can do some sort of national service.

All prices to be capped annually on the 1st Jan. Each year an increase of average inflation across the preceding 12 months plus 2% can be applied.

Abolish different rates of Income Tax - everyone pays 30%. I see no reason why those who succeed should pay more than those who can't be arsed.

Stamp duty abolished - fucking outragious form of indirect taxation.

Corporation tax increased to 50% of profits and companies who try to fiddle their tax returns are fined an entire year's profits.

VAT scrapped.

Free dental care for all

Free eye tests for all

Free hob nobs for all workers at 10.30am.

The unemployed to be used for community projects. Failure to comply means they lose all their benefits."

I'd export Wishy.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" I'd export Wishy."

Hmmm. international expansion.. good plan. I'd tackle America first, same principles. Then France... nah, fuck France, do them last. Tahiti, they need sorting out but it make take some time, bout 30 years. Ta-ra.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

While myself and wishy agree on much, when it comes to immigration, we completely disagree.

This is the main distinguishing item that separates the conservatives from the classical liberals (sometimes called neoliberals today). Neoliberals are much more against the State than the Conservatives. To us, some of the Tories policies are communistic. We don't say that the State shouldn't exist, we understand the Leviathan, we see Government as a special form of Corporation given powers which allow markets to work, but are extremely concerned about the 'feature creep' of western governments over time. The credit crunch is a transient problem, this is not.

Today; I can say without a qualm that China is more Capitalist than the UK in many many respects. Their period of economic growth from following market principals has lifted 400 million people out of poverty. There is no analogy to this in world history.

Free Labour, which means one is able to move about the world/country etc at will, that one can take any job they please if they're able for it, and can't be locked down so they are prevented from working for a competitor.

i.e. Non-Compete legal agreements, prohibitive Intellectual Property agreements and national borders, are anti-capitalistic.

If you think of human labour in the exact same way as a commodity, then you'll on the right page. Any restrictions distort the price signals of the labour market, thus reducing the division of labour, and so wealth. Restrictive border controls have lost us trillions of pounds, and led to new forms of economic slavery.

Likewise, while we don't have a problem with massive corporations, we expect them to Fail. Out of a 41 year period, out of the S&P 500's largest corporations in America, only 12 were left. No Natural Selection = No Capitalism.

The essence of Evolution, the prime force that motivates it, is Death. No Death, no changes. It sounds like philosophy, but it is not.

That is why we're resolutely against the bail-outs. We _iew them as a betrayal of liberal (uk sense of the word) principals, because taxpayers weren't asked their opinion on the bail-outs, there was no referendum. Bad Socialism and even worse Capitalism. Mixing up the two is a lethal combination. One inside the other and visa versa is corruption.

The road to Serfdom is clear, and we'll pay any price to prevent the West cannibalising itself the way the Communists did to their own people. This is a war, and there is no neutrality in it. This isn't about philosophical points of _iew. Michael Moore is a Socialist in theory, but a Capitalist in practice.

Remember China. They were the greatest nation on earth, once. They became ultra-authoritarian and the markets died. They were able to be this stupid collectively, because of past great successes. They got cocky, and they went from 1st to 3rd world as a result.

My country is over 1100% of GDP in debt to foreign governments, and that will increase. The UK owes nearly 4 times its GDP to foreign governments. That doesn't include what the governments owe to their own populations. You could sell every single property in the entire UK, and you still wouldn't be anywhere near paying off the national debt. The world's largest economy has a 50%/50% chance at best on defaulting on its debts, which has never happened before.

People seem to think this happened recently. It didn't. It's the result of a century of government getting larger and larger, with hardly a single occurrence of reduction. Either we fix this problem, or we'll eventually be living in a world like The Road.

And that means no white chocolate mice for the children

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