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"Bloody love it shotguns though for us anything that is on quarry list is fair game but mainly pigeons and geese" . Very good ! Can't beat going the Orkney isles for the geese | |||
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"Just bought a new rifle for deer stalking , anybody on here enjoying shooting ?" I look good in a deer stalker | |||
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"I don't know how anyone could blatantly admit to wanting to shoot deers or any other innocent animal for that matter it's barbaric !!!! Hold your head in shame tut tut !!!" Totally agree it's disgusting tells me alot about people x | |||
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"I don't know how anyone could blatantly admit to wanting to shoot deers or any other innocent animal for that matter it's barbaric !!!! Hold your head in shame tut tut !!! Totally agree it's disgusting tells me alot about people x" If people want to play with guns then go clay pigeon shooting or to a rifle range there's no need to kill !!! | |||
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"I don't know how anyone could blatantly admit to wanting to shoot deers or any other innocent animal for that matter it's barbaric !!!! Hold your head in shame tut tut !!! Totally agree it's disgusting tells me alot about people x If people want to play with guns then go clay pigeon shooting or to a rifle range there's no need to kill !!! " Yeah I guess wounding a clay just doesn't have the same sense of satisfaction .... Because obviously recreational gun users always get a kill shot in ... | |||
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"I used to rifle shoot competitively, but not for a while now. Won a few trophies. I don't shoot animals, just targets, but then I don't judge those who do either. Most people I know who shoot 'for sport' eat what they kill, so I don't see it any different than fishing in that respect. " nice to see a lady who has enjoyed the sport of shooting | |||
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"Just bought a new rifle for deer stalking , anybody on here enjoying shooting ?" Presumably deer management? | |||
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"Just bought a new rifle for deer stalking , anybody on here enjoying shooting ? Presumably deer management? " Course, you can't go wandering around with a rifle shooting deer willy nilly, there are hoops to jump through. My neighbour manages the cull for an estate in the forest (part of the way they make money is having guided stalking), but he still has to take a certain number of deer - the population of deer has exploded in recent years. I used to get out a bit with the shotgun, mostly pigeons and rabbits, but I just seem not to have the time these days. I find it odd that people who eat meat find shooting unacceptable - If you eat meat, all you are doing is paying someone else to do the shooting for you. | |||
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"Just bought a new rifle for deer stalking , anybody on here enjoying shooting ? Presumably deer management? Course, you can't go wandering around with a rifle shooting deer willy nilly, there are hoops to jump through. My neighbour manages the cull for an estate in the forest (part of the way they make money is having guided stalking), but he still has to take a certain number of deer - the population of deer has exploded in recent years. I used to get out a bit with the shotgun, mostly pigeons and rabbits, but I just seem not to have the time these days. I find it odd that people who eat meat find shooting unacceptable - If you eat meat, all you are doing is paying someone else to do the shooting for you. " Yes, I wasn't being funny. I know the shooting laws. I was making the point, a bit obtusely... | |||
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"Just bought a new rifle for deer stalking , anybody on here enjoying shooting ? Presumably deer management? Course, you can't go wandering around with a rifle shooting deer willy nilly, there are hoops to jump through. My neighbour manages the cull for an estate in the forest (part of the way they make money is having guided stalking), but he still has to take a certain number of deer - the population of deer has exploded in recent years. I used to get out a bit with the shotgun, mostly pigeons and rabbits, but I just seem not to have the time these days. I find it odd that people who eat meat find shooting unacceptable - If you eat meat, all you are doing is paying someone else to do the shooting for you. " . But lets be honest, theres an awful lot of "shooters" and I mean an awful lot who aren't in it for shooting their latest meal, I mean tesco is just quicker easier and cheaper. This lot are in it for the killing of other animals | |||
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"Just bought a new rifle for deer stalking , anybody on here enjoying shooting ? Presumably deer management? Course, you can't go wandering around with a rifle shooting deer willy nilly, there are hoops to jump through. My neighbour manages the cull for an estate in the forest (part of the way they make money is having guided stalking), but he still has to take a certain number of deer - the population of deer has exploded in recent years. I used to get out a bit with the shotgun, mostly pigeons and rabbits, but I just seem not to have the time these days. I find it odd that people who eat meat find shooting unacceptable - If you eat meat, all you are doing is paying someone else to do the shooting for you. " I agree it'd be odd to eat meat and find it unacceptable. Personally I meant I wouldn't enjoy shooting animals as per OP's question. I'm afraid I do enjoy eating them and appreciate that I should be able to kill what I eat. | |||
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"Just bought a new rifle for deer stalking , anybody on here enjoying shooting ? Presumably deer management? Course, you can't go wandering around with a rifle shooting deer willy nilly, there are hoops to jump through. My neighbour manages the cull for an estate in the forest (part of the way they make money is having guided stalking), but he still has to take a certain number of deer - the population of deer has exploded in recent years. I used to get out a bit with the shotgun, mostly pigeons and rabbits, but I just seem not to have the time these days. I find it odd that people who eat meat find shooting unacceptable - If you eat meat, all you are doing is paying someone else to do the shooting for you. . But lets be honest, theres an awful lot of "shooters" and I mean an awful lot who aren't in it for shooting their latest meal, I mean tesco is just quicker easier and cheaper. This lot are in it for the killing of other animals" Cheaper? A cartridge costs about 40p, I don't know anyone who has been charged for shooting pigeons or rabbits. I guess that the driven shoots are slightly different, but as long as the pheasants are eaten, I don't care what the shooter is thinking - the slaughterman in the abbotoir isn't going to keep all the animals for his dinner either. | |||
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"Just bought a new rifle for deer stalking , anybody on here enjoying shooting ? Presumably deer management? Course, you can't go wandering around with a rifle shooting deer willy nilly, there are hoops to jump through. My neighbour manages the cull for an estate in the forest (part of the way they make money is having guided stalking), but he still has to take a certain number of deer - the population of deer has exploded in recent years. I used to get out a bit with the shotgun, mostly pigeons and rabbits, but I just seem not to have the time these days. I find it odd that people who eat meat find shooting unacceptable - If you eat meat, all you are doing is paying someone else to do the shooting for you. . But lets be honest, theres an awful lot of "shooters" and I mean an awful lot who aren't in it for shooting their latest meal, I mean tesco is just quicker easier and cheaper. This lot are in it for the killing of other animals Cheaper? A cartridge costs about 40p, I don't know anyone who has been charged for shooting pigeons or rabbits. I guess that the driven shoots are slightly different, but as long as the pheasants are eaten, I don't care what the shooter is thinking - the slaughterman in the abbotoir isn't going to keep all the animals for his dinner either. " . Well I'm afraid I used to be one of that group for awhile, for me it was a competition against others. I ate what I eat but 80% of it I gave away as I was killing for ten in the end | |||
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"I don't know how anyone could blatantly admit to wanting to shoot deers or any other innocent animal for that matter it's barbaric !!!! Hold your head in shame tut tut !!! Totally agree it's disgusting tells me alot about people x If people want to play with guns then go clay pigeon shooting or to a rifle range there's no need to kill !!! " | |||
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"Just bought a new rifle for deer stalking , anybody on here enjoying shooting ? Presumably deer management? Course, you can't go wandering around with a rifle shooting deer willy nilly, there are hoops to jump through. My neighbour manages the cull for an estate in the forest (part of the way they make money is having guided stalking), but he still has to take a certain number of deer - the population of deer has exploded in recent years. I used to get out a bit with the shotgun, mostly pigeons and rabbits, but I just seem not to have the time these days. I find it odd that people who eat meat find shooting unacceptable - If you eat meat, all you are doing is paying someone else to do the shooting for you. . But lets be honest, theres an awful lot of "shooters" and I mean an awful lot who aren't in it for shooting their latest meal, I mean tesco is just quicker easier and cheaper. This lot are in it for the killing of other animals Cheaper? A cartridge costs about 40p, I don't know anyone who has been charged for shooting pigeons or rabbits. I guess that the driven shoots are slightly different, but as long as the pheasants are eaten, I don't care what the shooter is thinking - the slaughterman in the abbotoir isn't going to keep all the animals for his dinner either. . Well I'm afraid I used to be one of that group for awhile, for me it was a competition against others. I ate what I eat but 80% of it I gave away as I was killing for ten in the end" I used to beat on my ex-landlords shoot. I was the kind of bloke who backed his pick-up into the game larder at the end of the day and saved my landlord the bother of finding homes for the birds. The decent ones were frozen for me, any others fed my dogs. | |||
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"I don't know how anyone could blatantly admit to wanting to shoot deers or any other innocent animal for that matter it's barbaric !!!! Hold your head in shame tut tut !!! Totally agree it's disgusting tells me alot about people x If people want to play with guns then go clay pigeon shooting or to a rifle range there's no need to kill !!! " Talking of wastes of money.... All that time, effort and expense to have made a mess and come home dinnerless. Mildly pointless if you ask me. | |||
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"Bloody love it shotguns though for us anything that is on quarry list is fair game but mainly pigeons and geese. Very good ! Can't beat going the Orkney isles for the geese " I'm most fortunate can do it close to home | |||
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"Just bought a new rifle for deer stalking , anybody on here enjoying shooting ? Presumably deer management? Course, you can't go wandering around with a rifle shooting deer willy nilly, there are hoops to jump through. My neighbour manages the cull for an estate in the forest (part of the way they make money is having guided stalking), but he still has to take a certain number of deer - the population of deer has exploded in recent years. I used to get out a bit with the shotgun, mostly pigeons and rabbits, but I just seem not to have the time these days. I find it odd that people who eat meat find shooting unacceptable - If you eat meat, all you are doing is paying someone else to do the shooting for you. . But lets be honest, theres an awful lot of "shooters" and I mean an awful lot who aren't in it for shooting their latest meal, I mean tesco is just quicker easier and cheaper. This lot are in it for the killing of other animals Cheaper? A cartridge costs about 40p, I don't know anyone who has been charged for shooting pigeons or rabbits. I guess that the driven shoots are slightly different, but as long as the pheasants are eaten, I don't care what the shooter is thinking - the slaughterman in the abbotoir isn't going to keep all the animals for his dinner either. . Well I'm afraid I used to be one of that group for awhile, for me it was a competition against others. I ate what I eat but 80% of it I gave away as I was killing for ten in the end I used to beat on my ex-landlords shoot. I was the kind of bloke who backed his pick-up into the game larder at the end of the day and saved my landlord the bother of finding homes for the birds. The decent ones were frozen for me, any others fed my dogs. " . I stopped when I realised I had more chest freezers than a person should have. I say stopped, I mean stopped being competitive about it. I haven't been shooting for years not much skill requi_ed blasting fat peasants with a shotgun, I was always the skilled killer type | |||
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"Just bought a new rifle for deer stalking , anybody on here enjoying shooting ? Presumably deer management? Course, you can't go wandering around with a rifle shooting deer willy nilly, there are hoops to jump through. My neighbour manages the cull for an estate in the forest (part of the way they make money is having guided stalking), but he still has to take a certain number of deer - the population of deer has exploded in recent years. I used to get out a bit with the shotgun, mostly pigeons and rabbits, but I just seem not to have the time these days. I find it odd that people who eat meat find shooting unacceptable - If you eat meat, all you are doing is paying someone else to do the shooting for you. . But lets be honest, theres an awful lot of "shooters" and I mean an awful lot who aren't in it for shooting their latest meal, I mean tesco is just quicker easier and cheaper. This lot are in it for the killing of other animals Cheaper? A cartridge costs about 40p, I don't know anyone who has been charged for shooting pigeons or rabbits. I guess that the driven shoots are slightly different, but as long as the pheasants are eaten, I don't care what the shooter is thinking - the slaughterman in the abbotoir isn't going to keep all the animals for his dinner either. . Well I'm afraid I used to be one of that group for awhile, for me it was a competition against others. I ate what I eat but 80% of it I gave away as I was killing for ten in the end I used to beat on my ex-landlords shoot. I was the kind of bloke who backed his pick-up into the game larder at the end of the day and saved my landlord the bother of finding homes for the birds. The decent ones were frozen for me, any others fed my dogs. . I stopped when I realised I had more chest freezers than a person should have. I say stopped, I mean stopped being competitive about it. I haven't been shooting for years not much skill requi_ed blasting fat peasants with a shotgun, I was always the skilled killer type " Haha - I was a lowly beater, so only got to shoot on beaters' day. I only ever had one chest freezer, but I do have sheepdogs to feed..... | |||
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"Not about wanten killing for the sake of it for sport and for the table,not all meat comes from super markets " Quite. And since eating meat is perfectly legal, it behoves a person at least once in their life (vegans excepted) to actually take responsability for doing the killing themselves. | |||
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"Not about wanten killing for the sake of it for sport and for the table,not all meat comes from super markets Quite. And since eating meat is perfectly legal, it behoves a person at least once in their life (vegans excepted) to actually take responsability for doing the killing themselves. " Why when I can go to the butchers)/supermarket and get it from there? I eat meat,but I know I'm not capable of killing an animal,if my life depended on it then yes I would have to. Mean as though my life doesn't depend on it though I shall leave the slaughter up to others that can do it. | |||
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"We have a friends Son that does the beating for a local shoot and we often get given a brace of pheasants, as much as I'm a meat eater I cannot bring myself to eat them. " Why? They don't look that different from chickens and you presumably eat those. The butchers in town used to sell braces of pheasant in the feather when I was a a student for about £3 a brace, I lived off them in the season - two almost chicken sized free range birds for £1.50 each...bargain. | |||
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"We have a friends Son that does the beating for a local shoot and we often get given a brace of pheasants, as much as I'm a meat eater I cannot bring myself to eat them. Why? They don't look that different from chickens and you presumably eat those. The butchers in town used to sell braces of pheasant in the feather when I was a a student for about £3 a brace, I lived off them in the season - two almost chicken sized free range birds for £1.50 each...bargain. " I have no idea why, I just find utterly off putting. It annoys my husband no end. Admittedly I'm not a huge fan of game meats anyway, or offal come to that. But something in my head just says no. | |||
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"Just bought a new rifle for deer stalking , anybody on here enjoying shooting ? Presumably deer management? Course, you can't go wandering around with a rifle shooting deer willy nilly, there are hoops to jump through. My neighbour manages the cull for an estate in the forest (part of the way they make money is having guided stalking), but he still has to take a certain number of deer - the population of deer has exploded in recent years. I used to get out a bit with the shotgun, mostly pigeons and rabbits, but I just seem not to have the time these days. I find it odd that people who eat meat find shooting unacceptable - If you eat meat, all you are doing is paying someone else to do the shooting for you. . But lets be honest, theres an awful lot of "shooters" and I mean an awful lot who aren't in it for shooting their latest meal, I mean tesco is just quicker easier and cheaper. This lot are in it for the killing of other animals Cheaper? A cartridge costs about 40p, I don't know anyone who has been charged for shooting pigeons or rabbits. I guess that the driven shoots are slightly different, but as long as the pheasants are eaten, I don't care what the shooter is thinking - the slaughterman in the abbotoir isn't going to keep all the animals for his dinner either. . Well I'm afraid I used to be one of that group for awhile, for me it was a competition against others. I ate what I eat but 80% of it I gave away as I was killing for ten in the end I used to beat on my ex-landlords shoot. I was the kind of bloke who backed his pick-up into the game larder at the end of the day and saved my landlord the bother of finding homes for the birds. The decent ones were frozen for me, any others fed my dogs. . I stopped when I realised I had more chest freezers than a person should have. I say stopped, I mean stopped being competitive about it. I haven't been shooting for years not much skill requi_ed blasting fat peasants with a shotgun, I was always the skilled killer type Haha - I was a lowly beater, so only got to shoot on beaters' day. I only ever had one chest freezer, but I do have sheepdogs to feed....." . I used to kill alot of moles for locals but do you know what I found, catching the fuckers was the most addictive thing ever, especially the tricky older ones, it takes a certain skill, knowledge and patience and I found myself in a battle of wits with one in particular, of course it probably wasn't the same one but in my mind it became a war of attrition. I kept him in a bucket in my front room for about two weeks until releasing him into this couples prized landscaped garden one night. They really annoyed me because they used to moan to the council, little fucker dug up the entire place | |||
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"Just bought a new rifle for deer stalking , anybody on here enjoying shooting ? Presumably deer management? Course, you can't go wandering around with a rifle shooting deer willy nilly, there are hoops to jump through. My neighbour manages the cull for an estate in the forest (part of the way they make money is having guided stalking), but he still has to take a certain number of deer - the population of deer has exploded in recent years. I used to get out a bit with the shotgun, mostly pigeons and rabbits, but I just seem not to have the time these days. I find it odd that people who eat meat find shooting unacceptable - If you eat meat, all you are doing is paying someone else to do the shooting for you. . But lets be honest, theres an awful lot of "shooters" and I mean an awful lot who aren't in it for shooting their latest meal, I mean tesco is just quicker easier and cheaper. This lot are in it for the killing of other animals Cheaper? A cartridge costs about 40p, I don't know anyone who has been charged for shooting pigeons or rabbits. I guess that the driven shoots are slightly different, but as long as the pheasants are eaten, I don't care what the shooter is thinking - the slaughterman in the abbotoir isn't going to keep all the animals for his dinner either. . Well I'm afraid I used to be one of that group for awhile, for me it was a competition against others. I ate what I eat but 80% of it I gave away as I was killing for ten in the end I used to beat on my ex-landlords shoot. I was the kind of bloke who backed his pick-up into the game larder at the end of the day and saved my landlord the bother of finding homes for the birds. The decent ones were frozen for me, any others fed my dogs. . I stopped when I realised I had more chest freezers than a person should have. I say stopped, I mean stopped being competitive about it. I haven't been shooting for years not much skill requi_ed blasting fat peasants with a shotgun, I was always the skilled killer type Haha - I was a lowly beater, so only got to shoot on beaters' day. I only ever had one chest freezer, but I do have sheepdogs to feed...... I used to kill alot of moles for locals but do you know what I found, catching the fuckers was the most addictive thing ever, especially the tricky older ones, it takes a certain skill, knowledge and patience and I found myself in a battle of wits with one in particular, of course it probably wasn't the same one but in my mind it became a war of attrition. I kept him in a bucket in my front room for about two weeks until releasing him into this couples prized landscaped garden one night. They really annoyed me because they used to moan to the council, little fucker dug up the entire place " Grrrrr moles! Im trying carbon monoxide at the moment. Wish me luck! | |||
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"Yes.... I often shoot Infact this morning I shot 2 magpies and 1 crow in the garden. Am surrounded by fields and permission to shoot on it all. Magpies, crows, jackdaws, pigeons, squirrels and foxes. Foxing tomorrow night if nothing else comes up. Have HW100 air rifle Few 12g shottys .22 ruger 10/22 semi auto RF .17 hmr Sako Quad wood varmint (nearly always use this) .222CF Sako 75 wood varmint for fox Been shooting for about 25 years " What do you do with everything you kill? | |||
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" What do you do with everything you kill?" Foxes, farmer burns them or buries them. Pigeons, I re-arrange as decoys to bring more in, then leave them to attract / bait foxes crows, magpies, squirrels, etc. I leave in fields for buzzard to eat. | |||
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" What do you do with everything you kill? Foxes, farmer burns them or buries them. Pigeons, I re-arrange as decoys to bring more in, then leave them to attract / bait foxes crows, magpies, squirrels, etc. I leave in fields for buzzard to eat. " So you just enjoy the killing aspect? | |||
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"I've only been shooting a could've of times. I seem to have a talent for the shotgun. It makes me feel tough. " Please stay away from guns if you really feel like that! | |||
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" So you just enjoy the killing aspect?" Sort of..... But it's a lot more than that. There are many more facets to hunting, some will just never get, I can't put it in all in to words either but will try.... I enjoy hunting, conservation, the animals I shoot are classified as vermin! In our garden, it's full of Robins, blackbirds, we have a family of wagtails, sparrows, spotted woodpecker has a nest in the apple tree (20 yards from the back of house which I've filmed making the hole, from bathroom window. We have swallows, finches, a wren that comes everyday, for a crumbled digestive. The wildlife birds are thriving and I love to see them and encourage them to the safety of our garden. Magpie will get shot though, I shoot about 10 a year, and every year, a new lot move in but not for long. They're not welcome! Magpies attack nests, they're after the eggs, they attack new born birds too and bully them. Why we have so many songbirds instead. Yes it's nature but I'm part of nature too and I shoot them. We still have lots of magpies btw, I can get my binoculars now and see about 15. They just seem to know, this space is too dangerous.... that's fine. As for shooting pigeons and other stuff on farmland. The farmers want their crops / chickens / lands protected. I get permission to walk around hund_eds of acres of beautiful countryside, in return I shoot vermin and control numbers. If I didn't, there's always plenty that will. It's the countryside, it's what we all do, always have and future generations will naturally do. On a summers day, with nothing to do, I can go to several places and set up. Relax for many hours enjoying the beautiful views, sometimes I don't get to shoot anything, good days I still don't shoot a vast amount but I get to see so much more.....watching the hares box and come within a few feet of me, the buzzard feeding, later on I'll see it bring its babies to a shot bird and teach them what to do! I take some bread and feed the ducks, swans and a family of field mice that have now got use to me taking food and have some cracking photos of them holding crumbs of bread with their hands and eating it. Love taking photos of sunsets too, while waiting for a fox, especially they've been killing young lambs. Shooting is a skill too, yes you may walk of a factory estate, or shopping centre and walk amongst magpies, thinking it's easy. They're hopping on the verge, only a few feet away! You try getting near one in the country, with a rifle in hand. Can take hours, patience and skill to outwit the next target, get it to land close enough, for a confident, clean and humane safe shot, that'll kill instantly and not suffer. Pigeons are flying rats, carry all sorts of disease and the hund_eds round here eat lots of farmers crops Foxes kill newborn lambs, ducks and chickens, also spread disease, most have mange. Squirrels, many parts of the country, there is a campaign on to get rid of grey squirrels and hope the _ed ones may return. I can't see it happening, the grey ones are here to stay but it'd be nice to get _ed ones back again. Looking at the numbers, I don't get to shoot lots each year, ones I do, well for them it's wrong place, wrong time. But get see so much more and enjoy. Yeah, I can I say love it. | |||
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" I used to beat on my ex-landlords shoot. I was the kind of bloke who backed his pick-up into the game larder at the end of the day and saved my landlord the bother of finding homes for the birds. The decent ones were frozen for me, any others fed my dogs. . I stopped when I realised I had more chest freezers than a person should have. I say stopped, I mean stopped being competitive about it. I haven't been shooting for years not much skill requi_ed blasting fat peasants with a shotgun, I was always the skilled killer type " Shooting Peasants is frowned on these days. You need to stick to approved game | |||
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"Presumably those who are saying how disgusting shooting animals is are vegan rather than meat eating, leather wearing hypocrites " I would say presuming that would be an entirety misguided assumption .... | |||
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"Presumably those who are saying how disgusting shooting animals is are vegan rather than meat eating, leather wearing hypocrites I would say presuming that would be an entirety misguided assumption .... " I see their point though. Don't be outraged if you're just going to let someone else kill for you. | |||
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"Presumably those who are saying how disgusting shooting animals is are vegan rather than meat eating, leather wearing hypocrites I would say presuming that would be an entirety misguided assumption .... I see their point though. Don't be outraged if you're just going to let someone else kill for you. " I see no value in naïve irrational blanket statements ,,,,,, You cant assume that everyone is motivated by the same criteria | |||
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" I used to beat on my ex-landlords shoot. I was the kind of bloke who backed his pick-up into the game larder at the end of the day and saved my landlord the bother of finding homes for the birds. The decent ones were frozen for me, any others fed my dogs. . I stopped when I realised I had more chest freezers than a person should have. I say stopped, I mean stopped being competitive about it. I haven't been shooting for years not much skill requi_ed blasting fat peasants with a shotgun, I was always the skilled killer type Shooting Peasants is frowned on these days. You need to stick to approved game " | |||
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"Presumably those who are saying how disgusting shooting animals is are vegan rather than meat eating, leather wearing hypocrites I would say presuming that would be an entirety misguided assumption .... I see their point though. Don't be outraged if you're just going to let someone else kill for you. I see no value in naïve irrational blanket statements ,,,,,, You cant assume that everyone is motivated by the same criteria " I see some value in them. | |||
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"Presumably those who are saying how disgusting shooting animals is are vegan rather than meat eating, leather wearing hypocrites I would say presuming that would be an entirety misguided assumption .... I see their point though. Don't be outraged if you're just going to let someone else kill for you. I see no value in naïve irrational blanket statements ,,,,,, You cant assume that everyone is motivated by the same criteria I see some value in them. " I cant help you there Clem... | |||
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"Presumably those who are saying how disgusting shooting animals is are vegan rather than meat eating, leather wearing hypocrites I would say presuming that would be an entirety misguided assumption .... I see their point though. Don't be outraged if you're just going to let someone else kill for you. I see no value in naïve irrational blanket statements ,,,,,, You cant assume that everyone is motivated by the same criteria I see some value in them. I cant help you there Clem... " Can't or won't....?! | |||
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"I used to rifle shoot competitively, but not for a while now. Won a few trophies. I don't shoot animals, just targets, but then I don't judge those who do either. Most people I know who shoot 'for sport' eat what they kill, so I don't see it any different than fishing in that respect. nice to see a lady who has enjoyed the sport of shooting" Shooting defenceless animals is anything but sport. Its a past time for those who have a personality disorder. | |||
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"I used to rifle shoot competitively, but not for a while now. Won a few trophies. I don't shoot animals, just targets, but then I don't judge those who do either. Most people I know who shoot 'for sport' eat what they kill, so I don't see it any different than fishing in that respect. " Did you compete at bisley comp as I think you beat me a few times there | |||
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"I imagine half the people on here saying killing animals is wrong think their Sunday roast died of natural causes" | |||
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" Love shooting, I have multiple shotguns, rifles and a 175lb laser sight crossbow Enjoy clays mostly but occasionally game shoot I only shoot game I plan to eat or for pest control, not into trophy hunting that's for American assholes " *correction on game from fame autocorrect I'm not out hunting celebrities | |||
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" So you just enjoy the killing aspect? Sort of..... But it's a lot more than that. There are many more facets to hunting, some will just never get, I can't put it in all in to words either but will try.... I enjoy hunting, conservation, the animals I shoot are classified as vermin! In our garden, it's full of Robins, blackbirds, we have a family of wagtails, sparrows, spotted woodpecker has a nest in the apple tree (20 yards from the back of house which I've filmed making the hole, from bathroom window. We have swallows, finches, a wren that comes everyday, for a crumbled digestive. The wildlife birds are thriving and I love to see them and encourage them to the safety of our garden. Magpie will get shot though, I shoot about 10 a year, and every year, a new lot move in but not for long. They're not welcome! Magpies attack nests, they're after the eggs, they attack new born birds too and bully them. Why we have so many songbirds instead. Yes it's nature but I'm part of nature too and I shoot them. We still have lots of magpies btw, I can get my binoculars now and see about 15. They just seem to know, this space is too dangerous.... that's fine. As for shooting pigeons and other stuff on farmland. The farmers want their crops / chickens / lands protected. I get permission to walk around hund_eds of acres of beautiful countryside, in return I shoot vermin and control numbers. If I didn't, there's always plenty that will. It's the countryside, it's what we all do, always have and future generations will naturally do. On a summers day, with nothing to do, I can go to several places and set up. Relax for many hours enjoying the beautiful views, sometimes I don't get to shoot anything, good days I still don't shoot a vast amount but I get to see so much more.....watching the hares box and come within a few feet of me, the buzzard feeding, later on I'll see it bring its babies to a shot bird and teach them what to do! I take some bread and feed the ducks, swans and a family of field mice that have now got use to me taking food and have some cracking photos of them holding crumbs of bread with their hands and eating it. Love taking photos of sunsets too, while waiting for a fox, especially they've been killing young lambs. Shooting is a skill too, yes you may walk of a factory estate, or shopping centre and walk amongst magpies, thinking it's easy. They're hopping on the verge, only a few feet away! You try getting near one in the country, with a rifle in hand. Can take hours, patience and skill to outwit the next target, get it to land close enough, for a confident, clean and humane safe shot, that'll kill instantly and not suffer. Pigeons are flying rats, carry all sorts of disease and the hund_eds round here eat lots of farmers crops Foxes kill newborn lambs, ducks and chickens, also spread disease, most have mange. Squirrels, many parts of the country, there is a campaign on to get rid of grey squirrels and hope the _ed ones may return. I can't see it happening, the grey ones are here to stay but it'd be nice to get _ed ones back again. Looking at the numbers, I don't get to shoot lots each year, ones I do, well for them it's wrong place, wrong time. But get see so much more and enjoy. Yeah, I can I say love it. " Humankind pollutes the earth water and skies. We kill in the name of a random deity or political cause we are the biggest pest on the planet. All the situations highlighted in your prose are natures way of dealing eco balancing. I doubt if mother natures needs a helping hand from homosapiens using guns. Quite the contrary I believe. | |||
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"I imagine half the people on here saying killing animals is wrong think their Sunday roast died of natural causes" Off topic a bit, I have a few vegetarian friends, they know I shoot and stuff but I don't go on about it, they don't tell me what to do either. I do notice that lots of vegetarians and vegans, ones that don't agree with any form of people killing animals, they drive around and say 'look at those beautiful cows, aren't they gorgeous, how could anyone kill and eat those'. Well yes, driving around countryside and seeing cows, with calves, baby sheep, piglets etc. are lovely to see but farners only breed and keep animals to make money, it's a business his livelihood and to provide food. If nobody brought meat, they wouldn't be there. No farmer would keep cows in a field, for others to look, as his expensive hobby! If meat was banned tomorrow, they'd all be shot, fields sold for housing and they'd not exist, regardless! | |||
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" Humankind pollutes the earth water and skies. We kill in the name of a random deity or political cause we are the biggest pest on the planet. All the situations highlighted in your prose are natures way of dealing eco balancing. I doubt if mother natures needs a helping hand from homosapiens using guns. Quite the contrary I believe." I'm part of nature too, as we and all animals are. Natures way of dealing with things.... yep I'm playing my part, I've already highlighted and I enjoy it too. Mother Nature... you'll be telling me god is real too! | |||
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" Humankind pollutes the earth water and skies. We kill in the name of a random deity or political cause we are the biggest pest on the planet. All the situations highlighted in your prose are natures way of dealing eco balancing. I doubt if mother natures needs a helping hand from homosapiens using guns. Quite the contrary I believe. I'm part of nature too, as we and all animals are. Natures way of dealing with things.... yep I'm playing my part, I've already highlighted and I enjoy it too. Mother Nature... you'll be telling me god is real too! " You are killing for pleasure you admit it. Your actions are based on illusionary situations. For instance whilst lying in wait for a fox and admiring the sunsent, you kill the fox that may just have pups. Foxes on the whole hunt small rodents and scavenge on carrion. Your sunset excursions do nothing to keep the balance of nature in check. As for God she is real is she not? | |||
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"Presumably those who are saying how disgusting shooting animals is are vegan rather than meat eating, leather wearing hypocrites I would say presuming that would be an entirety misguided assumption .... I see their point though. Don't be outraged if you're just going to let someone else kill for you. I see no value in naïve irrational blanket statements ,,,,,, You cant assume that everyone is motivated by the same criteria I see some value in them. I cant help you there Clem... Can't or won't....?!" I'm just not medically qualified in that field... | |||
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"Presumably those who are saying how disgusting shooting animals is are vegan rather than meat eating, leather wearing hypocrites " of course they are | |||
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" You are killing for pleasure you admit it. Your actions are based on illusionary situations. For instance whilst lying in wait for a fox and admiring the sunsent, you kill the fox that may just have pups. Foxes on the whole hunt small rodents and scavenge on carrion. Your sunset excursions do nothing to keep the balance of nature in check. As for God she is real is she not?" I enjoy hunting, this is true, it's never been a secret! My actions are based on what I enjoy, the scenery and sunsets and my excursions, well I get permission because the farmers wants me shooting, which I also want to do! If I didn't shoot, they'd hand no problem finding someone else. I'd not have permission so would be trespassing! Farners give me land, i help farmer and hunt. I don't shoot around March / April as that's when they are born and dependant, unless there is a regular occurancd of new born lambs getting savaged..... then I will step in and deal with it! May onwards the cubs will venture out.... no problem shooting those either! I feel you don't like it one bit, I've been honest and open, replied nicely and detailed. Like politics, you have your passions, I gave mine, but we're never going to share a hug | |||
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"I don't object to hunting for food , I don't object to pest control ....It's just a shame humanity is becoming the most prodigious pest on the planet " it's illegal to hunt humans though. more's the pity. | |||
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"I don't object to hunting for food , I don't object to pest control ....It's just a shame humanity is becoming the most prodigious pest on the planet it's illegal to hunt humans though. more's the pity. " That's what we get for allowing humans to make the laws | |||
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"I don't object to hunting for food , I don't object to pest control ....It's just a shame humanity is becoming the most prodigious pest on the planet it's illegal to hunt humans though. more's the pity. " I'm still waiting for the purge to pay my ex a visit lol joking It would be more satisfying to do it manually | |||
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"The shooting of certain animal species is requi_ed to maintain control of the population, and maintain the animals natural habitat. Shooting for this reason I think is perfectly acceptable so long as it is a clean shot that kills humainly and doesnt cause the animal to suffer." That's bollocks and you know it. Shooting isn't requi_ed. It's reserved for sick cunts. Why you can't swap a gun for a camera is beyond me. Name some species that REQUIRE shooting by a hunter and I'm sure there's an alternative to blowing it's fucking brains out. Can't you replace bullets with tranquilizer.. so the times you don't get a clean shot.. Which is more often than you'd all care to admit.. then the animal can just drift off to sleep? I put my gun down after the army and won't pick another up. Not even an air rifle. Killer toys for people who don't value life. | |||
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"There seems to be a lot of negative comments regarding hunting general on this forum, a high proportion of these people probably eat meat.. Im a small game hunter primarily and I assure you all that the game I hunt mainly rabbits and squirrels are despatched in the most ethical way possible (headshot), these animals do not suffer its a very quick death. Now compare this to animals that are raised in poor conditions, fed a diet comprising mainly of foods for them to gain weight with little or no nutritional value and then slaughte_ed on a mass scale. Even worse when you take into account that a vast majority of meat in the country is halal, meaning that the animal is strung up with no stunning and is bled to death over several minutes as prayers are said over the dying animal. Bear all of this in mind and then tell me which method is the most inhumane?? I know which method I prefer" it's fine to keep tens of thousands of chikens in a squalid barn (has anyone here been to a chicken farm...i have, the workers walk through picking up the dead birds from the floor that have died of heart attack because the steroids they're fed force them to grow so fast the heart can't keep up and id disproportionally small for the birds size so they tend to drop dead a lot. ever seen a normally raised chicken once plucked? nothing whatsoever like the chemically enhanced bodybuilder looking freak chickens you get from the shops) but you know what, auschwitz for chickens is ok...it's fine to eat those birds, because people conveniently don't have to see it...the suffering of what they eat is very much out of sight out of mind for them, they haven't got the balls to be connected to what they eat. they prefer middle men to do the raising and killing | |||
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"I don't object to hunting for food , I don't object to pest control ....It's just a shame humanity is becoming the most prodigious pest on the planet Are you saying that developing country's should have their populations capped to prevent an artificially high number? Along with immigration to northern Europe stopped to ease the pressure on an over stretched farming industry, not to mention housing in a finite area?! " No Clem I'm not saying that, you just said that .... do you think that's the solution... You keep hitting me with these ambiguous questions .. | |||
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"The shooting of certain animal species is requi_ed to maintain control of the population, and maintain the animals natural habitat. Shooting for this reason I think is perfectly acceptable so long as it is a clean shot that kills humainly and doesnt cause the animal to suffer. That's bollocks and you know it. Shooting isn't requi_ed. It's reserved for sick cunts. Why you can't swap a gun for a camera is beyond me. Name some species that REQUIRE shooting by a hunter and I'm sure there's an alternative to blowing it's fucking brains out. Can't you replace bullets with tranquilizer.. so the times you don't get a clean shot.. Which is more often than you'd all care to admit.. then the animal can just drift off to sleep? I put my gun down after the army and won't pick another up. Not even an air rifle. Killer toys for people who don't value life." assuming your vegan then. | |||
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"Just bought a new rifle for deer stalking , anybody on here enjoying shooting ?" oh yea baby | |||
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"I don't object to hunting for food , I don't object to pest control ....It's just a shame humanity is becoming the most prodigious pest on the planet Are you saying that developing country's should have their populations capped to prevent an artificially high number? Along with immigration to northern Europe stopped to ease the pressure on an over stretched farming industry, not to mention housing in a finite area?! No Clem I'm not saying that, you just said that .... do you think that's the solution... You keep hitting me with these ambiguous questions .. " Ah but you said "becoming"... so clearly you don't think humans are the biggest pest yet... So you must be looking at population increase. Where are humans increasing their population size quickest? | |||
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"The shooting of certain animal species is requi_ed to maintain control of the population, and maintain the animals natural habitat. Shooting for this reason I think is perfectly acceptable so long as it is a clean shot that kills humainly and doesnt cause the animal to suffer. That's bollocks and you know it. Shooting isn't requi_ed. It's reserved for sick cunts. Why you can't swap a gun for a camera is beyond me. Name some species that REQUIRE shooting by a hunter and I'm sure there's an alternative to blowing it's fucking brains out. Can't you replace bullets with tranquilizer.. so the times you don't get a clean shot.. Which is more often than you'd all care to admit.. then the animal can just drift off to sleep? I put my gun down after the army and won't pick another up. Not even an air rifle. Killer toys for people who don't value life." Tell that to the _ed squirrel, almost completely extinct due to squirrel pox and having to compete with the larger grey squirrel for food. Now numbers are in the rise throughout many areas of the country due to conservation efforts, a large part of this is attributed to air gunners keeping the number of greys down. | |||
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"maybe someone could design a drone that could be the target so people can shoot without having to kill." This already exists and is crazy fun It's called Gnat shooting and the v shaped drone has exploding charges on the bottom. You stand in down the line formation and a guy does multiple fly pasts. It's awesome Look up your local game show | |||
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"I don't object to hunting for food , I don't object to pest control ....It's just a shame humanity is becoming the most prodigious pest on the planet Are you saying that developing country's should have their populations capped to prevent an artificially high number? Along with immigration to northern Europe stopped to ease the pressure on an over stretched farming industry, not to mention housing in a finite area?! No Clem I'm not saying that, you just said that .... do you think that's the solution... You keep hitting me with these ambiguous questions .. Ah but you said "becoming"... so clearly you don't think humans are the biggest pest yet... So you must be looking at population increase. Where are humans increasing their population size quickest? india" Exactly. Now suddenly it's a pest that needs to be controlled... | |||
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"The shooting of certain animal species is requi_ed to maintain control of the population, and maintain the animals natural habitat. Shooting for this reason I think is perfectly acceptable so long as it is a clean shot that kills humainly and doesnt cause the animal to suffer. That's bollocks and you know it. Shooting isn't requi_ed. It's reserved for sick cunts. Why you can't swap a gun for a camera is beyond me. Name some species that REQUIRE shooting by a hunter and I'm sure there's an alternative to blowing it's fucking brains out. Can't you replace bullets with tranquilizer.. so the times you don't get a clean shot.. Which is more often than you'd all care to admit.. then the animal can just drift off to sleep? I put my gun down after the army and won't pick another up. Not even an air rifle. Killer toys for people who don't value life. Tell that to the _ed squirrel, almost completely extinct due to squirrel pox and having to compete with the larger grey squirrel for food. Now numbers are in the rise throughout many areas of the country due to conservation efforts, a large part of this is attributed to air gunners keeping the number of greys down. " Really? Grey squirrels were introduced accidentally years ago. They're dominant.. nature has taken this out of our hands.. we've assisted natural in the natural selection process.. You're not going to stop that process now it's started.. better to led the _eds die out naturally than killing every grey you see. | |||
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"Comparing hunting to mass food production is a pointless exercise. Two wrongs don't make a right argument.. you hunters don't exist on your kills alone do you? So it hardly gives you any moral high ground. The rest of us who eat meat and choose not to hunt are stuck having to buy that meat or go Vegan. I campaign for animal rights.. I vote accordingly and try my best to shop according to my views.. but until the rest of the UK follows suit.. I'm stuck. Humanity upsets me on many levels.. unfortunately the internet now makes it clearer how many sickosexist on this planet.. I thought we'd improve as time wore on.. seems we don't." Respect your views but that's the whole point, we don't have any right to tell someone else they are wrong because it differs from our own. That's in the same box as churchy joes ramming religion down people's throats. | |||
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"I don't object to hunting for food , I don't object to pest control ....It's just a shame humanity is becoming the most prodigious pest on the planet Are you saying that developing country's should have their populations capped to prevent an artificially high number? Along with immigration to northern Europe stopped to ease the pressure on an over stretched farming industry, not to mention housing in a finite area?! No Clem I'm not saying that, you just said that .... do you think that's the solution... You keep hitting me with these ambiguous questions .. Ah but you said "becoming"... so clearly you don't think humans are the biggest pest yet... So you must be looking at population increase. Where are humans increasing their population size quickest? " Clem you really oughtn't try clearly thinking for me or indeed attempt too misconstrue something you say as being something I would say.... its an ineffectual tactic when trying to challenge your own opinions and the opinions of others ,,,, I can do this all day .... | |||
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"I don't object to hunting for food , I don't object to pest control ....It's just a shame humanity is becoming the most prodigious pest on the planet Are you saying that developing country's should have their populations capped to prevent an artificially high number? Along with immigration to northern Europe stopped to ease the pressure on an over stretched farming industry, not to mention housing in a finite area?! No Clem I'm not saying that, you just said that .... do you think that's the solution... You keep hitting me with these ambiguous questions .. Ah but you said "becoming"... so clearly you don't think humans are the biggest pest yet... So you must be looking at population increase. Where are humans increasing their population size quickest? india Exactly. Now suddenly it's a pest that needs to be controlled..." vermin as basil would say shoot them | |||
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"Do deers need shooting for pest control? No. If they're a pest.. they can be removed via other methods. That's a perfect example of immature gun nuts who get a hard on for taking a life. Real men save lives." Em yes they do, population and health control removing the old sick stags from the gene pool to maintain the blood lines Respect to your service and I get why you now feel this way but like I said opinions are like aresholes, we've all got one | |||
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"Comparing hunting to mass food production is a pointless exercise. Two wrongs don't make a right argument.. you hunters don't exist on your kills alone do you? So it hardly gives you any moral high ground. The rest of us who eat meat and choose not to hunt are stuck having to buy that meat or go Vegan. I campaign for animal rights.. I vote accordingly and try my best to shop according to my views.. but until the rest of the UK follows suit.. I'm stuck. Humanity upsets me on many levels.. unfortunately the internet now makes it clearer how many sickosexist on this planet.. I thought we'd improve as time wore on.. seems we don't. Respect your views but that's the whole point, we don't have any right to tell someone else they are wrong because it differs from our own. That's in the same box as churchy joes ramming religion down people's throats. " Again that's bollocks.. I have a right to tell you exactly what I think if you're taking a life without valid justification.. for sport. I'd expect someone to point out my faults if they upset enough of the population. Most of our population don't give a toss about god.. so it's a different kettle of fish entirely. If this were Saudi Arabia.. you may have a point. | |||
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"Do deers need shooting for pest control? No. If they're a pest.. they can be removed via other methods. That's a perfect example of immature gun nuts who get a hard on for taking a life. Real men save lives. Em yes they do, population and health control removing the old sick stags from the gene pool to maintain the blood lines Respect to your service and I get why you now feel this way but like I said opinions are like aresholes, we've all got one " It doesn't need shooting by a boy with his pretend Willy though does it? A game keeper with a tranq gun could do it. Not Joe public. You're right about arseholes though. | |||
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"Comparing hunting to mass food production is a pointless exercise. Two wrongs don't make a right argument.. you hunters don't exist on your kills alone do you? So it hardly gives you any moral high ground. The rest of us who eat meat and choose not to hunt are stuck having to buy that meat or go Vegan. I campaign for animal rights.. I vote accordingly and try my best to shop according to my views.. but until the rest of the UK follows suit.. I'm stuck. Humanity upsets me on many levels.. unfortunately the internet now makes it clearer how many sickosexist on this planet.. I thought we'd improve as time wore on.. seems we don't. Respect your views but that's the whole point, we don't have any right to tell someone else they are wrong because it differs from our own. That's in the same box as churchy joes ramming religion down people's throats. Again that's bollocks.. I have a right to tell you exactly what I think if you're taking a life without valid justification.. for sport. I'd expect someone to point out my faults if they upset enough of the population. Most of our population don't give a toss about god.. so it's a different kettle of fish entirely. If this were Saudi Arabia.. you may have a point." Freedom of speech brother and that's what makes this great nation great. People outside of fab might choose to call us disgusting, sleazy, disease ridden immoral people but hey that's just their opinion | |||
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" Tell that to the _ed squirrel, almost completely extinct due to squirrel pox and having to compete with the larger grey squirrel for food. Now numbers are in the rise throughout many areas of the country due to conservation efforts, a large part of this is attributed to air gunners keeping the number of greys down. Really? Grey squirrels were introduced accidentally years ago. They're dominant.. nature has taken this out of our hands.. we've assisted natural in the natural selection process.. You're not going to stop that process now it's started.. better to led the _eds die out naturally than killing every grey you see." Exactly! Grey squirrels aren't a uk animal, the _ed is our home land squirrel, but almost wiped out by the greys. I think they are working on something to hit them hard, releasing ones with sterile genes to wipe them out but that. Kind end up like a mixy disaster. Shooting is quick, instant and wouldn't even have a second to know about it. As for misses, no body is perfect but by keeping ranges sensible, being responsible, and checking zero.... missed or wounding are very rare! | |||
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"I don't object to hunting for food , I don't object to pest control ....It's just a shame humanity is becoming the most prodigious pest on the planet Are you saying that developing country's should have their populations capped to prevent an artificially high number? Along with immigration to northern Europe stopped to ease the pressure on an over stretched farming industry, not to mention housing in a finite area?! No Clem I'm not saying that, you just said that .... do you think that's the solution... You keep hitting me with these ambiguous questions .. Ah but you said "becoming"... so clearly you don't think humans are the biggest pest yet... So you must be looking at population increase. Where are humans increasing their population size quickest? Clem you really oughtn't try clearly thinking for me or indeed attempt too misconstrue something you say as being something I would say.... its an ineffectual tactic when trying to challenge your own opinions and the opinions of others ,,,, I can do this all day .... " Sorry i was having a poo. | |||
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" Sorry i was having a poo. I hope you shot it! " Those brown fish are particularly difficult targets | |||
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"I don't object to hunting for food , I don't object to pest control ....It's just a shame humanity is becoming the most prodigious pest on the planet Are you saying that developing country's should have their populations capped to prevent an artificially high number? Along with immigration to northern Europe stopped to ease the pressure on an over stretched farming industry, not to mention housing in a finite area?! No Clem I'm not saying that, you just said that .... do you think that's the solution... You keep hitting me with these ambiguous questions .. Ah but you said "becoming"... so clearly you don't think humans are the biggest pest yet... So you must be looking at population increase. Where are humans increasing their population size quickest? Clem you really oughtn't try clearly thinking for me or indeed attempt too misconstrue something you say as being something I would say.... its an ineffectual tactic when trying to challenge your own opinions and the opinions of others ,,,, I can do this all day .... Sorry i was having a poo. " Glad to hear it mate ..... your thinking should be much clearer now.... Oh I'm only joking ... | |||
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"Comparing hunting to mass food production is a pointless exercise. Two wrongs don't make a right argument.. you hunters don't exist on your kills alone do you? So it hardly gives you any moral high ground. The rest of us who eat meat and choose not to hunt are stuck having to buy that meat or go Vegan. I campaign for animal rights.. I vote accordingly and try my best to shop according to my views.. but until the rest of the UK follows suit.. I'm stuck. Humanity upsets me on many levels.. unfortunately the internet now makes it clearer how many sickosexist on this planet.. I thought we'd improve as time wore on.. seems we don't. Respect your views but that's the whole point, we don't have any right to tell someone else they are wrong because it differs from our own. That's in the same box as churchy joes ramming religion down people's throats. Again that's bollocks.. I have a right to tell you exactly what I think if you're taking a life without valid justification.. for sport. I'd expect someone to point out my faults if they upset enough of the population. Most of our population don't give a toss about god.. so it's a different kettle of fish entirely. If this were Saudi Arabia.. you may have a point. Freedom of speech brother and that's what makes this great nation great. People outside of fab might choose to call us disgusting, sleazy, disease ridden immoral people but hey that's just their opinion " Exactly.. I'm practicing my freedom of speech right now.. people are allowed to think what they like and say it. We're all different.. but I'm the kind of person who vocalises my dislike of people I disagree with who practise barbarity and call it fun. Not just sit back and say.. oh well we all have opinions | |||
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" Tell that to the _ed squirrel, almost completely extinct due to squirrel pox and having to compete with the larger grey squirrel for food. Now numbers are in the rise throughout many areas of the country due to conservation efforts, a large part of this is attributed to air gunners keeping the number of greys down. Really? Grey squirrels were introduced accidentally years ago. They're dominant.. nature has taken this out of our hands.. we've assisted natural in the natural selection process.. You're not going to stop that process now it's started.. better to led the _eds die out naturally than killing every grey you see. Exactly! Grey squirrels aren't a uk animal, the _ed is our home land squirrel, but almost wiped out by the greys. I think they are working on something to hit them hard, releasing ones with sterile genes to wipe them out but that. Kind end up like a mixy disaster. Shooting is quick, instant and wouldn't even have a second to know about it. As for misses, no body is perfect but by keeping ranges sensible, being responsible, and checking zero.... missed or wounding are very rare! " Genetic sterilisation.. now that's an answer.. provided it's safe to other natural grey populations.. but these days the grey is so established you'd be effecting many species who prey and are preyed upon by greys.. would _eds be able to make a quick enough comeback to replace the void.. probably not. So probably best for the environment to let the _ed die out naturally.. and learn the sad lesson. | |||
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"Comparing hunting to mass food production is a pointless exercise. Two wrongs don't make a right argument.. you hunters don't exist on your kills alone do you? So it hardly gives you any moral high ground. The rest of us who eat meat and choose not to hunt are stuck having to buy that meat or go Vegan. I campaign for animal rights.. I vote accordingly and try my best to shop according to my views.. but until the rest of the UK follows suit.. I'm stuck. Humanity upsets me on many levels.. unfortunately the internet now makes it clearer how many sickosexist on this planet.. I thought we'd improve as time wore on.. seems we don't. Respect your views but that's the whole point, we don't have any right to tell someone else they are wrong because it differs from our own. That's in the same box as churchy joes ramming religion down people's throats. Again that's bollocks.. I have a right to tell you exactly what I think if you're taking a life without valid justification.. for sport. I'd expect someone to point out my faults if they upset enough of the population. Most of our population don't give a toss about god.. so it's a different kettle of fish entirely. If this were Saudi Arabia.. you may have a point. Freedom of speech brother and that's what makes this great nation great. People outside of fab might choose to call us disgusting, sleazy, disease ridden immoral people but hey that's just their opinion Exactly.. I'm practicing my freedom of speech right now.. people are allowed to think what they like and say it. We're all different.. but I'm the kind of person who vocalises my dislike of people I disagree with who practise barbarity and call it fun. Not just sit back and say.. oh well we all have opinions" Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm, vocalise away bud | |||
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"Comparing hunting to mass food production is a pointless exercise. Two wrongs don't make a right argument.. you hunters don't exist on your kills alone do you? So it hardly gives you any moral high ground. The rest of us who eat meat and choose not to hunt are stuck having to buy that meat or go Vegan. I campaign for animal rights.. I vote accordingly and try my best to shop according to my views.. but until the rest of the UK follows suit.. I'm stuck. Humanity upsets me on many levels.. unfortunately the internet now makes it clearer how many sickosexist on this planet.. I thought we'd improve as time wore on.. seems we don't. Respect your views but that's the whole point, we don't have any right to tell someone else they are wrong because it differs from our own. That's in the same box as churchy joes ramming religion down people's throats. Again that's bollocks.. I have a right to tell you exactly what I think if you're taking a life without valid justification.. for sport. I'd expect someone to point out my faults if they upset enough of the population. Most of our population don't give a toss about god.. so it's a different kettle of fish entirely. If this were Saudi Arabia.. you may have a point. Freedom of speech brother and that's what makes this great nation great. People outside of fab might choose to call us disgusting, sleazy, disease ridden immoral people but hey that's just their opinion Exactly.. I'm practicing my freedom of speech right now.. people are allowed to think what they like and say it. We're all different.. but I'm the kind of person who vocalises my dislike of people I disagree with who practise barbarity and call it fun. Not just sit back and say.. oh well we all have opinions Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm, vocalise away bud " Despite my views on hunters.. I can say that in South Africa.. big game hunting is preserving rare species and actually reintroducing and boosting wild populations of almost extinct animals.. the rarer the breed the more twats will pay to kill them. So animals don't die out. Sad state of affairs that these cunts are the last resort in protecting endange_ed species. Shows how we've utterly failed morally as a species ourselves. | |||
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" It doesn't need shooting by a boy with his pretend Willy though does it? A game keeper with a tranq gun could do it. Not Joe public. You're right about arseholes though." Yeah... his wiujd that work? Gand keeper darts a stag deer with tranq, then shoots it, but can't eat it, not fit for humans, meat contaminated with tranq. dart Shooting does the job, quickly, efficiently and humanly, gives us venison too! As for his public, joe public doesn't just buy or obtain an FAC overnight. All applications are vetted and pretty tough, takes a while and for hunting purposes, virtually all new applications will have a 'mentoring' condition imposed. Meaning they can't shoot 'xx rifle' for xx reason, without mentoring for 12 months. After which the mentor, game keeper, gives a reference and advises the Firearns licensing officer of his thoughts. Anyone just wanting to shoot a deer, and tag along with a deer stalker, 'to have a go'. I don't know any responsible shooting person that'd say sure. We enjoy what we do, but also respect what we do. FAC licensed people the shoot regularly are not 'joe public' | |||
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"Comparing hunting to mass food production is a pointless exercise. Two wrongs don't make a right argument.. you hunters don't exist on your kills alone do you? So it hardly gives you any moral high ground. The rest of us who eat meat and choose not to hunt are stuck having to buy that meat or go Vegan. I campaign for animal rights.. I vote accordingly and try my best to shop according to my views.. but until the rest of the UK follows suit.. I'm stuck. Humanity upsets me on many levels.. unfortunately the internet now makes it clearer how many sickosexist on this planet.. I thought we'd improve as time wore on.. seems we don't. Respect your views but that's the whole point, we don't have any right to tell someone else they are wrong because it differs from our own. That's in the same box as churchy joes ramming religion down people's throats. Again that's bollocks.. I have a right to tell you exactly what I think if you're taking a life without valid justification.. for sport. I'd expect someone to point out my faults if they upset enough of the population. Most of our population don't give a toss about god.. so it's a different kettle of fish entirely. If this were Saudi Arabia.. you may have a point. Freedom of speech brother and that's what makes this great nation great. People outside of fab might choose to call us disgusting, sleazy, disease ridden immoral people but hey that's just their opinion Exactly.. I'm practicing my freedom of speech right now.. people are allowed to think what they like and say it. We're all different.. but I'm the kind of person who vocalises my dislike of people I disagree with who practise barbarity and call it fun. Not just sit back and say.. oh well we all have opinions Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm, vocalise away bud Despite my views on hunters.. I can say that in South Africa.. big game hunting is preserving rare species and actually reintroducing and boosting wild populations of almost extinct animals.. the rarer the breed the more twats will pay to kill them. So animals don't die out. Sad state of affairs that these cunts are the last resort in protecting endange_ed species. Shows how we've utterly failed morally as a species ourselves." Finally... common ground I agree like I said earlier until we learn to treat each other better everything else in this world will be subject to these factors. I think the native Indians may have had it figu_ed out with their principles of nature. It's a shame how their culture is all but lost in the mighty US | |||
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"Comparing hunting to mass food production is a pointless exercise. Two wrongs don't make a right argument.. you hunters don't exist on your kills alone do you? So it hardly gives you any moral high ground. The rest of us who eat meat and choose not to hunt are stuck having to buy that meat or go Vegan. I campaign for animal rights.. I vote accordingly and try my best to shop according to my views.. but until the rest of the UK follows suit.. I'm stuck. Humanity upsets me on many levels.. unfortunately the internet now makes it clearer how many sickosexist on this planet.. I thought we'd improve as time wore on.. seems we don't. Respect your views but that's the whole point, we don't have any right to tell someone else they are wrong because it differs from our own. That's in the same box as churchy joes ramming religion down people's throats. Again that's bollocks.. I have a right to tell you exactly what I think if you're taking a life without valid justification.. for sport. I'd expect someone to point out my faults if they upset enough of the population. Most of our population don't give a toss about god.. so it's a different kettle of fish entirely. If this were Saudi Arabia.. you may have a point. Freedom of speech brother and that's what makes this great nation great. People outside of fab might choose to call us disgusting, sleazy, disease ridden immoral people but hey that's just their opinion Exactly.. I'm practicing my freedom of speech right now.. people are allowed to think what they like and say it. We're all different.. but I'm the kind of person who vocalises my dislike of people I disagree with who practise barbarity and call it fun. Not just sit back and say.. oh well we all have opinions Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm, vocalise away bud Despite my views on hunters.. I can say that in South Africa.. big game hunting is preserving rare species and actually reintroducing and boosting wild populations of almost extinct animals.. the rarer the breed the more twats will pay to kill them. So animals don't die out. Sad state of affairs that these cunts are the last resort in protecting endange_ed species. Shows how we've utterly failed morally as a species ourselves. Finally... common ground I agree like I said earlier until we learn to treat each other better everything else in this world will be subject to these factors. I think the native Indians may have had it figu_ed out with their principles of nature. It's a shame how their culture is all but lost in the mighty US" Again I am pro hunting if you are a society that REQUIRE to do so to survive. But that's ancient history. Very few societies live that way today.. it's hunting for fun I do not understand. All the elements can be applied to wildlife photography.. except the killing act itself. Pest control is an excuse.. very few cases REQUIRE a member of the public to take it upon him or herself to go get a gun. There are alternate methods.. they may be more expensive. In most cases.. it's really just the hunter attempting to justify their blood lust or culture. Spanish bullfighting and fox hunting for example. A fox doesn't need to be torn to sh_eds.. or shot.. it can be caught or tranqed. Far less painful, less chance of a foul shot.. and practised by professionals not killers who get a kick out of it. | |||
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" Genetic sterilisation.. now that's an answer.. provided it's safe to other natural grey populations.. but these days the grey is so established you'd be effecting many species who prey and are preyed upon by greys.. would _eds be able to make a quick enough comeback to replace the void.. probably not. So probably best for the environment to let the _ed die out naturally.. and learn the sad lesson." Sadly I think the _eds will lose this fight Hope not but we will see. There is a nature reserve in Scotland with _eds, they are working on keeping it established. It's location is secret and apparantly doing well. Fingers crossed | |||
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" Genetic sterilisation.. now that's an answer.. provided it's safe to other natural grey populations.. but these days the grey is so established you'd be effecting many species who prey and are preyed upon by greys.. would _eds be able to make a quick enough comeback to replace the void.. probably not. So probably best for the environment to let the _ed die out naturally.. and learn the sad lesson. Sadly I think the _eds will lose this fight Hope not but we will see. There is a nature reserve in Scotland with _eds, they are working on keeping it established. It's location is secret and apparantly doing well. Fingers crossed " I'd love to see a solution. But nature isn't kind. They are beautiful creatures to look at. But so is a grey. Unfortunately.. they made it to our shores. It's no threat to other species though.. unlike the cane toads in Australia that are causing problems to the whole environment. That kind of pest control is justified as it's throwing the entire ecosystem out of balance. | |||
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"Comparing hunting to mass food production is a pointless exercise. Two wrongs don't make a right argument.. you hunters don't exist on your kills alone do you? So it hardly gives you any moral high ground. The rest of us who eat meat and choose not to hunt are stuck having to buy that meat or go Vegan. I campaign for animal rights.. I vote accordingly and try my best to shop according to my views.. but until the rest of the UK follows suit.. I'm stuck. Humanity upsets me on many levels.. unfortunately the internet now makes it clearer how many sickosexist on this planet.. I thought we'd improve as time wore on.. seems we don't. Respect your views but that's the whole point, we don't have any right to tell someone else they are wrong because it differs from our own. That's in the same box as churchy joes ramming religion down people's throats. Again that's bollocks.. I have a right to tell you exactly what I think if you're taking a life without valid justification.. for sport. I'd expect someone to point out my faults if they upset enough of the population. Most of our population don't give a toss about god.. so it's a different kettle of fish entirely. If this were Saudi Arabia.. you may have a point. Freedom of speech brother and that's what makes this great nation great. People outside of fab might choose to call us disgusting, sleazy, disease ridden immoral people but hey that's just their opinion Exactly.. I'm practicing my freedom of speech right now.. people are allowed to think what they like and say it. We're all different.. but I'm the kind of person who vocalises my dislike of people I disagree with who practise barbarity and call it fun. Not just sit back and say.. oh well we all have opinions Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm, vocalise away bud Despite my views on hunters.. I can say that in South Africa.. big game hunting is preserving rare species and actually reintroducing and boosting wild populations of almost extinct animals.. the rarer the breed the more twats will pay to kill them. So animals don't die out. Sad state of affairs that these cunts are the last resort in protecting endange_ed species. Shows how we've utterly failed morally as a species ourselves. Finally... common ground I agree like I said earlier until we learn to treat each other better everything else in this world will be subject to these factors. I think the native Indians may have had it figu_ed out with their principles of nature. It's a shame how their culture is all but lost in the mighty US Again I am pro hunting if you are a society that REQUIRE to do so to survive. But that's ancient history. Very few societies live that way today.. it's hunting for fun I do not understand. All the elements can be applied to wildlife photography.. except the killing act itself. Pest control is an excuse.. very few cases REQUIRE a member of the public to take it upon him or herself to go get a gun. There are alternate methods.. they may be more expensive. In most cases.. it's really just the hunter attempting to justify their blood lust or culture. Spanish bullfighting and fox hunting for example. A fox doesn't need to be torn to sh_eds.. or shot.. it can be caught or tranqed. Far less painful, less chance of a foul shot.. and practised by professionals not killers who get a kick out of it." Let's be clear I'm not condoning chasing foxes with hounds and horses and maulig it to death. That's cruel and unnecessary However I know the reasons behind and why they need to be controlled. I know farmers who have lost tens of thousands of pounds of livestock due to fox incursions. If a fox gets into a pheasant or chicken pen, they kill everyone of them and only eat one. That is someones livelihood and when you need to take them out you should do it humanely. | |||
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"fed steroids i meant to say They aren't fed steroids. Its just the breed. " that are still man made freaks of nature fed lysine and whatever other shit to make em grow so quick, fuck all sunshine or excersise, hock burns on their legs through sitting in their own shit and piss. horrible it is...stinks to high heaven in those barns of shit piss and death..that's what folk would rather eat than good wild meat... modern people are weird | |||
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"fed steroids i meant to say They aren't fed steroids. Its just the breed. that are still man made freaks of nature fed lysine and whatever other shit to make em grow so quick, fuck all sunshine or excersise, hock burns on their legs through sitting in their own shit and piss. horrible it is...stinks to high heaven in those barns of shit piss and death..that's what folk would rather eat than good wild meat... modern people are weird" And how are you obtaining this "good wild meat" ? Careful on this thread Are you waiting until it dies of natural causes | |||
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" Genetic sterilisation.. now that's an answer.. provided it's safe to other natural grey populations.. but these days the grey is so established you'd be effecting many species who prey and are preyed upon by greys.. would _eds be able to make a quick enough comeback to replace the void.. probably not. So probably best for the environment to let the _ed die out naturally.. and learn the sad lesson. Sadly I think the _eds will lose this fight Hope not but we will see. There is a nature reserve in Scotland with _eds, they are working on keeping it established. It's location is secret and apparantly doing well. Fingers crossed " the isle of wight too...loads of _eds, no greys yet | |||
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"fed steroids i meant to say They aren't fed steroids. Its just the breed. that are still man made freaks of nature fed lysine and whatever other shit to make em grow so quick, fuck all sunshine or excersise, hock burns on their legs through sitting in their own shit and piss. horrible it is...stinks to high heaven in those barns of shit piss and death..that's what folk would rather eat than good wild meat... modern people are weird And how are you obtaining this "good wild meat" ? Careful on this thread Are you waiting until it dies of natural causes " nope, i shoot it. or get real up close and personal when i ferret rabbits and i break their necks with my bare hands quick and personal | |||
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"Comparing hunting to mass food production is a pointless exercise. Two wrongs don't make a right argument.. you hunters don't exist on your kills alone do you? So it hardly gives you any moral high ground. The rest of us who eat meat and choose not to hunt are stuck having to buy that meat or go Vegan. I campaign for animal rights.. I vote accordingly and try my best to shop according to my views.. but until the rest of the UK follows suit.. I'm stuck. Humanity upsets me on many levels.. unfortunately the internet now makes it clearer how many sickosexist on this planet.. I thought we'd improve as time wore on.. seems we don't. Respect your views but that's the whole point, we don't have any right to tell someone else they are wrong because it differs from our own. That's in the same box as churchy joes ramming religion down people's throats. Again that's bollocks.. I have a right to tell you exactly what I think if you're taking a life without valid justification.. for sport. I'd expect someone to point out my faults if they upset enough of the population. Most of our population don't give a toss about god.. so it's a different kettle of fish entirely. If this were Saudi Arabia.. you may have a point. Freedom of speech brother and that's what makes this great nation great. People outside of fab might choose to call us disgusting, sleazy, disease ridden immoral people but hey that's just their opinion Exactly.. I'm practicing my freedom of speech right now.. people are allowed to think what they like and say it. We're all different.. but I'm the kind of person who vocalises my dislike of people I disagree with who practise barbarity and call it fun. Not just sit back and say.. oh well we all have opinions Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm, vocalise away bud Despite my views on hunters.. I can say that in South Africa.. big game hunting is preserving rare species and actually reintroducing and boosting wild populations of almost extinct animals.. the rarer the breed the more twats will pay to kill them. So animals don't die out. Sad state of affairs that these cunts are the last resort in protecting endange_ed species. Shows how we've utterly failed morally as a species ourselves. Finally... common ground I agree like I said earlier until we learn to treat each other better everything else in this world will be subject to these factors. I think the native Indians may have had it figu_ed out with their principles of nature. It's a shame how their culture is all but lost in the mighty US Again I am pro hunting if you are a society that REQUIRE to do so to survive. But that's ancient history. Very few societies live that way today.. it's hunting for fun I do not understand. All the elements can be applied to wildlife photography.. except the killing act itself. Pest control is an excuse.. very few cases REQUIRE a member of the public to take it upon him or herself to go get a gun. There are alternate methods.. they may be more expensive. In most cases.. it's really just the hunter attempting to justify their blood lust or culture. Spanish bullfighting and fox hunting for example. A fox doesn't need to be torn to sh_eds.. or shot.. it can be caught or tranqed. Far less painful, less chance of a foul shot.. and practised by professionals not killers who get a kick out of it. Let's be clear I'm not condoning chasing foxes with hounds and horses and maulig it to death. That's cruel and unnecessary However I know the reasons behind and why they need to be controlled. I know farmers who have lost tens of thousands of pounds of livestock due to fox incursions. If a fox gets into a pheasant or chicken pen, they kill everyone of them and only eat one. That is someones livelihood and when you need to take them out you should do it humanely. " So use a trap to release it elsewhere in the wild or if it has to be killed.. I'd prefer it was a taxable industry than amateur sport. At least those of us who disagree could have the tax revenue spent on conservation in other areas. | |||
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"fed steroids i meant to say They aren't fed steroids. Its just the breed. that are still man made freaks of nature fed lysine and whatever other shit to make em grow so quick, fuck all sunshine or excersise, hock burns on their legs through sitting in their own shit and piss. horrible it is...stinks to high heaven in those barns of shit piss and death..that's what folk would rather eat than good wild meat... modern people are weird" Use your head. There isn't enough space to provide the meat we need for all of us to hunt. Modern people are wierd.. but SOS that line of reasoning. Does all your meat come from legal hunting? If we all did that.. would their be any of that meat left in a months time.. so silly point. | |||
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" Let's be clear I'm not condoning chasing foxes with hounds and horses and maulig it to death. That's cruel and unnecessary However I know the reasons behind and why they need to be controlled. I know farmers who have lost tens of thousands of pounds of livestock due to fox incursions. If a fox gets into a pheasant or chicken pen, they kill everyone of them and only eat one. That is someones livelihood and when you need to take them out you should do it humanely. " Exactly were I sit. I don't agree with 'fox hunting' pack of hounds n horses I don't think a farmer would thank me for shooting fox my camera and giving him the photo! As for 'Joe public' and professional shooters.... Joe public doesn't get an FAC 'just like that' Nearly all new applications need a mentoring period. We do respect what we do, are responsible and professional. | |||
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" Let's be clear I'm not condoning chasing foxes with hounds and horses and maulig it to death. That's cruel and unnecessary However I know the reasons behind and why they need to be controlled. I know farmers who have lost tens of thousands of pounds of livestock due to fox incursions. If a fox gets into a pheasant or chicken pen, they kill everyone of them and only eat one. That is someones livelihood and when you need to take them out you should do it humanely. Exactly were I sit. I don't agree with 'fox hunting' pack of hounds n horses I don't think a farmer would thank me for shooting fox my camera and giving him the photo! As for 'Joe public' and professional shooters.... Joe public doesn't get an FAC 'just like that' Nearly all new applications need a mentoring period. We do respect what we do, are responsible and professional. " | |||
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" Let's be clear I'm not condoning chasing foxes with hounds and horses and maulig it to death. That's cruel and unnecessary However I know the reasons behind and why they need to be controlled. I know farmers who have lost tens of thousands of pounds of livestock due to fox incursions. If a fox gets into a pheasant or chicken pen, they kill everyone of them and only eat one. That is someones livelihood and when you need to take them out you should do it humanely. Exactly were I sit. I don't agree with 'fox hunting' pack of hounds n horses I don't think a farmer would thank me for shooting fox my camera and giving him the photo! As for 'Joe public' and professional shooters.... Joe public doesn't get an FAC 'just like that' Nearly all new applications need a mentoring period. We do respect what we do, are responsible and professional. " Not all of you are, you may be.. most I know personally aren't.. though they throw tgat argument in my face.. most practice hunting illegally. Shooting species you're not allowed. A guy I know shot his neighbours cat. | |||
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" Let's be clear I'm not condoning chasing foxes with hounds and horses and maulig it to death. That's cruel and unnecessary However I know the reasons behind and why they need to be controlled. I know farmers who have lost tens of thousands of pounds of livestock due to fox incursions. If a fox gets into a pheasant or chicken pen, they kill everyone of them and only eat one. That is someones livelihood and when you need to take them out you should do it humanely. Exactly were I sit. I don't agree with 'fox hunting' pack of hounds n horses I don't think a farmer would thank me for shooting fox my camera and giving him the photo! As for 'Joe public' and professional shooters.... Joe public doesn't get an FAC 'just like that' Nearly all new applications need a mentoring period. We do respect what we do, are responsible and professional. " I've reported some things I witness and not a lot gets done.. Unfortunately a lot of the people responsible for monitoring it are of the same mentality as those who practice it. Money talks. | |||
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" So use a trap to release it elsewhere in the wild or if it has to be killed.. I'd prefer it was a taxable industry than amateur sport. At least those of us who disagree could have the tax revenue spent on conservation in other areas." Oh no.... hoping we didn't get here, we're both adults and I value our exchanges, without falling out. Hope this doesn't but you're not going to like this...... It has always been well known that it is illegal to catch an animal classed as 'vermin' and then release it. It must be killed. Quote from gov.uk site "It’s an offence to keep or release some wild animals, eg grey squirrels - you must kill them humanely if you catch them alive." | |||
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"fed steroids i meant to say They aren't fed steroids. Its just the breed. that are still man made freaks of nature fed lysine and whatever other shit to make em grow so quick, fuck all sunshine or excersise, hock burns on their legs through sitting in their own shit and piss. horrible it is...stinks to high heaven in those barns of shit piss and death..that's what folk would rather eat than good wild meat... modern people are weird Use your head. There isn't enough space to provide the meat we need for all of us to hunt. Modern people are wierd.. but SOS that line of reasoning. Does all your meat come from legal hunting? If we all did that.. would their be any of that meat left in a months time.. so silly point." alot of it does yaeh, i have a chest freezer chock full of game and rabbits and stuff grown at home etc..i try and fill as much up on proper food as i can over the shop bought weirdness. my point was though not that everyone should get there food from nature, but that they'll happily eat ill farmed badly treat mass produced annimals but wouldn't kill something themselves. of course it's un wokable to feed the whole planet that way but why not to even think of supplementing their diets with something nice i'll never understand. this extends to fruit and stuff too..there's s a cycle track runs behind the asda here, blackberries, raspberries cherries mushrooms and damsons all grow there (at least!)...yet no bugger picks them and yet they sell in asda, and folk buy them. i find it so utterly weird you'd buy something when at times, there's a better, chemical free version to be had just 100 yards away that will cost you nothing...watch one less telly programme and go pick some food! i've llways been the same, always wonde_ed why people don't help themselves to a little of natures bounty...all sat there going to waste while the shops are doing so well. for those who eat meat, annimals are part of that bounty. i'm not saying go full ray mears, but why not go and take just a little? a brace of rabbits here, a pigeon there..it's beautiful, clean, well lived meat and pretty much free | |||
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"Soon all our meat will come from genetic engineering labs.. a moral argument of its own.. the fields will change to fields of human pleasure or more concrete jungle anyway. It's inevitable. Space, population growth and consumption make it impossible to otherwise. Then the animal welfare argument will be null and void.. but you'll still have hunters who kill for pleasure.. again people who I cannot see eye to eye with and will stop at any opportunity or method I can use that's legal to do so. Interference.. reporting or campaigning." Is it kosher ? | |||
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" As for 'Joe public' and professional shooters.... Joe public doesn't get an FAC 'just like that' Nearly all new applications need a mentoring period. We do respect what we do, are responsible and professional. I've reported some things I witness and not a lot gets done.. Unfortunately a lot of the people responsible for monitoring it are of the same mentality as those who practice it. Money talks." I can honestly say, I don't know any other person, activity shooting, with FAC and shooting permissions, to be irresponsible. Worked too hard to gain trust, license, time and everything to throw it all away, not to mention huge fine..... big part of my satisfaction is seeing the many wonderful wild animals I don't shoot, but an privileged to watch them not realising I'm hiding there. Yes we hear the horrific stories of swans getting shot with crossbows but these are the kids that throw brick off m-way bridges, as cars pass under. Nothing to do with hunting or legal shooting people | |||
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"fed steroids i meant to say They aren't fed steroids. Its just the breed. that are still man made freaks of nature fed lysine and whatever other shit to make em grow so quick, fuck all sunshine or excersise, hock burns on their legs through sitting in their own shit and piss. horrible it is...stinks to high heaven in those barns of shit piss and death..that's what folk would rather eat than good wild meat... modern people are weird Use your head. There isn't enough space to provide the meat we need for all of us to hunt. Modern people are wierd.. but SOS that line of reasoning. Does all your meat come from legal hunting? If we all did that.. would their be any of that meat left in a months time.. so silly point. alot of it does yaeh, i have a chest freezer chock full of game and rabbits and stuff grown at home etc..i try and fill as much up on proper food as i can over the shop bought weirdness. my point was though not that everyone should get there food from nature, but that they'll happily eat ill farmed badly treat mass produced annimals but wouldn't kill something themselves. of course it's un wokable to feed the whole planet that way but why not to even think of supplementing their diets with something nice i'll never understand. this extends to fruit and stuff too..there's s a cycle track runs behind the asda here, blackberries, raspberries cherries mushrooms and damsons all grow there (at least!)...yet no bugger picks them and yet they sell in asda, and folk buy them. i find it so utterly weird you'd buy something when at times, there's a better, chemical free version to be had just 100 yards away that will cost you nothing...watch one less telly programme and go pick some food! i've llways been the same, always wonde_ed why people don't help themselves to a little of natures bounty...all sat there going to waste while the shops are doing so well. for those who eat meat, annimals are part of that bounty. i'm not saying go full ray mears, but why not go and take just a little? a brace of rabbits here, a pigeon there..it's beautiful, clean, well lived meat and pretty much free " Absolutely! People these days seem to think food only comes from the supermarket. People have forgotten how to grow stuff, how to forage and how to keep animals to provide food rather than just as pets. It reminds me somewhat of a friend who's son was asked at nursery where eggs come from and he replied Tesco | |||
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" As for 'Joe public' and professional shooters.... Joe public doesn't get an FAC 'just like that' Nearly all new applications need a mentoring period. We do respect what we do, are responsible and professional. Like I said.. I know of individuals who do. It doesn't mean the majority do I agree.. but it happens more than you'd care to admit. Men with FAC.. and video proof doesn't always yield the punishments you'd hope it would I've reported some things I witness and not a lot gets done.. Unfortunately a lot of the people responsible for monitoring it are of the same mentality as those who practice it. Money talks. I can honestly say, I don't know any other person, activity shooting, with FAC and shooting permissions, to be irresponsible. Worked too hard to gain trust, license, time and everything to throw it all away, not to mention huge fine..... big part of my satisfaction is seeing the many wonderful wild animals I don't shoot, but an privileged to watch them not realising I'm hiding there. Yes we hear the horrific stories of swans getting shot with crossbows but these are the kids that throw brick off m-way bridges, as cars pass under. Nothing to do with hunting or legal shooting people " | |||
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" As for 'Joe public' and professional shooters.... Joe public doesn't get an FAC 'just like that' Nearly all new applications need a mentoring period. We do respect what we do, are responsible and professional. Like I said.. I know of individuals who do. It doesn't mean the majority do I agree.. but it happens more than you'd care to admit. Men with FAC.. and video proof doesn't always yield the punishments you'd hope it would I've reported some things I witness and not a lot gets done.. Unfortunately a lot of the people responsible for monitoring it are of the same mentality as those who practice it. Money talks. I can honestly say, I don't know any other person, activity shooting, with FAC and shooting permissions, to be irresponsible. Worked too hard to gain trust, license, time and everything to throw it all away, not to mention huge fine..... big part of my satisfaction is seeing the many wonderful wild animals I don't shoot, but an privileged to watch them not realising I'm hiding there. Yes we hear the horrific stories of swans getting shot with crossbows but these are the kids that throw brick off m-way bridges, as cars pass under. Nothing to do with hunting or legal shooting people " Fucked that Last post up.. my response is jumbled in the Middle somewhere.. I know individuals with GAV who should be locked up. | |||
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"I had no idea that Fab had so many morally superior vegans as members. Well, that or they're hypocritical lefties who just don't quite understand. MrWho." I had no idea fab had so many morally superior people who love to kill things. Well that or theyre hypocritical righties who dont quite understand.. | |||
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" I know individuals with GAV who should be locked up. I take it you mean FAC... of GAV from Autoglass, filling someone's crack in! " Lmfao! Whoops.. ok I'll own that mistake. And on a high note.. bow out disgracefully. And continue to confront hunters offline and ruin their efforts in a far more productive manner. | |||
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"I had no idea that Fab had so many morally superior vegans as members. Well, that or they're hypocritical lefties who just don't quite understand. MrWho. I had no idea fab had so many morally superior people who love to kill things. Well that or theyre hypocritical righties who dont quite understand.." You a vegan then? | |||
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"I had no idea that Fab had so many morally superior vegans as members. Well, that or they're hypocritical lefties who just don't quite understand. MrWho. I had no idea fab had so many morally superior people who love to kill things. Well that or theyre hypocritical righties who dont quite understand.. You a vegan then?" Nope. But you've joined in late.. we've cove_ed that point and I'm pretty sure I've cove_ed that base pretty well. If you're interested, feel free to read back to make sure you're not bringing up something I can squirm out of. Love a bacon butty, love a halal kebab, love eggs and fish.. infant I'm more carnivore.. I hate veg. But I have an issue with amateur hunters killing because they enjoy killing. That's the crux of MY argument. But I'm not going through it all again. | |||
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" So you just enjoy the killing aspect? Sort of..... But it's a lot more than that. There are many more facets to hunting, some will just never get, I can't put it in all in to words either but will try.... I enjoy hunting, conservation, the animals I shoot are classified as vermin! In our garden, it's full of Robins, blackbirds, we have a family of wagtails, sparrows, spotted woodpecker has a nest in the apple tree (20 yards from the back of house which I've filmed making the hole, from bathroom window. We have swallows, finches, a wren that comes everyday, for a crumbled digestive. The wildlife birds are thriving and I love to see them and encourage them to the safety of our garden. Magpie will get shot though, I shoot about 10 a year, and every year, a new lot move in but not for long. They're not welcome! Magpies attack nests, they're after the eggs, they attack new born birds too and bully them. Why we have so many songbirds instead. Yes it's nature but I'm part of nature too and I shoot them. We still have lots of magpies btw, I can get my binoculars now and see about 15. They just seem to know, this space is too dangerous.... that's fine. As for shooting pigeons and other stuff on farmland. The farmers want their crops / chickens / lands protected. I get permission to walk around hund_eds of acres of beautiful countryside, in return I shoot vermin and control numbers. If I didn't, there's always plenty that will. It's the countryside, it's what we all do, always have and future generations will naturally do. On a summers day, with nothing to do, I can go to several places and set up. Relax for many hours enjoying the beautiful views, sometimes I don't get to shoot anything, good days I still don't shoot a vast amount but I get to see so much more.....watching the hares box and come within a few feet of me, the buzzard feeding, later on I'll see it bring its babies to a shot bird and teach them what to do! I take some bread and feed the ducks, swans and a family of field mice that have now got use to me taking food and have some cracking photos of them holding crumbs of bread with their hands and eating it. Love taking photos of sunsets too, while waiting for a fox, especially they've been killing young lambs. Shooting is a skill too, yes you may walk of a factory estate, or shopping centre and walk amongst magpies, thinking it's easy. They're hopping on the verge, only a few feet away! You try getting near one in the country, with a rifle in hand. Can take hours, patience and skill to outwit the next target, get it to land close enough, for a confident, clean and humane safe shot, that'll kill instantly and not suffer. Pigeons are flying rats, carry all sorts of disease and the hund_eds round here eat lots of farmers crops Foxes kill newborn lambs, ducks and chickens, also spread disease, most have mange. Squirrels, many parts of the country, there is a campaign on to get rid of grey squirrels and hope the _ed ones may return. I can't see it happening, the grey ones are here to stay but it'd be nice to get _ed ones back again. Looking at the numbers, I don't get to shoot lots each year, ones I do, well for them it's wrong place, wrong time. But get see so much more and enjoy. Yeah, I can I say love it. " Thankyou for explaining | |||
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"fed steroids i meant to say They aren't fed steroids. Its just the breed. that are still man made freaks of nature fed lysine and whatever other shit to make em grow so quick, fuck all sunshine or excersise, hock burns on their legs through sitting in their own shit and piss. horrible it is...stinks to high heaven in those barns of shit piss and death..that's what folk would rather eat than good wild meat... modern people are weird Use your head. There isn't enough space to provide the meat we need for all of us to hunt. Modern people are wierd.. but SOS that line of reasoning. Does all your meat come from legal hunting? If we all did that.. would their be any of that meat left in a months time.. so silly point. alot of it does yaeh, i have a chest freezer chock full of game and rabbits and stuff grown at home etc..i try and fill as much up on proper food as i can over the shop bought weirdness. my point was though not that everyone should get there food from nature, but that they'll happily eat ill farmed badly treat mass produced annimals but wouldn't kill something themselves. of course it's un wokable to feed the whole planet that way but why not to even think of supplementing their diets with something nice i'll never understand. this extends to fruit and stuff too..there's s a cycle track runs behind the asda here, blackberries, raspberries cherries mushrooms and damsons all grow there (at least!)...yet no bugger picks them and yet they sell in asda, and folk buy them. i find it so utterly weird you'd buy something when at times, there's a better, chemical free version to be had just 100 yards away that will cost you nothing...watch one less telly programme and go pick some food! i've llways been the same, always wonde_ed why people don't help themselves to a little of natures bounty...all sat there going to waste while the shops are doing so well. for those who eat meat, annimals are part of that bounty. i'm not saying go full ray mears, but why not go and take just a little? a brace of rabbits here, a pigeon there..it's beautiful, clean, well lived meat and pretty much free " Because there isn't enough to go around. Not even if 5% of us got off our arses and did it. There'd be nothing left. River cottage has proved that.. that fortunate rich tosser goes food scavenging.. the next thing you know.. the new Forrest is all out of shrooms the following week. I prefer to see nature as it is, not a barren wasteland. So as much as I'd love to tuck into a wild boar spitroast or a forraged BlackBerry pie.. I choose to buy what is sustainable as best as my knowledge will let me. You see things differently it seems. As long as you're ok and well fed.. screw everyone else right? You may not view it that way..and it might not reflect your personality.. but that's the attitude that's coming across. Nature can't provide.. not to all of us.. so the rest of us have to make do as best we can and try to buy as ethically as our wallets allow.. those of us who care.. unfortunately I don't own river cottage.. I'm an HGV driver so I end up eating a lot of stuff I'd prefer had been raised or slaughte_ed in a kinder way. But I'm a victim of the society I'm trapped in. I appreciate others don't see things the same way I do. But again.. it's the killing for fun most people who've bothe_ed to voice their anger about. I accept there are brutal methods of housing and dispatching animals in foodstocks.i don't accept someone should be allowed to take a life and enjoy the process.. mount the head on a wall or stuff it... or kill it to eat it.. when the rest of us can't.. because there'd be nothing left. What makes you so special that you don't have to do what the rest of us do? Because you're lucky enough to have access to land and live in a country where most of us understand that hunting for those reasons.. isn't right or fair. | |||
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"fed steroids i meant to say They aren't fed steroids. Its just the breed. that are still man made freaks of nature fed lysine and whatever other shit to make em grow so quick, fuck all sunshine or excersise, hock burns on their legs through sitting in their own shit and piss. horrible it is...stinks to high heaven in those barns of shit piss and death..that's what folk would rather eat than good wild meat... modern people are weird Use your head. There isn't enough space to provide the meat we need for all of us to hunt. Modern people are wierd.. but SOS that line of reasoning. Does all your meat come from legal hunting? If we all did that.. would their be any of that meat left in a months time.. so silly point. alot of it does yaeh, i have a chest freezer chock full of game and rabbits and stuff grown at home etc..i try and fill as much up on proper food as i can over the shop bought weirdness. my point was though not that everyone should get there food from nature, but that they'll happily eat ill farmed badly treat mass produced annimals but wouldn't kill something themselves. of course it's un wokable to feed the whole planet that way but why not to even think of supplementing their diets with something nice i'll never understand. this extends to fruit and stuff too..there's s a cycle track runs behind the asda here, blackberries, raspberries cherries mushrooms and damsons all grow there (at least!)...yet no bugger picks them and yet they sell in asda, and folk buy them. i find it so utterly weird you'd buy something when at times, there's a better, chemical free version to be had just 100 yards away that will cost you nothing...watch one less telly programme and go pick some food! i've llways been the same, always wonde_ed why people don't help themselves to a little of natures bounty...all sat there going to waste while the shops are doing so well. for those who eat meat, annimals are part of that bounty. i'm not saying go full ray mears, but why not go and take just a little? a brace of rabbits here, a pigeon there..it's beautiful, clean, well lived meat and pretty much free Because there isn't enough to go around. Not even if 5% of us got off our arses and did it. There'd be nothing left. River cottage has proved that.. that fortunate rich tosser goes food scavenging.. the next thing you know.. the new Forrest is all out of shrooms the following week. I prefer to see nature as it is, not a barren wasteland. So as much as I'd love to tuck into a wild boar spitroast or a forraged BlackBerry pie.. I choose to buy what is sustainable as best as my knowledge will let me. You see things differently it seems. As long as you're ok and well fed.. screw everyone else right? You may not view it that way..and it might not reflect your personality.. but that's the attitude that's coming across. Nature can't provide.. not to all of us.. so the rest of us have to make do as best we can and try to buy as ethically as our wallets allow.. those of us who care.. unfortunately I don't own river cottage.. I'm an HGV driver so I end up eating a lot of stuff I'd prefer had been raised or slaughte_ed in a kinder way. But I'm a victim of the society I'm trapped in. I appreciate others don't see things the same way I do. But again.. it's the killing for fun most people who've bothe_ed to voice their anger about. I accept there are brutal methods of housing and dispatching animals in foodstocks.i don't accept someone should be allowed to take a life and enjoy the process.. mount the head on a wall or stuff it... or kill it to eat it.. when the rest of us can't.. because there'd be nothing left. What makes you so special that you don't have to do what the rest of us do? Because you're lucky enough to have access to land and live in a country where most of us understand that hunting for those reasons.. isn't right or fair." | |||
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"I had no idea that Fab had so many morally superior vegans as members. Well, that or they're hypocritical lefties who just don't quite understand. MrWho. I had no idea fab had so many morally superior people who love to kill things. Well that or theyre hypocritical righties who dont quite understand.. You a vegan then? Nope. But you've joined in late.. we've cove_ed that point and I'm pretty sure I've cove_ed that base pretty well. If you're interested, feel free to read back to make sure you're not bringing up something I can squirm out of. Love a bacon butty, love a halal kebab, love eggs and fish.. infant I'm more carnivore.. I hate veg. But I have an issue with amateur hunters killing because they enjoy killing. That's the crux of MY argument. But I'm not going through it all again." best left for people who hate killing to do it for you then? i'd rather take an annimal cleanly from it's natural environment.than one that's been mass farmed and had the most basic of lives then hung, electrocuted and cut in order to die. i do take more pleasure knowing my dinner didn't go through that...if it means you don't have to do it though it must be more ok | |||
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"fed steroids i meant to say They aren't fed steroids. Its just the breed. that are still man made freaks of nature fed lysine and whatever other shit to make em grow so quick, fuck all sunshine or excersise, hock burns on their legs through sitting in their own shit and piss. horrible it is...stinks to high heaven in those barns of shit piss and death..that's what folk would rather eat than good wild meat... modern people are weird Use your head. There isn't enough space to provide the meat we need for all of us to hunt. Modern people are wierd.. but SOS that line of reasoning. Does all your meat come from legal hunting? If we all did that.. would their be any of that meat left in a months time.. so silly point. alot of it does yaeh, i have a chest freezer chock full of game and rabbits and stuff grown at home etc..i try and fill as much up on proper food as i can over the shop bought weirdness. my point was though not that everyone should get there food from nature, but that they'll happily eat ill farmed badly treat mass produced annimals but wouldn't kill something themselves. of course it's un wokable to feed the whole planet that way but why not to even think of supplementing their diets with something nice i'll never understand. this extends to fruit and stuff too..there's s a cycle track runs behind the asda here, blackberries, raspberries cherries mushrooms and damsons all grow there (at least!)...yet no bugger picks them and yet they sell in asda, and folk buy them. i find it so utterly weird you'd buy something when at times, there's a better, chemical free version to be had just 100 yards away that will cost you nothing...watch one less telly programme and go pick some food! i've llways been the same, always wonde_ed why people don't help themselves to a little of natures bounty...all sat there going to waste while the shops are doing so well. for those who eat meat, annimals are part of that bounty. i'm not saying go full ray mears, but why not go and take just a little? a brace of rabbits here, a pigeon there..it's beautiful, clean, well lived meat and pretty much free Because there isn't enough to go around. Not even if 5% of us got off our arses and did it. There'd be nothing left. River cottage has proved that.. that fortunate rich tosser goes food scavenging.. the next thing you know.. the new Forrest is all out of shrooms the following week. I prefer to see nature as it is, not a barren wasteland. So as much as I'd love to tuck into a wild boar spitroast or a forraged BlackBerry pie.. I choose to buy what is sustainable as best as my knowledge will let me. You see things differently it seems. As long as you're ok and well fed.. screw everyone else right? You may not view it that way..and it might not reflect your personality.. but that's the attitude that's coming across. Nature can't provide.. not to all of us.. so the rest of us have to make do as best we can and try to buy as ethically as our wallets allow.. those of us who care.. unfortunately I don't own river cottage.. I'm an HGV driver so I end up eating a lot of stuff I'd prefer had been raised or slaughte_ed in a kinder way. But I'm a victim of the society I'm trapped in. I appreciate others don't see things the same way I do. But again.. it's the killing for fun most people who've bothe_ed to voice their anger about. I accept there are brutal methods of housing and dispatching animals in foodstocks.i don't accept someone should be allowed to take a life and enjoy the process.. mount the head on a wall or stuff it... or kill it to eat it.. when the rest of us can't.. because there'd be nothing left. What makes you so special that you don't have to do what the rest of us do? Because you're lucky enough to have access to land and live in a country where most of us understand that hunting for those reasons.. isn't right or fair." so everyone should buy into the mass produced meat market, upping the number of annimals in shit conditions just because other people aren't able to? maybe we shouldn't buy cars because others can't afford to? or not grow veg because other people have no gardens? no...i'm calling nonesense on that one if you can eat naturally, do...much better for you and for your food | |||
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"fed steroids i meant to say They aren't fed steroids. Its just the breed. that are still man made freaks of nature fed lysine and whatever other shit to make em grow so quick, fuck all sunshine or excersise, hock burns on their legs through sitting in their own shit and piss. horrible it is...stinks to high heaven in those barns of shit piss and death..that's what folk would rather eat than good wild meat... modern people are weird Use your head. There isn't enough space to provide the meat we need for all of us to hunt. Modern people are wierd.. but SOS that line of reasoning. Does all your meat come from legal hunting? If we all did that.. would their be any of that meat left in a months time.. so silly point. alot of it does yaeh, i have a chest freezer chock full of game and rabbits and stuff grown at home etc..i try and fill as much up on proper food as i can over the shop bought weirdness. my point was though not that everyone should get there food from nature, but that they'll happily eat ill farmed badly treat mass produced annimals but wouldn't kill something themselves. of course it's un wokable to feed the whole planet that way but why not to even think of supplementing their diets with something nice i'll never understand. this extends to fruit and stuff too..there's s a cycle track runs behind the asda here, blackberries, raspberries cherries mushrooms and damsons all grow there (at least!)...yet no bugger picks them and yet they sell in asda, and folk buy them. i find it so utterly weird you'd buy something when at times, there's a better, chemical free version to be had just 100 yards away that will cost you nothing...watch one less telly programme and go pick some food! i've llways been the same, always wonde_ed why people don't help themselves to a little of natures bounty...all sat there going to waste while the shops are doing so well. for those who eat meat, annimals are part of that bounty. i'm not saying go full ray mears, but why not go and take just a little? a brace of rabbits here, a pigeon there..it's beautiful, clean, well lived meat and pretty much free Because there isn't enough to go around. Not even if 5% of us got off our arses and did it. There'd be nothing left. River cottage has proved that.. that fortunate rich tosser goes food scavenging.. the next thing you know.. the new Forrest is all out of shrooms the following week. I prefer to see nature as it is, not a barren wasteland. So as much as I'd love to tuck into a wild boar spitroast or a forraged BlackBerry pie.. I choose to buy what is sustainable as best as my knowledge will let me. You see things differently it seems. As long as you're ok and well fed.. screw everyone else right? You may not view it that way..and it might not reflect your personality.. but that's the attitude that's coming across. Nature can't provide.. not to all of us.. so the rest of us have to make do as best we can and try to buy as ethically as our wallets allow.. those of us who care.. unfortunately I don't own river cottage.. I'm an HGV driver so I end up eating a lot of stuff I'd prefer had been raised or slaughte_ed in a kinder way. But I'm a victim of the society I'm trapped in. I appreciate others don't see things the same way I do. But again.. it's the killing for fun most people who've bothe_ed to voice their anger about. I accept there are brutal methods of housing and dispatching animals in foodstocks.i don't accept someone should be allowed to take a life and enjoy the process.. mount the head on a wall or stuff it... or kill it to eat it.. when the rest of us can't.. because there'd be nothing left. What makes you so special that you don't have to do what the rest of us do? Because you're lucky enough to have access to land and live in a country where most of us understand that hunting for those reasons.. isn't right or fair. so everyone should buy into the mass produced meat market, upping the number of annimals in shit conditions just because other people aren't able to? maybe we shouldn't buy cars because others can't afford to? or not grow veg because other people have no gardens? no...i'm calling nonesense on that one if you can eat naturally, do...much better for you and for your food " Each to their own on that topic I guess. If you eat what you kill and aren't killing for pleasure and you (or youre combined number of likeminded people) arent impacting the environment. Then I have no qualms. The second you are.. I do. You kill for fun.. I do. Other than that. We're golden. | |||
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