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By *arteene OP Woman
over a year ago
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There have been so many threats on this site asking to split up the above topic which I agree with but I don't think is going to happen . So for the time being why don't we use the initials next to our user name . I know this will not help with the search or will it . At least then who does Search will see by our name the gender we are . making it easier I suppose what do you think |
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I fully agree that ideally the categories should be separated......
But until, if ever, that happens, I seen no issue that cant be solved by each individual making the effort to clearly define how they wish to be perceived in the bio section of their profile....  |
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By *arteene OP Woman
over a year ago
aylesbury |
"I fully agree that ideally the categories should be separated......
But until, if ever, that happens, I seen no issue that cant be solved by each individual making the effort to clearly define how they wish to be perceived in the bio section of their profile.... "
Yes true but you know what it's like some people don't even read that part x |
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"I fully agree that ideally the categories should be separated......
But until, if ever, that happens, I seen no issue that cant be solved by each individual making the effort to clearly define how they wish to be perceived in the bio section of their profile....
Yes true but you know what it's like some people don't even read that part x"
Yes but in reality those people probably wont take any notice of a prefix or suffix attached to a user name....
I'm a great believer that we can only take responsibility for what we write on our own profile.....
How others interoperate that information is not something we can control  |
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By *arteene OP Woman
over a year ago
aylesbury |
"I fully agree that ideally the categories should be separated......
But until, if ever, that happens, I seen no issue that cant be solved by each individual making the effort to clearly define how they wish to be perceived in the bio section of their profile....
Yes true but you know what it's like some people don't even read that part x
Yes but in reality those people probably wont take any notice of a prefix or suffix attached to a user name....
I'm a great believer that we can only take responsibility for what we write on our own profile.....
How others interoperate that information is not something we can control "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There's plenty of other sites that split them, and never really come across any issues.
Fab just seems stuck in the dark ages with it.
I think having people who are transitioning having to use the same title as a crossdresser is pathetic.
Even the sexual orientation options are lacking, again plenty of other sites have much more options and it works perfectly. |
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By *arteene OP Woman
over a year ago
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"There's plenty of other sites that split them, and never really come across any issues.
Fab just seems stuck in the dark ages with it.
I think having people who are transitioning having to use the same title as a crossdresser is pathetic.
Even the sexual orientation options are lacking, again plenty of other sites have much more options and it works perfectly. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Fabswingers is wise in leaving things as they are...
Do we really need mythical Trans heirarchies founded on theories, whims and fancies...
As said before its just confusion |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There's plenty of other sites that split them, and never really come across any issues.
Fab just seems stuck in the dark ages with it.
I think having people who are transitioning having to use the same title as a crossdresser is pathetic.
Even the sexual orientation options are lacking, again plenty of other sites have much more options and it works perfectly. "
If it's important put it in the profile text. If people don't read it they don't care, so don't meet them.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There's plenty of other sites that split them, and never really come across any issues.
Fab just seems stuck in the dark ages with it.
I think having people who are transitioning having to use the same title as a crossdresser is pathetic.
Even the sexual orientation options are lacking, again plenty of other sites have much more options and it works perfectly.
If it's important put it in the profile text. If people don't read it they don't care, so don't meet them. "
So let's just scrap gay and bi being separate options and just put them together and let people state it in their profile? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So let's just scrap gay and bi being separate options and just put them together and let people state it in their profile?"
In all my years on this site I've never heard anyone suggest confusion exists between gay an bi....  |
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Just let people do their own identification and everyone to communicate prior to meets. People aren't static nor does everyone want to be highly visible or have the public know very intimate details about them, unless at an individual level of their choice. |
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So let's just scrap gay and bi being separate options and just put them together and let people state it in their profile?
Thats bisexual erasure"
Gender transitioning and gender issues overall are a different beast to sexual orientation. it's highly intimate to reveal publicly, for example, what one is doing with one's identity and body. It's also an area that has incredible levels of mental health issues - as such, a system that forces public disclosure upon someone who may be under duress or wishing to retain privacy over an aspect of their life that cis gendered people don't have to contend with, could be viewed as discriminatory, avoidable and likely to cause unreasonable levels of duress for this group.
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"Just let people do their own identification and everyone to communicate prior to meets. People aren't static nor does everyone want to be highly visible or have the public know very intimate details about them, unless at an individual level of their choice. "
But every transgender person I've spoken to on here or from what I've seen writte. they want it split completely, they want it to be highly visable.
I made the point about putting gay/bi as one option to highlight how ridiculous it is to have ts and cd in the same bracket. |
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"Just let people do their own identification and everyone to communicate prior to meets. People aren't static nor does everyone want to be highly visible or have the public know very intimate details about them, unless at an individual level of their choice.
But every transgender person I've spoken to on here or from what I've seen writte. they want it split completely, they want it to be highly visable.
I made the point about putting gay/bi as one option to highlight how ridiculous it is to have ts and cd in the same bracket. "
I've been here over 7 years and have repeated my support for it to remain as it is.
We're talking about a protected characteristic that has legal protection under equality laws - and service providers, amongst others, need to be mindful of this. I'm sure that fab is and the site owners monitor what all of our views are. I've covered some of my reasons for my views in earlier posts.
Cis gendered people do not have such a burden, as this threw covers, placed upon them - it's already at the point where unreasonable demands are being presented to transgender people Imo; to add further pressure to us is harassing.
Sure, other cisgendered people might find some greater facility if we transgender people are forced unreasonably to disclose intimate details to you - but your needs are not priority in this instance. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There's plenty of other sites that split them, and never really come across any issues.
Fab just seems stuck in the dark ages with it.
I think having people who are transitioning having to use the same title as a crossdresser is pathetic.
Even the sexual orientation options are lacking, again plenty of other sites have much more options and it works perfectly.
If it's important put it in the profile text. If people don't read it they don't care, so don't meet them.
So let's just scrap gay and bi being separate options and just put them together and let people state it in their profile?"
Yep- I wouldn't have sexuality on profiles either. Just who we are looking for. Gay/ bi/ straight is all irrelevant. |
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"Just let people do their own identification and everyone to communicate prior to meets. People aren't static nor does everyone want to be highly visible or have the public know very intimate details about them, unless at an individual level of their choice.
But every transgender person I've spoken to on here or from what I've seen writte. they want it split completely, they want it to be highly visable.
I made the point about putting gay/bi as one option to highlight how ridiculous it is to have ts and cd in the same bracket. "
I know what you were getting at. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think honest and correct labelling on sites like this benefits the effectiveness and efficiency of the site for all honest users .....
I see absolutely no value in defending misleading information or any suggestion that correct labels don't matter on a profile based contact.....
But that's just my opinion,,,, |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just let people do their own identification and everyone to communicate prior to meets. People aren't static nor does everyone want to be highly visible or have the public know very intimate details about them, unless at an individual level of their choice.
But every transgender person I've spoken to on here or from what I've seen writte. they want it split completely, they want it to be highly visable.
I made the point about putting gay/bi as one option to highlight how ridiculous it is to have ts and cd in the same bracket. "
Well heres one on this thread repeatedly stating Flickr is wise in leaving things as they are...
All yous are doing is causing division , confusion by seeking to impose a mythical
heirarchy were some Trans are superiour to others...Which degrades and demeans the vast bulk of the Trans community... |
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"Just let people do their own identification and everyone to communicate prior to meets. People aren't static nor does everyone want to be highly visible or have the public know very intimate details about them, unless at an individual level of their choice.
But every transgender person I've spoken to on here or from what I've seen writte. they want it split completely, they want it to be highly visable.
I made the point about putting gay/bi as one option to highlight how ridiculous it is to have ts and cd in the same bracket.
Well heres one on this thread repeatedly stating Flickr is wise in leaving things as they are...
All yous are doing is causing division , confusion by seeking to impose a mythical
heirarchy were some Trans are superiour to others...Which degrades and demeans the vast bulk of the Trans community..."
Completly right can you tell by looking at someone if there tv or ts? No you can't. |
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I'd imagine the bitchiness from certain types against people they didn't feel fit into their elistist categories would be horrendous!  x"
The 'elitist' can bitch whatever they want as long as it doesn't involve hair-pulling.
oops...there goes my wiggie..
Thank you fab for staying as it is.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Perhaps this is overly simplistic but I suspect genuine TG's/TS's don't have a sexual proclivity for crossdressing unlike the motivation for the majority of TV's/CD's |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The so called TGs/Ts,s on this website are mostly Fakes and closet Queens that post their psuedo Trans heirarchy hotchpotch of theories and fancifull whima to gain attention to themselves and always to the detriment of the vast bulk of the Trans community.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There have been so many threats on this site asking to split up the above topic which I agree with but I don't think is going to happen . So for the time being why don't we use the initials next to our user name . I know this will not help with the search or will it . At least then who does Search will see by our name the gender we are . making it easier I suppose what do you think "
this is a good idea |
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"Perhaps this is overly simplistic but I suspect genuine TG's/TS's don't have a sexual proclivity for crossdressing unlike the motivation for the majority of TV's/CD's "
Your missing the point true trans it's a lifestyle choice not a dress for kicks game like you suggest. We do what we do because it's a true reflection of who we are. Someone that does it for sexual gratification well there bedroom only dressers and closet only might as well live in Narnia. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Perhaps this is overly simplistic but I suspect genuine TG's/TS's don't have a sexual proclivity for crossdressing unlike the motivation for the majority of TV's/CD's
Your missing the point true trans it's a lifestyle choice not a dress for kicks game like you suggest. We do what we do because it's a true reflection of who we are. Someone that does it for sexual gratification well there bedroom only dressers and closet only might as well live in Narnia."
I think you need to read my post again .....I never suggested people who dress for reasons other than sexual gratuity are making lifestyle rather than being true to their inner self choices , you've jumped in there with both feet together.. ffs ..... |
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I think that the number of years it's been like this, coupled with the wide division of opinion, means that all could probably better agree to disagree.
It's up to each user to self-define as they wish to. Any facilitation of the site for others' not in this category is of much lesser importance, particularly in light of the legal implications for making any such changes to the site. |
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"I think that the number of years it's been like this, coupled with the wide division of opinion, means that all could probably better agree to disagree.
It's up to each user to self-define as they wish to. Any facilitation of the site for others' not in this category is of much lesser importance, particularly in light of the legal implications for making any such changes to the site."
I agree until if ever a blanket solution is found it's up-to each individual to define how they wish to be perceived its just unfortunate that some people are so clumsy when it comes to expressing their opinions that what the any fails to do them or the discussion any favours ,,,,,  |
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"I think that the number of years it's been like this, coupled with the wide division of opinion, means that all could probably better agree to disagree.
It's up to each user to self-define as they wish to. Any facilitation of the site for others' not in this category is of much lesser importance, particularly in light of the legal implications for making any such changes to the site.
I agree until if ever a blanket solution is found it's up-to each individual to define how they wish to be perceived its just unfortunate that some people are so clumsy when it comes to expressing their opinions that what the any fails to do them or the discussion any favours ,,,,, "
Ain't that right . But then we're talking fab here. |
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"I think that the number of years it's been like this, coupled with the wide division of opinion, means that all could probably better agree to disagree.
It's up to each user to self-define as they wish to. Any facilitation of the site for others' not in this category is of much lesser importance, particularly in light of the legal implications for making any such changes to the site.
I agree until if ever a blanket solution is found it's up-to each individual to define how they wish to be perceived its just unfortunate that some people are so clumsy when it comes to expressing their opinions that what the any fails to do them or the discussion any favours ,,,,,
Ain't that right . But then we're talking fab here. "
Yeah lets face cheap entertainment of this quality is so hard to find in the real world |
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"Perhaps this is overly simplistic but I suspect genuine TG's/TS's don't have a sexual proclivity for crossdressing unlike the motivation for the majority of TV's/CD's
Your missing the point true trans it's a lifestyle choice not a dress for kicks game like you suggest. We do what we do because it's a true reflection of who we are. Someone that does it for sexual gratification well there bedroom only dressers and closet only might as well live in Narnia.
I think you need to read my post again .....I never suggested people who dress for reasons other than sexual gratuity are making lifestyle rather than being true to their inner self choices , you've jumped in there with both feet together.. ffs ..... "
Maybe I have maybe I haven't i don't hide nothing. |
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"Perhaps this is overly simplistic but I suspect genuine TG's/TS's don't have a sexual proclivity for crossdressing unlike the motivation for the majority of TV's/CD's
Your missing the point true trans it's a lifestyle choice not a dress for kicks game like you suggest. We do what we do because it's a true reflection of who we are. Someone that does it for sexual gratification well there bedroom only dressers and closet only might as well live in Narnia.
I think you need to read my post again .....I never suggested people who dress for reasons other than sexual gratuity are making lifestyle rather than being true to their inner self choices , you've jumped in there with both feet together.. ffs .....
Maybe I have maybe I haven't i don't hide nothing."
Fair play although, intentionally predictable ambiguity doesn't intrigue me ...... |
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"In case anyone's been offended, upset or not been understood effectively, here's a big hug for you all. All of our views are important and the site owners take them on board."
Your intentions as always are most noble, but really I wouldn't sweat it.....
In truth I strongly suspect on this emotive issue some people post intending too be offended and in many cases too actually cause offence.......
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"Perhaps this is overly simplistic but I suspect genuine TG's/TS's don't have a sexual proclivity for crossdressing unlike the motivation for the majority of TV's/CD's
Your missing the point true trans it's a lifestyle choice not a dress for kicks game like you suggest. We do what we do because it's a true reflection of who we are. Someone that does it for sexual gratification well there bedroom only dressers and closet only might as well live in Narnia.
I think you need to read my post again .....I never suggested people who dress for reasons other than sexual gratuity are making lifestyle rather than being true to their inner self choices , you've jumped in there with both feet together.. ffs .....
Maybe I have maybe I haven't i don't hide nothing.
Fair play although, intentionally predictable ambiguity doesn't intrigue me ...... "
Fair play and not meant to offend in anyway. We all have views and I respect that. |
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"Fabswingers is wise in leaving things as they are...
Do we really need mythical Trans heirarchies founded on theories, whims and fancies...
As said before its just confusion"
There is already hierarchy, as witnessed by several threads such as this one. |
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"Fabswingers is wise in leaving things as they are...
Do we really need mythical Trans heirarchies founded on theories, whims and fancies...
As said before its just confusion
There is already hierarchy, as witnessed by several threads such as this one."
It will always be the case with threads like this. Nothing is solved just turns into a rant. Things are as they are except it and get on with life. What we do is an illusion be it a cd a tv or a ts. |
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"Fabswingers is wise in leaving things as they are...
Do we really need mythical Trans heirarchies founded on theories, whims and fancies...
As said before its just confusion"
Lol transdemikin and gender fluid. A list of 50 fucking genders to make someone feel unique. Fuck that PC horseshit. |
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"Fabswingers is wise in leaving things as they are...
Do we really need mythical Trans heirarchies founded on theories, whims and fancies...
As said before its just confusion
There is already hierarchy, as witnessed by several threads such as this one.
It will always be the case with threads like this. Nothing is solved just turns into a rant. Things are as they are except it and get on with life. What we do is an illusion be it a cd a tv or a ts. "
I like that the TV/ts on here don't try to politicise their identity or make people use an ambiguous term to refer to someone. It helped speaking to down to earth trannies, certainly made it so I don't dislike you all. Fab is quite good in that sense it's helped me get over a few prejudices, not gonna lie I have my preferences and am a politically incorrect guy a lot of the time but whatever, I'm a bit nicer with it. |
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Only in the minds of blinkerd self-deluded egotists is there any measure of hierarchy on a site like this,,,,
But TV's and CD's are not the same as TS and TG and none of the afore mentioned are entitled to feel theirs is a position of primacy on here and shame on those who think they do....
We all have a right to define ourselves in any way we wish to be perceived by others, but first and foremost to earn that right, we need to behave like tolerant decent minded individuals rather than pompatus berks .....
No-one can make you feel inferior without* your permission  |
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"Only in the minds of blinkerd self-deluded egotists is there any measure of hierarchy on a site like this,,,,
But TV's and CD's are not the same as TS and TG and none of the afore mentioned are entitled to feel theirs is a position of primacy on here and shame on those who think they do....
We all have a right to define ourselves in any way we wish to be perceived by others, but first and foremost to earn that right, we need to behave like tolerant decent minded individuals rather than pompatus berks .....
No-one can make you feel inferior without* your permission "
More cleverly woven confusion |
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