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"We're heading blindly into George Orwells state controlled 1984.."
slightly melodramatic  it's called road safety. More people die collisions that than terrorism in the country? Because it's a means to help reduce fatalities you see it as oppression? |
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"We're heading blindly into George Orwells state controlled 1984..slightly melodramatic it's called road safety. More people die collisions that than terrorism in the country? Because it's a means to help reduce fatalities you see it as oppression? "
Hear hear  as with any offence you're only guilty if you commit it! |
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"We're heading blindly into George Orwells state controlled 1984..slightly melodramatic it's called road safety. More people die collisions that than terrorism in the country? Because it's a means to help reduce fatalities you see it as oppression? "
Saying more people die in road collisions than terrorism is a bit of a no brainer. But I agree, at my age I am statistically most likely to die in a road collision so if the government wants to slow everyone down that'd be great  |
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"I agree road safety should be improved, but the proposal is a bit extreme and unworkable, the vast majority of drivers speed a little even if only occasionally, yes we're all criminals!  "
True...but then if you allow that little bit...then we push it a little more ! We know the rules. Break them if you want but there's a consequence. |
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"Dont break the law and you've got nothing to worry about... simples!"
That's what people who read the daily mail say. You're losing your freedoms and you're actively encouraging it!
What's next, Thought Crime? |
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I hate speeders, I really do, but Im struggling with the 1mph over the limit. We are relying on a cars speedometer that is a mechanical object and its always been accepted that such things have a + /-10% tolerance. I think in reality such prosecutions for 1mph may be rare, but I wont risk it. I'll set the limiter on my car |
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"We're heading blindly into George Orwells state controlled 1984..slightly melodramatic it's called road safety. More people die collisions that than terrorism in the country? Because it's a means to help reduce fatalities you see it as oppression? "
Why don't we all drive our cars at 0 mph and there will be no more road accidents? That's logic. Is speed the number one cause of accidents? No. It's the easiest to make money out of. Speeding fines have nothing to do with road safety but rather cash revenue. Most causes of accidents I have seen on UK roads have been caused by unsafe following distances. How far do you have to go before someone tailgates you? How many people get fined for tailgating? |
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"Dont break the law and you've got nothing to worry about... simples!
That's what people who read the daily mail say. You're losing your freedoms and you're actively encouraging it!
What's next, Thought Crime?"
Losing your freedom to do what exactly? |
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"Dont break the law and you've got nothing to worry about... simples!
That's what people who read the daily mail say. You're losing your freedoms and you're actively encouraging it!
What's next, Thought Crime?
Losing your freedom to do what exactly?"
Break the law obvs  |
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"We're heading blindly into George Orwells state controlled 1984..
I think we have already crossed that particular threshold
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 some people really need to see other parts of the world! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We're heading blindly into George Orwells state controlled 1984..slightly melodramatic it's called road safety. More people die collisions that than terrorism in the country? Because it's a means to help reduce fatalities you see it as oppression?
Why don't we all drive our cars at 0 mph and there will be no more road accidents? That's logic. Is speed the number one cause of accidents? No. It's the easiest to make money out of. Speeding fines have nothing to do with road safety but rather cash revenue. Most causes of accidents I have seen on UK roads have been caused by unsafe following distances. How far do you have to go before someone tailgates you? How many people get fined for tailgating?"
What isn't "logic" is you can't drive at 0mph. |
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Dunno what people are all so up in arms about. There's less and less enforcement on the roads as days go by.
Speed cameras are easy to spot unless they're blind, and in that case, they shouldn't be driving anyway. There's even websites that publish locations of mobile ones.
Best of all, drive within the limit and treat is as a limit, not a target...and you'll stay fine/points/ban free. |
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"We're heading blindly into George Orwells state controlled 1984..
I think we have already crossed that particular threshold
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Have we become North Korea and nobody told me? |
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The last car accident I saw was on the A1. A person slammed on brakes for a "safety camera" and the person behind whose eyes were on their speedometer drove in to the back. Not so long ago this happened on the M4 and a person lost his life. You can read many stories of traffic officers who have stood out in front of speeding bikers and its killed the biker and the traffic officer. Statistically more people are killed by speed enforcement than terrorism. |
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There's no such thing as an accident where driving is concerned. Humans aren't infallible and therefore "accidents" will inevitably occur. High speed collisions are responsible for fatalities on the roads of course, but lack of concentration is by far the greater killer and cause of "accidents"  |
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The only thing I find amazing are that these speed limits were set when cars took a hell of a lot longer to stop and they were seen as the safe limits then, surely the safe limit is higher now?
I have no problem with having strict speed limits on built up residential areas but I do think Germany have a much better system where the autobahn is concerned! |
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"I hate speeders, I really do, but Im struggling with the 1mph over the limit. We are relying on a cars speedometer that is a mechanical object and its always been accepted that such things have a + /-10% tolerance. I think in reality such prosecutions for 1mph may be rare, but I wont risk it. I'll set the limiter on my car "
You will that a cars speedometer are deliberately set to -3mph never set to plus. As long as the wheels and tyres and gearbox are as original you will be fine. New cars use wheel speed sensors for every wheel to enable abs to work and they are pretty accurate just deliberately set slower on the display. |
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"The only thing I find amazing are that these speed limits were set when cars took a hell of a lot longer to stop and they were seen as the safe limits then, surely the safe limit is higher now?
I have no problem with having strict speed limits on built up residential areas but I do think Germany have a much better system where the autobahn is concerned!"
They aren't as congested as our motorway network. |
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I tried to keep to the speed limit along the m4 then m25 yesterday. It was a fucking nightmare. For me, and everyone around me. And why is it, doing 70 in the inside lane, i still had to keep moving out to lane 3 to overtake cunts doing less than the limit! |
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"I hate speeders, I really do, but Im struggling with the 1mph over the limit. We are relying on a cars speedometer that is a mechanical object and its always been accepted that such things have a + /-10% tolerance. I think in reality such prosecutions for 1mph may be rare, but I wont risk it. I'll set the limiter on my car
You will that a cars speedometer are deliberately set to -3mph never set to plus. As long as the wheels and tyres and gearbox are as original you will be fine. New cars use wheel speed sensors for every wheel to enable abs to work and they are pretty accurate just deliberately set slower on the display. "
Speedos generally over read. Where have you got this -3mph stuff fron? |
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"There's no such thing as an accident where driving is concerned. Humans aren't infallible and therefore "accidents" will inevitably occur. High speed collisions are responsible for fatalities on the roads of course, but lack of concentration is by far the greater killer and cause of "accidents" "
Needing to add fatalities into road accident statistics is very important to authorities so that they can justify making money out of the death of road accident victims.
Last year Miss C was cross swiped by a truck on a roundabout, knocked off the road and into a tree. The trucker drove off and left her for dead. The police didn't come out to the scene of the accident and have not investigated the case. The roundabout is monitored my police cameras. Bottom line there was no money to be made out of it by the authorities so they couldn't care less. That trucker will probably continue to sideswipe people until he kills someone.
So lets talk about speed enforcement for what it is. A money making scheme build on the death of others. |
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"I hate speeders, I really do, but Im struggling with the 1mph over the limit. We are relying on a cars speedometer that is a mechanical object and its always been accepted that such things have a + /-10% tolerance. I think in reality such prosecutions for 1mph may be rare, but I wont risk it. I'll set the limiter on my car
You will that a cars speedometer are deliberately set to -3mph never set to plus. As long as the wheels and tyres and gearbox are as original you will be fine. New cars use wheel speed sensors for every wheel to enable abs to work and they are pretty accurate just deliberately set slower on the display.
Speedos generally over read. Where have you got this -3mph stuff fron?"
I just realised what I have written. Yes they read 30mph but are actually doing 27mph. Apologies glad someone was awake this morning. I clearly need more coffee. |
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"I hate speeders, I really do, but Im struggling with the 1mph over the limit. We are relying on a cars speedometer that is a mechanical object and its always been accepted that such things have a + /-10% tolerance. I think in reality such prosecutions for 1mph may be rare, but I wont risk it. I'll set the limiter on my car
You will that a cars speedometer are deliberately set to -3mph never set to plus. As long as the wheels and tyres and gearbox are as original you will be fine. New cars use wheel speed sensors for every wheel to enable abs to work and they are pretty accurate just deliberately set slower on the display. "
These values are not calibrated to any reconised standards and we do not have to get our cars speedometers calibrated on a regular basis by an auditable organisation.
Therefore it will be impossible to apply speeding regulations without applying some tolerance to that value..
Nothing will change to the existing speeding rules, an uncertainty of measurement will still be taken into account, the only difference is how the fines are applied if you are caught speeding.
Simple answer, don't break the speed limit.
Simple |
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"Dunno what people are all so up in arms about. There's less and less enforcement on the roads as days go by.
Speed cameras are easy to spot unless they're blind, and in that case, they shouldn't be driving anyway. There's even websites that publish locations of mobile ones.
Best of all, drive within the limit and treat is as a limit, not a target...and you'll stay fine/points/ban free."
bottom line is there's far less enforcement. Speed camera locations put up signs to warn you they're in place.
No, a lot of the other offences such as tailgating and careless driving aren't tackled. Why? Cutbacks and everyman and his dog who's found guilty suddenly is a victim of an oppressive police state and complains! Come on!!
Yes we all speed at times but don't whinge.. no one forced you to?
How on earth is this an oppressive rule? Go to Alepo and whinge there about something valid. |
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"The 1mph extra and you're screwed thing is stupid"
Its always been the case, the speed limit is a hard limit and even the smallest digression CAN be prosecuted. There has always been this misconception that there is a 10%+1mph allowance, but in reality that's total fiction.
What there is & will continue to be, is the discretion of the authorities in setting the thresholds that their cameras trigger at... of individual officers in the case of police stop.
I personally know of a couple of people who have (a couple of years ago) been fined at 31mph & 41mph (both 1mph over)
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"There's no such thing as an accident where driving is concerned. Humans aren't infallible and therefore "accidents" will inevitably occur. High speed collisions are responsible for fatalities on the roads of course, but lack of concentration is by far the greater killer and cause of "accidents"
Needing to add fatalities into road accident statistics is very important to authorities so that they can justify making money out of the death of road accident victims.
Last year Miss C was cross swiped by a truck on a roundabout, knocked off the road and into a tree. The trucker drove off and left her for dead. The police didn't come out to the scene of the accident and have not investigated the case. The roundabout is monitored my police cameras. Bottom line there was no money to be made out of it by the authorities so they couldn't care less. That trucker will probably continue to sideswipe people until he kills someone.
So lets talk about speed enforcement for what it is. A money making scheme build on the death of others."
this! |
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"The only thing I find amazing are that these speed limits were set when cars took a hell of a lot longer to stop and they were seen as the safe limits then, surely the safe limit is higher now?
I have no problem with having strict speed limits on built up residential areas but I do think Germany have a much better system where the autobahn is concerned!
They aren't as congested as our motorway network. "
Out motorway is only as bad as it is due to the drivers who cannot drive, too many people who shouldn't even be on the road, should make the test more difficult to out the shite drivers |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The only thing I find amazing are that these speed limits were set when cars took a hell of a lot longer to stop and they were seen as the safe limits then, surely the safe limit is higher now?
I have no problem with having strict speed limits on built up residential areas but I do think Germany have a much better system where the autobahn is concerned!
They aren't as congested as our motorway network.
Out motorway is only as bad as it is due to the drivers who cannot drive, too many people who shouldn't even be on the road, should make the test more difficult to out the shite drivers "
Tests won't prevent that. People learn how to pass tests. It's their attitude when they're driving on a day to day basis that matters.
Quite clearly some have difficulty in understanding that they're no more important in life than the other girl or guy on the road and they don't own it. |
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The other girl or guy on the road that hesitates with ever manouvere they do are the ones that cause crashes though, I often find the slower drivers to be the more dangerous on the road because they always do something when they shouldn't and when they should, they hesitate!
In all honesty especially on the motorway I am safer when speeding a little because I actually pay more attention to every little detail around me whereas when you are just cruising at the speed limit or less you tend to go into autopilot which is very dangerous. Just how I feel obviously others will disagree |
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"The other girl or guy on the road that hesitates with ever manouvere they do are the ones that cause crashes though, I often find the slower drivers to be the more dangerous on the road because they always do something when they shouldn't and when they should, they hesitate!
In all honesty especially on the motorway I am safer when speeding a little because I actually pay more attention to every little detail around me whereas when you are just cruising at the speed limit or less you tend to go into autopilot which is very dangerous. Just how I feel obviously others will disagree "
It's not about disagreeing but if you look at your statement, in my opinion you've defeated your own argument.
The higher the speed the less reaction time to deal with a hazard? If all these slow and erratic drivers changing lanes, and being a hazard are around you when you speed, then common sense dictates slow down as you can react more safely?
Speeding isn't the main contributory factor in all collisions no. Speeding in inappropriate circumstances is far more likely to be the problem.
You're right, you probably can drive down the motorway at 100mph quite safely. It's all the other factors that you have no control over that are the issue.
I can understand people being cheesed off at being booked for 31mph, but this totalitarian oppressive regime debate does nothing to strengthen your debate. |
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"Some people love a rule, that they can throw in other people's faces to make them feel a little bit better."
If you don't like the rules of the road ..then you have the choice not to drive .
People forget getting your drivers licence is a privilege not a God given right .
As for the speed limits ,some people forget its a limit ..not a goal. If it saves even one life it's worth while . Just a few miles per hour can make a difference in someone surviving being knocked down or a crash . |
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"The other girl or guy on the road that hesitates with ever manouvere they do are the ones that cause crashes though, I often find the slower drivers to be the more dangerous on the road because they always do something when they shouldn't and when they should, they hesitate!
In all honesty especially on the motorway I am safer when speeding a little because I actually pay more attention to every little detail around me whereas when you are just cruising at the speed limit or less you tend to go into autopilot which is very dangerous. Just how I feel obviously others will disagree "
There was an accident the other day on the A34 where a truck drove into stationary vehicles. The driver was convicted because a civilian with a rear dash cam recorded that the driver had spent more time looking at his phone than the road.
My point is why don't unmarked cars drive on the road with cameras? In the space of the first hour on the A34 you could make more money from acts which CAUSE accidents to pay for the expense of such enforcement for a month. |
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Wasn't the motorway speed limit set in the 1960's when drum brakes and no abs was the norm.
I've driven regularly in Germany and would love to compare there autobahn accident rates v ours.
Generally people's standards of motorway driving in the uk is poor and it should be a driving test on it's own after someone's past there test and maybe make it so they have to have driven for x months before they can apply for lessons etc.
I'm a great believer in throwing the book at someone for speeding through towns, villages, schools etc
But 4am on a summers morning when the motorway is clear shouldn't have the same limit as 4pm on a sleety winters afternoon |
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People will always blame speeding for a collision rather than the idiot that pulled out infront of the their driver when they shouldn't have etc.
Driving faster than the limit is always seen as the big bad one by the people who obviously drive cars that struggle to reach the limit, the argument it's a limit not a goal is also just stupid, a lot of cars on the roads just cruise at these speeds or higher without any effort whatsoever so it's not like they are trying to reach or break the limit, it's just the cars do it easily now compared to 20-30 years ago |
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"People will always blame speeding for a collision rather than the idiot that pulled out infront of the their driver when they shouldn't have etc.
Driving faster than the limit is always seen as the big bad one by the people who obviously drive cars that struggle to reach the limit, the argument it's a limit not a goal is also just stupid, a lot of cars on the roads just cruise at these speeds or higher without any effort whatsoever so it's not like they are trying to reach or break the limit, it's just the cars do it easily now compared to 20-30 years ago "
Just because they can go like shit of a shovel doesn't mean they have to .
As it stands the law is as stands and those who choose to break it can't bleat then about any consequences . |
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"People will always blame speeding for a collision rather than the idiot that pulled out infront of the their driver when they shouldn't have etc.
Driving faster than the limit is always seen as the big bad one by the people who obviously drive cars that struggle to reach the limit, the argument it's a limit not a goal is also just stupid, a lot of cars on the roads just cruise at these speeds or higher without any effort whatsoever so it's not like they are trying to reach or break the limit, it's just the cars do it easily now compared to 20-30 years ago
Just because they can go like shit of a shovel doesn't mean they have to .
As it stands the law is as stands and those who choose to break it can't bleat then about any consequences . "
I do agree, if caught you can have no complaints, but I do beleive there are far too many drivers on the road who are far more dangerous but get away with it because speeders are what is targeted and they are targeted for money, that's all |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"I hate speeders, I really do, but Im struggling with the 1mph over the limit. We are relying on a cars speedometer that is a mechanical object and its always been accepted that such things have a + /-10% tolerance. I think in reality such prosecutions for 1mph may be rare, but I wont risk it. I'll set the limiter on my car "
I thought that speedometers had to be set so that they could only read faster Than the speed travelling not slower so as to remove "mechanical misreading" as a defence to speeding?
Still, the new proposals are a knee jerk blanket response which will only serve to criminalise safe drivers. Personally, I'm in favour of dropping the limit to 20mph around school and built up areas but raising it on motorways and certain dual carriageways. |
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"I hate speeders, I really do, but Im struggling with the 1mph over the limit. We are relying on a cars speedometer that is a mechanical object and its always been accepted that such things have a + /-10% tolerance. I think in reality such prosecutions for 1mph may be rare, but I wont risk it. I'll set the limiter on my car
I thought that speedometers had to be set so that they could only read faster Than the speed travelling not slower so as to remove "mechanical misreading" as a defence to speeding?
Still, the new proposals are a knee jerk blanket response which will only serve to criminalise safe drivers. Personally, I'm in favour of dropping the limit to 20mph around school and built up areas but raising it on motorways and certain dual carriageways."
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Great news.
The new fines are wage related.
If you are doing over 51mph in a 30mph zone, you get a fine of 150% of you weekly wage i.e £1,100 if you are on £40k.
Hopefully it will deter idiots from driving round our streets with scant regard for other peoples safety and lives.
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"Great news.
The new fines are wage related.
If you are doing over 51mph in a 30mph zone, you get a fine of 150% of you weekly wage i.e £1,100 if you are on £40k.
Hopefully it will deter idiots from driving round our streets with scant regard for other peoples safety and lives.
MrB"
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I can understand peoples objections but I think it's a great idea - ultimately it's about the deterrent and not the punishment so it should be equal to everyone. |
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"Dont break the law and you've got nothing to worry about... simples!
That's what people who read the daily mail say. You're losing your freedoms and you're actively encouraging it!
What's next, Thought Crime?"
In my 25 odd years of driving I have got points and fines 3 times for speeding. I have also been banned and fined for speeding. Not something Im proud of, but I broke the law, got caught and got punished. Only myself to blame!
The only time I was pissed at being caught was for 38 in a 30, I genuinely believed it was a 40mph zone.
One area I can see people really falling foul is in average speed camera areas. |
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It's not the limit at which you can be fined that has changed, just the amount you can be fined.
From what I've read it seems to be linked to your average weekly wage. Time to all go in the role if you want to speed then huh |
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One area I can see people really falling foul is in average speed camera areas. "
I think average speed cameras are a much better solution than actual single cameras. It forces people to maintain a steady speed and stops those who are tempted to drive fast then brake hard for the camera. I feel if they put traffic cameras on every set of traffic lights to catch people running red lights and average speed cameras in built up areas then that would solve a lot of the issues. |
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One area I can see people really falling foul is in average speed camera areas.
I think average speed cameras are a much better solution than actual single cameras. It forces people to maintain a steady speed and stops those who are tempted to drive fast then brake hard for the camera. I feel if they put traffic cameras on every set of traffic lights to catch people running red lights and average speed cameras in built up areas then that would solve a lot of the issues. "
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They are already working on the technology that will automatically limit the speed of the car to the speed limit of the road it's on.
I'm guessing it will start slowing down as it approaches the zone or you'd have cars automatically slamming the brakes on
Guess it will be on new cars only as it would cost a fortune to retro fit it to older cars |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"It's not the limit at which you can be fined that has changed, just the amount you can be fined.
From what I've read it seems to be linked to your average weekly wage. Time to all go in the role if you want to speed then huh "
So now, with the rising cost of living and wage stagnation, some people are going to pushed onto the breadline/in debt for being a couple of mph over the limit on deserted open roads at 5 am? |
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"It's not the limit at which you can be fined that has changed, just the amount you can be fined.
From what I've read it seems to be linked to your average weekly wage. Time to all go in the role if you want to speed then huh
So now, with the rising cost of living and wage stagnation, some people are going to pushed onto the breadline/in debt for being a couple of mph over the limit on deserted open roads at 5 am?"
If people stick to the speed limit then they won't have a fine to pay. |
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"It's not the limit at which you can be fined that has changed, just the amount you can be fined.
From what I've read it seems to be linked to your average weekly wage. Time to all go in the role if you want to speed then huh
So now, with the rising cost of living and wage stagnation, some people are going to pushed onto the breadline/in debt for being a couple of mph over the limit on deserted open roads at 5 am?"
They learn very quickly to change the driving style then don't they. |
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By *vadownMan
over a year ago
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You try defending a false ticket. Will cost on average 4K in court and if found innocent you only receive 2 thirds back.... cost me 1400 because somebody cloned my plate.... bloody cash cow...should have just took the points and fine.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We're heading blindly into George Orwells state controlled 1984..
I think that you will find that we are already, almost, there.
1984 was a novel, not a bloody blueprint."
You think so? Really?
So we're on a par with North Korea for how we're treated?
Me thinks some need to get a little perspective on life. |
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over a year ago
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"It's not the limit at which you can be fined that has changed, just the amount you can be fined.
From what I've read it seems to be linked to your average weekly wage. Time to all go in the role if you want to speed then huh
So now, with the rising cost of living and wage stagnation, some people are going to pushed onto the breadline/in debt for being a couple of mph over the limit on deserted open roads at 5 am?
They learn very quickly to change the driving style then don't they. "
So spend more time looking at the speedo and less time paying attention to the road, potential hazards and driving conditions? |
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"It's not the limit at which you can be fined that has changed, just the amount you can be fined.
From what I've read it seems to be linked to your average weekly wage. Time to all go in the role if you want to speed then huh
So now, with the rising cost of living and wage stagnation, some people are going to pushed onto the breadline/in debt for being a couple of mph over the limit on deserted open roads at 5 am?
They learn very quickly to change the driving style then don't they.
So spend more time looking at the speedo and less time paying attention to the road, potential hazards and driving conditions?"
I dont think they would spend more time looking at what speed they are doing. I dont speed but i still look at the road etc. |
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"It's not the limit at which you can be fined that has changed, just the amount you can be fined.
From what I've read it seems to be linked to your average weekly wage. Time to all go in the role if you want to speed then huh "
from what i was reading many new cameras are set with no buffer now. Ie will go off at 1mph over the limit. Which if true is dangerous. As people will be watching there Speedo more than the road.
When you have a little leeway its not so bad. |
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"I hate speeders, I really do, but Im struggling with the 1mph over the limit. We are relying on a cars speedometer that is a mechanical object and its always been accepted that such things have a + /-10% tolerance. I think in reality such prosecutions for 1mph may be rare, but I wont risk it. I'll set the limiter on my car "
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"Dont break the law and you've got nothing to worry about... simples!
That's what people who read the daily mail say. You're losing your freedoms and you're actively encouraging it!
What's next, Thought Crime?"
How is driving over the safe speed limit and contributing to road deaths a "freedom"? Maybe you could help with a definition or some more examples of "freedoms". |
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"Dont break the law and you've got nothing to worry about... simples!
That's what people who read the daily mail say. You're losing your freedoms and you're actively encouraging it!
What's next, Thought Crime?
How is driving over the safe speed limit and contributing to road deaths a "freedom"? Maybe you could help with a definition or some more examples of "freedoms"."
There are plenty of people who speed and never kill anyone. I had someone come around a blind corner on the wrong side of side of the road the other day. The person was not speeding. I guess that was alright then. |
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"The 1mph extra and you're screwed thing is stupid
It's always been that way its just some forces have exercised discretion and allowed a 10% +3 rule. It was never a country wide rule. "
It's 10% +2mph which is the cps charging standard. Some forces will issue a ticket for less but if it falls withing the above then if the ticket is contested then it shouldn't go to court as the cps wouldn't run with it. |
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"I hate speeders, I really do, but Im struggling with the 1mph over the limit. We are relying on a cars speedometer that is a mechanical object and its always been accepted that such things have a + /-10% tolerance. I think in reality such prosecutions for 1mph may be rare, but I wont risk it. I'll set the limiter on my car
You will that a cars speedometer are deliberately set to -3mph never set to plus. As long as the wheels and tyres and gearbox are as original you will be fine. New cars use wheel speed sensors for every wheel to enable abs to work and they are pretty accurate just deliberately set slower on the display.
Speedos generally over read. Where have you got this -3mph stuff fron?
I just realised what I have written. Yes they read 30mph but are actually doing 27mph. Apologies glad someone was awake this morning. I clearly need more coffee."
if i approach one of those warning things that flashes if your going to fast.. or says thank you if its lower... my Speedo matches what it says on the board. My old car was always a lot under. |
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I went on one of those courses onece quite some time ago and the amount of people moaning about getting caught made me laugh.
The 10% is to allow you some leaway if you see 30mph you're actually doing 27mph so if you are doing 33 you're doing 30.
But some people getting clocked at 33 were actually doing around 36 mph
So where do you draw the line?
I drive for a living these days and just keep to what you be speedo reads i.e. 20 30 ect and know that I'm never going to be speeding |
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"I hate speeders, I really do, but Im struggling with the 1mph over the limit. We are relying on a cars speedometer that is a mechanical object and its always been accepted that such things have a + /-10% tolerance. I think in reality such prosecutions for 1mph may be rare, but I wont risk it. I'll set the limiter on my car
This "
Exactly this is nonsense
There is no plus or minus 10 % tolerance , a Speedo by law must read no more than 10% above actual speed but must not ever read below
It seems people are not understanding the accuracy of modern tech . Do you realise how accurate speed sensing actually is or could be ? No ? Then just learn how abs
works as previously illustrated tyre depth alters Speedo speed by only 2% across its range 8 mm to 2 Speedos are calibrated with the minimum tread in mind and at 70 mph this only leads to a 1.4 mph variance
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"I hate speeders, I really do, but Im struggling with the 1mph over the limit. We are relying on a cars speedometer that is a mechanical object and its always been accepted that such things have a + /-10% tolerance. I think in reality such prosecutions for 1mph may be rare, but I wont risk it. I'll set the limiter on my car
This
Exactly this is nonsense
There is no plus or minus 10 % tolerance , a Speedo by law must read no more than 10% above actual speed but must not ever read below
It seems people are not understanding the accuracy of modern tech . Do you realise how accurate speed sensing actually is or could be ? No ? Then just learn how abs
works as previously illustrated tyre depth alters Speedo speed by only 2% across its range 8 mm to 2 Speedos are calibrated with the minimum tread in mind and at 70 mph this only leads to a 1.4 mph variance
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Exactly that's why the car manufacturers set the speedo at 10% higher so they can not get any law suits against them because you will always be around 3% under the limit.
Problem is that poeple use this 10% and then end up just over the speed limit and the authorities don't have to give you any leaway at all in law |
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Be more money for foreign aid !! People dying in uk due to withdraw of cancer drugs due to costs !! Yet we send billions abroad to help them lot !!
UKIP UKIP UKIP ???? ???? ????
Country has had it !! |
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"Be more money for foreign aid !! People dying in uk due to withdraw of cancer drugs due to costs !! Yet we send billions abroad to help them lot !!
UKIP UKIP UKIP ???? ???? ????
Country has had it !!"
Them us ?
Any human dying is very sad
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If everyone obeyed it, there will be fewer injuries, less fines, less revenue ( have to be honest about things) and them more rules to break to find more revenue. I wonder how many people are away that their vehicle tax has been hiked up a huge amount as from April? No zero tax for zero emissions anymore... £130 flat rate. Those most popular cars for many practical reasons have risen from £245 to £650. It be good to have a look and see what they sneaked in under the radar. The push to go low emissions is great but as long as with anything if it's aligned with taxation, if we as citizens try to comply then they'll change it regularly as they have a fall in taxation. |
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Obviously if you caught driving at ridiculously excessive speeds you deserve to have the book thrown at you.
However, these new penalties are preposterous and i'm surprised at the number of people who find them acceptable.
Speed doesn't kill. I read a report stating that only 4% of RTA's were attributed to excessive speed, the rest put down to lack of driver ability and judgement. Perhaps we should concentrate on getting these morons off the road instead.
This is nothing more than a revenue generator, the government realises that reducing the number of speed enforcement officers has resulted in a drop in revenue. This is nothing more than a means of keeping said revenue flowing. |
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"We're heading blindly into George Orwells state controlled 1984..slightly melodramatic it's called road safety. More people die collisions that than terrorism in the country? Because it's a means to help reduce fatalities you see it as oppression? "
More people died last year from wasp stings than terrorism.
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"We're heading blindly into George Orwells state controlled 1984..slightly melodramatic it's called road safety. More people die collisions that than terrorism in the country? Because it's a means to help reduce fatalities you see it as oppression?
More people died last year from wasp stings than terrorism.
Just saying"
Some people would consider wasps to be terrorists. |
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"We're heading blindly into George Orwells state controlled 1984..slightly melodramatic it's called road safety. More people die collisions that than terrorism in the country? Because it's a means to help reduce fatalities you see it as oppression?
More people died last year from wasp stings than terrorism.
Just saying
Some people would consider wasps to be terrorists. "
Wasps are the devils own |
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"We're heading blindly into George Orwells state controlled 1984.."
It's for those excessively over the limit. It kicks in for those doing 51 or more in a 30 zone or 100 in a 70 zone
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"Obviously if you caught driving at ridiculously excessive speeds you deserve to have the book thrown at you.
However, these new penalties are preposterous and i'm surprised at the number of people who find them acceptable.
Speed doesn't kill. I read a report stating that only 4% of RTA's were attributed to excessive speed, the rest put down to lack of driver ability and judgement. Perhaps we should concentrate on getting these morons off the road instead.
This is nothing more than a revenue generator, the government realises that reducing the number of speed enforcement officers has resulted in a drop in revenue. This is nothing more than a means of keeping said revenue flowing."
These new fines (150% of weekly salary rather than 100%) only apply to the "ridiculously excessive speeds" that you talk of (50+ in built up area or 100+ on motorway). No excuses for that....so yes! As you say...throw the book at them.
You are actually agreeing with the new regs. Or didn't you realise that? |
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"We're heading blindly into George Orwells state controlled 1984..slightly melodramatic it's called road safety. More people die collisions that than terrorism in the country? Because it's a means to help reduce fatalities you see it as oppression?
Why don't we all drive our cars at 0 mph and there will be no more road accidents? That's logic. Is speed the number one cause of accidents? No. It's the easiest to make money out of. Speeding fines have nothing to do with road safety but rather cash revenue. Most causes of accidents I have seen on UK roads have been caused by unsafe following distances. How far do you have to go before someone tailgates you? How many people get fined for tailgating?"
Get a bike instead, then the country will be a lot healthier. Every one cycling everywhere. |
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"We're heading blindly into George Orwells state controlled 1984..slightly melodramatic it's called road safety. More people die collisions that than terrorism in the country? Because it's a means to help reduce fatalities you see it as oppression?
Why don't we all drive our cars at 0 mph and there will be no more road accidents? That's logic. Is speed the number one cause of accidents? No. It's the easiest to make money out of. Speeding fines have nothing to do with road safety but rather cash revenue. Most causes of accidents I have seen on UK roads have been caused by unsafe following distances. How far do you have to go before someone tailgates you? How many people get fined for tailgating?
Get a bike instead, then the country will be a lot healthier. Every one cycling everywhere. "
yes it's the phenomon cycling in Europe that's why there all slim and trim....
(Yes I have a bike too) |
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Remember these are guidelines for offences that go to court. Lots of 'minor' speeding caught by cameras is fixed penalty, and stays the same (£100?)
These new fines are imposed in court on the worst offenders. |
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"The 1mph extra and you're screwed thing is stupid"
It's all about easy money. Yet again the motorists are easy targets. Same as all the low emissions zone bullshit. Encourage everyone to buy diesel, then fuck them over. |
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"I agree road safety should be improved, but the proposal is a bit extreme and unworkable, the vast majority of drivers speed a little even if only occasionally, yes we're all criminals! "
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"The 1mph extra and you're screwed thing is stupid"
Most car speedometers are not accurate to within 1mph. I notice the speed shown on my Tom Tom, is approx 5mph different to my Speedo, at around 70mph !! |
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"The 1mph extra and you're screwed thing is stupid
Most car speedometers are not accurate to within 1mph. I notice the speed shown on my Tom Tom, is approx 5mph different to my Speedo, at around 70mph !!"
These are fines for offences that get sent to court. The fines are now changed to be a % of salary. If you are doing 50mph in a 30mph zone and earn £20k pa you'll get a £380 fine.
I think that is valid. |
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These are fines for offences that get sent to court. The fines are now changed to be a % of salary. If you are doing 50mph in a 30mph zone and earn £20k pa you'll get a £380 fine.
I think that is valid."
I could lie though....
I'm self employed.
I could tell them whatever I like?...
Also, from what I heard, the actual fine is 1 weeks wages + 50%.
I wasn't aware it was annual income based.
The only way they can prov e that is by trawling through my books and there is the problem, they are creating more of a problem than it solves, they will have to employ an entire workforce just to do this, as opposed to it being a fixed penalty.
Why they have done is this very, very weird to me. |
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These are fines for offences that get sent to court. The fines are now changed to be a % of salary. If you are doing 50mph in a 30mph zone and earn £20k pa you'll get a £380 fine.
I think that is valid.
I could lie though....
I'm self employed.
I could tell them whatever I like?...
Also, from what I heard, the actual fine is 1 weeks wages + 50%.
I wasn't aware it was annual income based.
The only way they can prov e that is by trawling through my books and there is the problem, they are creating more of a problem than it solves, they will have to employ an entire workforce just to do this, as opposed to it being a fixed penalty.
Why they have done is this very, very weird to me."
It doesn't affect the fixed penalties that most people get.
It only affects the more serious cases that get sent to court. |
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"The 1mph extra and you're screwed thing is stupid
It's all about easy money. Yet again the motorists are easy targets. Same as all the low emissions zone bullshit. Encourage everyone to buy diesel, then fuck them over."
If you don't speed the you will be fine. |
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"The 1mph extra and you're screwed thing is stupid
Most car speedometers are not accurate to within 1mph. I notice the speed shown on my Tom Tom, is approx 5mph different to my Speedo, at around 70mph !!
These are fines for offences that get sent to court. The fines are now changed to be a % of salary. If you are doing 50mph in a 30mph zone and earn £20k pa you'll get a £380 fine.
I think that is valid."
Now as a driver I think thats way too low a fine!
No excuse for going 20 mph over the speed limmit |
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These are fines for offences that get sent to court. The fines are now changed to be a % of salary. If you are doing 50mph in a 30mph zone and earn £20k pa you'll get a £380 fine.
I think that is valid.
Now as a driver I think thats way too low a fine!
No excuse for going 20 mph over the speed limmit"
(a ban will also be given) but yes, the fine has got to hurt. That level of speeding is recklessly dangerous and needs a suitable level of repurcussion for the driver.
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To fine someone for being 1 mph over the limit would mean that you would have to have the speedometer on your vehicle calibrated at least once per year to make sure it was accurate, hgvs go through this process already but to do this on most cars would require a he'll of a lot of work to remove the Speedo and test it. |
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"I tried to keep to the speed limit along the m4 then m25 yesterday. It was a fucking nightmare. For me, and everyone around me. And why is it, doing 70 in the inside lane, i still had to keep moving out to lane 3 to overtake cunts doing less than the limit! "
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"No chance of speeding on a push bike....
Therer is if you're in a 20 zone "
I come across dangerous cyclists on a regular basis. If they were driving a car in the same manner, they would be done for dangerous driving or driving without due care and attention. |
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"We're heading blindly into George Orwells state controlled 1984..slightly melodramatic it's called road safety. More people die collisions that than terrorism in the country? Because it's a means to help reduce fatalities you see it as oppression?
Why don't we all drive our cars at 0 mph and there will be no more road accidents? That's logic. Is speed the number one cause of accidents? No. It's the easiest to make money out of. Speeding fines have nothing to do with road safety but rather cash revenue. Most causes of accidents I have seen on UK roads have been caused by unsafe following distances. How far do you have to go before someone tailgates you? How many people get fined for tailgating?"
Along with useing mobile phones at the wheel etc. |
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It's a money spinner aimed at the honest working person the actual law breakers people who regularly drive with out licences and insurance are unaffected by these rules as they cant or won't pay then we pay again as a percentage of the fine is to cover lost revenue. It stinks strange the government aren't taking a hard line on drugs seeing as the strain on the nhs and mental health services is at breaking point as a result. A street caution and a fixed penalty yea that will teach them. |
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"No chance of speeding on a push bike....
Therer is if you're in a 20 zone
I come across dangerous cyclists on a regular basis. If they were driving a car in the same manner, they would be done for dangerous driving or driving without due care and attention."
Yet the figures don't show cyclists to be the cause of many incidents at all, West Mids Police traffic cops recently came out with their figures - drivers at fault in 98% of vehicle cycle collisions.
50 people were killed last yr by drivers driving ON THE PAVEMENT!
Cyclists didn't kill 5 people per day, or seriously injure 25'000 per year either.
Let's focus on what actually does kill & injure thousands of people per year - bad & dangerous driving & not let our prejudices get in the way of the facts.
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"It's a money spinner aimed at the honest working person the actual law breakers people who regularly drive with out licences and insurance are unaffected by these rules as they cant or won't pay then we pay again as a percentage of the fine is to cover lost revenue. It stinks strange the government aren't taking a hard line on drugs seeing as the strain on the nhs and mental health services is at breaking point as a result. A street caution and a fixed penalty yea that will teach them. "
No, it's a fine for cocks who drive at 50mph in 30 zones.
The other people you mention need dealing with harder as well. |
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"No chance of speeding on a push bike....
Therer is if you're in a 20 zone
I come across dangerous cyclists on a regular basis. If they were driving a car in the same manner, they would be done for dangerous driving or driving without due care and attention.
Yet the figures don't show cyclists to be the cause of many incidents at all, West Mids Police traffic cops recently came out with their figures - drivers at fault in 98% of vehicle cycle collisions.
50 people were killed last yr by drivers driving ON THE PAVEMENT!
Cyclists didn't kill 5 people per day, or seriously injure 25'000 per year either.
Let's focus on what actually does kill & injure thousands of people per year - bad & dangerous driving & not let our prejudices get in the way of the facts.
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Facts and figures aside, I have had two cyclists ride straight out in front of me in the past year. I have been driving long enough to know I was not in the wrong. I wasn't speeding and my road positioning was fine. It's the reason I invested in a dash cam. I am not prejudiced towards cyclists. Just inconsiderate and dangerous road users. |
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"We're heading blindly into George Orwells state controlled 1984..slightly melodramatic it's called road safety. More people die collisions that than terrorism in the country? Because it's a means to help reduce fatalities you see it as oppression?
Hear hear as with any offence you're only guilty if you commit it!"
Oh so bet that you have never broken the limit.
Same old rip off the motorist.
As we have the money to pay.
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I think the general consensus is whatever the speed limit is set at a large majority will yell "I'm a brilliant driver and my car is invincible. An accident would never be my fault"
When you drive to work tomorrow, look at the standard of driving. Aggression, must get there quicker, cheeky cutting in after shooting down the wrong lane. It's all there due to selfish attitude and truly shite driving. I'm for the hard line if it gives people a reality check to be responsible. But instead they will moan about the law/copper being the bastards rather than the person guilty.
Accept it. You're speeding, you're guilty! If you cannot accept it, you're arrogant and very likely not a nice person. Would you accept a lenient limit to a burglar of your house because it wasnt much money taken? Police are nasty for nicking someone who's just robbed you of £71? |
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"I think the general consensus is whatever the speed limit is set at a large majority will yell "I'm a brilliant driver and my car is invincible. An accident would never be my fault"
When you drive to work tomorrow, look at the standard of driving. Aggression, must get there quicker, cheeky cutting in after shooting down the wrong lane. It's all there due to selfish attitude and truly shite driving. I'm for the hard line if it gives people a reality check to be responsible. But instead they will moan about the law/copper being the bastards rather than the person guilty.
Accept it. You're speeding, you're guilty! If you cannot accept it, you're arrogant and very likely not a nice person. Would you accept a lenient limit to a burglar of your house because it wasnt much money taken? Police are nasty for nicking someone who's just robbed you of £71?"
OMG speeding means you are not a nice person how will we ever cope....really.
Best not meet anyone off here then!
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"We're heading blindly into George Orwells state controlled 1984..slightly melodramatic it's called road safety. More people die collisions that than terrorism in the country? Because it's a means to help reduce fatalities you see it as oppression?
Why don't we all drive our cars at 0 mph and there will be no more road accidents? That's logic. Is speed the number one cause of accidents? No. It's the easiest to make money out of. Speeding fines have nothing to do with road safety but rather cash revenue. Most causes of accidents I have seen on UK roads have been caused by unsafe following distances. How far do you have to go before someone tailgates you? How many people get fined for tailgating?"
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"I think the general consensus is whatever the speed limit is set at a large majority will yell "I'm a brilliant driver and my car is invincible. An accident would never be my fault"
When you drive to work tomorrow, look at the standard of driving. Aggression, must get there quicker, cheeky cutting in after shooting down the wrong lane. It's all there due to selfish attitude and truly shite driving. I'm for the hard line if it gives people a reality check to be responsible. But instead they will moan about the law/copper being the bastards rather than the person guilty.
Accept it. You're speeding, you're guilty! If you cannot accept it, you're arrogant and very likely not a nice person. Would you accept a lenient limit to a burglar of your house because it wasnt much money taken? Police are nasty for nicking someone who's just robbed you of £71?"
What a crock!!
More accidents caused by distraction, speeding makes the consequences worse. In spite of new law I still see a dozen people a day on their phone whilst driving.
Btw, I heard police no longer attend store thefts if cost of theft less than £100. |
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Well I'm a tech lover and i know that with all the tech we have available in cars now days 90% of the laws could be enforced without fines. Drink driving = Immobiliser fitted to car with breathalyzer start. speed limiter enforced for when not wearing seat belts. Short range wifi speed restrictors fitted to speed signs all this is very possible but would never be placed in a car as a requirement as the police would lose too much money from fines. I myself recently received a speeding fine for doing 37 through a 30 when I went back to site the entire road was 40 apart from a 500 foot section I hadn't driven down there for a long time and a lot of signs was overgrown with trees and crap. But accepted I hadn't paid attention pleaded guilty paid the £177 but was quite amused by the question of "If given a fine would this but you household into hardship" or some crap like that (i ticked no) but would like to know what my fine would of been if I had said yes lol  |
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"as the police would lose too much money from fines."
The police don't get the money from fines it goes into the government's bank account.
The reason why we don't have restricted vehicles which can stick within the speed limits, is because people think it's an infringement of their civil liberties.
Personally, I don't see a reason why anyone needs a car/motorbike that can exceed the 70mph speed limit... but manufacturers wouldn't sell the cars with these types of restrictions unless it was mandatory.
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"as the police would lose too much money from fines.
The police don't get the money from fines it goes into the government's bank account.
The reason why we don't have restricted vehicles which can stick within the speed limits, is because people think it's an infringement of their civil liberties.
Personally, I don't see a reason why anyone needs a car/motorbike that can exceed the 70mph speed limit... but manufacturers wouldn't sell the cars with these types of restrictions unless it was mandatory.
Cal"
as a regular track goer i can see plenty of reasons. I also think that speed is not the evil its made out to be. And that speed limits are rather outdated for cars/bikes today.
Btw i have never had a speeding ticket... |
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"as a regular track goer i can see plenty of reasons. I also think that speed is not the evil its made out to be. And that speed limits are rather outdated for cars/bikes today.
Btw i have never had a speeding ticket..."
I agree that speed limits should be higher on big roads, but I think that people misunderstand the implications of speed. It's not that speed in itself is dangerous, the problem is that if there is an accident, the damage/injury is worse the faster you're going. Plus the obvious knock on effect that speed has on reaction/stopping distances.
Yes newer cars are safer, but the human body hasn't developed any new mutations yet to dealing with the effects of a very sudden stop.
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Oh so bet that you have never broken the limit.
Same old rip off the motorist.
As we have the money to pay.
What a crock!"
The new fines don't replace fixed penalties from cameras. They are for offenses that go to court e.g 50mph in a 30mph. The fine is then a multiplier of weekly wage.
How is fining somebody for doing 50mph in a 30mph residential area a 'rip off' ??? |
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"I hate speeders, I really do, but Im struggling with the 1mph over the limit. We are relying on a cars speedometer that is a mechanical object and its always been accepted that such things have a + /-10% tolerance. I think in reality such prosecutions for 1mph may be rare, but I wont risk it. I'll set the limiter on my car "
Not quite true. A speedometer is permitted of over read by 10% but may not under read. In reality most over read by about 5%, though tyre tread depth and tyre pressure will make a slight difference.
In reality it's not speed that kills, it's speed DIFFERENCE I vehicle joining a motorway at 30 mph will cause the traffic on the motorway to slow and change lanes to avoid it. If that vehicle is joining the motorway at a suitable speed, it will merge safely. |
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"I hate speeders, I really do, but Im struggling with the 1mph over the limit. We are relying on a cars speedometer that is a mechanical object and its always been accepted that such things have a + /-10% tolerance. I think in reality such prosecutions for 1mph may be rare, but I wont risk it. I'll set the limiter on my car
Not quite true. A speedometer is permitted of over read by 10% but may not under read. In reality most over read by about 5%, though tyre tread depth and tyre pressure will make a slight difference.
In reality it's not speed that kills, it's speed DIFFERENCE I vehicle joining a motorway at 30 mph will cause the traffic on the motorway to slow and change lanes to avoid it. If that vehicle is joining the motorway at a suitable speed, it will merge safely."
The 1mph over is a complete red herring. Nothing has changed about speeding tickets or prosecutions. The only thing that has changed is the level of fine given out at magistrates court, if found guilty. It is now a multiplier of weekly wage. That is the only difference to the situation previously. |
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If your driving around and keeping the needle on the speed limit for that area your always going to be at least 3 miles below the speed limit so what's the problem ?
Whet I find more annoying is I drive for a living and keep to the limits, but in a 20 zone a lot of peeps riding my rear bumper trying to intimidate me into speeding up
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"The 1mph extra and you're screwed thing is stupid"
Of corse if your don't for 1 mile over the speed limit that means you're speedo would be reading 34 in a 30mph zone
Just saying |
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Speeding fines should be too high. Why? Because it encourages people not to speed so they don't have to pay a fine. If you want to go fast, go one one of those race track days. The speed limit is there for a reason. Don't risk your life or the lives of others because you feel like you can speed. |
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If speeding cameras were truly safety cameras as I have been informed, they would be outside school, hospitals, built up areas and places where people are vulnerable. As it is, locally, they are crowded into areas where they make a high revenue but not necessarily a big difference to safety. |
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"Speeding fines should be too high. Why? Because it encourages people not to speed so they don't have to pay a fine. If you want to go fast, go one one of those race track days. The speed limit is there for a reason. Don't risk your life or the lives of others because you feel like you can speed. "
The speed limit is the same on open roads(not towns and outside schools where it should be strict) as it was when cars had drum brakes.
No allowance for weather conditions etc etc
Definitely a cash cow |
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"Human reaction times haven't changed though."
Don't see your point ?
Let's say that human reaction times haven't changed and it took for example 300 feet to stop from 70mph in a average car when the limits were set in the sixties and I can stop in 250 feet from say 80mph now that's got to be safer and your not increasing the accidents as I'm traveling faster but stopping in a shorted distance let alone modern cars having abs, traction control, better tyres etc
Like I said previously, in built up areas,bad weather or outside schools I'd clamp down hard on speeding. |
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"its crazy, and doubt will have much effect, cars stop faster than when they put speed limits in, speed limit should be increased even motorways should be increased to 80 "
And then you will get the git going 90 |
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"If speeding cameras were truly safety cameras as I have been informed, they would be outside school, hospitals, built up areas and places where people are vulnerable. As it is, locally, they are crowded into areas where they make a high revenue but not necessarily a big difference to safety. "
I know of a camera near us that is placed on a road that used to have frequent crashes from speeding cars and several deaths. Since the camera there hasnt been any crashes that i have known off and no deaths. |
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One of the best forms of speed control is the use of flashing signs telling you...and all behind you of your speed. It always works as it should to slow you down. It's a form of behavioural change. I think every car should have a flashing speed light if one is speeding.Simple ttechnology that every modern car already has.
I think cars should have a governor which prevents speeding...its there already in cars anyway...just need to connect it up. Slow the car down as it approaches speed restriction or reduced areas. So simple and helps prevent criminalisation, save lives and reduce medical/NHS costs ....the benefits go on... |
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"No chance of speeding on a push bike...."
I beg to differ, only thing is. You can't get prosecuted for it, many a time I have been doing 40 in a 30. According to my Strava app, also fixed speed cameras. |
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"There's no such thing as an accident where driving is concerned. Humans aren't infallible and therefore "accidents" will inevitably occur. High speed collisions are responsible for fatalities on the roads of course, but lack of concentration is by far the greater killer and cause of "accidents"
Needing to add fatalities into road accident statistics is very important to authorities so that they can justify making money out of the death of road accident victims.
Last year Miss C was cross swiped by a truck on a roundabout, knocked off the road and into a tree. The trucker drove off and left her for dead. The police didn't come out to the scene of the accident and have not investigated the case. The roundabout is monitored my police cameras. Bottom line there was no money to be made out of it by the authorities so they couldn't care less. That trucker will probably continue to sideswipe people until he kills someone.
So lets talk about speed enforcement for what it is. A money making scheme build on the death of others."
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"Dunno what people are all so up in arms about. There's less and less enforcement on the roads as days go by.
Speed cameras are easy to spot unless they're blind, and in that case, they shouldn't be driving anyway. There's even websites that publish locations of mobile ones.
Best of all, drive within the limit and treat is as a limit, not a target...and you'll stay fine/points/ban free."
not true.
The police make no attempt to identify who was driving the vehicle. It defaults to the registered vehicle owner if no-one admits to it. So be careful who drivws your car!
Can leave People open to taking blame for a bribe etc..
Its the onky offence i know of where the police dont care who's guilty |
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"Dunno what people are all so up in arms about. There's less and less enforcement on the roads as days go by.
Speed cameras are easy to spot unless they're blind, and in that case, they shouldn't be driving anyway. There's even websites that publish locations of mobile ones.
Best of all, drive within the limit and treat is as a limit, not a target...and you'll stay fine/points/ban free.
not true.
The police make no attempt to identify who was driving the vehicle. It defaults to the registered vehicle owner if no-one admits to it. So be careful who drivws your car!
Can leave People open to taking blame for a bribe etc..
Its the onky offence i know of where the police dont care who's guilty"
You can only give your car to someone insured to drive it. 'Not knowing' who was driving when it was clocked is a great excuse for the less than honest out there otherwise.... |
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Just to add, certain roads have a higher speed limit than normal.. Eg a road in a built up area may look like a 30mph zone but 40mph is allowed. In those cases, reoeated signs are put up.. Little 40mph signs at regular intervals.
If the authorities wete genuinely interested in speed limits, why not repeat 30 and 20mph soeed limit signs? |
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"Just to add, certain roads have a higher speed limit than normal.. Eg a road in a built up area may look like a 30mph zone but 40mph is allowed. In those cases, reoeated signs are put up.. Little 40mph signs at regular intervals.
If the authorities wete genuinely interested in speed limits, why not repeat 30 and 20mph soeed limit signs? "
Because 30mph is the limit in a built up area with street lights. That's the highway code since god knows when. If the limit is different to 30mph, they put up signs. If you don't know driving rules, expect a fine at some stage.... |
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A lot of people just drive around not taking any notice of signs and get caught out becuse they are just going through the motions and not paying attention |
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"Just to add, certain roads have a higher speed limit than normal.. Eg a road in a built up area may look like a 30mph zone but 40mph is allowed. In those cases, reoeated signs are put up.. Little 40mph signs at regular intervals.
If the authorities wete genuinely interested in speed limits, why not repeat 30 and 20mph soeed limit signs?
Because 30mph is the limit in a built up area with street lights. That's the highway code since god knows when. If the limit is different to 30mph, they put up signs. If you don't know driving rules, expect a fine at some stage...."
Yes i agree.. BUT if the authorities want safer roads wouldn't it be better to have repeated signage? |
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"Just to add, certain roads have a higher speed limit than normal.. Eg a road in a built up area may look like a 30mph zone but 40mph is allowed. In those cases, reoeated signs are put up.. Little 40mph signs at regular intervals.
If the authorities wete genuinely interested in speed limits, why not repeat 30 and 20mph soeed limit signs?
Because 30mph is the limit in a built up area with street lights. That's the highway code since god knows when. If the limit is different to 30mph, they put up signs. If you don't know driving rules, expect a fine at some stage....
Yes i agree.. BUT if the authorities want safer roads wouldn't it be better to have repeated signage? "
I would hope that people who are able to drive would have good enough brain and memory ability to not need repeated signage in an area that has an obvious speed limit.
People should take responsibility for themselves and drive correctly. |
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