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"Are you ready for this .... all this poated here applies to a 30mph zone but is relevant to all speed limits on all public roads: Band A: Just 1mph above the speed limit will now get you 3 points and 100% (rising to 150% dependent upon the speed) fine of your weekly wage up to 40mph in a 30mph zone Band B: 41-50mph gets you 4/6 points or 7 to 28 days ban Band C: 51mph or above - banned 7 to 56 days and 6 points automatically Same applies to the new(ish) 20mph zones applied to ALL new housing estates built post 2015 Maximum fine £2500 but most people will pay 100% to 150% of their weekely wages. Still want to vote Tory?" wasnt going to vote tory anyway .glad these are coming out might slow down some of thr idiots who trear point & fines as an occupational hazard dont break the speed limit and the fines wont apply | |||
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"I suspect that 'regulations' is perhaps the wrong word. 'Penalties' would be more appropriate. The regulations have not changed, if you think about it. It is still an offence to drive above the posted speed limit. In response to the body of your post though, I would say that those who stick to the limits will have no cause for concern "Agreed
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"Are you ready for this .... all this poated here applies to a 30mph zone but is relevant to all speed limits on all public roads: Band A: Just 1mph above the speed limit will now get you 3 points and 100% (rising to 150% dependent upon the speed) fine of your weekly wage up to 40mph in a 30mph zone Band B: 41-50mph gets you 4/6 points or 7 to 28 days ban Band C: 51mph or above - banned 7 to 56 days and 6 points automatically Same applies to the new(ish) 20mph zones applied to ALL new housing estates built post 2015 Maximum fine £2500 but most people will pay 100% to 150% of their weekely wages. Still want to vote Tory?" What do you think would be a better alternative to this OP? | |||
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"Are you ready for this .... all this poated here applies to a 30mph zone but is relevant to all speed limits on all public roads: Band A: Just 1mph above the speed limit will now get you 3 points and 100% (rising to 150% dependent upon the speed) fine of your weekly wage up to 40mph in a 30mph zone Band B: 41-50mph gets you 4/6 points or 7 to 28 days ban Band C: 51mph or above - banned 7 to 56 days and 6 points automatically Same applies to the new(ish) 20mph zones applied to ALL new housing estates built post 2015 Maximum fine £2500 but most people will pay 100% to 150% of their weekely wages. Still want to vote Tory?" That's rubbish we all know the UK is completely unable to make any of its own rules , laws or regulations all stupid penalties that aim to prevent death and injury only come from a totally unelected European elite, sooner we leave the eu the sooner the Tory party with a majority over 50 percent will of course vote for can instruct the will of the English people and remove all speed related laws  | |||
"So if a premiership footballer training for 40 hours per week and earning £100000 a week is fined £2500.....it represents an hour's pay? For most of us it may represent a months pay or a few months of spare cash. I am all in favour of punitive action against speeders but make it equally as painful for those that have higher incomes. " This. Even £100 for some with a good job its a bummer. For a single mum working part-time thats a weeks money. | |||
"Are you ready for this .... all this poated here applies to a 30mph zone but is relevant to all speed limits on all public roads: Band A: Just 1mph above the speed limit will now get you 3 points and 100% (rising to 150% dependent upon the speed) fine of your weekly wage up to 40mph in a 30mph zone Band B: 41-50mph gets you 4/6 points or 7 to 28 days ban Band C: 51mph or above - banned 7 to 56 days and 6 points automatically Same applies to the new(ish) 20mph zones applied to ALL new housing estates built post 2015 Maximum fine £2500 but most people will pay 100% to 150% of their weekely wages. Still want to vote Tory?" Would never vote tory.....but to those who do! This is a taste of things to come.....always under the guise of it being good for us  | |||
"So if a premiership footballer training for 40 hours per week and earning £100000 a week is fined £2500.....it represents an hour's pay? For most of us it may represent a months pay or a few months of spare cash. I am all in favour of punitive action against speeders but make it equally as painful for those that have higher incomes. " Crimes are largely committed on impulse. Impulse decisions do not consider the consequences and therefore increased punishments do little to deter crime. They just serve to make certain people feel morally justified about themselves. | |||
"Are you ready for this .... all this poated here applies to a 30mph zone but is relevant to all speed limits on all public roads: Band A: Just 1mph above the speed limit will now get you 3 points and 100% (rising to 150% dependent upon the speed) fine of your weekly wage up to 40mph in a 30mph zone Band B: 41-50mph gets you 4/6 points or 7 to 28 days ban Band C: 51mph or above - banned 7 to 56 days and 6 points automatically Same applies to the new(ish) 20mph zones applied to ALL new housing estates built post 2015 Maximum fine £2500 but most people will pay 100% to 150% of their weekely wages. Still want to vote Tory?" If people are stupid enough to drive like idiots, speeding, d*unk, taking selfies, applying make up, talking to their mates on handheld, or drugged up, does it matter what political party, is in charge? Thick, dopey cunts. | |||
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"Are you ready for this .... all this poated here applies to a 30mph zone but is relevant to all speed limits on all public roads: Band A: Just 1mph above the speed limit will now get you 3 points and 100% (rising to 150% dependent upon the speed) fine of your weekly wage up to 40mph in a 30mph zone Band B: 41-50mph gets you 4/6 points or 7 to 28 days ban Band C: 51mph or above - banned 7 to 56 days and 6 points automatically Same applies to the new(ish) 20mph zones applied to ALL new housing estates built post 2015 Maximum fine £2500 but most people will pay 100% to 150% of their weekely wages. Still want to vote Tory? If people are stupid enough to drive like idiots, speeding, d*unk, taking selfies, applying make up, talking to their mates on handheld, or drugged up, does it matter what political party, is in charge? Thick, dopey cunts. " Not a word that will do you any good on here! And there was no mention of drink/drug driving or using mobiles in the op. I'd stick to the original post if I were you  | |||
"Love to see the official source of this information." https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/item/speeding-revised-2017/ | |||
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"Are you ready for this .... all this poated here applies to a 30mph zone but is relevant to all speed limits on all public roads: Band A: Just 1mph above the speed limit will now get you 3 points and 100% (rising to 150% dependent upon the speed) fine of your weekly wage up to 40mph in a 30mph zone Band B: 41-50mph gets you 4/6 points or 7 to 28 days ban Band C: 51mph or above - banned 7 to 56 days and 6 points automatically Same applies to the new(ish) 20mph zones applied to ALL new housing estates built post 2015 Maximum fine £2500 but most people will pay 100% to 150% of their weekely wages. Still want to vote Tory? If people are stupid enough to drive like idiots, speeding, d*unk, taking selfies, applying make up, talking to their mates on handheld, or drugged up, does it matter what political party, is in charge? Thick, dopey cunts. Not a word that will do you any good on here! And there was no mention of drink/drug driving or using mobiles in the op. I'd stick to the original post if I were you "The thread was about, motoring penalty guidelines supposedly in the scheme, with current UK government. Similar law is in use, amongst other countries. It's irrelevant what political party, is in control, any method that aids idiotic driving, is a positive. Im aware of what the thread mentions, and the added elements, merely reflect the level of dopeyness, prevalent, in everyday driving, most of us see or encounter daily. I say what I think, and cunt driving, is just that. Attended 3 funerals of friends, when driver who killed them, was : speeding / d*unk & speeding / d*unk, drugged & speeding without licence. | |||
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"Speedos have to over read by law, so if you are indicating 30mph the chances are that your true speed is lower. In my works van the speedo is showing 32mph when the sat nav is showing a true 30mph and the over read is the same at 40, 50 and 50 mph, a consistent 2mph error. " except on tachograph equipped vehicles which have to be calibrated so thats everything of 3.5t gvw | |||
"Are you ready for this .... all this poated here applies to a 30mph zone but is relevant to all speed limits on all public roads: Band A: Just 1mph above the speed limit will now get you 3 points and 100% (rising to 150% dependent upon the speed) fine of your weekly wage up to 40mph in a 30mph zone Band B: 41-50mph gets you 4/6 points or 7 to 28 days ban Band C: 51mph or above - banned 7 to 56 days and 6 points automatically Same applies to the new(ish) 20mph zones applied to ALL new housing estates built post 2015 Maximum fine £2500 but most people will pay 100% to 150% of their weekely wages. Still want to vote Tory?" . I think this is a great, why didnt they do it years ago | |||
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"Speedos have to over read by law, so if you are indicating 30mph the chances are that your true speed is lower. In my works van the speedo is showing 32mph when the sat nav is showing a true 30mph and the over read is the same at 40, 50 and 50 mph, a consistent 2mph error. " . Thats impossible. It can be a consistent % error maybe but cant be a fixed speed error | |||
"I think that you should stop getting all your news from the Daily Mirror, or whichever other sensationalist tabloid that you read. The information that you quote relates to sentencing guidelines for the courts. No one is going to be sent to court for being 1mph over the speed limit. The court system would grind to a halt. The fixed penalty system remains in place. Therefore if Wayne Rooney is caught doing 35 in a 30 zone, he is only going to get 3 points and a £100 fine just like you or I. Only if Wayne is caught doing 45 in a 30 zone, and is sent to Court, is any of what you talk about going to apply. In practice, no one is going to get a ticket for being only just over the limit. No speed camera is set for the limit, they only trigger above the limit. The police guidelines say the same. They do not stop you for doing 31 in a 30 zone. They allow a margin, because of the inaccuracy of speedometers and to stop people from starting at the speedometer and not the road. Speed awareness courses remain in place as an alternative to fines and points, for people just over the limit, so in practice, Wayne would be offered one if he was caught doing 35 in a 30 zone. The police like those courses, because they educate drivers, and more importantly they get to keep the money that they make from the course, whereas the fines go straight to Philip Hammond!" . Wrong!. Come to angelsey, theres a zero tolerance limit and has been for years | |||
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"Speedos have to over read by law, so if you are indicating 30mph the chances are that your true speed is lower. In my works van the speedo is showing 32mph when the sat nav is showing a true 30mph and the over read is the same at 40, 50 and 50 mph, a consistent 2mph error. . Thats impossible. It can be a consistent % error maybe but cant be a fixed speed error" It it's analogue then it's cam be a fixed 2mph discrepancy | |||
"Speedos have to over read by law, so if you are indicating 30mph the chances are that your true speed is lower. In my works van the speedo is showing 32mph when the sat nav is showing a true 30mph and the over read is the same at 40, 50 and 50 mph, a consistent 2mph error. . Thats impossible. It can be a consistent % error maybe but cant be a fixed speed error" How can it be impossible? It's how it is on the vans I drive and on a number of BMW motorcycles I have owned the error has been a consistent 2-3mph over read throughout a wide range of speeds. With modern electronic speedos it is entirely possible to lock in such an over read. | |||
"Speedos have to over read by law, so if you are indicating 30mph the chances are that your true speed is lower. In my works van the speedo is showing 32mph when the sat nav is showing a true 30mph and the over read is the same at 40, 50 and 50 mph, a consistent 2mph error. . Thats impossible. It can be a consistent % error maybe but cant be a fixed speed error How can it be impossible? It's how it is on the vans I drive and on a number of BMW motorcycles I have owned the error has been a consistent 2-3mph over read throughout a wide range of speeds. With modern electronic speedos it is entirely possible to lock in such an over read." . So your saying the Speedo is 100% accurate at all speeds but they then add on 2mph just to be sure??. | |||
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"Nonsense. There is a tolerance." . No there isnt. I can assure you the police on Angelsey have and do issue tickets for 31- 32mph on a 30mph road | |||
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"No they don't. And even if they did, the 31/32 would be the speed that their laser equipment records accurately. Your speedo will be showing 35 at least, so that you know you are well over the limit. They also offer speed awareness courses just like everywhere else, so no one is going to court for 32mph and getting massive fines, which is what the person who started this thread suggested." . I will repeat what the chief constable of North Wales said. 10% +2mph is a government guideline on enforcement? Note a guideline not legally binding. Any north Wales police officer is legally allowed to enforce a 1 mph over the limit offence! | |||
"How does an electronic Speedo differ from a non electronic Speedo out of curiosity?" Older speedos were driven by a mechanical drive that was linked to one of the wheels and then a cable would connect to the drive at one end and the speedo at the other and would drive the speedo. Electronic speedos rely on an electronic signal which is picked up and passed on through an electrical cable and gives the information to the speedo. On some bikes the sensor that provides the speed information is done via the ABS ring fitted to one of the wheels. | |||
" So your saying the Speedo is 100% accurate at all speeds but they then add on 2mph just to be sure??. " No, EU regulations laid down speedo accuracy and they have said a speedo must over read, and by a maximum of 10% + 2.5 mph. My Honda Crosstourer was exactly 10% across it's speed range so within the permitted allowance. | |||
" So your saying the Speedo is 100% accurate at all speeds but they then add on 2mph just to be sure??. No, EU regulations laid down speedo accuracy and they have said a speedo must over read, and by a maximum of 10% + 2.5 mph. My Honda Crosstourer was exactly 10% across it's speed range so within the permitted allowance." . That was my original point. 10% isnt 2mph throughout the speed range its 2mph at 20 but 7mph at 70?. | |||
"How does an electronic Speedo differ from a non electronic Speedo out of curiosity? Older speedos were driven by a mechanical drive that was linked to one of the wheels and then a cable would connect to the drive at one end and the speedo at the other and would drive the speedo. Electronic speedos rely on an electronic signal which is picked up and passed on through an electrical cable and gives the information to the speedo. On some bikes the sensor that provides the speed information is done via the ABS ring fitted to one of the wheels." without being technical theres technically only one main difference. The electronic doesnt wear with age?. Thats why they were designed to over read at new | |||
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"No they don't. And even if they did, the 31/32 would be the speed that their laser equipment records accurately. Your speedo will be showing 35 at least, so that you know you are well over the limit. They also offer speed awareness courses just like everywhere else, so no one is going to court for 32mph and getting massive fines, which is what the person who started this thread suggested.. I will repeat what the chief constable of North Wales said. 10% +2mph is a government guideline on enforcement? Note a guideline not legally binding. Any north Wales police officer is legally allowed to enforce a 1 mph over the limit offence!" They may wish to enforce however they cannot.. The police have to abide by BS EN ISO 9001 and EN ISO/IEC 17025:2005 and as such have to take the total inaccuracy of the system (uncertainty of measurement) in use and not just the calibrated tolerance of the single item. They also cannot take into account the value that a cars speedometer may read above the actual speed as this is uncalibrated and cannot be relied upon. There are too many variables to be accurate to within a few mph. This is why most police forces will not prosecute for less than 36 in a 30 and 80 in a 70. It just isn't worth the time and effort should it be contested being able to prove that the actual speed the driver read was beyond the legal limit. I suggest that Angelsy constabulary are not applying rules they can quantify and should therefore be confronted to supply evidence of how they are able to achieve what no other police force in the country are able to. | |||
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" If these new fines save one extra life they are worth it. " By that logic then why not just ban all driving and you would have saved 1,810 lives last year. It's impossible to have a population of human drivers and zero casualties. | |||
"No they don't. And even if they did, the 31/32 would be the speed that their laser equipment records accurately. Your speedo will be showing 35 at least, so that you know you are well over the limit. They also offer speed awareness courses just like everywhere else, so no one is going to court for 32mph and getting massive fines, which is what the person who started this thread suggested.. I will repeat what the chief constable of North Wales said. 10% +2mph is a government guideline on enforcement? Note a guideline not legally binding. Any north Wales police officer is legally allowed to enforce a 1 mph over the limit offence! They may wish to enforce however they cannot.. The police have to abide by BS EN ISO 9001 and EN ISO/IEC 17025:2005 and as such have to take the total inaccuracy of the system (uncertainty of measurement) in use and not just the calibrated tolerance of the single item. They also cannot take into account the value that a cars speedometer may read above the actual speed as this is uncalibrated and cannot be relied upon. There are too many variables to be accurate to within a few mph. This is why most police forces will not prosecute for less than 36 in a 30 and 80 in a 70. It just isn't worth the time and effort should it be contested being able to prove that the actual speed the driver read was beyond the legal limit. I suggest that Angelsy constabulary are not applying rules they can quantify and should therefore be confronted to supply evidence of how they are able to achieve what no other police force in the country are able to. " . I dont make the policy, i was commenting on the notion that you wont face a prosecution for 33 in a 30, you do in North Wales | |||
"No they don't. And even if they did, the 31/32 would be the speed that their laser equipment records accurately. Your speedo will be showing 35 at least, so that you know you are well over the limit. They also offer speed awareness courses just like everywhere else, so no one is going to court for 32mph and getting massive fines, which is what the person who started this thread suggested.. I will repeat what the chief constable of North Wales said. 10% +2mph is a government guideline on enforcement? Note a guideline not legally binding. Any north Wales police officer is legally allowed to enforce a 1 mph over the limit offence! They may wish to enforce however they cannot.. The police have to abide by BS EN ISO 9001 and EN ISO/IEC 17025:2005 and as such have to take the total inaccuracy of the system (uncertainty of measurement) in use and not just the calibrated tolerance of the single item. They also cannot take into account the value that a cars speedometer may read above the actual speed as this is uncalibrated and cannot be relied upon. There are too many variables to be accurate to within a few mph. This is why most police forces will not prosecute for less than 36 in a 30 and 80 in a 70. It just isn't worth the time and effort should it be contested being able to prove that the actual speed the driver read was beyond the legal limit. I suggest that Angelsy constabulary are not applying rules they can quantify and should therefore be confronted to supply evidence of how they are able to achieve what no other police force in the country are able to. " . Also how does that fit in with gantry fixed distance average speed cameras. If your average speed is 71mph are you telling me thats not enforceable as well? | |||
" So your saying the Speedo is 100% accurate at all speeds but they then add on 2mph just to be sure??. No, EU regulations laid down speedo accuracy and they have said a speedo must over read, and by a maximum of 10% + 2.5 mph. My Honda Crosstourer was exactly 10% across it's speed range so within the permitted allowance.. That was my original point. 10% isnt 2mph throughout the speed range its 2mph at 20 but 7mph at 70?. " That was on that particular bike. It hasn't been the case on several BMW's I have owned with electronic speedos. | |||
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"How does an electronic Speedo differ from a non electronic Speedo out of curiosity? Older speedos were driven by a mechanical drive that was linked to one of the wheels and then a cable would connect to the drive at one end and the speedo at the other and would drive the speedo. Electronic speedos rely on an electronic signal which is picked up and passed on through an electrical cable and gives the information to the speedo. On some bikes the sensor that provides the speed information is done via the ABS ring fitted to one of the wheels. without being technical theres technically only one main difference. The electronic doesnt wear with age?. Thats why they were designed to over read at new" My experience of mechanical speedos is that the cable will break, not the mechanical drive. Another factor is tyre wear. A brand new tyre will have a different rolling radius when compared with a worn tyre, so that will affect it as well. | |||
"Whats the Tories got to do with this? Would Labour encourage breaking the law if they were in charge? " Misinformation by the OP is the most likely reason. | |||
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" If these new fines save one extra life they are worth it. By that logic then why not just ban all driving and you would have saved 1,810 lives last year. It's impossible to have a population of human drivers and zero casualties. " Because there is a direct link between excessive unsafe speed and deaths caused by it. So if making drivers drive slower and safer it will save lives. People slip/trip over and die but we don't ban walking. People c hoke whilst eating but we don't bad eating. You can't always eliminate risk but you can reduce it. That's why i didn't say bad cars. | |||
" If these new fines save one extra life they are worth it. By that logic then why not just ban all driving and you would have saved 1,810 lives last year. It's impossible to have a population of human drivers and zero casualties. Because there is a direct link between excessive unsafe speed and deaths caused by it. So if making drivers drive slower and safer it will save lives. People slip/trip over and die but we don't ban walking. People c hoke whilst eating but we don't bad eating. You can't always eliminate risk but you can reduce it. That's why i didn't say bad cars. " But surely you can see that it gets to the point that if you make roads slow enough then driving becomes pointless? I'm not disputing that there are unsafe speeds but in reading we have a 'smart' motorway which is perpetually 50 limited for some unknown reason and has one of the worst accident rates in the country. | |||
" If these new fines save one extra life they are worth it. By that logic then why not just ban all driving and you would have saved 1,810 lives last year. It's impossible to have a population of human drivers and zero casualties. Because there is a direct link between excessive unsafe speed and deaths caused by it. So if making drivers drive slower and safer it will save lives. People slip/trip over and die but we don't ban walking. People c hoke whilst eating but we don't bad eating. You can't always eliminate risk but you can reduce it. That's why i didn't say bad cars. But surely you can see that it gets to the point that if you make roads slow enough then driving becomes pointless? I'm not disputing that there are unsafe speeds but in reading we have a 'smart' motorway which is perpetually 50 limited for some unknown reason and has one of the worst accident rates in the country. " . Theres loads of evidence that shows reducing the speed to 50 actually speeds up your journey coz nitwits stop ramming into each others arses | |||
"No they don't. And even if they did, the 31/32 would be the speed that their laser equipment records accurately. Your speedo will be showing 35 at least, so that you know you are well over the limit. They also offer speed awareness courses just like everywhere else, so no one is going to court for 32mph and getting massive fines, which is what the person who started this thread suggested.. I will repeat what the chief constable of North Wales said. 10% +2mph is a government guideline on enforcement? Note a guideline not legally binding. Any north Wales police officer is legally allowed to enforce a 1 mph over the limit offence!" I was told something similar when I attended a speed awareness course 2 years ago, Having received most of the points I used to have in North Wales I can also agree that they don't give you any leeway there, I drive faster then the speed limit at times, Not what I would consider recklessly but in the eyes of the law over the limit, If I get caught I will except the fine, But I do think they should concentrate more on drink/drug drivers and the uninsured | |||
" If these new fines save one extra life they are worth it. By that logic then why not just ban all driving and you would have saved 1,810 lives last year. It's impossible to have a population of human drivers and zero casualties. Because there is a direct link between excessive unsafe speed and deaths caused by it. So if making drivers drive slower and safer it will save lives. People slip/trip over and die but we don't ban walking. People c hoke whilst eating but we don't bad eating. You can't always eliminate risk but you can reduce it. That's why i didn't say bad cars. But surely you can see that it gets to the point that if you make roads slow enough then driving becomes pointless? I'm not disputing that there are unsafe speeds but in reading we have a 'smart' motorway which is perpetually 50 limited for some unknown reason and has one of the worst accident rates in the country. " And I'm not proposing that we drive at 1 mph. I am however supporting road safety. As demonstrated by experiments excessive speed does not get you to your destination much quicker due to other road users/traffic lights etc etc. It can and does result in you or other people getting to an unwanted destination - the morgue - much much faster than intended. As they say 'better 10 minutes late to your destination than 2 minutes early to your funeral'. Driving at 60mph instead of 30mph will not get you to your destination twice as fast on the UK's roads. The 'smart' motorway is not causing the accidents, it is the drivers on the motorway. | |||
" If these new fines save one extra life they are worth it. By that logic then why not just ban all driving and you would have saved 1,810 lives last year. It's impossible to have a population of human drivers and zero casualties. Because there is a direct link between excessive unsafe speed and deaths caused by it. So if making drivers drive slower and safer it will save lives. People slip/trip over and die but we don't ban walking. People c hoke whilst eating but we don't bad eating. You can't always eliminate risk but you can reduce it. That's why i didn't say bad cars. But surely you can see that it gets to the point that if you make roads slow enough then driving becomes pointless? I'm not disputing that there are unsafe speeds but in reading we have a 'smart' motorway which is perpetually 50 limited for some unknown reason and has one of the worst accident rates in the country. And I'm not proposing that we drive at 1 mph. I am however supporting road safety. As demonstrated by experiments excessive speed does not get you to your destination much quicker due to other road users/traffic lights etc etc. It can and does result in you or other people getting to an unwanted destination - the morgue - much much faster than intended. As they say 'better 10 minutes late to your destination than 2 minutes early to your funeral'. Driving at 60mph instead of 30mph will not get you to your destination twice as fast on the UK's roads. The 'smart' motorway is not causing the accidents, it is the drivers on the motorway. " I understand what you are saying, i have no problem with 30 pmh in built up areas, as you say they need traffic lights and other things so it makes little difference. My objection is more motorways. 50 mph on a motoway isn't a smart motorway its just a pointless motorway. | |||
"Whats the Tories got to do with this? Would Labour encourage breaking the law if they were in charge? " | |||
Electric Speedos are exceptionally accurate
Old school mechanical could indeed run at a percentage due to the magnet
However on an electric drive a percentage inaccuracy is very low and indeed a mph reduction IS used , it is correct both tyre wear and pressure would have a percentage effect but a rather small one for example a 175 70 14 tyre has a diameter of 590 mm and a wear total tread depth wear of 12 mm 590/12 * 100 = 2.1 percent , bearing in mind the Speedo calibrated for tyres at minimum tread
depth so at Speedo reading 70 on new tyres will be 2 percent lower than true compared to worn that's a whole 1.4 mph variance over time based upon quite small (not smallest) tyres
Now I may or may not agree with the set limits or indeed the enforcement or penalties for exceeding them but I do know what the word limit means and that if caught exceeding them the 10 percent rule or blaming Speedo inaccuracies are not applicable
So if traveling at 30 based upon Speedo , and the inaccuracy is 2 percent less 2 mph your real speed would be 27.5 if safety data illustrates that exceeding a real 30 mph becomes exponentially more likely of serious injury or death is the easily miss read 32.5 mark on the Speedo and the extra 2.5 mph and the 5 mins on an hour's journey worth the risk of both life and
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"1mph is ridiculous considering most speedos aren't as accurate as you might think. Try driving at 40 mph on the speedo and see what speed your sat nav thinks you are doing" Firstly your speedo will always tell you that you are going faster than you are (unless you modify your car with really BIG wheels), so you're not going to be fooled into speeding by an inaccurate speedo. Secondly, there has NEVER been a legal tolerance on speed... 1mph too fast has always been enough for a prosecution. Cal | |||
"Nonsense. There is a tolerance.. No there isnt. I can assure you the police on Angelsey have and do issue tickets for 31- 32mph on a 30mph road" Didn't North Wales police commission consider speeding akin to murder too... | |||
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"Obviously not speeding is to simple a solution to avoiding these outrageous punishments. " that was my thought, why we speeding anyhow? chill, set off earlier, enjoy your drive, save some fuel, what's the rush? sit a mile or two per hour below | |||
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"Due to lack of calibration there is always a margin of drift, 10% is recognised by both ACPO and the courts as a tolerance, the plus 2 is more of a discretionary move and varies by county and individual officer. I hear many cases where there are defences on the +2 element, sadly unless you have a specialist solicitor they generally have the prosecution upheld!" That makes no sense xxx if your Speedo could read 30 and your actual speed was 32 you would make sense however it's the other way round Yes your honour, I was aware my Speedo read 33 but a web site called fab said my Speedo might be 10 percent out so I hoped it was ? If you stick to 30 on your Speedo there is no ambiguity . | |||
"Welcome to Tory Britain- brace yourself, it will only get worse for your wallet if you vote them back in "So another party would advocate that's it okay to speed? I think whoever is in government right now is fairly irrelevant to this. | |||
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"Are you ready for this .... all this poated here applies to a 30mph zone but is relevant to all speed limits on all public roads: Band A: Just 1mph above the speed limit will now get you 3 points and 100% (rising to 150% dependent upon the speed) fine of your weekly wage up to 40mph in a 30mph zone Band B: 41-50mph gets you 4/6 points or 7 to 28 days ban Band C: 51mph or above - banned 7 to 56 days and 6 points automatically Same applies to the new(ish) 20mph zones applied to ALL new housing estates built post 2015 Maximum fine £2500 but most people will pay 100% to 150% of their weekely wages. Still want to vote Tory?" crazy but im still voting tory, as ukip have no chance again sadly, and labour is even worse making labour citys 20mph on most roads like bristol, i can cycle faster. wasting more fuel and pointless. green is just a weird lot. | |||
"It's heavily influenced by your tyre tread depth, calibration is done when new with new tyres, as they wear the calibration drifts, hence the allowance, also why the correct tyre fitment is important, a good method to check is by using GPS navigation, that is much more accurate "No they are calculated with tyres with 1.6 mm minimum tread depth x and as mathematically proven this only equates to 1.4 mph drift at 70 real speed on 175 70 14 tyres x thus almost insignificant xxx | |||
"It's heavily influenced by your tyre tread depth, calibration is done when new with new tyres, as they wear the calibration drifts, hence the allowance, also why the correct tyre fitment is important, a good method to check is by using GPS navigation, that is much more accurate
No they are calculated with tyres with 1.6 mm minimum tread depth x and as mathematically proven this only equates to 1.4 mph drift at 70 real speed on 175 70 14 tyres x thus almost insignificant xxx "Mira tests suggest otherwise, but hey, let you be your own judge so to speak  | |||
"most speedometers are analogue so the difference between 30-31 is tiny/" That's why most police work on 10%+2 MPH when speeding is concerned | |||
"It's heavily influenced by your tyre tread depth, calibration is done when new with new tyres, as they wear the calibration drifts, hence the allowance, also why the correct tyre fitment is important, a good method to check is by using GPS navigation, that is much more accurate
No they are calculated with tyres with 1.6 mm minimum tread depth x and as mathematically proven this only equates to 1.4 mph drift at 70 real speed on 175 70 14 tyres x thus almost insignificant xxx
Mira tests suggest otherwise, but hey, let you be your own judge so to speak "Very good I live 4 miles away and go testing there regularly ? I'll re check my maths and data xxx Ok a wheel with diameter of 600 mm less than average Tread new 8 mm Tread worn 2 mm Thus diameter reduction of 12 mm Percentage reduction of circumference =12/600 ×100 That's 2 percent 70 mph legal maximum on any UK road 2 percent of 70 is 10 percent 7 1 percent .7 mph 2 percent 1.4 Now forgive my subjectivity but I don't think 1.4 mph is significant at 70 and at 30 that would equate to approximately .5 mph | |||
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"Welcome to Tory Britain- brace yourself, it will only get worse for your wallet if you vote them back in
So another party would advocate that's it okay to speed? I think whoever is in government right now is fairly irrelevant to this."You don't think they will fleece your wallet given a slight chance? Best of luck with that | |||
