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By *emima_puddlefuck OP   Couple  over a year ago

hexham

So, i'm close to leaving the forums cos it seems any attempt to explain why some people may be offended by certain terms is just defined as PC crap.

Now i have never seen the problem with political correctness..it to me means not using words that might hurt someone else because who wants to cause pain to another human being?

i don't swear in front of my gran,i dont use words that others might consider offensive,to me that is just good manners.

Can any one give me one good reason to stay amongst ppl who will not consider the feelings of others

This is not a look at me thread,more an attempt to consider why it is deemed ok to be rude if you are not being PC.Why do people want to upset and offend people?

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By *ushroom7Man  over a year ago

Bradford

You've said it yourself :"not using words that might hurt someone".

How is anyone supposed to know what "might" hurt someone?

How does anyone know what i might find offensive?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

well to me its ur opinion and ur entitled to it of course, fortunately or unfortunately there is too many differing types of people here, i actually have had fall outs, formed certain opinions about ppl i havent even met its wrong i know,on the PC front theres certain things Ive read that ive not liked...comments about people saying one group of people are stupid because they type the way they choose(or the only way they know how),Rgardless of what is beliveved to be a "filthy" mouth, or an uncouth unsavoury character...its hardly reflective to what that person may be like in person.Some people including myself like to get their point accross in a discussion...but if i was out at a party with the lot of u and we started discussing forum shite, i'd walk away and join another group of people, really just trying to say: maybe actually when u meet people our opinions wont matter as much as we should really be having fun and doing possibly some other things we like.

there is no way we can reflect eachothers _iews here is there, maybe just avoiding any forums that make the blood boil might help...of course on the other hand just carry on doing what u do...if u fall out with some, so be it.I had a nice mail yesterday from someone, basically havin their last word during a closed thread..I'd give them a smile if i met them on the street etc/....migt even ask for a session.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Sticks n stones may break your bones but if admin deem it offensive they will remove it. If not then you are stuck with it.

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By *ushroom7Man  over a year ago

Bradford

Also : "if you are not being PC"

"Not being", as in acting up? How many people are truly and genuinely PC by nature? 1%, 2%?

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By *andy muncherMan  over a year ago

Nottingham


"well to me its ur opinion and ur entitled to it of course, fortunately or unfortunately there is too many differing types of people here, i actually have had fall outs, formed certain opinions about ppl i havent even met its wrong i know,on the PC front theres certain things Ive read that ive not liked...comments about people saying one group of people are stupid because they type the way they choose(or the only way they know how),Rgardless of what is beliveved to be a "filthy" mouth, or an uncouth unsavoury character...its hardly reflective to what that person may be like in person.Some people including myself like to get their point accross in a discussion...but if i was out at a party with the lot of u and we started discussing forum shite, i'd walk away and join another group of people, really just trying to say: maybe actually when u meet people our opinions wont matter as much as we should really be having fun and doing possibly some other things we like.

there is no way we can reflect eachothers _iews here is there, maybe just avoiding any forums that make the blood boil might help...of course on the other hand just carry on doing what u do...if u fall out with some, so be it.I had a nice mail yesterday from someone, basically havin their last word during a closed thread..I'd give them a smile if i met them on the street etc/....migt even ask for a session."

well said it can be hard on here some times but take the rough with the smooth and dont let the gits grind you down us good guys always win in the end

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"well to me its ur opinion and ur entitled to it of course, fortunately or unfortunately there is too many differing types of people here, i actually have had fall outs, formed certain opinions about ppl i havent even met its wrong i know,on the PC front theres certain things Ive read that ive not liked...comments about people saying one group of people are stupid because they type the way they choose(or the only way they know how),Rgardless of what is beliveved to be a "filthy" mouth, or an uncouth unsavoury character...its hardly reflective to what that person may be like in person.Some people including myself like to get their point accross in a discussion...but if i was out at a party with the lot of u and we started discussing forum shite, i'd walk away and join another group of people, really just trying to say: maybe actually when u meet people our opinions wont matter as much as we should really be having fun and doing possibly some other things we like.

there is no way we can reflect eachothers _iews here is there, maybe just avoiding any forums that make the blood boil might help...of course on the other hand just carry on doing what u do...if u fall out with some, so be it.I had a nice mail yesterday from someone, basically havin their last word during a closed thread..I'd give them a smile if i met them on the street etc/....migt even ask for a session.

well said it can be hard on here some times but take the rough with the smooth and dont let the gits grind you down us good guys always win in the end "

Always up for a hard grind and as a guy its always good to be on top

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By *ushroom7Man  over a year ago

Bradford

The Milf thread in Swingers chat is an interesting read, may well be the source of the rant.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Jem its no different in the chatrooms, I agree with what someone above said that, to one person something may be offensive and yet it may tickle another person.

I myself find people that leave price tags, on the bottom of their shoes offensive, but hey maybe I am a little bit to sensitive

Also in chat, a little power makes little people feel powerful!...but again you can't fight it.......... next lol

I have often noticed in the forums, that some people do deliberately go out of there way to cause, lets say not offence but more controversy. I am sure we all have our own opinions as to why they do this.....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

This is the web. There is a cartoon of a fellow being called to bed by his girlfriend, but he can't go because "somebody is *wrong* on the internet!".

But seriously, this is one of the more moderate forums on the web, people are even relatively polite here. If you went to 4chan's /b/ board and mentioned you were a woman, they would tell you "tits or get the fuck out".

Although in civil society this would be appalling, it is frequently noted that the imageboards such as /b/ are the most free places to have any kind of discussion.

Civil society is the Ego. Facebook is an example of the electronic version. It's polite company, people are busily gardening their reputations, but nobody has a serious discussion about anything that's remotely relevant to reality for fear of looking like a freak.

Uncivil society is the ID. 4chan is good example of this online. Everyone is Anonymous, nobody has names. In this type of society, you have complete freedom to discuss anything, there is no such thing as reputation, who you are is built on precisely what you last said, nothing more. it's a very creative place which attracts the geeks, the hackers, the people who quite literally will be the movers and shakers of tomorrow. On the other hand, it is also filled with illegal pornography, dangerous types of information and criminals doing business.

So; each type of forum usually lies in the middle of these two extremes. Somewhere between order and anarchy. Both are important, both have their pitfalls, but ultimately they are just mirrors of the human psyche.

tl;dr Chill out and listen to nyah cat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH2-TGUlwu4

The world makes more sense after nyah cat!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

some times i feel this way to

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By *iewMan  over a year ago
Forum Mod

Angus & Findhorn

Why would you leave?

You have strong _iews on certain issues so will always clash with someone on here..and some may not get your preferred lifestyle so that also effects how 'some' react towards you.

There are the baiters, the responders, the candid, the sheep, the honest, the bullshitters, the googlers,the agree with everything to empty a scrotum types and many more on here... That's why it is a laugh... Nothing more, nothing less.

You should never let it get to you.. Easier said than done at times... I have exercised my golden rule of maximum 3 posts in a wee exchange with someone... Then I walk. Works fine for me.

Remember some will have had numerous name changes and be out to forum shadow you... Baiting and sniping... More to be pitied than laughed at is my _iew on them.

I log on with the intention of laughing.... I log off laughing... Either at the funny lines on the forum.. Or the serious in a white hot rage cause someone disagrees with them.

For some, portraying super intelligence is as important as portraying being super hung.. And good on them I say... It attracts similar and a possible opportunity to meet.

Never ever say you will leave because of it... The baiters will enjoy that too much.

I log on for fun... I log off if it's not... It will be later, tomorrow, next week.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The forum reflects society and I like the fact that people are so different here.

We all form judgements, that is human nature. We cannot pretend to be PC if we feel passionate about something. Some of us can express ourselves in a way that puts a point across but in language that is deemed to be non confrontational, others are more base and say it using words that are deemed to be crude. We could be both saying exactly the same things. I quite like the down to basics language, its upfront with no hidden agenda. I have always been a person to use a lot of words, dunno why

I am passionate about some things. For example I struggle with dominate men being violent to women. I disliked the brutal blowjob thread with mention of slapping round faces and stopping people breathing. For me to say that I struggle with the concept of men being violent to women even if they want it. I think that if a guy can physically hurt a woman and get enjoyment out of it, what does that say about him? Now what I've just said could be deemed offensive to the whole BDSM community. Or I could just say each to their own. There are things I enjoy that similarly others will find offensive and they have a right to express that.

There are things I don't understand - experience in the world has formed that _iew for me. Others will have had different positive experiences.

I wouldn't want to see you leave the forum Jem, stay, put your _iews forward and have a discussion with those that oppose your _iews. Words cant hurt you if you don't allow them too.

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By *abioMan  over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"So, i'm close to leaving the forums cos it seems any attempt to explain why some people may be offended by certain terms is just defined as PC crap.

Now i have never seen the problem with political correctness..it to me means not using words that might hurt someone else because who wants to cause pain to another human being?

i don't swear in front of my gran,i dont use words that others might consider offensive,to me that is just good manners.

Can any one give me one good reason to stay amongst ppl who will not consider the feelings of others

This is not a look at me thread,more an attempt to consider why it is deemed ok to be rude if you are not being PC.Why do people want to upset and offend people?

"

its the power of the written word chick

I probably know you better than most on here just because I have had cuppa's with ya and gassed on about everything and anything in clubs and sometimes people only see the words and not the intent behind what is written....

I try to be a lot more careful now, it hasn't changed my style I hope, but I think twice about what I write before hitting that send button just in case ... and if someone doesn't get what I write I can always go back and clarify it.....

Stay around... the place does need stong opinions and it would not be the same without you...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Don't even think of leaving

Be yourself if others cant cope with it then that's their look out not yours

I myself learned again last night that some people just enjoy spoiling things for others

There will always be people who think they are right and everyone else is wrong

I see absolutely nothing wrong with any of your posts Jem

Don't let em grind ya down cause i don't lol xx

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Political correctness is by it's nature in conflict with common sense. Decisions are often taken that fly in the face of something else that would be a logical practical solution to a certain set of conditions. Some people spout out about the use of PC without ever realising just what PC really is and I suspect the OP has been a victim of just such a person.

You need a thick skin to be a swinger, and an even thicker one to engage in forums where true identities are hidden behind the persona of a keyboard warrior.

You do have a choice, sure, you can leave as you've said you might, in which case your protaganists have won - or you can stay and fight, in which case you may find some people don't like the way you post or your style of writing, but that's for them to deal with, it's their problem, not yours.

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By *quamarina1964Woman  over a year ago

Bideford

I always treat people the way i like to be treated! The thing is huni, if they cant help there dirty mouths, why should you or anyone else leave the forum because of it? It just means they' won and youve lost! Dont leave, they will get fed up the more you ignore it! You could report it to admin tho!

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman  over a year ago

little house on the praire

Well unless your going to step right out of society you will always be around different people. Why would the forums be any different. Youve been around long enough to know how the forums work. Its not a new phenomena

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

PC has been taken to stupid levels in this country

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

People should just use common sense instead of adhering to the dictats of the PC brigade.

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By *quamarina1964Woman  over a year ago

Bideford


"PC has been taken to stupid levels in this country

"

Totally agree

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By *iewMan  over a year ago
Forum Mod

Angus & Findhorn

often not what you say... it's the way you say it.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"often not what you say... it's the way you say it."

I feel a song coming on

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"So, i'm close to leaving the forums cos it seems any attempt to explain why some people may be offended by certain terms is just defined as PC crap.

Now i have never seen the problem with political correctness..it to me means not using words that might hurt someone else because who wants to cause pain to another human being?

i don't swear in front of my gran,i dont use words that others might consider offensive,to me that is just good manners.

Can any one give me one good reason to stay amongst ppl who will not consider the feelings of others

This is not a look at me thread,more an attempt to consider why it is deemed ok to be rude if you are not being PC.Why do people want to upset and offend people?

"

cos I like ya and I would miss ya. x

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By *umourCouple  over a year ago

Rushden

I suppose I had better say something here! Looks like I am the one who has upset Jemima because we do not agree with the use of the term “MILF”!

Let’s get a bit of perspective here. On the one hand we have someone saying the term MILF is offensive and on the other, that same person calls herself a “Slut”! My _iew (and I only ever speak for myself) is that Slut is far worse than MILF. I think that anyone who would seriously call themselves a Slut is lacking somewhere along the line in self worth. When coupled with having a “Master”, that to me only reinforces that _iew.

Of course each to their own and as I said in one post, although it is not for me, I like to watch the interaction between two such people. You also mentioned “Mansplaining” and I assume you were saying it referred to me? The definition as put forward by the woman who first thought it up…

“When a dude tells you, a woman, how to do something you already know how to do, or how you are wrong about something you are actually right about, or miscellaneous and inaccurate “facts” about something you know a hell of a lot more about than he does.”

That is a direct quote from Karen Healey, who was the “inventor”. Can’t see where that applies here! Unless you are saying that you are right and all those who posted opposite _iews are wrong?

One last thing on this point… Although you and I will differ on this, I am sorry you feel so upset over my posts! I have re-read them and can find nothing that you should get upset about. Try to grow a thicker skin! I have seen you give some stick on this forum in the past and had no idea that you were so fragile. Bounce back and jump in feet first, but never let anyone get to you so that you consider giving up something you seem to enjoy!

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By *ushroom7Man  over a year ago

Bradford

Good post Rumour.

Having read the MILF thread, the following point was interesting :

"Why do you think women might be offended by being defined only by the fact they have bourne children".

Isn't that the very definition of Mother, that a woman has bourne children?

Very few if any women are only defined by being a Mother. A few i know are Mrs, Ms, darling even ( unPC to some i know) all at the same time as being Mother's.

Prehaps those few Mother's who are offended should offer their _iew on it?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

Good post Rumour.

Having read the MILF thread, the following point was interesting :

"Why do you think women might be offended by being defined only by the fact they have bourne children".

Isn't that the very definition of Mother, that a woman has bourne children?

Very few if any women are only defined by being a Mother. A few i know are Mrs, Ms, darling even ( unPC to some i know) all at the same time as being Mother's.

Prehaps those few Mother's who are offended should offer their _iew on it?

"

Are they all called Jason?

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By *ushroom7Man  over a year ago

Bradford

To add further, i suggest one reason why the OP bothers is so that she can post not only that she describes herself as a "slut", but a slut who "will deck anyone who calls me a slut" and is a self proclaimed "writer of rape fantasies".

How PC, or feminista, is that? Violence, inducement of abhorrent if not criminal acts?

Note: This is not an attack on anyone, it's a comment and opinion on actual posts made, debate. The threads may have gone but log servers will confirm.

Now where the fuck is that Wolf?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

valid points.. i too am confused

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

This is not personal, but this is my _iew. I like and respect the OP very much and I enjoy her posts, this is not meant to offend her.

I also find it surprising that the word MILF would be found insulting to mothers and a strike against feminism, yet a woman who calls a man her "Master", to me that kicks feminism in the teeth far more than the word MILF does. Yes MILF is playgroundish but its not meant to be offensive term.

I find the fact that someone would even contemplate writing a "rape" fantasy obscure because to me there is no such thing. I get quite angry at the thought that someone could belittle those victims of crime in that way. In the same way I wouldnt be interested in "torturing animals" fantasies or "serial killer" fantasies. And Ive always questioned the psyche of the men who enjoy this too. But I accept that in your eyes I am wrong, and if you truly are happy, what I say is just words in cyber land thats all.

Noone is wrong or right, we are just built differently. We do have the right to oppose or agree with _iews.

All of us offend people without being aware of it. By all means we should all challenge anything that offends us or we feel passionately about it, but just accept that other people have their differing _iews too.

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By *oantrimcpl2010Couple  over a year ago

Lisburn

I personally enjoy the forums. There is some threads that either go over my head (politics and religion) and i tend to bypass these ones, some that i find boring and some interesting.

I have stated before that when replying to posts on a serious thread, it can be hard, as you can't see the persons expressions or hear the tone in which it is said.

If a person cant post on a thread without being personal to another member then in my opinion they should actually think twice about posting on that thread.

I find it hard to comprehend that some people will go out of there way just to annoy and upset another person, but hey sometimes thats life, but what it comes down to is how you react to them. Show no reaction (which i kow can be hard at times) and they get bored.

Ok enough of me waffling.

Happy posting xx

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By *ezebelWoman  over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest


"This is not personal, but this is my _iew......All of us offend people without being aware of it. By all means we should all challenge anything that offends us or we feel passionately about it, but just accept that other people have their differing _iews too.

"

Excellent post Iconic

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By *atisfy janeWoman  over a year ago

Torquay


"This is not personal, but this is my _iew. I like and respect the OP very much and I enjoy her posts, this is not meant to offend her.

I also find it surprising that the word MILF would be found insulting to mothers and a strike against feminism, yet a woman who calls a man her "Master", to me that kicks feminism in the teeth far more than the word MILF does. Yes MILF is playgroundish but its not meant to be offensive term.

I find the fact that someone would even contemplate writing a "rape" fantasy obscure because to me there is no such thing. I get quite angry at the thought that someone could belittle those victims of crime in that way. In the same way I wouldnt be interested in "torturing animals" fantasies or "serial killer" fantasies. And Ive always questioned the psyche of the men who enjoy this too. But I accept that in your eyes I am wrong, and if you truly are happy, what I say is just words in cyber land thats all.

Noone is wrong or right, we are just built differently. We do have the right to oppose or agree with _iews.

All of us offend people without being aware of it. By all means we should all challenge anything that offends us or we feel passionately about it, but just accept that other people have their differing _iews too.

"

Top post Iconic.....particularly the part about feminists who are sexually submissive to their Masters....

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By *ornyHorwichCpl aka HHCCouple  over a year ago

horwich

No don't go. We enjoy what you post on here. Not saying we always agree with your _iews but you shouldn't be afraid of saying what you think.

We all have our definition of acceptable but don't know each other well enough sometimes to know that boundary.

I also think if you say your hurt or upset over a comment people should respect that, but don't lose sleep over it life is too short x

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By *emima_puddlefuck OP   Couple  over a year ago

hexham

Thank you for all your posts,

Still not sure what i am going to do,but i started the thread so thought i ought to reply.

Dark, oh i know this forum is gentle, i used to be in a rants group elsewhere that wasnt happy if it had not dystroyed 4 ppl before breakfast.

If someone had a go cos id got tits,id just reply that i was amazed theyd stopped sucking their daddies cock long enough to post

Combat i can deal with.What i am tired of is the fact that trying to explain something is simply ignored cos "i'm being PC" It seems to be the internet equivalent of sticking fingers in your ears and saying i'm not listening.Annoying in a child,the killer of debate on the internet.

A number of women posted why they disliked the term,more have posted today.Someone asked why they were offended...i tried to answer.It does seem personal when none of the other posters were hauled up for their opinions,

And afterall that is all i was offering,an opinion,one anyone was free to disagree with,instead i was simply accused of spouting beliefs i did not hold.

i'm not going to go into the PC debate here except to say everyone i know is well mannered,they dont say cunt in fron of their grandmother and dont use other words likely to cause offence.Does it matter how many peoplle might be offended,one of the glories of the English language is its richness and diversity.There are plenty of words to choose from.Why offend if u dont need to?

BDSM and feminism,how long u got

Firstly as i said elsewhere,i call myself a slut...reclaiming the word perhaps in the manner of the sslut walks...however the real difference is that i choose to call myself it.Seriously am i the only one who gets that?Think gay men calling themselves poofs or the use of the n word in the black community.Words used against ppl are different to words ppl use themselves.And yes if a woman wants to call herself milf,go for it.i simply tried to explain why labels are often disliked.

Iconic,yup, its on the surface odd kneeling to a man and calling him Sir,and calling myself a feminist,so 2 breif points,cos there are entire books on this.

1.To me the point of feminism is to say a woman can make whatever choices she wants.To sleep around,or be celibate,to be a high powered career woman or stay at home mum.The fight was not against men,but against sterotypes that constrain opportunity.

So i choose submission, as vallid in my eyes as any other sexual choice anyone male or female makes.What matters is that the choices are not imposed on them.

2.Perhaps the fact it goes against what is accepted makes it hotter

Rape fantasies...read nancy friday or google A Secret garden,not coping out,but admin dont like discussion of the subject and i respect their wishes.

View...as always wise words...when i feel the fun come back, you will probably see me reposting

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By *irtyGirlWoman  over a year ago

Edinburgh

Spoonful of cement...

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