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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here" I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! " I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention" Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. " Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us" Of course it is and I completely agree. However it's what's relevant to that individual at that given moment in their life. | |||
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"That's awful, I hope someone can get him the help he needs "Very much this. | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us Of course it is and I completely agree. However it's what's relevant to that individual at that given moment in their life. " Maybe I was abit harsh but I served 8 years in the armed forces and I know what suffering looks like I just find it absolutely mind blowing that anyone in our privileged country can honestly say that killing themselves is the only option | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us" but you haven't a clue why he's there,people don't put themselves in that position for no reason. | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us but you haven't a clue why he's there,people don't put themselves in that position for no reason." My point is more the fact he's doing it I public most people who usually end their own lives do it very privately as it's more an act of shame, this gentleman is doing it I public and making a scene of it which seems more like a cry out for attention/help to me but obviously I could be completely wrong | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us but you haven't a clue why he's there,people don't put themselves in that position for no reason. My point is more the fact he's doing it I public most people who usually end their own lives do it very privately as it's more an act of shame, this gentleman is doing it I public and making a scene of it which seems more like a cry out for attention/help to me but obviously I could be completely wrong" he could be having psychosis and not even aware of what he's doing. mental health, when it becomes 'poor' doesn't work like a normal functioning brain any more. he isn't thinking like you right now no matter what it going on. | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us but you haven't a clue why he's there,people don't put themselves in that position for no reason. My point is more the fact he's doing it I public most people who usually end their own lives do it very privately as it's more an act of shame, this gentleman is doing it I public and making a scene of it which seems more like a cry out for attention/help to me but obviously I could be completely wrong" No, i have a mate who works for the ambulance service and he has said the same as you. The majority of people who genuinely intend to take their own life do it, and in a way where it is instantaneous. People who take over doses or threaten to jump etc are essentially crying out for help. Whether that is true i dunno. But whatever, i hope the man in question makes it off the bridge safely and gets the help/support he needs. | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us but you haven't a clue why he's there,people don't put themselves in that position for no reason. My point is more the fact he's doing it I public most people who usually end their own lives do it very privately as it's more an act of shame, this gentleman is doing it I public and making a scene of it which seems more like a cry out for attention/help to me but obviously I could be completely wrong he could be having psychosis and not even aware of what he's doing. mental health, when it becomes 'poor' doesn't work like a normal functioning brain any more. he isn't thinking like you right now no matter what it going on." Or...... he could be an attention seeking fame whore? | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us but you haven't a clue why he's there,people don't put themselves in that position for no reason. My point is more the fact he's doing it I public most people who usually end their own lives do it very privately as it's more an act of shame, this gentleman is doing it I public and making a scene of it which seems more like a cry out for attention/help to me but obviously I could be completely wrong" Even if it is a cry for help the man is clearly in distress and need's help. | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us but you haven't a clue why he's there,people don't put themselves in that position for no reason. My point is more the fact he's doing it I public most people who usually end their own lives do it very privately as it's more an act of shame, this gentleman is doing it I public and making a scene of it which seems more like a cry out for attention/help to me but obviously I could be completely wrong he could be having psychosis and not even aware of what he's doing. mental health, when it becomes 'poor' doesn't work like a normal functioning brain any more. he isn't thinking like you right now no matter what it going on. Or...... he could be an attention seeking fame whore?" drastic way to get attention don't you think. so does that still make him a normal functioning person or ? | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us but you haven't a clue why he's there,people don't put themselves in that position for no reason. My point is more the fact he's doing it I public most people who usually end their own lives do it very privately as it's more an act of shame, this gentleman is doing it I public and making a scene of it which seems more like a cry out for attention/help to me but obviously I could be completely wrong he could be having psychosis and not even aware of what he's doing. mental health, when it becomes 'poor' doesn't work like a normal functioning brain any more. he isn't thinking like you right now no matter what it going on. Or...... he could be an attention seeking fame whore? drastic way to get attention don't you think. so does that still make him a normal functioning person or ?" I think it all depends on what you describe normal as I think everyone has a "psyho phase" | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us but you haven't a clue why he's there,people don't put themselves in that position for no reason. My point is more the fact he's doing it I public most people who usually end their own lives do it very privately as it's more an act of shame, this gentleman is doing it I public and making a scene of it which seems more like a cry out for attention/help to me but obviously I could be completely wrong he could be having psychosis and not even aware of what he's doing. mental health, when it becomes 'poor' doesn't work like a normal functioning brain any more. he isn't thinking like you right now no matter what it going on. Or...... he could be an attention seeking fame whore?" Your lack of compassion for someone very likely in the utter depths of despair is disgusting. | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us but you haven't a clue why he's there,people don't put themselves in that position for no reason. My point is more the fact he's doing it I public most people who usually end their own lives do it very privately as it's more an act of shame, this gentleman is doing it I public and making a scene of it which seems more like a cry out for attention/help to me but obviously I could be completely wrong he could be having psychosis and not even aware of what he's doing. mental health, when it becomes 'poor' doesn't work like a normal functioning brain any more. he isn't thinking like you right now no matter what it going on. Or...... he could be an attention seeking fame whore? drastic way to get attention don't you think. so does that still make him a normal functioning person or ? I think it all depends on what you describe normal as I think everyone has a "psyho phase" " no, not everyone goes psycho or does drastic stuff for attention. 
normal means usual. he's not on fb right now attention seeking, or posting in forums attention seeking, he is on abridge doing something unusual. | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us but you haven't a clue why he's there,people don't put themselves in that position for no reason. My point is more the fact he's doing it I public most people who usually end their own lives do it very privately as it's more an act of shame, this gentleman is doing it I public and making a scene of it which seems more like a cry out for attention/help to me but obviously I could be completely wrong he could be having psychosis and not even aware of what he's doing. mental health, when it becomes 'poor' doesn't work like a normal functioning brain any more. he isn't thinking like you right now no matter what it going on. Or...... he could be an attention seeking fame whore? Your lack of compassion for someone very likely in the utter depths of despair is disgusting." You're wrong but u welcome your opinion, so can I ask you something? | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us but you haven't a clue why he's there,people don't put themselves in that position for no reason. My point is more the fact he's doing it I public most people who usually end their own lives do it very privately as it's more an act of shame, this gentleman is doing it I public and making a scene of it which seems more like a cry out for attention/help to me but obviously I could be completely wrong he could be having psychosis and not even aware of what he's doing. mental health, when it becomes 'poor' doesn't work like a normal functioning brain any more. he isn't thinking like you right now no matter what it going on. Or...... he could be an attention seeking fame whore? drastic way to get attention don't you think. so does that still make him a normal functioning person or ? I think it all depends on what you describe normal as I think everyone has a "psyho phase" no, not everyone goes psycho or does drastic stuff for attention.
normal means usual. he's not on fb right now attention seeking, or posting in forums attention seeking, he is on abridge doing something unusual."But we don't know that do we? All we know is someone saw him on the edge of a bridge thats it he could be on fb live or he could have killed someone or anything | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us but you haven't a clue why he's there,people don't put themselves in that position for no reason. My point is more the fact he's doing it I public most people who usually end their own lives do it very privately as it's more an act of shame, this gentleman is doing it I public and making a scene of it which seems more like a cry out for attention/help to me but obviously I could be completely wrong he could be having psychosis and not even aware of what he's doing. mental health, when it becomes 'poor' doesn't work like a normal functioning brain any more. he isn't thinking like you right now no matter what it going on. Or...... he could be an attention seeking fame whore? drastic way to get attention don't you think. so does that still make him a normal functioning person or ? I think it all depends on what you describe normal as I think everyone has a "psyho phase" " how often do you see lizards and dragons on your shoulders? | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us but you haven't a clue why he's there,people don't put themselves in that position for no reason. My point is more the fact he's doing it I public most people who usually end their own lives do it very privately as it's more an act of shame, this gentleman is doing it I public and making a scene of it which seems more like a cry out for attention/help to me but obviously I could be completely wrong No, i have a mate who works for the ambulance service and he has said the same as you. The majority of people who genuinely intend to take their own life do it, and in a way where it is instantaneous. People who take over doses or threaten to jump etc are essentially crying out for help. Whether that is true i dunno. But whatever, i hope the man in question makes it off the bridge safely and gets the help/support he needs." Bit of a generalisation but yes, most in this category are seeking help. I dealt with similar things quite a few times. The serious ones were invariably found dead and no-one suspected. Pretty desperate situation to find yourself in either way,, | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us but you haven't a clue why he's there,people don't put themselves in that position for no reason. My point is more the fact he's doing it I public most people who usually end their own lives do it very privately as it's more an act of shame, this gentleman is doing it I public and making a scene of it which seems more like a cry out for attention/help to me but obviously I could be completely wrong No, i have a mate who works for the ambulance service and he has said the same as you. The majority of people who genuinely intend to take their own life do it, and in a way where it is instantaneous. People who take over doses or threaten to jump etc are essentially crying out for help. Whether that is true i dunno. But whatever, i hope the man in question makes it off the bridge safely and gets the help/support he needs. Bit of a generalisation but yes, most in this category are seeking help. I dealt with similar things quite a few times. The serious ones were invariably found dead and no-one suspected. Pretty desperate situation to find yourself in either way,," Am I right in saying that you are somewhat agreeing with me? | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us but you haven't a clue why he's there,people don't put themselves in that position for no reason. My point is more the fact he's doing it I public most people who usually end their own lives do it very privately as it's more an act of shame, this gentleman is doing it I public and making a scene of it which seems more like a cry out for attention/help to me but obviously I could be completely wrong he could be having psychosis and not even aware of what he's doing. mental health, when it becomes 'poor' doesn't work like a normal functioning brain any more. he isn't thinking like you right now no matter what it going on. Or...... he could be an attention seeking fame whore? drastic way to get attention don't you think. so does that still make him a normal functioning person or ? I think it all depends on what you describe normal as I think everyone has a "psyho phase" no, not everyone goes psycho or does drastic stuff for attention.
normal means usual. he's not on fb right now attention seeking, or posting in forums attention seeking, he is on abridge doing something unusual.
But we don't know that do we? All we know is someone saw him on the edge of a bridge thats it he could be on fb live or he could have killed someone or anything"no we don't. but it's more likely he wants to die and is scared to. and by die that sometimes means he just wants his world to end, as in the one he is in now. he might not even want to die but just doesn't want the life he has and doesn't know how to change it. it's always gonna be more complicated than attention seeking if you feel the urge to die. | |||
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"I think I should clarify something, if this gentleman is genuinely sick and trying to end his own life then yes I am desperately sorry for him and I hope he does get the help he sadly needs however if it's a different story then I stand by what I've said" Why make light of it the. if you didn't have all the facts? | |||
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"I think I should clarify something, if this gentleman is genuinely sick and trying to end his own life then yes I am desperately sorry for him and I hope he does get the help he sadly needs however if it's a different story then I stand by what I've said Why make light of it the. if you didn't have all the facts?" That's exactly why..... I don't have the facts, I don't even know if there is a guy trying to kill himself and for all we know it could be because he found his wife on here | |||
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"I think at the end of the day this is all guess work none of us know anything whatsoever about the situation in hand " I know the man on the bridge is ill. | |||
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"I think I should clarify something, if this gentleman is genuinely sick and trying to end his own life then yes I am desperately sorry for him and I hope he does get the help he sadly needs however if it's a different story then I stand by what I've said Why make light of it then if you didn't have all the facts? That's exactly why..... I don't have the facts, I don't even know if there is a guy trying to kill himself and for all we know it could be because he found his wife on here " But equally he could be in the depths of despair. | |||
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"I think at the end of the day this is all guess work none of us know anything whatsoever about the situation in hand I know the man on the bridge is ill." Care to explain why you know that? | |||
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"I think I should clarify something, if this gentleman is genuinely sick and trying to end his own life then yes I am desperately sorry for him and I hope he does get the help he sadly needs however if it's a different story then I stand by what I've said Why make light of it then if you didn't have all the facts? That's exactly why..... I don't have the facts, I don't even know if there is a guy trying to kill himself and for all we know it could be because he found his wife on here But equally he could be in the depths of despair. " Yes absolutely he could, but then again he couldn't it's a catch 22 | |||
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"I think I should clarify something, if this gentleman is genuinely sick and trying to end his own life then yes I am desperately sorry for him and I hope he does get the help he sadly needs however if it's a different story then I stand by what I've said Why make light of it the. if you didn't have all the facts? That's exactly why..... I don't have the facts, I don't even know if there is a guy trying to kill himself and for all we know it could be because he found his wife on here " well you made some sweeping statements about the situation earlier | |||
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"I think at the end of the day this is all guess work none of us know anything whatsoever about the situation in hand " nah, you guessed he was attention seeking with no background on mental health whatsoever (i'm guessing that yeah). | |||
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"I think I should clarify something, if this gentleman is genuinely sick and trying to end his own life then yes I am desperately sorry for him and I hope he does get the help he sadly needs however if it's a different story then I stand by what I've said Why make light of it the. if you didn't have all the facts? That's exactly why..... I don't have the facts, I don't even know if there is a guy trying to kill himself and for all we know it could be because he found his wife on here well you made some sweeping statements about the situation earlier" Yes I did, but no one has any facts so all we can make is statements | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us Of course it is and I completely agree. However it's what's relevant to that individual at that given moment in their life. Maybe I was abit harsh but I served 8 years in the armed forces and I know what suffering looks like I just find it absolutely mind blowing that anyone in our privileged country can honestly say that killing themselves is the only option " perhaps he spent 8 years hiding behind a garden wall in basra shitting himself while he watched his mates getting picked off one by one or summut? did you consider that? | |||
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"I think at the end of the day this is all guess work none of us know anything whatsoever about the situation in hand nah, you guessed he was attention seeking with no background on mental health whatsoever (i'm guessing that yeah)." And how do you know I have no background in mental health? | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us Of course it is and I completely agree. However it's what's relevant to that individual at that given moment in their life. Maybe I was abit harsh but I served 8 years in the armed forces and I know what suffering looks like I just find it absolutely mind blowing that anyone in our privileged country can honestly say that killing themselves is the only option perhaps he spent 8 years hiding behind a garden wall in basra shitting himself while he watched his mates getting picked off one by one or summut? did you consider that?" So basically abit like what I went through? | |||
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"I think at the end of the day this is all guess work none of us know anything whatsoever about the situation in hand nah, you guessed he was attention seeking with no background on mental health whatsoever (i'm guessing that yeah). And how do you know I have no background in mental health? " guessing, like you were. making a point really and wondering if you found my ignorant opinion of you offensive? | |||
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"I think at the end of the day this is all guess work none of us know anything whatsoever about the situation in hand I know the man on the bridge is ill. Care to explain why you know that?" A healthy person doesn't threaten to take their life. | |||
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"I think I should clarify something, if this gentleman is genuinely sick and trying to end his own life then yes I am desperately sorry for him and I hope he does get the help he sadly needs however if it's a different story then I stand by what I've said Why make light of it then if you didn't have all the facts? That's exactly why..... I don't have the facts, I don't even know if there is a guy trying to kill himself and for all we know it could be because he found his wife on here But equally he could be in the depths of despair. " Exactly. I think when mental health is involved no-one should have a negative opinion. I'm guessing the person on here that many I shocked by the comments of has never suffered with any mental illness. I hope he never does. But I don't think anyone on a bridge threatening to jump is attention seeking, just desperately ill and losing if not lost control of their rational thoughts | |||
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"I think at the end of the day this is all guess work none of us know anything whatsoever about the situation in hand I know the man on the bridge is ill. Care to explain why you know that? A healthy person doesn't threaten to take their life." Couldn't agree more. Well said | |||
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"I think I should clarify something, if this gentleman is genuinely sick and trying to end his own life then yes I am desperately sorry for him and I hope he does get the help he sadly needs however if it's a different story then I stand by what I've said Why make light of it the. if you didn't have all the facts? That's exactly why..... I don't have the facts, I don't even know if there is a guy trying to kill himself and for all we know it could be because he found his wife on here well you made some sweeping statements about the situation earlier Yes I did, but no one has any facts so all we can make is statements" This is a direct quote from an earlier post of yours "I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy". I would say that's you assuming that you knew what was going on. Nobody with good mental health stands on a bridge above a motorway and threatens to jump. All pain is pain no matter how insignificant it might seem to other people. | |||
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"I think I should clarify something, if this gentleman is genuinely sick and trying to end his own life then yes I am desperately sorry for him and I hope he does get the help he sadly needs however if it's a different story then I stand by what I've said Why make light of it then if you didn't have all the facts? That's exactly why..... I don't have the facts, I don't even know if there is a guy trying to kill himself and for all we know it could be because he found his wife on here But equally he could be in the depths of despair. Yes absolutely he could, but then again he couldn't it's a catch 22" No, it isn't a catch 22 situation. Consider that because it could be one of the two scenarios you could just acknowledge that he might be ill. | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us Of course it is and I completely agree. However it's what's relevant to that individual at that given moment in their life. Maybe I was abit harsh but I served 8 years in the armed forces and I know what suffering looks like I just find it absolutely mind blowing that anyone in our privileged country can honestly say that killing themselves is the only option perhaps he spent 8 years hiding behind a garden wall in basra shitting himself while he watched his mates getting picked off one by one or summut? did you consider that? So basically abit like what I went through?" clearly not if he's stood on a bridge while you slag him off from behind a computer keyboard chap | |||
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"I think at the end of the day this is all guess work none of us know anything whatsoever about the situation in hand nah, you guessed he was attention seeking with no background on mental health whatsoever (i'm guessing that yeah). And how do you know I have no background in mental health? guessing, like you were. making a point really and wondering if you found my ignorant opinion of you offensive?" No I didn't, I don't take offence to anything everyone is allowed an opinion | |||
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"I think at the end of the day this is all guess work none of us know anything whatsoever about the situation in hand nah, you guessed he was attention seeking with no background on mental health whatsoever (i'm guessing that yeah). And how do you know I have no background in mental health? guessing, like you were. making a point really and wondering if you found my ignorant opinion of you offensive? No I didn't, I don't take offence to anything everyone is allowed an opinion " ok.  | |||
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"There's been a couple of time's throughout my life when I've thought the only way I can stop feeling the way I do is if I'm not here and that's scary as hell. The mind is a very dangerous place at time's." Best to try and put thoughts like that well behind you and never look back... always onwards and upwards... never look back  | |||
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"I think I should clarify something, if this gentleman is genuinely sick and trying to end his own life then yes I am desperately sorry for him and I hope he does get the help he sadly needs however if it's a different story then I stand by what I've said" I agree with you mate, why should this guy drag other people into his quite honest selfish act. Think of the emergency services that have to be called why should they have to deal with it That's what the Samaritans are for on the end of the phone I've been there before you judge me and they helped me from doing myself in | |||
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"I know I'm getting quite a lot of stick and fair dos but can just one person look at it from my point of view, this man might have done some very cowardly things toward women/children and this could be his only way out yes he might be a sick man but I'm asking people to look at it from both points of view ?" You mean like maybe somebody has been found dead in a house and there is a police hunt for a suspect and it turns out to be him? That kinda thing? | |||
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"I know I'm getting quite a lot of stick and fair dos but can just one person look at it from my point of view, this man might have done some very cowardly things toward women/children and this could be his only way out yes he might be a sick man but I'm asking people to look at it from both points of view ?" That isn't your original point of view though, that was something along the lines of having no sympathy for someone who dosn't appreciate the gift of life. None of us knows his story. | |||
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"I know I'm getting quite a lot of stick and fair dos but can just one person look at it from my point of view, this man might have done some very cowardly things toward women/children and this could be his only way out yes he might be a sick man but I'm asking people to look at it from both points of view ?" I believe the only "point of view" to see this from is that someone has listed this topic as they are near to where a human being is close to taking their own life. Going into made up stories as to why etc is irrelevant. That poor poor man and we all hope he gets the help he clearly needs. This doesn't need any abstract discussion and that's why people aren't understanding you. It's not necessary and in very bad taste | |||
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"I think at the end of the day this is all guess work none of us know anything whatsoever about the situation in hand " Probably the smartest thing you've said all thread. | |||
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"I know I'm getting quite a lot of stick and fair dos but can just one person look at it from my point of view, this man might have done some very cowardly things toward women/children and this could be his only way out yes he might be a sick man but I'm asking people to look at it from both points of view ? You mean like maybe somebody has been found dead in a house and there is a police hunt for a suspect and it turns out to be him? That kinda thing? " Yes exactly | |||
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"I know I'm getting quite a lot of stick and fair dos but can just one person look at it from my point of view, this man might have done some very cowardly things toward women/children and this could be his only way out yes he might be a sick man but I'm asking people to look at it from both points of view ?" And then you go and spoil it all....  | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us Of course it is and I completely agree. However it's what's relevant to that individual at that given moment in their life. Maybe I was abit harsh but I served 8 years in the armed forces and I know what suffering looks like I just find it absolutely mind blowing that anyone in our privileged country can honestly say that killing themselves is the only option " Really? Being bullied every day by someone who supposedly loves you and has your 'best interests' at heart? Being mentally broken by that person. Being afraid to speak for fear of saying the wrong thing. Being shut off from friends and family. Seeing no way out because this person has convinced you you are worthless and unable to survive without them. You hate this person with every breath in your body, but you're so broken you believe you have no way out. Praying this person carries out their threats and kills you in your sleep (that's when you can sleep of course, the rest of the time you're laying there, crying into your pillow wishing they would have a fatal accident just so the ordeal was over) or wondering how you can kill yourself, but you need to make sure you so a 'proper job of it, because if you don't the consequences don't bare thinking about. How dare you judge someone's mental state? That poor soul could have lost a child that day, been told they have a terminal illness that is delibitating and they see no way out. There are so many harrowing scenarios, that are more than enough to take a person to the edge. Oh...and there is also this thing called 'mental illness' Oddly enough, it's an illness and takes more than a stern talking to to fix, like any other illness. I'm sure if someone told you we could cure physical illnesses by telling them to get a grip and piss off as they aren't welcome you'd laugh at them, so why should it be different for something you can't see? | |||
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"I think I should clarify something, if this gentleman is genuinely sick and trying to end his own life then yes I am desperately sorry for him and I hope he does get the help he sadly needs however if it's a different story then I stand by what I've said I agree with you mate, why should this guy drag other people into his quite honest selfish act. Think of the emergency services that have to be called why should they have to deal with it That's what the Samaritans are for on the end of the phone I've been there before you judge me and they helped me from doing myself in " Thank you for seeing it from my point of view and I'm glad you're in a happy healthy place now | |||
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"I think I should clarify something, if this gentleman is genuinely sick and trying to end his own life then yes I am desperately sorry for him and I hope he does get the help he sadly needs however if it's a different story then I stand by what I've said I agree with you mate, why should this guy drag other people into his quite honest selfish act. Think of the emergency services that have to be called why should they have to deal with it That's what the Samaritans are for on the end of the phone I've been there before you judge me and they helped me from doing myself in " If the samaritans are there then why are there thousands of psychiatric wards in the U.K. and the world for that matter. The Samaritans are a wonderful organisation but some people are mentally ill, they cannot help it and 1 in 4 people at any one time will suffer. It makes people do things they would never in their right mind. A small, narrow minded couple of people on here sound so so naive it's unbelievable | |||
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"I know I'm getting quite a lot of stick and fair dos but can just one person look at it from my point of view, this man might have done some very cowardly things toward women/children and this could be his only way out yes he might be a sick man but I'm asking people to look at it from both points of view ? You mean like maybe somebody has been found dead in a house and there is a police hunt for a suspect and it turns out to be him? That kinda thing? Yes exactly" I say again, the trigger is irrelevant. Out. | |||
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"I know I'm getting quite a lot of stick and fair dos but can just one person look at it from my point of view, this man might have done some very cowardly things toward women/children and this could be his only way out yes he might be a sick man but I'm asking people to look at it from both points of view ? You mean like maybe somebody has been found dead in a house and there is a police hunt for a suspect and it turns out to be him? That kinda thing? Yes exactly I say again, the trigger is irrelevant. Out. " How is it irrelevant? What if this man killed your family? You'd feel empathy for him? | |||
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"I know I'm getting quite a lot of stick and fair dos but can just one person look at it from my point of view, this man might have done some very cowardly things toward women/children and this could be his only way out yes he might be a sick man but I'm asking people to look at it from both points of view ? You mean like maybe somebody has been found dead in a house and there is a police hunt for a suspect and it turns out to be him? That kinda thing? Yes exactly" It is possible. You see news stories like that pop up but not too often. | |||
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"I know I'm getting quite a lot of stick and fair dos but can just one person look at it from my point of view, this man might have done some very cowardly things toward women/children and this could be his only way out yes he might be a sick man but I'm asking people to look at it from both points of view ? You mean like maybe somebody has been found dead in a house and there is a police hunt for a suspect and it turns out to be him? That kinda thing? Yes exactly It is possible. You see news stories like that pop up but not too often." I'm just asking people to keep an open mind before people jump to conclusions | |||
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"I know I'm getting quite a lot of stick and fair dos but can just one person look at it from my point of view, this man might have done some very cowardly things toward women/children and this could be his only way out yes he might be a sick man but I'm asking people to look at it from both points of view ?" i believe suicide should be legal, and not just for people dying of something physical but those who wanna end it all because mentally they can't cope. and that's even with my knowledge that things can improve if given the chance to, or the medication at least to help with some things. i just don't agree with your attention seeking comment coz i have grown up very independent (due to neglect on my parents behalf) and sturggled with a lot on my own, which i can deal with now coz i accepted that, but if someone wants to reach out pr share their pain with others who will deal with it for them then i see nothing wrong with that at all. wish i'd had the attitude to reach out to people myself coz it makes life a lot easier. attention seeking is looked on as negative, coz nobody likes someone else to hog the limelight, or maybe coz it puts them in a situation where they have to deal with their attention being sought and that makes them feel pressured, or they're loner types who hate this kind of thing, or whatever else, but there's often rooted reasons for it. some may never be cured because they don't want to be, but others might just need someone to take control for them and help them and their life improves just that little bit. but it's not attention seeking per se when it comes to suicidal thoughts also, it goes much deeper than this. | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us Of course it is and I completely agree. However it's what's relevant to that individual at that given moment in their life. Maybe I was abit harsh but I served 8 years in the armed forces and I know what suffering looks like I just find it absolutely mind blowing that anyone in our privileged country can honestly say that killing themselves is the only option Really? Being bullied every day by someone who supposedly loves you and has your 'best interests' at heart? Being mentally broken by that person. Being afraid to speak for fear of saying the wrong thing. Being shut off from friends and family. Seeing no way out because this person has convinced you you are worthless and unable to survive without them. You hate this person with every breath in your body, but you're so broken you believe you have no way out. Praying this person carries out their threats and kills you in your sleep (that's when you can sleep of course, the rest of the time you're laying there, crying into your pillow wishing they would have a fatal accident just so the ordeal was over) or wondering how you can kill yourself, but you need to make sure you so a 'proper job of it, because if you don't the consequences don't bare thinking about. How dare you judge someone's mental state? That poor soul could have lost a child that day, been told they have a terminal illness that is delibitating and they see no way out. There are so many harrowing scenarios, that are more than enough to take a person to the edge. Oh...and there is also this thing called 'mental illness' Oddly enough, it's an illness and takes more than a stern talking to to fix, like any other illness. I'm sure if someone told you we could cure physical illnesses by telling them to get a grip and piss off as they aren't welcome you'd laugh at them, so why should it be different for something you can't see?" Again the remark about his wife being on here not particularly a great comment But I'll reiterate mental illness is horrible especially when it's not diagnosed it's not difficult to seek help!! | |||
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"I know I'm getting quite a lot of stick and fair dos but can just one person look at it from my point of view, this man might have done some very cowardly things toward women/children and this could be his only way out yes he might be a sick man but I'm asking people to look at it from both points of view ? I believe the only "point of view" to see this from is that someone has listed this topic as they are near to where a human being is close to taking their own life. Going into made up stories as to why etc is irrelevant. That poor poor man and we all hope he gets the help he clearly needs. This doesn't need any abstract discussion and that's why people aren't understanding you. It's not necessary and in very bad taste " Yes, this ... ... it's irrelevant whether or not someone's people on this thread have dealt with their own suicidal feelings in a different way. We are all individuals, with different life experiences and different levels of resilience. | |||
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"I think I should clarify something, if this gentleman is genuinely sick and trying to end his own life then yes I am desperately sorry for him and I hope he does get the help he sadly needs however if it's a different story then I stand by what I've said I agree with you mate, why should this guy drag other people into his quite honest selfish act. Think of the emergency services that have to be called why should they have to deal with it That's what the Samaritans are for on the end of the phone I've been there before you judge me and they helped me from doing myself in " Because they signed up to protect all life in all situations. Perhaps if mental health services weren't being cut to the point of extinction people could get the help they need without 'cries for help' The samaritans do a great job (I know, I was one) but even they will encourage someone to call an ambulance if they feel they are at risk of killing themselves. If given permission and enough information they will call an ambulance if they feel the person is unable to do so. Suicide is an incredibly complex thing to understand, particularly if you have never been to such a place. | |||
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"I know I'm getting quite a lot of stick and fair dos but can just one person look at it from my point of view, this man might have done some very cowardly things toward women/children and this could be his only way out yes he might be a sick man but I'm asking people to look at it from both points of view ? You mean like maybe somebody has been found dead in a house and there is a police hunt for a suspect and it turns out to be him? That kinda thing? Yes exactly It is possible. You see news stories like that pop up but not too often. I'm just asking people to keep an open mind before people jump to conclusions " to be fair your original comments weren't open minded | |||
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"I know I'm getting quite a lot of stick and fair dos but can just one person look at it from my point of view, this man might have done some very cowardly things toward women/children and this could be his only way out yes he might be a sick man but I'm asking people to look at it from both points of view ? You mean like maybe somebody has been found dead in a house and there is a police hunt for a suspect and it turns out to be him? That kinda thing? Yes exactly I say again, the trigger is irrelevant. Out. How is it irrelevant? What if this man killed your family? You'd feel empathy for him?" If that was the case I'd at least have the information needed to make such a judgement rather than jump to a (very likely giving its rarity) erroneous conclusion. I think you're missing the point though. | |||
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"I know I'm getting quite a lot of stick and fair dos but can just one person look at it from my point of view, this man might have done some very cowardly things toward women/children and this could be his only way out yes he might be a sick man but I'm asking people to look at it from both points of view ? You mean like maybe somebody has been found dead in a house and there is a police hunt for a suspect and it turns out to be him? That kinda thing? Yes exactly It is possible. You see news stories like that pop up but not too often. I'm just asking people to keep an open mind before people jump to conclusions " Like you?! I don't care why he is up there, I care that he gets whatever treatment he needs. At this moment in time he is a man in crisis, no more no less. | |||
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"I know I'm getting quite a lot of stick and fair dos but can just one person look at it from my point of view, this man might have done some very cowardly things toward women/children and this could be his only way out yes he might be a sick man but I'm asking people to look at it from both points of view ? i believe suicide should be legal, and not just for people dying of something physical but those who wanna end it all because mentally they can't cope. and that's even with my knowledge that things can improve if given the chance to, or the medication at least to help with some things. i just don't agree with your attention seeking comment coz i have grown up very independent (due to neglect on my parents behalf) and sturggled with a lot on my own, which i can deal with now coz i accepted that, but if someone wants to reach out pr share their pain with others who will deal with it for them then i see nothing wrong with that at all. wish i'd had the attitude to reach out to people myself coz it makes life a lot easier. attention seeking is looked on as negative, coz nobody likes someone else to hog the limelight, or maybe coz it puts them in a situation where they have to deal with their attention being sought and that makes them feel pressured, or they're loner types who hate this kind of thing, or whatever else, but there's often rooted reasons for it. some may never be cured because they don't want to be, but others might just need someone to take control for them and help them and their life improves just that little bit. but it's not attention seeking per se when it comes to suicidal thoughts also, it goes much deeper than this. " I completely understand your point but I don't think all suicide should be legal I think it has to be through the proper process instead of just saying people can throw themselves off of bridges | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us Of course it is and I completely agree. However it's what's relevant to that individual at that given moment in their life. Maybe I was abit harsh but I served 8 years in the armed forces and I know what suffering looks like I just find it absolutely mind blowing that anyone in our privileged country can honestly say that killing themselves is the only option Really? Being bullied every day by someone who supposedly loves you and has your 'best interests' at heart? Being mentally broken by that person. Being afraid to speak for fear of saying the wrong thing. Being shut off from friends and family. Seeing no way out because this person has convinced you you are worthless and unable to survive without them. You hate this person with every breath in your body, but you're so broken you believe you have no way out. Praying this person carries out their threats and kills you in your sleep (that's when you can sleep of course, the rest of the time you're laying there, crying into your pillow wishing they would have a fatal accident just so the ordeal was over) or wondering how you can kill yourself, but you need to make sure you so a 'proper job of it, because if you don't the consequences don't bare thinking about. How dare you judge someone's mental state? That poor soul could have lost a child that day, been told they have a terminal illness that is delibitating and they see no way out. There are so many harrowing scenarios, that are more than enough to take a person to the edge. Oh...and there is also this thing called 'mental illness' Oddly enough, it's an illness and takes more than a stern talking to to fix, like any other illness. I'm sure if someone told you we could cure physical illnesses by telling them to get a grip and piss off as they aren't welcome you'd laugh at them, so why should it be different for something you can't see?" Well said | |||
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"I know I'm getting quite a lot of stick and fair dos but can just one person look at it from my point of view, this man might have done some very cowardly things toward women/children and this could be his only way out yes he might be a sick man but I'm asking people to look at it from both points of view ? i believe suicide should be legal, and not just for people dying of something physical but those who wanna end it all because mentally they can't cope. and that's even with my knowledge that things can improve if given the chance to, or the medication at least to help with some things. i just don't agree with your attention seeking comment coz i have grown up very independent (due to neglect on my parents behalf) and sturggled with a lot on my own, which i can deal with now coz i accepted that, but if someone wants to reach out pr share their pain with others who will deal with it for them then i see nothing wrong with that at all. wish i'd had the attitude to reach out to people myself coz it makes life a lot easier. attention seeking is looked on as negative, coz nobody likes someone else to hog the limelight, or maybe coz it puts them in a situation where they have to deal with their attention being sought and that makes them feel pressured, or they're loner types who hate this kind of thing, or whatever else, but there's often rooted reasons for it. some may never be cured because they don't want to be, but others might just need someone to take control for them and help them and their life improves just that little bit. but it's not attention seeking per se when it comes to suicidal thoughts also, it goes much deeper than this. I completely understand your point but I don't think all suicide should be legal I think it has to be through the proper process instead of just saying people can throw themselves off of bridges" well yeah, it would be like in other countries where you can go somewhere quiet and plan it and die with family or whoever if you want to. as far as i'm concerned if you can plan your own death in a civilised manner then you should be allowed to die and anyone should be allowed to do that. you don't have to agree with me either, i don't mind. obviously if you're chucking yourself off a bridge then you're not thinking rationally any more. and this is why others intervene. not sure why but the human race does that, it sees one of it's people in pain and some will want to help. sometimes nobody notices and it's then that you start getting desperate. | |||
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"I think I should clarify something, if this gentleman is genuinely sick and trying to end his own life then yes I am desperately sorry for him and I hope he does get the help he sadly needs however if it's a different story then I stand by what I've said I agree with you mate, why should this guy drag other people into his quite honest selfish act. Think of the emergency services that have to be called why should they have to deal with it That's what the Samaritans are for on the end of the phone I've been there before you judge me and they helped me from doing myself in Because they signed up to protect all life in all situations. Perhaps if mental health services weren't being cut to the point of extinction people could get the help they need without 'cries for help' The samaritans do a great job (I know, I was one) but even they will encourage someone to call an ambulance if they feel they are at risk of killing themselves. If given permission and enough information they will call an ambulance if they feel the person is unable to do so. Suicide is an incredibly complex thing to understand, particularly if you have never been to such a place. " If you read my post properly I have been in that situation and as an ex Samaritan I commend you as you saved my life !! Don't agree with the emergency services comment they should be helping people like rescuing people from burning buildings, someone who's had a heart attack an elderly lady robbed of her pension! Finally believing the bullshit media stories about funding cuts in mental health services I've not seen any evidence ? | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us Of course it is and I completely agree. However it's what's relevant to that individual at that given moment in their life. Maybe I was abit harsh but I served 8 years in the armed forces and I know what suffering looks like I just find it absolutely mind blowing that anyone in our privileged country can honestly say that killing themselves is the only option Really? Being bullied every day by someone who supposedly loves you and has your 'best interests' at heart? Being mentally broken by that person. Being afraid to speak for fear of saying the wrong thing. Being shut off from friends and family. Seeing no way out because this person has convinced you you are worthless and unable to survive without them. You hate this person with every breath in your body, but you're so broken you believe you have no way out. Praying this person carries out their threats and kills you in your sleep (that's when you can sleep of course, the rest of the time you're laying there, crying into your pillow wishing they would have a fatal accident just so the ordeal was over) or wondering how you can kill yourself, but you need to make sure you so a 'proper job of it, because if you don't the consequences don't bare thinking about. How dare you judge someone's mental state? That poor soul could have lost a child that day, been told they have a terminal illness that is delibitating and they see no way out. There are so many harrowing scenarios, that are more than enough to take a person to the edge. Oh...and there is also this thing called 'mental illness' Oddly enough, it's an illness and takes more than a stern talking to to fix, like any other illness. I'm sure if someone told you we could cure physical illnesses by telling them to get a grip and piss off as they aren't welcome you'd laugh at them, so why should it be different for something you can't see?" Yes you're absolutely correct, whoever this man could've also killed his wife and children today because he wasn't having the best of days, we'll never know | |||
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"Look at the man in Glasgow through the week, he stabbes 2 innocent people then killed himself, yes he was very obviously mentally ill but no I don't have any empathy for him because he inflicted pain on innocent people" You do understand that it wasn't 'him' that made the conscious decision to do that though, right? | |||
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"Look at the man in Glasgow through the week, he stabbes 2 innocent people then killed himself, yes he was very obviously mentally ill but no I don't have any empathy for him because he inflicted pain on innocent people You do understand that it wasn't 'him' that made the conscious decision to do that though, right?" But we will never know that, he's no longer with us, I'm just believing the media when I said he was ill for all we know he could've been perfectly fine but we will never know | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us Of course it is and I completely agree. However it's what's relevant to that individual at that given moment in their life. Maybe I was abit harsh but I served 8 years in the armed forces and I know what suffering looks like I just find it absolutely mind blowing that anyone in our privileged country can honestly say that killing themselves is the only option Really? Being bullied every day by someone who supposedly loves you and has your 'best interests' at heart? Being mentally broken by that person. Being afraid to speak for fear of saying the wrong thing. Being shut off from friends and family. Seeing no way out because this person has convinced you you are worthless and unable to survive without them. You hate this person with every breath in your body, but you're so broken you believe you have no way out. Praying this person carries out their threats and kills you in your sleep (that's when you can sleep of course, the rest of the time you're laying there, crying into your pillow wishing they would have a fatal accident just so the ordeal was over) or wondering how you can kill yourself, but you need to make sure you so a 'proper job of it, because if you don't the consequences don't bare thinking about. How dare you judge someone's mental state? That poor soul could have lost a child that day, been told they have a terminal illness that is delibitating and they see no way out. There are so many harrowing scenarios, that are more than enough to take a person to the edge. Oh...and there is also this thing called 'mental illness' Oddly enough, it's an illness and takes more than a stern talking to to fix, like any other illness. I'm sure if someone told you we could cure physical illnesses by telling them to get a grip and piss off as they aren't welcome you'd laugh at them, so why should it be different for something you can't see? Again the remark about his wife being on here not particularly a great comment But I'll reiterate mental illness is horrible especially when it's not diagnosed it's not difficult to seek help!! " The thing that fucks me off massively is people who make generalisations. That stupid fucking opinion of " I've been through XYZ and I'm ok" "I've been through worse than that, they need to get a grip" "They should appreciate what they have" I just wish they could climb into that person's mind and think and feel the way they do for a short while.... Might change their self-centred opinions to something a little more useful. | |||
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"Look at the man in Glasgow through the week, he stabbes 2 innocent people then killed himself, yes he was very obviously mentally ill but no I don't have any empathy for him because he inflicted pain on innocent people You do understand that it wasn't 'him' that made the conscious decision to do that though, right?" This is very true | |||
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"I think I should clarify something, if this gentleman is genuinely sick and trying to end his own life then yes I am desperately sorry for him and I hope he does get the help he sadly needs however if it's a different story then I stand by what I've said I agree with you mate, why should this guy drag other people into his quite honest selfish act. Think of the emergency services that have to be called why should they have to deal with it That's what the Samaritans are for on the end of the phone I've been there before you judge me and they helped me from doing myself in Because they signed up to protect all life in all situations. Perhaps if mental health services weren't being cut to the point of extinction people could get the help they need without 'cries for help' The samaritans do a great job (I know, I was one) but even they will encourage someone to call an ambulance if they feel they are at risk of killing themselves. If given permission and enough information they will call an ambulance if they feel the person is unable to do so. Suicide is an incredibly complex thing to understand, particularly if you have never been to such a place. If you read my post properly I have been in that situation and as an ex Samaritan I commend you as you saved my life !! Don't agree with the emergency services comment they should be helping people like rescuing people from burning buildings, someone who's had a heart attack an elderly lady robbed of her pension! Finally believing the bullshit media stories about funding cuts in mental health services I've not seen any evidence ? " So "emergency services should be helping people who've had a heart attack" Mental illness is just as serious as physical illness. The sooner people engage their brains and realise that the better the world will be for people who are suffering | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us Of course it is and I completely agree. However it's what's relevant to that individual at that given moment in their life. Maybe I was abit harsh but I served 8 years in the armed forces and I know what suffering looks like I just find it absolutely mind blowing that anyone in our privileged country can honestly say that killing themselves is the only option Really? Being bullied every day by someone who supposedly loves you and has your 'best interests' at heart? Being mentally broken by that person. Being afraid to speak for fear of saying the wrong thing. Being shut off from friends and family. Seeing no way out because this person has convinced you you are worthless and unable to survive without them. You hate this person with every breath in your body, but you're so broken you believe you have no way out. Praying this person carries out their threats and kills you in your sleep (that's when you can sleep of course, the rest of the time you're laying there, crying into your pillow wishing they would have a fatal accident just so the ordeal was over) or wondering how you can kill yourself, but you need to make sure you so a 'proper job of it, because if you don't the consequences don't bare thinking about. How dare you judge someone's mental state? That poor soul could have lost a child that day, been told they have a terminal illness that is delibitating and they see no way out. There are so many harrowing scenarios, that are more than enough to take a person to the edge. Oh...and there is also this thing called 'mental illness' Oddly enough, it's an illness and takes more than a stern talking to to fix, like any other illness. I'm sure if someone told you we could cure physical illnesses by telling them to get a grip and piss off as they aren't welcome you'd laugh at them, so why should it be different for something you can't see? Again the remark about his wife being on here not particularly a great comment But I'll reiterate mental illness is horrible especially when it's not diagnosed it's not difficult to seek help!! The thing that fucks me off massively is people who make generalisations. That stupid fucking opinion of " I've been through XYZ and I'm ok" "I've been through worse than that, they need to get a grip" "They should appreciate what they have" I just wish they could climb into that person's mind and think and feel the way they do for a short while.... Might change their self-centred opinions to something a little more useful." That requires empathy. A lot of people, through no fault of their own, don't have that. People with autism and other kinda traits that you can't see don't see things quite the way others do. So i appreciate you're angry, but just keep that in mind. | |||
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"I think I should clarify something, if this gentleman is genuinely sick and trying to end his own life then yes I am desperately sorry for him and I hope he does get the help he sadly needs however if it's a different story then I stand by what I've said I agree with you mate, why should this guy drag other people into his quite honest selfish act. Think of the emergency services that have to be called why should they have to deal with it That's what the Samaritans are for on the end of the phone I've been there before you judge me and they helped me from doing myself in Because they signed up to protect all life in all situations. Perhaps if mental health services weren't being cut to the point of extinction people could get the help they need without 'cries for help' The samaritans do a great job (I know, I was one) but even they will encourage someone to call an ambulance if they feel they are at risk of killing themselves. If given permission and enough information they will call an ambulance if they feel the person is unable to do so. Suicide is an incredibly complex thing to understand, particularly if you have never been to such a place. If you read my post properly I have been in that situation and as an ex Samaritan I commend you as you saved my life !! Don't agree with the emergency services comment they should be helping people like rescuing people from burning buildings, someone who's had a heart attack an elderly lady robbed of her pension! Finally believing the bullshit media stories about funding cuts in mental health services I've not seen any evidence ? So "emergency services should be helping people who've had a heart attack" Mental illness is just as serious as physical illness. The sooner people engage their brains and realise that the better the world will be for people who are suffering " Really ?? Haven't read a single word have you? No they shouldn't help people with mental illnesses so a ride in an ambulance makes it better get a grip | |||
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"I think I should clarify something, if this gentleman is genuinely sick and trying to end his own life then yes I am desperately sorry for him and I hope he does get the help he sadly needs however if it's a different story then I stand by what I've said I agree with you mate, why should this guy drag other people into his quite honest selfish act. Think of the emergency services that have to be called why should they have to deal with it That's what the Samaritans are for on the end of the phone I've been there before you judge me and they helped me from doing myself in Because they signed up to protect all life in all situations. Perhaps if mental health services weren't being cut to the point of extinction people could get the help they need without 'cries for help' The samaritans do a great job (I know, I was one) but even they will encourage someone to call an ambulance if they feel they are at risk of killing themselves. If given permission and enough information they will call an ambulance if they feel the person is unable to do so. Suicide is an incredibly complex thing to understand, particularly if you have never been to such a place. If you read my post properly I have been in that situation and as an ex Samaritan I commend you as you saved my life !! Don't agree with the emergency services comment they should be helping people like rescuing people from burning buildings, someone who's had a heart attack an elderly lady robbed of her pension! Finally believing the bullshit media stories about funding cuts in mental health services I've not seen any evidence ? " I did read it properly, I was answering your point abiut the emergency services. I'm glad that you found the help you needed through the samaritans but sadly sometimes just having someone to listen is not enough. Emergency services can't pick and choose who they help and I am glad of that. I know it's true about finding cuts. A charity in my town is massively over subscfibed with mental health referrals because services in our NHS trust have been reduced. Why do you think charities like samaritans are receiving higher and higher volumes of people reaching out for help? Not just on the phone but letters, emails, texts, face to face? I work in an environment where referrals to mental health services are made all the time and the hoops you have to through to prove who is in greater need are numerous and you fall off the process all too easily and have to start over. | |||
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"I think I should clarify something, if this gentleman is genuinely sick and trying to end his own life then yes I am desperately sorry for him and I hope he does get the help he sadly needs however if it's a different story then I stand by what I've said I agree with you mate, why should this guy drag other people into his quite honest selfish act. Think of the emergency services that have to be called why should they have to deal with it That's what the Samaritans are for on the end of the phone I've been there before you judge me and they helped me from doing myself in Because they signed up to protect all life in all situations. Perhaps if mental health services weren't being cut to the point of extinction people could get the help they need without 'cries for help' The samaritans do a great job (I know, I was one) but even they will encourage someone to call an ambulance if they feel they are at risk of killing themselves. If given permission and enough information they will call an ambulance if they feel the person is unable to do so. Suicide is an incredibly complex thing to understand, particularly if you have never been to such a place. If you read my post properly I have been in that situation and as an ex Samaritan I commend you as you saved my life !! Don't agree with the emergency services comment they should be helping people like rescuing people from burning buildings, someone who's had a heart attack an elderly lady robbed of her pension! Finally believing the bullshit media stories about funding cuts in mental health services I've not seen any evidence ? So "emergency services should be helping people who've had a heart attack" Mental illness is just as serious as physical illness. The sooner people engage their brains and realise that the better the world will be for people who are suffering Really ?? Haven't read a single word have you? No they shouldn't help people with mental illnesses so a ride in an ambulance makes it better get a grip " Oh dear dear dear, I have read every word thank you. Such a sad state of affairs that you believe there is any difference in a physical or mental illness. One affects the body, one primarily affects the brain. How sad you can't see this | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us Of course it is and I completely agree. However it's what's relevant to that individual at that given moment in their life. Maybe I was abit harsh but I served 8 years in the armed forces and I know what suffering looks like I just find it absolutely mind blowing that anyone in our privileged country can honestly say that killing themselves is the only option perhaps he spent 8 years hiding behind a garden wall in basra shitting himself while he watched his mates getting picked off one by one or summut? did you consider that? So basically abit like what I went through? Im going to lower the tone slightly and call you a prize prick now. My mate served he did a few tours came home put his body armour on his bed signed his weapon out went back to his room and put it to his chest. He had ptsd hoe do you knoe the guy the op is talking about isnt serving or ex forces?. NOT 1 of us know his story so judging him so harshly is wrong you should be ashamed of yourself. Weather acutal intent or cry for help it doesnt matter the only thing that does matter is the guy is safe and gets the right help. I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Why doesn't he deserve it?" Why does he deserve it? | |||
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"I think I should clarify something, if this gentleman is genuinely sick and trying to end his own life then yes I am desperately sorry for him and I hope he does get the help he sadly needs however if it's a different story then I stand by what I've said I agree with you mate, why should this guy drag other people into his quite honest selfish act. Think of the emergency services that have to be called why should they have to deal with it That's what the Samaritans are for on the end of the phone I've been there before you judge me and they helped me from doing myself in Because they signed up to protect all life in all situations. Perhaps if mental health services weren't being cut to the point of extinction people could get the help they need without 'cries for help' The samaritans do a great job (I know, I was one) but even they will encourage someone to call an ambulance if they feel they are at risk of killing themselves. If given permission and enough information they will call an ambulance if they feel the person is unable to do so. Suicide is an incredibly complex thing to understand, particularly if you have never been to such a place. If you read my post properly I have been in that situation and as an ex Samaritan I commend you as you saved my life !! Don't agree with the emergency services comment they should be helping people like rescuing people from burning buildings, someone who's had a heart attack an elderly lady robbed of her pension! Finally believing the bullshit media stories about funding cuts in mental health services I've not seen any evidence ? I did read it properly, I was answering your point abiut the emergency services. I'm glad that you found the help you needed through the samaritans but sadly sometimes just having someone to listen is not enough. Emergency services can't pick and choose who they help and I am glad of that. I know it's true about finding cuts. A charity in my town is massively over subscfibed with mental health referrals because services in our NHS trust have been reduced. Why do you think charities like samaritans are receiving higher and higher volumes of people reaching out for help? Not just on the phone but letters, emails, texts, face to face? I work in an environment where referrals to mental health services are made all the time and the hoops you have to through to prove who is in greater need are numerous and you fall off the process all too easily and have to start over. " Ok if you are in that environment then I believe about the cuts in funding But my point is why should it be up to the Emergency Services to deal with it also the potential to hurt inocent people | |||
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"I think I should clarify something, if this gentleman is genuinely sick and trying to end his own life then yes I am desperately sorry for him and I hope he does get the help he sadly needs however if it's a different story then I stand by what I've said I agree with you mate, why should this guy drag other people into his quite honest selfish act. Think of the emergency services that have to be called why should they have to deal with it That's what the Samaritans are for on the end of the phone I've been there before you judge me and they helped me from doing myself in Because they signed up to protect all life in all situations. Perhaps if mental health services weren't being cut to the point of extinction people could get the help they need without 'cries for help' The samaritans do a great job (I know, I was one) but even they will encourage someone to call an ambulance if they feel they are at risk of killing themselves. If given permission and enough information they will call an ambulance if they feel the person is unable to do so. Suicide is an incredibly complex thing to understand, particularly if you have never been to such a place. If you read my post properly I have been in that situation and as an ex Samaritan I commend you as you saved my life !! Don't agree with the emergency services comment they should be helping people like rescuing people from burning buildings, someone who's had a heart attack an elderly lady robbed of her pension! Finally believing the bullshit media stories about funding cuts in mental health services I've not seen any evidence ? So "emergency services should be helping people who've had a heart attack" Mental illness is just as serious as physical illness. The sooner people engage their brains and realise that the better the world will be for people who are suffering Really ?? Haven't read a single word have you? No they shouldn't help people with mental illnesses so a ride in an ambulance makes it better get a grip " As you say, you have been there a d luckily found the help of the samaritans enough to save you.... But what if you hadn't reached out to them? Are you saying you would have been totally OK if no one tried to save you. What if it was you mother, your child, your partner? Would you simply say 'no. Don't bother sending an ambulance, it won't help' | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us Of course it is and I completely agree. However it's what's relevant to that individual at that given moment in their life. Maybe I was abit harsh but I served 8 years in the armed forces and I know what suffering looks like I just find it absolutely mind blowing that anyone in our privileged country can honestly say that killing themselves is the only option " I find this sort of ridiculous. You can have the most "privileged" life and still feel that there's no other option. Considering you served on our armed forces, I'd expect a little more empathy. | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it?" Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. | |||
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"We turn out to people in this situation because we don't judge and it's what we train for. A life is a life regardless. " I really do understand your point but I simply can't agree with it, Hitler, Stalin, Fritzel, Bin Laden, Hussain where all lives but did they deserve to live? | |||
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"We turn out to people in this situation because we don't judge and it's what we train for. A life is a life regardless. I really do understand your point but I simply can't agree with it, Hitler, Stalin, Fritzel, Bin Laden, Hussain where all lives but did they deserve to live?" yes. they did, despite doing the most henious of acts. they also needed to be stopped so i can see why they were killed, although some were captured and could've gone to prison they were not taken there. do you really not believe that by being a participant to someone elses death makes you just as bad as they are? | |||
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"I think I should clarify something, if this gentleman is genuinely sick and trying to end his own life then yes I am desperately sorry for him and I hope he does get the help he sadly needs however if it's a different story then I stand by what I've said I agree with you mate, why should this guy drag other people into his quite honest selfish act. Think of the emergency services that have to be called why should they have to deal with it That's what the Samaritans are for on the end of the phone I've been there before you judge me and they helped me from doing myself in Because they signed up to protect all life in all situations. Perhaps if mental health services weren't being cut to the point of extinction people could get the help they need without 'cries for help' The samaritans do a great job (I know, I was one) but even they will encourage someone to call an ambulance if they feel they are at risk of killing themselves. If given permission and enough information they will call an ambulance if they feel the person is unable to do so. Suicide is an incredibly complex thing to understand, particularly if you have never been to such a place. If you read my post properly I have been in that situation and as an ex Samaritan I commend you as you saved my life !! Don't agree with the emergency services comment they should be helping people like rescuing people from burning buildings, someone who's had a heart attack an elderly lady robbed of her pension! Finally believing the bullshit media stories about funding cuts in mental health services I've not seen any evidence ? I did read it properly, I was answering your point abiut the emergency services. I'm glad that you found the help you needed through the samaritans but sadly sometimes just having someone to listen is not enough. Emergency services can't pick and choose who they help and I am glad of that. I know it's true about finding cuts. A charity in my town is massively over subscfibed with mental health referrals because services in our NHS trust have been reduced. Why do you think charities like samaritans are receiving higher and higher volumes of people reaching out for help? Not just on the phone but letters, emails, texts, face to face? I work in an environment where referrals to mental health services are made all the time and the hoops you have to through to prove who is in greater need are numerous and you fall off the process all too easily and have to start over. Ok if you are in that environment then I believe about the cuts in funding But my point is why should it be up to the Emergency Services to deal with it also the potential to hurt inocent people " Because they are ill! I really find it hard to believe that someone who has supposedly been saved from the brink of suicide cannot see that! The emergency services offer an in road to getting the help they need. Emergency assessment at hospital, admittance to appropriate wards and centres etc. They don't just fix broken bones. | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. " I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself" | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself" Having worked in this area for years, I've yet to meet someone who is wasting services' time. I've come across many judgemental people who like to think that's the case though. | |||
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"We turn out to people in this situation because we don't judge and it's what we train for. A life is a life regardless. I really do understand your point but I simply can't agree with it, Hitler, Stalin, Fritzel, Bin Laden, Hussain where all lives but did they deserve to live? yes. they did, despite doing the most henious of acts. they also needed to be stopped so i can see why they were killed, although some were captured and could've gone to prison they were not taken there. do you really not believe that by being a participant to someone elses death makes you just as bad as they are?" Yes 100% thats the reason I'm no longer in the forces as for the person who mentioned fighting for queen and country you could not be more wrong not one single person fights for that, you fight for the guys standing beside you looking death in the face you fight for the freedom of innocent people who know absolutely nothing of the outside world | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help?" And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing " Then don't we give him the benefit of the doubt? | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing " So assess and help him or tell him to get on with it because you know (you don't) he doesn't really mean it? | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing " I think it's probably a fair assumption that he needs help of some sort. Even if it's just to get down off the bridge without causing harm to anyone else. | |||
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"We turn out to people in this situation because we don't judge and it's what we train for. A life is a life regardless. I really do understand your point but I simply can't agree with it, Hitler, Stalin, Fritzel, Bin Laden, Hussain where all lives but did they deserve to live? yes. they did, despite doing the most henious of acts. they also needed to be stopped so i can see why they were killed, although some were captured and could've gone to prison they were not taken there. do you really not believe that by being a participant to someone elses death makes you just as bad as they are? Yes 100% thats the reason I'm no longer in the forces as for the person who mentioned fighting for queen and country you could not be more wrong not one single person fights for that, you fight for the guys standing beside you looking death in the face you fight for the freedom of innocent people who know absolutely nothing of the outside world " sorry if that brought up anything personal, i wasn't meaning it in that way and do get why people join the army and how that works. i also get why you'd leave. i do believe we are acting like 'god' when we decide who to save from death, and it is exactly the same thing when we decide who dies. i just 100% cannot support the killing of others non-consensually. i can support the saving of life non-consensually to a degree, it's a little more complicated than saving everyone though. and i'm a sucker for anyone reaching out for help and think it's ok to help them if you can do that. | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing Then don't we give him the benefit of the doubt?" Yes innocent until proven guilty is the public verdict but the forces teach it the other way around | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing Then don't we give him the benefit of the doubt? Yes innocent until proven guilty is the public verdict but the forces teach it the other way around" | |||
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"We turn out to people in this situation because we don't judge and it's what we train for. A life is a life regardless. I really do understand your point but I simply can't agree with it, Hitler, Stalin, Fritzel, Bin Laden, Hussain where all lives but did they deserve to live? yes. they did, despite doing the most henious of acts. they also needed to be stopped so i can see why they were killed, although some were captured and could've gone to prison they were not taken there. do you really not believe that by being a participant to someone elses death makes you just as bad as they are? Yes 100% thats the reason I'm no longer in the forces as for the person who mentioned fighting for queen and country you could not be more wrong not one single person fights for that, you fight for the guys standing beside you looking death in the face you fight for the freedom of innocent people who know absolutely nothing of the outside world sorry if that brought up anything personal, i wasn't meaning it in that way and do get why people join the army and how that works. i also get why you'd leave. i do believe we are acting like 'god' when we decide who to save from death, and it is exactly the same thing when we decide who dies. i just 100% cannot support the killing of others non-consensually. i can support the saving of life non-consensually to a degree, it's a little more complicated than saving everyone though. and i'm a sucker for anyone reaching out for help and think it's ok to help them if you can do that." You don't have to apologise to me you've done absolutely nothing wrong, I've enjoyed your points and even though I don't agree I understand and you've very eloquently put your point across without resorting to shouting swearing or name calling | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing Then don't we give him the benefit of the doubt? Yes innocent until proven guilty is the public verdict but the forces teach it the other way around" I know nothing about the forces, I'm talking about a man on a bridge who seems to be in a desperate situation. | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing Then don't we give him the benefit of the doubt? Yes innocent until proven guilty is the public verdict but the forces teach it the other way around" wow. | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing I think it's probably a fair assumption that he needs help of some sort. Even if it's just to get down off the bridge without causing harm to anyone else." Correct, I never said he never needed help all I was saying is that IF he is attention seeking then it's absolutely disgusting | |||
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"I'm out ! woolly liberals getting on my nerves
Was it woolly liberals who probably answered the phone to you when you needed them?
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"We turn out to people in this situation because we don't judge and it's what we train for. A life is a life regardless. I really do understand your point but I simply can't agree with it, Hitler, Stalin, Fritzel, Bin Laden, Hussain where all lives but did they deserve to live? yes. they did, despite doing the most henious of acts. they also needed to be stopped so i can see why they were killed, although some were captured and could've gone to prison they were not taken there. do you really not believe that by being a participant to someone elses death makes you just as bad as they are? Yes 100% thats the reason I'm no longer in the forces as for the person who mentioned fighting for queen and country you could not be more wrong not one single person fights for that, you fight for the guys standing beside you looking death in the face you fight for the freedom of innocent people who know absolutely nothing of the outside world sorry if that brought up anything personal, i wasn't meaning it in that way and do get why people join the army and how that works. i also get why you'd leave. i do believe we are acting like 'god' when we decide who to save from death, and it is exactly the same thing when we decide who dies. i just 100% cannot support the killing of others non-consensually. i can support the saving of life non-consensually to a degree, it's a little more complicated than saving everyone though. and i'm a sucker for anyone reaching out for help and think it's ok to help them if you can do that. You don't have to apologise to me you've done absolutely nothing wrong, I've enjoyed your points and even though I don't agree I understand and you've very eloquently put your point across without resorting to shouting swearing or name calling" wasn't sure if it looked personal so that's why i apologised but thanks for that. i've enjoyed debating with you also, for the same reasons. you put across your points really well.
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing I think it's probably a fair assumption that he needs help of some sort. Even if it's just to get down off the bridge without causing harm to anyone else. Correct, I never said he never needed help all I was saying is that IF he is attention seeking then it's absolutely disgusting" I think you should re-read the first few posts you made. | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing I think it's probably a fair assumption that he needs help of some sort. Even if it's just to get down off the bridge without causing harm to anyone else. Correct, I never said he never needed help all I was saying is that IF he is attention seeking then it's absolutely disgusting" The point is, if someone is doing this to seek attention, they're still vulnerable. It's a cry for help. It's not disgusting. If they don't get the help, then the next step could be finding this person dead in their bed. Look at the bigger picture. | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing I think it's probably a fair assumption that he needs help of some sort. Even if it's just to get down off the bridge without causing harm to anyone else. Correct, I never said he never needed help all I was saying is that IF he is attention seeking then it's absolutely disgusting" And what IF he isn't attention seeking? | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing I think it's probably a fair assumption that he needs help of some sort. Even if it's just to get down off the bridge without causing harm to anyone else. Correct, I never said he never needed help all I was saying is that IF he is attention seeking then it's absolutely disgusting I think you should re-read the first few posts you made." If he is attention seeking do you think it's right that precious time is being wasted on him? | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing I think it's probably a fair assumption that he needs help of some sort. Even if it's just to get down off the bridge without causing harm to anyone else. Correct, I never said he never needed help all I was saying is that IF he is attention seeking then it's absolutely disgusting And what IF he isn't attention seeking?" Then he absolutely deserves the correct time and resources to help him | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing I think it's probably a fair assumption that he needs help of some sort. Even if it's just to get down off the bridge without causing harm to anyone else. Correct, I never said he never needed help all I was saying is that IF he is attention seeking then it's absolutely disgusting I think you should re-read the first few posts you made. If he is attention seeking do you think it's right that precious time is being wasted on him?" Yes | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing I think it's probably a fair assumption that he needs help of some sort. Even if it's just to get down off the bridge without causing harm to anyone else. Correct, I never said he never needed help all I was saying is that IF he is attention seeking then it's absolutely disgusting I think you should re-read the first few posts you made. If he is attention seeking do you think it's right that precious time is being wasted on him?" Who makes the decision whether he is attention seeking or not? | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing I think it's probably a fair assumption that he needs help of some sort. Even if it's just to get down off the bridge without causing harm to anyone else. Correct, I never said he never needed help all I was saying is that IF he is attention seeking then it's absolutely disgusting I think you should re-read the first few posts you made. If he is attention seeking do you think it's right that precious time is being wasted on him? Yes" So that time thats being wasted on him is rightly taken away from someone who actually needs it | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing I think it's probably a fair assumption that he needs help of some sort. Even if it's just to get down off the bridge without causing harm to anyone else. Correct, I never said he never needed help all I was saying is that IF he is attention seeking then it's absolutely disgusting I think you should re-read the first few posts you made. If he is attention seeking do you think it's right that precious time is being wasted on him?" You're missing my point. You started out on one tack then changed it. I'm not prepared to make any comment on this guy. My comments are made from direct experience of a seriously ill family member. | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing I think it's probably a fair assumption that he needs help of some sort. Even if it's just to get down off the bridge without causing harm to anyone else. Correct, I never said he never needed help all I was saying is that IF he is attention seeking then it's absolutely disgusting I think you should re-read the first few posts you made. If he is attention seeking do you think it's right that precious time is being wasted on him? Yes So that time thats being wasted on him is rightly taken away from someone who actually needs it" Getting someone down from a dangerous situation is not wasted time. | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing I think it's probably a fair assumption that he needs help of some sort. Even if it's just to get down off the bridge without causing harm to anyone else. Correct, I never said he never needed help all I was saying is that IF he is attention seeking then it's absolutely disgusting I think you should re-read the first few posts you made. If he is attention seeking do you think it's right that precious time is being wasted on him? You're missing my point. You started out on one tack then changed it. I'm not prepared to make any comment on this guy. My comments are made from direct experience of a seriously ill family member." But this is not the same situation, your family member needed help and hopefully they got it but we know nothing about this man | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing I think it's probably a fair assumption that he needs help of some sort. Even if it's just to get down off the bridge without causing harm to anyone else. Correct, I never said he never needed help all I was saying is that IF he is attention seeking then it's absolutely disgusting I think you should re-read the first few posts you made. If he is attention seeking do you think it's right that precious time is being wasted on him? Yes So that time thats being wasted on him is rightly taken away from someone who actually needs it" No I think it has been explained to you that it is not just so simplistic. He obviously has a lot of emotional stuff going on and needs all the help he can get! | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing I think it's probably a fair assumption that he needs help of some sort. Even if it's just to get down off the bridge without causing harm to anyone else. Correct, I never said he never needed help all I was saying is that IF he is attention seeking then it's absolutely disgusting I think you should re-read the first few posts you made. If he is attention seeking do you think it's right that precious time is being wasted on him? Yes So that time thats being wasted on him is rightly taken away from someone who actually needs it Getting someone down from a dangerous situation is not wasted time. " This! | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing I think it's probably a fair assumption that he needs help of some sort. Even if it's just to get down off the bridge without causing harm to anyone else. Correct, I never said he never needed help all I was saying is that IF he is attention seeking then it's absolutely disgusting I think you should re-read the first few posts you made. If he is attention seeking do you think it's right that precious time is being wasted on him? You're missing my point. You started out on one tack then changed it. I'm not prepared to make any comment on this guy. My comments are made from direct experience of a seriously ill family member. But this is not the same situation, your family member needed help and hopefully they got it but we know nothing about this man" So we have to assume he needs help too. | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing I think it's probably a fair assumption that he needs help of some sort. Even if it's just to get down off the bridge without causing harm to anyone else. Correct, I never said he never needed help all I was saying is that IF he is attention seeking then it's absolutely disgusting I think you should re-read the first few posts you made. If he is attention seeking do you think it's right that precious time is being wasted on him? Yes So that time thats being wasted on him is rightly taken away from someone who actually needs it" Just popped back ! That's it in a nutshell to many experts on mental health who haven't got a damn clue Try and living with it !!! Hope this guy gets sorted and seeks all the help and resources that are offered to him | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing I think it's probably a fair assumption that he needs help of some sort. Even if it's just to get down off the bridge without causing harm to anyone else. Correct, I never said he never needed help all I was saying is that IF he is attention seeking then it's absolutely disgusting I think you should re-read the first few posts you made. If he is attention seeking do you think it's right that precious time is being wasted on him? You're missing my point. You started out on one tack then changed it. I'm not prepared to make any comment on this guy. My comments are made from direct experience of a seriously ill family member. But this is not the same situation, your family member needed help and hopefully they got it but we know nothing about this man" So it potentially could be the sake situation then? That's the whole point..... No one knows until they get him down its like the chicken and the egg. You can't shout up to him 'hey fella....csn you just let us know of this is just a cry for help or not so we know wether to call an ambulance, ta muchly!' | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing I think it's probably a fair assumption that he needs help of some sort. Even if it's just to get down off the bridge without causing harm to anyone else. Correct, I never said he never needed help all I was saying is that IF he is attention seeking then it's absolutely disgusting I think you should re-read the first few posts you made. If he is attention seeking do you think it's right that precious time is being wasted on him? Yes So that time thats being wasted on him is rightly taken away from someone who actually needs it Just popped back ! That's it in a nutshell to many experts on mental health who haven't got a damn clue Try and living with it !!! Hope this guy gets sorted and seeks all the help and resources that are offered to him " I find your comments the most obscure of all I have to say.... And your swerving of anwering any questions on them quite intriguing. | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing I think it's probably a fair assumption that he needs help of some sort. Even if it's just to get down off the bridge without causing harm to anyone else. Correct, I never said he never needed help all I was saying is that IF he is attention seeking then it's absolutely disgusting I think you should re-read the first few posts you made. If he is attention seeking do you think it's right that precious time is being wasted on him? Yes So that time thats being wasted on him is rightly taken away from someone who actually needs it Just popped back ! That's it in a nutshell to many experts on mental health who haven't got a damn clue Try and living with it !!! Hope this guy gets sorted and seeks all the help and resources that are offered to him " Many of us have lived with it and I hope he gets the help he deserves. | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing I think it's probably a fair assumption that he needs help of some sort. Even if it's just to get down off the bridge without causing harm to anyone else. Correct, I never said he never needed help all I was saying is that IF he is attention seeking then it's absolutely disgusting I think you should re-read the first few posts you made. If he is attention seeking do you think it's right that precious time is being wasted on him? You're missing my point. You started out on one tack then changed it. I'm not prepared to make any comment on this guy. My comments are made from direct experience of a seriously ill family member. But this is not the same situation, your family member needed help and hopefully they got it but we know nothing about this man" Which is precisely why I recommended that you re-read your first few posts in which you write as if you do. You then said you wanted discussion and that we know nothing about this man however when I point out that my comments come from direct experience of a different person you bring it back to this guy. | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing I think it's probably a fair assumption that he needs help of some sort. Even if it's just to get down off the bridge without causing harm to anyone else. Correct, I never said he never needed help all I was saying is that IF he is attention seeking then it's absolutely disgusting I think you should re-read the first few posts you made. If he is attention seeking do you think it's right that precious time is being wasted on him? You're missing my point. You started out on one tack then changed it. I'm not prepared to make any comment on this guy. My comments are made from direct experience of a seriously ill family member. But this is not the same situation, your family member needed help and hopefully they got it but we know nothing about this man So it potentially could be the sake situation then? That's the whole point..... No one knows until they get him down its like the chicken and the egg. You can't shout up to him 'hey fella....csn you just let us know of this is just a cry for help or not so we know wether to call an ambulance, ta muchly!' " I'm not saying that, we know absolutely nothing, the police/ambulance might know that he's killed/rap*d | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing I think it's probably a fair assumption that he needs help of some sort. Even if it's just to get down off the bridge without causing harm to anyone else. Correct, I never said he never needed help all I was saying is that IF he is attention seeking then it's absolutely disgusting I think you should re-read the first few posts you made. If he is attention seeking do you think it's right that precious time is being wasted on him? Yes So that time thats being wasted on him is rightly taken away from someone who actually needs it Just popped back ! That's it in a nutshell to many experts on mental health who haven't got a damn clue Try and living with it !!! Hope this guy gets sorted and seeks all the help and resources that are offered to him I find your comments the most obscure of all I have to say.... And your swerving of anwering any questions on them quite intriguing. " Me too. | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing I think it's probably a fair assumption that he needs help of some sort. Even if it's just to get down off the bridge without causing harm to anyone else. Correct, I never said he never needed help all I was saying is that IF he is attention seeking then it's absolutely disgusting I think you should re-read the first few posts you made. If he is attention seeking do you think it's right that precious time is being wasted on him? You're missing my point. You started out on one tack then changed it. I'm not prepared to make any comment on this guy. My comments are made from direct experience of a seriously ill family member. But this is not the same situation, your family member needed help and hopefully they got it but we know nothing about this man So it potentially could be the sake situation then? That's the whole point..... No one knows until they get him down its like the chicken and the egg. You can't shout up to him 'hey fella....csn you just let us know of this is just a cry for help or not so we know wether to call an ambulance, ta muchly!' I'm not saying that, we know absolutely nothing, the police/ambulance might know that he's killed/rap*d" Even if they do know that they will help him because it is not their place to decide if he lives or dies and that is how it should be. | |||
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"I'd like to make something clear, I have absolutely nothing against any of you personally I'm simply stating my view, and even though I don't agree with some of you I still welcome your comments and I'll defend your right to have an input I don't need my right to input defending ta!" You obviously can't have a discussion without taking it to heart | |||
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"I'd like to make something clear, I have absolutely nothing against any of you personally I'm simply stating my view, and even though I don't agree with some of you I still welcome your comments and I'll defend your right to have an input I don't need my right to input defending ta! You obviously can't have a discussion without taking it to heart" I'm not taking anything to heart. You gave your opinion and I think it's wrong, but I am perfectly able to defend my right to share my opinion, I don't need a white knight to do that for me. | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing I think it's probably a fair assumption that he needs help of some sort. Even if it's just to get down off the bridge without causing harm to anyone else. Correct, I never said he never needed help all I was saying is that IF he is attention seeking then it's absolutely disgusting I think you should re-read the first few posts you made. If he is attention seeking do you think it's right that precious time is being wasted on him? You're missing my point. You started out on one tack then changed it. I'm not prepared to make any comment on this guy. My comments are made from direct experience of a seriously ill family member. But this is not the same situation, your family member needed help and hopefully they got it but we know nothing about this man So it potentially could be the sake situation then? That's the whole point..... No one knows until they get him down its like the chicken and the egg. You can't shout up to him 'hey fella....csn you just let us know of this is just a cry for help or not so we know wether to call an ambulance, ta muchly!' I'm not saying that, we know absolutely nothing, the police/ambulance might know that he's killed/rap*d" My God you are ridiculous. The poor man is in a desperate situation and you've got him down as committing some sort of heinous crime | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing I think it's probably a fair assumption that he needs help of some sort. Even if it's just to get down off the bridge without causing harm to anyone else. Correct, I never said he never needed help all I was saying is that IF he is attention seeking then it's absolutely disgusting I think you should re-read the first few posts you made. If he is attention seeking do you think it's right that precious time is being wasted on him? You're missing my point. You started out on one tack then changed it. I'm not prepared to make any comment on this guy. My comments are made from direct experience of a seriously ill family member. But this is not the same situation, your family member needed help and hopefully they got it but we know nothing about this man So it potentially could be the sake situation then? That's the whole point..... No one knows until they get him down its like the chicken and the egg. You can't shout up to him 'hey fella....csn you just let us know of this is just a cry for help or not so we know wether to call an ambulance, ta muchly!' I'm not saying that, we know absolutely nothing, the police/ambulance might know that he's killed/rap*d My God you are ridiculous. The poor man is in a desperate situation and you've got him down as committing some sort of heinous crime "No, I'm paying devils advocate, I'm explaining it from another point of view none of us know anything about this situation in fact none of us even know if there was a guy standing over a bridge | |||
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"Maybe he found out his wife is on here I'm all for making light of situations pal but that's just in dire taste! I have absolutely no sympathy for people who are like this guy, if he was really intending on killing himself he would have already done it but no he's putting on a show making himself the centre of attention Gosh you seem like a nice bloke. Surprising I am, just not for people who don't appreciate the gift of life we have when there are millions upon millions in alot worse situations than us but you haven't a clue why he's there,people don't put themselves in that position for no reason. My point is more the fact he's doing it I public most people who usually end their own lives do it very privately as it's more an act of shame, this gentleman is doing it I public and making a scene of it which seems more like a cry out for attention/help to me but obviously I could be completely wrong" He may not be thinking rationally, it could be that he is so intent on what is going on in his head, and on getting the job done, that it has not occurred to him how public he is being. Chucking yourself off a bridge or a building is a different way out from sitting at home and taking pills or using a knife. Once you jump, there is no changing your mind whereas with the other things, you can change your mind and call for help before it's too late. In other countries where private individuals can own guns, I am sure more people commit suicide at home with a hand gun. I hope he doesn't/hasn't done it, nothing is worth doing that. | |||
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" I might be a prize prick but I'm arguing my point without name calling, yes it might be a cry for help, but should we really help people who don't deserve it? Doesn't deserve it? Who made you God and decider of who deserves help and who doesn't? Your comments have deeply offended me, I have been soooooo close to the edge a few times. I have been stood at the edge of a canal, teetering, praying a divine entity would push me in because I was too gutless to jump myself. Did I not deserve help? Go on, I fucking dare you to tell me I didn't. I was lucky enough to be found and carried home by some people walking their dog, but at that moment, that moment right there, everything was pointless, I was weak and broken. I think you're taking this personally, I'm not having a go at people who genuinely need help I'm having a go at the people who claim to need help and waste the valuable time of our services that could've been used to help the likes of yourself How do you know he doesn't genuinely need help? And I can simply say how do you know he does, none of us know a thing I think it's probably a fair assumption that he needs help of some sort. Even if it's just to get down off the bridge without causing harm to anyone else. Correct, I never said he never needed help all I was saying is that IF he is attention seeking then it's absolutely disgusting I think you should re-read the first few posts you made. If he is attention seeking do you think it's right that precious time is being wasted on him? You're missing my point. You started out on one tack then changed it. I'm not prepared to make any comment on this guy. My comments are made from direct experience of a seriously ill family member. But this is not the same situation, your family member needed help and hopefully they got it but we know nothing about this man So it potentially could be the sake situation then? That's the whole point..... No one knows until they get him down its like the chicken and the egg. You can't shout up to him 'hey fella....csn you just let us know of this is just a cry for help or not so we know wether to call an ambulance, ta muchly!' I'm not saying that, we know absolutely nothing, the police/ambulance might know that he's killed/rap*d My God you are ridiculous. The poor man is in a desperate situation and you've got him down as committing some sort of heinous crime
No, I'm paying devils advocate, I'm explaining it from another point of view none of us know anything about this situation in fact none of us even know if there was a guy standing over a bridge"It would be better for the authorities to know his situation before he decides to jump. He could have just lost a loved one, he could have been diagnosed with an incurable disease, who knows, but even so, the emergency services would still say it was their duty to save life. | |||
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"I really hope he got the help he needed.. A lot of the comments on here made me quite sad tbh, i have mdd just like my nana did and it at times can be a very scary scary thing and I will think things that are not normal at all and my physical injury can make those feelings worse at times. Its close to my heart this situation as ive said before my nana committed suicide, she went missing and when we eventually found her a week later she's taken a massive overdose which triggered a heartattack when she went unconscious. I've read her diary leading up to everything and it scares me as at time she say's thing I think too. Just try and have a little empathy for people as you never know exactly what they are going through or thinking. " Fully agree
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"Rob, I hope you never suffer with poor mental health. " Been there and worked through it but thank you | |||
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