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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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He will be released today or tommorow, cos on the 28th march they said it would be 2 weeks left, have you followed the case and what is rour view of it? He should get a medal, not a sentence, some even say he is a rambo   |
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"He will be released today or tommorow, cos on the 28th march they said it would be 2 weeks left, have you followed the case and what is rour view of it? He should get a medal, not a sentence, some even say he is a rambo "
Didnt he admit to breaking the Geneva convention and conspire with others to lie and cover it up ?
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"He will be released today or tommorow, cos on the 28th march they said it would be 2 weeks left, have you followed the case and what is rour view of it? He should get a medal, not a sentence, some even say he is a rambo Didnt he admit to breaking the Geneva convention and conspire with others to lie and cover it up ?
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Yes he did which was a mistake, it is a war after all. |
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"He will be released today or tommorow, cos on the 28th march they said it would be 2 weeks left, have you followed the case and what is rour view of it? He should get a medal, not a sentence, some even say he is a rambo Didnt he admit to breaking the Geneva convention and conspire with others to lie and cover it up ?
Yes he did which was a mistake, it is a war after all."
on the flip side,it was ok for that guy on Westminster bridge or Sweden then,"it is war after all" i dont think so. |
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Have always felt that to justify going to war as the defender you must act and behave above and beyond the people you reguard as the aggressor otherwise how can you occupy the moral high ground? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He will be released today or tommorow, cos on the 28th march they said it would be 2 weeks left, have you followed the case and what is rour view of it? He should get a medal, not a sentence, some even say he is a rambo Didnt he admit to breaking the Geneva convention and conspire with others to lie and cover it up ?
Yes he did which was a mistake, it is a war after all."
which has laws and rules. seems he knowingly broke them.That isn't a mistake, it was a calculated action, premeditated. so either we uphold laws or we dont. Lets not lie about this. |
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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago
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At the end of the day he shot the enemy rather than risk the lives of a medivac crew.
Cold blooded yes, but then no one bats an eyelid when allied bombing in Iraq kills hundreds if not thousands of true innocents.
So let him out. Not saying he's innocent but is anyone that pushes a button or pulls a trigger?
Collateral damage I believe the term is.
On another note i'm still waiting for the report of deaths from Sarin from the US airstrikes, I don't think they'll be making any announcement soon though. 
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He will be released today or tommorow, cos on the 28th march they said it would be 2 weeks left, have you followed the case and what is rour view of it? He should get a medal, not a sentence, some even say he is a rambo Didnt he admit to breaking the Geneva convention and conspire with others to lie and cover it up ?
Yes he did which was a mistake, it is a war after all.
on the flip side,it was ok for that guy on Westminster bridge or Sweden then,"it is war after all" i dont think so."
Agreed.
Why have rules and laws if we are going to excuse or ignore situations when they are broken or not respected.
Having no respect for the laws that separate us from those that have no rules and laws, makes us no better than them.
Anyone who thinks differently has no right to be outraged when the same is done to our soldiers, as by that logic "it is war after all" and anything goes. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"At the end of the day he shot the enemy rather than risk the lives of a medivac crew.
Cold blooded yes, but then no one bats an eyelid when allied bombing in Iraq kills hundreds if not thousands of true innocents.
So let him out. Not saying he's innocent but is anyone that pushes a button or pulls a trigger?
Collateral damage I believe the term is.
On another note i'm still waiting for the report of deaths from Sarin from the US airstrikes, I don't think they'll be making any announcement soon though.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Have always felt that to justify going to war as the defender you must act and behave above and beyond the people you reguard as the aggressor otherwise how can you occupy the moral high ground?"
Yes and a good saing is, walk one mile in his shoes.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Have always felt that to justify going to war as the defender you must act and behave above and beyond the people you reguard as the aggressor otherwise how can you occupy the moral high ground?Yes and a good saing is, walk one mile in his shoes."
You can equally say the same for the people who attacked him and his comrades. Lets face it, they were in their country fighting against an invading army. Im not sure the position you are holding is defendable.
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By (user no longer on site)
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I'm still struggling with this. On one hand I want to support a fellow squaddile, and in some ways I do, but on the other hand there's the tiny fact that he admitted it on camera and was found guilty.
Does he deserve a medal? No. There's been some stunning examples of courage during the shit storm that was the Iraq and Afghan campaign; some were recognised, others weren't.
Does he deserve to get on with his life now? Absolutely.
What really gets me is why we need to sensationalise everything these days! I blame Help for Heroes. That said, they were reacting to the government's shocking support for returning service personnel so actually I'll blame the government and our (us, Joe public) apparent lust for sensationalism. |
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"Justice for marine a... still found guilty of manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility
Still unlawfully killed someone "
Still the correct response. The situation there was bad, there were a lot of circumstances that resulted in that action.
But that is the bottom line, and he blatantly admitted the fact on camera.
There is nothing to cheer about here. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The law is always broken at times of war,be it for good or bad,soldiers don't get recognised enough for there lives they put on the line every day to keep us free and alive,they have to make a split second decision that can change there life forever at a young age,in this case he was calculated in his decision and had time to think properly before he pulled the trigger therefore he must be prosecuted to the full extent of the law |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm still struggling with this. On one hand I want to support a fellow squaddile, and in some ways I do, but on the other hand there's the tiny fact that he admitted it on camera and was found guilty.
Does he deserve a medal? No. There's been some stunning examples of courage during the shit storm that was the Iraq and Afghan campaign; some were recognised, others weren't.
Does he deserve to get on with his life now? Absolutely.
What really gets me is why we need to sensationalise everything these days! I blame Help for Heroes. That said, they were reacting to the government's shocking support for returning service personnel so actually I'll blame the government and our (us, Joe public) apparent lust for sensationalism. "
Perhaps also govts lust for war. I'm not sure why they decided to send young men and women there in the first place. Some hold the opinion that the "war" was illegal & they may well have a good point. I say "war" but it doesn't really resemble what I think of as war. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The law is always broken at times of war,be it for good or bad,soldiers don't get recognised enough for there lives they put on the line every day to keep us free and alive,they have to make a split second decision that can change there life forever at a young age,in this case he was calculated in his decision and had time to think properly before he pulled the trigger therefore he must be prosecuted to the full extent of the law"
hmmm ok. Personally i don't see how these particular conflicts have protected my life and freedom. In fact they have done more to damage my life and freedom than if we hadn't gone.
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By *ustme6Man
over a year ago
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"He will be released today or tommorow, cos on the 28th march they said it would be 2 weeks left, have you followed the case and what is rour view of it? He should get a medal, not a sentence, some even say he is a rambo Didnt he admit to breaking the Geneva convention and conspire with others to lie and cover it up ?
Yes he did which was a mistake, it is a war after all.
on the flip side,it was ok for that guy on Westminster bridge or Sweden then,"it is war after all" i dont think so.
Agreed.
Why have rules and laws if we are going to excuse or ignore situations when they are broken or not respected.
Having no respect for the laws that separate us from those that have no rules and laws, makes us no better than them.
Anyone who thinks differently has no right to be outraged when the same is done to our soldiers, as by that logic "it is war after all" and anything goes."
Think the term in combat term is coup de gras, the problem was coldly talking and broadcasting it. Had he put one extra bullet in the guy to finish off the threat,noone would ever have spoken of it. Afriad war isnt clinical, if we start holding our troops to higher standards then we start questioing things like....should he have fired one bullet to disable or two to kill....where does it stop. More than enough troops under invesstigation for doing the job we trained and trusted them to do...a national disgrace. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He will be released today or tommorow, cos on the 28th march they said it would be 2 weeks left, have you followed the case and what is rour view of it? He should get a medal, not a sentence, some even say he is a rambo Didnt he admit to breaking the Geneva convention and conspire with others to lie and cover it up ?
Yes he did which was a mistake, it is a war after all.
on the flip side,it was ok for that guy on Westminster bridge or Sweden then,"it is war after all" i dont think so.
Agreed.
Why have rules and laws if we are going to excuse or ignore situations when they are broken or not respected.
Having no respect for the laws that separate us from those that have no rules and laws, makes us no better than them.
Anyone who thinks differently has no right to be outraged when the same is done to our soldiers, as by that logic "it is war after all" and anything goes. Think the term in combat term is coup de gras, the problem was coldly talking and broadcasting it. Had he put one extra bullet in the guy to finish off the threat,noone would ever have spoken of it. Afriad war isnt clinical, if we start holding our troops to higher standards then we start questioing things like....should he have fired one bullet to disable or two to kill....where does it stop. More than enough troops under invesstigation for doing the job we trained and trusted them to do...a national disgrace. "
so are you saying he shot to disable a threat ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He will be released today or tommorow, cos on the 28th march they said it would be 2 weeks left, have you followed the case and what is rour view of it? He should get a medal, not a sentence, some even say he is a rambo "
A medal?!
"Listen boys, I've just broke the Geneva convention. Don't tell any one there will be trouble"
In short, no he shouldn't get a medal. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He will be released today or tommorow, cos on the 28th march they said it would be 2 weeks left, have you followed the case and what is rour view of it? He should get a medal, not a sentence, some even say he is a rambo
A medal?!
"Listen boys, I've just broke the Geneva convention. Don't tell any one there will be trouble"
In short, no he shouldn't get a medal. "
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"He will be released today or tommorow, cos on the 28th march they said it would be 2 weeks left, have you followed the case and what is rour view of it? He should get a medal, not a sentence, some even say he is a rambo Didnt he admit to breaking the Geneva convention and conspire with others to lie and cover it up ?
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Yes and he isn't appealing the manslaughter charge either.
He's no hero.
But I do feel that while the murder charge was possibly too much this conviction is perfectly just. The argument that IS would have done worse in no way stands up to scrutiny. |
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"He will be released today or tommorow, cos on the 28th march they said it would be 2 weeks left, have you followed the case and what is rour view of it? He should get a medal, not a sentence, some even say he is a rambo Didnt he admit to breaking the Geneva convention and conspire with others to lie and cover it up ?
Yes he did which was a mistake, it is a war after all."
Could they have argued that at Nuremburg ? 
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By (user no longer on site)
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I admit I don't know the full facts of the case, but effectively he shot an injured enemy, who might have died slowly, or possibly fairly quickly from his injuries.
Was it merciful? Was it for the greater good? There is all sorts of moral reasoning behind the action that we may never fully know.
He has paid for his transgression and should be allowed to get on with his life now x |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I admit I don't know the full facts of the case, but effectively he shot an injured enemy, who might have died slowly, or possibly fairly quickly from his injuries.
Was it merciful? Was it for the greater good? There is all sorts of moral reasoning behind the action that we may never fully know.
He has paid for his transgression and should be allowed to get on with his life now x"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He will be released today or tommorow, cos on the 28th march they said it would be 2 weeks left, have you followed the case and what is rour view of it? He should get a medal, not a sentence, some even say he is a rambo Didnt he admit to breaking the Geneva convention and conspire with others to lie and cover it up ?
Yes he did which was a mistake, it is a war after all.
Could they have argued that at Nuremburg ?
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They were only following orders. |
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By *ustme6Man
over a year ago
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"He will be released today or tommorow, cos on the 28th march they said it would be 2 weeks left, have you followed the case and what is rour view of it? He should get a medal, not a sentence, some even say he is a rambo Didnt he admit to breaking the Geneva convention and conspire with others to lie and cover it up ?
Yes he did which was a mistake, it is a war after all.
on the flip side,it was ok for that guy on Westminster bridge or Sweden then,"it is war after all" i dont think so.
Agreed.
Why have rules and laws if we are going to excuse or ignore situations when they are broken or not respected.
Having no respect for the laws that separate us from those that have no rules and laws, makes us no better than them.
Anyone who thinks differently has no right to be outraged when the same is done to our soldiers, as by that logic "it is war after all" and anything goes. Think the term in combat term is coup de gras, the problem was coldly talking and broadcasting it. Had he put one extra bullet in the guy to finish off the threat,noone would ever have spoken of it. Afriad war isnt clinical, if we start holding our troops to higher standards then we start questioing things like....should he have fired one bullet to disable or two to kill....where does it stop. More than enough troops under invesstigation for doing the job we trained and trusted them to do...a national disgrace. so are you saying he shot to disable a threat ? "
No Im not Taliban was disabled and dieing quickly inagony having been shot by multiple50 cal apache arms. Coup de gras. What would I have done probably put a few bandages on him....carried onwith the mission by which time he would have bled out in 10 mins.....wouldi have been guilty of murder...My acts would equally have ensured the taliban would die?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I admit I don't know the full facts of the case, but effectively he shot an injured enemy, who might have died slowly, or possibly fairly quickly from his injuries.
Was it merciful? Was it for the greater good? There is all sorts of moral reasoning behind the action that we may never fully know.
He has paid for his transgression and should be allowed to get on with his life now x"
He didn't have to make a decision about whether it was merciful or for the greater good because there are rules of war which covered that situation.Besides that in the moment he was well aware of those rules and the consequences, asking others to collude and lie. |
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"He will be released today or tommorow, cos on the 28th march they said it would be 2 weeks left, have you followed the case and what is rour view of it? He should get a medal, not a sentence, some even say he is a rambo Didnt he admit to breaking the Geneva convention and conspire with others to lie and cover it up ?
Yes he did which was a mistake, it is a war after all.
on the flip side,it was ok for that guy on Westminster bridge or Sweden then,"it is war after all" i dont think so.
Agreed.
Why have rules and laws if we are going to excuse or ignore situations when they are broken or not respected.
Having no respect for the laws that separate us from those that have no rules and laws, makes us no better than them.
Anyone who thinks differently has no right to be outraged when the same is done to our soldiers, as by that logic "it is war after all" and anything goes. Think the term in combat term is coup de gras, the problem was coldly talking and broadcasting it. Had he put one extra bullet in the guy to finish off the threat,noone would ever have spoken of it. Afriad war isnt clinical, if we start holding our troops to higher standards then we start questioing things like....should he have fired one bullet to disable or two to kill....where does it stop. More than enough troops under invesstigation for doing the job we trained and trusted them to do...a national disgrace. "
Troops like all other people who work in and for the government have codes of conduct, operating procedures and in some cases the law of the land to adhere to in carrying out their duty..
It's what separates us as a democracy from groups like the taliban and ISIS etc..
Simply look at the case of Baha Mousa in Iraq and tell me if he was your son or brother you would have the same view that it would be a disgrace for those who held his duty of care to not be investigated ..? |
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I think when you verbally abuse someone before you kill them and then joke about disregarding the Geneva convention immediately afterwards you can't then claim it was a humane act as they were mortally injured. Which in fairness marine A hasn't but seems to be the defence adopted by his supporters |
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"Rules for war is stupid. If you regulate war, then you condone it as a legitimate course of action to settle disputes.Madness.  "
It does not condone war, but tries to make it more humane for the participants (particularly as in many cases the participants have not been particularly willing).
Rules for exchanging prisoners, good treatment of injured etc. had loosely been in place for hundreds (if not thousands) of years.
The Geneva Convention simply took these and enshrined them in international law, whilst wrapping a few extra bits and pieces in there too.
It's seems sensible if we can't end war, and I can't see that happening soon, then at least try to stop the worse excesses. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The subject of Marine A, has been dissected & discussed, in all adult forms, for several weeks, and my views, are well known. I support the Marine, and felt the decision (sentence) was politically motivated, rather than credible. The discussions and arguments, for and against, went back & forth.
I've even acquired some alternative viewpoint, fab friends, as a result.
I'm glad he's about to be imminently released (if indeed, it hasn't happened already, to defuse, the sensitivity?).
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"He will be released today or tommorow, cos on the 28th march they said it would be 2 weeks left, have you followed the case and what is rour view of it? He should get a medal, not a sentence, some even say he is a rambo Didnt he admit to breaking the Geneva convention and conspire with others to lie and cover it up ?
Yes he did which was a mistake, it is a war after all."
it also transpires he had mental health issues at the time and was under a lot of stress |
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The Geneva convention does not apply to terrorists or other people not operating openly and in uniform.
They are not governed by the Geneva convention in most UN or NATO peacekeeping missions or in Iraq or Afghanistan. They are however governed by strict rules of engagement.
This is because moraly we are better than the people we fight in these places, yes if the taliban had a wounded marine they would of tortured him to death and probably videoed it and left his mutilated corpse to be seen by all.
No I don't actually disagree with what he did, I take exception to the way it was done.
I also take exception to our troops being sent places then in some cases years later be pulled in and re interviewed over shootings that were considered clean at the time.
My biggest exception is to the rules of engagement they are forced to work under and they way they are treated if they make a mistake.
Most people also don't take into consideration how easy it is, when you are trained to be aggressive and instilled with this fighting spirit they spend so long instilling in our troops in training to lose your temper for an instant.
If he was a mechanic he would of slung his spanner. As it was he was armed with an SA80 and had one of the people who had been targeting his unit right in front of him.
Also often forgot is the fact as a Sargent his main job is not to actually lead troops but to administer and supply them and keep the platoon as effective and healthy as possible. I can't imagine what it is like to be responsible for the welfare of 30 or so young soldiers, who would all be looking up to him. Then watch them killed crippled maimed and disfigured. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Point of fact 'mercy killing' is forbidden under the Geneva convention.
My main reason for not disagreeing with him killing that talibab is not that I think they are all scum who don't deserve to stand trial or be treated with any compassion or human rights (I don't btw) the main reason is that they should of by rights put him into the casualty casvac system. Along side our wounded troops where he would enter the same triage system.
He would be treated by medical priority, possibly making some of our guys await treatment longer. So ya know fuck him. They are the kind of shit who blind little girls who want to learn to read. |
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i don't lose any sleep over what happens to folks when they decided to engage in a life of violence .... this guy willingly engaged in violence and the authorities are going to just allow him to walk amongst the public when he's already shown poor judgement and a lack of restraint? seems a bit daft really .... wonder how long before we see his name in the papers again |
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"i don't lose any sleep over what happens to folks when they decided to engage in a life of violence .... this guy willingly engaged in violence and the authorities are going to just allow him to walk amongst the public when he's already shown poor judgement and a lack of restraint? seems a bit daft really .... wonder how long before we see his name in the papers again"
Probably never in connection with anything else ever again.
Did Lee Clegg ever get pulled up again?
Did guardsmen Fisher and Wright?
Your freedom and rights are not guarded and protected by some short haired liberal lesbian with a placard.
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"i don't lose any sleep over what happens to folks when they decided to engage in a life of violence .... this guy willingly engaged in violence and the authorities are going to just allow him to walk amongst the public when he's already shown poor judgement and a lack of restraint? seems a bit daft really .... wonder how long before we see his name in the papers again
Probably never in connection with anything else ever again.
Did Lee Clegg ever get pulled up again?
Did guardsmen Fisher and Wright?
Your freedom and rights are not guarded and protected by some short haired liberal lesbian with a placard.
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what an odd thing to say |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Alexander blackman should not have gone to prison in the first place...he did the guy a favour and I for one would have done the same...why use your own morphine and med kit on a guy that's just been trying to kill you and your mates. |
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"Alexander blackman should not have gone to prison in the first place...he did the guy a favour and I for one would have done the same...why use your own morphine and med kit on a guy that's just been trying to kill you and your mates."
Because it's the law? |
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"i don't lose any sleep over what happens to folks when they decided to engage in a life of violence .... this guy willingly engaged in violence and the authorities are going to just allow him to walk amongst the public when he's already shown poor judgement and a lack of restraint? seems a bit daft really .... wonder how long before we see his name in the papers again"
He was a professional solider. A Royal Marine. A Commando.
He was trained to be ruthless and an effective killing machine, when required.
He'd completed several tours, with conflicts, firefights, pressure environments, 24/7 that most cannot comprehend.
As a Sergeant, he was responsible for his patrol, and his conduct, was exemplary, up until the point he lost his reasoning, and acted in a manner, which drew criticism. Reasons for that behaviour, have been well documented.
The man, has served a sentence,
and the man, has served his country, which in turn, served you. |
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"i don't lose any sleep over what happens to folks when they decided to engage in a life of violence .... this guy willingly engaged in violence and the authorities are going to just allow him to walk amongst the public when he's already shown poor judgement and a lack of restraint? seems a bit daft really .... wonder how long before we see his name in the papers again
Probably never in connection with anything else ever again.
Did Lee Clegg ever get pulled up again?
Did guardsmen Fisher and Wright?
Your freedom and rights are not guarded and protected by some short haired liberal lesbian with a placard.
what an odd thing to say"
Not really Lee Clegg was in 3para and was tried and convicted and later cleared of excessive force in Norther Ireland when his patrol (including attached police) stopped a car full of joyriders that crashed a checkpoint. It was claimed he fired deliberate aimed shots with no justification after the vehicle has stopped and was no longer a threat.
Accused of murder. Last I heated he was a medic in the airborne.
Guardsmen Fisher and Wright were two Scots guardsmen who were accused of murder and cleared after they shot some one in norther Ireland who the believed was about to throw a blast device in a carrier bag (more swing more range) witnesses claim it was swimming trunks. No bag was recovered.
You can not give a toss about people who chose 'violence' personally I joined up because I had ruined my life.
But the reason you are not living under nazi or communist rule or in an Islamic fundamentalist state isn't because of people like you is it? |
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His comments to cover it up means he lost my faith. .. regardless of the situation he was a proffesional soldier..not a brainwashed loony who was likely just trying to get some money for his family...(hard to hear tjat i know but there is no job centre out there!)
The fault lies squarley at the foot of his C.O who should have spotted his mental state was falling apart....but....like too many others the army couldnt give two s#!ts about the welfare of their troops....now or especially when they leave the forces!
To be fair....WTF is this doimg on a swinging site!!! Really??
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"Alexander blackman should not have gone to prison in the first place...he did the guy a favour and I for one would have done the same...why use your own morphine and med kit on a guy that's just been trying to kill you and your mates.
Because it's the law? "
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He did what has probably been done thousands of times before, he went to jail for being stupid enough to do it on camera.
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"i don't lose any sleep over what happens to folks when they decided to engage in a life of violence .... this guy willingly engaged in violence and the authorities are going to just allow him to walk amongst the public when he's already shown poor judgement and a lack of restraint? seems a bit daft really .... wonder how long before we see his name in the papers again
He was a professional solider. A Royal Marine. A Commando.
He was trained to be ruthless and an effective killing machine, when required.
He'd completed several tours, with conflicts, firefights, pressure environments, 24/7 that most cannot comprehend.
As a Sergeant, he was responsible for his patrol, and his conduct, was exemplary, up until the point he lost his reasoning, and acted in a manner, which drew criticism. Reasons for that behaviour, have been well documented.
The man, has served a sentence,
and the man, has served his country, which in turn, served you."
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"Alexander blackman should not have gone to prison in the first place...he did the guy a favour and I for one would have done the same...why use your own morphine and med kit on a guy that's just been trying to kill you and your mates.
Because it's the law?
Did they have duty of care? It's a none Geneva convention conflict. "
Define non-Geneva convention conflict. We have signed the conventions and therefore abide by them.
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"i don't lose any sleep over what happens to folks when they decided to engage in a life of violence .... this guy willingly engaged in violence and the authorities are going to just allow him to walk amongst the public when he's already shown poor judgement and a lack of restraint? seems a bit daft really .... wonder how long before we see his name in the papers again
Probably never in connection with anything else ever again.
Did Lee Clegg ever get pulled up again?
Did guardsmen Fisher and Wright?
Your freedom and rights are not guarded and protected by some short haired liberal lesbian with a placard.
what an odd thing to say
Not really Lee Clegg was in 3para and was tried and convicted and later cleared of excessive force in Norther Ireland when his patrol (including attached police) stopped a car full of joyriders that crashed a checkpoint. It was claimed he fired deliberate aimed shots with no justification after the vehicle has stopped and was no longer a threat.
Accused of murder. Last I heated he was a medic in the airborne.
Guardsmen Fisher and Wright were two Scots guardsmen who were accused of murder and cleared after they shot some one in norther Ireland who the believed was about to throw a blast device in a carrier bag (more swing more range) witnesses claim it was swimming trunks. No bag was recovered.
You can not give a toss about people who chose 'violence' personally I joined up because I had ruined my life.
But the reason you are not living under nazi or communist rule or in an Islamic fundamentalist state isn't because of people like you is it? "
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"Alexander blackman should not have gone to prison in the first place...he did the guy a favour and I for one would have done the same...why use your own morphine and med kit on a guy that's just been trying to kill you and your mates.
Because it's the law?
Did they have duty of care? It's a none Geneva convention conflict.
Define non-Geneva convention conflict. We have signed the conventions and therefore abide by them.
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A conflict that is not covered by the Geneva convention.
The Geneva convention does not cover irregular forces. |
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"i don't lose any sleep over what happens to folks when they decided to engage in a life of violence .... this guy willingly engaged in violence and the authorities are going to just allow him to walk amongst the public when he's already shown poor judgement and a lack of restraint? seems a bit daft really .... wonder how long before we see his name in the papers again
Probably never in connection with anything else ever again.
Did Lee Clegg ever get pulled up again?
Did guardsmen Fisher and Wright?
Your freedom and rights are not guarded and protected by some short haired liberal lesbian with a placard.
what an odd thing to say
Not really Lee Clegg was in 3para and was tried and convicted and later cleared of excessive force in Norther Ireland when his patrol (including attached police) stopped a car full of joyriders that crashed a checkpoint. It was claimed he fired deliberate aimed shots with no justification after the vehicle has stopped and was no longer a threat.
Accused of murder. Last I heated he was a medic in the airborne.
Guardsmen Fisher and Wright were two Scots guardsmen who were accused of murder and cleared after they shot some one in norther Ireland who the believed was about to throw a blast device in a carrier bag (more swing more range) witnesses claim it was swimming trunks. No bag was recovered.
You can not give a toss about people who chose 'violence' personally I joined up because I had ruined my life.
But the reason you are not living under nazi or communist rule or in an Islamic fundamentalist state isn't because of people like you is it?
here we go again .... you chose a job .... it's nothing at all to do with me so don't go dragging me into your blind dogma of violence "
Also with regards to the no one served you.
For every IRA atrocity carried out the security forces prevented 20. So that's how many times 20 that you potentially didn't get blown up in a pub or members of your family?
I'm not sure how many Islamic nutcases they prevent every year.
You probably don't think the police are there to protect you either.
You probably have no respect for all the little MI5 analysts who look for people using violence to try and erode our freedom.
Bet you have zero respect for all the UN IFOR and other things like helping train anti poaching units in Africa that, nasty people like me chose as a career |
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"i don't lose any sleep over what happens to folks when they decided to engage in a life of violence .... this guy willingly engaged in violence and the authorities are going to just allow him to walk amongst the public when he's already shown poor judgement and a lack of restraint? seems a bit daft really .... wonder how long before we see his name in the papers again
Probably never in connection with anything else ever again.
Did Lee Clegg ever get pulled up again?
Did guardsmen Fisher and Wright?
Your freedom and rights are not guarded and protected by some short haired liberal lesbian with a placard.
what an odd thing to say
Not really Lee Clegg was in 3para and was tried and convicted and later cleared of excessive force in Norther Ireland when his patrol (including attached police) stopped a car full of joyriders that crashed a checkpoint. It was claimed he fired deliberate aimed shots with no justification after the vehicle has stopped and was no longer a threat.
Accused of murder. Last I heated he was a medic in the airborne.
Guardsmen Fisher and Wright were two Scots guardsmen who were accused of murder and cleared after they shot some one in norther Ireland who the believed was about to throw a blast device in a carrier bag (more swing more range) witnesses claim it was swimming trunks. No bag was recovered.
You can not give a toss about people who chose 'violence' personally I joined up because I had ruined my life.
But the reason you are not living under nazi or communist rule or in an Islamic fundamentalist state isn't because of people like you is it?
here we go again .... you chose a job .... it's nothing at all to do with me so don't go dragging me into your blind dogma of violence
Also with regards to the no one served you.
For every IRA atrocity carried out the security forces prevented 20. So that's how many times 20 that you potentially didn't get blown up in a pub or members of your family?
I'm not sure how many Islamic nutcases they prevent every year.
You probably don't think the police are there to protect you either.
You probably have no respect for all the little MI5 analysts who look for people using violence to try and erode our freedom.
Bet you have zero respect for all the UN IFOR and other things like helping train anti poaching units in Africa that, nasty people like me chose as a career "
you clearly need to spend some time away from the keyboard chap |
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What he did wasn't cricket, but nothing that hasn't happened in other wars. When I think back to some of the stories my old grandad used to tell me about ww2
But I think a lot of people are missing the point, Einstein recorded himself doing it, that's how we know it happened. Then I let someone else have the film.
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"i don't lose any sleep over what happens to folks when they decided to engage in a life of violence .... this guy willingly engaged in violence and the authorities are going to just allow him to walk amongst the public when he's already shown poor judgement and a lack of restraint? seems a bit daft really .... wonder how long before we see his name in the papers again
Probably never in connection with anything else ever again.
Did Lee Clegg ever get pulled up again?
Did guardsmen Fisher and Wright?
Your freedom and rights are not guarded and protected by some short haired liberal lesbian with a placard.
what an odd thing to say
Not really Lee Clegg was in 3para and was tried and convicted and later cleared of excessive force in Norther Ireland when his patrol (including attached police) stopped a car full of joyriders that crashed a checkpoint. It was claimed he fired deliberate aimed shots with no justification after the vehicle has stopped and was no longer a threat.
Accused of murder. Last I heated he was a medic in the airborne.
Guardsmen Fisher and Wright were two Scots guardsmen who were accused of murder and cleared after they shot some one in norther Ireland who the believed was about to throw a blast device in a carrier bag (more swing more range) witnesses claim it was swimming trunks. No bag was recovered.
You can not give a toss about people who chose 'violence' personally I joined up because I had ruined my life.
But the reason you are not living under nazi or communist rule or in an Islamic fundamentalist state isn't because of people like you is it?
here we go again .... you chose a job .... it's nothing at all to do with me so don't go dragging me into your blind dogma of violence
Also with regards to the no one served you.
For every IRA atrocity carried out the security forces prevented 20. So that's how many times 20 that you potentially didn't get blown up in a pub or members of your family?
I'm not sure how many Islamic nutcases they prevent every year.
You probably don't think the police are there to protect you either.
You probably have no respect for all the little MI5 analysts who look for people using violence to try and erode our freedom.
Bet you have zero respect for all the UN IFOR and other things like helping train anti poaching units in Africa that, nasty people like me chose as a career
you clearly need to spend some time away from the keyboard chap"
Why? Because I have made valid points against your throw away post punk nihilistic sentiment?
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"What he did wasn't cricket, but nothing that hasn't happened in other wars. When I think back to some of the stories my old grandad used to tell me about ww2
But I think a lot of people are missing the point, Einstein recorded himself doing it, that's how we know it happened. Then I let someone else have the film.
He deserves to go to prison for being so stupid "
Actually it was another marine put his camera back on.
Wonder how popular he is now?
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"Alexander blackman should not have gone to prison in the first place...he did the guy a favour and I for one would have done the same...why use your own morphine and med kit on a guy that's just been trying to kill you and your mates.
Because it's the law?
Did they have duty of care? It's a none Geneva convention conflict.
Define non-Geneva convention conflict. We have signed the conventions and therefore abide by them.
A conflict that is not covered by the Geneva convention.
The Geneva convention does not cover irregular forces. "
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"Alexander blackman should not have gone to prison in the first place...he did the guy a favour and I for one would have done the same...why use your own morphine and med kit on a guy that's just been trying to kill you and your mates.
Because it's the law?
Did they have duty of care? It's a none Geneva convention conflict.
Define non-Geneva convention conflict. We have signed the conventions and therefore abide by them.
A conflict that is not covered by the Geneva convention.
The Geneva convention does not cover irregular forces.
Surely it still applies tovthe fighting them?"
No. Usually rules of engagement are used that comply with local/international laws. Hence dumb stuff Americans used to have to put up with like 'only fire if fired upon' and an absolute classic one of my old colleagues had, some one telling him to stop engaging a local who fired an RPD at them, because he had stood up and moved away from it and was no longer a threat.
My exasperated mate told the officer to fuck off because he was trying to get rounds through the RPD to disable it. |
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re-writing the convention with revisionist nonsence to support your agenda is just not doing you any favours fella ... just give up now before you lose all of your dignity |
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Kewstoke on this matter as he has contributed to many of the threads about it.
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"Alexander blackman should not have gone to prison in the first place...he did the guy a favour and I for one would have done the same...why use your own morphine and med kit on a guy that's just been trying to kill you and your mates.
Because it's the law?
Did they have duty of care? It's a none Geneva convention conflict.
Define non-Geneva convention conflict. We have signed the conventions and therefore abide by them.
A conflict that is not covered by the Geneva convention.
The Geneva convention does not cover irregular forces. "
The Americans included that addendum themselves! |
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"That is right, the geneva conventions, shouldnt apply to terrorists, you need to be cold blooded to fight them, he should of finish them all off. "
Are they actually terrorists in their own country?
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"re-writing the convention with revisionist nonsence to support your agenda is just not doing you any favours fella ... just give up now before you lose all of your dignity"
So now I'm re writing the Geneva convention? The Americanised version, the commonly found and most googled version is the American interpretation as it stands as far as they are concerned.
I don't see how I can lose dignity, when your only argument is ..... void and to make digs at me babs x |
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"That is right, the geneva conventions, shouldnt apply to terrorists, you need to be cold blooded to fight them, he should of finish them all off.
Are they actually terrorists in their own country?
In fact take it further if you like, Hemingway and Orwell were hailed as heroes for going to Spain to fight in a war that was nothing to do with them, which certainly has parallels with radicalised youngsters going to the middle-east now."
Depends what you fight for. The modern parallel with the international brigades would be the volunteers in the people's protection units fighting against IS in Syria.
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"That is right, the geneva conventions, shouldnt apply to terrorists, you need to be cold blooded to fight them, he should of finish them all off.
Are they actually terrorists in their own country?
In fact take it further if you like, Hemingway and Orwell were hailed as heroes for going to Spain to fight in a war that was nothing to do with them, which certainly has parallels with radicalised youngsters going to the middle-east now.
Depends what you fight for. The modern parallel with the international brigades would be the volunteers in the people's protection units fighting against IS in Syria.
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"re-writing the convention with revisionist nonsence to support your agenda is just not doing you any favours fella ... just give up now before you lose all of your dignity
So now I'm re writing the Geneva convention? The Americanised version, the commonly found and most googled version is the American interpretation as it stands as far as they are concerned.
I don't see how I can lose dignity, when your only argument is ..... void and to make digs at me babs x"
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"i don't lose any sleep over what happens to folks when they decided to engage in a life of violence .... this guy willingly engaged in violence and the authorities are going to just allow him to walk amongst the public when he's already shown poor judgement and a lack of restraint? seems a bit daft really .... wonder how long before we see his name in the papers again
Probably never in connection with anything else ever again.
Did Lee Clegg ever get pulled up again?
Did guardsmen Fisher and Wright?
Your freedom and rights are not guarded and protected by some short haired liberal lesbian with a placard.
what an odd thing to say
Not really Lee Clegg was in 3para and was tried and convicted and later cleared of excessive force in Norther Ireland when his patrol (including attached police) stopped a car full of joyriders that crashed a checkpoint. It was claimed he fired deliberate aimed shots with no justification after the vehicle has stopped and was no longer a threat.
Accused of murder. Last I heated he was a medic in the airborne.
Guardsmen Fisher and Wright were two Scots guardsmen who were accused of murder and cleared after they shot some one in norther Ireland who the believed was about to throw a blast device in a carrier bag (more swing more range) witnesses claim it was swimming trunks. No bag was recovered.
You can not give a toss about people who chose 'violence' personally I joined up because I had ruined my life.
But the reason you are not living under nazi or communist rule or in an Islamic fundamentalist state isn't because of people like you is it?
here we go again .... you chose a job .... it's nothing at all to do with me so don't go dragging me into your blind dogma of violence
Also with regards to the no one served you.
For every IRA atrocity carried out the security forces prevented 20. So that's how many times 20 that you potentially didn't get blown up in a pub or members of your family?
I'm not sure how many Islamic nutcases they prevent every year.
You probably don't think the police are there to protect you either.
You probably have no respect for all the little MI5 analysts who look for people using violence to try and erode our freedom.
Bet you have zero respect for all the UN IFOR and other things like helping train anti poaching units in Africa that, nasty people like me chose as a career "
you have more chance of dying choking on a cornflake than you do being killed by a member of isis.should we ban cornflakes. I think you will find that the wankas at mi5 and a paranoid fascist state erode freedoms any bloody chance they get. They do it for our protection dont ya know lol. where the fuck are they when im eating cornflakes is what i want to know ! |
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whatevs trevs ... i still won't lose any sleep over what happens to a violent man who chose a life of violence"
It's ok, am sure he's not bothered what you think Xx
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" you have more chance of dying choking on a cornflake than you do being killed by a member of isis.should we ban cornflakes. I think you will find that the wankas at mi5 and a paranoid fascist state erode freedoms any bloody chance they get. They do it for our protection dont ya know lol. where the fuck are they when im eating cornflakes is what i want to know !"
Careful, chew your food properly or Dr Kellogg's healthy snack will be the death of you darling Xx |
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whatevs trevs ... i still won't lose any sleep over what happens to a violent man who chose a life of violence
It's ok, am sure he's not bothered what you think Xx
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whatevs trevs ... i still won't lose any sleep over what happens to a violent man who chose a life of violence
It's ok, am sure he's not bothered what you think Xx
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you on the other hand clearly are bothered |
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whatevs trevs ... i still won't lose any sleep over what happens to a violent man who chose a life of violence
It's ok, am sure he's not bothered what you think Xx
Really ? Dont all service personel keep reminding people they put their lives on the line to protect us ? Be a bit weird if they did that not giving a monkeys what we think. "
I'm not sure what his opinion is on this. I know what my opinion is. Personally on remembrance Sunday I don't wear my medals, I do wear a poppy.
Some of my friends and some people who deffinatly ain't my friends wear theirs. |
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whatevs trevs ... i still won't lose any sleep over what happens to a violent man who chose a life of violence
It's ok, am sure he's not bothered what you think Xx
you on the other hand clearly are bothered "
Am bored babs. It's a forum it's for voicing opinion. Xx |
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"That is right, the geneva conventions, shouldnt apply to terrorists, you need to be cold blooded to fight them, he should of finish them all off.
Are they actually terrorists in their own country?
In fact take it further if you like, Hemingway and Orwell were hailed as heroes for going to Spain to fight in a war that was nothing to do with them, which certainly has parallels with radicalised youngsters going to the middle-east now.
Depends what you fight for. The modern parallel with the international brigades would be the volunteers in the people's protection units fighting against IS in Syria.
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Last I read, there were so many rebel factions in Syria, it was difficult to work out who was on who's side. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and all that. |
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"yeah ... i did voice an opinion .... then you took exception and started to attack me personally for it ... and now you won't let it go"
The pot and the kettle.
But I think you will find it's the opinion I attacked not you.
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"yeah ... i did voice an opinion .... then you took exception and started to attack me personally for it ... and now you won't let it go
The pot and the kettle.
But I think you will find it's the opinion I attacked not you.
Even though you were a little bit bitchy towards me Babs, but I'm not precious, will even let you have the last comment if you like. Xx "
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"That is right, the geneva conventions, shouldnt apply to terrorists, you need to be cold blooded to fight them, he should of finish them all off.
Are they actually terrorists in their own country?
In fact take it further if you like, Hemingway and Orwell were hailed as heroes for going to Spain to fight in a war that was nothing to do with them, which certainly has parallels with radicalised youngsters going to the middle-east now.
Depends what you fight for. The modern parallel with the international brigades would be the volunteers in the people's protection units fighting against IS in Syria.
Last I read, there were so many rebel factions in Syria, it was difficult to work out who was on who's side. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and all that."
The Kurdish groups who are the brunt of anti IS rebel forces are classed as terrorists by Turkey and NATO.
But Turkey were buying a lot of IS oil for cheap. |
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whatevs trevs ... i still won't lose any sleep over what happens to a violent man who chose a life of violence
It's ok, am sure he's not bothered what you think Xx
Really ? Dont all service personel keep reminding people they put their lives on the line to protect us ? Be a bit weird if they did that not giving a monkeys what we think.
I'm not sure what his opinion is on this. I know what my opinion is. Personally on remembrance Sunday I don't wear my medals, I do wear a poppy.
Some of my friends and some people who deffinatly ain't my friends wear theirs. "
Really ? Again ? You said and i quote you directly. "am sure" he's not bothered what you think Xx Then you arent sure. seriously ??? you dont know what you think do ya sweety. Tried having a sensible convo with you but your position seems to be that of a bully. "Might is right" and all that, typical armed forces, I think that very attitude should exclude you from joining. ta ra bab xx
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"He will be released today or tommorow, cos on the 28th march they said it would be 2 weeks left, have you followed the case and what is rour view of it? He should get a medal, not a sentence, some even say he is a rambo Didnt he admit to breaking the Geneva convention and conspire with others to lie and cover it up ?
Yes he did which was a mistake, it is a war after all."
Well that's the medal fucked.
Medals are for bravery.
Not shooting unarmed wounded people.
The only reason we can claim to be better than them is because we obey the rules. |
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whatevs trevs ... i still won't lose any sleep over what happens to a violent man who chose a life of violence
It's ok, am sure he's not bothered what you think Xx
Really ? Don't all service personel keep reminding people they put their lives on the line to protect us ? Be a bit weird if they did that not giving a monkeys what we think.
I'm not sure what his opinion is on this. I know what my opinion is. Personally on remembrance Sunday I don't wear my medals, I do wear a poppy.
Some of my friends and some people who deffinatly ain't my friends wear theirs. Really ? Again ? You said and i quote you directly. "am sure" he's not bothered what you think Xx Then you arent sure. seriously ??? you dont know what you think do ya sweety. Tried having a sensible convo with you but your position seems to be that of a bully. "Might is right" and all that, typical armed forces, I think that very attitude should exclude you from joining. ta ra bab xx
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I'm sure he's not bothered what you think, aimed at the one comment from another chap.
I don't know what his opinion is towards 'Don't all service personel keep reminding people they put their lives on the line to protect us ? Be a bit weird if they did that not giving a monkeys what we think. '
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"This is a trolling thread imo. Shah is more than aware of people's thoughts a d be
Kewstoke on this matter as he has contributed to many of the threads about it.
He knows the arguments it brings and has only started it as a flame thread. "
Yet people fall for it. I knew Shag had started this thread. |
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