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over a year ago
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"  Exactly people seem to forget this particular Boot popped one in an inju_ed unarmed enemy combatant "
Having verbally abused him. And then joked about breaching the Geneva convention.
Not sure why people view him as a hero. Or a victim. |
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" Exactly people seem to forget this particular Boot popped one in an inju_ed unarmed enemy combatant "
He put an enemy fighter who had killed some of his comrades out of his misery as he would have slowly died of his injuries |
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Are you lot jokin he was in combat he did the dirty taliban cunt a favour by killing him and all u lot favour fight for ur country u have no idea wat sort of mind set he's in wen he's facing war day in day out if he was to carry tht inju_ed taliban fighter it would of slowed his withdrawal out of the firefight putin himself and his own blokes at un need risk don't forget he was in contact for hrs and had already took casualties of be4 this his own his mindset whilst in n battle does not make him a bad person |
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"The guy has done his time and it's easy for people to slate him .. tell you what I'd like to see you do just one tour in Afghanistan!"
exactly this. The horrors endu_ed by those men is unspeakable. They are all sca_ed by the conflict and should not be punished. Al is a leader of men, a hero. JusticeformarineA.
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"Are you lot jokin he was in combat he did the dirty taliban cunt a favour by killing him and all u lot favour fight for ur country u have no idea wat sort of mind set he's in wen he's facing war day in day out if he was to carry tht inju_ed taliban fighter it would of slowed his withdrawal out of the firefight putin himself and his own blokes at un need risk don't forget he was in contact for hrs and had already took casualties of be4 this his own his mindset whilst in n battle does not make him a bad person "
He knew what he did was wrong. He even said it after he fi_ed the shot. He told everyone not to say anything be aude he broke the Geneva convention. Someone in a poor mental stats surely would not be able to specify that? Understand that he broke the very thing he fights to uphold?
I'm glad his severance got downgraded but i shall not hail him as a hero, a victim or a martyr. He knew exactly what he was doing and why it was wrong.
If a taliban fighter shot an inju_ed, unarmed British soldier you would be screaming blue Fucking murder and calling for the death penalty. |
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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago
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"The guy has done his time and it's easy for people to slate him .. tell you what I'd like to see you do just one tour in Afghanistan! exactly this. The horrors endu_ed by those men is unspeakable. They are all sca_ed by the conflict and should not be punished. Al is a leader of men, a hero. JusticeformarineA. "
I understand what you are saying, he didn't come across as frightened on the video/recording of him cold heartedly and in a completely calm and calculated way executed a then defence less man. I'm very uncomfortable with his actions and the resulting overturn of his original conviction. |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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He's done his time for a crime that he was found guilty of, he should be left to carry on his life in peace.
He neither needs people judging him as he's already been judged in the courts of the land....nor does he need to proclaimed a hero by total strangers. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He's done his time for a crime that he was found guilty of, he should be left to carry on his life in peace.
He neither needs people judging him as he's already been judged in the courts of the land....nor does he need to proclaimed a hero by total strangers."
The exact point of my original comment! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The whole thing sort of takes the shine off of some of the real heroic stuff that's been done out in what can only be described as a complete fucking horrible mess. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The guy has done his time and it's easy for people to slate him .. tell you what I'd like to see you do just one tour in Afghanistan!"
One tour? How about ONE day...on patrol through any number of IED-minefields! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If u not have not been Ina firefight are walked in afghan are fought against a talibain insurgent you don't have a right to judge him "
Actually, we do have the right.
They serve and fight on our behalf. Therefore they are representing the British people.
The simple and undeniable fact is that he committed a crime, has been convicted, and served his punishment.
End of story, nothing else to discuss about it now. |
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By *ucky1Man
over a year ago
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As an ex forces man I am very happy he's had his sentence cut and will be out early. Not going to get into a debate about the right or wrongs as not many people on here would of been in a war zone or any situation like that.
He's not a hero and not a murderer either. Just a victim of being in a horrendous situation and let down by his peers! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If u not have not been Ina firefight are walked in afghan are fought against a talibain insurgent you don't have a right to judge him "
That fell out of a tin of alphabetti spaghetti didn't it?
As others have said, we can judge, he's effectively employed on our behalf. He knew he was doing wrong and said so on camera.
You are judging him yourself. Just differently. |
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"If u not have not been Ina firefight are walked in afghan are fought against a talibain insurgent you don't have a right to judge him "
wrong..
people regardless of whether they have served or not have the right to both have and express their opinion..
its sort of one of the things that separate us as a civilised society from the scum that is IS, Taliban..
its pretty much one of the principles that we sent forces out there to uphold.. |
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"The guy has done his time and it's easy for people to slate him .. tell you what I'd like to see you do just one tour in Afghanistan!
One tour? How about ONE day...on patrol through any number of IED-minefields!"
as usual Omaha your logic is beyond comprehension..
do you apply it to all aspects of your life..? |
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"If u not have not been Ina firefight are walked in afghan are fought against a talibain insurgent you don't have a right to judge him
wrong..
people regardless of whether they have served or not have the right to both have and express their opinion..
its sort of one of the things that separate us as a civilised society from the scum that is IS, Taliban..
its pretty much one of the principles that we sent forces out there to uphold.. "
Indeed. The logical conclusion of that argument is that serving soldiers can commit any number of r@pes and murders and we can't judge them.
Is that what we really want? |
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"The guy has done his time and it's easy for people to slate him .. tell you what I'd like to see you do just one tour in Afghanistan!
One tour? How about ONE day...on patrol through any number of IED-minefields!
as usual Omaha your logic is beyond comprehension..
do you apply it to all aspects of your life..?"
Well smart arse, and your personal experience of patrols in enemy territory is? |
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"If u not have not been Ina firefight are walked in afghan are fought against a talibain insurgent you don't have a right to judge him
That fell out of a tin of alphabetti spaghetti didn't it?
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You gonna pay to have the Coca Cola cleaned off my laptop after that one?  |
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"The guy has done his time and it's easy for people to slate him .. tell you what I'd like to see you do just one tour in Afghanistan!
One tour? How about ONE day...on patrol through any number of IED-minefields!
as usual Omaha your logic is beyond comprehension..
do you apply it to all aspects of your life..?
Well smart arse, and your personal experience of patrols in enemy territory is?"
It's wholly irrelevant. I've never made a Big Mac but I can comment on the crap Big Mac I had yesterday.
International Law is there for a reason and what makes us better than 'them' is that we both abide by it, and more importantly, are seen to abide by it. |
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"The guy has done his time and it's easy for people to slate him .. tell you what I'd like to see you do just one tour in Afghanistan!
One tour? How about ONE day...on patrol through any number of IED-minefields!
as usual Omaha your logic is beyond comprehension..
do you apply it to all aspects of your life..?
Well smart arse, and your personal experience of patrols in enemy territory is?"
the lamp post pissing game is not relevant to the principle of the right of us as citizens to air our views and opinions on an issue..
ignore if you can the issue on the thread and concentrate on that basic fundamental principle..
again not that's its relevant 2 tours in Ni in the 70's, south Armagh and Derry as you asked.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If u not have not been Ina firefight are walked in afghan are fought against a talibain insurgent you don't have a right to judge him
That fell out of a tin of alphabetti spaghetti didn't it?
You gonna pay to have the Coca Cola cleaned off my laptop after that one? "
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Report from the Independent about a report issued after the initial murder conviction:
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Most crucially, the document found commanders had missed signs that Blackman and his men were cracking up. The report said: “Supervision by a commanding officer where Blackman and his men were based was insufficient to identify a number of warning signs that could have indicated they were showing evidence of moral regression, psychological strain and fatigue.”
It is hard to imagine the daily pressures faced by Blackman and the 15 men under his command as they performed their duties at Command Post Omar - a remote compound at the very frontline of the UK’s efforts to wrest back Helmand from the tyranny of the Taliban.
Undermanned and overstretched, the Marines lived for six months in a cramped mud-brick enclosure, patrolling for up ten hours a day and living with the constant threat of buried IED bombs and attack. Seven Marines from 42 Commando were killed during this tour and after one IED explosion, soldiers from the unit found body parts of British troops deliberately hung from a tree to taunt them.
A psychiatric report on Blackman, presented only after his conviction, found that he and his men had been under near-intolerable stress.
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It's east to judge and take a moral viewpoint from the safety of our desks and homes. As a country, we ask these people to do a near intolerable job for us, we should very very careful of moralistic judgement of them. |
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" Exactly people seem to forget this particular Boot popped one in an inju_ed unarmed enemy combatant "
Walk a day in this guys footsteps and perhaps you would be better informed. Stick to fucking or something you have a clue about. This guy was caught doing something wrong on a battlefield something that has been done since man has been alive by every army in the world. Something I would have done and anyone I know. When you have seen a colleagues body parts hung from a tree and had your boss blown up and 7 of your mates killed and picked up the seve_ed limbs of wounded colleagues. I wonder what you would do in the same situation. Risk bringing in a helicopter with nurses and surgeons to evacuate someone who had minutes to live or put the cunt out of his misery and save the taxpayer the fuel bill and potentially the lives of those he was responsible for. Think first before writing such uniformed shit |
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"The guy has done his time and it's easy for people to slate him .. tell you what I'd like to see you do just one tour in Afghanistan!
One tour? How about ONE day...on patrol through any number of IED-minefields!
as usual Omaha your logic is beyond comprehension..
do you apply it to all aspects of your life..?
Well smart arse, and your personal experience of patrols in enemy territory is?
the lamp post pissing game is not relevant to the principle of the right of us as citizens to air our views and opinions on an issue..
ignore if you can the issue on the thread and concentrate on that basic fundamental principle..
again not that's its relevant 2 tours in Ni in the 70's, south Armagh and Derry as you asked.."
If that's the case then you'll know everything about combat stress!? So what are you on about mate? |
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"The guy has done his time and it's easy for people to slate him .. tell you what I'd like to see you do just one tour in Afghanistan!
One tour? How about ONE day...on patrol through any number of IED-minefields!
as usual Omaha your logic is beyond comprehension..
do you apply it to all aspects of your life..?
Well smart arse, and your personal experience of patrols in enemy territory is?
the lamp post pissing game is not relevant to the principle of the right of us as citizens to air our views and opinions on an issue..
ignore if you can the issue on the thread and concentrate on that basic fundamental principle..
again not that's its relevant 2 tours in Ni in the 70's, south Armagh and Derry as you asked..
If that's the case then you'll know everything about combat stress!? So what are you on about mate?"
you've not actually read the thread properly have you?
i have given no opinion in this thread about Blackman, my point is in reference to people being told they have no right to comment as they were not there or have not been in a similar situation which is bollocks..
as is calling someone smart arse when you haven't read what they've actually said..
having the right to have an opinion is what separates us from scum like IS/Taliban..
we may not agree with what others say and we may or may not bring experience to bear with our own opinion if we disagree but shouting someone down is not how its done..
and yes i am all too familiar with the effects on ex and still serving colleagues in the military and a blue light public service of PTSD and other work related mental health issues..
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" Exactly people seem to forget this particular Boot popped one in an inju_ed unarmed enemy combatant
Walk a day in this guys footsteps and perhaps you would be better informed. Stick to fucking or something you have a clue about. This guy was caught doing something wrong on a battlefield something that has been done since man has been alive by every army in the world. Something I would have done and anyone I know. When you have seen a colleagues body parts hung from a tree and had your boss blown up and 7 of your mates killed and picked up the seve_ed limbs of wounded colleagues. I wonder what you would do in the same situation. Risk bringing in a helicopter with nurses and surgeons to evacuate someone who had minutes to live or put the cunt out of his misery and save the taxpayer the fuel bill and potentially the lives of those he was responsible for. Think first before writing such uniformed shit "
Bollocks did he do it to put the guy out of his misery. Of that's why he did it why state that he knew he'd broken the Geneva convention?
Also, just because it's done all the time with out people knowing doesn't make it right does it? It just means there needs to be better policing of it if it is something that the organisation as a whole want their employees to abide by and uphold. |
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By *ucky1Man
over a year ago
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Also, just because it's done all the time with out people knowing doesn't make it right does it? It just means there needs to be better policing of it if it is something that the organisation as a whole want their employees to abide by and uphold. "
Nothing about war or conflict is right. Some awful things happen that never come to the light of the general public. But it seems people only get all moralistic when it does.
There was no policing in this situation as the peers of Sgt Blackman turned a blind eye, so maybe they should also be up on a charge of manslaughter? |
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By *uffnsmovCouple
over a year ago
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You sound like you have ? Then you should know what this is. RN at 45 cdo OP Haven and OP desert Storm CZ comms. and FFC. Never in Afghan , it doesn't matter who''s shooting at you. The Booty lowe_ed himself to the level of his opponent no matter what his operational difficulties were. He knew he was doing a wrong'Un and got nicked for it. Yeah he's done his time and far do's to him but he let the Royals down in a big way |
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Also, just because it's done all the time with out people knowing doesn't make it right does it? It just means there needs to be better policing of it if it is something that the organisation as a whole want their employees to abide by and uphold.
Nothing about war or conflict is right. Some awful things happen that never come to the light of the general public. But it seems people only get all moralistic when it does.
There was no policing in this situation as the peers of Sgt Blackman turned a blind eye, so maybe they should also be up on a charge of manslaughter?"
They certainly should be held responsible for their part in it although I am not sure you can be tried for manslaughter if you didn't actually pull the trigger.
As for only getting morose when bought to the general publics attention.... How else is it supposed to happen. This could be a landmark case that brings about investigation into the happenings of war.
I do honestly get that in situations like this things happen that ordinary civilians will never understand but when someone knowingly breaks the thing they swore to uphold and brags about doing it on film they pay for their actions. |
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Also, just because it's done all the time with out people knowing doesn't make it right does it? It just means there needs to be better policing of it if it is something that the organisation as a whole want their employees to abide by and uphold.
Nothing about war or conflict is right. Some awful things happen that never come to the light of the general public. But it seems people only get all moralistic when it does.
There was no policing in this situation as the peers of Sgt Blackman turned a blind eye, so maybe they should also be up on a charge of manslaughter?
They certainly should be held responsible for their part in it although I am not sure you can be tried for manslaughter if you didn't actually pull the trigger.
As for only getting morose when bought to the general publics attention.... How else is it supposed to happen. This could be a landmark case that brings about investigation into the happenings of war.
I do honestly get that in situations like this things happen that ordinary civilians will never understand but when someone knowingly breaks the thing they swore to uphold and brags about doing it on film they pay for their actions. "
Moralistic, not morose.... Unfortunate fat fingers moment  |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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After listening to all the debates on this I have swung from one side of the argument to the other and I'm still not sure which way to settle.
On the one hand I will never know what those lads have to go through and deal with while serving over there...but they are also drilled about the Geneva Convention so should really stick to it.
The only thing I would say is, the man killed didn't sound like he was likely to live anyway. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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To be honest I'm not too familiar with this individual case but I'm sure the history of warfare is litte_ed with similar events perpetuated by combatants of all nations and sides involved in conflict....
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"The guy has done his time and it's easy for people to slate him .. tell you what I'd like to see you do just one tour in Afghanistan!"
Its obviously a contentious issue but the fact there was blatant evidence to cover up his wrongdoing suggests he knows what he was doing. He may have seen at as a 'humane' thing to do, but the British Army are standard barers across the globe & were one of the first armies to actively treat inju_ed enemy soldiers on large scale. To open the door to essentially a mercy killing would open up scope for a lot more soldiers, rightly or wrongly in peoples opinion, to do the same, then before you know it, youve got war crimes on your hands. |
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He killed a man, broke the GC & has subsequently served a sentence.
I'm sure he's not the first nor will he be the last soldier to commit such an act.
I really don't know where I stand on this tbh, on one hand I'd like to think we uphold the GC & we're better for doing so. On the other hand, in a war zone who really knows what makes someone snap & subsequently do something awful.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"I think there is every possibility he will now live the rest of his life viewed as a legitimate target by some insurgent sympathisers .. "
he may well do..... its an unfortunate consecquence of what he did....
having people cheering outside of the court for someone who was still convicted of manslughter and treating him like a martyr still makes me feel really uneasy.....
i mean, if he was 100% innocent he would be fighting that conviction wouldn't he........ but he is not
so the fact remains he killed someone unlawfully and that is what the record will show.... |
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"I think there is every possibility he will now live the rest of his life viewed as a legitimate target by some insurgent sympathisers ..
he may well do..... its an unfortunate consecquence of what he did....
having people cheering outside of the court for someone who was still convicted of manslughter and treating him like a martyr still makes me feel really uneasy.....
i mean, if he was 100% innocent he would be fighting that conviction wouldn't he........ but he is not
so the fact remains he killed someone unlawfully and that is what the record will show...."
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"Report from the Independent about a report issued after the initial murder conviction:
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Most crucially, the document found commanders had missed signs that Blackman and his men were cracking up. The report said: “Supervision by a commanding officer where Blackman and his men were based was insufficient to identify a number of warning signs that could have indicated they were showing evidence of moral regression, psychological strain and fatigue.”
It is hard to imagine the daily pressures faced by Blackman and the 15 men under his command as they performed their duties at Command Post Omar - a remote compound at the very frontline of the UK’s efforts to wrest back Helmand from the tyranny of the Taliban.
Undermanned and overstretched, the Marines lived for six months in a cramped mud-brick enclosure, patrolling for up ten hours a day and living with the constant threat of buried IED bombs and attack. Seven Marines from 42 Commando were killed during this tour and after one IED explosion, soldiers from the unit found body parts of British troops deliberately hung from a tree to taunt them.
A psychiatric report on Blackman, presented only after his conviction, found that he and his men had been under near-intolerable stress.
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It's east to judge and take a moral viewpoint from the safety of our desks and homes. As a country, we ask these people to do a near intolerable job for us, we should very very careful of moralistic judgement of them."
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"He killed a man, broke the GC & has subsequently served a sentence.
I'm sure he's not the first nor will he be the last soldier to commit such an act.
I really don't know where I stand on this tbh, on one hand I'd like to think we uphold the GC & we're better for doing so. On the other hand, in a war zone who really knows what makes someone snap & subsequently do something awful.
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Probably finding a man drowning on his own blood with his intestines spread around the field he's laying in. |
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Of course Blackman himself accepts he committed a crime. He didn't say he was innocent in his appeal. Just that his responsibility was less because he had serious mental health problems at the time. Thus those saying he did nothing wrong disagree with the man himself. |
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It is a tough one to judge.......two armies fighting a war and sticking to the GC is one thing.....this conflict is not one of them. When one side is using children as human bombs and using IED's to maim and kill, hanging soldiers body parts in trees, it is hard not to sympathise with the man who decides to bring his own justice to someone.
If someone seriously inju_ed or abused one of my children or my wife, would I put a bullet in his/her head? In a heartbeat, it would be against the law and some would condemn me and the law would put me in jail, most would also support me.
People under extreme stress or emotional pressure don't see the world the same way as others sitting at home away from the situation.
We have to behave in a way that keeps us a morale society with rules, so he should have been called to account for his actions. But murder? No way, manslaughter through diminished responsibility seems justified, not sure that a 7 year prison term is right though??
There are many who kill in this Country daily, who get away with suspended sentences or very short prison terms... |
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By *edMan
over a year ago
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I trust our lads to do what they must. I was not there, Icannot know.
One question keeps nagging at me.
If i was the soldier that had the 'unofficial' head cam, and thought my seargeant did the right, or necessary thing. I would have deleted the footage.
I may be wrong, but it appears someone close by thought it was wrong.
I'm my own mind the biggest culprits are the government, who continually cut back on manning level while at the same time asking these guys and gals to do more and more with no proper stand down time.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think there is every possibility he will now live the rest of his life viewed as a legitimate target by some insurgent sympathisers ..
he may well do..... its an unfortunate consecquence of what he did....
having people cheering outside of the court for someone who was still convicted of manslughter and treating him like a martyr still makes me feel really uneasy.....
i mean, if he was 100% innocent he would be fighting that conviction wouldn't he........ but he is not
so the fact remains he killed someone unlawfully and that is what the record will show...."
The reality at large is he knew what he was doing was wrong by the letter if the law, hence him saying such. For me he was rightly held to account, but at the same time some leniency has to be given considering the scenario at hand |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"keyboard warriors, or at best, weekend paint-ballers making judgments
What's your military experience?
Unlike Blackman, zilch, nil, cypher, none, non-existent
What is yours?"
My grandfather was colonel rajputana rifles, my father Co 7gr, my brother 7gr then 2 rgr. My mother qaranc. All served in conflicts, my grandfather was awarded the mc, my father was awarded mc and bar, military mbe, later obe. My fiance was killed by the ira, I later married to sf. I also worked for mod in various roles including nitat. |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"keyboard warriors, or at best, weekend paint-ballers making judgments
What's your military experience?
Unlike Blackman, zilch, nil, cypher, none, non-existent
What is yours?
My grandfather was colonel rajputana rifles, my father Co 7gr, my brother 7gr then 2 rgr. My mother qaranc. All served in conflicts, my grandfather was awarded the mc, my father was awarded mc and bar, military mbe, later obe. My fiance was killed by the ira, I later married to sf. I also worked for mod in various roles including nitat. "
And, your point is???
BTW, what is nitat? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"keyboard warriors, or at best, weekend paint-ballers making judgments
What's your military experience?
Unlike Blackman, zilch, nil, cypher, none, non-existent
What is yours?
My grandfather was colonel rajputana rifles, my father Co 7gr, my brother 7gr then 2 rgr. My mother qaranc. All served in conflicts, my grandfather was awarded the mc, my father was awarded mc and bar, military mbe, later obe. My fiance was killed by the ira, I later married to sf. I also worked for mod in various roles including nitat.
And, your point is???
BTW, what is nitat?"
Northern Ireland training advisory team.
No point, just good to know people's level of understanding. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Reminds me of the quote: "Why is it that if a man kills another man in battle, it's called heroic, yet if he kills a man in the heat of passion, it's called murder?"
I think it's all perspective. Having never been in that scenario (and hope I never have to be), it's difficult for me to judge someone on their mindset at the time. If it was a case of kill or be killed, then I would have obviously pulled the trigger. But he knew what he did was wrong, and has been punished accordingly by our justice system. |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"keyboard warriors, or at best, weekend paint-ballers making judgments
What's your military experience?
Unlike Blackman, zilch, nil, cypher, none, non-existent
What is yours?
My grandfather was colonel rajputana rifles, my father Co 7gr, my brother 7gr then 2 rgr. My mother qaranc. All served in conflicts, my grandfather was awarded the mc, my father was awarded mc and bar, military mbe, later obe. My fiance was killed by the ira, I later married to sf. I also worked for mod in various roles including nitat.
And, your point is???
BTW, what is nitat?
Northern Ireland training advisory team.
No point, just good to know people's level of understanding. "
I think Blackman had an excellent level of understanding. Far better than anyone here |
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"keyboard warriors, or at best, weekend paint-ballers making judgments
What's your military experience?
Unlike Blackman, zilch, nil, cypher, none, non-existent
What is yours?
My grandfather was colonel rajputana rifles, my father Co 7gr, my brother 7gr then 2 rgr. My mother qaranc. All served in conflicts, my grandfather was awarded the mc, my father was awarded mc and bar, military mbe, later obe. My fiance was killed by the ira, I later married to sf. I also worked for mod in various roles including nitat.
And, your point is???
BTW, what is nitat?
Northern Ireland training advisory team.
No point, just good to know people's level of understanding.
I think Blackman had an excellent level of understanding. Far better than anyone here"
Yes, so do I. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"keyboard warriors, or at best, weekend paint-ballers making judgments"
see... i hate that kind of comment... it is a soundbite and doesn't actually add anything to the conversation... it just there to "flamethrow"....
and as for judgements.... he was found guilty of manslaughter based on the grounds of diminished responsibility... he is not challenging that verdict...
so what other "judgement" would you like us to come up with, in the eyes of the law he still killed someone unlawfully....
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"keyboard warriors, or at best, weekend paint-ballers making judgments
see... i hate that kind of comment... it is a soundbite and doesn't actually add anything to the conversation... it just there to "flamethrow"....
and as for judgements.... he was found guilty of manslaughter based on the grounds of diminished responsibility... he is not challenging that verdict...
so what other "judgement" would you like us to come up with, in the eyes of the law he still killed someone unlawfully....
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Precisely! By the previous definition, all judges would have to be ex-cons. |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"keyboard warriors, or at best, weekend paint-ballers making judgments
see... i hate that kind of comment... it is a soundbite and doesn't actually add anything to the conversation... it just there to "flamethrow"....
and as for judgements.... he was found guilty of manslaughter based on the grounds of diminished responsibility... he is not challenging that verdict...
so what other "judgement" would you like us to come up with, in the eyes of the law he still killed someone unlawfully....
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See, I hate your kind of comment. It hasn't added to anything that we don't already know. I don't think that there is anything to 'discuss' here |
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"keyboard warriors, or at best, weekend paint-ballers making judgments
see... i hate that kind of comment... it is a soundbite and doesn't actually add anything to the conversation... it just there to "flamethrow"....
and as for judgements.... he was found guilty of manslaughter based on the grounds of diminished responsibility... he is not challenging that verdict...
so what other "judgement" would you like us to come up with, in the eyes of the law he still killed someone unlawfully....
See, I hate your kind of comment. It hasn't added to anything that we don't already know. I don't think that there is anything to 'discuss' here"
So why post on the thread then if there is nothing you wish to discuss on the subject? Just because you don't think there is a discussion point doesn't mean there isn't one. |
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"That is good, he should get a medal of what he did."
I am pleased he will be released. A man under psychological pressures we cannot imagine has snapped and done something outside what is allowed.
I have great sympathy for him, and find it difficult to morally judge someone in that position. But, it is not medal-giving behavior. |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"keyboard warriors, or at best, weekend paint-ballers making judgments
see... i hate that kind of comment... it is a soundbite and doesn't actually add anything to the conversation... it just there to "flamethrow"....
and as for judgements.... he was found guilty of manslaughter based on the grounds of diminished responsibility... he is not challenging that verdict...
so what other "judgement" would you like us to come up with, in the eyes of the law he still killed someone unlawfully....
See, I hate your kind of comment. It hasn't added to anything that we don't already know. I don't think that there is anything to 'discuss' here
So why post on the thread then if there is nothing you wish to discuss on the subject? Just because you don't think there is a discussion point doesn't mean there isn't one. "
You obviously think that there is so you have posted here. I don't think that there is and don't need *your* 'permission' to post. Is that alright by you? |
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"That is good, he should get a medal of what he did.
He doesn't need a medal, he's got a video of what he did..."
Yes, but it is a good recognition, after all they are the enemy. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"keyboard warriors, or at best, weekend paint-ballers making judgments
see... i hate that kind of comment... it is a soundbite and doesn't actually add anything to the conversation... it just there to "flamethrow"....
and as for judgements.... he was found guilty of manslaughter based on the grounds of diminished responsibility... he is not challenging that verdict...
so what other "judgement" would you like us to come up with, in the eyes of the law he still killed someone unlawfully....
See, I hate your kind of comment. It hasn't added to anything that we don't already know. I don't think that there is anything to 'discuss' here
So why post on the thread then if there is nothing you wish to discuss on the subject? Just because you don't think there is a discussion point doesn't mean there isn't one. "
erm.. i did add to the topic i was reasoned in where i stand and why i do where i do
what does calling people "keyboard warriors"? bring objectively to the conversation..... it doesn't... its a soundbite
i know you like having a pop at me every so often.... but how about playing the subject as opposed to the person...
you want to disagree with my stance on a topic... have at it |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"keyboard warriors, or at best, weekend paint-ballers making judgments
see... i hate that kind of comment... it is a soundbite and doesn't actually add anything to the conversation... it just there to "flamethrow"....
and as for judgements.... he was found guilty of manslaughter based on the grounds of diminished responsibility... he is not challenging that verdict...
so what other "judgement" would you like us to come up with, in the eyes of the law he still killed someone unlawfully....
See, I hate your kind of comment. It hasn't added to anything that we don't already know. I don't think that there is anything to 'discuss' here
So why post on the thread then if there is nothing you wish to discuss on the subject? Just because you don't think there is a discussion point doesn't mean there isn't one.
erm.. i did add to the topic i was reasoned in where i stand and why i do where i do
what does calling people "keyboard warriors"? bring objectively to the conversation..... it doesn't... its a soundbite
i know you like having a pop at me every so often.... but how about playing the subject as opposed to the person...
you want to disagree with my stance on a topic... have at it"
I think I am going to walk away from this thread as you feel that you are someone of importance who I would have "a pop at"
I don't go around reading every comment on this or any other thread |
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"Hes a cold blooded murderer in my opinion.
Regardless of any excuses for his actions.
You need to be that to fight the isis.
Disagree with both of you.
He isn't.
and
No, you don't need to be."
That is your opinion. |
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"Hes a cold blooded murderer in my opinion.
Regardless of any excuses for his actions.
You need to be that to fight the isis.
Disagree with both of you.
He isn't.
and
No, you don't need to be.That is your opinion."
That's why I said ' I disagree' . If I said 'You're wrong' then I would be making out it was a fact, whereas I posted my opinion. |
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What I still find ever so slightly troubling is that with the exception of been used to support a case for diminished responsibility, his mental health issues seem to have been largely overlooked.
I also think that there's a big difference between knowing what he going through and been 'allowed' to have an opinion on it. |
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"That is good, he should get a medal of what he did.
He doesn't need a medal, he's got a video of what he did...Yes, but it is a good recognition, after all they are the enemy. "
You missed the point by so far, it's barely worth discussing.
Clue: it's your awful English again. |
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"Hes a cold blooded murderer in my opinion.
Regardless of any excuses for his actions.
You need to be that to fight the isis.
Disagree with both of you.
He isn't.
and
No, you don't need to be.That is your opinion.
That's why I said ' I disagree' . If I said 'You're wrong' then I would be making out it was a fact, whereas I posted my opinion."
Yes and that is good |
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"Hes a cold blooded murderer in my opinion.
Regardless of any excuses for his actions.
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I don't think cold blooded is a fitting description. The poor guy obviously feels bad about it |
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"That is good, he should get a medal of what he did.
He doesn't need a medal, he's got a video of what he did...Yes, but it is a good recognition, after all they are the enemy.
You missed the point by so far, it's barely worth discussing.
Clue: it's your awful English again."
Maibe you should read the rules about being polite, it could be hard I know. |
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"That is good, he should get a medal of what he did.
He doesn't need a medal, he's got a video of what he did...Yes, but it is a good recognition, after all they are the enemy. "
I'm pretty sure that war doesn't require the enemy to be wiped out. |
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"keyboard warriors, or at best, weekend paint-ballers making judgments
see... i hate that kind of comment... it is a soundbite and doesn't actually add anything to the conversation... it just there to "flamethrow"....
and as for judgements.... he was found guilty of manslaughter based on the grounds of diminished responsibility... he is not challenging that verdict...
so what other "judgement" would you like us to come up with, in the eyes of the law he still killed someone unlawfully....
See, I hate your kind of comment. It hasn't added to anything that we don't already know. I don't think that there is anything to 'discuss' here
So why post on the thread then if there is nothing you wish to discuss on the subject? Just because you don't think there is a discussion point doesn't mean there isn't one.
You obviously think that there is so you have posted here. I don't think that there is and don't need *your* 'permission' to post. Is that alright by you?"
Why are you asking my permission after saying you don't need it lol |
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"That is good, he should get a medal of what he did.
He doesn't need a medal, he's got a video of what he did...Yes, but it is a good recognition, after all they are the enemy.
You missed the point by so far, it's barely worth discussing.
Clue: it's your awful English again.Maibe you should read the rules about being polite, it could be hard I know."
As long as you didn't write them, I'll be fine. |
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"keyboard warriors, or at best, weekend paint-ballers making judgments
see... i hate that kind of comment... it is a soundbite and doesn't actually add anything to the conversation... it just there to "flamethrow"....
and as for judgements.... he was found guilty of manslaughter based on the grounds of diminished responsibility... he is not challenging that verdict...
so what other "judgement" would you like us to come up with, in the eyes of the law he still killed someone unlawfully....
See, I hate your kind of comment. It hasn't added to anything that we don't already know. I don't think that there is anything to 'discuss' here
So why post on the thread then if there is nothing you wish to discuss on the subject? Just because you don't think there is a discussion point doesn't mean there isn't one.
erm.. i did add to the topic i was reasoned in where i stand and why i do where i do
what does calling people "keyboard warriors"? bring objectively to the conversation..... it doesn't... its a soundbite
i know you like having a pop at me every so often.... but how about playing the subject as opposed to the person...
you want to disagree with my stance on a topic... have at it"
Erm.... I wasn't quoting you and I don't have a pop at you at anytime  |
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"That is good, he should get a medal of what he did.
He doesn't need a medal, he's got a video of what he did...Yes, but it is a good recognition, after all they are the enemy.
You missed the point by so far, it's barely worth discussing.
Clue: it's your awful English again.Maibe you should read the rules about being polite, it could be hard I know.
As long as you didn't write them, I'll be fine."
That is good, it is a good filter. |
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"That is good, he should get a medal of what he did.
He doesn't need a medal, he's got a video of what he did...Yes, but it is a good recognition, after all they are the enemy.
You missed the point by so far, it's barely worth discussing.
Clue: it's your awful English again.Maibe you should read the rules about being polite, it could be hard I know.
As long as you didn't write them, I'll be fine."
No need to be rude to someone whose first language isn't English. |
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"That is good, he should get a medal of what he did.
He doesn't need a medal, he's got a video of what he did...Yes, but it is a good recognition, after all they are the enemy.
You missed the point by so far, it's barely worth discussing.
Clue: it's your awful English again.Maibe you should read the rules about being polite, it could be hard I know.
As long as you didn't write them, I'll be fine.
No need to be rude to someone whose first language isn't English. "
I take it he is a brexiter, it explains alot. |
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"That is good, he should get a medal of what he did.
He doesn't need a medal, he's got a video of what he did...Yes, but it is a good recognition, after all they are the enemy.
You missed the point by so far, it's barely worth discussing.
Clue: it's your awful English again.Maibe you should read the rules about being polite, it could be hard I know.
As long as you didn't write them, I'll be fine.
No need to be rude to someone whose first language isn't English. I take it he is a brexiter, it explains alot."
Ha, far from it |
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"If he was lying there inju_ed ..he would of had his head cut off and paraded on world tv . Job well done Sgt Blackman "
And everyone would be calling for the person who did it to face retribution |
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I am glad he got the sentence _educed and that he is coming out very soon, and maybe in same position a lot of us would have despatched the enemy the same way after all they would have done far worse to him and they were shooting at our lads.
But I do feel that some people outside turned it into a bit of a cercus  it should have been kept low key and respectful showing support for the family.
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"If he was lying there inju_ed ..he would of had his head cut off and paraded on world tv . Job well done Sgt Blackman "
And that's the reason we comply with the GC, it separates us from them! Otherwise, the same mentality trickles down to all theatres of war. |
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"That is good, he should get a medal of what he did."
I know, lets dish out medals to those who see themselves as Judge, Jury & Executioner, then before we know it, the British Army is handing out medals for War Crimes. Great idea |
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But I do feel that some people outside turned it into a bit of a circus it should have been kept low key and respectful showing support for the family.
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this is exactly how i felt....
the speeches outside by the lawyers and the supporter felt so wrong in relation to what he did. victorious and almost martyr like
the only person who got it right what his wife who was happy that the sentence had been overturned and a lesser one put instead, but still acknowledged that he did something wrong.....
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But I do feel that some people outside turned it into a bit of a circus it should have been kept low key and respectful showing support for the family.
this is exactly how i felt....
the speeches outside by the lawyers and the supporter felt so wrong in relation to what he did. victorious and almost martyr like
the only person who got it right what his wife who was happy that the sentence had been overturned and a lesser one put instead, but still acknowledged that he did something wrong.....
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But I do feel that some people outside turned it into a bit of a circus it should have been kept low key and respectful showing support for the family.
this is exactly how i felt....
the speeches outside by the lawyers and the supporter felt so wrong in relation to what he did. victorious and almost martyr like
the only person who got it right what his wife who was happy that the sentence had been overturned and a lesser one put instead, but still acknowledged that he did something wrong.....
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Very good post |
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But I do feel that some people outside turned it into a bit of a circus it should have been kept low key and respectful showing support for the family.
this is exactly how i felt....
the speeches outside by the lawyers and the supporter felt so wrong in relation to what he did. victorious and almost martyr like
the only person who got it right what his wife who was happy that the sentence had been overturned and a lesser one put instead, but still acknowledged that he did something wrong.....
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I thought they were great and I'd buy them all a drink!
A lot of their friends never came back from wars that politicians sent them to. And there are quite a few of Blackman's group who will be in wheelchairs and/or having to live with the use of prosthetics for the rest of their lives. |
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