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If they are being sacked then it's their own fault most likely. Why do you feel bad about it ? People rarely get sacked for a one off reason unless they have done something seriously bad. And if this upsets you maybe you shouldn't have that responsibility . |
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"Depends on the individual you're sacking and the reasons behind it..."
Any one of the people that work hard to make my job easy,3 simple mistakes so had to let him go,very good worker,I'm gutted for him |
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"If they are being sacked then it's their own fault most likely. Why do you feel bad about it ? People rarely get sacked for a one off reason unless they have done something seriously bad. And if this upsets you maybe you shouldn't have that responsibility . "
Sacking any one is hard no matter how much of an hard Arse you want to be,when you get to know them so well and know they have a family to support and not long had a child and his mistakes are more than likely because of this it's draining |
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once or twice i've had to let volunteers go at festivals for misconduct, being pissed on the job usually when they can't fight the party vibe  thake their wristband off, see them to their tent, brief security not to let them leave the staff campsite and once they've sobered up we normally take them to the nearest transport link of their chioce, bus, train or whatever, make sure they have the means to get home and wave 'em off..we fire folk nicely thinking about it |
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"once or twice i've had to let volunteers go at festivals for misconduct, being pissed on the job usually when they can't fight the party vibe thake their wristband off, see them to their tent, brief security not to let them leave the staff campsite and once they've sobered up we normally take them to the nearest transport link of their chioce, bus, train or whatever, make sure they have the means to get home and wave 'em off..we fire folk nicely thinking about it "
That is a decent way of sacking them for sure |
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"Be professional. Life sucks some times; do what you need to do and don't let it ruin your weekend."
Iv done what I had to do,I'm just sat reflecting on it and hopeful by Monday I can find a way to get his job back ha ha |
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"Depends on the individual you're sacking and the reasons behind it...
Any one of the people that work hard to make my job easy,3 simple mistakes so had to let him go,very good worker,I'm gutted for him "
So, guessing you're middle management just implementing company policy. There's ways and means around the 3rd strike and out rule, just requires some balls to implement, guess he wasn't worth one of your three strikes though... |
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"If they are being sacked then it's their own fault most likely. Why do you feel bad about it ? People rarely get sacked for a one off reason unless they have done something seriously bad. And if this upsets you maybe you shouldn't have that responsibility .
Sacking any one is hard no matter how much of an hard Arse you want to be,when you get to know them so well and know they have a family to support and not long had a child and his mistakes are more than likely because of this it's draining "
Did you conduct any capability interviews prior to the termination of employment? As a employer is it not also your commitment to suggest a work around so your employee feels supported as they adjust to their newly paternal responsibilities? |
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"once or twice i've had to let volunteers go at festivals for misconduct, being pissed on the job usually when they can't fight the party vibe thake their wristband off, see them to their tent, brief security not to let them leave the staff campsite and once they've sobered up we normally take them to the nearest transport link of their chioce, bus, train or whatever, make sure they have the means to get home and wave 'em off..we fire folk nicely thinking about it
That is a decent way of sacking them for sure "
we have a duty of care at the end of the day i guess though, alot of our volunteers are students and relatively young 18-25yo types and we can't just stick them on a road outside a festival, especially d*unk, they may come to some mischief and it's too harsh a punishment for a young person who just got a bit carried away at a gig...we like to see them off as safely as we can  |
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"Depends on the individual you're sacking and the reasons behind it...
Any one of the people that work hard to make my job easy,3 simple mistakes so had to let him go,very good worker,I'm gutted for him
So, guessing you're middle management just implementing company policy. There's ways and means around the 3rd strike and out rule, just requires some balls to implement, guess he wasn't worth one of your three strikes though..."
Unfortunately he's had all 3 strikes in 2 weeks probably through tiredness and stress,I have balls but I don't go against the owner and his policy's,I'm sure I will find a way around it just figuring it out ha ha |
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"If they are being sacked then it's their own fault most likely. Why do you feel bad about it ? People rarely get sacked for a one off reason unless they have done something seriously bad. And if this upsets you maybe you shouldn't have that responsibility .
Sacking any one is hard no matter how much of an hard Arse you want to be,when you get to know them so well and know they have a family to support and not long had a child and his mistakes are more than likely because of this it's draining
Did you conduct any capability interviews prior to the termination of employment? As a employer is it not also your commitment to suggest a work around so your employee feels supported as they adjust to their newly paternal responsibilities?"
I tried to speak to him the other night to try give him help and support but I guess he felt he didn't need it and could handle it,when he walked in at 10 o'clock even though he starts at 7 I asked him if he would like to go home and sleep/spend the night with his partner and got a sorry I'm late it won't happen again and the boss was in the office and looked at his record,if I'd of been there alone I'd of made him go home clocked him out at same time as me and say he forgot to clock in |
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"once or twice i've had to let volunteers go at festivals for misconduct, being pissed on the job usually when they can't fight the party vibe thake their wristband off, see them to their tent, brief security not to let them leave the staff campsite and once they've sobered up we normally take them to the nearest transport link of their chioce, bus, train or whatever, make sure they have the means to get home and wave 'em off..we fire folk nicely thinking about it
That is a decent way of sacking them for sure
we have a duty of care at the end of the day i guess though, alot of our volunteers are students and relatively young 18-25yo types and we can't just stick them on a road outside a festival, especially d*unk, they may come to some mischief and it's too harsh a punishment for a young person who just got a bit carried away at a gig...we like to see them off as safely as we can "
This lad is only 22 that's why it's probably the one that's hit me as well as holding his new born baby 3 days ago |
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"Depends on the individual you're sacking and the reasons behind it...
Any one of the people that work hard to make my job easy,3 simple mistakes so had to let him go,very good worker,I'm gutted for him "
He's better off out of such a callous company then. |
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"Depends on the individual you're sacking and the reasons behind it...
Any one of the people that work hard to make my job easy,3 simple mistakes so had to let him go,very good worker,I'm gutted for him
He's better off out of such a callous company then."
That's got to be a joke seriously |
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"If they are being sacked then it's their own fault most likely. Why do you feel bad about it ? People rarely get sacked for a one off reason unless they have done something seriously bad. And if this upsets you maybe you shouldn't have that responsibility .
Sacking any one is hard no matter how much of an hard Arse you want to be,when you get to know them so well and know they have a family to support and not long had a child and his mistakes are more than likely because of this it's draining
Did you conduct any capability interviews prior to the termination of employment? As a employer is it not also your commitment to suggest a work around so your employee feels supported as they adjust to their newly paternal responsibilities?
I tried to speak to him the other night to try give him help and support but I guess he felt he didn't need it and could handle it,when he walked in at 10 o'clock even though he starts at 7 I asked him if he would like to go home and sleep/spend the night with his partner and got a sorry I'm late it won't happen again and the boss was in the office and looked at his record,if I'd of been there alone I'd of made him go home clocked him out at same time as me and say he forgot to clock in "
Sorry if you did this at any company you would find your self in the same position. unfortunately you don't seem to be of the management mind set.
It also sounds a bit strange he would be sacked after two weeks of bad time keeping. Most companies would have a much longer time frame for dismissing someone on punctuality. I'm guessing it must be a small company |
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"Depends on the individual you're sacking and the reasons behind it...
Any one of the people that work hard to make my job easy,3 simple mistakes so had to let him go,very good worker,I'm gutted for him
He's better off out of such a callous company then."
The little that I know about employment law - there is a procedure that needs to be followed. First he needs to be given a verbal warning, then a written warning, then a capability then a disciplinary etc.
If he's just had a child, he's entitled to paternity leave.
What kind of a Mickey Mouse company are you guys working for? |
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"If they are being sacked then it's their own fault most likely. Why do you feel bad about it ? People rarely get sacked for a one off reason unless they have done something seriously bad. And if this upsets you maybe you shouldn't have that responsibility .
Sacking any one is hard no matter how much of an hard Arse you want to be,when you get to know them so well and know they have a family to support and not long had a child and his mistakes are more than likely because of this it's draining
Did you conduct any capability interviews prior to the termination of employment? As a employer is it not also your commitment to suggest a work around so your employee feels supported as they adjust to their newly paternal responsibilities?
I tried to speak to him the other night to try give him help and support but I guess he felt he didn't need it and could handle it,when he walked in at 10 o'clock even though he starts at 7 I asked him if he would like to go home and sleep/spend the night with his partner and got a sorry I'm late it won't happen again and the boss was in the office and looked at his record,if I'd of been there alone I'd of made him go home clocked him out at same time as me and say he forgot to clock in
Sorry if you did this at any company you would find your self in the same position. unfortunately you don't seem to be of the management mind set.
It also sounds a bit strange he would be sacked after two weeks of bad time keeping. Most companies would have a much longer time frame for dismissing someone on punctuality. I'm guessing it must be a small company "
Yes it is a small company only 2 year old,my mind set as of sympathy for him iv don't what iv had to do by the book,as a man and humam I have feelings and sometimes I guess they get in way,I don't mind saying I have a heart lol |
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I think he may have grounds for claiming unlawful dismissal. The companies disciplinary procedure seems terrible. No investigation,no warning,just sacked. A short period of bad timekeeping can hardly be considered gross misconduct.
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"If they are being sacked then it's their own fault most likely. Why do you feel bad about it ? People rarely get sacked for a one off reason unless they have done something seriously bad. And if this upsets you maybe you shouldn't have that responsibility .
Sacking any one is hard no matter how much of an hard Arse you want to be,when you get to know them so well and know they have a family to support and not long had a child and his mistakes are more than likely because of this it's draining
Did you conduct any capability interviews prior to the termination of employment? As a employer is it not also your commitment to suggest a work around so your employee feels supported as they adjust to their newly paternal responsibilities?
I tried to speak to him the other night to try give him help and support but I guess he felt he didn't need it and could handle it,when he walked in at 10 o'clock even though he starts at 7 I asked him if he would like to go home and sleep/spend the night with his partner and got a sorry I'm late it won't happen again and the boss was in the office and looked at his record,if I'd of been there alone I'd of made him go home clocked him out at same time as me and say he forgot to clock in
Sorry if you did this at any company you would find your self in the same position. unfortunately you don't seem to be of the management mind set.
It also sounds a bit strange he would be sacked after two weeks of bad time keeping. Most companies would have a much longer time frame for dismissing someone on punctuality. I'm guessing it must be a small company
Yes it is a small company only 2 year old,my mind set as of sympathy for him iv don't what iv had to do by the book,as a man and humam I have feelings and sometimes I guess they get in way,I don't mind saying I have a heart lol "
What you suggested would be gross misconduct at any company. did this person mean so much to you that would lose your own job for them ? If they did then you should have done more for them as their direct manager before he got the chop. You being soft and not implementing help could have led to him not giving a shit and caused him to be more lack lustre about getting to work . Have you clocked him in and out before ? |
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"Depends on the individual you're sacking and the reasons behind it...
Any one of the people that work hard to make my job easy,3 simple mistakes so had to let him go,very good worker,I'm gutted for him
He's better off out of such a callous company then.
The little that I know about employment law - there is a procedure that needs to be followed. First he needs to be given a verbal warning, then a written warning, then a capability then a disciplinary etc.
If he's just had a child, he's entitled to paternity leave.
What kind of a Mickey Mouse company are you guys working for? "
The letter of the law has been stuck to,he was offered paternity leave and declined it out right,he's had written verbal ect,I can't say I completely agree with the company policy because I don't I just enforce it,3 strikes in 2 week are my 3 strikes to him and they've all been when the boss has been about otherwise like I say I'd of sent him home and he wouldn't have lost a penny |
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"I think he may have grounds for claiming unlawful dismissal. The companies disciplinary procedure seems terrible. No investigation,no warning,just sacked. A short period of bad timekeeping can hardly be considered gross misconduct.
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I'm not the only management lol I'm not on every night it's over a 2 week period that he's been sacked for yes and 3 warning by me yes and iv had to sack him |
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"Depends on the individual you're sacking and the reasons behind it...
Any one of the people that work hard to make my job easy,3 simple mistakes so had to let him go,very good worker,I'm gutted for him
He's better off out of such a callous company then.
That's got to be a joke seriously "
No, no joke, I'd say the company are treating you as a joke. |
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"If they are being sacked then it's their own fault most likely. Why do you feel bad about it ? People rarely get sacked for a one off reason unless they have done something seriously bad. And if this upsets you maybe you shouldn't have that responsibility .
Sacking any one is hard no matter how much of an hard Arse you want to be,when you get to know them so well and know they have a family to support and not long had a child and his mistakes are more than likely because of this it's draining
Did you conduct any capability interviews prior to the termination of employment? As a employer is it not also your commitment to suggest a work around so your employee feels supported as they adjust to their newly paternal responsibilities?
I tried to speak to him the other night to try give him help and support but I guess he felt he didn't need it and could handle it,when he walked in at 10 o'clock even though he starts at 7 I asked him if he would like to go home and sleep/spend the night with his partner and got a sorry I'm late it won't happen again and the boss was in the office and looked at his record,if I'd of been there alone I'd of made him go home clocked him out at same time as me and say he forgot to clock in
Sorry if you did this at any company you would find your self in the same position. unfortunately you don't seem to be of the management mind set.
It also sounds a bit strange he would be sacked after two weeks of bad time keeping. Most companies would have a much longer time frame for dismissing someone on punctuality. I'm guessing it must be a small company
Yes it is a small company only 2 year old,my mind set as of sympathy for him iv don't what iv had to do by the book,as a man and humam I have feelings and sometimes I guess they get in way,I don't mind saying I have a heart lol
What you suggested would be gross misconduct at any company. did this person mean so much to you that would lose your own job for them ? If they did then you should have done more for them as their direct manager before he got the chop. You being soft and not implementing help could have led to him not giving a shit and caused him to be more lack lustre about getting to work . Have you clocked him in and out before ? "
I can only help some one that wants the help and don't stick there head in the sand and no I wouldn't put my job on the line as I have a son to provide for myself |
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"Depends on the individual you're sacking and the reasons behind it...
Any one of the people that work hard to make my job easy,3 simple mistakes so had to let him go,very good worker,I'm gutted for him
He's better off out of such a callous company then.
That's got to be a joke seriously
No, no joke, I'd say the company are treating you as a joke."
They can have me do this that and the other I don't Reli care as long as my pay packet is there to pick up each month and the lads that have worked for there's get it,that's all that matters to me |
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"If they are being sacked then it's their own fault most likely. Why do you feel bad about it ? People rarely get sacked for a one off reason unless they have done something seriously bad. And if this upsets you maybe you shouldn't have that responsibility .
Sacking any one is hard no matter how much of an hard Arse you want to be,when you get to know them so well and know they have a family to support and not long had a child and his mistakes are more than likely because of this it's draining
Did you conduct any capability interviews prior to the termination of employment? As a employer is it not also your commitment to suggest a work around so your employee feels supported as they adjust to their newly paternal responsibilities?
I tried to speak to him the other night to try give him help and support but I guess he felt he didn't need it and could handle it,when he walked in at 10 o'clock even though he starts at 7 I asked him if he would like to go home and sleep/spend the night with his partner and got a sorry I'm late it won't happen again and the boss was in the office and looked at his record,if I'd of been there alone I'd of made him go home clocked him out at same time as me and say he forgot to clock in
Sorry if you did this at any company you would find your self in the same position. unfortunately you don't seem to be of the management mind set.
It also sounds a bit strange he would be sacked after two weeks of bad time keeping. Most companies would have a much longer time frame for dismissing someone on punctuality. I'm guessing it must be a small company
Yes it is a small company only 2 year old,my mind set as of sympathy for him iv don't what iv had to do by the book,as a man and humam I have feelings and sometimes I guess they get in way,I don't mind saying I have a heart lol
What you suggested would be gross misconduct at any company. did this person mean so much to you that would lose your own job for them ? If they did then you should have done more for them as their direct manager before he got the chop. You being soft and not implementing help could have led to him not giving a shit and caused him to be more lack lustre about getting to work . Have you clocked him in and out before ?
I can only help some one that wants the help and don't stick there head in the sand and no I wouldn't put my job on the line as I have a son to provide for myself "
As a manager you have duty of care in a work environment . You should come up with solutions during work time and agree a time scale. That is your responsibility . You saying yoj would click him in and out while he sleeps is shocking. And saying that if it was down to you he would still get paid whilst not being there is also shocking. If I found any of my managers doing this they would be suspended and face gross misconduct.
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"Depends on the individual you're sacking and the reasons behind it...
Any one of the people that work hard to make my job easy,3 simple mistakes so had to let him go,very good worker,I'm gutted for him
He's better off out of such a callous company then.
That's got to be a joke seriously
No, no joke, I'd say the company are treating you as a joke.
They can have me do this that and the other I don't Reli care as long as my pay packet is there to pick up each month and the lads that have worked for there's get it,that's all that matters to me "
How would these people feel if they worked hard and were on time every day and then they found out you were clocking in and out someone who wasn't there ? You would have anarchy |
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"If they are being sacked then it's their own fault most likely. Why do you feel bad about it ? People rarely get sacked for a one off reason unless they have done something seriously bad. And if this upsets you maybe you shouldn't have that responsibility .
Sacking any one is hard no matter how much of an hard Arse you want to be,when you get to know them so well and know they have a family to support and not long had a child and his mistakes are more than likely because of this it's draining
Did you conduct any capability interviews prior to the termination of employment? As a employer is it not also your commitment to suggest a work around so your employee feels supported as they adjust to their newly paternal responsibilities?
I tried to speak to him the other night to try give him help and support but I guess he felt he didn't need it and could handle it,when he walked in at 10 o'clock even though he starts at 7 I asked him if he would like to go home and sleep/spend the night with his partner and got a sorry I'm late it won't happen again and the boss was in the office and looked at his record,if I'd of been there alone I'd of made him go home clocked him out at same time as me and say he forgot to clock in
Sorry if you did this at any company you would find your self in the same position. unfortunately you don't seem to be of the management mind set.
It also sounds a bit strange he would be sacked after two weeks of bad time keeping. Most companies would have a much longer time frame for dismissing someone on punctuality. I'm guessing it must be a small company
Yes it is a small company only 2 year old,my mind set as of sympathy for him iv don't what iv had to do by the book,as a man and humam I have feelings and sometimes I guess they get in way,I don't mind saying I have a heart lol
What you suggested would be gross misconduct at any company. did this person mean so much to you that would lose your own job for them ? If they did then you should have done more for them as their direct manager before he got the chop. You being soft and not implementing help could have led to him not giving a shit and caused him to be more lack lustre about getting to work . Have you clocked him in and out before ?
I can only help some one that wants the help and don't stick there head in the sand and no I wouldn't put my job on the line as I have a son to provide for myself
As a manager you have duty of care in a work environment . You should come up with solutions during work time and agree a time scale. That is your responsibility . You saying yoj would click him in and out while he sleeps is shocking. And saying that if it was down to you he would still get paid whilst not being there is also shocking. If I found any of my managers doing this they would be suspended and face gross misconduct.
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Course They would an I know I'd get sacked pretty much if I was caught signing him in and out,not so much out if he's worked and forgot but that not the point |
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He would of been entitled to 3 weeks I believe but point blank refused to take it "
Do you blame him with the shitty way he's been treated since. What's his name? He needs legal advice to take this callous company to court. |
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"Depends on the individual you're sacking and the reasons behind it...
Any one of the people that work hard to make my job easy,3 simple mistakes so had to let him go,very good worker,I'm gutted for him
He's better off out of such a callous company then.
That's got to be a joke seriously
No, no joke, I'd say the company are treating you as a joke.
They can have me do this that and the other I don't Reli care as long as my pay packet is there to pick up each month and the lads that have worked for there's get it,that's all that matters to me
How would these people feel if they worked hard and were on time every day and then they found out you were clocking in and out someone who wasn't there ? You would have anarchy "
I'd have a lot of answering to do and a lot of explaining I know that and I take the risk,is it worth it some times it can be and very rewarding to help |
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I'm assuming your companies disciplinary procedure goes along the lines of:
1. Verbal warning
2. Written warning
3. Disciplinary hearing
So what occurred during his disciplinary hearing? Did he put forward his position of being an new father with the sleep deprivation that comes along with that? Did you as his manager, put forward that he should've took his paid paternity leave, or suggest that as he hasn't yet took it, that he takes it now and comes back to work afterwards to discuss a way forward? |
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"If they are being sacked then it's their own fault most likely. Why do you feel bad about it ? People rarely get sacked for a one off reason unless they have done something seriously bad. And if this upsets you maybe you shouldn't have that responsibility .
Sacking any one is hard no matter how much of an hard Arse you want to be,when you get to know them so well and know they have a family to support and not long had a child and his mistakes are more than likely because of this it's draining
Did you conduct any capability interviews prior to the termination of employment? As a employer is it not also your commitment to suggest a work around so your employee feels supported as they adjust to their newly paternal responsibilities?
I tried to speak to him the other night to try give him help and support but I guess he felt he didn't need it and could handle it,when he walked in at 10 o'clock even though he starts at 7 I asked him if he would like to go home and sleep/spend the night with his partner and got a sorry I'm late it won't happen again and the boss was in the office and looked at his record,if I'd of been there alone I'd of made him go home clocked him out at same time as me and say he forgot to clock in
Sorry if you did this at any company you would find your self in the same position. unfortunately you don't seem to be of the management mind set.
It also sounds a bit strange he would be sacked after two weeks of bad time keeping. Most companies would have a much longer time frame for dismissing someone on punctuality. I'm guessing it must be a small company
Yes it is a small company only 2 year old,my mind set as of sympathy for him iv don't what iv had to do by the book,as a man and humam I have feelings and sometimes I guess they get in way,I don't mind saying I have a heart lol
What you suggested would be gross misconduct at any company. did this person mean so much to you that would lose your own job for them ? If they did then you should have done more for them as their direct manager before he got the chop. You being soft and not implementing help could have led to him not giving a shit and caused him to be more lack lustre about getting to work . Have you clocked him in and out before ?
I can only help some one that wants the help and don't stick there head in the sand and no I wouldn't put my job on the line as I have a son to provide for myself
As a manager you have duty of care in a work environment . You should come up with solutions during work time and agree a time scale. That is your responsibility . You saying yoj would click him in and out while he sleeps is shocking. And saying that if it was down to you he would still get paid whilst not being there is also shocking. If I found any of my managers doing this they would be suspended and face gross misconduct.
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Do not ou really think the company has shown a duty of care to the guy? He's young, has a baby on the way. |
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He would of been entitled to 3 weeks I believe but point blank refused to take it
Do you blame him with the shitty way he's been treated since. What's his name? He needs legal advice to take this callous company to court."
You think I'm going to put some ones name on here come on now don't be silly,everything has been stuck to by the book |
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Most companies only offer up to two weeks for paternity . And depending on the job it's a lower rate of pay for those two weeks . So people do choose not to have it for financial reasons. It may be he would rather have had full pay. Not knowing the true facts of this case I would be surprised if he had only been sacked for being late 3 times. As any company boas would know this is a dangerous line and would easily be a case they would lose at a hearing. |
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He would of been entitled to 3 weeks I believe but point blank refused to take it
Do you blame him with the shitty way he's been treated since. What's his name? He needs legal advice to take this callous company to court.
You think I'm going to put some ones name on here come on now don't be silly,everything has been stuck to by the book "
I didn't say you had to say his name publicly. |
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He would of been entitled to 3 weeks I believe but point blank refused to take it
Do you blame him with the shitty way he's been treated since. What's his name? He needs legal advice to take this callous company to court.
You think I'm going to put some ones name on here come on now don't be silly,everything has been stuck to by the book "
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"If they are being sacked then it's their own fault most likely. Why do you feel bad about it ? People rarely get sacked for a one off reason unless they have done something seriously bad. And if this upsets you maybe you shouldn't have that responsibility .
Sacking any one is hard no matter how much of an hard Arse you want to be,when you get to know them so well and know they have a family to support and not long had a child and his mistakes are more than likely because of this it's draining
Did you conduct any capability interviews prior to the termination of employment? As a employer is it not also your commitment to suggest a work around so your employee feels supported as they adjust to their newly paternal responsibilities?
I tried to speak to him the other night to try give him help and support but I guess he felt he didn't need it and could handle it,when he walked in at 10 o'clock even though he starts at 7 I asked him if he would like to go home and sleep/spend the night with his partner and got a sorry I'm late it won't happen again and the boss was in the office and looked at his record,if I'd of been there alone I'd of made him go home clocked him out at same time as me and say he forgot to clock in
Sorry if you did this at any company you would find your self in the same position. unfortunately you don't seem to be of the management mind set.
It also sounds a bit strange he would be sacked after two weeks of bad time keeping. Most companies would have a much longer time frame for dismissing someone on punctuality. I'm guessing it must be a small company
Yes it is a small company only 2 year old,my mind set as of sympathy for him iv don't what iv had to do by the book,as a man and humam I have feelings and sometimes I guess they get in way,I don't mind saying I have a heart lol
What you suggested would be gross misconduct at any company. did this person mean so much to you that would lose your own job for them ? If they did then you should have done more for them as their direct manager before he got the chop. You being soft and not implementing help could have led to him not giving a shit and caused him to be more lack lustre about getting to work . Have you clocked him in and out before ?
I can only help some one that wants the help and don't stick there head in the sand and no I wouldn't put my job on the line as I have a son to provide for myself
As a manager you have duty of care in a work environment . You should come up with solutions during work time and agree a time scale. That is your responsibility . You saying yoj would click him in and out while he sleeps is shocking. And saying that if it was down to you he would still get paid whilst not being there is also shocking. If I found any of my managers doing this they would be suspended and face gross misconduct.
Do not ou really think the company has shown a duty of care to the guy? He's young, has a baby on the way. "
We don't know the facts , but it's clear the manager above him has let him down . Companies know the rules about lateness and paternity / maternity . It's very rare a boss would dismiss anyone on these grounds . |
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"I'm assuming your companies disciplinary procedure goes along the lines of:
1. Verbal warning
2. Written warning
3. Disciplinary hearing
So what occurred during his disciplinary hearing? Did he put forward his position of being an new father with the sleep deprivation that comes along with that? Did you as his manager, put forward that he should've took his paid paternity leave, or suggest that as he hasn't yet took it, that he takes it now and comes back to work afterwards to discuss a way forward? "
I will only say what iv done personally 2 verbal and a written warning the rest I haven't done others have apparently but I wasn't in,I wasn't the rep for him in the disciplinary hearing,and reading yes he was given the option of paternity leave by me once as for the rest I wasn't present,they have stuck by the book I will say that much |
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He would of been entitled to 3 weeks I believe but point blank refused to take it
Do you blame him with the shitty way he's been treated since. What's his name? He needs legal advice to take this callous company to court.
You think I'm going to put some ones name on here come on now don't be silly,everything has been stuck to by the book
Actually I doubt that. "
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"I'm sorry but turning up 3 hours late for a shift isn't just 'being late' it's taking the proverbial piss out of you. Doesn't sound as if he really wants to be there. "
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"If they are being sacked then it's their own fault most likely. Why do you feel bad about it ? People rarely get sacked for a one off reason unless they have done something seriously bad. And if this upsets you maybe you shouldn't have that responsibility .
Sacking any one is hard no matter how much of an hard Arse you want to be,when you get to know them so well and know they have a family to support and not long had a child and his mistakes are more than likely because of this it's draining
Did you conduct any capability interviews prior to the termination of employment? As a employer is it not also your commitment to suggest a work around so your employee feels supported as they adjust to their newly paternal responsibilities?
I tried to speak to him the other night to try give him help and support but I guess he felt he didn't need it and could handle it,when he walked in at 10 o'clock even though he starts at 7 I asked him if he would like to go home and sleep/spend the night with his partner and got a sorry I'm late it won't happen again and the boss was in the office and looked at his record,if I'd of been there alone I'd of made him go home clocked him out at same time as me and say he forgot to clock in
Sorry if you did this at any company you would find your self in the same position. unfortunately you don't seem to be of the management mind set.
It also sounds a bit strange he would be sacked after two weeks of bad time keeping. Most companies would have a much longer time frame for dismissing someone on punctuality. I'm guessing it must be a small company
Yes it is a small company only 2 year old,my mind set as of sympathy for him iv don't what iv had to do by the book,as a man and humam I have feelings and sometimes I guess they get in way,I don't mind saying I have a heart lol
What you suggested would be gross misconduct at any company. did this person mean so much to you that would lose your own job for them ? If they did then you should have done more for them as their direct manager before he got the chop. You being soft and not implementing help could have led to him not giving a shit and caused him to be more lack lustre about getting to work . Have you clocked him in and out before ?
I can only help some one that wants the help and don't stick there head in the sand and no I wouldn't put my job on the line as I have a son to provide for myself
As a manager you have duty of care in a work environment . You should come up with solutions during work time and agree a time scale. That is your responsibility . You saying yoj would click him in and out while he sleeps is shocking. And saying that if it was down to you he would still get paid whilst not being there is also shocking. If I found any of my managers doing this they would be suspended and face gross misconduct.
Do not ou really think the company has shown a duty of care to the guy? He's young, has a baby on the way.
We don't know the facts , but it's clear the manager above him has let him down . Companies know the rules about lateness and paternity / maternity . It's very rare a boss would dismiss anyone on these grounds . "
You are probably right he probably has been let down in a sense but I'm not going to plaster the full story on here just my own dealings with him that's all and me having to sack him |
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"I'm sorry but turning up 3 hours late for a shift isn't just 'being late' it's taking the proverbial piss out of you. Doesn't sound as if he really wants to be there. "
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"there's employment law all over the place in here! what a mess! you guys need to tidy up "
It's a very small portion or a story my dealings with him that doesn't include other things,mine were all for lateness and the final sacking I had to do,that all that's been posted about other things that may have happened if not said anything about |
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Yes not ideal but some times it needs doing, although there are companies and organisations that manage people out of their jobs because they want change etc |
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"Yes not ideal but some times it needs doing, although there are companies and organisations that manage people out of their jobs because they want change etc "
Very true |
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"If they are being sacked then it's their own fault most likely. Why do you feel bad about it ? People rarely get sacked for a one off reason unless they have done something seriously bad. And if this upsets you maybe you shouldn't have that responsibility . "
not necessarily always the persons fault !!!!!
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"If they are being sacked then it's their own fault most likely. Why do you feel bad about it ? People rarely get sacked for a one off reason unless they have done something seriously bad. And if this upsets you maybe you shouldn't have that responsibility . not necessarily always the persons fault !!!!!"
Didn't say it was , just said it's most likely. |
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"there's employment law all over the place in here! what a mess! you guys need to tidy up
It's a very small portion or a story my dealings with him that doesn't include other things,mine were all for lateness and the final sacking I had to do,that all that's been posted about other things that may have happened if not said anything about "
Well either post the full story or don't post anything. |
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"Any one else in a position of power that means you have to sack people?? Hardest thing in the world to do   "
Lol sorry we kinda took a different route from your original post. Guessing you were just trying to put out there that your a nice guy |
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"there's employment law all over the place in here! what a mess! you guys need to tidy up
It's a very small portion or a story my dealings with him that doesn't include other things,mine were all for lateness and the final sacking I had to do,that all that's been posted about other things that may have happened if not said anything about
Well either post the full story or don't post anything."
And when did you become high and mighty I will post what I want to post and no person can stop me from post,u might find I be in breach of a lot of things if I started putting names and the full story on a website lol |
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"Any one else in a position of power that means you have to sack people?? Hardest thing in the world to do
Lol sorry we kinda took a different route from your original post. Guessing you were just trying to put out there that your a nice guy "
Just that I was feeling abit shit about a sacking and Ye that I'm a nice guy that feels bad ha ha but yey went a whole different way lol |
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"there's employment law all over the place in here! what a mess! you guys need to tidy up
It's a very small portion or a story my dealings with him that doesn't include other things,mine were all for lateness and the final sacking I had to do,that all that's been posted about other things that may have happened if not said anything about "
i'm not too fussed, i was commenting on the state of this thread, it's a bloody pigsty. bits of employment law lying broken, and is that some legislation smeared into the carpet? c'mon guys!  |
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"there's employment law all over the place in here! what a mess! you guys need to tidy up
It's a very small portion or a story my dealings with him that doesn't include other things,mine were all for lateness and the final sacking I had to do,that all that's been posted about other things that may have happened if not said anything about
i'm not too fussed, i was commenting on the state of this thread, it's a bloody pigsty. bits of employment law lying broken, and is that some legislation smeared into the carpet? c'mon guys! "
Course it's a pigsty when the full story isn't there to comment on,it's all good and it's done,I will do what I can to help him like I have for weeks |
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"there's employment law all over the place in here! what a mess! you guys need to tidy up
It's a very small portion or a story my dealings with him that doesn't include other things,mine were all for lateness and the final sacking I had to do,that all that's been posted about other things that may have happened if not said anything about
i'm not too fussed, i was commenting on the state of this thread, it's a bloody pigsty. bits of employment law lying broken, and is that some legislation smeared into the carpet? c'mon guys!
Course it's a pigsty when the full story isn't there to comment on,it's all good and it's done,I will do what I can to help him like I have for weeks "
I'm high and mighty? Really? I didn't come in a site for people looking for sex and give my side of a story about sacking someone so they'd feel sorry for me. |
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"there's employment law all over the place in here! what a mess! you guys need to tidy up
It's a very small portion or a story my dealings with him that doesn't include other things,mine were all for lateness and the final sacking I had to do,that all that's been posted about other things that may have happened if not said anything about
i'm not too fussed, i was commenting on the state of this thread, it's a bloody pigsty. bits of employment law lying broken, and is that some legislation smeared into the carpet? c'mon guys!
Course it's a pigsty when the full story isn't there to comment on,it's all good and it's done,I will do what I can to help him like I have for weeks
I'm high and mighty? Really? I didn't come in a site for people looking for sex and give my side of a story about sacking someone so they'd feel sorry for me. "
A sex site that has a lot of people talking about a lot of different things,it's not just a sex site,I wasn't wanting any one to feel sorry for me more the other lad and words of advice and show a heart,ina way rant but you can take it as you please |
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"there's employment law all over the place in here! what a mess! you guys need to tidy up
It's a very small portion or a story my dealings with him that doesn't include other things,mine were all for lateness and the final sacking I had to do,that all that's been posted about other things that may have happened if not said anything about
i'm not too fussed, i was commenting on the state of this thread, it's a bloody pigsty. bits of employment law lying broken, and is that some legislation smeared into the carpet? c'mon guys!
Course it's a pigsty when the full story isn't there to comment on,it's all good and it's done,I will do what I can to help him like I have for weeks
I'm high and mighty? Really? I didn't come in a site for people looking for sex and give my side of a story about sacking someone so they'd feel sorry for me.
A sex site that has a lot of people talking about a lot of different things,it's not just a sex site,I wasn't wanting any one to feel sorry for me more the other lad and words of advice and show a heart,ina way rant but you can take it as you please "
Ok,I feel sorry for you but I feel worse for him. From what you've said, I think he's been treated appalling, Anyway, I'm tired. |
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"there's employment law all over the place in here! what a mess! you guys need to tidy up
It's a very small portion or a story my dealings with him that doesn't include other things,mine were all for lateness and the final sacking I had to do,that all that's been posted about other things that may have happened if not said anything about
i'm not too fussed, i was commenting on the state of this thread, it's a bloody pigsty. bits of employment law lying broken, and is that some legislation smeared into the carpet? c'mon guys!
Course it's a pigsty when the full story isn't there to comment on,it's all good and it's done,I will do what I can to help him like I have for weeks
I'm high and mighty? Really? I didn't come in a site for people looking for sex and give my side of a story about sacking someone so they'd feel sorry for me.
A sex site that has a lot of people talking about a lot of different things,it's not just a sex site,I wasn't wanting any one to feel sorry for me more the other lad and words of advice and show a heart,ina way rant but you can take it as you please
Ok,I feel sorry for you but I feel worse for him. From what you've said, I think he's been treated appalling, Anyway, I'm tired."
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"I'm sorry but turning up 3 hours late for a shift isn't just 'being late' it's taking the proverbial piss out of you. Doesn't sound as if he really wants to be there.
All heart "
If I turned up 3 hours late several times I'd expect to be pulled up about it. Why would a guy refuse 3 weeks off for paternity leave? Was it on full pay?
The whole scenario is full of holes. I think the OP should grow a pair and hire someone else. There's plenty people looking for a job. The guy won't starve. There's benefits and tax credits they can get.
The OP needs to separate work and friendship. |
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"I'm sorry but turning up 3 hours late for a shift isn't just 'being late' it's taking the proverbial piss out of you. Doesn't sound as if he really wants to be there.
All heart
If I turned up 3 hours late several times I'd expect to be pulled up about it. Why would a guy refuse 3 weeks off for paternity leave? Was it on full pay?
The whole scenario is full of holes. I think the OP should grow a pair and hire someone else. There's plenty people looking for a job. The guy won't starve. There's benefits and tax credits they can get.
The OP needs to separate work and friendship. "
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