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Are some people phobic about woman with blonde hair? I ask because I have been a "victim" of prejudice because I have natural blonde hair which obviously makes me thick, stupid, dumb, a slag, a man eater, a home wrecker..... You name it, we get called it. I think the Oxford English Dictionary should give it a name and then next time someone calls me a bimbo I can call the police and get them done for hate crime? | |||
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"Lets take this one quote from the prison thread. " A set of genitals is not going to hurt you until the owners of said genitals do hurt you with them. Just having them is not a crime." Then why have separate sex changing rooms at all? What is the purpose of that? " I'm all for mixed changing rooms. However you've stripped my comment of context. That context is a trans female. | |||
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"When I'm in a changing room I'm changing not looking at other people genitals " So need for single sex changing then. | |||
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"I am not afraid of transsexuals/transvestites. Who is?"  | |||
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Changing could be unisex too if there's room for cubicles. I'm more comfortable changing privately same as I'd prefer a cubicle to pee. | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. " Did you just equate transgender to paedophilia? People still have views like this? That is sickening. | |||
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"I am not afraid of transsexuals/transvestites. Who is?" For someone not afraid you seem awfully concerned about what's between a particular trans woman's legs. I wonder if she has put as much thought into your genitals? | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. " Really! Did you just say that?  | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. " Just have male, female and TV/TS changing rooms. Except that there aren't that many TV/TS people to make that economically viable and currently, any man with a GRC can claim to be a woman Or have unisex changing cubicles and unisex shower enclosures We have some unisex toilet cubicles at work. I prefer using those rather than stand behind a queue of women waiting to use the hand-wash-basin whilst they are touching up their make-up! | |||
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"I am not afraid of transsexuals/transvestites. Who is? For someone not afraid you seem awfully concerned about what's between a particular trans woman's legs. I wonder if she has put as much thought into your genitals? " Because 'she' is NOT a woman until 'she' has what is between the legs of all other women Just because you live in your TG bubble-world, does not mean that the vast majority of real-life mainstream world does too When most women in the big-wide world see a person with a five o'clock shadow and a penis, we see a man. We don't go around asking if he has a GRC That does not mean we are afraid of transsexuals. Just as we are not afraid of men either | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. " Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong | |||
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"I am not afraid of transsexuals/transvestites. Who is? For someone not afraid you seem awfully concerned about what's between a particular trans woman's legs. I wonder if she has put as much thought into your genitals? Because 'she' is NOT a woman until 'she' has what is between the legs of all other women Just because you live in your TG bubble-world, does not mean that the vast majority of real-life mainstream world does too When most women in the big-wide world see a person with a five o'clock shadow and a penis, we see a man. We don't go around asking if he has a GRC That does not mean we are afraid of transsexuals. Just as we are not afraid of men either" So why all the hate? Have you in some way been molested by this woman? Has she harmed you anywhere other than your sensibilities? | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. " Do these trans paedos prefer little girls to little boys then? | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Did you just equate transgender to paedophilia? People still have views like this? That is sickening. " No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us There is a reason behind segregated changing areas. Just because you don't see it that way, does not mean that everyone has to agree with your warped views too | |||
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"I am not afraid of transsexuals/transvestites. Who is? For someone not afraid you seem awfully concerned about what's between a particular trans woman's legs. I wonder if she has put as much thought into your genitals? Because 'she' is NOT a woman until 'she' has what is between the legs of all other women Just because you live in your TG bubble-world, does not mean that the vast majority of real-life mainstream world does too When most women in the big-wide world see a person with a five o'clock shadow and a penis, we see a man. We don't go around asking if he has a GRC That does not mean we are afraid of transsexuals. Just as we are not afraid of men either So why all the hate? Have you in some way been molested by this woman? Has she harmed you anywhere other than your sensibilities? " What hate? No man has molested me; I just don't want him in changing areas meant for women | |||
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"I am not afraid of transsexuals/transvestites. Who is? For someone not afraid you seem awfully concerned about what's between a particular trans woman's legs. I wonder if she has put as much thought into your genitals? Because 'she' is NOT a woman until 'she' has what is between the legs of all other women Just because you live in your TG bubble-world, does not mean that the vast majority of real-life mainstream world does too When most women in the big-wide world see a person with a five o'clock shadow and a penis, we see a man. We don't go around asking if he has a GRC That does not mean we are afraid of transsexuals. Just as we are not afraid of men either" Additionally. So my friend will never be a 'He' because he has no interest in that particular, painful procedure? | |||
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"I am not afraid of transsexuals/transvestites. Who is? For someone not afraid you seem awfully concerned about what's between a particular trans woman's legs. I wonder if she has put as much thought into your genitals? Because 'she' is NOT a woman until 'she' has what is between the legs of all other women Just because you live in your TG bubble-world, does not mean that the vast majority of real-life mainstream world does too When most women in the big-wide world see a person with a five o'clock shadow and a penis, we see a man. We don't go around asking if he has a GRC That does not mean we are afraid of transsexuals. Just as we are not afraid of men either So why all the hate? Have you in some way been molested by this woman? Has she harmed you anywhere other than your sensibilities? What hate? No man has molested me; I just don't want him in changing areas meant for women" But you offer zero reasoning between your unpleasant view that gender is simply what undercarriage you are packing? You agree that trans women are a danger to children? | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Did you just equate transgender to paedophilia? People still have views like this? That is sickening. No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us There is a reason behind segregated changing areas. Just because you don't see it that way, does not mean that everyone has to agree with your warped views too" "No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us" - But we're not talking about a man posing as a woman but a trangendered woman. | |||
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"I am not afraid of transsexuals/transvestites. Who is? For someone not afraid you seem awfully concerned about what's between a particular trans woman's legs. I wonder if she has put as much thought into your genitals? Because 'she' is NOT a woman until 'she' has what is between the legs of all other women Just because you live in your TG bubble-world, does not mean that the vast majority of real-life mainstream world does too When most women in the big-wide world see a person with a five o'clock shadow and a penis, we see a man. We don't go around asking if he has a GRC That does not mean we are afraid of transsexuals. Just as we are not afraid of men either Additionally. So my friend will never be a 'He' because he has no interest in that particular, painful procedure? " There you go again. Because your friend doesn't have any interest in that particular, painful procedure, you now expect the rest of the world to see a woman but treat him as if he was a man Fair point; and as far as using the correct gender pronouns and treating him with equal respect, I could not agree more | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Did you just equate transgender to paedophilia? People still have views like this? That is sickening. No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us There is a reason behind segregated changing areas. Just because you don't see it that way, does not mean that everyone has to agree with your warped views too" While I agree if my partner took our daughter to a female changing room I wouldn't expect her to see male genitalia the post before was not phrased like that! | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Do these trans paedos prefer little girls to little boys then? " Don't mothers take their young sons into the female changing areas to? | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong "If you'd let your heart rate down for a minute and be less outraged you'd see he's just showing the potential malevolent abuse of what could be used as a loophole It doea not says trans = paedo That's your wow just wow instinct on overdrive | |||
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"I am not afraid of transsexuals/transvestites. Who is? For someone not afraid you seem awfully concerned about what's between a particular trans woman's legs. I wonder if she has put as much thought into your genitals? Because 'she' is NOT a woman until 'she' has what is between the legs of all other women Just because you live in your TG bubble-world, does not mean that the vast majority of real-life mainstream world does too When most women in the big-wide world see a person with a five o'clock shadow and a penis, we see a man. We don't go around asking if he has a GRC That does not mean we are afraid of transsexuals. Just as we are not afraid of men either Additionally. So my friend will never be a 'He' because he has no interest in that particular, painful procedure? There you go again. Because your friend doesn't have any interest in that particular, painful procedure, you now expect the rest of the world to see a woman but treat him as if he was a man Fair point; and as far as using the correct gender pronouns and treating him with equal respect, I could not agree more" I would respond but this makes no sense. My friend is FtM. Male with a vagina. But male. Because he's male. You're telling him he can never be male because he refuses to have genital transformation which consists of a vaginectomy, a reconstruction of the horizontal part of the urethra, a scrotoplasty and a penile reconstruction usually with a radial forearm flap or alternative. Then one year later, penile prosthesis and testicular prostheses implanted when sensation has returned to the tip of his penis. | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong "You're missing my point. How long between a man deciding he's a woman before he can use women's changing facilities? | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Did you just equate transgender to paedophilia? People still have views like this? That is sickening. No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us There is a reason behind segregated changing areas. Just because you don't see it that way, does not mean that everyone has to agree with your warped views too "No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us" - But we're not talking about a man posing as a woman but a trangendered woman. " A person with a penis, just like every other man. The difference: a piece of paper stating otherwise A women's changing area is for women. If that person has had Gender Reassignment Surgery, then she is like any other woman and nobody would (or should) have any issues But if it is that person's choice not to have that surgery, then they are still male and can use the changing facilities meant for men The TG bubble-world only exists in the virtual world forums of sex-sites. The reality is completely different Try pulling out a GRC in the bedroom of a man who is straight and was just about to have sex with you and finds a penis dangling where he rightly expected a vagina; tell us what happens next | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
If you'd let your heart rate down for a minute and be less outraged you'd see he's just showing the potential malevolent abuse of what could be used as a loophole
It doea not says trans = paedo
That's your wow just wow instinct on overdrive " | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
If you'd let your heart rate down for a minute and be less outraged you'd see he's just showing the potential malevolent abuse of what could be used as a loophole
It doea not says trans = paedo
That's your wow just wow instinct on overdrive "So the problem isn't trans women but men pretending to trans to prey on children? If that's the case why are we worried about trans women? I'd prefer not to have paedophiles of any gender around my children. | |||
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"I am not afraid of transsexuals/transvestites. Who is? For someone not afraid you seem awfully concerned about what's between a particular trans woman's legs. I wonder if she has put as much thought into your genitals? Because 'she' is NOT a woman until 'she' has what is between the legs of all other women Just because you live in your TG bubble-world, does not mean that the vast majority of real-life mainstream world does too When most women in the big-wide world see a person with a five o'clock shadow and a penis, we see a man. We don't go around asking if he has a GRC That does not mean we are afraid of transsexuals. Just as we are not afraid of men either Additionally. So my friend will never be a 'He' because he has no interest in that particular, painful procedure? There you go again. Because your friend doesn't have any interest in that particular, painful procedure, you now expect the rest of the world to see a woman but treat him as if he was a man Fair point; and as far as using the correct gender pronouns and treating him with equal respect, I could not agree more I would respond but this makes no sense. My friend is FtM. Male with a vagina. But male. Because he's male. You're telling him he can never be male because he refuses to have genital transformation which consists of a vaginectomy, a reconstruction of the horizontal part of the urethra, a scrotoplasty and a penile reconstruction usually with a radial forearm flap or alternative. Then one year later, penile prosthesis and testicular prostheses implanted when sensation has returned to the tip of his penis." Yes, I am telling you that just as the vast majority of the mainstream world will tell you that if you ever asked this question on a mainstream forum and not on a swinging site or sex site forum | |||
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"I think Clem is Trump in disguise." I couldn't care less what you think. I will put the safety of children first. | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
You're missing my point. How long between a man deciding he's a woman before he can use women's changing facilities?"Assuming they are ts then they don't simply decide thats the point you are missing. This is not a man wearing womens clothes- please educate yourself. | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Did you just equate transgender to paedophilia? People still have views like this? That is sickening. No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us There is a reason behind segregated changing areas. Just because you don't see it that way, does not mean that everyone has to agree with your warped views too "No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us" - But we're not talking about a man posing as a woman but a trangendered woman. A person with a penis, just like every other man. The difference: a piece of paper stating otherwise A women's changing area is for women. If that person has had Gender Reassignment Surgery, then she is like any other woman and nobody would (or should) have any issues But if it is that person's choice not to have that surgery, then they are still male and can use the changing facilities meant for men The TG bubble-world only exists in the virtual world forums of sex-sites. The reality is completely different Try pulling out a GRC in the bedroom of a man who is straight and was just about to have sex with you and finds a penis dangling where he rightly expected a vagina; tell us what happens next" If that man doesn't want to have sex with a woman with a penis then he doesn't have sex with her! The same way anyone can withdraw consent at any time! You suggesting he beats the shit out of her? Like you suggested in the other thread? Then he's an abusive arsehole. | |||
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"I think Clem is Trump in disguise. I couldn't care less what you think. I will put the safety of children first. " Exactly what Trump would say | |||
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"I think Clem is Trump in disguise." No, I think that Clem is a normal person who generally fights for the rights and feelings of TG folk. But he is NOT an arse-licker who will agree with anyone who tries to convince him that it is day when it is actually nighttime | |||
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"I think Clem is Trump in disguise. No, I think that Clem is a normal person who generally fights for the rights and feelings of TG folk. But he is NOT an arse-licker who will agree with anyone who tries to convince him that it is day when it is actually nighttime " So you agree trans women (or men) are a danger to children due to their transgender status? | |||
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"I think Clem is Trump in disguise. No, I think that Clem is a normal person who generally fights for the rights and feelings of TG folk. But he is NOT an arse-licker who will agree with anyone who tries to convince him that it is day when it is actually nighttime So you agree trans women (or men) are a danger to children due to their transgender status? " That's idiotic Why are you trying to assign such sweeping opinions to people "He said this therefore he thinks that" | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
You're missing my point. How long between a man deciding he's a woman before he can use women's changing facilities?
Assuming they are ts then they don't simply decide thats the point you are missing.
This is not a man wearing womens clothes- please educate yourself."Please try living in the real-world from time-to-time and not constantly in the 'TG bubble-world' What is the difference between a m-to-f transvestite and a transsexual. Both have male genitalia Is is that one claims that he thinks like a woman and the other is a gay or bisexual man who likes wearing women's clothes? | |||
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"No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us " Of course no woman has ever molested or abused children! Sorry but bringing Children into this sort of a discussion only adds an additional and totally unnecessary emotive element. At the end of the day a minority of people, regardless of gender, race, religion or any other criteria are capable of horendous acts, both against our own species and all others. Surely that minority should not be used as a way to whip up emotions and hatred against any other part of society. | |||
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"I think Clem is Trump in disguise. No, I think that Clem is a normal person who generally fights for the rights and feelings of TG folk. But he is NOT an arse-licker who will agree with anyone who tries to convince him that it is day when it is actually nighttime So you agree trans women (or men) are a danger to children due to their transgender status? That's idiotic Why are you trying to assign such sweeping opinions to people "He said this therefore he thinks that"" "My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children" That's the quote, please help me by pointing out where I'm mistaken. | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
You're missing my point. How long between a man deciding he's a woman before he can use women's changing facilities?
Assuming they are ts then they don't simply decide thats the point you are missing.
This is not a man wearing womens clothes- please educate yourself.
Please try living in the real-world from time-to-time and not constantly in the 'TG bubble-world'
What is the difference between a m-to-f transvestite and a transsexual. Both have male genitalia
Is is that one claims that he thinks like a woman and the other is a gay or bisexual man who likes wearing women's clothes?"actually, some men who enjoy wearing women's clothes for a sexual purpose identify very clearly as straight | |||
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"No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us Of course no woman has ever molested or abused children! Sorry but bringing Children into this sort of a discussion only adds an additional and totally unnecessary emotive element. At the end of the day a minority of people, regardless of gender, race, religion or any other criteria are capable of horendous acts, both against our own species and all others. Surely that minority should not be used as a way to whip up emotions and hatred against any other part of society." Can I remind feminists of that next time they try to claim we live in a r@pe centric society? And it's 1 in 4 men doing it? | |||
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"I think Clem is Trump in disguise. No, I think that Clem is a normal person who generally fights for the rights and feelings of TG folk. But he is NOT an arse-licker who will agree with anyone who tries to convince him that it is day when it is actually nighttime So you agree trans women (or men) are a danger to children due to their transgender status? " No, but men are, rightly or wrongly, generally considered a danger to women and children and that is one of the reasons for gender segregated facilities And a trans-woman with a penis is still a man and most of the mainstream world will view and treat 'her' as such. A piece of paper saying otherwise just doesn't cut any ice in the real-world | |||
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"I think Clem is Trump in disguise. No, I think that Clem is a normal person who generally fights for the rights and feelings of TG folk. But he is NOT an arse-licker who will agree with anyone who tries to convince him that it is day when it is actually nighttime So you agree trans women (or men) are a danger to children due to their transgender status? That's idiotic Why are you trying to assign such sweeping opinions to people "He said this therefore he thinks that" "My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children" That's the quote, please help me by pointing out where I'm mistaken." If you can't see then you are already blind. | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
You're missing my point. How long between a man deciding he's a woman before he can use women's changing facilities?
Assuming they are ts then they don't simply decide thats the point you are missing.
This is not a man wearing womens clothes- please educate yourself.
Please try living in the real-world from time-to-time and not constantly in the 'TG bubble-world'
What is the difference between a m-to-f transvestite and a transsexual. Both have male genitalia
Is is that one claims that he thinks like a woman and the other is a gay or bisexual man who likes wearing women's clothes?"Stop talking about the 'Real World' like you've escaped the Matrix. This is the real world. Suicide and suicide attempts amongst the transgendered community are significantly higher than average and this can be attributed to, amongst other things, the lack of understanding and acceptance from others. You are part of the problem and that problem is costing people their lives. Happy you cite sources if anyone wishes to pm. | |||
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"No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us Of course no woman has ever molested or abused children! Sorry but bringing Children into this sort of a discussion only adds an additional and totally unnecessary emotive element. At the end of the day a minority of people, regardless of gender, race, religion or any other criteria are capable of horendous acts, both against our own species and all others. Surely that minority should not be used as a way to whip up emotions and hatred against any other part of society." Yes women do too But the majority of pedophiles, that we know of, are men. And they generally use their penis for that purpose But you are correct. That was not the issue under discussion here | |||
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"I think Clem is Trump in disguise. No, I think that Clem is a normal person who generally fights for the rights and feelings of TG folk. But he is NOT an arse-licker who will agree with anyone who tries to convince him that it is day when it is actually nighttime So you agree trans women (or men) are a danger to children due to their transgender status? That's idiotic Why are you trying to assign such sweeping opinions to people "He said this therefore he thinks that" "My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children" That's the quote, please help me by pointing out where I'm mistaken. If you can't see then you are already blind. " That's a cop out. Help me out with a rational argument. Or don't, try a glib comment instead, whatever. | |||
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"No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us Of course no woman has ever molested or abused children! Sorry but bringing Children into this sort of a discussion only adds an additional and totally unnecessary emotive element. At the end of the day a minority of people, regardless of gender, race, religion or any other criteria are capable of horendous acts, both against our own species and all others. Surely that minority should not be used as a way to whip up emotions and hatred against any other part of society. Yes women do too But the majority of pedophiles, that we know of, are men. And they generally use their penis for that purpose But you are correct. That was not the issue under discussion here" Are transgendered women who still have their penises a greater risk of being paedophiles than the rest of the population? | |||
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"If everyone thought like you did, we'd still have segregation in the US, apartheid in South Africa and women wouldn't be allowed to vote. " Extreme liberals labelling people again that's all. Anyone who disagrees = bigot, homophobic, transphobic | |||
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"If everyone thought like you did, we'd still have segregation in the US, apartheid in South Africa and women wouldn't be allowed to vote. Extreme liberals labelling people again that's all. Anyone who disagrees = bigot, homophobic, transphobic "It's baffling | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
You're missing my point. How long between a man deciding he's a woman before he can use women's changing facilities?
Assuming they are ts then they don't simply decide thats the point you are missing.
This is not a man wearing womens clothes- please educate yourself.
Please try living in the real-world from time-to-time and not constantly in the 'TG bubble-world'
What is the difference between a m-to-f transvestite and a transsexual. Both have male genitalia
Is is that one claims that he thinks like a woman and the other is a gay or bisexual man who likes wearing women's clothes?"I will stop commenting now because I don't even know were to start with that reply. Well at least the topic title was proven to be true. FYI I have two kids and a female partner so I do live in thw real world- my eyes are wide open, its refreshing- try it some time | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
You're missing my point. How long between a man deciding he's a woman before he can use women's changing facilities?
Assuming they are ts then they don't simply decide thats the point you are missing.
This is not a man wearing womens clothes- please educate yourself.
Please try living in the real-world from time-to-time and not constantly in the 'TG bubble-world'
What is the difference between a m-to-f transvestite and a transsexual. Both have male genitalia
Is is that one claims that he thinks like a woman and the other is a gay or bisexual man who likes wearing women's clothes?
Stop talking about the 'Real World' like you've escaped the Matrix. This is the real world. Suicide and suicide attempts amongst the transgendered community are significantly higher than average and this can be attributed to, amongst other things, the lack of understanding and acceptance from others.
You are part of the problem and that problem is costing people their lives.
Happy you cite sources if anyone wishes to pm. "The point I am trying to make is that you are the one living in the 'Matrix world' Try stepping out in the real world and smell the coffee Yes, the law does accept men, complete with a penis, as women. But that is where that acceptance ends People generally respect the law and will not say much. But don't bring suicide numbers into the discussion and tell me and everyone else to accept a man as if he was a woman when it is his CHOICE not to undergo Gender Reassignment Surgery. He doesn't even have to pay for it as it is available on the NHS! | |||
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"I already ha gave you the rational argument! He's pointing out a potential loophole and not saying all trans are paedos...that is clear as day. To the best of my knowledge he is bi and x dresses so hardly the bigot you'd love to think he is " Ok i get it now. Awesome thanks, actual peodophilles will pretend to be transgender in order to gain access to female bathrooms / changing areas! So to combat this we punish all transgender women ever! Well all transgender women who for what ever reason have not yet had painful genital surgery! That's your rational argument? Wow...just wow  | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
You're missing my point. How long between a man deciding he's a woman before he can use women's changing facilities?
Assuming they are ts then they don't simply decide thats the point you are missing.
This is not a man wearing womens clothes- please educate yourself.
Please try living in the real-world from time-to-time and not constantly in the 'TG bubble-world'
What is the difference between a m-to-f transvestite and a transsexual. Both have male genitalia
Is is that one claims that he thinks like a woman and the other is a gay or bisexual man who likes wearing women's clothes?
I will stop commenting now because I don't even know were to start with that reply.
Well at least the topic title was proven to be true.
FYI I have two kids and a female partner so I do live in thw real world- my eyes are wide open, its refreshing- try it some time "I do live in the real world and if you think you are a woman, then so be it. But don't expect me to agree with you on that | |||
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"If everyone thought like you did, we'd still have segregation in the US, apartheid in South Africa and women wouldn't be allowed to vote. Extreme liberals labelling people again that's all. Anyone who disagrees = bigot, homophobic, transphobic "When they're being bigoted or homophobic or transphobic, seems fair. | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
You're missing my point. How long between a man deciding he's a woman before he can use women's changing facilities?
Assuming they are ts then they don't simply decide thats the point you are missing.
This is not a man wearing womens clothes- please educate yourself.
Please try living in the real-world from time-to-time and not constantly in the 'TG bubble-world'
What is the difference between a m-to-f transvestite and a transsexual. Both have male genitalia
Is is that one claims that he thinks like a woman and the other is a gay or bisexual man who likes wearing women's clothes?
I will stop commenting now because I don't even know were to start with that reply.
Well at least the topic title was proven to be true.
FYI I have two kids and a female partner so I do live in thw real world- my eyes are wide open, its refreshing- try it some time
I do live in the real world and if you think you are a woman, then so be it. But don't expect me to agree with you on that"People like you make me ashamed to be human. | |||
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"Transgendered people aren't a threat to society it's the bigoted attitudes and narrow mindedness that is quite apparent in this forum.Quite simply you don't have to have GRS to be transgendered as seems to be implied by some comments.Fortunately a lot of young people are more socially aware these days and more accepting of trans people." Beautifully put x | |||
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"No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us Of course no woman has ever molested or abused children! Sorry but bringing Children into this sort of a discussion only adds an additional and totally unnecessary emotive element. At the end of the day a minority of people, regardless of gender, race, religion or any other criteria are capable of horendous acts, both against our own species and all others. Surely that minority should not be used as a way to whip up emotions and hatred against any other part of society. Yes women do too But the majority of pedophiles, that we know of, are men. And they generally use their penis for that purpose But you are correct. That was not the issue under discussion here Are transgendered women who still have their penises a greater risk of being paedophiles than the rest of the population? " Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve? My point is that i don't think a physical male who is not undergoing HRT should be allowed entry into a female changing area. More so if it is likely that children will be present. I'm not saying i think trans people are paedophiles. Im saying paedophiles and other sexual predators will exploit loop holes. | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
You're missing my point. How long between a man deciding he's a woman before he can use women's changing facilities?
Assuming they are ts then they don't simply decide thats the point you are missing.
This is not a man wearing womens clothes- please educate yourself.
Please try living in the real-world from time-to-time and not constantly in the 'TG bubble-world'
What is the difference between a m-to-f transvestite and a transsexual. Both have male genitalia
Is is that one claims that he thinks like a woman and the other is a gay or bisexual man who likes wearing women's clothes?
I will stop commenting now because I don't even know were to start with that reply.
Well at least the topic title was proven to be true.
FYI I have two kids and a female partner so I do live in thw real world- my eyes are wide open, its refreshing- try it some time
I do live in the real world and if you think you are a woman, then so be it. But don't expect me to agree with you on that
People like you make me ashamed to be human."Oh, for ffs. Your one-liners without any substance are becoming boring | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
You're missing my point. How long between a man deciding he's a woman before he can use women's changing facilities?
Assuming they are ts then they don't simply decide thats the point you are missing.
This is not a man wearing womens clothes- please educate yourself.
Please try living in the real-world from time-to-time and not constantly in the 'TG bubble-world'
What is the difference between a m-to-f transvestite and a transsexual. Both have male genitalia
Is is that one claims that he thinks like a woman and the other is a gay or bisexual man who likes wearing women's clothes?
Stop talking about the 'Real World' like you've escaped the Matrix. This is the real world. Suicide and suicide attempts amongst the transgendered community are significantly higher than average and this can be attributed to, amongst other things, the lack of understanding and acceptance from others.
You are part of the problem and that problem is costing people their lives.
Happy you cite sources if anyone wishes to pm.
The point I am trying to make is that you are the one living in the 'Matrix world'
Try stepping out in the real world and smell the coffee
Yes, the law does accept men, complete with a penis, as women. But that is where that acceptance ends
People generally respect the law and will not say much. But don't bring suicide numbers into the discussion and tell me and everyone else to accept a man as if he was a woman when it is his CHOICE not to undergo Gender Reassignment Surgery. He doesn't even have to pay for it as it is available on the NHS!"Why do you think the suicide rate amongst transgendered is disproportionately high? I'm genuinely interested. Do you think not being accepted I their bathroom or changing space could be part of it? | |||
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"If everyone thought like you did, we'd still have segregation in the US, apartheid in South Africa and women wouldn't be allowed to vote. Extreme liberals labelling people again that's all. Anyone who disagrees = bigot, homophobic, transphobic
When they're being bigoted or homophobic or transphobic, seems fair."No, they are not bigoted nor are afraid of homosexuals or transsexuals. They just don't agree with the 'me, me' view of your bubble-world | |||
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"If everyone thought like you did, we'd still have segregation in the US, apartheid in South Africa and women wouldn't be allowed to vote. Extreme liberals labelling people again that's all. Anyone who disagrees = bigot, homophobic, transphobic
When they're being bigoted or homophobic or transphobic, seems fair."I haven't seen any insults or abuse though just people disagreeing with you. Just because you say something it doesn't make it so. | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Do these trans paedos prefer little girls to little boys then? Don't mothers take their young sons into the female changing areas to?" Yes, because it goes on the parents gender. I tended to use the disabled loo with my daughters and hoped I wasn't inconveniencing anyone who needed it. When they were a little older I'd stand outside the ladies waiting for them, more concerned that they'd misbehave in an area I shouldn't enter than that they'd be assaulted. | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
You're missing my point. How long between a man deciding he's a woman before he can use women's changing facilities?
Assuming they are ts then they don't simply decide thats the point you are missing.
This is not a man wearing womens clothes- please educate yourself.
Please try living in the real-world from time-to-time and not constantly in the 'TG bubble-world'
What is the difference between a m-to-f transvestite and a transsexual. Both have male genitalia
Is is that one claims that he thinks like a woman and the other is a gay or bisexual man who likes wearing women's clothes?
Stop talking about the 'Real World' like you've escaped the Matrix. This is the real world. Suicide and suicide attempts amongst the transgendered community are significantly higher than average and this can be attributed to, amongst other things, the lack of understanding and acceptance from others.
You are part of the problem and that problem is costing people their lives.
Happy you cite sources if anyone wishes to pm.
The point I am trying to make is that you are the one living in the 'Matrix world'
Try stepping out in the real world and smell the coffee
Yes, the law does accept men, complete with a penis, as women. But that is where that acceptance ends
People generally respect the law and will not say much. But don't bring suicide numbers into the discussion and tell me and everyone else to accept a man as if he was a woman when it is his CHOICE not to undergo Gender Reassignment Surgery. He doesn't even have to pay for it as it is available on the NHS!
Why do you think the suicide rate amongst transgendered is disproportionately high? I'm genuinely interested. Do you think not being accepted I their bathroom or changing space could be part of it? "You are the transsexual so you tell me, Is it because people aren't hypocritcal enough to accept men with male genitalia as women? | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong "I agree with you Hun there and I am getting sick of people having issues with us! I don't go posting in couples forums and slagging them off do I? What exactly is there problem?? I think they need to open their small minds instead of their big mouths. | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Do these trans paedos prefer little girls to little boys then? Don't mothers take their young sons into the female changing areas to? Yes, because it goes on the parents gender. " | |||
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"No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us Of course no woman has ever molested or abused children! Sorry but bringing Children into this sort of a discussion only adds an additional and totally unnecessary emotive element. At the end of the day a minority of people, regardless of gender, race, religion or any other criteria are capable of horendous acts, both against our own species and all others. Surely that minority should not be used as a way to whip up emotions and hatred against any other part of society. Yes women do too But the majority of pedophiles, that we know of, are men. And they generally use their penis for that purpose But you are correct. That was not the issue under discussion here Are transgendered women who still have their penises a greater risk of being paedophiles than the rest of the population? Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve? My point is that i don't think a physical male who is not undergoing HRT should be allowed entry into a female changing area. More so if it is likely that children will be present. I'm not saying i think trans people are paedophiles. Im saying paedophiles and other sexual predators will exploit loop holes. " Paedophiles could train to be teachers. Or nurses. Or police officers. Or social workers. Or any other profession that grants access to children. What do you plan we do about that? I would be willing to wager that more teachers are currently serving time for child abuse than transgendered folk. Are you as scared of teachers? It's ok to admit you were wrong. | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
I agree with you Hun there and I am getting sick of people having issues with us! I don't go posting in couples forums and slagging them off do I? What exactly is there problem?? I think they need to open their small minds instead of their big mouths."And whilst we are insulting others, I wish some transsexuals will think with their big brain instead of their little brain | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
You're missing my point. How long between a man deciding he's a woman before he can use women's changing facilities?
Assuming they are ts then they don't simply decide thats the point you are missing.
This is not a man wearing womens clothes- please educate yourself.
Please try living in the real-world from time-to-time and not constantly in the 'TG bubble-world'
What is the difference between a m-to-f transvestite and a transsexual. Both have male genitalia
Is is that one claims that he thinks like a woman and the other is a gay or bisexual man who likes wearing women's clothes?
Stop talking about the 'Real World' like you've escaped the Matrix. This is the real world. Suicide and suicide attempts amongst the transgendered community are significantly higher than average and this can be attributed to, amongst other things, the lack of understanding and acceptance from others.
You are part of the problem and that problem is costing people their lives.
Happy you cite sources if anyone wishes to pm.
The point I am trying to make is that you are the one living in the 'Matrix world'
Try stepping out in the real world and smell the coffee
Yes, the law does accept men, complete with a penis, as women. But that is where that acceptance ends
People generally respect the law and will not say much. But don't bring suicide numbers into the discussion and tell me and everyone else to accept a man as if he was a woman when it is his CHOICE not to undergo Gender Reassignment Surgery. He doesn't even have to pay for it as it is available on the NHS!
Why do you think the suicide rate amongst transgendered is disproportionately high? I'm genuinely interested. Do you think not being accepted I their bathroom or changing space could be part of it?
You are the transsexual so you tell me, Is it because people aren't hypocritcal enough to accept men with male genitalia as women?"I'm not transsexual. People are dying. And it's small minded people like you that are killing them. | |||
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"If everyone thought like you did, we'd still have segregation in the US, apartheid in South Africa and women wouldn't be allowed to vote. Extreme liberals labelling people again that's all. Anyone who disagrees = bigot, homophobic, transphobic
When they're being bigoted or homophobic or transphobic, seems fair.
No, they are not bigoted nor are afraid of homosexuals or transsexuals. They just don't agree with the 'me, me' view of your bubble-world"Its not a bubble world at all, the ideal world you have of female and male being black and white is the bubble world- wake up and look around. Its as bad as being white and saying the black people will never travel on my bus..... | |||
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"If everyone thought like you did, we'd still have segregation in the US, apartheid in South Africa and women wouldn't be allowed to vote. " Ahhh the good old days  | |||
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"No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us Of course no woman has ever molested or abused children! Sorry but bringing Children into this sort of a discussion only adds an additional and totally unnecessary emotive element. At the end of the day a minority of people, regardless of gender, race, religion or any other criteria are capable of horendous acts, both against our own species and all others. Surely that minority should not be used as a way to whip up emotions and hatred against any other part of society. Yes women do too But the majority of pedophiles, that we know of, are men. And they generally use their penis for that purpose But you are correct. That was not the issue under discussion here Are transgendered women who still have their penises a greater risk of being paedophiles than the rest of the population? Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve? My point is that i don't think a physical male who is not undergoing HRT should be allowed entry into a female changing area. More so if it is likely that children will be present. I'm not saying i think trans people are paedophiles. Im saying paedophiles and other sexual predators will exploit loop holes. Paedophiles could train to be teachers. Or nurses. Or police officers. Or social workers. Or any other profession that grants access to children. What do you plan we do about that? I would be willing to wager that more teachers are currently serving time for child abuse than transgendered folk. Are you as scared of teachers? It's ok to admit you were wrong. " Who said that it was transgenderd folk? What has been said that it would be men pretending to be transgendered and gain access to areas where they shouldn't be allowed Why do you put worlds in other people's mouths? The problem is that one cannot distinguish between a man, who has a penis, pretending to be transsexual or between a transsexual with a penis | |||
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"If everyone thought like you did, we'd still have segregation in the US, apartheid in South Africa and women wouldn't be allowed to vote. Ahhh the good old days "Hey JC how's it hanging? | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
I agree with you Hun there and I am getting sick of people having issues with us! I don't go posting in couples forums and slagging them off do I? What exactly is there problem?? I think they need to open their small minds instead of their big mouths.
And whilst we are insulting others, I wish some transsexuals will think with their big brain instead of their little brain"Stupidity ,being dramatic & ignorance are just like S.T.D.'s...they're diseases that people don't know they have & very hard to get rid off. | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
You're missing my point. How long between a man deciding he's a woman before he can use women's changing facilities?
Assuming they are ts then they don't simply decide thats the point you are missing.
This is not a man wearing womens clothes- please educate yourself.
Please try living in the real-world from time-to-time and not constantly in the 'TG bubble-world'
What is the difference between a m-to-f transvestite and a transsexual. Both have male genitalia
Is is that one claims that he thinks like a woman and the other is a gay or bisexual man who likes wearing women's clothes?
Stop talking about the 'Real World' like you've escaped the Matrix. This is the real world. Suicide and suicide attempts amongst the transgendered community are significantly higher than average and this can be attributed to, amongst other things, the lack of understanding and acceptance from others.
You are part of the problem and that problem is costing people their lives.
Happy you cite sources if anyone wishes to pm.
The point I am trying to make is that you are the one living in the 'Matrix world'
Try stepping out in the real world and smell the coffee
Yes, the law does accept men, complete with a penis, as women. But that is where that acceptance ends
People generally respect the law and will not say much. But don't bring suicide numbers into the discussion and tell me and everyone else to accept a man as if he was a woman when it is his CHOICE not to undergo Gender Reassignment Surgery. He doesn't even have to pay for it as it is available on the NHS!
Why do you think the suicide rate amongst transgendered is disproportionately high? I'm genuinely interested. Do you think not being accepted I their bathroom or changing space could be part of it?
You are the transsexual so you tell me, Is it because people aren't hypocritcal enough to accept men with male genitalia as women?
I'm not transsexual. People are dying. And it's small minded people like you that are killing them. "Yeah, the majority of the real mainstream world are doing the 'killing' whilst transsexuals are just making choices not to have sex-change surgeries I get it; their choices trump reality | |||
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"No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us Of course no woman has ever molested or abused children! Sorry but bringing Children into this sort of a discussion only adds an additional and totally unnecessary emotive element. At the end of the day a minority of people, regardless of gender, race, religion or any other criteria are capable of horendous acts, both against our own species and all others. Surely that minority should not be used as a way to whip up emotions and hatred against any other part of society. Yes women do too But the majority of pedophiles, that we know of, are men. And they generally use their penis for that purpose But you are correct. That was not the issue under discussion here Are transgendered women who still have their penises a greater risk of being paedophiles than the rest of the population? Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve? My point is that i don't think a physical male who is not undergoing HRT should be allowed entry into a female changing area. More so if it is likely that children will be present. I'm not saying i think trans people are paedophiles. Im saying paedophiles and other sexual predators will exploit loop holes. Paedophiles could train to be teachers. Or nurses. Or police officers. Or social workers. Or any other profession that grants access to children. What do you plan we do about that? I would be willing to wager that more teachers are currently serving time for child abuse than transgendered folk. Are you as scared of teachers? It's ok to admit you were wrong. Who said that it was transgenderd folk? What has been said that it would be men pretending to be transgendered and gain access to areas where they shouldn't be allowed Why do you put worlds in other people's mouths? The problem is that one cannot distinguish between a man, who has a penis, pretending to be transsexual or between a transsexual with a penis" He said that, it's even in the quoted text and by agreeing you are saying it by proxy. | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
I agree with you Hun there and I am getting sick of people having issues with us! I don't go posting in couples forums and slagging them off do I? What exactly is there problem?? I think they need to open their small minds instead of their big mouths.
And whilst we are insulting others, I wish some transsexuals will think with their big brain instead of their little brain
Stupidity ,being dramatic & ignorance are just like S.T.D.'s...they're diseases that people don't know they have & very hard to get rid off."Yep; delusional behaviour is as bad as when an STD starts rotting the brain | |||
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"No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us Of course no woman has ever molested or abused children! Sorry but bringing Children into this sort of a discussion only adds an additional and totally unnecessary emotive element. At the end of the day a minority of people, regardless of gender, race, religion or any other criteria are capable of horendous acts, both against our own species and all others. Surely that minority should not be used as a way to whip up emotions and hatred against any other part of society. Yes women do too But the majority of pedophiles, that we know of, are men. And they generally use their penis for that purpose But you are correct. That was not the issue under discussion here Are transgendered women who still have their penises a greater risk of being paedophiles than the rest of the population? Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve? My point is that i don't think a physical male who is not undergoing HRT should be allowed entry into a female changing area. More so if it is likely that children will be present. I'm not saying i think trans people are paedophiles. Im saying paedophiles and other sexual predators will exploit loop holes. Paedophiles could train to be teachers. Or nurses. Or police officers. Or social workers. Or any other profession that grants access to children. What do you plan we do about that? I would be willing to wager that more teachers are currently serving time for child abuse than transgendered folk. Are you as scared of teachers? It's ok to admit you were wrong. Who said that it was transgenderd folk? What has been said that it would be men pretending to be transgendered and gain access to areas where they shouldn't be allowed Why do you put worlds in other people's mouths? The problem is that one cannot distinguish between a man, who has a penis, pretending to be transsexual or between a transsexual with a penis He said that, it's even in the quoted text and by agreeing you are saying it by proxy. " No he didn't; quote his complete comment again where he said that transsexuals are pedophiles | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
You're missing my point. How long between a man deciding he's a woman before he can use women's changing facilities?
Assuming they are ts then they don't simply decide thats the point you are missing.
This is not a man wearing womens clothes- please educate yourself.
Please try living in the real-world from time-to-time and not constantly in the 'TG bubble-world'
What is the difference between a m-to-f transvestite and a transsexual. Both have male genitalia
Is is that one claims that he thinks like a woman and the other is a gay or bisexual man who likes wearing women's clothes?
Stop talking about the 'Real World' like you've escaped the Matrix. This is the real world. Suicide and suicide attempts amongst the transgendered community are significantly higher than average and this can be attributed to, amongst other things, the lack of understanding and acceptance from others.
You are part of the problem and that problem is costing people their lives.
Happy you cite sources if anyone wishes to pm.
The point I am trying to make is that you are the one living in the 'Matrix world'
Try stepping out in the real world and smell the coffee
Yes, the law does accept men, complete with a penis, as women. But that is where that acceptance ends
People generally respect the law and will not say much. But don't bring suicide numbers into the discussion and tell me and everyone else to accept a man as if he was a woman when it is his CHOICE not to undergo Gender Reassignment Surgery. He doesn't even have to pay for it as it is available on the NHS!
Why do you think the suicide rate amongst transgendered is disproportionately high? I'm genuinely interested. Do you think not being accepted I their bathroom or changing space could be part of it?
You are the transsexual so you tell me, Is it because people aren't hypocritcal enough to accept men with male genitalia as women?
I'm not transsexual. People are dying. And it's small minded people like you that are killing them.
Yeah, the majority of the real mainstream world are doing the 'killing' whilst transsexuals are just making choices not to have sex-change surgeries
I get it; their choices trump reality"Do you have any concept of how painful and risky genital transforation is? It hurts and takes a long time and the results are not always great. The difference between me and you is simple, i see a person for who they are, you judge on the way their flaps flap. Is that any difference, have any of these arguments been any different, to age old arguments of race? | |||
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"Honestly cant believe some of the narrow minded rubbish that gets posted online these days This site isn't for you if you expect a narrow minded world, everyone has different kinks leave them be, they are highly unlikely to be trying to force it down your throat they would much rather spend the time with people who share their kink " Nobody cares about their 'kink', as you put it, here. People only get affected when they try and force it down other people's throats in the mainstream world | |||
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"All the people with their paedophile worries . You do realise that if someone wanted to abuse a child they could sneak into a changing room and pullbthat child into a cubicle and abuse that child while the mother was distracted ? I don't think rules generally stop criminals " They could disguise themselves as a bin. i don't see bins being taken out of locker rooms. | |||
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"No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us Of course no woman has ever molested or abused children! Sorry but bringing Children into this sort of a discussion only adds an additional and totally unnecessary emotive element. At the end of the day a minority of people, regardless of gender, race, religion or any other criteria are capable of horendous acts, both against our own species and all others. Surely that minority should not be used as a way to whip up emotions and hatred against any other part of society. Yes women do too But the majority of pedophiles, that we know of, are men. And they generally use their penis for that purpose But you are correct. That was not the issue under discussion here Are transgendered women who still have their penises a greater risk of being paedophiles than the rest of the population? Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve? My point is that i don't think a physical male who is not undergoing HRT should be allowed entry into a female changing area. More so if it is likely that children will be present. I'm not saying i think trans people are paedophiles. Im saying paedophiles and other sexual predators will exploit loop holes. Paedophiles could train to be teachers. Or nurses. Or police officers. Or social workers. Or any other profession that grants access to children. What do you plan we do about that? I would be willing to wager that more teachers are currently serving time for child abuse than transgendered folk. Are you as scared of teachers? It's ok to admit you were wrong. Who said that it was transgenderd folk? What has been said that it would be men pretending to be transgendered and gain access to areas where they shouldn't be allowed Why do you put worlds in other people's mouths? The problem is that one cannot distinguish between a man, who has a penis, pretending to be transsexual or between a transsexual with a penis He said that, it's even in the quoted text and by agreeing you are saying it by proxy. No he didn't; quote his complete comment again where he said that transsexuals are pedophiles" They got the blinkers on though you see, they would rather cry transphobic when the guy is trans himself.  | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
You're missing my point. How long between a man deciding he's a woman before he can use women's changing facilities?
Assuming they are ts then they don't simply decide thats the point you are missing.
This is not a man wearing womens clothes- please educate yourself.
Please try living in the real-world from time-to-time and not constantly in the 'TG bubble-world'
What is the difference between a m-to-f transvestite and a transsexual. Both have male genitalia
Is is that one claims that he thinks like a woman and the other is a gay or bisexual man who likes wearing women's clothes?
Stop talking about the 'Real World' like you've escaped the Matrix. This is the real world. Suicide and suicide attempts amongst the transgendered community are significantly higher than average and this can be attributed to, amongst other things, the lack of understanding and acceptance from others.
You are part of the problem and that problem is costing people their lives.
Happy you cite sources if anyone wishes to pm.
The point I am trying to make is that you are the one living in the 'Matrix world'
Try stepping out in the real world and smell the coffee
Yes, the law does accept men, complete with a penis, as women. But that is where that acceptance ends
People generally respect the law and will not say much. But don't bring suicide numbers into the discussion and tell me and everyone else to accept a man as if he was a woman when it is his CHOICE not to undergo Gender Reassignment Surgery. He doesn't even have to pay for it as it is available on the NHS!
Why do you think the suicide rate amongst transgendered is disproportionately high? I'm genuinely interested. Do you think not being accepted I their bathroom or changing space could be part of it?
You are the transsexual so you tell me, Is it because people aren't hypocritcal enough to accept men with male genitalia as women?
I'm not transsexual. People are dying. And it's small minded people like you that are killing them.
Yeah, the majority of the real mainstream world are doing the 'killing' whilst transsexuals are just making choices not to have sex-change surgeries
I get it; their choices trump reality
Do you have any concept of how painful and risky genital transforation is? It hurts and takes a long time and the results are not always great. The difference between me and you is simple, i see a person for who they are, you judge on the way their flaps flap. Is that any difference, have any of these arguments been any different, to age old arguments of race? "No, I don'. And this has nothing to do with race so don't try to confuse the issue But I bet is is not as painful as cancer surgery, liver resection and 32 cycles of chemotherapy. No f**king CHOICES there | |||
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"No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us Of course no woman has ever molested or abused children! Sorry but bringing Children into this sort of a discussion only adds an additional and totally unnecessary emotive element. At the end of the day a minority of people, regardless of gender, race, religion or any other criteria are capable of horendous acts, both against our own species and all others. Surely that minority should not be used as a way to whip up emotions and hatred against any other part of society. Yes women do too But the majority of pedophiles, that we know of, are men. And they generally use their penis for that purpose But you are correct. That was not the issue under discussion here Are transgendered women who still have their penises a greater risk of being paedophiles than the rest of the population? Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve? My point is that i don't think a physical male who is not undergoing HRT should be allowed entry into a female changing area. More so if it is likely that children will be present. I'm not saying i think trans people are paedophiles. Im saying paedophiles and other sexual predators will exploit loop holes. Paedophiles could train to be teachers. Or nurses. Or police officers. Or social workers. Or any other profession that grants access to children. What do you plan we do about that? I would be willing to wager that more teachers are currently serving time for child abuse than transgendered folk. Are you as scared of teachers? It's ok to admit you were wrong. " I'm not talking about trans people. I'm talking about sexual predators gaining easy access to naked women and children. Under the guise of being trans. | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
I agree with you Hun there and I am getting sick of people having issues with us! I don't go posting in couples forums and slagging them off do I? What exactly is there problem?? I think they need to open their small minds instead of their big mouths.
And whilst we are insulting others, I wish some transsexuals will think with their big brain instead of their little brain
Stupidity ,being dramatic & ignorance are just like S.T.D.'s...they're diseases that people don't know they have & very hard to get rid off.
Yep; delusional behaviour is as bad as when an STD starts rotting the brain"I find it amusing, sad and pathetic that one's integrity and character can be attacked by someone who has neither. | |||
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"No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us Of course no woman has ever molested or abused children! Sorry but bringing Children into this sort of a discussion only adds an additional and totally unnecessary emotive element. At the end of the day a minority of people, regardless of gender, race, religion or any other criteria are capable of horendous acts, both against our own species and all others. Surely that minority should not be used as a way to whip up emotions and hatred against any other part of society. Yes women do too But the majority of pedophiles, that we know of, are men. And they generally use their penis for that purpose But you are correct. That was not the issue under discussion here Are transgendered women who still have their penises a greater risk of being paedophiles than the rest of the population? Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve? My point is that i don't think a physical male who is not undergoing HRT should be allowed entry into a female changing area. More so if it is likely that children will be present. I'm not saying i think trans people are paedophiles. Im saying paedophiles and other sexual predators will exploit loop holes. Paedophiles could train to be teachers. Or nurses. Or police officers. Or social workers. Or any other profession that grants access to children. What do you plan we do about that? I would be willing to wager that more teachers are currently serving time for child abuse than transgendered folk. Are you as scared of teachers? It's ok to admit you were wrong. Who said that it was transgenderd folk? What has been said that it would be men pretending to be transgendered and gain access to areas where they shouldn't be allowed Why do you put worlds in other people's mouths? The problem is that one cannot distinguish between a man, who has a penis, pretending to be transsexual or between a transsexual with a penis He said that, it's even in the quoted text and by agreeing you are saying it by proxy. No he didn't; quote his complete comment again where he said that transsexuals are pedophiles" "Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve?" Making the assumption that all transgendered are potentially abusers in disguise. | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
You're missing my point. How long between a man deciding he's a woman before he can use women's changing facilities?
Assuming they are ts then they don't simply decide thats the point you are missing.
This is not a man wearing womens clothes- please educate yourself.
Please try living in the real-world from time-to-time and not constantly in the 'TG bubble-world'
What is the difference between a m-to-f transvestite and a transsexual. Both have male genitalia
Is is that one claims that he thinks like a woman and the other is a gay or bisexual man who likes wearing women's clothes?
Stop talking about the 'Real World' like you've escaped the Matrix. This is the real world. Suicide and suicide attempts amongst the transgendered community are significantly higher than average and this can be attributed to, amongst other things, the lack of understanding and acceptance from others.
You are part of the problem and that problem is costing people their lives.
Happy you cite sources if anyone wishes to pm.
The point I am trying to make is that you are the one living in the 'Matrix world'
Try stepping out in the real world and smell the coffee
Yes, the law does accept men, complete with a penis, as women. But that is where that acceptance ends
People generally respect the law and will not say much. But don't bring suicide numbers into the discussion and tell me and everyone else to accept a man as if he was a woman when it is his CHOICE not to undergo Gender Reassignment Surgery. He doesn't even have to pay for it as it is available on the NHS!
Why do you think the suicide rate amongst transgendered is disproportionately high? I'm genuinely interested. Do you think not being accepted I their bathroom or changing space could be part of it?
You are the transsexual so you tell me, Is it because people aren't hypocritcal enough to accept men with male genitalia as women?
I'm not transsexual. People are dying. And it's small minded people like you that are killing them.
Yeah, the majority of the real mainstream world are doing the 'killing' whilst transsexuals are just making choices not to have sex-change surgeries
I get it; their choices trump reality
Do you have any concept of how painful and risky genital transforation is? It hurts and takes a long time and the results are not always great. The difference between me and you is simple, i see a person for who they are, you judge on the way their flaps flap. Is that any difference, have any of these arguments been any different, to age old arguments of race?
No, I don'. And this has nothing to do with race so don't try to confuse the issue
But I bet is is not as painful as cancer surgery, liver resection and 32 cycles of chemotherapy. No f**king CHOICES there"Don't mention race! But...Cancer! Please don't let that be your argument. You're better than that. | |||
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"No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us Of course no woman has ever molested or abused children! Sorry but bringing Children into this sort of a discussion only adds an additional and totally unnecessary emotive element. At the end of the day a minority of people, regardless of gender, race, religion or any other criteria are capable of horendous acts, both against our own species and all others. Surely that minority should not be used as a way to whip up emotions and hatred against any other part of society. Yes women do too But the majority of pedophiles, that we know of, are men. And they generally use their penis for that purpose But you are correct. That was not the issue under discussion here Are transgendered women who still have their penises a greater risk of being paedophiles than the rest of the population? Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve? My point is that i don't think a physical male who is not undergoing HRT should be allowed entry into a female changing area. More so if it is likely that children will be present. I'm not saying i think trans people are paedophiles. Im saying paedophiles and other sexual predators will exploit loop holes. Paedophiles could train to be teachers. Or nurses. Or police officers. Or social workers. Or any other profession that grants access to children. What do you plan we do about that? I would be willing to wager that more teachers are currently serving time for child abuse than transgendered folk. Are you as scared of teachers? It's ok to admit you were wrong. I'm not talking about trans people. I'm talking about sexual predators gaining easy access to naked women and children. Under the guise of being trans. " Or teachers, or police officers, or bins... | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
I agree with you Hun there and I am getting sick of people having issues with us! I don't go posting in couples forums and slagging them off do I? What exactly is there problem?? I think they need to open their small minds instead of their big mouths.
And whilst we are insulting others, I wish some transsexuals will think with their big brain instead of their little brain
Stupidity ,being dramatic & ignorance are just like S.T.D.'s...they're diseases that people don't know they have & very hard to get rid off.
Yep; delusional behaviour is as bad as when an STD starts rotting the brain
I find it amusing, sad and pathetic that one's integrity and character can be attacked by someone who has neither."I wish some transsexuals had some integrity and character rather instead of just their narcissistic tendency to think only about themselves and their feelings | |||
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"No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us Of course no woman has ever molested or abused children! Sorry but bringing Children into this sort of a discussion only adds an additional and totally unnecessary emotive element. At the end of the day a minority of people, regardless of gender, race, religion or any other criteria are capable of horendous acts, both against our own species and all others. Surely that minority should not be used as a way to whip up emotions and hatred against any other part of society. Yes women do too But the majority of pedophiles, that we know of, are men. And they generally use their penis for that purpose But you are correct. That was not the issue under discussion here Are transgendered women who still have their penises a greater risk of being paedophiles than the rest of the population? Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve? My point is that i don't think a physical male who is not undergoing HRT should be allowed entry into a female changing area. More so if it is likely that children will be present. I'm not saying i think trans people are paedophiles. Im saying paedophiles and other sexual predators will exploit loop holes. Paedophiles could train to be teachers. Or nurses. Or police officers. Or social workers. Or any other profession that grants access to children. What do you plan we do about that? I would be willing to wager that more teachers are currently serving time for child abuse than transgendered folk. Are you as scared of teachers? It's ok to admit you were wrong. Who said that it was transgenderd folk? What has been said that it would be men pretending to be transgendered and gain access to areas where they shouldn't be allowed Why do you put worlds in other people's mouths? The problem is that one cannot distinguish between a man, who has a penis, pretending to be transsexual or between a transsexual with a penis He said that, it's even in the quoted text and by agreeing you are saying it by proxy. No he didn't; quote his complete comment again where he said that transsexuals are pedophiles "Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve?" Making the assumption that all transgendered are potentially abusers in disguise. " That's a legitimate question which sees the bigger picture, not everybody is a sheep, there are wolves out there and you have to be aware of that. | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
I agree with you Hun there and I am getting sick of people having issues with us! I don't go posting in couples forums and slagging them off do I? What exactly is there problem?? I think they need to open their small minds instead of their big mouths.
And whilst we are insulting others, I wish some transsexuals will think with their big brain instead of their little brain
Stupidity ,being dramatic & ignorance are just like S.T.D.'s...they're diseases that people don't know they have & very hard to get rid off.
Yep; delusional behaviour is as bad as when an STD starts rotting the brain
I find it amusing, sad and pathetic that one's integrity and character can be attacked by someone who has neither.
I wish some transsexuals had some integrity and character rather instead of just their narcissistic tendency to think only about themselves and their feelings"By feelings, you mean, rights. | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
You're missing my point. How long between a man deciding he's a woman before he can use women's changing facilities?
Assuming they are ts then they don't simply decide thats the point you are missing.
This is not a man wearing womens clothes- please educate yourself.
Please try living in the real-world from time-to-time and not constantly in the 'TG bubble-world'
What is the difference between a m-to-f transvestite and a transsexual. Both have male genitalia
Is is that one claims that he thinks like a woman and the other is a gay or bisexual man who likes wearing women's clothes?
Stop talking about the 'Real World' like you've escaped the Matrix. This is the real world. Suicide and suicide attempts amongst the transgendered community are significantly higher than average and this can be attributed to, amongst other things, the lack of understanding and acceptance from others.
You are part of the problem and that problem is costing people their lives.
Happy you cite sources if anyone wishes to pm.
The point I am trying to make is that you are the one living in the 'Matrix world'
Try stepping out in the real world and smell the coffee
Yes, the law does accept men, complete with a penis, as women. But that is where that acceptance ends
People generally respect the law and will not say much. But don't bring suicide numbers into the discussion and tell me and everyone else to accept a man as if he was a woman when it is his CHOICE not to undergo Gender Reassignment Surgery. He doesn't even have to pay for it as it is available on the NHS!
Why do you think the suicide rate amongst transgendered is disproportionately high? I'm genuinely interested. Do you think not being accepted I their bathroom or changing space could be part of it?
You are the transsexual so you tell me, Is it because people aren't hypocritcal enough to accept men with male genitalia as women?
I'm not transsexual. People are dying. And it's small minded people like you that are killing them.
Yeah, the majority of the real mainstream world are doing the 'killing' whilst transsexuals are just making choices not to have sex-change surgeries
I get it; their choices trump reality
Do you have any concept of how painful and risky genital transforation is? It hurts and takes a long time and the results are not always great. The difference between me and you is simple, i see a person for who they are, you judge on the way their flaps flap. Is that any difference, have any of these arguments been any different, to age old arguments of race?
No, I don'. And this has nothing to do with race so don't try to confuse the issue
But I bet is is not as painful as cancer surgery, liver resection and 32 cycles of chemotherapy. No f**king CHOICES there
Don't mention race! But...Cancer!
Please don't let that be your argument. You're better than that. "I am Just making a comparison to you equating this issue with race | |||
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"No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us Of course no woman has ever molested or abused children! Sorry but bringing Children into this sort of a discussion only adds an additional and totally unnecessary emotive element. At the end of the day a minority of people, regardless of gender, race, religion or any other criteria are capable of horendous acts, both against our own species and all others. Surely that minority should not be used as a way to whip up emotions and hatred against any other part of society. Yes women do too But the majority of pedophiles, that we know of, are men. And they generally use their penis for that purpose But you are correct. That was not the issue under discussion here Are transgendered women who still have their penises a greater risk of being paedophiles than the rest of the population? Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve? My point is that i don't think a physical male who is not undergoing HRT should be allowed entry into a female changing area. More so if it is likely that children will be present. I'm not saying i think trans people are paedophiles. Im saying paedophiles and other sexual predators will exploit loop holes. Paedophiles could train to be teachers. Or nurses. Or police officers. Or social workers. Or any other profession that grants access to children. What do you plan we do about that? I would be willing to wager that more teachers are currently serving time for child abuse than transgendered folk. Are you as scared of teachers? It's ok to admit you were wrong. Who said that it was transgenderd folk? What has been said that it would be men pretending to be transgendered and gain access to areas where they shouldn't be allowed Why do you put worlds in other people's mouths? The problem is that one cannot distinguish between a man, who has a penis, pretending to be transsexual or between a transsexual with a penis He said that, it's even in the quoted text and by agreeing you are saying it by proxy. No he didn't; quote his complete comment again where he said that transsexuals are pedophiles "Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve?" Making the assumption that all transgendered are potentially abusers in disguise. That's a legitimate question which sees the bigger picture, not everybody is a sheep, there are wolves out there and you have to be aware of that." But the wolves are more likely to be elsewhere. Fear promoting discrimination. | |||
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"All the people with their paedophile worries . You do realise that if someone wanted to abuse a child they could sneak into a changing room and pullbthat child into a cubicle and abuse that child while the mother was distracted ? I don't think rules generally stop criminals " I was more concerned about covert photography being very easy. Than a physical attack. However. 10 years ago a man in a dress walking into a female changing room would have been challenged. Now they have every right to be there, such a person will go unchallenged. I'm sure it'll all be fine. | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
I agree with you Hun there and I am getting sick of people having issues with us! I don't go posting in couples forums and slagging them off do I? What exactly is there problem?? I think they need to open their small minds instead of their big mouths.
And whilst we are insulting others, I wish some transsexuals will think with their big brain instead of their little brain
Stupidity ,being dramatic & ignorance are just like S.T.D.'s...they're diseases that people don't know they have & very hard to get rid off.
Yep; delusional behaviour is as bad as when an STD starts rotting the brain
I find it amusing, sad and pathetic that one's integrity and character can be attacked by someone who has neither.
I wish some transsexuals had some integrity and character rather instead of just their narcissistic tendency to think only about themselves and their feelings
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
You're missing my point. How long between a man deciding he's a woman before he can use women's changing facilities?
Assuming they are ts then they don't simply decide thats the point you are missing.
This is not a man wearing womens clothes- please educate yourself.
Please try living in the real-world from time-to-time and not constantly in the 'TG bubble-world'
What is the difference between a m-to-f transvestite and a transsexual. Both have male genitalia
Is is that one claims that he thinks like a woman and the other is a gay or bisexual man who likes wearing women's clothes?
Stop talking about the 'Real World' like you've escaped the Matrix. This is the real world. Suicide and suicide attempts amongst the transgendered community are significantly higher than average and this can be attributed to, amongst other things, the lack of understanding and acceptance from others.
You are part of the problem and that problem is costing people their lives.
Happy you cite sources if anyone wishes to pm.
The point I am trying to make is that you are the one living in the 'Matrix world'
Try stepping out in the real world and smell the coffee
Yes, the law does accept men, complete with a penis, as women. But that is where that acceptance ends
People generally respect the law and will not say much. But don't bring suicide numbers into the discussion and tell me and everyone else to accept a man as if he was a woman when it is his CHOICE not to undergo Gender Reassignment Surgery. He doesn't even have to pay for it as it is available on the NHS!
Why do you think the suicide rate amongst transgendered is disproportionately high? I'm genuinely interested. Do you think not being accepted I their bathroom or changing space could be part of it?
You are the transsexual so you tell me, Is it because people aren't hypocritcal enough to accept men with male genitalia as women?
I'm not transsexual. People are dying. And it's small minded people like you that are killing them.
Yeah, the majority of the real mainstream world are doing the 'killing' whilst transsexuals are just making choices not to have sex-change surgeries
I get it; their choices trump reality
Do you have any concept of how painful and risky genital transforation is? It hurts and takes a long time and the results are not always great. The difference between me and you is simple, i see a person for who they are, you judge on the way their flaps flap. Is that any difference, have any of these arguments been any different, to age old arguments of race?
No, I don'. And this has nothing to do with race so don't try to confuse the issue
But I bet is is not as painful as cancer surgery, liver resection and 32 cycles of chemotherapy. No f**king CHOICES there
Don't mention race! But...Cancer!
Please don't let that be your argument. You're better than that.
I am
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"No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us Of course no woman has ever molested or abused children! Sorry but bringing Children into this sort of a discussion only adds an additional and totally unnecessary emotive element. At the end of the day a minority of people, regardless of gender, race, religion or any other criteria are capable of horendous acts, both against our own species and all others. Surely that minority should not be used as a way to whip up emotions and hatred against any other part of society. Yes women do too But the majority of pedophiles, that we know of, are men. And they generally use their penis for that purpose But you are correct. That was not the issue under discussion here Are transgendered women who still have their penises a greater risk of being paedophiles than the rest of the population? Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve? My point is that i don't think a physical male who is not undergoing HRT should be allowed entry into a female changing area. More so if it is likely that children will be present. I'm not saying i think trans people are paedophiles. Im saying paedophiles and other sexual predators will exploit loop holes. Paedophiles could train to be teachers. Or nurses. Or police officers. Or social workers. Or any other profession that grants access to children. What do you plan we do about that? I would be willing to wager that more teachers are currently serving time for child abuse than transgendered folk. Are you as scared of teachers? It's ok to admit you were wrong. Who said that it was transgenderd folk? What has been said that it would be men pretending to be transgendered and gain access to areas where they shouldn't be allowed Why do you put worlds in other people's mouths? The problem is that one cannot distinguish between a man, who has a penis, pretending to be transsexual or between a transsexual with a penis He said that, it's even in the quoted text and by agreeing you are saying it by proxy. No he didn't; quote his complete comment again where he said that transsexuals are pedophiles "Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve?" Making the assumption that all transgendered are potentially abusers in disguise. That's a legitimate question which sees the bigger picture, not everybody is a sheep, there are wolves out there and you have to be aware of that. But the wolves are more likely to be elsewhere. Fear promoting discrimination. " By making people aware of the flaws in their concept | |||
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"No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us Of course no woman has ever molested or abused children! Sorry but bringing Children into this sort of a discussion only adds an additional and totally unnecessary emotive element. At the end of the day a minority of people, regardless of gender, race, religion or any other criteria are capable of horendous acts, both against our own species and all others. Surely that minority should not be used as a way to whip up emotions and hatred against any other part of society. Yes women do too But the majority of pedophiles, that we know of, are men. And they generally use their penis for that purpose But you are correct. That was not the issue under discussion here Are transgendered women who still have their penises a greater risk of being paedophiles than the rest of the population? Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve? My point is that i don't think a physical male who is not undergoing HRT should be allowed entry into a female changing area. More so if it is likely that children will be present. I'm not saying i think trans people are paedophiles. Im saying paedophiles and other sexual predators will exploit loop holes. Paedophiles could train to be teachers. Or nurses. Or police officers. Or social workers. Or any other profession that grants access to children. What do you plan we do about that? I would be willing to wager that more teachers are currently serving time for child abuse than transgendered folk. Are you as scared of teachers? It's ok to admit you were wrong. Who said that it was transgenderd folk? What has been said that it would be men pretending to be transgendered and gain access to areas where they shouldn't be allowed Why do you put worlds in other people's mouths? The problem is that one cannot distinguish between a man, who has a penis, pretending to be transsexual or between a transsexual with a penis He said that, it's even in the quoted text and by agreeing you are saying it by proxy. No he didn't; quote his complete comment again where he said that transsexuals are pedophiles "Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve?" Making the assumption that all transgendered are potentially abusers in disguise. That's a legitimate question which sees the bigger picture, not everybody is a sheep, there are wolves out there and you have to be aware of that. But the wolves are more likely to be elsewhere. Fear promoting discrimination. By making people aware of the flaws in their concept "I don't understand, even with the rolly eye emoji | |||
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"No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us Of course no woman has ever molested or abused children! Sorry but bringing Children into this sort of a discussion only adds an additional and totally unnecessary emotive element. At the end of the day a minority of people, regardless of gender, race, religion or any other criteria are capable of horendous acts, both against our own species and all others. Surely that minority should not be used as a way to whip up emotions and hatred against any other part of society. Yes women do too But the majority of pedophiles, that we know of, are men. And they generally use their penis for that purpose But you are correct. That was not the issue under discussion here Are transgendered women who still have their penises a greater risk of being paedophiles than the rest of the population? Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve? My point is that i don't think a physical male who is not undergoing HRT should be allowed entry into a female changing area. More so if it is likely that children will be present. I'm not saying i think trans people are paedophiles. Im saying paedophiles and other sexual predators will exploit loop holes. Paedophiles could train to be teachers. Or nurses. Or police officers. Or social workers. Or any other profession that grants access to children. What do you plan we do about that? I would be willing to wager that more teachers are currently serving time for child abuse than transgendered folk. Are you as scared of teachers? It's ok to admit you were wrong. Who said that it was transgenderd folk? What has been said that it would be men pretending to be transgendered and gain access to areas where they shouldn't be allowed Why do you put worlds in other people's mouths? The problem is that one cannot distinguish between a man, who has a penis, pretending to be transsexual or between a transsexual with a penis He said that, it's even in the quoted text and by agreeing you are saying it by proxy. No he didn't; quote his complete comment again where he said that transsexuals are pedophiles "Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve?" Making the assumption that all transgendered are potentially abusers in disguise. That's a legitimate question which sees the bigger picture, not everybody is a sheep, there are wolves out there and you have to be aware of that. But the wolves are more likely to be elsewhere. Fear promoting discrimination. " Please understand what the word 'discrimination' means Discrimination is when one person is treated better than the other in the same category. I do not treat men better or worse than any transsexual with a penis | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
You're missing my point. How long between a man deciding he's a woman before he can use women's changing facilities?
Assuming they are ts then they don't simply decide thats the point you are missing.
This is not a man wearing womens clothes- please educate yourself.
Please try living in the real-world from time-to-time and not constantly in the 'TG bubble-world'
What is the difference between a m-to-f transvestite and a transsexual. Both have male genitalia
Is is that one claims that he thinks like a woman and the other is a gay or bisexual man who likes wearing women's clothes?
Stop talking about the 'Real World' like you've escaped the Matrix. This is the real world. Suicide and suicide attempts amongst the transgendered community are significantly higher than average and this can be attributed to, amongst other things, the lack of understanding and acceptance from others.
You are part of the problem and that problem is costing people their lives.
Happy you cite sources if anyone wishes to pm.
The point I am trying to make is that you are the one living in the 'Matrix world'
Try stepping out in the real world and smell the coffee
Yes, the law does accept men, complete with a penis, as women. But that is where that acceptance ends
People generally respect the law and will not say much. But don't bring suicide numbers into the discussion and tell me and everyone else to accept a man as if he was a woman when it is his CHOICE not to undergo Gender Reassignment Surgery. He doesn't even have to pay for it as it is available on the NHS!
Why do you think the suicide rate amongst transgendered is disproportionately high? I'm genuinely interested. Do you think not being accepted I their bathroom or changing space could be part of it?
You are the transsexual so you tell me, Is it because people aren't hypocritcal enough to accept men with male genitalia as women?
I'm not transsexual. People are dying. And it's small minded people like you that are killing them.
Yeah, the majority of the real mainstream world are doing the 'killing' whilst transsexuals are just making choices not to have sex-change surgeries
I get it; their choices trump reality
Do you have any concept of how painful and risky genital transforation is? It hurts and takes a long time and the results are not always great. The difference between me and you is simple, i see a person for who they are, you judge on the way their flaps flap. Is that any difference, have any of these arguments been any different, to age old arguments of race?
No, I don'. And this has nothing to do with race so don't try to confuse the issue
But I bet is is not as painful as cancer surgery, liver resection and 32 cycles of chemotherapy. No f**king CHOICES there
Don't mention race! But...Cancer!
Please don't let that be your argument. You're better than that.
I am
Just making a comparison to you equating this issue with race
I suppose cancer surgery is elective. Would you judge some one who elected not to have treatment because of the pain and risk involved? "
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"No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us Of course no woman has ever molested or abused children! Sorry but bringing Children into this sort of a discussion only adds an additional and totally unnecessary emotive element. At the end of the day a minority of people, regardless of gender, race, religion or any other criteria are capable of horendous acts, both against our own species and all others. Surely that minority should not be used as a way to whip up emotions and hatred against any other part of society. Yes women do too But the majority of pedophiles, that we know of, are men. And they generally use their penis for that purpose But you are correct. That was not the issue under discussion here Are transgendered women who still have their penises a greater risk of being paedophiles than the rest of the population? Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve? My point is that i don't think a physical male who is not undergoing HRT should be allowed entry into a female changing area. More so if it is likely that children will be present. I'm not saying i think trans people are paedophiles. Im saying paedophiles and other sexual predators will exploit loop holes. Paedophiles could train to be teachers. Or nurses. Or police officers. Or social workers. Or any other profession that grants access to children. What do you plan we do about that? I would be willing to wager that more teachers are currently serving time for child abuse than transgendered folk. Are you as scared of teachers? It's ok to admit you were wrong. Who said that it was transgenderd folk? What has been said that it would be men pretending to be transgendered and gain access to areas where they shouldn't be allowed Why do you put worlds in other people's mouths? The problem is that one cannot distinguish between a man, who has a penis, pretending to be transsexual or between a transsexual with a penis He said that, it's even in the quoted text and by agreeing you are saying it by proxy. No he didn't; quote his complete comment again where he said that transsexuals are pedophiles "Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve?" Making the assumption that all transgendered are potentially abusers in disguise. That's a legitimate question which sees the bigger picture, not everybody is a sheep, there are wolves out there and you have to be aware of that. But the wolves are more likely to be elsewhere. Fear promoting discrimination. Please understand what the word 'discrimination' means Discrimination is when one person is treated better than the other in the same category. I do not treat men better or worse than any transsexual with a penis" I fear you need to understand the meaning of the word. A transgendered woman is a woman. Penis or no penis. You are discriminating against her because of your small minded beliefs. | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Wow, just wow- and transexuals don't have children? Your assuming transexuals are noy good people thay pose a threat- you're wrong
I agree with you Hun there and I am getting sick of people having issues with us! I don't go posting in couples forums and slagging them off do I? What exactly is there problem?? I think they need to open their small minds instead of their big mouths.
And whilst we are insulting others, I wish some transsexuals will think with their big brain instead of their little brain
Stupidity ,being dramatic & ignorance are just like S.T.D.'s...they're diseases that people don't know they have & very hard to get rid off.
Yep; delusional behaviour is as bad as when an STD starts rotting the brain
I find it amusing, sad and pathetic that one's integrity and character can be attacked by someone who has neither.
I wish some transsexuals had some integrity and character rather instead of just their narcissistic tendency to think only about themselves and their feelings
By feelings, you mean, rights.
Do non-transsexual people have rights too? Or are these now exclusive to the TG folk?"No it's equal rights. We don't ask you to agree with the decisions we make in "OUR LIFES" but we sure as hell didn't ask you to judge us EITHER. | |||
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"All the people with their paedophile worries . You do realise that if someone wanted to abuse a child they could sneak into a changing room and pullbthat child into a cubicle and abuse that child while the mother was distracted ? I don't think rules generally stop criminals I was more concerned about covert photography being very easy. Than a physical attack. However. 10 years ago a man in a dress walking into a female changing room would have been challenged. Now they have every right to be there, such a person will go unchallenged. I'm sure it'll all be fine. "They could just put hidden cameras in beforehand . Stopping someone who identifies as woman using a woman's changing room or toilet (and vice Versa ) isn't making anyone safer | |||
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"No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us Of course no woman has ever molested or abused children! Sorry but bringing Children into this sort of a discussion only adds an additional and totally unnecessary emotive element. At the end of the day a minority of people, regardless of gender, race, religion or any other criteria are capable of horendous acts, both against our own species and all others. Surely that minority should not be used as a way to whip up emotions and hatred against any other part of society. Yes women do too But the majority of pedophiles, that we know of, are men. And they generally use their penis for that purpose But you are correct. That was not the issue under discussion here Are transgendered women who still have their penises a greater risk of being paedophiles than the rest of the population? Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve? My point is that i don't think a physical male who is not undergoing HRT should be allowed entry into a female changing area. More so if it is likely that children will be present. I'm not saying i think trans people are paedophiles. Im saying paedophiles and other sexual predators will exploit loop holes. Paedophiles could train to be teachers. Or nurses. Or police officers. Or social workers. Or any other profession that grants access to children. What do you plan we do about that? I would be willing to wager that more teachers are currently serving time for child abuse than transgendered folk. Are you as scared of teachers? It's ok to admit you were wrong. Who said that it was transgenderd folk? What has been said that it would be men pretending to be transgendered and gain access to areas where they shouldn't be allowed Why do you put worlds in other people's mouths? The problem is that one cannot distinguish between a man, who has a penis, pretending to be transsexual or between a transsexual with a penis He said that, it's even in the quoted text and by agreeing you are saying it by proxy. No he didn't; quote his complete comment again where he said that transsexuals are pedophiles "Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve?" Making the assumption that all transgendered are potentially abusers in disguise. That's a legitimate question which sees the bigger picture, not everybody is a sheep, there are wolves out there and you have to be aware of that. But the wolves are more likely to be elsewhere. Fear promoting discrimination. By making people aware of the flaws in their concept
I don't understand, even with the rolly eye emoji"It is not transphobic to point out that people in your perfect world where everybody goes the same toilet/ changing room is open to abuse that's all. | |||
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"If there was a prize for forcing narrowminded bigoted attitudes down some one's throat Josie you win hands down.What was that crap about men being seen as a danger to women and children?" You would view the mainstream thinking 'narrow-minded bigotry' just as the mainstream population will view your thinking as delusional I don't know about what 'that' cr*p was about men being seen as a danger to women and children? Only that most pedophiles caught, are men | |||
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"No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us Of course no woman has ever molested or abused children! Sorry but bringing Children into this sort of a discussion only adds an additional and totally unnecessary emotive element. At the end of the day a minority of people, regardless of gender, race, religion or any other criteria are capable of horendous acts, both against our own species and all others. Surely that minority should not be used as a way to whip up emotions and hatred against any other part of society. Yes women do too But the majority of pedophiles, that we know of, are men. And they generally use their penis for that purpose But you are correct. That was not the issue under discussion here Are transgendered women who still have their penises a greater risk of being paedophiles than the rest of the population? Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve? My point is that i don't think a physical male who is not undergoing HRT should be allowed entry into a female changing area. More so if it is likely that children will be present. I'm not saying i think trans people are paedophiles. Im saying paedophiles and other sexual predators will exploit loop holes. Paedophiles could train to be teachers. Or nurses. Or police officers. Or social workers. Or any other profession that grants access to children. What do you plan we do about that? I would be willing to wager that more teachers are currently serving time for child abuse than transgendered folk. Are you as scared of teachers? It's ok to admit you were wrong. Who said that it was transgenderd folk? What has been said that it would be men pretending to be transgendered and gain access to areas where they shouldn't be allowed Why do you put worlds in other people's mouths? The problem is that one cannot distinguish between a man, who has a penis, pretending to be transsexual or between a transsexual with a penis He said that, it's even in the quoted text and by agreeing you are saying it by proxy. No he didn't; quote his complete comment again where he said that transsexuals are pedophiles "Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve?" Making the assumption that all transgendered are potentially abusers in disguise. That's a legitimate question which sees the bigger picture, not everybody is a sheep, there are wolves out there and you have to be aware of that. But the wolves are more likely to be elsewhere. Fear promoting discrimination. Please understand what the word 'discrimination' means Discrimination is when one person is treated better than the other in the same category. I do not treat men better or worse than any transsexual with a penis I fear you need to understand the meaning of the word. A transgendered woman is a woman. Penis or no penis. You are discriminating against her because of your small minded beliefs. " Actually you are delusional in thinking that a man with a penis is a woman. Other transsexuals may agree with you on this site. But believe you me, the world out there isn't THAT delusional. Whilst we will respect what you feel and treat you in most cases as the gender your think you are, flashing a penis around in a women's changing area won't win you many supporters | |||
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"Can I remind feminists of that next time they try to claim we live in a r@pe centric society? And it's 1 in 4 men doing it? You're back on that again? Wow, just wow." Unbelievable I have never heard anything like it. | |||
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"Do non-transsexual people have rights too? Or are these now exclusive to the TG folk?" You have the right to get changed in a same sex changing room with other women without the fear of being interfered with. Which kind of sounds just exactly what's been happening. | |||
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"If there was a prize for forcing narrowminded bigoted attitudes down some one's throat Josie you win hands down.What was that crap about men being seen as a danger to women and children? Maria Haters like her are a lot like crickets they.. make a lot of noise, you hear them but you don't see them and when you pass them they get quiet.. " Don't count on it. Some might remain quiet when a man enters a women's changing room. Others will complain bitterly, as most women in my gym did to the management only to be told that he has a GRC saying that he is a woman and that their hands are tied I wonder if I can get a GRC to perve in the men's changing room. Will save me the hassle of visiting swinger's clubs | |||
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"Actually you are delusional in thinking that a man with a penis is a woman. Other transsexuals may agree with you on this site. But believe you me, the world out there isn't THAT delusional. Whilst we will respect what you feel and treat you in most cases as the gender your think you are, flashing a penis around in a women's changing area won't win you many supporters" i will happily try and re educate each and every one of them. You never did answer if my good buddy could ever be classed as a man 'despite' his vagina? | |||
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"If there was a prize for forcing narrowminded bigoted attitudes down some one's throat Josie you win hands down.What was that crap about men being seen as a danger to women and children? Maria Haters like her are a lot like crickets they.. make a lot of noise, you hear them but you don't see them and when you pass them they get quiet.. Don't count on it. Some might remain quiet when a man enters a women's changing room. Others will complain bitterly, as most women in my gym did to the management only to be told that he has a GRC saying that he is a woman and that their hands are tied I wonder if I can get a GRC to perve in the men's changing room. Will save me the hassle of visiting swinger's clubs" Are you belittling the huge emotional turmoil that transitioners face? Seems a little crass. | |||
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"Do non-transsexual people have rights too? Or are these now exclusive to the TG folk? You have the right to get changed in a same sex changing room with other women without the fear of being interfered with. Which kind of sounds just exactly what's been happening. " But that same-sex changing room now has a man in there who doesn't even have the decency to not put his penis on display. If he is transitioning then until he is female, he could use one of the three private cubicles inside of the women's changing room, could he not? However, nobody can even say that to him because he has a bit of paper | |||
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"No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us Of course no woman has ever molested or abused children! Sorry but bringing Children into this sort of a discussion only adds an additional and totally unnecessary emotive element. At the end of the day a minority of people, regardless of gender, race, religion or any other criteria are capable of horendous acts, both against our own species and all others. Surely that minority should not be used as a way to whip up emotions and hatred against any other part of society. Yes women do too But the majority of pedophiles, that we know of, are men. And they generally use their penis for that purpose But you are correct. That was not the issue under discussion here Are transgendered women who still have their penises a greater risk of being paedophiles than the rest of the population? Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve? My point is that i don't think a physical male who is not undergoing HRT should be allowed entry into a female changing area. More so if it is likely that children will be present. I'm not saying i think trans people are paedophiles. Im saying paedophiles and other sexual predators will exploit loop holes. Paedophiles could train to be teachers. Or nurses. Or police officers. Or social workers. Or any other profession that grants access to children. What do you plan we do about that? I would be willing to wager that more teachers are currently serving time for child abuse than transgendered folk. Are you as scared of teachers? It's ok to admit you were wrong. Who said that it was transgenderd folk? What has been said that it would be men pretending to be transgendered and gain access to areas where they shouldn't be allowed Why do you put worlds in other people's mouths? The problem is that one cannot distinguish between a man, who has a penis, pretending to be transsexual or between a transsexual with a penis He said that, it's even in the quoted text and by agreeing you are saying it by proxy. No he didn't; quote his complete comment again where he said that transsexuals are pedophiles "Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve?" Making the assumption that all transgendered are potentially abusers in disguise. That's a legitimate question which sees the bigger picture, not everybody is a sheep, there are wolves out there and you have to be aware of that. But the wolves are more likely to be elsewhere. Fear promoting discrimination. Please understand what the word 'discrimination' means Discrimination is when one person is treated better than the other in the same category. I do not treat men better or worse than any transsexual with a penis I fear you need to understand the meaning of the word. A transgendered woman is a woman. Penis or no penis. You are discriminating against her because of your small minded beliefs. Actually you are delusional in thinking that a man with a penis is a woman. Other transsexuals may agree with you on this site. But believe you me, the world out there isn't THAT delusional. Whilst we will respect what you feel and treat you in most cases as the gender your think you are, flashing a penis around in a women's changing area won't win you many supporters" pathetic .I usually go to the ladies to pee .I have no intention of flashing anything around .I don't know what goes on in your world but perving and preying on women doesn't go on in mine .sometimes these threads go on a bit with utter claptrap from someone .this is heading that way unfortunately .I wouldn't judge you so do not judge the likes of me .you know nothing about us .I am a woman learn to deal with it pet or stay silent .have a nice day I know I will xxx.if you are worried about your kids I'd look more closely at the internet .there's loads of trolls on there | |||
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"Actually you are delusional in thinking that a man with a penis is a woman. Other transsexuals may agree with you on this site. But believe you me, the world out there isn't THAT delusional. Whilst we will respect what you feel and treat you in most cases as the gender your think you are, flashing a penis around in a women's changing area won't win you many supporters i will happily try and re educate each and every one of them. You never did answer if my good buddy could ever be classed as a man 'despite' his vagina? " I actually answered your question in detail I told you that I would not see him as male and neither would the vast majority of the mainstream world. I would treat him as male since that is what he wishes Now you will tell me that we are 'bigoted' because we don't agree with the TG world view | |||
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"Do non-transsexual people have rights too? Or are these now exclusive to the TG folk? You have the right to get changed in a same sex changing room with other women without the fear of being interfered with. Which kind of sounds just exactly what's been happening. But that same-sex changing room now has a man in there who doesn't even have the decency to not put his penis on display. If he is transitioning then until he is female, he could use one of the three private cubicles inside of the women's changing room, could he not? However, nobody can even say that to him because he has a bit of paper" Yes they can. That's how laws work. | |||
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"I wonder if I can get a GRC to perve in the men's changing room. " Go for it, give a try. They hand them out like sweeties...I got two last week! | |||
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"If there was a prize for forcing narrowminded bigoted attitudes down some one's throat Josie you win hands down.What was that crap about men being seen as a danger to women and children? Maria Haters like her are a lot like crickets they.. make a lot of noise, you hear them but you don't see them and when you pass them they get quiet.. Don't count on it. Some might remain quiet when a man enters a women's changing room. Others will complain bitterly, as most women in my gym did to the management only to be told that he has a GRC saying that he is a woman and that their hands are tied I wonder if I can get a GRC to perve in the men's changing room. Will save me the hassle of visiting swinger's clubs" I seriously think you need to take a long look in the mirror before you pass judgement on anyone else, because trust me, you ain't nothing special love! | |||
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"No, what is sickening is that a man can now pose as a woman and enter areas meant for women where we sometimes take our children with us Of course no woman has ever molested or abused children! Sorry but bringing Children into this sort of a discussion only adds an additional and totally unnecessary emotive element. At the end of the day a minority of people, regardless of gender, race, religion or any other criteria are capable of horendous acts, both against our own species and all others. Surely that minority should not be used as a way to whip up emotions and hatred against any other part of society. Yes women do too But the majority of pedophiles, that we know of, are men. And they generally use their penis for that purpose But you are correct. That was not the issue under discussion here Are transgendered women who still have their penises a greater risk of being paedophiles than the rest of the population? Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve? My point is that i don't think a physical male who is not undergoing HRT should be allowed entry into a female changing area. More so if it is likely that children will be present. I'm not saying i think trans people are paedophiles. Im saying paedophiles and other sexual predators will exploit loop holes. Paedophiles could train to be teachers. Or nurses. Or police officers. Or social workers. Or any other profession that grants access to children. What do you plan we do about that? I would be willing to wager that more teachers are currently serving time for child abuse than transgendered folk. Are you as scared of teachers? It's ok to admit you were wrong. Who said that it was transgenderd folk? What has been said that it would be men pretending to be transgendered and gain access to areas where they shouldn't be allowed Why do you put worlds in other people's mouths? The problem is that one cannot distinguish between a man, who has a penis, pretending to be transsexual or between a transsexual with a penis He said that, it's even in the quoted text and by agreeing you are saying it by proxy. No he didn't; quote his complete comment again where he said that transsexuals are pedophiles "Could paedophile men use transgender as a way of legally gaining entry to a place where they can mix with children in a state of undress? Or have paedophiles lost the ability to decieve?" Making the assumption that all transgendered are potentially abusers in disguise. That's a legitimate question which sees the bigger picture, not everybody is a sheep, there are wolves out there and you have to be aware of that. But the wolves are more likely to be elsewhere. Fear promoting discrimination. Please understand what the word 'discrimination' means Discrimination is when one person is treated better than the other in the same category. I do not treat men better or worse than any transsexual with a penis I fear you need to understand the meaning of the word. A transgendered woman is a woman. Penis or no penis. You are discriminating against her because of your small minded beliefs. Actually you are delusional in thinking that a man with a penis is a woman. Other transsexuals may agree with you on this site. But believe you me, the world out there isn't THAT delusional. Whilst we will respect what you feel and treat you in most cases as the gender your think you are, flashing a penis around in a women's changing area won't win you many supporterspathetic .I usually go to the ladies to pee .I have no intention of flashing anything around .I don't know what goes on in your world but perving and preying on women doesn't go on in mine .sometimes these threads go on a bit with utter claptrap from someone .this is heading that way unfortunately .I wouldn't judge you so do not judge the likes of me .you know nothing about us .I am a woman learn to deal with it pet or stay silent .have a nice day I know I will xxx.if you are worried about your kids I'd look more closely at the internet .there's loads of trolls on there " No, I won't stay silent when people tell me that night is day and that I should accept it I don't personally care which toilet cubicle you use. But I would care negatively if you start flashing your family jewels in a women's changing area when you could just as easily use one of the private cubicles in the same women's changing area I will care and support for your feelings and rights as long as you have the decency to care about mine The world doesn't owe TG folk a favour | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Do these trans paedos prefer little girls to little boys then? Don't mothers take their young sons into the female changing areas to? Yes, because it goes on the parents gender. "Why the scowl? Surely the mum wouldn't go by her son's gender and escort him into the gents? | |||
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"If there was a prize for forcing narrowminded bigoted attitudes down some one's throat Josie you win hands down.What was that crap about men being seen as a danger to women and children? Maria Haters like her are a lot like crickets they.. make a lot of noise, you hear them but you don't see them and when you pass them they get quiet.. Don't count on it. Some might remain quiet when a man enters a women's changing room. Others will complain bitterly, as most women in my gym did to the management only to be told that he has a GRC saying that he is a woman and that their hands are tied I wonder if I can get a GRC to perve in the men's changing room. Will save me the hassle of visiting swinger's clubs Are you belittling the huge emotional turmoil that transitioners face? Seems a little crass." | |||
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"Do non-transsexual people have rights too? Or are these now exclusive to the TG folk? You have the right to get changed in a same sex changing room with other women without the fear of being interfered with. Which kind of sounds just exactly what's been happening. But that same-sex changing room now has a man in there who doesn't even have the decency to not put his penis on display. If he is transitioning then until he is female, he could use one of the three private cubicles inside of the women's changing room, could he not? However, nobody can even say that to him because he has a bit of paper Yes they can. That's how laws work. " No, the law states the he is female even though he has all his male bits. The gym management therefore cannot suggest that he uses the private cubicles inside the women's changing area just as they couldn't suggest that of any other woman there But one would have hoped that he would be sensible enough to think of that himself. If he had, I doubt many women would have complained about his presence | |||
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"If there was a prize for forcing narrowminded bigoted attitudes down some one's throat Josie you win hands down.What was that crap about men being seen as a danger to women and children? Maria Haters like her are a lot like crickets they.. make a lot of noise, you hear them but you don't see them and when you pass them they get quiet.. Don't count on it. Some might remain quiet when a man enters a women's changing room. Others will complain bitterly, as most women in my gym did to the management only to be told that he has a GRC saying that he is a woman and that their hands are tied I wonder if I can get a GRC to perve in the men's changing room. Will save me the hassle of visiting swinger's clubs I seriously think you need to take a long look in the mirror before you pass judgement on anyone else, because trust me, you ain't nothing special love! " No 'love', I am nothing special And you are not a Woman Lets just agree on these basic irrefutable facts | |||
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"Do non-transsexual people have rights too? Or are these now exclusive to the TG folk? You have the right to get changed in a same sex changing room with other women without the fear of being interfered with. Which kind of sounds just exactly what's been happening. But that same-sex changing room now has a man in there who doesn't even have the decency to not put his penis on display. If he is transitioning then until he is female, he could use one of the three private cubicles inside of the women's changing room, could he not? However, nobody can even say that to him because he has a bit of paper Yes they can. That's how laws work. No, the law states the he is female even though he has all his male bits. The gym management therefore cannot suggest that he uses the private cubicles inside the women's changing area just as they couldn't suggest that of any other woman there But one would have hoped that he would be sensible enough to think of that himself. If he had, I doubt many women would have complained about his presence" You're just proving my point there. I think it's time you retire from this one, I just wish you'd learned something x | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Do these trans paedos prefer little girls to little boys then? Don't mothers take their young sons into the female changing areas to? Yes, because it goes on the parents gender.
Why the scowl?
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"If there was a prize for forcing narrowminded bigoted attitudes down some one's throat Josie you win hands down.What was that crap about men being seen as a danger to women and children? Maria Haters like her are a lot like crickets they.. make a lot of noise, you hear them but you don't see them and when you pass them they get quiet.. Don't count on it. Some might remain quiet when a man enters a women's changing room. Others will complain bitterly, as most women in my gym did to the management only to be told that he has a GRC saying that he is a woman and that their hands are tied I wonder if I can get a GRC to perve in the men's changing room. Will save me the hassle of visiting swinger's clubs I seriously think you need to take a long look in the mirror before you pass judgement on anyone else, because trust me, you ain't nothing special love! No 'love', I am nothing special And you are not a Woman Lets just agree on these basic irrefutable facts "Met miles more than you have love shows what not being a judgemental idiot does. | |||
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"If everyone thought like you did, we'd still have segregation in the US, apartheid in South Africa and women wouldn't be allowed to vote. Ahhh the good old days
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"If there was a prize for forcing narrowminded bigoted attitudes down some one's throat Josie you win hands down.What was that crap about men being seen as a danger to women and children? Maria Haters like her are a lot like crickets they.. make a lot of noise, you hear them but you don't see them and when you pass them they get quiet.. Don't count on it. Some might remain quiet when a man enters a women's changing room. Others will complain bitterly, as most women in my gym did to the management only to be told that he has a GRC saying that he is a woman and that their hands are tied I wonder if I can get a GRC to perve in the men's changing room. Will save me the hassle of visiting swinger's clubs I seriously think you need to take a long look in the mirror before you pass judgement on anyone else, because trust me, you ain't nothing special love! No 'love', I am nothing special And you are not a Woman Lets just agree on these basic irrefutable facts "What an ignorant hateful comment | |||
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"Do non-transsexual people have rights too? Or are these now exclusive to the TG folk? You have the right to get changed in a same sex changing room with other women without the fear of being interfered with. Which kind of sounds just exactly what's been happening. But that same-sex changing room now has a man in there who doesn't even have the decency to not put his penis on display. If he is transitioning then until he is female, he could use one of the three private cubicles inside of the women's changing room, could he not? However, nobody can even say that to him because he has a bit of paper Yes they can. That's how laws work. No, the law states the he is female even though he has all his male bits. The gym management therefore cannot suggest that he uses the private cubicles inside the women's changing area just as they couldn't suggest that of any other woman there But one would have hoped that he would be sensible enough to think of that himself. If he had, I doubt many women would have complained about his presence You're just proving my point there. I think it's time you retire from this one, I just wish you'd learned something x " What point is that? Is it that a man with a GRC is a woman? If that is the point you are making then I am afraid that we are poles apart in our way of thinking Yes, the law in this country says that he is a woman. Doesn't mean that I and the vast majority think so too. We respect the law but you cannot change people's mind with a piece of paper when they can clearly see that he isn't I also said that most sensible people do acknowledge that he is [ probably ] transitioning and with that in mind, he will soon, not in the too distant future hopefully will be female. And in the meantime, people are prepared to be flexible in not minding too much that he uses the women''s changing area But he doesn't seem to display the same level of flexibility by using the private cubicles until then. He has this bit of paper and it is his right to get starkers within a group of women Granted, some will not care too much. But judging from the number of complaints, many do He could have so easily avoided that. And now that he knows, he is still obstinate. That is how your community loose support. By the militant transsexuals forcing their own 'rights' over and above other people's sensible feelings when there is such an easy compromise available | |||
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"If there was a prize for forcing narrowminded bigoted attitudes down some one's throat Josie you win hands down.What was that crap about men being seen as a danger to women and children? Maria Haters like her are a lot like crickets they.. make a lot of noise, you hear them but you don't see them and when you pass them they get quiet.. Don't count on it. Some might remain quiet when a man enters a women's changing room. Others will complain bitterly, as most women in my gym did to the management only to be told that he has a GRC saying that he is a woman and that their hands are tied I wonder if I can get a GRC to perve in the men's changing room. Will save me the hassle of visiting swinger's clubs I seriously think you need to take a long look in the mirror before you pass judgement on anyone else, because trust me, you ain't nothing special love! No 'love', I am nothing special And you are not a Woman Lets just agree on these basic irrefutable facts
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"If there was a prize for forcing narrowminded bigoted attitudes down some one's throat Josie you win hands down.What was that crap about men being seen as a danger to women and children? Maria Haters like her are a lot like crickets they.. make a lot of noise, you hear them but you don't see them and when you pass them they get quiet.. Don't count on it. Some might remain quiet when a man enters a women's changing room. Others will complain bitterly, as most women in my gym did to the management only to be told that he has a GRC saying that he is a woman and that their hands are tied I wonder if I can get a GRC to perve in the men's changing room. Will save me the hassle of visiting swinger's clubs I seriously think you need to take a long look in the mirror before you pass judgement on anyone else, because trust me, you ain't nothing special love! No 'love', I am nothing special And you are not a Woman Lets just agree on these basic irrefutable facts
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As far as I can remember there have always been family changing rooms in swimming bathes.
I always use them. I am a mother of a 10 year old boy. I wouldn't allow him to use a male only changing room by himself, neither do I believe that he should be in a female only changing room.
I also believe in using a cubical and really hate it when people choose to just strip off and walk around naked in a swimming pool changing room, would they do that anywhere else? Regardless of gender, getting naked in a public place is indecent exposure even if it's a swimming bathes!!!
As for tg/ts, who gives a damn? They are people after all and does it matter where they go to the toilet or get changed? As long as it's done in cubicals!!
As for the suicide post above.... I think it's more than just where they can go to the toilet or get changed. That's trivialising the situation.
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"Wow this has spiralled in the last couple of hours?
As far as I can remember there have always been family changing rooms in swimming bathes.
I always use them. I am a mother of a 10 year old boy. I wouldn't allow him to use a male only changing room by himself, neither do I believe that he should be in a female only changing room.
I also believe in using a cubical and really hate it when people choose to just strip off and walk around naked in a swimming pool changing room, would they do that anywhere else? Regardless of gender, getting naked in a public place is indecent exposure even if it's a swimming bathes!!!
As for tg/ts, who gives a damn? They are people after all and does it matter where they go to the toilet or get changed? As long as it's done in cubicals!!
As for the suicide post above.... I think it's more than just where they can go to the toilet or get changed. That's trivialising the situation.
I've only ever come across one transgender (that I'm aware of) and unfortunately that was one troubled human being who attempted to take their life on more than one occasion "Of course its more than where to change, it's about how people refuse to accept that transgender is a thing. | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. Do these trans paedos prefer little girls to little boys then? Don't mothers take their young sons into the female changing areas to? Yes, because it goes on the parents gender.
Why the scowl?
Surely the mum wouldn't go by her son's gender and escort him into the gents?
H doesn't do swimming, our girls are 5&9, where do we go?
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"Wow this has spiralled in the last couple of hours?
As far as I can remember there have always been family changing rooms in swimming bathes.
I always use them. I am a mother of a 10 year old boy. I wouldn't allow him to use a male only changing room by himself, neither do I believe that he should be in a female only changing room.
I also believe in using a cubical and really hate it when people choose to just strip off and walk around naked in a swimming pool changing room, would they do that anywhere else? Regardless of gender, getting naked in a public place is indecent exposure even if it's a swimming bathes!!!
As for tg/ts, who gives a damn? They are people after all and does it matter where they go to the toilet or get changed? As long as it's done in cubicals!!
As for the suicide post above.... I think it's more than just where they can go to the toilet or get changed. That's trivialising the situation.
I've only ever come across one transgender (that I'm aware of) and unfortunately that was one troubled human being who attempted to take their life on more than one occasion "There are no cubicles in the male changing rooms in my swimming baths so we all have to swan around naked. That's normal in male facilities. Probably because most of us have no problems with letting it all hang out ?? | |||
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"Wow this has spiralled in the last couple of hours?
As far as I can remember there have always been family changing rooms in swimming bathes.
I always use them. I am a mother of a 10 year old boy. I wouldn't allow him to use a male only changing room by himself, neither do I believe that he should be in a female only changing room.
I also believe in using a cubical and really hate it when people choose to just strip off and walk around naked in a swimming pool changing room, would they do that anywhere else? Regardless of gender, getting naked in a public place is indecent exposure even if it's a swimming bathes!!!
As for tg/ts, who gives a damn? They are people after all and does it matter where they go to the toilet or get changed? As long as it's done in cubicals!!
As for the suicide post above.... I think it's more than just where they can go to the toilet or get changed. That's trivialising the situation.
I've only ever come across one transgender (that I'm aware of) and unfortunately that was one troubled human being who attempted to take their life on more than one occasion
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"If there was a prize for forcing narrowminded bigoted attitudes down some one's throat Josie you win hands down.What was that crap about men being seen as a danger to women and children? Maria Haters like her are a lot like crickets they.. make a lot of noise, you hear them but you don't see them and when you pass them they get quiet.. Don't count on it. Some might remain quiet when a man enters a women's changing room. Others will complain bitterly, as most women in my gym did to the management only to be told that he has a GRC saying that he is a woman and that their hands are tied I wonder if I can get a GRC to perve in the men's changing room. Will save me the hassle of visiting swinger's clubs I seriously think you need to take a long look in the mirror before you pass judgement on anyone else, because trust me, you ain't nothing special love! No 'love', I am nothing special And you are not a Woman Lets just agree on these basic irrefutable facts
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"All the people with their paedophile worries . You do realise that if someone wanted to abuse a child they could sneak into a changing room and pullbthat child into a cubicle and abuse that child while the mother was distracted ? I don't think rules generally stop criminals They could disguise themselves as a bin. i don't see bins being taken out of locker rooms. " | |||
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"Toilets with separate cubicles or changing areas with separate cubicles are a completely different matter than communal changing areas.What does it matter who is in the next cubicle? The door is closed,I can't see them they can't see me,it's not an issue but,changing and shower areas in gyms and sporting venues are more open,you could be sitting on a bench,naked next to another naked person. Could someone explain to me how I am supposed to feel comfortabole or safe in that situation if the naked stranger next to me has male genitalia? How do you tell that naked stranger is a Tv/Tg/Pre Op Ts person when they are naked? How many genuine Tg people have so little sense that they would not use a little discretion and go in a cubicle to change? Walking to the showers naked,with everything on display and claiming protection from a certificate is not very likely to warm public opinion to the Tg cause however,to discover eventually that the nice person in the gym who has been going there for years and never did anyone any harm,kept themselves to themselves was Tg all along,may help people to realise that Tg people are not monsters,rapists and child molesters." You do realise someone doesn't need to have male genitalia to sexually assault you ? | |||
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"Toilets with separate cubicles or changing areas with separate cubicles are a completely different matter than communal changing areas.What does it matter who is in the next cubicle? The door is closed,I can't see them they can't see me,it's not an issue but,changing and shower areas in gyms and sporting venues are more open,you could be sitting on a bench,naked next to another naked person. Could someone explain to me how I am supposed to feel comfortabole or safe in that situation if the naked stranger next to me has male genitalia? How do you tell that naked stranger is a Tv/Tg/Pre Op Ts person when they are naked? How many genuine Tg people have so little sense that they would not use a little discretion and go in a cubicle to change? Walking to the showers naked,with everything on display and claiming protection from a certificate is not very likely to warm public opinion to the Tg cause however,to discover eventually that the nice person in the gym who has been going there for years and never did anyone any harm,kept themselves to themselves was Tg all along,may help people to realise that Tg people are not monsters,rapists and child molesters. You do realise someone doesn't need to have male genitalia to sexually assault you ?" Or any genitalia at all for that fact | |||
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"Wow this has spiralled in the last couple of hours?
As far as I can remember there have always been family changing rooms in swimming bathes.
I always use them. I am a mother of a 10 year old boy. I wouldn't allow him to use a male only changing room by himself, neither do I believe that he should be in a female only changing room.
I also believe in using a cubical and really hate it when people choose to just strip off and walk around naked in a swimming pool changing room, would they do that anywhere else? Regardless of gender, getting naked in a public place is indecent exposure even if it's a swimming bathes!!!
As for tg/ts, who gives a damn? They are people after all and does it matter where they go to the toilet or get changed? As long as it's done in cubicals!!
As for the suicide post above.... I think it's more than just where they can go to the toilet or get changed. That's trivialising the situation.
I've only ever come across one transgender (that I'm aware of) and unfortunately that was one troubled human being who attempted to take their life on more than one occasion
Of course its more than where to change, it's about how people refuse to accept that transgender is a thing. ". Thats there choice in life, what do you propose to counter this, strapping them in chairs with matchsticks holding their eyes open while being forced to watch the crying game | |||
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"My concern is a man can say that he's now a woman. Then legally change in a female changing area of let's say a swimming pool. Where "she" could have access to children. " Did you really just compare being transgender to being a potential paedophile??? Seriously??!! | |||
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"Toilets with separate cubicles or changing areas with separate cubicles are a completely different matter than communal changing areas.What does it matter who is in the next cubicle? The door is closed,I can't see them they can't see me,it's not an issue but,changing and shower areas in gyms and sporting venues are more open,you could be sitting on a bench,naked next to another naked person. Could someone explain to me how I am supposed to feel comfortabole or safe in that situation if the naked stranger next to me has male genitalia? How do you tell that naked stranger is a Tv/Tg/Pre Op Ts person when they are naked? How many genuine Tg people have so little sense that they would not use a little discretion and go in a cubicle to change? Walking to the showers naked,with everything on display and claiming protection from a certificate is not very likely to warm public opinion to the Tg cause however,to discover eventually that the nice person in the gym who has been going there for years and never did anyone any harm,kept themselves to themselves was Tg all along,may help people to realise that Tg people are not monsters,rapists and child molesters. You do realise someone doesn't need to have male genitalia to sexually assault you ?" Yes,I realise that but it has no relevance.the issue is not about sexual assault,it is about privacy.If someone was that determined to assault people in changing rooms they hardly need to go to such elaborate lengths to disguise themselves. | |||
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"Wow this has spiralled in the last couple of hours?
As far as I can remember there have always been family changing rooms in swimming bathes.
I always use them. I am a mother of a 10 year old boy. I wouldn't allow him to use a male only changing room by himself, neither do I believe that he should be in a female only changing room.
I also believe in using a cubical and really hate it when people choose to just strip off and walk around naked in a swimming pool changing room, would they do that anywhere else? Regardless of gender, getting naked in a public place is indecent exposure even if it's a swimming bathes!!!
As for tg/ts, who gives a damn? They are people after all and does it matter where they go to the toilet or get changed? As long as it's done in cubicals!!
As for the suicide post above.... I think it's more than just where they can go to the toilet or get changed. That's trivialising the situation.
I've only ever come across one transgender (that I'm aware of) and unfortunately that was one troubled human being who attempted to take their life on more than one occasion
Of course its more than where to change, it's about how people refuse to accept that transgender is a thing. .
Thats there choice in life, what do you propose to counter this, strapping them in chairs with matchsticks holding their eyes open while being forced to watch the crying game "That film is probably transphobic | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 23/03/17 10:04:08] So for future reference If you wanna judge, get a law degree, in the mean time fuck off 
You bring the burn most beautifully
I do apologise but she is just a judgemental twisted piece of work. I
You are soooooo wrong
I have defended TG rights not just on these forums but in my workplace too. Not many non-transsexual women would take your struggle forward in the big-wide world at the risk of alienating themselves I don't NEED to either
Oh yeah, many will spout words in suppprt on these forums. But at the risk of blowing my own trumpet, not many will spend years forcing a public body to adopt TG friendly policies and then spend weeks of their time every year monitoring those changes
But you do need to change your delusional way of thinking"It's easy to sit back and judge when your not on the receiving end. How about we change that! What are you bothered about the gym changing rooms for? By the look of you you never make it past the chocolate vending machines. | |||
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"Oh and by the way,a G.R.C. is a gender recognition certificate not a Sex Recognition Certificate.When naked and exposed the certificate makes no difference to anything. We are often told that gender and sex are two separate issues well,damn right they are.Accepting and rejoicing in peoples rights to identify as they feel is best is one thing but,we all have an equal right to identify another person as we see them.A naked person in a changing room,with penis on display is unlikely to be identified as a woman by anyone other than herself." This is what puzzles me philosophically. Is gender identification completely subjective? If I feel like a woman does that make me a woman? And if it does if, as someone who has a white skin, I identify as a black person does that make me black? | |||
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"Wow this has spiralled in the last couple of hours?
As far as I can remember there have always been family changing rooms in swimming bathes.
I always use them. I am a mother of a 10 year old boy. I wouldn't allow him to use a male only changing room by himself, neither do I believe that he should be in a female only changing room.
I also believe in using a cubical and really hate it when people choose to just strip off and walk around naked in a swimming pool changing room, would they do that anywhere else? Regardless of gender, getting naked in a public place is indecent exposure even if it's a swimming bathes!!!
As for tg/ts, who gives a damn? They are people after all and does it matter where they go to the toilet or get changed? As long as it's done in cubicals!!
As for the suicide post above.... I think it's more than just where they can go to the toilet or get changed. That's trivialising the situation.
I've only ever come across one transgender (that I'm aware of) and unfortunately that was one troubled human being who attempted to take their life on more than one occasion
There are no cubicles in the male changing rooms in my swimming baths so we all have to swan around naked. That's normal in male facilities. Probably because most of us have no problems with letting it all hang out ?? "Well there damn well should be. It's not about "having a problem" with getting stark bollock naked and letting it all hang out. It's about decency in a public place. Would I get away with going into M&S to try on a new bra and getting my tits out in public? Why should it be any different in a gym/sports facilitiy?? People never heard of towels? Especially if children are about, anyone fancy signing the register because they exposed themselves to a minor in a changing room? | |||
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I'm more of a vending machine person than a running machine person too | |||
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"Toilets with separate cubicles or changing areas with separate cubicles are a completely different matter than communal changing areas.What does it matter who is in the next cubicle? The door is closed,I can't see them they can't see me,it's not an issue but,changing and shower areas in gyms and sporting venues are more open,you could be sitting on a bench,naked next to another naked person. Could someone explain to me how I am supposed to feel comfortabole or safe in that situation if the naked stranger next to me has male genitalia? How do you tell that naked stranger is a Tv/Tg/Pre Op Ts person when they are naked? How many genuine Tg people have so little sense that they would not use a little discretion and go in a cubicle to change? Walking to the showers naked,with everything on display and claiming protection from a certificate is not very likely to warm public opinion to the Tg cause however,to discover eventually that the nice person in the gym who has been going there for years and never did anyone any harm,kept themselves to themselves was Tg all along,may help people to realise that Tg people are not monsters,rapists and child molesters. You do realise someone doesn't need to have male genitalia to sexually assault you ? Yes,I realise that but it has no relevance.the issue is not about sexual assault,it is about privacy.If someone was that determined to assault people in changing rooms they hardly need to go to such elaborate lengths to disguise themselves." You said you wouldn't feel safe ? | |||
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