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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I've not heard the latest on today's events because I'd rather wait until the actual truth is reported than hours and hours of speculation and invasive pictures of a crime scene so I'll wait a bit longer but I've been wondering what actually makes an act of terror?
A guy mounted the pavement and mowed down several pedestrians...are the people of london more terrified of an extremist mowing them down than a d*unk or drugged driver doing the same? Are the police more terrified of being stabbed by an extremist than being stabbed by a gang member or even a football hooligan? Are we more terrified of a plane being brought down by an extremist than by a mechanical fault or an "act of god"?
All these things have the same outcome for the poor victims and their families but the media just love whipping us into a hysterical frenzy over something we as the public cannot possibly prevent.
Would the extremists lose some of their "power" if we refused to call them terrorists and just referred to them as deluded dickheads?
Or are we right to be terrified of the "enemy hiding in plain sight"?
Personally I'm no more terrified of them as I am of anything else that could kill me. If I end up dead I'm certain I will not be interested in the motives of the thing that killed me.
I'm not trying to belittle today's or previous events in any way it just winds me up how the media seem to treat us as puppets "be offended here, be terrified there, be angry at the world's injustice but only when we tell you to be"  |
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"My Ex Girlfriend is going to see Craig David at the O2 this weekend and she's scared stiff because of what's happened today.
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There was a woman here years ago that wouldn't let her children go into her local town because she was convinced they would become victims of an attack. |
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"My Ex Girlfriend is going to see Craig David at the O2 this weekend and she's scared stiff because of what's happened today.
There was a woman here years ago that wouldn't let her children go into her local town because she was convinced they would become victims of an attack."
I used to be like this myself when I was younger...until I was nearly killed by a sausage roll... kind of makes you realise you're not safe anywhere lol |
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"My Ex Girlfriend is going to see Craig David at the O2 this weekend and she's scared stiff because of what's happened today.
There was a woman here years ago that wouldn't let her children go into her local town because she was convinced they would become victims of an attack.
I used to be like this myself when I was younger...until I was nearly killed by a sausage roll... kind of makes you realise you're not safe anywhere lol"
Hmmm a home grown pastry incident, had it converted to a halal sausage roll? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"My Ex Girlfriend is going to see Craig David at the O2 this weekend and she's scared stiff because of what's happened today.
There was a woman here years ago that wouldn't let her children go into her local town because she was convinced they would become victims of an attack.
I used to be like this myself when I was younger...until I was nearly killed by a sausage roll... kind of makes you realise you're not safe anywhere lol
Hmmm a home grown pastry incident, had it converted to a halal sausage roll?"
Shit I never thought of that!
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm not terrified of them, and don't modify my behaviour because of them.
The huge difference in them and an accident, is the deliberate nature of killing of innocent people."
This, it's a legal definition to show the intent.. |
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"My Ex Girlfriend is going to see Craig David at the O2 this weekend and she's scared stiff because of what's happened today.
There was a woman here years ago that wouldn't let her children go into her local town because she was convinced they would become victims of an attack."
Having been through one bomb experience already in Warrington for years it bothered me and adjusted my behaviour as in being nervous around crowds and in town centres then I realised that it's what they wanted. There's nothing scarier than fear it's self. I refused to be a victim any longer. If we change our lives and stop doing what we want through fear of what could happen then they've won already..
That said going to see Craig David would scare me more than anything!!! |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Extremists feed on other people's fear, that's how they gain strength and the media is their biggest weapon."
Remaining on the news agenda is the biggest act of terror they inflict on us all.
OP, we naturally ascribe different emotions to the method of someone's death but, you are correct, the outcome is the same. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Let them do it. I dont watch the news and i wont Watch it either or read papers. Just get on with our lives let them waste their time on stupid things by killing ppl
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By (user no longer on site)
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I think the main difference is the ability for it to grow and spread.
Yes your just as likely to be run over but then its not as likely that the car will then run into a nuclear power station with a bomb or drop 50 tonnes of aluminium phosphate into your local reservoir.
Yes the actual crime is small proportionally? but it has the ability to become very larger from just one or two committed people |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It's the intent behind the act that makes it an act of terror.
Our desire for instant news means we're drip fed information, often incorrect & speculative. One area where quality over quantity should be applied. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've not heard the latest on today's events because I'd rather wait until the actual truth is reported than hours and hours of speculation and invasive pictures of a crime scene so I'll wait a bit longer but I've been wondering what actually makes an act of terror?
A guy mounted the pavement and mowed down several pedestrians...are the people of london more terrified of an extremist mowing them down than a d*unk or drugged driver doing the same? Are the police more terrified of being stabbed by an extremist than being stabbed by a gang member or even a football hooligan? Are we more terrified of a plane being brought down by an extremist than by a mechanical fault or an "act of god"?
All these things have the same outcome for the poor victims and their families but the media just love whipping us into a hysterical frenzy over something we as the public cannot possibly prevent.
Would the extremists lose some of their "power" if we refused to call them terrorists and just referred to them as deluded dickheads?
Or are we right to be terrified of the "enemy hiding in plain sight"?
Personally I'm no more terrified of them as I am of anything else that could kill me. If I end up dead I'm certain I will not be interested in the motives of the thing that killed me.
I'm not trying to belittle today's or previous events in any way it just winds me up how the media seem to treat us as puppets "be offended here, be terrified there, be angry at the world's injustice but only when we tell you to be" "
Totally agree.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's the intent behind the act that makes it an act of terror.
Our desire for instant news means we're drip fed information, often incorrect & speculative. One area where quality over quantity should be applied."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We have the ira bastard's here in Northern Ireland you kinda get used to hearing about some poor police officer and others getting killed and hurt.
It's ashame that anyone would kill and am really upset about the people left behind.
When my uncle was killed by the bastard's many years ago.
All he was doing was his job.
It took weeks for him to die. It tore apart the family.And we still hurting. And i never will forget the bastard.
And hearing about one of the bastard's being dead me me really happy.
So my thoughts go out to their families.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We have the ira bastard's here in Northern Ireland you kinda get used to hearing about some poor police officer and others getting killed and hurt.
It's ashame that anyone would kill and am really upset about the people left behind.
When my uncle was killed by the bastard's many years ago.
All he was doing was his job.
It took weeks for him to die. It tore apart the family.And we still hurting. And i never will forget the bastard.
And hearing about one of the bastard's being dead me me really happy.
So my thoughts go out to their families.
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Wasnt there a bomb up there today trying to kill police officers, thought i heard it on the radio? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We have the ira bastard's here in Northern Ireland you kinda get used to hearing about some poor police officer and others getting killed and hurt.
It's ashame that anyone would kill and am really upset about the people left behind.
When my uncle was killed by the bastard's many years ago.
All he was doing was his job.
It took weeks for him to die. It tore apart the family.And we still hurting. And i never will forget the bastard.
And hearing about one of the bastard's being dead me me really happy.
So my thoughts go out to their families.
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Wasnt there a bomb up there today trying to kill police officers, thought i heard it on the radio?"
yes last night around 8.30 in Strabane. Lucky no one killed. But only made news for 5 mins. Oh i forgot we at peace with the ira bastard's.
Don't want to upset anyone about a murderer dieing on Tues . |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There is (and has never been) a single definition of 'terrorism' in use worldwide.
The latest UK definition, from The Terrorism Act (2000), is readily available online and has been criticised for its ambiguity.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There is (and has never been) a single definition of 'terrorism' in use worldwide.
The latest UK definition, from The Terrorism Act (2000), is readily available online and has been criticised for its ambiguity.
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Is not, even! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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As a Londoner, this kind of thing doesn't make me the least bit worried. Terrorism is actually such a tiny, tiny fraction of a threat that I don't think we should let it influence our decision making one bit. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There is (and has never been) a single definition of 'terrorism' in use worldwide.
The latest UK definition, from The Terrorism Act (2000), is readily available online and has been criticised for its ambiguity.
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Maybe it's better for it not to be defined as the Terrorists have something to be defined by then. Somehow they'd get a kick out of meeting the definition. |
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It only serves to achieve its aim if your sadly unfortunate to be caught up in it or you choose to let it change how you live..
and that is what they want so apart from being vigilant which we have needed to be for several decades with one group or another, fuck em.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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if its going to happen it will happen..
I was working in Manchester when the IRA bomb went off so I know the level of fear and panic an act of terrorism can cause.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There is (and has never been) a single definition of 'terrorism' in use worldwide.
The latest UK definition, from The Terrorism Act (2000), is readily available online and has been criticised for its ambiguity.
Maybe it's better for it not to be defined as the Terrorists have something to be defined by then. Somehow they'd get a kick out of meeting the definition. "
To be honest, they'd be lucky if they could work out whether they were or not. Plus, you need a definition so that crimes that definitely aren't terrorism don't get prosecuted as such.
Definitions are there for protection from the state, not to facilitate it. Hence they'll do anything to avoid a detailed definition of state crime. |
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Of one thing I am convinced. There should be a law to bring in a "news blackout" for the first couple of hours at least after such a terror attack. That way, the emergency services can get on with their important jobs - and we may get some proper FACTS released appropriately at the right time. Many journalists are egotistical maniacs who sensationalise at every opportunity unfortunately. I'd rather have a senior police officer co-ordinating the investigation than pampering to journalist vermin by having to provide updates from the off (and I know you can't tar them all with the same brush). |
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Having spent my entire working career having to deal with terrorism, whether disarming explosive devices during my time in the forces and more recently training others in disposal and dems, I learnt at an early age what terrorism meant..
It meant fear.. The ability to affect others way of life.
It only takes one actual event to spawn the fear that another attack could happen and play upon that fear with hoaxes and disinformation..
We stand united and say "we won't let it affect us" but in truth it does and already has..
Britain has the most cctv in the world thanks to the threat from the IRA..
We can no longer take liquids on planes thanks to an Al Quaida plot..
In a few days, electronic devices larger than a phone will be excluded from cabin baggage.. Just imagine the fun that'll cause, I've seen people moaning when they have to dispose of nail clippers at airport security, what they gonna be like when asked to drop an ipad in the plastic contraband receptacles!!
Our civil liberties are slowly being eroded because of lawless acts of terror by others that do not agree with our freedom and way of life.
So terrorism doesn't mean anything about the human loss, as you say Op, it could have been a d*unk driver running people over; those are just the tragic but consequential losses in the act of terrorism... Terrorism is a wider loss of our way of life. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Of one thing I am convinced. There should be a law to bring in a "news blackout" for the first couple of hours at least after such a terror attack. That way, the emergency services can get on with their important jobs - and we may get some proper FACTS released appropriately at the right time. Many journalists are egotistical maniacs who sensationalise at every opportunity unfortunately. I'd rather have a senior police officer co-ordinating the investigation than pampering to journalist vermin by having to provide updates from the off (and I know you can't tar them all with the same brush)."
But then you'd get social media going mental and the police having a bigger job trying to keep a lid on that and dealing with the probable aftermath of a ton of hate crime being committed. Better you try and coordinate it through traditional press streams and how that some form of ethical code is still in partial place (wishful thinking with the majority of press outlets these days) |
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"Of one thing I am convinced. There should be a law to bring in a "news blackout" for the first couple of hours at least after such a terror attack. That way, the emergency services can get on with their important jobs - and we may get some proper FACTS released appropriately at the right time. Many journalists are egotistical maniacs who sensationalise at every opportunity unfortunately. I'd rather have a senior police officer co-ordinating the investigation than pampering to journalist vermin by having to provide updates from the off (and I know you can't tar them all with the same brush)."
thing is with modern media and nigh on everyone having the means to put stuff online there is no way a media outlet will sit back and not 'be there'..
its what they do and would be out of business pretty soon if they took that route..
i don't agree that they hinder any incident by reporting it and can in some cases put out appeals etc which has helped..
private citizens being 'ghouls' and pushing phones and camera's in the way is more of my own experience from some incidents.. |
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My frineds cousin was killed at Omagh
Another friend lost his father in the Birmingham pub bombings
Twice a year i have to complete terrorism awareness training following the Bataclan attack
Despite all that, I still consider those inside the gates of Westminster to be a bigger threat to me than some random crazy with a vague cause |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Having spent my entire working career having to deal with terrorism, whether disarming explosive devices during my time in the forces and more recently training others in disposal and dems, I learnt at an early age what terrorism meant..
It meant fear.. The ability to affect others way of life.
It only takes one actual event to spawn the fear that another attack could happen and play upon that fear with hoaxes and disinformation..
We stand united and say "we won't let it affect us" but in truth it does and already has..
Britain has the most cctv in the world thanks to the threat from the IRA..
We can no longer take liquids on planes thanks to an Al Quaida plot..
In a few days, electronic devices larger than a phone will be excluded from cabin baggage.. Just imagine the fun that'll cause, I've seen people moaning when they have to dispose of nail clippers at airport security, what they gonna be like when asked to drop an ipad in the plastic contraband receptacles!!
Our civil liberties are slowly being eroded because of lawless acts of terror by others that do not agree with our freedom and way of life.
So terrorism doesn't mean anything about the human loss, as you say Op, it could have been a d*unk driver running people over; those are just the tragic but consequential losses in the act of terrorism... Terrorism is a wider loss of our way of life."
Our civil liberties get eroded because society let's government have carte blanche to erode them whilst barely raising a whimper. The justification being that 'I don't do anything wrong so it doesn't affect me'; until you wake up one morning and the line has moved so far across that it DOES affect you.
You'd think that people living this lifestyle would understand the consequences of that, but it all too often appears not. |
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"Of one thing I am convinced. There should be a law to bring in a "news blackout" for the first couple of hours at least after such a terror attack. That way, the emergency services can get on with their important jobs - and we may get some proper FACTS released appropriately at the right time. Many journalists are egotistical maniacs who sensationalise at every opportunity unfortunately. I'd rather have a senior police officer co-ordinating the investigation than pampering to journalist vermin by having to provide updates from the off (and I know you can't tar them all with the same brush).
thing is with modern media and nigh on everyone having the means to put stuff online there is no way a media outlet will sit back and not 'be there'..
its what they do and would be out of business pretty soon if they took that route..
i don't agree that they hinder any incident by reporting it and can in some cases put out appeals etc which has helped..
private citizens being 'ghouls' and pushing phones and camera's in the way is more of my own experience from some incidents.."
The security services rely on information and their best source of information is us,the public..
If there is a media blackout then the public will be unaware and vital information that someone may have but not realised at the time will not be forthcoming..
Yes, I agree, images of injured and dead people are harrowing, but it is a small price to pay for the potential information feedback that could help prevent further events..
If todays attack had been a coordinated attack instead of a lone person, as soon as the news is reported, the public become more vigilant, more aware of what's going on around them. Should a subsequent attack be about to take place there may be a greater chance of its prevention.
We should embrace the fact that we are allowed this freedom of reporting as those that attack us would love to control that and remove that freedom from us. |
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Thank you OP. xx
Some good stories coming out of people rushing to help. Seems to be a 'you won't scare us' vibe going on after all such incidents. Hope... |
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"Of one thing I am convinced. There should be a law to bring in a "news blackout" for the first couple of hours at least after such a terror attack. That way, the emergency services can get on with their important jobs - and we may get some proper FACTS released appropriately at the right time. Many journalists are egotistical maniacs who sensationalise at every opportunity unfortunately. I'd rather have a senior police officer co-ordinating the investigation than pampering to journalist vermin by having to provide updates from the off (and I know you can't tar them all with the same brush).
thing is with modern media and nigh on everyone having the means to put stuff online there is no way a media outlet will sit back and not 'be there'..
its what they do and would be out of business pretty soon if they took that route..
i don't agree that they hinder any incident by reporting it and can in some cases put out appeals etc which has helped..
private citizens being 'ghouls' and pushing phones and camera's in the way is more of my own experience from some incidents..
The security services rely on information and their best source of information is us,the public..
If there is a media blackout then the public will be unaware and vital information that someone may have but not realised at the time will not be forthcoming..
Yes, I agree, images of injured and dead people are harrowing, but it is a small price to pay for the potential information feedback that could help prevent further events..
If todays attack had been a coordinated attack instead of a lone person, as soon as the news is reported, the public become more vigilant, more aware of what's going on around them. Should a subsequent attack be about to take place there may be a greater chance of its prevention.
We should embrace the fact that we are allowed this freedom of reporting as those that attack us would love to control that and remove that freedom from us."
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"Having spent my entire working career having to deal with terrorism, whether disarming explosive devices during my time in the forces and more recently training others in disposal and dems, I learnt at an early age what terrorism meant..
It meant fear.. The ability to affect others way of life.
It only takes one actual event to spawn the fear that another attack could happen and play upon that fear with hoaxes and disinformation..
We stand united and say "we won't let it affect us" but in truth it does and already has..
Britain has the most cctv in the world thanks to the threat from the IRA..
We can no longer take liquids on planes thanks to an Al Quaida plot..
In a few days, electronic devices larger than a phone will be excluded from cabin baggage.. Just imagine the fun that'll cause, I've seen people moaning when they have to dispose of nail clippers at airport security, what they gonna be like when asked to drop an ipad in the plastic contraband receptacles!!
Our civil liberties are slowly being eroded because of lawless acts of terror by others that do not agree with our freedom and way of life.
So terrorism doesn't mean anything about the human loss, as you say Op, it could have been a d*unk driver running people over; those are just the tragic but consequential losses in the act of terrorism... Terrorism is a wider loss of our way of life.
Our civil liberties get eroded because society let's government have carte blanche to erode them whilst barely raising a whimper. The justification being that 'I don't do anything wrong so it doesn't affect me'; until you wake up one morning and the line has moved so far across that it DOES affect you.
You'd think that people living this lifestyle would understand the consequences of that, but it all too often appears not."
It's nothing to do with carte blanche acts by governments.. You make it sound almost conspiracy theorist!!
Governments and security services do what they can to prevent harm to their citizens as they have a duty of care and it is cheaper to prevent then to deal with an aftermath..
Unfortunately, to prevent an unknown and hidden terror, everyone has to be treated as a potential terrorist until it is proven they are not.
Improved identification, scanning of bags in public buildings, monitoring of voice and data for certain strings of words..
These things are all done to protect us but ultimately delay us and inconvenience us in our busy lives..
When the number of potential attacks on the UK mainland that were prevented last year finally gets published, which should be some time soon, perhaps people really will sit up and take notice and accept that our government and security services are actually acting in our best intrests. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"That guy is /was the worst terrorist in Islamic history 
Eh?
He didn't do a very good job did he?
That's why he's a shit terrorist "
So killing 4 innocent people going about their daily business isnt doing a good job then?. |
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I've been around nombs and not too bothered. But today's did seem a lot of bother, for not that much that happened compared to so many other atrocities. But I've been out all day and not fully aware of all the info. |
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"Having spent my entire working career having to deal with terrorism, whether disarming explosive devices during my time in the forces and more recently training others in disposal and dems, I learnt at an early age what terrorism meant..
It meant fear.. The ability to affect others way of life.
It only takes one actual event to spawn the fear that another attack could happen and play upon that fear with hoaxes and disinformation..
We stand united and say "we won't let it affect us" but in truth it does and already has..
Britain has the most cctv in the world thanks to the threat from the IRA..
We can no longer take liquids on planes thanks to an Al Quaida plot..
In a few days, electronic devices larger than a phone will be excluded from cabin baggage.. Just imagine the fun that'll cause, I've seen people moaning when they have to dispose of nail clippers at airport security, what they gonna be like when asked to drop an ipad in the plastic contraband receptacles!!
Our civil liberties are slowly being eroded because of lawless acts of terror by others that do not agree with our freedom and way of life.
So terrorism doesn't mean anything about the human loss, as you say Op, it could have been a d*unk driver running people over; those are just the tragic but consequential losses in the act of terrorism... Terrorism is a wider loss of our way of life.
Our civil liberties get eroded because society let's government have carte blanche to erode them whilst barely raising a whimper. The justification being that 'I don't do anything wrong so it doesn't affect me'; until you wake up one morning and the line has moved so far across that it DOES affect you.
You'd think that people living this lifestyle would understand the consequences of that, but it all too often appears not.
It's nothing to do with carte blanche acts by governments.. You make it sound almost conspiracy theorist!!
Governments and security services do what they can to prevent harm to their citizens as they have a duty of care and it is cheaper to prevent then to deal with an aftermath..
Unfortunately, to prevent an unknown and hidden terror, everyone has to be treated as a potential terrorist until it is proven they are not.
Improved identification, scanning of bags in public buildings, monitoring of voice and data for certain strings of words..
These things are all done to protect us but ultimately delay us and inconvenience us in our busy lives..
When the number of potential attacks on the UK mainland that were prevented last year finally gets published, which should be some time soon, perhaps people really will sit up and take notice and accept that our government and security services are actually acting in our best intrests."
I don't disagree with what you're saying about some of the measures in place, however, civil liberties being eroded is by no means a conspiracy theory. The last Labour government created over 3500 new laws, very few of which have been repealed by this government. If criminalisation on that level isn't an erosion of civil liberties, I don't know what is. And that's before we even get onto Theresa May's new surveillance laws.
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"I've been around nombs and not too bothered. But today's did seem a lot of bother, for not that much that happened compared to so many other atrocities. But I've been out all day and not fully aware of all the info. "
you clearly don't know all the facts. OP I'd say what defines a terrorist act is something that makes you change your way of life, Londoners cope amazingly with these attacks in my opinion.
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it occurred to me while watching the news repeat itself endlessly. There was no threat of this person getting anywhere near the MP's this was an attack on citizens.
But if they reported all citizens injured or killed in London today, wouldn't that devalue this public act of violence, destroy terrorist acts with perspective? |
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The guy was never going to get near an MP, but the mere fact of how close he got to the building is enough to instill terror, it's impossible to deal with a lone guy who launches this type of attack, just impossible |
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"I've not heard the latest on today's events because I'd rather wait until the actual truth is reported than hours and hours of speculation and invasive pictures of a crime scene so I'll wait a bit longer but I've been wondering what actually makes an act of terror?
A guy mounted the pavement and mowed down several pedestrians...are the people of london more terrified of an extremist mowing them down than a d*unk or drugged driver doing the same? Are the police more terrified of being stabbed by an extremist than being stabbed by a gang member or even a football hooligan? Are we more terrified of a plane being brought down by an extremist than by a mechanical fault or an "act of god"?
All these things have the same outcome for the poor victims and their families but the media just love whipping us into a hysterical frenzy over something we as the public cannot possibly prevent.
Would the extremists lose some of their "power" if we refused to call them terrorists and just referred to them as deluded dickheads?
Or are we right to be terrified of the "enemy hiding in plain sight"?
Personally I'm no more terrified of them as I am of anything else that could kill me. If I end up dead I'm certain I will not be interested in the motives of the thing that killed me.
I'm not trying to belittle today's or previous events in any way it just winds me up how the media seem to treat us as puppets "be offended here, be terrified there, be angry at the world's injustice but only when we tell you to be" "
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My son rang his dad to say he was alive dnt worry. As he works and lives in London. I was a little worried bout him been hurt but I dnt think a about it every day. He's got a life to live. Marie z |
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"That guy is /was the worst terrorist in Islamic history
Eh?
He didn't do a very good job did he?
That's why he's a shit terrorist
So killing 4 innocent people going about their daily business isnt doing a good job then?. "
4 is he even a terrorist - shit cunt |
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"it occurred to me while watching the news repeat itself endlessly. There was no threat of this person getting anywhere near the MP's this was an attack on citizens."
It always is- we're the easy targets.
Those who make the decisions to start wars, invade other lands, dictate about democracy elsewhere or facilitate big business asset stripping the resources of someone elses home are usually very quick to set themselves up with protection at our expense.
They're quite happy to do things on our behalf, usually ignoring any protestation- then leave us to be the targets of retribution, let theire media friends stir up fear while telling us how they'll do their best to protect us all.
I've spent my entire life with some sort of terrorist threat lurking in the background. Any time you delve deep enough in to any threat, it always comes back to some sort of shoddy behaviour by the powers that be  |
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After a night to reflect on the awful events of yesterday, we can take some comfort in that it was a small and poorly conceived attack.
I suspect that the terrorist aspired for much more..
He may have wanted to take a gun not a knife.
He may have wanted to wear an explosive vest or fill the car with explosives..
He may even have wanted to detonate a "dirty bomb"....
Imagine what the news reports could have been? Hundreds dead, the entire west end being closed due to radioactive contamination, millions may die in the future due to the effects of radioactive dust drifting across London..
Those are the kind of news reports we could have faced had it not been for controls, laws and surveillance being in place..
Yes our civil liberties are slowing being eroded but we are safe..
Today my thoughts are with the family of Pc Keith Palmer along with the others that died needlessly yesterday...
Today we mourn their loss. |
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By *aggersMan
over a year ago
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"I've not heard the latest on today's events because I'd rather wait until the actual truth is reported than hours and hours of speculation and invasive pictures of a crime scene so I'll wait a bit longer but I've been wondering what actually makes an act of terror?
A guy mounted the pavement and mowed down several pedestrians...are the people of london more terrified of an extremist mowing them down than a d*unk or drugged driver doing the same? Are the police more terrified of being stabbed by an extremist than being stabbed by a gang member or even a football hooligan? Are we more terrified of a plane being brought down by an extremist than by a mechanical fault or an "act of god"?
All these things have the same outcome for the poor victims and their families but the media just love whipping us into a hysterical frenzy over something we as the public cannot possibly prevent.
Would the extremists lose some of their "power" if we refused to call them terrorists and just referred to them as deluded dickheads?
Or are we right to be terrified of the "enemy hiding in plain sight"?
Personally I'm no more terrified of them as I am of anything else that could kill me. If I end up dead I'm certain I will not be interested in the motives of the thing that killed me.
I'm not trying to belittle today's or previous events in any way it just winds me up how the media seem to treat us as puppets "be offended here, be terrified there, be angry at the world's injustice but only when we tell you to be" "
Great post op I like your thinking in my eyes it becomes an act of terrorism when multiple attacks happen within a short amount of time these are clearly planned where as a gang member stabbing a police officer would be a one off .. mechanical fault on a plane act of god ! |
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"I've not heard the latest on today's events because I'd rather wait until the actual truth is reported than hours and hours of speculation and invasive pictures of a crime scene so I'll wait a bit longer but I've been wondering what actually makes an act of terror?
A guy mounted the pavement and mowed down several pedestrians...are the people of london more terrified of an extremist mowing them down than a d*unk or drugged driver doing the same? Are the police more terrified of being stabbed by an extremist than being stabbed by a gang member or even a football hooligan? Are we more terrified of a plane being brought down by an extremist than by a mechanical fault or an "act of god"?
All these things have the same outcome for the poor victims and their families but the media just love whipping us into a hysterical frenzy over something we as the public cannot possibly prevent.
Would the extremists lose some of their "power" if we refused to call them terrorists and just referred to them as deluded dickheads?
Or are we right to be terrified of the "enemy hiding in plain sight"?
Personally I'm no more terrified of them as I am of anything else that could kill me. If I end up dead I'm certain I will not be interested in the motives of the thing that killed me.
I'm not trying to belittle today's or previous events in any way it just winds me up how the media seem to treat us as puppets "be offended here, be terrified there, be angry at the world's injustice but only when we tell you to be" "
I am of the age as are many others, I grew up in the times of the troubles in Ireland and mainland UK.
Worked at Heathrow and central London during these day's. Was very close to two bombs going off in different locations.
Back then it was a weekly almost daily occurrence, times have changed but the method and principal is the same. Strike terror and fear, but now as then.
We pick ourselves up and get on with it.
We cannot hide in fear of cowards who hide behind a veil of ignorance.
Very good post OP and we'll said.
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"We have the terrorism act 2000 for a clear definition. As usual it can be found on tinterweb or in brief on wiki. "
I mentioned it last night on this thread (and why it needs to exist) but the "mom's apple pie" version is far more emotive. |
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"Thank you OP. xx
Some good stories coming out of people rushing to help. Seems to be a 'you won't scare us' vibe going on after all such incidents. Hope..."
It's certainly not changing what I do with my life. Attended a gig last year that I found out 2 months later that it had been a suicide bomber's target but the cops had picked the guy up a week or two before. Will be back at the same venue this summer. |
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What always amazes me after these (relatively rare) events is the amount of fear they generate.
Yes, some of it does come from the media hype, but by no means all. It is the malicious nature of it that hits people's heads I think.
But we actually forget all the other random things that are more likely to kill us every day.
I was looking at a statistics page earlier today, and the guy was trying to put into perspective how unlikely it is to be killed by terrorism...
So, you have twice the chances of becoming an astronaut then flying in a plane doomed to crash due to a terrorist plot, almost the same chances of becoming a president than dying in a terrorist attack (isn’t it ironic?), three times more likely to sight a UFO today, 14 times more likely to win a gold medal in the Olympics, and 106 times more chances of dating Kim Kardashian.
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This fear thing is just a load of bollocks, ive not seen anybody going about their daily life in fear of terrorism, hell if it were remotely true that one or two acts of terrorism could grind the UK to halt through fear i wonder how the hell we managed to get through the 70s80s and 90s with dozens of times more IRA terrorism than today? Everybody still went to discos , shopping, work, planes and trains, sure they double checked the odd left abandoned bag but thats just common sense, it dont mean your living your life in fear.
Every time something happens you get the same old guff from both sides, everybody hold hands no no no everybody fear Muslims no no no dont we need to hug, no no no the only solution is to deport them no no no love trumps hate .
The vast majority of everybody else couldnt give two shits, its j just a talking point for their coffee break no different than yesterdays rain, look out of your windows, everybody is just going about their day |
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And another thing lets stop with this religion of peace/religion of death cult bollocks.
Its neither, there are no religions of peace, there what people make of them, you can be an atheist saint or a religious one or you can be a religious dick and an atheist one, however belief is not always the greatest thing to lead your life by, getting a dick to do dickish things is easy enough getting a nice person to do dickish things takes belief and servitude and thats how religion comes in handy for the trouble makers because they all have belief and servitude at the heart of them |
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Not terrified of things like this if its going to happen to us it probably be over before we knew it, I can see why people do get terrified as britain today is that multi cultrual and most terroist atracks over here are from british citizens, when we lived in walsall the people practically next door got raided and arrested for terrorism, didnt bother me I looked at it as we pretty safe as they not likely to turn on fellow muslims, and the area was predominantly muslim based |
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"Having spent my entire working career having to deal with terrorism, whether disarming explosive devices during my time in the forces and more recently training others in disposal and dems, I learnt at an early age what terrorism meant..
It meant fear.. The ability to affect others way of life.
It only takes one actual event to spawn the fear that another attack could happen and play upon that fear with hoaxes and disinformation..
We stand united and say "we won't let it affect us" but in truth it does and already has..
Britain has the most cctv in the world thanks to the threat from the IRA..
We can no longer take liquids on planes thanks to an Al Quaida plot..
In a few days, electronic devices larger than a phone will be excluded from cabin baggage.. Just imagine the fun that'll cause, I've seen people moaning when they have to dispose of nail clippers at airport security, what they gonna be like when asked to drop an ipad in the plastic contraband receptacles!!
Our civil liberties are slowly being eroded because of lawless acts of terror by others that do not agree with our freedom and way of life.
So terrorism doesn't mean anything about the human loss, as you say Op, it could have been a d*unk driver running people over; those are just the tragic but consequential losses in the act of terrorism... Terrorism is a wider loss of our way of life.
Our civil liberties get eroded because society let's government have carte blanche to erode them whilst barely raising a whimper. The justification being that 'I don't do anything wrong so it doesn't affect me'; until you wake up one morning and the line has moved so far across that it DOES affect you.
You'd think that people living this lifestyle would understand the consequences of that, but it all too often appears not."
Sorry but that's absolute bull shit!
The worse that can happen here is that someone you don't to want might see your cock/pussy or find out your a swinger/fuck random people. If 'civil liberty' means that much to you stop using mobile devices and go back to hunting pampas grass and looking in the back of razzle for meets. Have seen what I seen as a 14 year old kid I couldn't give two fucks if someone at GCHQ seen every post, pic pussy and cock shot I've ever sent or received if it means that it saves the life of just one man woman or child!
The IRA and These Islamist fundamental fucks are two completely different beasts! The IRA, as much as they could and considered, went for what they considered legitimate military target such as soldier political figure and Police. Their bombing campaign on the main land was to disrupt infrastructure as much as possible hence coded messages, they fucked up the codes message for Warrington hence we were all still there blissfully unaware till the first bomb went off. Now thatcher said "we will never negotiate with terrorists" but the option was there and after Warrington and the death of two kids that's exactly and directly what started!
These Islamist fuckers want to KILL as many innocent people as they can they have no political ajenda and no desire to negotiate. If we don't use every singe weapon of survalence against these cunts we will have further more atrocious incidents. Fuck me if you're so worried about a spook seeing a pic of your cock the don't post em online! |
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Op you are so right, the media gives a platform to the terrorists. I have often thought these things should be less visible in the media as all we do is place them on a platform to be viewed by other potential extremists!!
Problem is it is impossible for media outlets to control things because of social media!!!
Ps same goes for sausage rolls!! |
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Front page of the sun shows two medics battle to save a dying terrorist who killed three people yesterday. Britain are too civilised. Me personally coudnt do that. I would be trying to save those he shot and NOT he who was responsible. |
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"Front page of the sun shows two medics battle to save a dying terrorist who killed three people yesterday. Britain are too civilised. Me personally coudnt do that. I would be trying to save those he shot and NOT he who was responsible."
Save him and you get the chance to gain some intelligence. And he didn't shoot anyone |
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"Front page of the sun shows two medics battle to save a dying terrorist who killed three people yesterday. Britain are too civilised. Me personally coudnt do that. I would be trying to save those he shot and NOT he who was responsible."
They did attend to the shot policeman first. |
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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago
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"I've not heard the latest on today's events because I'd rather wait until the actual truth is reported than hours and hours of speculation and invasive pictures of a crime scene so I'll wait a bit longer but I've been wondering what actually makes an act of terror?
A guy mounted the pavement and mowed down several pedestrians...are the people of london more terrified of an extremist mowing them down than a d*unk or drugged driver doing the same? Are the police more terrified of being stabbed by an extremist than being stabbed by a gang member or even a football hooligan? Are we more terrified of a plane being brought down by an extremist than by a mechanical fault or an "act of god"?
All these things have the same outcome for the poor victims and their families but the media just love whipping us into a hysterical frenzy over something we as the public cannot possibly prevent.
Would the extremists lose some of their "power" if we refused to call them terrorists and just referred to them as deluded dickheads?
Or are we right to be terrified of the "enemy hiding in plain sight"?
Personally I'm no more terrified of them as I am of anything else that could kill me. If I end up dead I'm certain I will not be interested in the motives of the thing that killed me.
I'm not trying to belittle today's or previous events in any way it just winds me up how the media seem to treat us as puppets "be offended here, be terrified there, be angry at the world's injustice but only when we tell you to be" "
An Act of Terror is a predetermined act designed to cause fear in others and is often politically motivated.
We would say yes people are more terrified of those examples because the person or people is intentionally trying to kill or maim those he/she is attacking.
In the case of a d*unk driver or even a drugged driver the victims are not targeted and in many cases will have the chance to escape, when attacked by a person intent on harming them they will have less chance to escape.
Obviously if you are dead you would not be concerned but what if your children were the target or your parents would you feel the same?
I have had people close to me killed in accidents and a person close to me murdered and I know how I feel about the difference.
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