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Martin McGuinness has Died

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Not sure what I think really. Listening to Colin Parry who's son Tim was killed in the Manchester bombing, he said you can't forgive or forget the man he was but you can respect the man he became.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Maybe i should keep my mouth shut on this one

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The man deserves no respect

Apologies for anyone I've offended, but he was a terrorist

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What he did in his later life cannot make up for what he did in his younger life.

My family are from the Republic and were mainly pro IRA after things that the British did to our family years ago.

Personally, I cannot condone violent protest.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ps love the yoga pants

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There will be very split opinions on this. I'll just say this news it hasn't affected my day.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's certainly brightened up a dreary day

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Other than saying I did two tours in NI. One in Londonderry I won't comment.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Other than saying I did two tours in NI. One in Londonderry I won't comment."

You dont have to

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Good. Hope it was painful. He was a vile man

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Alan partridge:

"Gerry Adams looks like a deputy headmaster and Martin McGuinness looks like a clown without make-up."

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By *lay 4 uMan over a year ago

bolton

He's were he belongs *??

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By *omez42Man over a year ago

gloucester

Oh dear, 'ow sad, never mind.

Brightened my day up.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My Dad was in the forces during the 70's and early 80's.

I think this is one of those times when I pay heed to lesson he taught me about when you have nothing nice say, say nothing at all.

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By *ob nice but domMan over a year ago

PAISLEY

Hell has a new member.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan over a year ago

Lucan

I can see the history of what your empire did wasn't a favourite subject for many.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mr69: Hey up MM, good riddance.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan over a year ago

Lucan

"Mr69: Hey up MM, good riddance."

To be fair I said the same when your hero Thatcher died.

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple over a year ago

Falkirk

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

Did anyone else hear the radio 2 news at 7?

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By *andytownMan over a year ago

Gods Own Country

How appropriate ...

#MartinMcGuinness

I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure.

Mark Twain

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Small loss

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Mr69: Hey up MM, good riddance.

To be fair I said the same when your hero Thatcher died. "

Come on MM, heroine please.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan over a year ago

Lucan

"Mr69: Hey up MM, good riddance.

To be fair I said the same when your hero Thatcher died.

Come on MM, heroine please. "

I was never 100% sure

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not sure what I think really. Listening to Colin Parry who's son Tim was killed in the Manchester bombing, he said you can't forgive or forget the man he was but you can respect the man he became.

I agree with this.

I don't rejoice in anybody dying. However, you can't deny the man's past.

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By *layer oneMan over a year ago

mirfield

My mates dad was shot in the head by the IRA for being a English teacher in Ireland many years ago and when it happened he was holding his dads hand walking across the school yard. So ask his victims did they get a chance at life as he did .. burn in hell I say

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter,being British i have to say good riddance, just because he done some good later in his life,his past cannot be forgiven,saville is the prime example of that,no one forgives that bastard,hopefully gerry adams will be next.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've never wished a man dead but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure."

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By *exmark12Man over a year ago

Rathcoole/Roscommon/Mayo

He admitted what he did in his past but made a sizemic change to bring peace over last 20 years.Many in UK mainland did not know what was done by the authorities to the minority community in northern Ireland.Many of that tradition now understand that wrongs were done.The forces who were sent there to enforce the wrongs are victims.Please understand.I was never a supporter of what was happening but can understand from my many friends on all sides the tragedy of the past.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. There are many who had the same feelings towards Mandela.

Never approved of what he did in his early life, but he was also a key player in the peace. No worse than many, killed a lot less than any UK prime minister in living memory.

So without approval for his younger life, RIP is still due.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan over a year ago

Lucan

"My mates dad was shot in the head by the IRA for being a English teacher in Ireland many years ago and when it happened he was holding his dads hand walking across the school yard. So ask his victims did they get a chance at life as he did .. burn in hell I say "

We can swap lists of victims if you want? I understand why so many of you over there would hate him and I'd be suspicious of him if you didn't. What is appalling though is the lack of understanding of what actually created the man that Martin McGuinness became. It's easy enough to find that info but I suppose it's easier still to blame a man who was a reaction to the cause than to recognise the cause itself.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Oh well!!!

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By *ungdublinguyMan over a year ago

Dublin/Leitrim

There's a politics sub forum, is this really to place for sectarian shit stirring and gloating over a man's death.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Blimey, I can taste blood.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Mr69: Hey up MM, good riddance.

To be fair I said the same when your hero Thatcher died.

Come on MM, heroine please.

But she never murdered anyone

I was never 100% sure

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *etmebeurfantasyWoman over a year ago

My town

"Mr69: Hey up MM, good riddance.

To be fair I said the same when your hero Thatcher died.

Come on MM, heroine please.

I was never 100% sure

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lol Thatcher was neither

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By *al2001Man over a year ago

kildare

Rip martin

Because of people like him and gerry Adams we live in peace now

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Read a book called 'Talking to Terrorists' by Peter Taylor and you'll get a better understanding of what MM did in his early life, and more importantly, why he get he had to. And the non-violent influence he had on what NI would become leading up to and post the Good Friday Agreement.

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By *j47Man over a year ago

limerick

"Mr69: Hey up MM, good riddance.

To be fair I said the same when your hero Thatcher died.

Come on MM, heroine please.

But she never murdered anyone

I was never 100% sure

No but her agents certainly did

Let's not forget those on both sides and let those that live help shape and mould a better place for all of us to live in peace

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I didn't agree with his politics and his past makes me sick however I recognise the change he made and acknowledge that part he played in bringing peace to my part of the world.

Some of the comments here are misguided at best and vile at worst.

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By *cduck and Blue eyesCouple over a year ago

nr chester

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That should read she never murdered anyone

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That should read she never murdered anyone"

Fucked more miners then Saville though

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By *ENGUYMan over a year ago

Hull

"I didn't agree with his politics and his past makes me sick however I recognise the change he made and acknowledge that part he played in bringing peace to my part of the world.

Some of the comments here are misguided at best and vile at worst."

Best, most dignified comment so far!

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

All sides have blood on their hands in the conflicts, it was a dirty war and many innocents lost their lives on all sides..

The current situation is preferable..

I think a lot of people in this country know little or choose to ignore that the historical oppression of how the people in Ireland have been treated sowed the seeds of which led to the conflict..

Did 2 tours in the 70's and knew what my duty was at the time but won't gloat over a man's death..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I didn't agree with his politics and his past makes me sick however I recognise the change he made and acknowledge that part he played in bringing peace to my part of the world.

Some of the comments here are misguided at best and vile at worst."
I think lots of people have their reasons for their'vile'comments.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan over a year ago

Lucan

"All sides have blood on their hands in the conflicts, it was a dirty war and many innocents lost their lives on all sides..

The current situation is preferable..

I think a lot of people in this country know little or choose to ignore that the historical oppression of how the people in Ireland have been treated sowed the seeds of which led to the conflict..

Did 2 tours in the 70's and knew what my duty was at the time but won't gloat over a man's death.."

Well said.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Far too much gushing back slapping going on on morning news programs.

The man may have been a useful politician

(i cant use the word great here)in later life,but is also guilty of instigating and being in control of terrorist atrocities...he was hardly a reformed drug dealer who now lectures kids about what prison life is like!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"All sides have blood on their hands in the conflicts, it was a dirty war and many innocents lost their lives on all sides..

The current situation is preferable..

I think a lot of people in this country know little or choose to ignore that the historical oppression of how the people in Ireland have been treated sowed the seeds of which led to the conflict..

Did 2 tours in the 70's and knew what my duty was at the time but won't gloat over a man's death.."

Very well said

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Cheered my day up.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The man deserves no respect

Apologies for anyone I've offended, but he was a terrorist "
was going to say that and have a party

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By *.1079Man over a year ago

caistor

Couldn't of happened to a nice man. Where he belongs, the world is a better place today

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Rip martin

Because of people like him and gerry Adams we live in peace now"
bastard's the two of them burn in hell

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Martin Mc Guinness the young man, should be judged through the prism of 1960 growing up in the Bog Side

The rights and wrongs are only debated by the very safe.

No one in the Irish conflict are blameless

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

how very smug of people here gloating at the death of a man who was un bowed unbroken and never backpedalled from his beliefs that an occupied ireland and a marginalised people who never asked for british occupation had rights the same as everyone else.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not surprised by this reaction.Most ppl only following the crowd. Plenty probably lined the streets tho when that CUNT Thatcher died.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"how very smug of people here gloating at the death of a man who was un bowed unbroken and never backpedalled from his beliefs that an occupied ireland and a marginalised people who never asked for british occupation had rights the same as everyone else."
are you fnuts occupied we part of the UK and him and the rest of his so called people can piss off and get out of our country if they don't want to be here clear of.

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By *j47Man over a year ago

limerick

"All sides have blood on their hands in the conflicts, it was a dirty war and many innocents lost their lives on all sides..

The current situation is preferable..

I think a lot of people in this country know little or choose to ignore that the historical oppression of how the people in Ireland have been treated sowed the seeds of which led to the conflict..

Did 2 tours in the 70's and knew what my duty was at the time but won't gloat over a man's death.."

I tip my hat to u sir

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By *orwegian BlueMan over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

I don't believe in heaven and hell but if I'd did, I'm wondering which direction he would have headed?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Never been a fan of Tebbit......but his interview on Victoria Derbyshire was telling......

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not Irish so can't really give an opinion

But...

Never understood how a known murderer can become an MP

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"how very smug of people here gloating at the death of a man who was un bowed unbroken and never backpedalled from his beliefs that an occupied ireland and a marginalised people who never asked for british occupation had rights the same as everyone else. are you fnuts occupied we part of the UK and him and the rest of his so called people can piss off and get out of our country if they don't want to be here clear of.

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does that go for us Scots too?

Believe me..we are trying to piss off out of your country

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By *ichael McCarthyMan over a year ago

Lucan

"Not Irish so can't really give an opinion

But...

Never understood how a known murderer can become an MP

Yes, most mass murderers are MPs first, usually prime minister.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"how very smug of people here gloating at the death of a man who was un bowed unbroken and never backpedalled from his beliefs that an occupied ireland and a marginalised people who never asked for british occupation had rights the same as everyone else. are you fnuts occupied we part of the UK and him and the rest of his so called people can piss off and get out of our country if they don't want to be here clear of.

Shame not everyone in our country can look forward to a better future

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By *exysuecoolWoman over a year ago

funkytown

"Not surprised by this reaction.Most ppl only following the crowd. Plenty probably lined the streets tho when that CUNT Thatcher died."

She may well have been a cunt as you put it but at least she wasn't a murdering cunt!

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By *ichael McCarthyMan over a year ago

Lucan

"Not surprised by this reaction.Most ppl only following the crowd. Plenty probably lined the streets tho when that CUNT Thatcher died.

She may well have been a cunt as you put it but at least she wasn't a murdering cunt!"

She never pointed a gun at anyone herself but she most certainly ensured the deaths of many many innocent people who were murdered by her minions.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not surprised by this reaction.Most ppl only following the crowd. Plenty probably lined the streets tho when that CUNT Thatcher died.

She may well have been a cunt as you put it but at least she wasn't a murdering cunt!"
wanna bet???

Il go with cunt too!!!

Biggest 1 at that!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How easily ye lot overlook the butchering of so many innocent people on a near worlwide scale by ye're own illustrious forces.

I suppose ye believe ye're current war on terror is legimate aswel ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter,being British i have to say good riddance, just because he done some good later in his life,his past cannot be forgiven,saville is the prime example of that,no one forgives that bastard,hopefully gerry adams will be next."

What on earth?!

1. Being British doesn't mean you have to unconditionally accept the state's actions.

2. Did you really just compare McGuinness to Saville? I can't quite get my head around that one.

3. You call McGuinness a terrorist, yet celebrate his death and wish death upon another political leader? Doublethink much?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not Irish so can't really give an opinion

But...

Never understood how a known murderer can become an MP

Nelson Mandela was a terrorist before he became president of south Africa. He killed people in brutal ways but by the time he died he was hailed as an almighty peace keeper.

People can reform.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

She never pointed a gun at anyone herself but she most certainly ensured the deaths of many many innocent people who were murdered by her minions. "

You took the words right out of my mouth

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not surprised by this reaction.Most ppl only following the crowd. Plenty probably lined the streets tho when that CUNT Thatcher died.

She may well have been a cunt as you put it but at least she wasn't a murdering cunt!

She never pointed a gun at anyone herself but she most certainly ensured the deaths of many many innocent people who were murdered by her minions. "

Mr69: "most certainly" does not a fact make, & as a country's leader isn't that part of her job? To kill terrorist threats to the State?

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By *ubSirVient-DefinitionCouple over a year ago

dukinfield

Having been stood 20 metres away from Tim when that first bomb went off all I'll say is good fucking riddance!

Yeah he work on the good Friday agreement and tried to make amends. But I can NEVER forgive or forget what we went through that day let alone all the other terrorist activities that the IRA and UVF subjected the public to over the years.

No the British were never perfect and having done my research on all side during the troubles I understand the grievances on all sides. But gurrilla warfare on any level that involves and kills innocent kids, women and men is unforgivable!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

While it is impossible to condone what he done in his early life but I wonder how many when faced with the oppression that the Catholic people's of northern Ireland faced they wouldn't react in some way.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Rot in Hell.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Never understood how a known murderer can become an MP

That's a really simplistic view on the situation. The region was at war. He was a leader/member of a military force in that war. You may not agree with that 'opposition' force's aims and tactics, but many would not agree with the British force's aims and tactics either. Many civilians on both sides were tragically killed. Look up a list of current MPs in the Commons and Lords to see how many ex-military are sitting. Do you feel the same about them?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_veterans_in_British_politics

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Never understood how a known murderer can become an MP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_veterans_in_British_politics"

Mr69: did I miss something? Ex IRA do not make military veterans, they make ex criminals. So no, we thank our armed forces for keeping us safe.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"Having been stood 20 metres away from Tim when that first bomb went off all I'll say is good fucking riddance!

Many Japanese and German innocent men women and children were killed by British and American forces via bombing during world War two. Is that also unforgiveable?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Occupy a country

Alienate a segment of the population based on their religion.

Take land and homes from the natives.

Kill or imprison any native that voices any disapproval of britains actions.

Label these ordinary people " terrorists" who dared stand up to tyranny.

Assimilate a large portion of the world into their "empire".

When tbe IRA beought its war to mainland britain it wasnt pretty, it was vile, it was murder

But

It was simply a taste of what the "empire" inflicted on half the planet.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Read a book called 'Talking to Terrorists' by Peter Taylor and you'll get a better understanding of what MM did in his early life, and more importantly, why he get he had to. And the non-violent influence he had on what NI would become leading up to and post the Good Friday Agreement."

Great Hatred, Little Room by Jonathan Powell is also an interesting read.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Never understood how a known murderer can become an MP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_veterans_in_British_politics"
as I said before I'm not Irish and can't really comment

All I know is how I would feel seeing a man become PM knowing he killed a member of my Family or friends ?

Yes he was part of the peace agreement but part of that agreement was letting known murderers out of prison...on both sides

Sorry but if you take a life..you need locking up

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By *ubSirVient-DefinitionCouple over a year ago

dukinfield

"Never understood how a known murderer can become an MP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_veterans_in_British_politics

Mr69: did I miss something? Ex IRA do not make military veterans, they make ex criminals. So no, we thank our armed forces for keeping us safe."

To be fair the IRA were a legitimate militia. An organised operation lead and regimented. It was the British government outlawed the IRA by not recognising the IRA as a legitimate military operation, very clever when you think about as it means that the British army would not have to handle them under the Geneva Convention!

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan over a year ago

Kent

In keeping with IRA traditions will he be buried "somewhere"?

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

O o O oo

If you can't add to the thread without abusing other posters, please don't post

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Occupy a country

Alienate a segment of the population based on their religion.

Take land and homes from the natives.

Kill or imprison any native that voices any disapproval of britains actions.

Label these ordinary people " terrorists" who dared stand up to tyranny.

Assimilate a large portion of the world into their "empire".

When tbe IRA beought its war to mainland britain it wasnt pretty, it was vile, it was murder

But

It was simply a taste of what the "empire" inflicted on half the planet.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Never understood how a known murderer can become an MP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_veterans_in_British_politics

Mr69: did I miss something? Ex IRA do not make military veterans, they make ex criminals. So no, we thank our armed forces for keeping us safe.

Legitimate eh? They had a civil war first with their own people who didn't agree with them.

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By *layfullsamMan over a year ago

Solihull

I wonder if anyone will get a meet through this thread

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By *ubSirVient-DefinitionCouple over a year ago

dukinfield

"Having been stood 20 metres away from Tim when that first bomb went off all I'll say is good fucking riddance!

Many Japanese and German innocent men women and children were killed by British and American forces via bombing during world War two. Is that also unforgiveable? "

Yes it is unforgivable! As you'll see! I have in no way shape or form took anyside other than my own personal experience.

As a 14 year old kid I seen someone I used to play football against blew up on a cast iron bin he was sat on and I seen the pram that Johnathan was sat in!

I draw my opinion from my own life experience and I'm sorry I can not forgive this person for being directly involved in a day that changed mine and a hell of a lot of people's lives. I understand he was an instrumental part of the peace achieved in NI and I recognise his efforts but I still will never forgive him or forget what he and his people did!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wonder if anyone will get a meet through this thread

Mr69. Have you got a balaclava?

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By *mmmMaybeCouple over a year ago

West Wales

I didn't really follow the why's & wherefores of the NI conflict, However I did know there were three men I couldn't stand seeing on my TV because it usually meant shit followed.. Adams, McGuiness & Paisley

So two down, one to go..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ever seen the handiwork of an IRA punishment squad on a teenage joyrider?

Ever put a cordon around the body of a suspected informer?

He ran the IRA's own security and punishment unit for years. That right there is a special kind of evil, directed directly at the republican community.

While he's hopefully suffering here's a few words to consider.

Knee capping

Breeze blocking

50/50

Tar and feathering

Head job

Six pack

Bar beating

Petrol lighter bath

how many of his own people did he order punished because they didn't believe in the cause? How many of them were found in a ditch with a plastic bag over their head with a bullet in the back of the head?

I've been stood next to an RUC officer telling someone's mother it was her son they found last night.

Being search trained I had the lucky job of crawling around bodies looking for boobytraps a couple of times.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I didn't really follow the why's & wherefores of the NI conflict, However I did know there were three men I couldn't stand seeing on my TV because it usually meant shit followed.. Adams, McGuiness & Paisley

So two down, one to go..

I feel the same when i see yere pm and yere sugar daddy in the usa

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The news have just reported he died from a rare heart condition...yeh he was heartless

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ever seen the handiwork of an IRA punishment squad on a teenage joyrider?

Ever put a cordon around the body of a suspected informer?

He ran the IRA's own security and punishment unit for years. That right there is a special kind of evil, directed directly at the republican community.

While he's hopefully suffering here's a few words to consider.

Knee capping

Breeze blocking

50/50

Tar and feathering

Head job

Six pack

Bar beating

Petrol lighter bath

I've been stood next to an RUC officer telling someone's mother it was her son they found last night.

Being search trained I had the lucky job of crawling around bodies looking for boobytraps a couple of times. "

Ever seen the handiwork of the british empire?

Ever seen a whole population displaced because of the colour of their skin or their religion, or simply because britain felt it was more entitled to its resources than they were?

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By *mmmMaybeCouple over a year ago

West Wales

So two down, one to go..

I feel the same when i see yere pm and yere sugar daddy in the usa"

You & me both on that one! But I've an inkling our "friend" in the USA won't be around for a full term..

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"Having been stood 20 metres away from Tim when that first bomb went off all I'll say is good fucking riddance!

Many Japanese and German innocent men women and children were killed by British and American forces via bombing during world War two. Is that also unforgiveable?

Yes it is unforgivable! As you'll see! I have in no way shape or form took anyside other than my own personal experience.

As a 14 year old kid I seen someone I used to play football against blew up on a cast iron bin he was sat on and I seen the pram that Johnathan was sat in!

Fair enough. Well done for consistency! You often find though that lots of people who condemn the IRA for killing civilians will approve of British forces dropping bombs on cities and killing civilians. I consider that hypocritical.

Personally I think that if your political cause involves you killing a single child it's not worth it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"All sides have blood on their hands in the conflicts, it was a dirty war and many innocents lost their lives on all sides..

The current situation is preferable..

I think a lot of people in this country know little or choose to ignore that the historical oppression of how the people in Ireland have been treated sowed the seeds of which led to the conflict..

Did 2 tours in the 70's and knew what my duty was at the time but won't gloat over a man's death.."
.ive only got one point

Gandhi!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If an empire invaded britain, occupied it for 800 years.

Outlawed its language.

Outlawed its religion.

Took lands and homes from ye.

Only gave jobs to its implants.

How would the british people react ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Never understood how a known murderer can become an MP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_veterans_in_British_politics

Mr69: did I miss something? Ex IRA do not make military veterans, they make ex criminals. So no, we thank our armed forces for keeping us safe.

Legitimate eh? They had a civil war first with their own people who didn't agree with them."

Ah cmon ...

The civil war was waged between Irish republicans and Irish nationalists,

over the Anglo-Irish Treaty.

The forces of the Provisional government supported the Treaty, while the Republicans saw it as a betrayal of the Irish Republic after the 1916 rising

The Civil War was won by the Provisional government, which were heavily armed by the British government.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan over a year ago

Lucan

So two down, one to go..

Your first line really says a lot. I think there are quite a few above you who are in the same boat.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Never understood how a known murderer can become an MP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_veterans_in_British_politics

Mr69: did I miss something? Ex IRA do not make military veterans, they make ex criminals. So no, we thank our armed forces for keeping us safe.

We would have loved them to be treated as a real millitary, instead of arresting them and having to abide by the rules of engagement set down in the yellow card (think it was jsp900) then having them whine about out tough treatment of them. If we were under the rules of warefare as laid out by the Geneva convention we could of just lined em up and shot em into a ditch. Ever read the articles of war and Geneva convention? For them to apply to you, you have to operate openly and in uniform. You cannot deliberately target civilians. Etc etc.

Oh and there are rules to how you treat and deal with prisoners. While republican prisoners cried about being locked up, the cowardly fuckers on the outside never even had the common decency to let Robert Nirac's catholic family bury their son.

He was a commissioned officer working undercover when he was caught. The IRA didn't have the bollox to leave him where he could be found because of what they did to him.

For the IRA to hide a body rather than let it be found. . . .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If an empire invaded britain, occupied it for 800 years.

Outlawed its language.

Outlawed its religion.

Took lands and homes from ye.

Only gave jobs to its implants.

How would the british people react ?"

1066

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By *aid backMan over a year ago

by a lake with my rod out

Such hypocrisy the out flow of sorrow for Mandela passing but nothing but bile for mcguinness they where nearly one I was the same for their outlook and actions

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Never understood how a known murderer can become an MP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_veterans_in_British_politics

Mr69: did I miss something? Ex IRA do not make military veterans, they make ex criminals. So no, we thank our armed forces for keeping us safe.

Legitimate eh? They had a civil war first with their own people who didn't agree with them.

Ah cmon ...

The civil war was waged between Irish republicans and Irish nationalists,

over the Anglo-Irish Treaty.

The forces of the Provisional government supported the Treaty, while the Republicans saw it as a betrayal of the Irish Republic after the 1916 rising

The Civil War was won by the Provisional government, which were heavily armed by the British government.

Mr69: Hey up Yosser. Sounds right, 2 elected governments reaching a compromise.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If an empire invaded britain, occupied it for 800 years.

Outlawed its language.

Outlawed its religion.

Took lands and homes from ye.

Only gave jobs to its implants.

How would the british people react ?"
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You mean like the Normandy invasion where French became the official language of England for 400 years?.

Or William of oranges bloodless revolution?.

The list of "foreign" countrys that have invaded England over the last 2000 years is endless, they all did pretty much what the British empire did, in fact you could say the empire based its strategy on it, the Romans did exactly the same thing, i mean how do you think Ireland became Catholic? Everyone just converted overnight by choice

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By *ubSirVient-DefinitionCouple over a year ago

dukinfield

Just a shame he didn't die yesterday so his anniversary would be on the same day as Tim And Johnathan's anniversary!! Maybe his family could have the day as a reminder of the misery his organisation inflicted on myself and all the families involved at Warrington

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By *ubSirVient-DefinitionCouple over a year ago

dukinfield

"Having been stood 20 metres away from Tim when that first bomb went off all I'll say is good fucking riddance!

Many Japanese and German innocent men women and children were killed by British and American forces via bombing during world War two. Is that also unforgiveable?

Yes it is unforgivable! As you'll see! I have in no way shape or form took anyside other than my own personal experience.

As a 14 year old kid I seen someone I used to play football against blew up on a cast iron bin he was sat on and I seen the pram that Johnathan was sat in!

Personally I think that if your political cause involves you killing a single child it's not worth it. "

I agree whole heartedly with your last point!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What he said. Times ten. People need to realise when you start empire building it has a very long lasting effect.

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By *orwegian BlueMan over a year ago

Iceland, but Aldi is closer..

In any political battle you can take two stances...

To fight a war of words or to take up arms and fight to the death...

Ireland spiralled into a battle many years ago, political and religious over those that wanted independence and those that wanted to be part of the United Kingdom..

The British army deployment yo act as a peacekeeper just embroiled them into a bloody battle that started for freedom but soon became more.. It became a business...

I was brought up in London with the fear that at any time i could be killed by a bomb.

Almost every year during my childhood a bombing took place in London..

Having served in NI in the early 90's in bomb disposal, I saw many people killed and maimed.. Not just squaddies, civilians, people not involved with any fighting, just caught in a crossfire..

1994 saw a ceasefire which was destroyed less than two years later by an IRA bomb... Why... I can answer that with one word.. GREED..

The greed of the criminal element selling weapons, drugs and involved in organised prostitution rings..

In Italy they called this type of criminal the Mafia.. In Ireland they were called the IRA and later the Real IRA..

It is known that Mcguinness was instrumental in many of the events that took place, many of the murders have been traced back to him.

The pen is always mightier than the sword and there can never be justification for acts of terror or violence against innocent people..

So all those that think he was great, Justify to me why innocent civilians in London, Manchester, Birmingham, Guildford and all the hundreds of bombings and murders in Ireland had to die?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If an empire invaded britain, occupied it for 800 years.

Outlawed its language.

Outlawed its religion.

Took lands and homes from ye.

Only gave jobs to its implants.

How would the british people react ?.

You mean like the Normandy invasion where French became the official language of England for 400 years?.

Or William of oranges bloodless revolution?.

And did britain fight back to reclaim what is theirs?

We're they deemed terrorists?

Did they kill people in the conflict?

See where im going?

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By *ichael McCarthyMan over a year ago

Lucan

"Not surprised by this reaction.Most ppl only following the crowd. Plenty probably lined the streets tho when that CUNT Thatcher died.

She may well have been a cunt as you put it but at least she wasn't a murdering cunt!

She never pointed a gun at anyone herself but she most certainly ensured the deaths of many many innocent people who were murdered by her minions.

Mr69: "most certainly" does not a fact make, & as a country's leader isn't that part of her job? To kill terrorist threats to the State?"

Combatants are one thing. Innocent people are something else entirely. Under her leadership her military infiltrated loyalist death squads and put their agents in prime positions. The classic example being Brian Nelson. Brian Nelson then imported a shipment of weapons from South Africa with the full approval of the military. These weapons were then used to kill innocent catholic civilians, not combatants/terrorists, innocent civilians.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ever seen the handiwork of an IRA punishment squad on a teenage joyrider?

Ever put a cordon around the body of a suspected informer?

He ran the IRA's own security and punishment unit for years. That right there is a special kind of evil, directed directly at the republican community.

While he's hopefully suffering here's a few words to consider.

Knee capping

Breeze blocking

50/50

Tar and feathering

Head job

Six pack

Bar beating

Petrol lighter bath

I've been stood next to an RUC officer telling someone's mother it was her son they found last night.

Being search trained I had the lucky job of crawling around bodies looking for boobytraps a couple of times.

Ever seen the handiwork of the british empire?

Ever seen a whole population displaced because of the colour of their skin or their religion, or simply because britain felt it was more entitled to its resources than they were?

No because I'm 40 and served in the 90's and early 00's not in Cromwell or Victoria's days. I don't hate the Japanese because my great uncle was a chindit. I don't hate Germans because my grandfather on my mothers side was Jewish and had a tattoo.

I've seen ethnic cleansing in Kosovo.

That's another part of the world where they use excuses from 100s of years ago to fight each other.

The army was moved in in 1969 to protect the catholic minority from victimisation and abuse by the unionist majority.

Now if yall think we enjoyed being there, I preferred Hong Kong, Kosovo, Cyprus and Kenya as places to work. I also know that despite the promises of the IRA, when we were there we were in less danger than the risk of crashing on a vehicle move on exercise in Germany.

This is how dangerous the IRA were to British troops. Statistically we were more likely to be injured being ferried around Germany by accident.

Probably because off duty part time UDR and retired police were the favourite targets.

And mainland pubs.

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By *ichael McCarthyMan over a year ago

Lucan

"In any political battle you can take two stances...