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"Is the BBC News website headline correct? Do you need to be covered up to be a feminist? My view apart from the fact it's not news and shouldn't be on a news site, is that the whole non story only happened because some women on twitter were insecure in their own bodies, and attacked her for being good looking and having an excellent make up artist. Didn't feminists kick of the movement by burning bras..." Feminism is about choice, she chose to do it so yep more about jealousy I'd say, bloody tree huggers!! | |||
 . If they don't respect you for who you are, why try to change their mind, fuck em, life's to short.
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"I would shag her "Whilst respecting her feminist views of course  | |||
"I would shag her
Whilst respecting her feminist views of course"She express her feminist views with me | |||
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"Iv heard the name but cant put a face to her?" The actress from harry potter | |||
"Iv heard the name but cant put a face to her?" The little girl in Harry Potter  | |||
"Iv heard the name but cant put a face to her?" That is because she is a good enough actor to create the character she is playing, I think... seen the name on quite a few credits, but without the pic on the BBC website I too would have wondered who she was. | |||
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"Iv heard the name but cant put a face to her? The little girl in Harry Potter "Rather scarily that was 16 years ago. | |||
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"Iv heard the name but cant put a face to her? The little girl in Harry Potter "Not so little anymore  | |||
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"Seems the world is looking for an argument. In a supposed world where every effort, means and rules promote equality and tolerance, everyone has to have a label to be catagorised into. Race, colour, religion, sexual persuasion, hair colour, weight, shape..... FFS, will people stop looking for a fight!!!! " That is very true, I grew up through the era when it became legal acceptable and normal to be gay, Now the gay pride marchers are divided into different groups fighting about what gay means and who owns it. Guess this is the same. Either that or child actors are supposed to get fat and die of drug overdose at 20, not carry on acting. | |||
"Is the BBC News website headline correct? Do you need to be covered up to be a feminist? My view apart from the fact it's not news and shouldn't be on a news site, is that the whole non story only happened because some women on twitter were insecure in their own bodies, and attacked her for being good looking and having an excellent make up artist. Didn't feminists kick of the movement by burning bras..." and campaigning with no cloths shoving crucifixes up your anus in the Vatican which one group did 2 years ago ish. And the last time it was dove after 1706. ok so coming from humanist male is probably not best but this type of feminism failes to tackle the main issues of FGM, of women still dying in child birth in 3rd world countries, equal rights in the middle east, domestic abuse and the rolling back of punishments and support for victims and their families in Russia and the fact as Lauren Pankhurst said on internatinal women's day "their is a masoygynist as the most powerful man in the world" | |||
"Is the BBC News website headline correct? Do you need to be covered up to be a feminist? My view apart from the fact it's not news and shouldn't be on a news site, is that the whole non story only happened because some women on twitter were insecure in their own bodies, and attacked her for being good looking and having an excellent make up artist. Didn't feminists kick of the movement by burning bras..." I think that was a myth. | |||
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"I would shag her
Whilst respecting her feminist views of course"Obviously only if it was her choice! | |||
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"Seems the world is looking for an argument. In a supposed world where every effort, means and rules promote equality and tolerance, everyone has to have a label to be catagorised into. Race, colour, religion, sexual persuasion, hair colour, weight, shape..... FFS, will people stop looking for a fight!!!! That is very true, I grew up through the era when it became legal acceptable and normal to be gay, Now the gay pride marchers are divided into different groups fighting about what gay means and who owns it. Guess this is the same. Either that or child actors are supposed to get fat and die of drug overdose at 20, not carry on acting. " Out of interest what are you basing your perception of Gay Pride marches on? | |||
"I looked at the article you're talking about... I don't think she is anti-feminist for exposing her breasts, no. However, the article discusses her opinion that women are sexualized too often in relation to that decision to show her breasts. That raises more questions. The problem, I think, is that people don't really think through complicated issues like feminism and sexualization. I can't speak for Emma Watson, but for me the sexualization of women by society can run counter to feminist principles. However, female empowerment also entails the ability to sexualize ourselves if we want to. So feminism would support the power of a woman to take control of her own body and mind how she sees fit - including exposing her breasts for a photo. Sexualization, and it's connection to feminism, isn't a simple issue. It doesn't just come down to naked vs clothed. When people divorce these decisions from the power of the individual to choose or the message they are trying to convey then they lose the meaning of the terms themselves. Having said all of that, it also depends very heavily on your understanding of feminism. Modern feminism, in my opinion, has taken positions that I personally feel do more to harm the empowerment of women than to help it. But I don't suppose this is the place to discuss the nuanced contentions of modern feminist theories." well I don't mind you talking in the forums about it, I have found what you have written deeply revealing, enligterning and unearthly fascinating. | |||
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"Nobody actually cares except a few luvvies in the media and a few Wallys with degrees in gender studies Everybody else in the world just gets on with it. Theres a woman at work whos a right pleb but theres some pleb guys as well, the only difference is I wont get slated for calling the guy a pleb or hauled in for a tribunal for sexual discrimination" If you call the woman a pleb, you won't get hauled in for sexual discrimination, it would be exactly the same workplace conduct issue for either sex. MrB | |||
"Nobody actually cares except a few luvvies in the media and a few Wallys with degrees in gender studies Everybody else in the world just gets on with it. Theres a woman at work whos a right pleb but theres some pleb guys as well, the only difference is I wont get slated for calling the guy a pleb or hauled in for a tribunal for sexual discrimination If you call the woman a pleb, you won't get hauled in for sexual discrimination, it would be exactly the same workplace conduct issue for either sex. MrB" A pleb is was during the imperial error the lowest of the citizen class. its like calling someone a peasant. there is nothing sexial about it. | |||
"Nobody actually cares except a few luvvies in the media and a few Wallys with degrees in gender studies Everybody else in the world just gets on with it. Theres a woman at work whos a right pleb but theres some pleb guys as well, the only difference is I wont get slated for calling the guy a pleb or hauled in for a tribunal for sexual discrimination If you call the woman a pleb, you won't get hauled in for sexual discrimination, it would be exactly the same workplace conduct issue for either sex. MrB" . Aye but everybody games the system, they just claim its an on going campaign of discrimination because shes a woman
And then I get hauled in and have to say no its coz shes a pleb and then they give in because they dont want the hassle of going to tribunal bah humbug and bollocks  | |||
"Nobody actually cares except a few luvvies in the media and a few Wallys with degrees in gender studies Everybody else in the world just gets on with it. Theres a woman at work whos a right pleb but theres some pleb guys as well, the only difference is I wont get slated for calling the guy a pleb or hauled in for a tribunal for sexual discrimination If you call the woman a pleb, you won't get hauled in for sexual discrimination, it would be exactly the same workplace conduct issue for either sex. MrB. Aye but everybody games the system, they just claim its an on going campaign of discrimination because shes a woman
And then I get hauled in and have to say no its coz shes a pleb and then they give in because they dont want the hassle of going to tribunal bah humbug and bollocks "Is this an actual event? The pleb comment could be part of an ongoing sexual discrimination issue. Lots of women are discriminated against at work by ignorant people. A small number of people will play a discrimination card, but that doesn't mean a sexism in general isn't a problem. | |||
"Nobody actually cares except a few luvvies in the media and a few Wallys with degrees in gender studies Everybody else in the world just gets on with it. Theres a woman at work whos a right pleb but theres some pleb guys as well, the only difference is I wont get slated for calling the guy a pleb or hauled in for a tribunal for sexual discrimination If you call the woman a pleb, you won't get hauled in for sexual discrimination, it would be exactly the same workplace conduct issue for either sex. MrB. Aye but everybody games the system, they just claim its an on going campaign of discrimination because shes a woman
And then I get hauled in and have to say no its coz shes a pleb and then they give in because they dont want the hassle of going to tribunal bah humbug and bollocks "And what's this got to do with feminism? Or are you blaming feminism for stopping you speaking to people like they are shit? | |||
"Nobody actually cares except a few luvvies in the media and a few Wallys with degrees in gender studies Everybody else in the world just gets on with it. Theres a woman at work whos a right pleb but theres some pleb guys as well, the only difference is I wont get slated for calling the guy a pleb or hauled in for a tribunal for sexual discrimination If you call the woman a pleb, you won't get hauled in for sexual discrimination, it would be exactly the same workplace conduct issue for either sex. MrB. Aye but everybody games the system, they just claim its an on going campaign of discrimination because shes a woman
And then I get hauled in and have to say no its coz shes a pleb and then they give in because they dont want the hassle of going to tribunal bah humbug and bollocks
And what's this got to do with feminism? Or are you blaming feminism for stopping you speaking to people like they are shit?"I aint never talked to her like she is shit, you just made that up off the top of yer head | |||
"Nobody actually cares except a few luvvies in the media and a few Wallys with degrees in gender studies Everybody else in the world just gets on with it. Theres a woman at work whos a right pleb but theres some pleb guys as well, the only difference is I wont get slated for calling the guy a pleb or hauled in for a tribunal for sexual discrimination If you call the woman a pleb, you won't get hauled in for sexual discrimination, it would be exactly the same workplace conduct issue for either sex. MrB. Aye but everybody games the system, they just claim its an on going campaign of discrimination because shes a woman
And then I get hauled in and have to say no its coz shes a pleb and then they give in because they dont want the hassle of going to tribunal bah humbug and bollocks
Is this an actual event? The pleb comment could be part of an ongoing sexual discrimination issue. Lots of women are discriminated against at work by ignorant people. A small number of people will play a discrimination card, but that doesn't mean a sexism in general isn't a problem.". I dont know where you work but where I work alot of the girls know the score and how to game it, they aint daft and they openly tell you about it and best way to get off anything | |||
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"Nobody actually cares except a few luvvies in the media and a few Wallys with degrees in gender studies Everybody else in the world just gets on with it. Theres a woman at work whos a right pleb but theres some pleb guys as well, the only difference is I wont get slated for calling the guy a pleb or hauled in for a tribunal for sexual discrimination If you call the woman a pleb, you won't get hauled in for sexual discrimination, it would be exactly the same workplace conduct issue for either sex. MrB. Aye but everybody games the system, they just claim its an on going campaign of discrimination because shes a woman
And then I get hauled in and have to say no its coz shes a pleb and then they give in because they dont want the hassle of going to tribunal bah humbug and bollocks
And what's this got to do with feminism? Or are you blaming feminism for stopping you speaking to people like they are shit?
I aint never talked to her like she is shit, you just made that up off the top of yer head "No I based it on your repeated eferals to her as a right pleb | |||
"Nobody actually cares except a few luvvies in the media and a few Wallys with degrees in gender studies Everybody else in the world just gets on with it. Theres a woman at work whos a right pleb but theres some pleb guys as well, the only difference is I wont get slated for calling the guy a pleb or hauled in for a tribunal for sexual discrimination If you call the woman a pleb, you won't get hauled in for sexual discrimination, it would be exactly the same workplace conduct issue for either sex. MrB. Aye but everybody games the system, they just claim its an on going campaign of discrimination because shes a woman
And then I get hauled in and have to say no its coz shes a pleb and then they give in because they dont want the hassle of going to tribunal bah humbug and bollocks
And what's this got to do with feminism? Or are you blaming feminism for stopping you speaking to people like they are shit?
I aint never talked to her like she is shit, you just made that up off the top of yer head
No I based it on your repeated eferals to her as a right pleb", so what! Thats coz I was taking about her and not to her .
You know people call trump a cunt all the time on here but they aint gonna in real life
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"I looked at the article you're talking about... I don't think she is anti-feminist for exposing her breasts, no. However, the article discusses her opinion that women are sexualized too often in relation to that decision to show her breasts. That raises more questions. The problem, I think, is that people don't really think through complicated issues like feminism and sexualization. I can't speak for Emma Watson, but for me the sexualization of women by society can run counter to feminist principles. However, female empowerment also entails the ability to sexualize ourselves if we want to. So feminism would support the power of a woman to take control of her own body and mind how she sees fit - including exposing her breasts for a photo. Sexualization, and it's connection to feminism, isn't a simple issue. It doesn't just come down to naked vs clothed. When people divorce these decisions from the power of the individual to choose or the message they are trying to convey then they lose the meaning of the terms themselves. Having said all of that, it also depends very heavily on your understanding of feminism. Modern feminism, in my opinion, has taken positions that I personally feel do more to harm the empowerment of women than to help it. But I don't suppose this is the place to discuss the nuanced contentions of modern feminist theories." That was a very interesting contribution and, for me, only highlighted the minefield of this topic.it would seem to me that feminism has many shades beneath the same banner and the opinions will reflect this from relaxed to hardcore. It is a land of shifting sands... Emma Watson's viewpoint, in the BBC interview I saw, was that feminism is about having equality and personal choice and it was her choice to be photographed in this way. That's fine then but what gets my goat about this is the timing of it to coincide with the promotion of a movie so is it truly about personal choice? Or is it about exploiting the likely furore to get publicity for said film? If I was a total cynic I would suggest that amiss Watson and her PR team know what they are doing by having such a photo done knowing that it would inflame the more hardcore feministas and thereby drum up yet more coverage for her film. Which, if the case, would not only be shameless but sully her feminist credibility. | |||
"I looked at the article you're talking about... I don't think she is anti-feminist for exposing her breasts, no. However, the article discusses her opinion that women are sexualized too often in relation to that decision to show her breasts. That raises more questions. The problem, I think, is that people don't really think through complicated issues like feminism and sexualization. I can't speak for Emma Watson, but for me the sexualization of women by society can run counter to feminist principles. However, female empowerment also entails the ability to sexualize ourselves if we want to. So feminism would support the power of a woman to take control of her own body and mind how she sees fit - including exposing her breasts for a photo. Sexualization, and it's connection to feminism, isn't a simple issue. It doesn't just come down to naked vs clothed. When people divorce these decisions from the power of the individual to choose or the message they are trying to convey then they lose the meaning of the terms themselves. Having said all of that, it also depends very heavily on your understanding of feminism. Modern feminism, in my opinion, has taken positions that I personally feel do more to harm the empowerment of women than to help it. But I don't suppose this is the place to discuss the nuanced contentions of modern feminist theories." Well said Marc...  | |||
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"All the arguing aside, where are said boobs" just googled em lol.ther not big but they suit her frame | |||
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"Iv heard the name but cant put a face to her? The little girl in Harry Potter "The 26 year old woman who used to be in Harry Potter. | |||
"Iv heard the name but cant put a face to her? The little girl in Harry Potter
The 26 year old woman who used to be in Harry Potter."Why is everyone getting their knickers in a twist
We all know she's no longer a little girl - but that's what she's remembered for!
It was in answer to somone that vouldnt place her - not to imply she's a little girl!
And anyway who gives a fuck if she's got her tits out or not!
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"I looked at the article you're talking about... I don't think she is anti-feminist for exposing her breasts, no. However, the article discusses her opinion that women are sexualized too often in relation to that decision to show her breasts. That raises more questions. The problem, I think, is that people don't really think through complicated issues like feminism and sexualization. I can't speak for Emma Watson, but for me the sexualization of women by society can run counter to feminist principles. However, female empowerment also entails the ability to sexualize ourselves if we want to. So feminism would support the power of a woman to take control of her own body and mind how she sees fit - including exposing her breasts for a photo. Sexualization, and it's connection to feminism, isn't a simple issue. It doesn't just come down to naked vs clothed. When people divorce these decisions from the power of the individual to choose or the message they are trying to convey then they lose the meaning of the terms themselves. Having said all of that, it also depends very heavily on your understanding of feminism. Modern feminism, in my opinion, has taken positions that I personally feel do more to harm the empowerment of women than to help it. But I don't suppose this is the place to discuss the nuanced contentions of modern feminist theories. That was a very interesting contribution and, for me, only highlighted the minefield of this topic.it would seem to me that feminism has many shades beneath the same banner and the opinions will reflect this from relaxed to hardcore. It is a land of shifting sands... Emma Watson's viewpoint, in the BBC interview I saw, was that feminism is about having equality and personal choice and it was her choice to be photographed in this way. That's fine then but what gets my goat about this is the timing of it to coincide with the promotion of a movie so is it truly about personal choice? Or is it about exploiting the likely furore to get publicity for said film? If I was a total cynic I would suggest that amiss Watson and her PR team know what they are doing by having such a photo done knowing that it would inflame the more hardcore feministas and thereby drum up yet more coverage for her film. Which, if the case, would not only be shameless but sully her feminist credibility." Very good point. | |||
"Iv heard the name but cant put a face to her? The little girl in Harry Potter "I think you will find she's an adult now
My oldest daughter kinda hero worships her and has recently written a piece on feminism for her English exam. She talked about mwalah, Emma Watson, Kurt cobain and dissed Axl. (Yes she is currently banned from the flat ). I don't really understand this feminism lark but I do think that we should be able to be in control of our own lives and we should take ownership of our thoughts and feelings.
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"Feminism is open to interpretation. To me, it's about being a liberated woman. Doing what I want with my body and not being shamed for it. Being treated as an equal. However, there are huge grey areas that I sometimes feel conflicted by and I don't necessarily like how modern feminism has shifted. I suppose that's why movements like 'Women Against Feminism' have started, which makes me sad! " "Feminism is open to interpretation" – Whilst I tend to agree with you, should it be open to interpretation? "Doing what I want with my body and not being shamed for it" – Who shames you? "There are huge areas that I sometimes feel conflicted by" – Can you tell us any more about these areas? I am genuinely interested. | |||
"Must be a slow news day. 'Hermione get tits out' makes headline news" Particularly since it was already "internet news" over a week ago and shes already responded to it in an interview basically saying hello feminism is about equality and choice , wear a dress, dont wear a dress, like you life like this , dont live you life like that ... whatever you choose! Its not a stick to beat other women with | |||
"Reasonable tits for a skinny chick, but she'll soon forget about all that feminist nonsense when she snares herself a husband." Yes, but if she does "snare herself a husband" then that will be through 'personal choice'?! As someone else stated here, the feminism is "open to interpretation" and that means that these personal choices will always create conflicts between the two sides of the feminist scales. | |||
"Didn't feminists kick of the movement by burning bras..." men with moobs don't wear a bra though. why not? | |||
" Emma Watson's viewpoint, in the BBC interview I saw, was that feminism is about having equality and personal choice and it was her choice to be photographed in this way. That's fine then but what gets my goat about this is the timing of it to coincide with the promotion of a movie so is it truly about personal choice? Or is it about exploiting the likely furore to get publicity for said film? If I was a total cynic I would suggest that amiss Watson and her PR team know what they are doing by having such a photo done knowing that it would inflame the more hardcore feministas and thereby drum up yet more coverage for her film. Which, if the case, would not only be shameless but sully her feminist credibility. " Or more likely ... magazines run articles on people of current interest to the public Emma is playing a lead role in a big upcoming blockbuster so she fits that profile Vanity fair often so images of this style so have done similar The "outraged feminists" (not my description of all feminists just the ones that want to fight amongst themselves) were already pissed at her for playing belle as they see her as glorifyig and romanticising a character abused by a male so this was another opportunity to shoot down emma as "not being feminist" I really dont understand when one feminist turns on the other to say you are not doing this properly ... surely it should all just be about highlighting the inequalities that exist in whichever areas you feel are relevant to you and it all comes together as a bigger picture ... | |||
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" Or more likely ... magazines run articles on people of current interest to the public Emma is playing a lead role in a big upcoming blockbuster so she fits that profile Vanity fair often so images of this style so have done similar The "outraged feminists" (not my description of all feminists just the ones that want to fight amongst themselves) were already pissed at her for playing belle as they see her as glorifyig and romanticising a character abused by a male so this was another opportunity to shoot down emma as "not being feminist" I really dont understand when one feminist turns on the other to say you are not doing this properly ... surely it should all just be about highlighting the inequalities that exist in whichever areas you feel are relevant to you and it all comes together as a bigger picture ... " The PR campaign for this film will have been mapped out well before release and I just wonder what role Miss Watson's photo played in that, to garner max publicity? But you are almost certainly correct about the motivations of some hardcore feminists who wish to decry her roles for not matching their own values... it just goes to show that like most causes these days it is becoming a battleground fought out online by two sides who cannot, or who are not willing, to see the others sides viewpoint. People just tune out, disengage from the topic and let others battle it out? | |||
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"They are her breasts. She can do what she wants with them. It's amazing that that anyone thinks that they have a right to judge her decision making with regards to her own body. " Wasn't the issue, the delicious irony of using her tits, to make a point, when her own voice, and feminist views, failed to make an impact? | |||
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"They are her breasts. She can do what she wants with them. It's amazing that that anyone thinks that they have a right to judge her decision making with regards to her own body. Wasn't the issue, the delicious irony of using her tits, to make a point, when her own voice, and feminist views, failed to make an impact? " How do you know she was making a point with her tits? Did she have women should be equal scrawled across them? Or did mass media / the public just assume and make a point for her? This is another thing that gets me with the way feminists are viewed ... it doesnt have to be evident in every single thing you do ... not every action is a calculated move to send a message ... you are still allowed to do things "just because you want to" ... maybe she just liked the pose the photographer suggested and thought i look good in that, yes show it in the magazine | |||
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"They are her breasts. She can do what she wants with them. It's amazing that that anyone thinks that they have a right to judge her decision making with regards to her own body. Wasn't the issue, the delicious irony of using her tits, to make a point, when her own voice, and feminist views, failed to make an impact? How do you know she was making a point with her tits? Did she have women should be equal scrawled across them? Or did mass media / the public just assume and make a point for her? This is another thing that gets me with the way feminists are viewed ... it doesnt have to be evident in every single thing you do ... not every action is a calculated move to send a message ... you are still allowed to do things "just because you want to" ... maybe she just liked the pose the photographer suggested and thought i look good in that, yes show it in the magazine " In light of that, though, how can that position coincide with her views on the sexualization of women on society/the media? I don't think her showing her breasts negates her feminist viewpoint....but at the very least it makes her a bit of a hypocrite, surely? To criticize the sexualization of women and then go to a photoshoot promoting her new film and showing her breasts? Even if the choice to show her breasts wasn't meant to have a message, the act itself contradicts her prior words. | |||
"They are her breasts. She can do what she wants with them. It's amazing that that anyone thinks that they have a right to judge her decision making with regards to her own body. Wasn't the issue, the delicious irony of using her tits, to make a point, when her own voice, and feminist views, failed to make an impact? How do you know she was making a point with her tits? Did she have women should be equal scrawled across them? Or did mass media / the public just assume and make a point for her? This is another thing that gets me with the way feminists are viewed ... it doesnt have to be evident in every single thing you do ... not every action is a calculated move to send a message ... you are still allowed to do things "just because you want to" ... maybe she just liked the pose the photographer suggested and thought i look good in that, yes show it in the magazine In light of that, though, how can that position coincide with her views on the sexualization of women on society/the media? I don't think her showing her breasts negates her feminist viewpoint....but at the very least it makes her a bit of a hypocrite, surely? To criticize the sexualization of women and then go to a photoshoot promoting her new film and showing her breasts? Even if the choice to show her breasts wasn't meant to have a message, the act itself contradicts her prior words." Her breasts are sexualised by default because of society and not because she sexualised them. Does showing her own body in a realistic way really make her a hypocrite? I don't think it does. | |||
"They are her breasts. She can do what she wants with them. It's amazing that that anyone thinks that they have a right to judge her decision making with regards to her own body. Wasn't the issue, the delicious irony of using her tits, to make a point, when her own voice, and feminist views, failed to make an impact? How do you know she was making a point with her tits? Did she have women should be equal scrawled across them? Or did mass media / the public just assume and make a point for her? This is another thing that gets me with the way feminists are viewed ... it doesnt have to be evident in every single thing you do ... not every action is a calculated move to send a message ... you are still allowed to do things "just because you want to" ... maybe she just liked the pose the photographer suggested and thought i look good in that, yes show it in the magazine In light of that, though, how can that position coincide with her views on the sexualization of women on society/the media? I don't think her showing her breasts negates her feminist viewpoint....but at the very least it makes her a bit of a hypocrite, surely? To criticize the sexualization of women and then go to a photoshoot promoting her new film and showing her breasts? Even if the choice to show her breasts wasn't meant to have a message, the act itself contradicts her prior words. Her breasts are sexualised by default because of society and not because she sexualised them. Does showing her own body in a realistic way really make her a hypocrite? I don't think it does." No. Criticizing how other women show their bodies does, though. She chose to voice concerns about oversexualization. She had to know doing a photoshoot in that top would raise questions about her other comments. I don't personally give a crap what she wears or how much of her body she chooses to show. But I do think that if a prominent individual decides to make themself a voice for a specific cause, they need to recognize that their public image will be scrutinized accordingly. Ultimately it can do more harm than good. | |||
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"They are her breasts. She can do what she wants with them. It's amazing that that anyone thinks that they have a right to judge her decision making with regards to her own body. Wasn't the issue, the delicious irony of using her tits, to make a point, when her own voice, and feminist views, failed to make an impact? How do you know she was making a point with her tits? Did she have women should be equal scrawled across them? Or did mass media / the public just assume and make a point for her? This is another thing that gets me with the way feminists are viewed ... it doesnt have to be evident in every single thing you do ... not every action is a calculated move to send a message ... you are still allowed to do things "just because you want to" ... maybe she just liked the pose the photographer suggested and thought i look good in that, yes show it in the magazine In light of that, though, how can that position coincide with her views on the sexualization of women on society/the media? I don't think her showing her breasts negates her feminist viewpoint....but at the very least it makes her a bit of a hypocrite, surely? To criticize the sexualization of women and then go to a photoshoot promoting her new film and showing her breasts? Even if the choice to show her breasts wasn't meant to have a message, the act itself contradicts her prior words. Her breasts are sexualised by default because of society and not because she sexualised them. Does showing her own body in a realistic way really make her a hypocrite? I don't think it does. No. Criticizing how other women show their bodies does, though. She chose to voice concerns about oversexualization. She had to know doing a photoshoot in that top would raise questions about her other comments. I don't personally give a crap what she wears or how much of her body she chooses to show. But I do think that if a prominent individual decides to make themself a voice for a specific cause, they need to recognize that their public image will be scrutinized accordingly. Ultimately it can do more harm than good." Well, my own personal opinion is that anyone saying a woman can't be this or that isn't actually a feminist. But i think her comments have been taken out of context here. And i'm not and emma watson expert so could be wrong, but she was talking about the sexualisation of women in general, and did mention names yes. She was sexualised as a child, and as soon as she was 16 it was way more obvious in the media this had happened, so i don't think it matters what she does really, the media will attack her coz they sexualised her from when young/barely legal and they just want to continue doing that and not look like depraved perverts in the process. | |||
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"Feminism is open to interpretation. To me, it's about being a liberated woman. Doing what I want with my body and not being shamed for it. Being treated as an equal. However, there are huge grey areas that I sometimes feel conflicted by and I don't necessarily like how modern feminism has shifted. I suppose that's why movements like 'Women Against Feminism' have started, which makes me sad! "Feminism is open to interpretation" – Whilst I tend to agree with you, should it be open to interpretation? "Doing what I want with my body and not being shamed for it" – Who shames you? "There are huge areas that I sometimes feel conflicted by" – Can you tell us any more about these areas? I am genuinely interested. " I do think it should be open to interpretation, as with a lot of things. Feminism is going to mean different things to different people. As for the body shaming, this is something that happens constantly by not having men and other women. A lot of people feel it's their right to tell women what they should do with their bodies. Most of the time, if a man was taking his clothes off for money, the reactions would be different. This is an area I feel conflicted in because while I don't want breasts sexualised to a point where even breastfeeding is frowned upon, I myself, show my breasts on here to be sexual. | |||
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"As far as i understand feminism its about women wanting equality and not to be persecuted or seen as a sex object Hmmmm let me see she chose to get her tits out yes but does that make her a sex object also yes." And therin lies the problem ... thats not the definition of feminism but its been skewed to br about sex and man hating | |||
"As far as i understand feminism its about women wanting equality and not to be persecuted or seen as a sex object Hmmmm let me see she chose to get her tits out yes but does that make her a sex object also yes." Men or women can be seen as sex objects fully naked or in suits, dresses jeans even burkas. To be honest it neither raises or lowers my opinion of any political message she or others may wish to spout. As mentioned above you have seen her acting in more films than you remember because she plays and bocomes the character, unlike for instance Jason Statham whos films I love to watch because he plays Jason Statham doing stuff that's fun to watch. | |||
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"Unfortunately even some feminists have fallen into the trap of straw-feminism. " Oi, not having any of that PC crap in here, it is, always has been and always will be straw-man. Never will we accept straw-persons, straw-women, or straw-feminists.... It's medicine O'clock now and vodka is flowing freely this evening. | |||
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"Feminism, ultimately, is about equality. It's never been about rights for women over the rights of men, but equal rights, for everyone In a patriarchal world, women have had to fight for not just rights to be equal, but for rights as a human being first and not a piece of property It's very easy for the media to use misdirection like this, whether someone who is a feminist choses to pose in the way Emma Watson has, is a non issue. Report on the FGM that is still taking place, on the HBV that is still happening, on the millions of girls and women that don't have any rights and are used and abused That's what Feminism is to me, the fight for ALL humans to be born treated equally, but also to have the same 'worth' " Awesome so i assume you will be in full favour of and campaigning for women to do thier fair share of dying in the workplace? After all if a supposed 3% pay differnce was worth fighting for the fact women only make up 5% of workplace deaths mwans you really want to fight hard for that extra 45% to make things equal yeah? | |||
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"Feminism, ultimately, is about equality. It's never been about rights for women over the rights of men, but equal rights, for everyone In a patriarchal world, women have had to fight for not just rights to be equal, but for rights as a human being first and not a piece of property It's very easy for the media to use misdirection like this, whether someone who is a feminist choses to pose in the way Emma Watson has, is a non issue. Report on the FGM that is still taking place, on the HBV that is still happening, on the millions of girls and women that don't have any rights and are used and abused That's what Feminism is to me, the fight for ALL humans to be born treated equally, but also to have the same 'worth' Awesome so i assume you will be in full favour of and campaigning for women to do thier fair share of dying in the workplace? After all if a supposed 3% pay differnce was worth fighting for the fact women only make up 5% of workplace deaths mwans you really want to fight hard for that extra 45% to make things equal yeah? " that doesn't make sense to do that. we maybe could team up with unions and fight for better working conditions for all and health and safety measures? | |||
"Would this be all better if women stopped telling other women how they should act and realise that different people have different values amd that is ok? Equality is not about everyone agreeing with your interpretation of what is right. " . Women slag women off more than men, if feminism was meant to bind them its done a shit job lol. There was a poll on Facebook that was on about internet harassment, turned out it was women harassing women more than men .
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"Feminism, ultimately, is about equality. It's never been about rights for women over the rights of men, but equal rights, for everyone In a patriarchal world, women have had to fight for not just rights to be equal, but for rights as a human being first and not a piece of property It's very easy for the media to use misdirection like this, whether someone who is a feminist choses to pose in the way Emma Watson has, is a non issue. Report on the FGM that is still taking place, on the HBV that is still happening, on the millions of girls and women that don't have any rights and are used and abused That's what Feminism is to me, the fight for ALL humans to be born treated equally, but also to have the same 'worth' Awesome so i assume you will be in full favour of and campaigning for women to do thier fair share of dying in the workplace? After all if a supposed 3% pay differnce was worth fighting for the fact women only make up 5% of workplace deaths mwans you really want to fight hard for that extra 45% to make things equal yeah? " I would think this is mainly in the forces, fishing, farming and fuel extraction industries? So male dominated. Maybe women are smarter than you think. | |||
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"If Miss Watson really wants to show her feminist side, she should just pose stark naked, with 'Womens Lib' scrawled on her arse cheeks in permanent marker "Or make Libs' day and swap it over? | |||
"If Miss Watson really wants to show her feminist side, she should just pose stark naked, with 'Womens Lib' scrawled on her arse cheeks in permanent marker "How about 'Lib's women'? I think all women should do it and I'd recommend a tattoo over permanent marker. | |||
"If Miss Watson really wants to show her feminist side, she should just pose stark naked, with 'Womens Lib' scrawled on her arse cheeks in permanent marker
Or make Libs' day and swap it over?"
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"If Miss Watson really wants to show her feminist side, she should just pose stark naked, with 'Womens Lib' scrawled on her arse cheeks in permanent marker
How about 'Lib's women'?
I think all women should do it and I'd recommend a tattoo over permanent marker."Good job you have a short monkier or those pert arsed ladies would be struggling with a small typeface | |||
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"My daughter got a B off her teacher for her speech on feminism. It goes to the exam board now for her actual grade.
PTU xxx"put your heart into something and you will acheve. well done to your daughter. | |||
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"Well done to the girl for getting her tits out. The world could do with lots more women doing the same thing...especially when I'm there... "I know its false sycotamy and a phalice argument, women should be able to walk around without a top on in public like men. . .oh wait a min an now. lol | |||
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"Femenist are proud to be women as far as I know and therefore pride in there bodies should be important.Showing breasts does not need to have any sexual conertation it depends upon the circumstanes surely I am sure you ladies will correct me if you think I am wrong " goes with argument further up how art potrays nudes. either as a strength or sines of vulnrability. | |||
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"Think everyone has lost the most important thing in this thread A. Emma Watson gets her tits out. B. Any pictures " | |||
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"the 'feminists' should really be called 'masculinists'..nothing feminine about some of them or about empowering women. you dont need to put someone down to big yourself up under the name of 'equality' in my view. i think shes beautiful and i dont understand why womens nipples are illegal or bodies cant be shown without all this hoo ha, just shows people havent grown up enough yet to deal with nudity and their own body issues.." Masangonist is the female version of a mysoganist. | |||
"the 'feminists' should really be called 'masculinists'..nothing feminine about some of them or about empowering women. you dont need to put someone down to big yourself up under the name of 'equality' in my view. i think shes beautiful and i dont understand why womens nipples are illegal or bodies cant be shown without all this hoo ha, just shows people havent grown up enough yet to deal with nudity and their own body issues.. Masangonist is the female version of a mysoganist. " women can be misogynists too. they are women who put other women down because they hate women, and that includes themselves for being women. | |||
"the 'feminists' should really be called 'masculinists'..nothing feminine about some of them or about empowering women. you dont need to put someone down to big yourself up under the name of 'equality' in my view. i think shes beautiful and i dont understand why womens nipples are illegal or bodies cant be shown without all this hoo ha, just shows people havent grown up enough yet to deal with nudity and their own body issues.. Masangonist is the female version of a mysoganist. " Isn't it misandrist? | |||
"the 'feminists' should really be called 'masculinists'..nothing feminine about some of them or about empowering women. you dont need to put someone down to big yourself up under the name of 'equality' in my view. i think shes beautiful and i dont understand why womens nipples are illegal or bodies cant be shown without all this hoo ha, just shows people havent grown up enough yet to deal with nudity and their own body issues.. Masangonist is the female version of a mysoganist. Isn't it misandrist?" misandrists hate men, if that's what he meant by opposite? | |||
"the 'feminists' should really be called 'masculinists'..nothing feminine about some of them or about empowering women. you dont need to put someone down to big yourself up under the name of 'equality' in my view. i think shes beautiful and i dont understand why womens nipples are illegal or bodies cant be shown without all this hoo ha, just shows people havent grown up enough yet to deal with nudity and their own body issues.. Masangonist is the female version of a mysoganist. Isn't it misandrist? misandrists hate men, if that's what he meant by opposite?" bi is when you love both | |||
"the 'feminists' should really be called 'masculinists'..nothing feminine about some of them or about empowering women. you dont need to put someone down to big yourself up under the name of 'equality' in my view. i think shes beautiful and i dont understand why womens nipples are illegal or bodies cant be shown without all this hoo ha, just shows people havent grown up enough yet to deal with nudity and their own body issues.." Women's nipples are illegal? | |||
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"Femenist are proud to be women as far as I know and therefore pride in there bodies should be important.Showing breasts does not need to have any sexual conertation it depends upon the circumstanes surely I am sure you ladies will correct me if you think I am wrong goes with argument further up how art potrays nudes. either as a strength or sines of vulnrability. " | |||
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"the 'feminists' should really be called 'masculinists'..nothing feminine about some of them or about empowering women. you dont need to put someone down to big yourself up under the name of 'equality' in my view. i think shes beautiful and i dont understand why womens nipples are illegal or bodies cant be shown without all this hoo ha, just shows people havent grown up enough yet to deal with nudity and their own body issues.. Masangonist is the female version of a mysoganist. Isn't it misandrist? misandrists hate men, if that's what he meant by opposite?bi is when you love both "and pansexials love everything. lol | |||
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"She is just getting publicity for her new movie, it must be really bad if she needs to go to such lengths" I hope her next one is worse. | |||
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"I can't believe this has got so many posts! Who gives a fuck!? "is a thread discussing feminism not neccesaraly emma Watson. | |||
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"They need to choose a new name. Feminists are sexless women that hate men and hate women that are in any way attractive. They wear baggy grey clothes and doc marten boots and moan about everything. Hate the term. It got fucked up. " I happen to know a few feminists. None of them are anything like what you describe. They're all perfectly normal women who don't hate anything in particular but want to be treated on equal terms as anyone else. | |||
"I can't believe this has got so many posts! Who gives a fuck!?
is a thread discussing feminism not neccesaraly emma Watson."It was more a thread discussing twitter morons posing as xyz group, to vilify celebrities who are doing what they do for a living. | |||
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"She's just a not so good actress who got lucky in a franchise. See also Daniel Radciffe. Read their subsequent reviews then reference them against the Hollywood greats. Not likely to meet Oscar any time . So get involved in minor celeb stuff. Yawn yawn. Tits nothing yo get excited over." i like how your auto correct changed tis to tits. | |||
"She's just a not so good actress who got lucky in a franchise. See also Daniel Radciffe. Read their subsequent reviews then reference them against the Hollywood greats." Holywood greats? who would that be then? both are considerably better actors than me. and being 20 somethings there is time for good films to come their way. | |||
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"Feminism is open to interpretation. To me, it's about being a liberated woman. Doing what I want with my body and not being shamed for it. Being treated as an equal. However, there are huge grey areas that I sometimes feel conflicted by and I don't necessarily like how modern feminism has shifted. I suppose that's why movements like 'Women Against Feminism' have started, which makes me sad! " They need to start from scratch, rebrand and make it truly humanist. If they can't even agree what it is then how are they supposed to be taken seriously? They being an amorphous group wide with seriously divided opinions trying to operate under the same banner and convince us that all the world is against all women. They are mostly just trying to sell books, appearances and click bait at this stage. Those than can do and all that. | |||
"Feminism is open to interpretation. To me, it's about being a liberated woman. Doing what I want with my body and not being shamed for it. Being treated as an equal. However, there are huge grey areas that I sometimes feel conflicted by and I don't necessarily like how modern feminism has shifted. I suppose that's why movements like 'Women Against Feminism' have started, which makes me sad! They need to start from scratch, rebrand and make it truly humanist. If they can't even agree what it is then how are they supposed to be taken seriously? They being an amorphous group wide with seriously divided opinions trying to operate under the same banner and convince us that all the world is against all women. They are mostly just trying to sell books, appearances and click bait at this stage. Those than can do and all that. " but then humanism ignores that fact that women are disadvantaged. funny how there's hardly any recognition for people in poverty, like where's the 'ism for those people coz they are more disadvantaged than anyone. | |||
"It's great how feminism has literally never taken hold on society beyond what's actually needed (suffrage, equal rights in law etc)." A great distraction from anything really worth doing. Want equality, you start with a living wage campaign for all rather than a fictitious campaign that all women are fundamentally underpaid... which is fundamentally and verifiably wrong as any sound statistician or economist will agree, the devil being in the detail...notbthe headline | |||
"Feminism is open to interpretation. To me, it's about being a liberated woman. Doing what I want with my body and not being shamed for it. Being treated as an equal. However, there are huge grey areas that I sometimes feel conflicted by and I don't necessarily like how modern feminism has shifted. I suppose that's why movements like 'Women Against Feminism' have started, which makes me sad! They need to start from scratch, rebrand and make it truly humanist. If they can't even agree what it is then how are they supposed to be taken seriously? They being an amorphous group wide with seriously divided opinions trying to operate under the same banner and convince us that all the world is against all women. They are mostly just trying to sell books, appearances and click bait at this stage. Those than can do and all that. but then humanism ignores that fact that women are disadvantaged. funny how there's hardly any recognition for people in poverty, like where's the 'ism for those people coz they are more disadvantaged than anyone." You made my point for me. Some women are disadvantaged in some situations Some men are disadvantaged in some situations Some children are disadvantaged in some situations Mostly because of where they are born or live | |||
"Feminism is open to interpretation. To me, it's about being a liberated woman. Doing what I want with my body and not being shamed for it. Being treated as an equal. However, there are huge grey areas that I sometimes feel conflicted by and I don't necessarily like how modern feminism has shifted. I suppose that's why movements like 'Women Against Feminism' have started, which makes me sad! They need to start from scratch, rebrand and make it truly humanist. If they can't even agree what it is then how are they supposed to be taken seriously? They being an amorphous group wide with seriously divided opinions trying to operate under the same banner and convince us that all the world is against all women. They are mostly just trying to sell books, appearances and click bait at this stage. Those than can do and all that. but then humanism ignores that fact that women are disadvantaged. funny how there's hardly any recognition for people in poverty, like where's the 'ism for those people coz they are more disadvantaged than anyone. You made my point for me. Some women are disadvantaged in some situations Some men are disadvantaged in some situations Some children are disadvantaged in some situations Mostly because of where they are born or live " well, humanism seems to cover everything. but, it does ignore each isms struggle and their own quest for equality. i do get loads of people are disadvantaged but in different ways, as well as similar ways. | |||
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"I actually dont think its a sexual picture in any way ... people are just assuming its sexual because they can see a hint of boob" Same here. Can't say that I saw ANYTHING sexually provocative about the photos concerned. As was pointed out by at least one of the interviewees in the article, if Emma were a man, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Also, having looked at some of the Twitter posts directed at Emma, I notice that many of the people screaming at her to 'cover up' are also posting tweets calling for a ban on the hijab, burqa, and other such items of clothing... In other words, they think it's wrong for Radical Muslims to force women to cover their bodies, but perfectly acceptable to condemn a woman as 'anti-Feminist' if she shows too much flesh... . | |||
"I actually dont think its a sexual picture in any way ... people are just assuming its sexual because they can see a hint of boob Same here. Can't say that I saw ANYTHING sexually provocative about the photos concerned. As was pointed out by at least one of the interviewees in the article, if Emma were a man, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Also, having looked at some of the Twitter posts directed at Emma, I notice that many of the people screaming at her to 'cover up' are also posting tweets calling for a ban on the hijab, burqa, and other such items of clothing... In other words, they think it's wrong for Radical Muslims to force women to cover their bodies, but perfectly acceptable to condemn a woman as 'anti-Feminist' if she shows too much flesh... ." you know what you are right. i have decided to look at the photos as I realised i was talking about something I have not seen, and I agree with you the photos are more art than sexuial, although I date say someone will find it titerlating. it all reminds me of when Myly Cirus - wreckingball came out. What was a women showing her vulnerability about someone she loved but the love not reciprocated was confused as a something to do with sex. | |||
"They need to choose a new name. Feminists are sexless women that hate men and hate women that are in any way attractive. They wear baggy grey clothes and doc marten boots and moan about everything. Hate the term. It got fucked up. " This is a perfect example of straw feminism, that image you just conjured is either a very small minority of people. Or it is a fabricated example that anti-feminists have perpetuated to negatively portray feminists. All of my friends are feminists, male and female. Because feminism at its core means equality for all. | |||
"I agree with you the photos are more art than sexual, although I dare say someone will find it tittilating." Exactly. When I saw the photos, my first thought was of 'The Birth of Venus' by Botticelli...hardly what might be described as 'pandering to the male gaze.' To paraphrase Emma's friend and colleague Gloria Steinem: "Art is as different from pornography as love is from [sexual abuse,] as dignity is from humiliation, as partnership is from slavery, as pleasure is from pain." Anyone who sees Emma's photos as being pornographic SIMPLY BECAUSE SHE IS NAKED is perpetuating the myth that female nudity - and nudity in general - is somehow shameful and disgusting. | |||
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... not that i think young guys are arseholes ... i am just surprised they are vocal on issues like feminism
Maybe the shift thats needed is coming with the next generation as the "old school" mentality becone the minority
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"If only we could educate young boys in some of the less progressive countries to grow up respecting women in the same way " You can, but it will take a long long time. We have come a long way on many issues in my life time, even further over the last century, monetry equality is an impossible dream in the capitalist world we live in, but the realist in me will settle for giving everyone a fighting chance at an OK life. | |||
"If only we could educate young boys in some of the less progressive countries to grow up respecting women in the same way You can, but it will take a long long time. We have come a long way on many issues in my life time, even further over the last century, monetry equality is an impossible dream in the capitalist world we live in, but the realist in me will settle for giving everyone a fighting chance at an OK life." Sadly i dont think we currently can im talking about countries like saudi arabia where it is not even legal for a woman to drive or countries where young girls are subjected to genital mutilation
In these countries the rules are still made by the people who oppress these women ... including i presume the rules on what is taught in the little education given ... its a catch 22 ... until women get a voice at the top it wont change... but they wont get a voice at the top til it changes | |||
"If only we could educate young boys in some of the less progressive countries to grow up respecting women in the same way You can, but it will take a long long time. We have come a long way on many issues in my life time, even further over the last century, monetry equality is an impossible dream in the capitalist world we live in, but the realist in me will settle for giving everyone a fighting chance at an OK life. Sadly i dont think we currently can im talking about countries like saudi arabia where it is not even legal for a woman to drive or countries where young girls are subjected to genital mutilation
In these countries the rules are still made by the people who oppress these women ... including i presume the rules on what is taught in the little education given ... its a catch 22 ... until women get a voice at the top it wont change... but they wont get a voice at the top til it changes "Like I said a long long time, We only got the vote for women in the UK 90 years ago. | |||
"If only we could educate young boys in some of the less progressive countries to grow up respecting women in the same way You can, but it will take a long long time. We have come a long way on many issues in my life time, even further over the last century, monetry equality is an impossible dream in the capitalist world we live in, but the realist in me will settle for giving everyone a fighting chance at an OK life. Sadly i dont think we currently can im talking about countries like saudi arabia where it is not even legal for a woman to drive or countries where young girls are subjected to genital mutilation
In these countries the rules are still made by the people who oppress these women ... including i presume the rules on what is taught in the little education given ... its a catch 22 ... until women get a voice at the top it wont change... but they wont get a voice at the top til it changes
Like I said a long long time, We only got the vote for women in the UK 90 years ago."and that's relitivly recent compared toother western nations. | |||
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