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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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So this post has been inspired by something that my sister was complaing about.
So she graduated last july with a degree in chemistry, felt burnt out, so me and my parents told her to just get a easy shelf stacking job and do some volunteering for a few months.
Last month she decided she was ready to push herself again and get a better job.
She sent out application form after application form. Yet about a month in, her only interviews she has had, have been for recruitmen centres and agencies.
She had a nice little vent last night at the irony of it, that the bulk of the jobs she is finding are jobs associated with finding others jobs, or helping groups helping those looking for work.
Anyone else want to vent about finding a better job or observations in the job market? |
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"So this post has been inspired by something that my sister was complaing about.
So she graduated last july with a degree in chemistry, felt burnt out, so me and my parents told her to just get a easy shelf stacking job and do some volunteering for a few months.
Last month she decided she was ready to push herself again and get a better job.
She sent out application form after application form. Yet about a month in, her only interviews she has had, have been for recruitmen centres and agencies.
She had a nice little vent last night at the irony of it, that the bulk of the jobs she is finding are jobs associated with finding others jobs, or helping groups helping those looking for work.
Anyone else want to vent about finding a better job or observations in the job market?"
Why did she do a degree in chemistry?
What typebof job did she want to go into that needed a chemistry degree?
Quite a niche market I can imagine? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"So this post has been inspired by something that my sister was complaing about.
So she graduated last july with a degree in chemistry, felt burnt out, so me and my parents told her to just get a easy shelf stacking job and do some volunteering for a few months.
Last month she decided she was ready to push herself again and get a better job.
She sent out application form after application form. Yet about a month in, her only interviews she has had, have been for recruitmen centres and agencies.
She had a nice little vent last night at the irony of it, that the bulk of the jobs she is finding are jobs associated with finding others jobs, or helping groups helping those looking for work.
Anyone else want to vent about finding a better job or observations in the job market?
Why did she do a degree in chemistry?
What typebof job did she want to go into that needed a chemistry degree?
Quite a niche market I can imagine?"
She did a general chem degree as she loves the subject but wasn't sure what area she wanted to focus on, she's now limited it down to a few options.
bviously she is looking for graduate schemes in industry, or roles in what she enjoys.
But for the time being she needs a good job to save up with. She's just finding it frustrating yet funny that the bulk of interviews she has had, have been with agency companies and contractors, recruiting people for work, or advertising for work - when she herself is struggling to get good employment or meaningful employment. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So this post has been inspired by something that my sister was complaing about.
So she graduated last july with a degree in chemistry, felt burnt out, so me and my parents told her to just get a easy shelf stacking job and do some volunteering for a few months.
Last month she decided she was ready to push herself again and get a better job.
She sent out application form after application form. Yet about a month in, her only interviews she has had, have been for recruitmen centres and agencies.
She had a nice little vent last night at the irony of it, that the bulk of the jobs she is finding are jobs associated with finding others jobs, or helping groups helping those looking for work.
Anyone else want to vent about finding a better job or observations in the job market?
Why did she do a degree in chemistry?
What typebof job did she want to go into that needed a chemistry degree?
Quite a niche market I can imagine?
She did a general chem degree as she loves the subject but wasn't sure what area she wanted to focus on, she's now limited it down to a few options.
bviously she is looking for graduate schemes in industry, or roles in what she enjoys.
But for the time being she needs a good job to save up with. She's just finding it frustrating yet funny that the bulk of interviews she has had, have been with agency companies and contractors, recruiting people for work, or advertising for work - when she herself is struggling to get good employment or meaningful employment."
Shy on earth do a degree on something thats not going to help her get a job in the "real world"?
Ive never understood people who study and do a degree on a subject thats going go do thdm not one bit of good in securing employment??
Its just a complete waste in my opinion.
She should have chosen a subject that relevant to the job market and its needs in the workplace.
Just my opinion on it.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"So this post has been inspired by something that my sister was complaing about.
So she graduated last july with a degree in chemistry, felt burnt out, so me and my parents told her to just get a easy shelf stacking job and do some volunteering for a few months.
Last month she decided she was ready to push herself again and get a better job.
She sent out application form after application form. Yet about a month in, her only interviews she has had, have been for recruitmen centres and agencies.
She had a nice little vent last night at the irony of it, that the bulk of the jobs she is finding are jobs associated with finding others jobs, or helping groups helping those looking for work.
Anyone else want to vent about finding a better job or observations in the job market?
Why did she do a degree in chemistry?
What typebof job did she want to go into that needed a chemistry degree?
Quite a niche market I can imagine?
She did a general chem degree as she loves the subject but wasn't sure what area she wanted to focus on, she's now limited it down to a few options.
bviously she is looking for graduate schemes in industry, or roles in what she enjoys.
But for the time being she needs a good job to save up with. She's just finding it frustrating yet funny that the bulk of interviews she has had, have been with agency companies and contractors, recruiting people for work, or advertising for work - when she herself is struggling to get good employment or meaningful employment.
Shy on earth do a degree on something thats not going to help her get a job in the "real world"?
Ive never understood people who study and do a degree on a subject thats going go do thdm not one bit of good in securing employment??
Its just a complete waste in my opinion.
She should have chosen a subject that relevant to the job market and its needs in the workplace.
Just my opinion on it.
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So what degrees are relevant? Cause from what I can see if you do a science based course you get a 'real job' (definition please) quicker and more securely. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So this post has been inspired by something that my sister was complaing about.
So she graduated last july with a degree in chemistry, felt burnt out, so me and my parents told her to just get a easy shelf stacking job and do some volunteering for a few months.
Last month she decided she was ready to push herself again and get a better job.
She sent out application form after application form. Yet about a month in, her only interviews she has had, have been for recruitmen centres and agencies.
She had a nice little vent last night at the irony of it, that the bulk of the jobs she is finding are jobs associated with finding others jobs, or helping groups helping those looking for work.
Anyone else want to vent about finding a better job or observations in the job market?
Why did she do a degree in chemistry?
What typebof job did she want to go into that needed a chemistry degree?
Quite a niche market I can imagine?
She did a general chem degree as she loves the subject but wasn't sure what area she wanted to focus on, she's now limited it down to a few options.
bviously she is looking for graduate schemes in industry, or roles in what she enjoys.
But for the time being she needs a good job to save up with. She's just finding it frustrating yet funny that the bulk of interviews she has had, have been with agency companies and contractors, recruiting people for work, or advertising for work - when she herself is struggling to get good employment or meaningful employment.
Shy on earth do a degree on something thats not going to help her get a job in the "real world"?
Ive never understood people who study and do a degree on a subject thats going go do thdm not one bit of good in securing employment??
Its just a complete waste in my opinion.
She should have chosen a subject that relevant to the job market and its needs in the workplace.
Just my opinion on it.
So what degrees are relevant? Cause from what I can see if you do a science based course you get a 'real job' (definition please) quicker and more securely."
I asked a question as to why did she choose to do a degree in chemistry? What job had she envisaged that she wanted to go into that a chemistry degree would help her achieve?
You failed to answer that?
You just said she enjoyed chemistry so she did a degree on it ?
You would have thought that by doing a degree in a certain subject would be to secure employment in a business where a chemistry degree is needed?
Whats the point in doing a degree on a subject thats not going to help you get work?
Too many people do pointless degrees then complain why they cant get a job?
Cant see the sence in it?
And this is why now shes wondering why she cant get a decent job after her studying etc?
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By *ndigo40Woman
over a year ago
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"So this post has been inspired by something that my sister was complaing about.
So she graduated last july with a degree in chemistry, felt burnt out, so me and my parents told her to just get a easy shelf stacking job and do some volunteering for a few months.
Last month she decided she was ready to push herself again and get a better job.
She sent out application form after application form. Yet about a month in, her only interviews she has had, have been for recruitmen centres and agencies.
She had a nice little vent last night at the irony of it, that the bulk of the jobs she is finding are jobs associated with finding others jobs, or helping groups helping those looking for work.
Anyone else want to vent about finding a better job or observations in the job market?
Why did she do a degree in chemistry?
What typebof job did she want to go into that needed a chemistry degree?
Quite a niche market I can imagine?
She did a general chem degree as she loves the subject but wasn't sure what area she wanted to focus on, she's now limited it down to a few options.
bviously she is looking for graduate schemes in industry, or roles in what she enjoys.
But for the time being she needs a good job to save up with. She's just finding it frustrating yet funny that the bulk of interviews she has had, have been with agency companies and contractors, recruiting people for work, or advertising for work - when she herself is struggling to get good employment or meaningful employment.
Shy on earth do a degree on something thats not going to help her get a job in the "real world"?
Ive never understood people who study and do a degree on a subject thats going go do thdm not one bit of good in securing employment??
Its just a complete waste in my opinion.
She should have chosen a subject that relevant to the job market and its needs in the workplace.
Just my opinion on it.
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To be fair she's not qualified to do anything other than a maybe a few specialist positions that her degree is relevant to - so why is she surprised she's not getting the offers in?
Having a degree proves nothing nowadays. I've worked with 16 and 17 year olds straight from school who've had more common sense and a better work ethic than a lot of graduates - some of whom have bowled out of uni and expected a career to be handed to them on a plate.
If she's not looking in her specialist field then in my view her expectations are too high |
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I enjoy Astronomy for instance.
But Im not going to do a degree on it just because I enjoy it?
Because I know the chances of it helping me secure employment in the "real world" is going to be pretty slim to zero?
So I gained qualifications in marketing and purchasing and supply instead.
I chose those as I know there is a need for those qualifications in the market place when seeking employment. |
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"So this post has been inspired by something that my sister was complaing about.
So she graduated last july with a degree in chemistry, felt burnt out, so me and my parents told her to just get a easy shelf stacking job and do some volunteering for a few months.
Last month she decided she was ready to push herself again and get a better job.
She sent out application form after application form. Yet about a month in, her only interviews she has had, have been for recruitmen centres and agencies.
She had a nice little vent last night at the irony of it, that the bulk of the jobs she is finding are jobs associated with finding others jobs, or helping groups helping those looking for work.
Anyone else want to vent about finding a better job or observations in the job market?
Why did she do a degree in chemistry?
What typebof job did she want to go into that needed a chemistry degree?
Quite a niche market I can imagine?
She did a general chem degree as she loves the subject but wasn't sure what area she wanted to focus on, she's now limited it down to a few options.
bviously she is looking for graduate schemes in industry, or roles in what she enjoys.
But for the time being she needs a good job to save up with. She's just finding it frustrating yet funny that the bulk of interviews she has had, have been with agency companies and contractors, recruiting people for work, or advertising for work - when she herself is struggling to get good employment or meaningful employment.
Shy on earth do a degree on something thats not going to help her get a job in the "real world"?
Ive never understood people who study and do a degree on a subject thats going go do thdm not one bit of good in securing employment??
Its just a complete waste in my opinion.
She should have chosen a subject that relevant to the job market and its needs in the workplace.
Just my opinion on it.
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A lot of recruiters don't care what the degree is in, just that you are educated to degree level.
At 17/18 not a lot of children know what they ultimately want t to do when a ucas form is pushed in front of them. I certainly didn't. I ended up doing biology with education studies and now work in health and safety. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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In my job I have been responsible for managing graduates on our graduate scheme, the one thing they all agree on is that competition for graduate jobs and schemes is incredibly fierce, they seem to average 100 applications before any success. I've even had one that went back to uni to do a masters degree due to lack of work, now he's massively over qualified for the job he does, but due to not having a proper job until he was 25/26 his people and social skills are terrible he never passed the scheme, he's still employed by us but a quite a low level.
I can't help but think todays graduates were sold a massive lie about the benefits of university.
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"Some people have really grasped the bitching element of this thread title    "
Yet completely missed the point. The Chem degree is irrelevant, the point being made is don't you think it's strange that the majority of jobs available are helping others find jobs, yet there is no jobs apparently to be found. Again, the chem degree is irrelevant. Just strange that the only jobs to be found is helping people find jobs which seemingly don't exist |
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The ultimate aim of education is to prepare you for a job of some sort.
Therefore, choosing something with the widest application would be sensible!
My daughter is (hopefully, grades dependent) looking for a geography degree (human with some physical). One reason for this is it's record in graduate employment at the other end.
It covers an awful lot of ground, and basically boils down to gathering, analysing, and reporting on data. Pretty applicable to many organisations today. |
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Worst part of job hunting is recruiters, they are clueless idiots working in a field they ain't qualified for and work on database systems so when I company wants a software designer or an interior designer, they send that job to every designer in the database wasting everyone's fucking time.
I imagine a lot of recruiters are on fab. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"So this post has been inspired by something that my sister was complaing about.
So she graduated last july with a degree in chemistry, felt burnt out, so me and my parents told her to just get a easy shelf stacking job and do some volunteering for a few months.
Last month she decided she was ready to push herself again and get a better job.
She sent out application form after application form. Yet about a month in, her only interviews she has had, have been for recruitmen centres and agencies.
She had a nice little vent last night at the irony of it, that the bulk of the jobs she is finding are jobs associated with finding others jobs, or helping groups helping those looking for work.
Anyone else want to vent about finding a better job or observations in the job market?
Why did she do a degree in chemistry?
What typebof job did she want to go into that needed a chemistry degree?
Quite a niche market I can imagine?
She did a general chem degree as she loves the subject but wasn't sure what area she wanted to focus on, she's now limited it down to a few options.
bviously she is looking for graduate schemes in industry, or roles in what she enjoys.
But for the time being she needs a good job to save up with. She's just finding it frustrating yet funny that the bulk of interviews she has had, have been with agency companies and contractors, recruiting people for work, or advertising for work - when she herself is struggling to get good employment or meaningful employment.
Shy on earth do a degree on something thats not going to help her get a job in the "real world"?
Ive never understood people who study and do a degree on a subject thats going go do thdm not one bit of good in securing employment??
Its just a complete waste in my opinion.
She should have chosen a subject that relevant to the job market and its needs in the workplace.
Just my opinion on it.
So what degrees are relevant? Cause from what I can see if you do a science based course you get a 'real job' (definition please) quicker and more securely.
I asked a question as to why did she choose to do a degree in chemistry? What job had she envisaged that she wanted to go into that a chemistry degree would help her achieve?
You failed to answer that?
You just said she enjoyed chemistry so she did a degree on it ?
You would have thought that by doing a degree in a certain subject would be to secure employment in a business where a chemistry degree is needed?
Whats the point in doing a degree on a subject thats not going to help you get work?
Too many people do pointless degrees then complain why they cant get a job?
Cant see the sence in it?
And this is why now shes wondering why she cant get a decent job after her studying etc?
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I did put that she intended to get work in industry - with a general BSC Chemistry degree you are not really qualified to do a specific role - you usually start as a research or lab assistant, or technician then get guided into a role as some of my friends who did chemistry have told me.
With a first in chemistry she is qualified to start in most R&D sectors and chemical quality control, manufacture and testing - some elements of pharmaceuticals.
E.g she has applied for those roles, but without moving to the South which she like cannot afford to do, you have limited options, she has had interviews with Unilever for chemical detergent testing, and Bristol Myer-Squibbs for organic compound research.
The fact is, that the graduate market is saturated with inexperienced and experienced graduates alike. A company is likely to take experienced with qualifications, over a candidate with one or the other.
All I'll say is, if you think chemistry is a pointless degree - rater than the job availability is low, perhaps you need to try and extrapolate the general workplace skills gained from such a degree.
Examples I've pointed out are: statistical analysis, advanced numeracy skills, working to a high level of accuracy to produce reliable and accurate data, working to strenuous deadlines in a research based environment. Perhaps you can see how a friend of mine who fleshed those out went into business with a chem degree? |
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"So this post has been inspired by something that my sister was complaing about.
So she graduated last july with a degree in chemistry, felt burnt out, so me and my parents told her to just get a easy shelf stacking job and do some volunteering for a few months.
Last month she decided she was ready to push herself again and get a better job.
She sent out application form after application form. Yet about a month in, her only interviews she has had, have been for recruitmen centres and agencies.
She had a nice little vent last night at the irony of it, that the bulk of the jobs she is finding are jobs associated with finding others jobs, or helping groups helping those looking for work.
Anyone else want to vent about finding a better job or observations in the job market?
Why did she do a degree in chemistry?
What typebof job did she want to go into that needed a chemistry degree?
Quite a niche market I can imagine?
She did a general chem degree as she loves the subject but wasn't sure what area she wanted to focus on, she's now limited it down to a few options.
bviously she is looking for graduate schemes in industry, or roles in what she enjoys.
But for the time being she needs a good job to save up with. She's just finding it frustrating yet funny that the bulk of interviews she has had, have been with agency companies and contractors, recruiting people for work, or advertising for work - when she herself is struggling to get good employment or meaningful employment."
that's because those types of employers are eager to capture the skills used by people who go to university...
has your sister thought about teaching? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I worked in recruitment for a time, endless supply of graduates confused that their degree wasn't opening doors for them.
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I help graduates out at my local job centre by trying to help them find what skills their degree cultivated and to work out if they want to go into that profession, or whether academia killed the dream for them.
I don't think that the degree is the issue, it's just most uni's don't make 'work and skills' sessions compulsory. The one I went to did and it helped so much when I needed to work out what skills I was actually developing. |
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"So this post has been inspired by something that my sister was complaing about.
So she graduated last july with a degree in chemistry, felt burnt out, so me and my parents told her to just get a easy shelf stacking job and do some volunteering for a few months.
Last month she decided she was ready to push herself again and get a better job.
She sent out application form after application form. Yet about a month in, her only interviews she has had, have been for recruitmen centres and agencies.
She had a nice little vent last night at the irony of it, that the bulk of the jobs she is finding are jobs associated with finding others jobs, or helping groups helping those looking for work.
Anyone else want to vent about finding a better job or observations in the job market?
Why did she do a degree in chemistry?
What typebof job did she want to go into that needed a chemistry degree?
Quite a niche market I can imagine?
She did a general chem degree as she loves the subject but wasn't sure what area she wanted to focus on, she's now limited it down to a few options.
bviously she is looking for graduate schemes in industry, or roles in what she enjoys.
But for the time being she needs a good job to save up with. She's just finding it frustrating yet funny that the bulk of interviews she has had, have been with agency companies and contractors, recruiting people for work, or advertising for work - when she herself is struggling to get good employment or meaningful employment.
that's because those types of employers are eager to capture the skills used by people who go to university...
has your sister thought about teaching?"
Which employers? Sorry I don't see where your first paragraph is linking in? 
And she i thinking about it, but she is kind of put off by scare stories from family who are teachers, and she remembers how much she hated school at GCSE and A Level cause of disruptive kids. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I worked in recruitment for a time, endless supply of graduates confused that their degree wasn't opening doors for them.
I help graduates out at my local job centre by trying to help them find what skills their degree cultivated and to work out if they want to go into that profession, or whether academia killed the dream for them.
I don't think that the degree is the issue, it's just most uni's don't make 'work and skills' sessions compulsory. The one I went to did and it helped so much when I needed to work out what skills I was actually developing."
so you did a degree and ended up as a civil servant?
were you fast tracked? |
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"So this post has been inspired by something that my sister was complaing about.
So she graduated last july with a degree in chemistry, felt burnt out, so me and my parents told her to just get a easy shelf stacking job and do some volunteering for a few months.
Last month she decided she was ready to push herself again and get a better job.
She sent out application form after application form. Yet about a month in, her only interviews she has had, have been for recruitmen centres and agencies.
She had a nice little vent last night at the irony of it, that the bulk of the jobs she is finding are jobs associated with finding others jobs, or helping groups helping those looking for work.
Anyone else want to vent about finding a better job or observations in the job market?
Why did she do a degree in chemistry?
What typebof job did she want to go into that needed a chemistry degree?
Quite a niche market I can imagine?
She did a general chem degree as she loves the subject but wasn't sure what area she wanted to focus on, she's now limited it down to a few options.
bviously she is looking for graduate schemes in industry, or roles in what she enjoys.
But for the time being she needs a good job to save up with. She's just finding it frustrating yet funny that the bulk of interviews she has had, have been with agency companies and contractors, recruiting people for work, or advertising for work - when she herself is struggling to get good employment or meaningful employment.
that's because those types of employers are eager to capture the skills used by people who go to university...
has your sister thought about teaching?
Which employers? Sorry I don't see where your first paragraph is linking in?
And she i thinking about it, but she is kind of put off by scare stories from family who are teachers, and she remembers how much she hated school at GCSE and A Level cause of disruptive kids."
recruitment centres and agencies of course....jeez you posted it  |
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"To be fair she's not qualified to do anything other than a maybe a few specialist positions that her degree is relevant to - so why is she surprised she's not getting the offers in?
Having a degree proves nothing nowadays. I've worked with 16 and 17 year olds straight from school who've had more common sense and a better work ethic than a lot of graduates - some of whom have bowled out of uni and expected a career to be handed to them on a plate.
If she's not looking in her specialist field then in my view her expectations are too high "
I think a good degree does prove somethings, as I said before, the key is at university level, getting people to think about how the skills they are cultivating will translate into non-specific job skills.
Though I agree on certain elements, some graduates seem to think that 3 years of advanced education and a piece of paper entitles them instantly to a cushy 9-5 job and that employers should take that degree as a sign that the person is competent enough to have a job, never mind one which potentially has a fair bit of responsibility. |
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"So this post has been inspired by something that my sister was complaing about.
So she graduated last july with a degree in chemistry, felt burnt out, so me and my parents told her to just get a easy shelf stacking job and do some volunteering for a few months.
Last month she decided she was ready to push herself again and get a better job.
She sent out application form after application form. Yet about a month in, her only interviews she has had, have been for recruitmen centres and agencies.
She had a nice little vent last night at the irony of it, that the bulk of the jobs she is finding are jobs associated with finding others jobs, or helping groups helping those looking for work.
Anyone else want to vent about finding a better job or observations in the job market?
Why did she do a degree in chemistry?
What typebof job did she want to go into that needed a chemistry degree?
Quite a niche market I can imagine?
She did a general chem degree as she loves the subject but wasn't sure what area she wanted to focus on, she's now limited it down to a few options.
bviously she is looking for graduate schemes in industry, or roles in what she enjoys.
But for the time being she needs a good job to save up with. She's just finding it frustrating yet funny that the bulk of interviews she has had, have been with agency companies and contractors, recruiting people for work, or advertising for work - when she herself is struggling to get good employment or meaningful employment.
that's because those types of employers are eager to capture the skills used by people who go to university...
has your sister thought about teaching?
Which employers? Sorry I don't see where your first paragraph is linking in?
And she i thinking about it, but she is kind of put off by scare stories from family who are teachers, and she remembers how much she hated school at GCSE and A Level cause of disruptive kids.
recruitment centres and agencies of course....jeez you posted it "
Sorry I've been chain replying, got a little lost with what I was posting. But yes, that makes sense - well with the exception of the jobs for phone handlers, anyone can be the middle man for an agency if they have good communication skills. |
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"Some people have really grasped the bitching element of this thread title
Yet completely missed the point. The Chem degree is irrelevant, the point being made is don't you think it's strange that the majority of jobs available are helping others find jobs, yet there is no jobs apparently to be found. Again, the chem degree is irrelevant. Just strange that the only jobs to be found is helping people find jobs which seemingly don't exist"
Its not strange ... its genius ... someone created themselves a market by becoming an extra layer middle man in a society where everyone is stripping out non essential layers and going straight to source
They saw the high number of applicants , low number of jobs and thought rather than me be one of these applicants I am going to capitalise on all that supply (applicants) and charge the employee money to filter and cherry pick for what is appropriate for their demand |
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"Some people have really grasped the bitching element of this thread title
Yet completely missed the point. The Chem degree is irrelevant, the point being made is don't you think it's strange that the majority of jobs available are helping others find jobs, yet there is no jobs apparently to be found. Again, the chem degree is irrelevant. Just strange that the only jobs to be found is helping people find jobs which seemingly don't exist
Its not strange ... its genius ... someone created themselves a market by becoming an extra layer middle man in a society where everyone is stripping out non essential layers and going straight to source
They saw the high number of applicants , low number of jobs and thought rather than me be one of these applicants I am going to capitalise on all that supply (applicants) and charge the employee money to filter and cherry pick for what is appropriate for their demand"
But you end up with an load of people advising on how to get a job, that can't actually get a job themselves. You get in in most places though. Business advisors are the ones that wind me up the most. If they were that good they wouldn't be working for company they would be running there own. |
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"I worked in recruitment for a time, endless supply of graduates confused that their degree wasn't opening doors for them.
I help graduates out at my local job centre by trying to help them find what skills their degree cultivated and to work out if they want to go into that profession, or whether academia killed the dream for them.
I don't think that the degree is the issue, it's just most uni's don't make 'work and skills' sessions compulsory. The one I went to did and it helped so much when I needed to work out what skills I was actually developing.
so you did a degree and ended up as a civil servant?
were you fast tracked?"
No I do the job centre thing on a voluntary basis - trying to help graduates, and those who couldn't afford uni but have good qualifications and skills to get into a career that points them in the right direction, or training options.
I pretty much went through shelf stacking and warehouse work through my A-levels and uni days, then came out, got a job at home working in a wholesalers warehouse whilst doing bar work, eventually got fed up with the inconsistent hours, so I took a job at a local call centre for a few month, got a better offer working on hospital wards as a cleaner, then someone pointed me towards research opportunities between the local uni and hospital, I applied for that and 2 years on I've been lucky enough to have a good job in something I took myself to uni for. |
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" A company is likely to take experienced with qualifications, over a candidate with one or the other.
All I'll say is, if you think chemistry is a pointless degree - rater than the job availability is low, perhaps you need to try and extrapolate the general workplace skills gained from such a degree.
Examples I've pointed out are: statistical analysis, advanced numeracy skills, working to a high level of accuracy to produce reliable and accurate data, working to strenuous deadlines in a research based environment. Perhaps you can see how a friend of mine who fleshed those out went into business with a chem degree?"
Youve pretty much hit the nail on the head yourself there ... if an employer will take skills and experience over one or the other ... dont you think they will priortlitise even higher skills and experience in a relevant field ... so for a graduate scheme probably a general business degree takes precedent over more specialised degrees
Its unfortunate that there is not a very big job market in what your sister specialised in close to her home town but thats the reality of what she has chosen and she should have known realistically when choosing the course that to get a job in her chosen field she would probably have to move after uni
I do also see the other side of the coin though that at 17 its alot for young people to consider when choosing their future path but unfortunately its also reality and nothing anyone can do to shield them from it |
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Mrs JFL has a BSc in Chemistry and Business that she gained as a mature student while working as a chemistry lab technician in a school. It then took her getting on for ten years to get a job that was relevant to her degree (beyond staying in the school system). She now does a job that's entirely relevant but as niche as it's possible to get as a lot of the products the company she works for make are made exclusively by them.
Saying that, schools are crying out for qualified science teachers, there's a massive shortage. |
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"Some people have really grasped the bitching element of this thread title
Yet completely missed the point. The Chem degree is irrelevant, the point being made is don't you think it's strange that the majority of jobs available are helping others find jobs, yet there is no jobs apparently to be found. Again, the chem degree is irrelevant. Just strange that the only jobs to be found is helping people find jobs which seemingly don't exist
Its not strange ... its genius ... someone created themselves a market by becoming an extra layer middle man in a society where everyone is stripping out non essential layers and going straight to source
They saw the high number of applicants , low number of jobs and thought rather than me be one of these applicants I am going to capitalise on all that supply (applicants) and charge the employee money to filter and cherry pick for what is appropriate for their demand
But you end up with an load of people advising on how to get a job, that can't actually get a job themselves. You get in in most places though. Business advisors are the ones that wind me up the most. If they were that good they wouldn't be working for company they would be running there own."
Does it matter if it winds people up though? Either way they got themselves a job
And maybe they dont want the level of stress and responsibility of running their own company ... some people like to just have a 9-5 job and advise others and thats there prerogative ... it doesnt mean they are not capable |
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"Some people have really grasped the bitching element of this thread title
Yet completely missed the point. The Chem degree is irrelevant, the point being made is don't you think it's strange that the majority of jobs available are helping others find jobs, yet there is no jobs apparently to be found. Again, the chem degree is irrelevant. Just strange that the only jobs to be found is helping people find jobs which seemingly don't exist
Its not strange ... its genius ... someone created themselves a market by becoming an extra layer middle man in a society where everyone is stripping out non essential layers and going straight to source
They saw the high number of applicants , low number of jobs and thought rather than me be one of these applicants I am going to capitalise on all that supply (applicants) and charge the employee money to filter and cherry pick for what is appropriate for their demand"
Don't get me wrong it's clever.
But like all businesses they have targets, so I feel sorry for those who are given the ridiculous task of getting people into work when they have the job they have, as they couldn't find a better alternative.
I mean I worked in the call centre section of a recruitment agency, and the targets of getting a certain amount of people into work, per person at the time was ridiculous. |
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"In my job I have been responsible for managing graduates on our graduate scheme, the one thing they all agree on is that competition for graduate jobs and schemes is incredibly fierce, they seem to average 100 applications before any success. I've even had one that went back to uni to do a masters degree due to lack of work, now he's massively over qualified for the job he does, but due to not having a proper job until he was 25/26 his people and social skills are terrible he never passed the scheme, he's still employed by us but a quite a low level.
I can't help but think todays graduates were sold a massive lie about the benefits of university.
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Recruitment agencies are popping up all over the place. The job centre has 75% + of it's job advertisements from recruitment agencies; a fair amount of those aren't actual jobs, but a way of getting you to sign up to their agency for when they might have a suitable job. In the meantime they email you countless jobs that you are not qualified for or experienced in. |
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"In my job I have been responsible for managing graduates on our graduate scheme, the one thing they all agree on is that competition for graduate jobs and schemes is incredibly fierce, they seem to average 100 applications before any success. I've even had one that went back to uni to do a masters degree due to lack of work, now he's massively over qualified for the job he does, but due to not having a proper job until he was 25/26 his people and social skills are terrible he never passed the scheme, he's still employed by us but a quite a low level.
I can't help but think todays graduates were sold a massive lie about the benefits of university.
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Yes to the last paragraph. As a mum of a teen going through GCSEs now, it worries me that the schools seem to just push push push for A levels and then degrees. Graduates are fast becoming ten a penny. How does an employer differentiate between them |
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Did she ask for feedback to see why she wasn't selected for interview ? It may be she needs to look at how she is conpleting the application form. Also might be worth her getting a couple of her peers to look over her C.V as employers often point them according to pre set criteria.
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" Yes to the last paragraph. As a mum of a teen going through GCSEs now, it worries me that the schools seem to just push push push for A levels and then degrees. Graduates are fast becoming ten a penny. How does an employer differentiate between them "
And the catch 22 situation here is because they are 10 a penny if you dont have it you dont ven get to the next stage of differentiating yourself
Its like its becoming the minimum standard rather than the differentiator itself
I actually dont have a degree and am a few months away from being a chartered accountant ... but i am at least 6 maybe 7 years behind the people who did have the degrer so not having it definitely puts you at a disadvantage |
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"So this post has been inspired by something that my sister was complaing about.
So she graduated last july with a degree in chemistry, felt burnt out, so me and my parents told her to just get a easy shelf stacking job and do some volunteering for a few months.
Last month she decided she was ready to push herself again and get a better job.
She sent out application form after application form. Yet about a month in, her only interviews she has had, have been for recruitmen centres and agencies.
She had a nice little vent last night at the irony of it, that the bulk of the jobs she is finding are jobs associated with finding others jobs, or helping groups helping those looking for work.
Anyone else want to vent about finding a better job or observations in the job market?
Why did she do a degree in chemistry?
What typebof job did she want to go into that needed a chemistry degree?
Quite a niche market I can imagine?
She did a general chem degree as she loves the subject but wasn't sure what area she wanted to focus on, she's now limited it down to a few options.
bviously she is looking for graduate schemes in industry, or roles in what she enjoys.
But for the time being she needs a good job to save up with. She's just finding it frustrating yet funny that the bulk of interviews she has had, have been with agency companies and contractors, recruiting people for work, or advertising for work - when she herself is struggling to get good employment or meaningful employment.
Shy on earth do a degree on something thats not going to help her get a job in the "real world"?
Ive never understood people who study and do a degree on a subject thats going go do thdm not one bit of good in securing employment??
Its just a complete waste in my opinion.
She should have chosen a subject that relevant to the job market and its needs in the workplace.
Just my opinion on it.
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Chemistry is a pretty vast industrial area when it comes to jobs.
But to maximise success you either need to do a year out in industry so you have "experience" or instea dof generalising or specialising smash all the management modules.
Companies like managers who have a grounding in the industry |
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"It's to be hoped chemistry isn't a pointless degree, our son is doing his gcse's now and already knows he wants to do chemistry at uni, "
Its not pointless if thats the field he wants to work in and willing to relocate to where the jobs are if need be |
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"It's to be hoped chemistry isn't a pointless degree, our son is doing his gcse's now and already knows he wants to do chemistry at uni, "
If he can hack the extra work and get the grades to be accepted do one with a year in industry |
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I can't help but think todays graduates were sold a massive lie about the benefits of university.
Yes to the last paragraph. As a mum of a teen going through GCSEs now, it worries me that the schools seem to just push push push for A levels and then degrees. Graduates are fast becoming ten a penny. How does an employer differentiate between them "
Yes, especially with the debt the poor sods are likely to also walk out with.
There's quite a strong argument for just heading straight for a good trade type role at 16/18, if you can find an apprenticeship of course... |
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I can't help but think todays graduates were sold a massive lie about the benefits of university.
Yes to the last paragraph. As a mum of a teen going through GCSEs now, it worries me that the schools seem to just push push push for A levels and then degrees. Graduates are fast becoming ten a penny. How does an employer differentiate between them
Yes, especially with the debt the poor sods are likely to also walk out with.
There's quite a strong argument for just heading straight for a good trade type role at 16/18, if you can find an apprenticeship of course..."
100% ... most people i know in a trade are better off financially than those in industry
You also have the added benefit of being able to use the skills from your job to build up practical experience, clients and some spare cahs on the side doing homers which is a good lead into your own business in future if you choose too |
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" Yes to the last paragraph. As a mum of a teen going through GCSEs now, it worries me that the schools seem to just push push push for A levels and then degrees. Graduates are fast becoming ten a penny. How does an employer differentiate between them
And the catch 22 situation here is because they are 10 a penny if you dont have it you dont ven get to the next stage of differentiating yourself
Its like its becoming the minimum standard rather than the differentiator itself
I actually dont have a degree and am a few months away from being a chartered accountant ... but i am at least 6 maybe 7 years behind the people who did have the degrer so not having it definitely puts you at a disadvantage "
Agreed, this is what a friend of mine found out. We finished A levels at the same time - he came out with an A, B and two C's, in Spanish, German, English lit, and History respectively. Those grades would have got him to a good uni, but he had no idea what he actually wanted to study, and he didn't want to have to tke out an additional loan for uni, which he would have had to, only to hate the qualification.
Problem is now, the catch 22 is that even with his experience in business he is getting pushed out of better jobs by degree holders. And now, because grade boundaries have changed, and un places are in high demand because its either, have a job, apprenticeship, or uni for 18 year olds, he is struggling to find a way into uni. |
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I can't help but think todays graduates were sold a massive lie about the benefits of university.
Yes to the last paragraph. As a mum of a teen going through GCSEs now, it worries me that the schools seem to just push push push for A levels and then degrees. Graduates are fast becoming ten a penny. How does an employer differentiate between them
Yes, especially with the debt the poor sods are likely to also walk out with.
There's quite a strong argument for just heading straight for a good trade type role at 16/18, if you can find an apprenticeship of course..."
Absolutely. This is the route I took. It's stood me in good stead |
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"He is looking at been a chemical engineer hopefully, so even though he's only 16 he is having to map out his career path already"
Hed be better studying chemical engineering in that case lol |
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"She should have chosen a subject that relevant to the job market and its needs in the workplace.
Just my opinion on it.
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Like all people who do University straight from school, she obviously had little idea and no experience.
Chemistry is probably one of the most useful sciences going, and everything from the food you eat to the phone you call up the delivery with has chemists somewhere in the chain.
The OP is about the irony that the UK is so service industry focused that the easiest job to get is in the service of finding jobs, rather than actually doing something productive.
That is why I live in the UK with my cat, and look after my deranged mother, while my Wife works in Germany where real stuff gets done.
OP, fair play to your sister for graduating, hope she finds the right job soon. |
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"So this post has been inspired by something that my sister was complaing about.
So she graduated last july with a degree in chemistry, felt burnt out, so me and my parents told her to just get a easy shelf stacking job and do some volunteering for a few months.
Last month she decided she was ready to push herself again and get a better job.
She sent out application form after application form. Yet about a month in, her only interviews she has had, have been for recruitmen centres and agencies.
She had a nice little vent last night at the irony of it, that the bulk of the jobs she is finding are jobs associated with finding others jobs, or helping groups helping those looking for work.
Anyone else want to vent about finding a better job or observations in the job market?
Why did she do a degree in chemistry?
What typebof job did she want to go into that needed a chemistry degree?
Quite a niche market I can imagine?
She did a general chem degree as she loves the subject but wasn't sure what area she wanted to focus on, she's now limited it down to a few options.
bviously she is looking for graduate schemes in industry, or roles in what she enjoys.
But for the time being she needs a good job to save up with. She's just finding it frustrating yet funny that the bulk of interviews she has had, have been with agency companies and contractors, recruiting people for work, or advertising for work - when she herself is struggling to get good employment or meaningful employment.
Shy on earth do a degree on something thats not going to help her get a job in the "real world"?
Ive never understood people who study and do a degree on a subject thats going go do thdm not one bit of good in securing employment??
Its just a complete waste in my opinion.
She should have chosen a subject that relevant to the job market and its needs in the workplace.
Just my opinion on it.
So what degrees are relevant? Cause from what I can see if you do a science based course you get a 'real job' (definition please) quicker and more securely.
I asked a question as to why did she choose to do a degree in chemistry? What job had she envisaged that she wanted to go into that a chemistry degree would help her achieve?
You failed to answer that?
You just said she enjoyed chemistry so she did a degree on it ?
You would have thought that by doing a degree in a certain subject would be to secure employment in a business where a chemistry degree is needed?
Whats the point in doing a degree on a subject thats not going to help you get work?
Too many people do pointless degrees then complain why they cant get a job?
Cant see the sence in it?
And this is why now shes wondering why she cant get a decent job after her studying etc?
I did put that she intended to get work in industry - with a general BSC Chemistry degree you are not really qualified to do a specific role - you usually start as a research or lab assistant, or technician then get guided into a role as some of my friends who did chemistry have told me.
With a first in chemistry she is qualified to start in most R&D sectors and chemical quality control, manufacture and testing - some elements of pharmaceuticals.
E.g she has applied for those roles, but without moving to the South which she like cannot afford to do, you have limited options, she has had interviews with Unilever for chemical detergent testing, and Bristol Myer-Squibbs for organic compound research.
The fact is, that the graduate market is saturated with inexperienced and experienced graduates alike. A company is likely to take experienced with qualifications, over a candidate with one or the other.
All I'll say is, if you think chemistry is a pointless degree - rater than the job availability is low, perhaps you need to try and extrapolate the general workplace skills gained from such a degree.
Examples I've pointed out are: statistical analysis, advanced numeracy skills, working to a high level of accuracy to produce reliable and accurate data, working to strenuous deadlines in a research based environment. Perhaps you can see how a friend of mine who fleshed those out went into business with a chem degree?"
My understanding is that financial institutions employ science based graduates as they need people who can understand the complex equations underpinning their products.
I believe the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy had comments in regard to the management consultants on Golgafrincham and the marketing division of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation. |
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There are lots of science jobs out there but you won't get them by signing up with generic recruitment agencies, you have to go through specialist agencies and get your name about in the right areas on LinkedIn (the specialist agencies are more likely to find you there, than you are to find them). |
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