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Pregnant smoking

By *.1079 OP Man over a year ago

Lincolnshire

I've just seen a heavily pregnant woman smoking and it got me thinking, how it's been made illegal to smoke in a car if kids are in it, to protect them from the harmful effects. I'm not judging anyone I just find it strange you can smoke when pregnant but not around the kids once there born.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've just seen a heavily pregnant woman smoking and it got me thinking, how it's been made illegal to smoke in a car if kids are in it, to protect them from the harmful effects. I'm not judging anyone I just find it strange you can smoke when pregnant but not around the kids once there born."

Clearly a 'fruit the loop'. The woman not you OP. Should have gave her piece of your mind.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I personally think smoking should be banned full stop.

PTU xxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Its been proven to be connected with premature births.

But then people on oxygen still smoke. It's an addiction.

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By *.1079 OP Man over a year ago

Lincolnshire

Clearly a 'fruit the loop'. The woman not you OP. Should have gave her piece of your mind. "

Like I say I'm not judging. I just find it strange they pass laws regarding smoking around children but not before there born.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I personally think smoking should be banned full stop.

PTU xxx "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Probably going to get slated now but ...i smoked through all 4 my pregnancies and all 4 of my children are healthy and born 8lb and over and not one of them was prem . I don't smoke around them I go in the garden.

I'm ready for a slating now

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm judging, I think it's sad that a woman can't / won't give up when she's pregnant.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That is a very good point. But it would be impossible to control.

If people want to smoke that is their perogative and I am not one to lecture but I do think the parents have the moral duty to do what they think is right.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm judging, I think it's sad that a woman can't / won't give up when she's pregnant."

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By *.1079 OP Man over a year ago

Lincolnshire

"That is a very good point. But it would be impossible to control.

If people want to smoke that is their perogative and I am not one to lecture but I do think the parents have the moral duty to do what they think is right."

Surely it's impossible to control smoking in a car, but the law was passed. And I would hope a moral duty would be not to put there children at harm.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

People do all sorts of things which aren't good for them or their children, unborn and born. Legislation goes some of the way but there are still people smoking in cars with children.

There was a piece on a R4 programme last week about midwives testing for carbon monoxide and the anger this has caused as it is an indication of smoking, as well as faulty gas equipment.

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By *iscean MaleMan over a year ago

Darlaston

"Probably going to get slated now but ...i smoked through all 4 my pregnancies and all 4 of my children are healthy and born 8lb and over and not one of them was prem . I don't smoke around them I go in the garden.

I'm ready for a slating now "

Mom knows best.. as you said.. all kids are healthy. I too know many women who smoked through pregnancies and went to have healthy babies.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm ready for a slating now "

It increases the risk not for everyone but having been in the SCBU it's one of the most heartbreaking places to spend time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Clearly more concerned for her own gratification/pleasure from smoking than the health of her baby,and her own health too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

When I was pregnant with my children there were frequently pregnant women outside the maternity ward smoking, occasionally they'd even have a catheter attached and a bag of wee with them, I struggle to see how a mother can continue to smoke throughout a pregnancy but I've never been a smoker so perhaps I am unable to fully comprehend the addiction of smoking.

A friend smoked through both her pregnancies, both children suffer with athsma but oddly enough it's nothing to do with her smoking and its all related to her "mouldy" council flat

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm ready for a slating now "

Well done for admitting it. But a bloody selfish thing to do.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

back in the day, my mum smoked during mine and my 3 siblings pregnancies and subsequent births..

no one batted an eyelid back then, they just let everyone get on with it..

must just say though we were all a healthy weight when born and are all over 6ft and I personally have only ever been hospitalised for an appendectomy.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If they cant stop all the crxxk n smxxk baby's being born that is properly illegal how can the do any thing other than give out information and hope people take it on board ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"That is a very good point. But it would be impossible to control.

If people want to smoke that is their perogative and I am not one to lecture but I do think the parents have the moral duty to do what they think is right.

Surely it's impossible to control smoking in a car, but the law was passed. And I would hope a moral duty would be not to put there children at harm."

The police can see someone smoking in a car, its difficult but not impossible. Stopping people in their own home is much much harder. But as I initially said, the parents have a moral obligation to do what is right.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm judging, I think it's sad that a woman can't / won't give up when she's pregnant."

I just think it's selfish. It was the only thing that worked with me. I'd never had any real motivation to give up before I got pregnant. I wouldn't have been able to live with myself if I'd harmed my unborn child. But at the end of the day if people want to do it it isn't my place to tell them they shouldn't so I wouldn't have said anything.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Clearly a 'fruit the loop'. The woman not you OP. Should have gave her piece of your mind. "

Who are you to judge?

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By *.1079 OP Man over a year ago

Lincolnshire

I'm ready for a slating now

Mom knows best.. as you said.. all kids are healthy. I too know many women who smoked through pregnancies and went to have healthy babies. "

Well your the lucky ones.

I had a premature daughter nothing to do with smoking but I wouldn't want anyone to go through what we went through and can't see how you would risk it for a habit.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I haven't got any respect for a pregnant lady, who's stupid enough to smoke, before, during or after, their pregnancy.

You might think you've gotten away with it, but you're pissing in the wind.

One day, you may find, the chemicals the kids were exposed to, then or now, did more damage than you considered.

It's selfish to inflict the effects of smoking on others, whether that's passive or directly, then or now.

Repulsive vile habit - yes it should be banned.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't like seeing it, i think it's selfish but that's just my opinion.

However, is it less stressful on baby to cut down on the amount you smoke or to go cold turkey when hormones all over the place? I don't know.

My mum smoke and drank (in moderation) when pregnant with me, it was what they did back then.

I went on to suffer with childhood asthma and had yellow jaundice when born. Linked? No idea.

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

I have to confess that seeing anyone smoking around children (unborn or not) makes me sad.

Though it's not up to me to tell others how to live their lives.

Nita

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By *ink Panther.Woman over a year ago

Preston

Unfortunately an unborn foetus has no legal rights, however every effort is made to ensure that things are in place to protect any newborn from the moment it takes it's first breath. The amount of pregnant women that present with complexed social issues is ever increasing. In order to try and give these newborns a better chance, the government needs to fund a pre natal program which will help prevent a lot of defects babies are crippled with. It's about educating women not judging them helping them to make an informed choice that will increase the chance of a full term pregnancy and healthy newborn. I could go on forever here pointing you in the direction of research but think maybe this isn't the site for that lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So I get a private message giving me a mouth full but not got the guts to get my reply as they blocked me lol

Each to their own ..my children are all fine not a thing wrong with them what's so ever ..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There's always the classic smoking a fag whilst pushing a pram. Keep it classy girls

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm ready for a slating now

Like someone else said . It's more harmful to suddenly quit smoking then cutting down

Mom knows best.. as you said.. all kids are healthy. I too know many women who smoked through pregnancies and went to have healthy babies.

Well your the lucky ones.

I had a premature daughter nothing to do with smoking but I wouldn't want anyone to go through what we went through and can't see how you would risk it for a habit. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hugely, hugely selfish in my opinion. Smoking through a pregnancy when you know it could harm your baby is probably one of those things I'll never understand.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm ready for a slating now

Well done for admitting it. But a bloody selfish thing to do. "

Nothing to hide all my children are perfectly healthy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So I get a private message giving me a mouth full but not got the guts to get my reply as they blocked me lol

Each to their own ..my children are all fine not a thing wrong with them what's so ever .. "

You still put them at risk though. I think that's the point most don't agree with...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So I get a private message giving me a mouth full but not got the guts to get my reply as they blocked me lol

Each to their own ..my children are all fine not a thing wrong with them what's so ever .. "

..... at the moment.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So I get a private message giving me a mouth full but not got the guts to get my reply as they blocked me lol

Each to their own ..my children are all fine not a thing wrong with them what's so ever .. "

Report any abusive pm's as that's not on.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm judging, I think it's sad that a woman can't / won't give up when she's pregnant.

I wouldn't say anything as like you say it's nowt to do with me. Inside I'm doing this...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I gave up as soon as I found out I was pregnant with my oldest and I haven't smoked since. I didn't find it an issue going cold turkey. Unfortunately my ex didn't.

PTU xxx

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

So what are people's feelings about children breathing their exhaust fumes?

I don't think smoking while pregnant is a sensible thing to do but nearly all of us drive cars which contribute to the poor air quality in our major cities band towns, in turn contributing to childhood asthma and premature death in adults.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So what are people's feelings about children breathing their exhaust fumes?

Good point. Keep smoking ladies. Have some crack as well. Why not? The world is fucked anyway

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So what are people's feelings about children breathing their exhaust fumes?

I'd say the CO levels in your blood when you smoke are much higher than those in the air. I don't know the exact measurements but I'd say you can't compare the two.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So what are people's feelings about children breathing their exhaust fumes?

As an individual you can choose not to smoke.

Unless the world and its uncle joined the bandwagon, there is not much you can do about cars and their emissions.

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By *.1079 OP Man over a year ago

Lincolnshire

I suppose it's all about personal choice. I personally would do anything not to put my children at harm

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So what are people's feelings about children breathing their exhaust fumes?

I drive a car that doesn't contribute much to bad emissions so i am doing the best i can as i have to drive a car to get to work. I also did the best i could when pregnant and i didn't smoke nor do i now.

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By *opsy RogersWoman over a year ago

London

"People do all sorts of things which aren't good for them or their children, unborn and born. Legislation goes some of the way but there are still people smoking in cars with children.

There was a piece on a R4 programme last week about midwives testing for carbon monoxide and the anger this has caused as it is an indication of smoking, as well as faulty gas equipment.

The CO2 testing (and every other thing that's done) is purely voluntary but it is offered to every pregnant woman at booking.

Often the equipment is missing, broken or we simply don't have enough to go round.

Anybody living with the woman is welcome to have the test too as there is a push to support everyone to stop smoking.

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By *opsy RogersWoman over a year ago

London

The unborn child has no rights in law, once born, they do.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I gave up whilst pregnant with mine fortunately quite easilly.

I always find it odd, however, how men feel they are in a position to judge women and tell them what they should or shouldn't so whilst pregnant.

I always wonder how different societies' views (as a whole) would be if it were men who had to carry the babies.

No doubt they will profess that they would indeed give up this and that etc....obviously in reality we will never know

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So I get a private message giving me a mouth full but not got the guts to get my reply as they blocked me lol

Each to their own ..my children are all fine not a thing wrong with them what's so ever ..

..... at the moment. "

My eldest is 27 has never been in hospital my next is 26 and never been in hospital my next and my other 2 who are 16 and 9 have never been in hospital either

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So what are people's feelings about children breathing their exhaust fumes?

Yep ...and we don't complain we are not given masks for them to wear when we take them out to the park or outtings

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By *.1079 OP Man over a year ago

Lincolnshire

"I gave up whilst pregnant with mine fortunately quite easilly.

I always find it odd, however, how men feel they are in a position to judge women and tell them what they should or shouldn't so whilst pregnant.

I always wonder how different societies' views (as a whole) would be if it were men who had to carry the babies.

No doubt they will profess that they would indeed give up this and that etc....obviously in reality we will never know

Are you trying to say men are more likely to put there children at harm. But hey we will never know

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So I get a private message giving me a mouth full but not got the guts to get my reply as they blocked me lol

Each to their own ..my children are all fine not a thing wrong with them what's so ever ..

Report any abusive pm's as that's not on."

I have

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So what are people's feelings about children breathing their exhaust fumes?

There are lots of contributory factors to poor air quality.

For me the difference is someone is choosing to smoke that cigarette which they know may well have an impact on the health of their unborn child.

Someone cannot necessarily choose not to drive a car or live in a rural area with minimal pollution.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I gave up whilst pregnant with mine fortunately quite easilly.

I always find it odd, however, how men feel they are in a position to judge women and tell them what they should or shouldn't so whilst pregnant.

I always wonder how different societies' views (as a whole) would be if it were men who had to carry the babies.

No doubt they will profess that they would indeed give up this and that etc....obviously in reality we will never know

Are you trying to say men are more likely to put there children at harm. But hey we will never know

Feel free to re read my post and point out where I tried to say that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm judging, I think it's sad that a woman can't / won't give up when she's pregnant."

I agree completly! When i was pregnant i stopped everything that could be slightly harmful to the baby-i didnt even have mayo! How on earth women can smoke all through the pregnancy and think its fine is beyond me!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Personally I think it's all to do with where your priorities lie. My priorities lie soley with my children. You need will power and a strong personality to give up smoking. It shouldn't be a question you shouldn't even need to think about it once you have children. It isn't just a case of health it's a case of wealth as well.

PTU xxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So what are people's feelings about children breathing their exhaust fumes?

There are lots of contributory factors to poor air quality.

For me the difference is someone is choosing to smoke that cigarette which they know may well have an impact on the health of their unborn child.

Someone cannot necessarily choose not to drive a car or live in a rural area with minimal pollution."

Well said

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So I get a private message giving me a mouth full but not got the guts to get my reply as they blocked me lol

Each to their own ..my children are all fine not a thing wrong with them what's so ever ..

You still put them at risk though. I think that's the point most don't agree with..."

Like i said they are all very healthy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There's always the classic smoking a fag whilst pushing a pram. Keep it classy girls

What about dads? Always down to the mums/women isn't it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And how do you know that that particular woman was actually pregnant??

How do you know she may have not long given birth??

Miscarried?? Not all babies survive to term you know and many "pregnant" women have to give birth knowingly to a deceased baby.

She may have looked "heavilly pregnant" to you but you have no idea of her circumstances.

Please don't judge on appearances

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By *opsy RogersWoman over a year ago

London

"I don't like seeing it, i think it's selfish but that's just my opinion.

However, is it less stressful on baby to cut down on the amount you smoke or to go cold turkey when hormones all over the place? I don't know.

My mum smoke and drank (in moderation) when pregnant with me, it was what they did back then.

I went on to suffer with childhood asthma and had yellow jaundice when born. Linked? No idea."

It's highly likely your asthma is connected to your mothers smoking status and it depends on when you got jaundice (all jaundice is yellow). Physiological jaundice is normal a few days after birth as the body breaks down the excess red blood cells that the baby needs in utereo but not earthside.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm judging, I think it's sad that a woman can't / won't give up when she's pregnant.

Because they push the guilt to the back of their minds. Could be lack of education. Or they don't believe it will effect them.

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

I'm ready for a slating now

Mom knows best.. as you said.. all kids are healthy. I too know many women who smoked through pregnancies and went to have healthy babies. "

No, medical researchers know best.

One person saying they did it and nothing bad hapened proves nothing.

Statistically the children born from smoking mothers have more problems.

It should be illegal, the child is having it imposed upon it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So I get a private message giving me a mouth full but not got the guts to get my reply as they blocked me lol

Each to their own ..my children are all fine not a thing wrong with them what's so ever ..

You still put them at risk though. I think that's the point most don't agree with...

Like i said they are all very healthy "

You still took that risk, though. Like I said, I don't understand the thought process that goes along with someone who decides to smoke throughout a pregnancy when they know it could cause all manner of issues later in life.

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By *iSTARessWoman over a year ago

London

I'm a big believer in consent. The nipper has not consented. Rude.

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

"So I get a private message giving me a mouth full but not got the guts to get my reply as they blocked me lol

Each to their own ..my children are all fine not a thing wrong with them what's so ever ..

You still put them at risk though. I think that's the point most don't agree with...

Like i said they are all very healthy "

We drive round with no seat belts on our kids, they weren't injured, so there's the proof it's safe.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So I get a private message giving me a mouth full but not got the guts to get my reply as they blocked me lol

Each to their own ..my children are all fine not a thing wrong with them what's so ever ..

You still put them at risk though. I think that's the point most don't agree with...

Like i said they are all very healthy

They're obviously experts

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Its been proven to be connected with premature births.

But then people on oxygen still smoke. It's an addiction. "

Source please ?? had 6 kids smoked at the time not 1 was prem.

And know quite a few others who have also smoked and not one of those had prem babies

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Its been proven to be connected with premature births.

But then people on oxygen still smoke. It's an addiction.

Source please ?? had 6 kids smoked at the time not 1 was prem.

And know quite a few others who have also smoked and not one of those had prem babies "

Do a quick Google search and you'll find lots of medical evidence from reputable sources about how harmful it is to your children.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Let's put it in the perspective of a swingers site in a term I'm sure some of you are aware of. Russian roulette

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So I get a private message giving me a mouth full but not got the guts to get my reply as they blocked me lol

Each to their own ..my children are all fine not a thing wrong with them what's so ever ..

You still put them at risk though. I think that's the point most don't agree with..."

Do any of them smoke?

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By *.1079 OP Man over a year ago

Lincolnshire

And how do you know that that particular woman was actually pregnant??

How do you know she may have not long given birth??

Miscarried?? Not all babies survive to term you know and many "pregnant" women have to give birth knowingly to a deceased baby.

She may have looked "heavilly pregnant" to you but you have no idea of her circumstances.

Please don't judge on appearances

I'd did say I'm not judging and yes your right sometimes these horrible things can unforunfortunately happen to mums and sometimes these unfortunate things can be down to smoking it's a choice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

like the medical evidence that said years ago an apple a day .... then it was 5 a day ...... now its 10 a day

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By *FFB69Woman over a year ago

Torfaen/Gwent

How do you know she's not trying to quit? It's an addiction. And cutting down is better than going cold turkey when pregnant. The stress from cutting out totally can be just as bad for an unborn baby as smoking is.

So they recommend women cut down slowly and then quit rather than just cut out 100% in one go.

And anyway, it's none of anyones business what a women or anyone, does with their own body.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And how do you know that that particular woman was actually pregnant??

How do you know she may have not long given birth??

Miscarried?? Not all babies survive to term you know and many "pregnant" women have to give birth knowingly to a deceased baby.

She may have looked "heavilly pregnant" to you but you have no idea of her circumstances.

Please don't judge on appearances

I'd did say I'm not judging and yes your right sometimes these horrible things can unforunfortunately happen to mums and sometimes these unfortunate things can be down to smoking it's a choice."

I'd say the majority of miscarriages are nothing to do with smoking, especially late term miscarriages.

Just stop and think before you judge op, that's all

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

"like the medical evidence that said years ago an apple a day .... then it was 5 a day ...... now its 10 a day "

Yes, more is better. So in your expert opinion having blood containing nicotine and toxins won't affect the baby sharing it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm a big believer in consent. The nipper has not consented. Rude. "

That's because, agree or disagree, by law an unborn foetus (rightfully so in my opinion) does not have the same human rights as a live human

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

And anyway, it's none of anyones business what a women or anyone, does with their own body. "

Is it ok for them to damage the baby?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And anyway, it's none of anyones business what a women or anyone, does with their own body.

Is it ok for them to damage the baby?"

Without meaning to be a pompus scientific twat....it's a foetus whilst in the womb....baby after birth

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

And anyway, it's none of anyones business what a women or anyone, does with their own body.

Is it ok for them to damage the baby?

Without meaning to be a pompus scientific twat....it's a foetus whilst in the womb....baby after birth"

Is it ok for them to damage what you call a foetus, what I call an unborn baby?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And anyway, it's none of anyones business what a women or anyone, does with their own body.

Is it ok for them to damage the baby?

Without meaning to be a pompus scientific twat....it's a foetus whilst in the womb....baby after birth"

I'm not really sure the issue is whether to call a baby a foetus or a foetus a baby...

It's more of a question of why anyone would smoke when they know that it could cause a whole range of medical problems.

I wholeheartedly agree that it's personal choice, but don't then deny that if you smoke throughout a pregnancy that you're not taking a risk.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I still feel guilty now I've given up, 8 weeks Tuesday since I last had a cigarette and I'd smoked since I was 12, a whole 21 years

The money I haven't spent on fags have gone on jojo bows, new swimming bag, new bathers, new goggles, new leotard, new gymnastic shorts and scrunchie, new kickboxing hoody, gum shield, boxing gloves, foot guard, helmet and she's also been having gel nails got her finger and toenails every 2 weeks! That's guilt from stopping smoking now when I couldn't even do it when I was pregnant.

You have to be in the right mind frame to give up. I couldn't give up when I was pregnant because I was going through what I thought was a hard time as if just split with her father.

Last year and the beginning of this year I've gone through A LOT of shit so much so that I've become numb to everything and am eerily calm, also some overwhelming urge to be on this earth as long as possible to protect my child from all the shit people in her life, that's helped me give up!

I'd still give a filthy look to a pregnant woman smoking cos I'm judgemental as fuck, even though I did it myself, go figure!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I still feel guilty now I've given up, 8 weeks Tuesday since I last had a cigarette and I'd smoked since I was 12, a whole 21 years

You have to be in the right mind frame to give up. I couldn't give up when I was pregnant because I was going through what I thought was a hard time as if just split with her father.

I'd still give a filthy look to a pregnant woman smoking cos I'm judgemental as fuck, even though I did it myself, go figure! "

Da iawn for giving up!! I've managed a week so far....for the kids' sakes so going good

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By *ungBlackTopMan over a year ago

salford

LOL I love when people get on the moral high ground on this site....lol

for the record smoking's gross.

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By *eesideMan over a year ago

margate sumwear by the sea

"I personally think smoking should be banned full stop.

PTU xxx "

This ^^^^

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How do you know she's not trying to quit? It's an addiction. And cutting down is better than going cold turkey when pregnant. The stress from cutting out totally can be just as bad for an unborn baby as smoking is.

So they recommend women cut down slowly and then quit rather than just cut out 100% in one go.

And anyway, it's none of anyones business what a women or anyone, does with their own body. "

I disagree I went cold turkey with both smoking and drinking. People saying wean yourself off are just weak in my opinion.

PTU xxx

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By *opsy RogersWoman over a year ago

London

So they recommend women cut down slowly and then quit rather than just cut out 100% in one go.

And anyway, it's none of anyones business what a women or anyone, does with their own body. "

A common misconception based on not one ounce of research.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Also my daughter was born healthy and full term and 7lb 1oz which is a reasonable size for a girl, she has no medical problems and is super fit and healthy whereas my mum never smoked and my sister has chronic asthma, it doesn't make sense.

When I gave birth I was in theatre cos she was back to back and I had ventouse assisted delivery, I saw my placenta and it looked black in places, I was proper studying it cos it was disgusting and I asked if it was supposed to look like that and the doctor who delivered it said it was black in places cos I must've smoked during pregnancy

He said it would've filtered out most but not all the toxins from cigarette smoke.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Its been proven to be connected with premature births.

But then people on oxygen still smoke. It's an addiction.

Source please ?? had 6 kids smoked at the time not 1 was prem.

And know quite a few others who have also smoked and not one of those had prem babies "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Don't cross any roads either.

You could get run over by a bus

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Clearly a 'fruit the loop'. The woman not you OP. Should have gave her piece of your mind.

Like I say I'm not judging. I just find it strange they pass laws regarding smoking around children but not before there born."

Maybe the same law that says infanticide is illegal. Abortion is legal.

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

"Don't cross any roads either.

You could get run over by a bus

The pregnant smokers logic is they crossed the road with a pram without looking and didn't get knocked down, therefore proving it is safe for everybody to do it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Urgh!

It's just awful that just anyone is allowed to have a baby.

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By *orum TrollWoman over a year ago

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"So what are people's feelings about children breathing their exhaust fumes?

and buggies are the perfect height to absorb as much car fumes as possible. there was a campaign (years ago) to change this but nothing has happened.

as for smoking when pregnant. there are correlations between certain things. there's been a lot of research done as well. but, as always with smoking, these things do not happen in every pregnancy and so are not definite proofs.

but we're also learning more about how genetics affects drugs and the results of that, so getting closer to knowing who will be affected and how.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Don't cross any roads either.

You could get run over by a bus

The pregnant smokers logic is they crossed the road with a pram without looking and didn't get knocked down, therefore proving it is safe for everybody to do it."

If they can live with the fact they smoked when pregnant then that's fine with me.

Not like there my kids

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm judging, I think it's sad that a woman can't / won't give up when she's pregnant.

Some people are just plain selfish and will always put their needs before others, their own children included. These people will always justify that 'looks little johnnys ok even tho I smoked 50 a day and necked back 5 cans of Special Brew' Selfish fuckers. No other way to put it really.

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By *.1079 OP Man over a year ago

Lincolnshire

And how do you know that that particular woman was actually pregnant??

How do you know she may have not long given birth??

Miscarried?? Not all babies survive to term you know and many "pregnant" women have to give birth knowingly to a deceased baby.

She may have looked "heavilly pregnant" to you but you have no idea of her circumstances.

Please don't judge on appearances

I'd did say I'm not judging and yes your right sometimes these horrible things can unforunfortunately happen to mums and sometimes these unfortunate things can be down to smoking it's a choice.

I'd say the majority of miscarriages are nothing to do with smoking, especially late term miscarriages.

Just stop and think before you judge op, that's all

How many times do I have to say I'm not judging and it's personal choice to put your children in potential harm.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And how do you know that that particular woman was actually pregnant??

How do you know she may have not long given birth??

Miscarried?? Not all babies survive to term you know and many "pregnant" women have to give birth knowingly to a deceased baby.

She may have looked "heavilly pregnant" to you but you have no idea of her circumstances.

Please don't judge on appearances

I'd did say I'm not judging and yes your right sometimes these horrible things can unforunfortunately happen to mums and sometimes these unfortunate things can be down to smoking it's a choice.

I'd say the majority of miscarriages are nothing to do with smoking, especially late term miscarriages.

Just stop and think before you judge op, that's all

How many times do I have to say I'm not judging and it's personal choice to put your children in potential harm."

You judged her to be "heavilly pregnant"

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By *orum TrollWoman over a year ago

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if people understood addictions, not just personal circumstances but the brain and body and everything that contributes to addiction, then they'd understand why addictions, although illegal, are not always crimes and there is legally allowed support out there for people needing help with mental health as well as addiction.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have known women who have smoked and drank throughout pregnancy. Their kids were born with serious issues. One had a defective kidney. It was attributed to smoking and drinking. The women feel guilty every day. I know many smokers and drinkers give birth to perfectly healthy children. I never judge, but is it worth the risk.

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple over a year ago

Bedworth

I have a very low opinion of pregnant women who indulge in practices which may harm their child, including smoking, taking drugs and drinking alcohol.

Having children is a privilege that many would sell their soul for. It's our duty to do everything that we can to protect the child, from the moment of conception.

One thing that infuriated me when my ex husband and I were trying to have a baby. We sought ivf from the NHS after having 5 miscarriages in 3 years and 2 years of unexplained secondary infertility. We were denied treatment due to me being too fat (I was told to lose 5 stone in 3 months, before my 35th birthday to be eligible to go on the waiting list) but found out that the treatment would be given to smokers!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Tbh guys. If experts can't convince the silly ones to stop being daft. Then what chance do we have. Be thankful that those that did the deed, had "healthy" children. Whilst remembering those that weren't quite so lucky or face medical issues in the future. Peace

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By *appyplastererMan over a year ago

birmingham

Hi all. I dont believe anything unless seen with my own eyes. Do you believe google and propaganda. Spelling police dont shoot.

If im to go to the doctor. I have to tell him whats wrong with me first. Bad feet=smoking. Headache=smoking. Copd=smoking. Nothing to do with what i breathe or eat or drink to stay alive. Stay away from the gp. Go to the vets.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What next though?.

How about banning bacon, skiing, running, McDonalds, sex!.

Why do we always insist on getting involved in other peoples lives.

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By *.1079 OP Man over a year ago

Lincolnshire

And how do you know that that particular woman was actually pregnant??

How do you know she may have not long given birth??

Miscarried?? Not all babies survive to term you know and many "pregnant" women have to give birth knowingly to a deceased baby.

She may have looked "heavilly pregnant" to you but you have no idea of her circumstances.

Please don't judge on appearances

I'd did say I'm not judging and yes your right sometimes these horrible things can unforunfortunately happen to mums and sometimes these unfortunate things can be down to smoking it's a choice.

I'd say the majority of miscarriages are nothing to do with smoking, especially late term miscarriages.

Just stop and think before you judge op, that's all

How many times do I have to say I'm not judging and it's personal choice to put your children in potential harm.

You judged her to be "heavilly pregnant""

Yeah your right sorry she might have just been fat.

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By *.1079 OP Man over a year ago

Lincolnshire

"I have known women who have smoked and drank throughout pregnancy. Their kids were born with serious issues. One had a defective kidney. It was attributed to smoking and drinking. The women feel guilty every day. I know many smokers and drinkers give birth to perfectly healthy children. I never judge, but is it worth the risk. "

This is what I was saying.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And how do you know that that particular woman was actually pregnant??

How do you know she may have not long given birth??

Miscarried?? Not all babies survive to term you know and many "pregnant" women have to give birth knowingly to a deceased baby.

She may have looked "heavilly pregnant" to you but you have no idea of her circumstances.

Please don't judge on appearances

I'd did say I'm not judging and yes your right sometimes these horrible things can unforunfortunately happen to mums and sometimes these unfortunate things can be down to smoking it's a choice.

I'd say the majority of miscarriages are nothing to do with smoking, especially late term miscarriages.

Just stop and think before you judge op, that's all

How many times do I have to say I'm not judging and it's personal choice to put your children in potential harm.

You judged her to be "heavilly pregnant"

Yeah your right sorry she might have just been fat.

Or she may have just given birth.

Just lost a baby etc....

If you'd read my previous post quoting yours, you'd have a bit of a better understanding

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By *orum TrollWoman over a year ago

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"I have a very low opinion of pregnant women who indulge in practices which may harm their child, including smoking, taking drugs and drinking alcohol.

Having children is a privilege that many would sell their soul for. It's our duty to do everything that we can to protect the child, from the moment of conception.

although that's a shame for you they know being overweight affects your chances, whereas smoking does not. i'm sure anti-smoking doctors also were not happy with this decision but often with choices like this they do take the most logical/less risk options.

being overweight also affects the monitoring of the baby if you should get pregnant.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What next though?.

How about banning bacon, skiing, running, McDonalds, sex!.

Why do we always insist on getting involved in other peoples lives.

Exactly this

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By *.1079 OP Man over a year ago

Lincolnshire

"What next though?.

How about banning bacon, skiing, running, McDonalds, sex!.

Why do we always insist on getting involved in other peoples lives.

Exactly this

Yeah because bacon and running etc has been medically proven to harm unborn babies. Common sense comes to mind.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm an anti smoker.

It's the long term effects.

My mum smoked for years but not heavy

She's now got COPD and is dependent on oxygen. Can't shower herself and constantly getting chest infections

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What next though?.

How about banning bacon, skiing, running, McDonalds, sex!.

Why do we always insist on getting involved in other peoples lives.

Exactly this

Yeah because bacon and running etc has been medically proven to harm unborn babies. Common sense comes to mind."

It's tongue in cheek

He's basically saying people should keep their snouts out of other people's lives and I agree with him

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By *.1079 OP Man over a year ago

Lincolnshire

"What next though?.

How about banning bacon, skiing, running, McDonalds, sex!.

Why do we always insist on getting involved in other peoples lives.

Exactly this

Yeah because bacon and running etc has been medically proven to harm unborn babies. Common sense comes to mind.

It's tongue in cheek

He's basically saying people should keep their snouts out of other people's lives and I agree with him

I agree I think you will find I originally said I find it strange that it's against the law to smoke in a car with children and not to smoke when your pregnant. I have never judged anyone

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm ready for a slating now

Well done for admitting it. But a bloody selfish thing to do.

Nothing to hide all my children are perfectly healthy "

You never know what the future holds, its been proven smoking while pregnant can contribute towards fertility problems, so if in the future any of your children have problems in that department or have miscarriages etc it could be down to smoking, its not just low birth weight, asthma and childhood illnesses it affects

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am judgemental towards pregnant women smoking! I've seen the effects it can have on a baby and also a pre term baby.

It's called being selfish, putting your needs before the unborn child (neglect) even though until the baby is born it has no rights.

The same goes for taking drugs whilst pregnant, once you have heard the cry of a child that's weaning of drugs it will make you very intolerant to drug use.

Babies also who have been exposed to smoking in the womb are more unsettled due to coming off nicotine.

It's wrong simple as that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have a very low opinion of pregnant women who indulge in practices which may harm their child, including smoking, taking drugs and drinking alcohol.

Having children is a privilege that many would sell their soul for. It's our duty to do everything that we can to protect the child, from the moment of conception.

I understand how you feel as ive been through this with my daugher, she had to have a hysterectomy when she was 18 so no chance of IVF, so she went for surrogacy, after 3 years on the list a wonderful woman chose her, they did IVF with my daughers eggs which they removed after the hysterectomy and her partners sperm, everything went perfectly and is now expecting twin boys in July

I remember being out shopping one day with her and seeing a pregnant woman smoking and my daugher was nearly in tears saying it was unfair that somebody who don't care about their childs health could have a kid yet her who has never smoked ( i never smoked while pregnant either) has to go through what she was, it can be quite emotional for people in situations like yours, even if people say its none of your buisness we are only human and some things that don't concern us still hurt x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What next though?.

How about banning bacon, skiing, running, McDonalds, sex!.

Why do we always insist on getting involved in other peoples lives.

Cos they quite clearly aren't getting enough sex so therefore are bored and need something to moan about.

P.s I gave up smoking when I found out I was pregnant (was a surprise) with my first daughter 17 yrs ago.

Yes it's not nice seeing pregnant women smoking but who the fuck am I to judge!?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm ready for a slating now

Well done for admitting it. But a bloody selfish thing to do.

Nothing to hide all my children are perfectly healthy

Both my eldest children choose not to have children themselves until they are in a better position to..and my other 2 are 2 young and to be honest ..my mum ..my nan ..my great nan ..and no great great nan and so on all smoked ..my mum is one of 8 children again all healthy and so are their children

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm ready for a slating now "

I always said that I'd stop if I fell pregnant, but saying it and being able to do it were 2 different things and I smoked during all 3 pregnancies. My daughter (oldest) is my height, my 13 year old is 6.1 and my 8 year old is 4.11.

They all went full term, then some, and were 8lbs 10.5oz, 9lbs and 10lbs 8oz at birth.

Other than my daughter recently being in hospital with scarlett fever and then getting her tonsils removed, and my youngest breaking his leg just before his 3rd Birthday, they've never had any health issues other than colds or sickness bugs which every child suffers with.

So yeah, plenty of mums to be do it, and while it may not be right, there are certainly a lot worse things that could be done during pregnancy x

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I'm ready for a slating now

Well done for admitting it. But a bloody selfish thing to do.

Nothing to hide all my children are perfectly healthy

You don't see the pattern here?

Your family may be genetically predisposed to not being adversely affected by smoking but you all beget another generation of smokers in an unbroken chain. It's not illegal but it's not healthy for most people and your smoking doesn't affect just you or your children.

It is your choice but repeated posting that it has done no one in your family any harm isn't going to change the opinion of those who see harm in smoking.

I hope you and your family continue in good health.

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

"What next though?.

How about banning bacon, skiing, running, McDonalds, sex!.

Why do we always insist on getting involved in other peoples lives.

Exactly this

Yes, absolutely, people can do what they want with their own lives. Smoking while pregnant isn't about your life, it is about the health of somebody elses life - the baby.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm ready for a slating now

Well done for admitting it. But a bloody selfish thing to do.

Nothing to hide all my children are perfectly healthy

You don't see the pattern here?

It is your choice but repeated posting that it has done no one in your family any harm isn't going to change the opinion of those who see harm in smoking.

I hope you and your family continue in good health.

Lots of people who smoke all their life never get cancer but that does not mean it's not harmful, it just means some get lucky, like some women who smoke while pregnant do

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By *oachman 9CoolMan over a year ago

derby

"If they cant stop all the crxxk n smxxk baby's being born that is properly illegal how can the do any thing other than give out information and hope people take it on board ..."
Well its 10 years since the smokeing ban came in force to stop folk from smokeing in doors on july 1st I can clearly remember before that ban came into force what it was like it was one of the best things ever that could happen.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm ready for a slating now "

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By *gnitemybodyWoman over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor

Clearly a 'fruit the loop'. The woman not you OP. Should have gave her piece of your mind.

Like I say I'm not judging. I just find it strange they pass laws regarding smoking around children but not before there born."

I'll judge then,it sickens me to see pregnant women smoking.

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By *reakbedsnotheartsMan over a year ago

bedford

Clearly a 'fruit the loop'. The woman not you OP. Should have gave her piece of your mind.

Like I say I'm not judging. I just find it strange they pass laws regarding smoking around children but not before there born.

I'll judge then,it sickens me to see pregnant women smoking."

smokeing while preg starves oxygen to the baby its so wrong

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By *itsmcgee4Couple over a year ago

Central

For all those who smoke through their pregnancies and now have healthy children (which proves nothing) - yaaay you, well done, you gambled with your children's health for a fag and got lucky

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Cunt cunt cunt. My mother smoked while pregnant with me. I have tiny lungs, I was premature, I've suffered my whole life. Fucking bitch smoking, take her baby off her.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

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By *orum TrollWoman over a year ago

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"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed"

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things.

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By *itsmcgee4Couple over a year ago

Central

"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things."

Addiction is in the mind.. its a way for weak people to make themselves feel better.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things."

Any GP or midwife will advise you to stop smoking so clearly the medical profession think the trauma of stopping smoking out weights the risks of carrying on

And anybody who replays saying their midwife said it was ok to smoke while pregnant is a liar

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By *orum TrollWoman over a year ago

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"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things.

Addiction is in the mind.. its a way for weak people to make themselves feel better..... "

and what are you if you're not your mind?

nah, most people who are addicts are not weak, they've been abused, by other people and the system itself.

they're just trying to survive, like you, yet they've had huge hurdles to overcome without any support and so they support themselves and give themselves relief by taking drugs.

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By *orum TrollWoman over a year ago

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"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things.

Any GP or midwife will advise you to stop smoking so clearly the medical profession think the trauma of stopping smoking out weights the risks of carrying on

And anybody who replays saying their midwife said it was ok to smoke while pregnant is a liar

if they try to do that by shaming someone then they are useless as a form of support to an addict then and should remove themselves from the situation until they become more educated on addictions.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things.

Addiction is in the mind.. its a way for weak people to make themselves feel better.....

and what are you if you're not your mind?

nah, most people who are addicts are not weak, they've been abused, by other people and the system itself.

they're just trying to survive, like you, yet they've had huge hurdles to overcome without any support and so they support themselves and give themselves relief by taking drugs."

Like I said weak people..

Some choose to use tough times in their life to make themselves stronger

Others cant cope and use drugs and alcohol to block it out...

Which in my eyes is weak and cowardly

Dp you have sympathy for drug users? At some point in their life they wasnt addicted.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things.

Any GP or midwife will advise you to stop smoking so clearly the medical profession think the trauma of stopping smoking out weights the risks of carrying on

And anybody who replays saying their midwife said it was ok to smoke while pregnant is a liar

if they try to do that by shaming someone then they are useless as a form of support to an addict then and should remove themselves from the situation until they become more educated on addictions."

Advising somebody to stop smoking while pregnant is hardly shaming them its giving them advise, that's what GPS and midwifes do

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things.

Addiction is in the mind.. its a way for weak people to make themselves feel better.....

and what are you if you're not your mind?

nah, most people who are addicts are not weak, they've been abused, by other people and the system itself.

they're just trying to survive, like you, yet they've had huge hurdles to overcome without any support and so they support themselves and give themselves relief by taking drugs."

Addiction is in the mind and a way for weak people to make themselves feel better?? Oh my god that's a complete load of rubbish!

And to say it's well known to anyone that educates themselves on such things???

Maybe you should shoot the person that gave you a load of untrue nonsense

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By *orum TrollWoman over a year ago

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"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things.

Addiction is in the mind.. its a way for weak people to make themselves feel better.....

and what are you if you're not your mind?

nah, most people who are addicts are not weak, they've been abused, by other people and the system itself.

they're just trying to survive, like you, yet they've had huge hurdles to overcome without any support and so they support themselves and give themselves relief by taking drugs.

Like I said weak people..

Some choose to use tough times in their life to make themselves stronger

Others cant cope and use drugs and alcohol to block it out...

Which in my eyes is weak and cowardly

Dp you have sympathy for drug users? At some point in their life they wasnt addicted."

there's nothing wrong with being weak, anyone will have moments in their life when they are so.

after that, they'll get over it, or have support that helps them to. but without the proper coping mechanisms being given to them (whether genetically, physically, or emotionally) then of course they will remain 'weak'...or unable to move forward into a safe place.

and this is how you'll get the weak that nobody really gives a shit about...and to add to their suffering you will get people slagging them off for having their own feelings, thoughts, and 'weak' personality.

i don't have sympathy for drug users exactly, i do understand they are not usually coming from a place where everything is ok in their world and they often don't know how to cope more productively. and even if they do drug addiction is not that simple anyway. it is them craving something that they cannot get by usual means.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Cunt cunt cunt. My mother smoked while pregnant with me. I have tiny lungs, I was premature, I've suffered my whole life. Fucking bitch smoking, take her baby off her. "

I think you need to let your feelings out more, we're not too sure what you think

Must say I'd be the same though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things.

Addiction is in the mind.. its a way for weak people to make themselves feel better.....

and what are you if you're not your mind?

nah, most people who are addicts are not weak, they've been abused, by other people and the system itself.

they're just trying to survive, like you, yet they've had huge hurdles to overcome without any support and so they support themselves and give themselves relief by taking drugs.

Addiction is in the mind and a way for weak people to make themselves feel better?? Oh my god that's a complete load of rubbish!

And to say it's well known to anyone that educates themselves on such things???

Maybe you should shoot the person that gave you a load of untrue nonsense

I dont need anyone to give me information.. i say what i see and growing up in a run down area of birmingham ive seen my fair share of addicts.. drug users.. alcoholics even down to gambling addicts.... if you want to stop you can

If you dont like my opinion why dont you go and get some of your own

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things.

Addiction is in the mind.. its a way for weak people to make themselves feel better.....

and what are you if you're not your mind?

nah, most people who are addicts are not weak, they've been abused, by other people and the system itself.

they're just trying to survive, like you, yet they've had huge hurdles to overcome without any support and so they support themselves and give themselves relief by taking drugs.

Like I said weak people..

Some choose to use tough times in their life to make themselves stronger

Others cant cope and use drugs and alcohol to block it out...

Which in my eyes is weak and cowardly

Dp you have sympathy for drug users? At some point in their life they wasnt addicted."

So my friend who battled through an eating disorder and recovered then to find her husband dead on the bathroom floor at 32 and found herself alone with two kids (one not even a year old) is weak because she developed a drinking problem ??

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By *orum TrollWoman over a year ago

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"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things.

Addiction is in the mind.. its a way for weak people to make themselves feel better.....

and what are you if you're not your mind?

nah, most people who are addicts are not weak, they've been abused, by other people and the system itself.

they're just trying to survive, like you, yet they've had huge hurdles to overcome without any support and so they support themselves and give themselves relief by taking drugs.

Addiction is in the mind and a way for weak people to make themselves feel better?? Oh my god that's a complete load of rubbish!

And to say it's well known to anyone that educates themselves on such things???

Maybe you should shoot the person that gave you a load of untrue nonsense

your reply says nothing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things.

Addiction is in the mind.. its a way for weak people to make themselves feel better.....

and what are you if you're not your mind?

nah, most people who are addicts are not weak, they've been abused, by other people and the system itself.

they're just trying to survive, like you, yet they've had huge hurdles to overcome without any support and so they support themselves and give themselves relief by taking drugs.

Like I said weak people..

Some choose to use tough times in their life to make themselves stronger

Others cant cope and use drugs and alcohol to block it out...

Which in my eyes is weak and cowardly

Dp you have sympathy for drug users? At some point in their life they wasnt addicted.

Why turn to drink? What does it achive?... do all single mothers have drink problems. I think not

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By *iffaWoman over a year ago

wherever

I read a report recently that being overweight has the same if not more bad effects during pregnancy. How would that be policed?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things.

Addiction is in the mind.. its a way for weak people to make themselves feel better.....

and what are you if you're not your mind?

nah, most people who are addicts are not weak, they've been abused, by other people and the system itself.

they're just trying to survive, like you, yet they've had huge hurdles to overcome without any support and so they support themselves and give themselves relief by taking drugs.

Like I said weak people..

Some choose to use tough times in their life to make themselves stronger

Others cant cope and use drugs and alcohol to block it out...

Which in my eyes is weak and cowardly

Dp you have sympathy for drug users? At some point in their life they wasnt addicted.

Why turn to drink? What does it achive?... do all single mothers have drink problems. I think not"

She was struggling to deal with the trauma and already had mental health problems (eating disorder ) and I assume the alcohol helped block out the pain. And finding your dead husband isn't quite as simple as 'being a single mother ' .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things.

Addiction is in the mind.. its a way for weak people to make themselves feel better.....

and what are you if you're not your mind?

nah, most people who are addicts are not weak, they've been abused, by other people and the system itself.

they're just trying to survive, like you, yet they've had huge hurdles to overcome without any support and so they support themselves and give themselves relief by taking drugs.

Like I said weak people..

Some choose to use tough times in their life to make themselves stronger

Others cant cope and use drugs and alcohol to block it out...

Which in my eyes is weak and cowardly

Dp you have sympathy for drug users? At some point in their life they wasnt addicted.

Why turn to drink? What does it achive?... do all single mothers have drink problems. I think not

Im not intrested in your friend...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things.

Addiction is in the mind.. its a way for weak people to make themselves feel better.....

and what are you if you're not your mind?

nah, most people who are addicts are not weak, they've been abused, by other people and the system itself.

they're just trying to survive, like you, yet they've had huge hurdles to overcome without any support and so they support themselves and give themselves relief by taking drugs.

Like I said weak people..

Some choose to use tough times in their life to make themselves stronger

Others cant cope and use drugs and alcohol to block it out...

Which in my eyes is weak and cowardly

Dp you have sympathy for drug users? At some point in their life they wasnt addicted.

Why turn to drink? What does it achive?... do all single mothers have drink problems. I think not"

Oh come on Liam, surely you realise that people go through such traumatic experiences that they turn to drink and drugs. It's not weak, they're not cowards, it's life.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things.

Addiction is in the mind.. its a way for weak people to make themselves feel better.....

and what are you if you're not your mind?

nah, most people who are addicts are not weak, they've been abused, by other people and the system itself.

they're just trying to survive, like you, yet they've had huge hurdles to overcome without any support and so they support themselves and give themselves relief by taking drugs.

Like I said weak people..

Some choose to use tough times in their life to make themselves stronger

Others cant cope and use drugs and alcohol to block it out...

Which in my eyes is weak and cowardly

Dp you have sympathy for drug users? At some point in their life they wasnt addicted.

Why turn to drink? What does it achive?... do all single mothers have drink problems. I think not

Im not intrested in your friend...

"
strange that you responded then isn't it . I don't think that you aren't interested in her , you just aren't interested in any opinion that goes against yours

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things.

Addiction is in the mind.. its a way for weak people to make themselves feel better.....

and what are you if you're not your mind?

nah, most people who are addicts are not weak, they've been abused, by other people and the system itself.

they're just trying to survive, like you, yet they've had huge hurdles to overcome without any support and so they support themselves and give themselves relief by taking drugs.

Like I said weak people..

Some choose to use tough times in their life to make themselves stronger

Others cant cope and use drugs and alcohol to block it out...

Which in my eyes is weak and cowardly

Dp you have sympathy for drug users? At some point in their life they wasnt addicted.

Why turn to drink? What does it achive?... do all single mothers have drink problems. I think not"

No but everybody copes differently

My dad was an alcoholic me and my sister was taken into care when we was young because of this, even when he lost his kids he made no effort to stop drinking and get us back

There isn't anything I wouldn't do for my kids, no way would I put drink before my children but we aren't all of the same mind or act the same

People cope with things in their own way

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things.

Addiction is in the mind.. its a way for weak people to make themselves feel better.....

and what are you if you're not your mind?

nah, most people who are addicts are not weak, they've been abused, by other people and the system itself.

they're just trying to survive, like you, yet they've had huge hurdles to overcome without any support and so they support themselves and give themselves relief by taking drugs.

Like I said weak people..

Some choose to use tough times in their life to make themselves stronger

Others cant cope and use drugs and alcohol to block it out...

Which in my eyes is weak and cowardly

Dp you have sympathy for drug users? At some point in their life they wasnt addicted.

Why turn to drink? What does it achive?... do all single mothers have drink problems. I think not

Oh come on Liam, surely you realise that people go through such traumatic experiences that they turn to drink and drugs. It's not weak, they're not cowards, it's life. "

Its a weak thing to do.. turn to drugs.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things.

Addiction is in the mind.. its a way for weak people to make themselves feel better.....

and what are you if you're not your mind?

nah, most people who are addicts are not weak, they've been abused, by other people and the system itself.

they're just trying to survive, like you, yet they've had huge hurdles to overcome without any support and so they support themselves and give themselves relief by taking drugs.

Like I said weak people..

Some choose to use tough times in their life to make themselves stronger

Others cant cope and use drugs and alcohol to block it out...

Which in my eyes is weak and cowardly

Dp you have sympathy for drug users? At some point in their life they wasnt addicted.

Why turn to drink? What does it achive?... do all single mothers have drink problems. I think not

Im not intrested in your friend...

Not interested in a lot tonight are you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things.

Addiction is in the mind.. its a way for weak people to make themselves feel better.....

and what are you if you're not your mind?

nah, most people who are addicts are not weak, they've been abused, by other people and the system itself.

they're just trying to survive, like you, yet they've had huge hurdles to overcome without any support and so they support themselves and give themselves relief by taking drugs.

Like I said weak people..

Some choose to use tough times in their life to make themselves stronger

Others cant cope and use drugs and alcohol to block it out...

Which in my eyes is weak and cowardly

Dp you have sympathy for drug users? At some point in their life they wasnt addicted.

Why turn to drink? What does it achive?... do all single mothers have drink problems. I think not

No but everybody copes differently

My dad was an alcoholic me and my sister was taken into care when we was young because of this, even when he lost his kids he made no effort to stop drinking and get us back

There isn't anything I wouldn't do for my kids, no way would I put drink before my children but we aren't all of the same mind or act the same

People cope with things in their own way "

That is my point though? You dad was weak minded.. you are clearly not

I have no sympathy for anyone who does that

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

The example above is very specific. What about those who just carry on because they like smoking and giving up is hard?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things.

Addiction is in the mind.. its a way for weak people to make themselves feel better.....

and what are you if you're not your mind?

nah, most people who are addicts are not weak, they've been abused, by other people and the system itself.

they're just trying to survive, like you, yet they've had huge hurdles to overcome without any support and so they support themselves and give themselves relief by taking drugs.

Like I said weak people..

Some choose to use tough times in their life to make themselves stronger

Others cant cope and use drugs and alcohol to block it out...

Which in my eyes is weak and cowardly

Dp you have sympathy for drug users? At some point in their life they wasnt addicted.

Why turn to drink? What does it achive?... do all single mothers have drink problems. I think not

Oh come on Liam, surely you realise that people go through such traumatic experiences that they turn to drink and drugs. It's not weak, they're not cowards, it's life.

Its a weak thing to do.. turn to drugs.

Nah, it's not.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things.

Addiction is in the mind.. its a way for weak people to make themselves feel better.....

and what are you if you're not your mind?

nah, most people who are addicts are not weak, they've been abused, by other people and the system itself.

they're just trying to survive, like you, yet they've had huge hurdles to overcome without any support and so they support themselves and give themselves relief by taking drugs.

Like I said weak people..

Some choose to use tough times in their life to make themselves stronger

Others cant cope and use drugs and alcohol to block it out...

Which in my eyes is weak and cowardly

Dp you have sympathy for drug users? At some point in their life they wasnt addicted.

Why turn to drink? What does it achive?... do all single mothers have drink problems. I think not

Im not intrested in your friend...

Not interested in a lot tonight are you

Why would i care about her friend? We all could pick out people and tell their storys like you just did with your dad

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things.

Addiction is in the mind.. its a way for weak people to make themselves feel better.....

and what are you if you're not your mind?

nah, most people who are addicts are not weak, they've been abused, by other people and the system itself.

they're just trying to survive, like you, yet they've had huge hurdles to overcome without any support and so they support themselves and give themselves relief by taking drugs.

Like I said weak people..

Some choose to use tough times in their life to make themselves stronger

Others cant cope and use drugs and alcohol to block it out...

Which in my eyes is weak and cowardly

Dp you have sympathy for drug users? At some point in their life they wasnt addicted.

Why turn to drink? What does it achive?... do all single mothers have drink problems. I think not

Oh come on Liam, surely you realise that people go through such traumatic experiences that they turn to drink and drugs. It's not weak, they're not cowards, it's life.

Its a weak thing to do.. turn to drugs.

Nah, it's not. "

What is it then

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things.

Addiction is in the mind.. its a way for weak people to make themselves feel better.....

and what are you if you're not your mind?

nah, most people who are addicts are not weak, they've been abused, by other people and the system itself.

they're just trying to survive, like you, yet they've had huge hurdles to overcome without any support and so they support themselves and give themselves relief by taking drugs.

Like I said weak people..

Some choose to use tough times in their life to make themselves stronger

Others cant cope and use drugs and alcohol to block it out...

Which in my eyes is weak and cowardly

Dp you have sympathy for drug users? At some point in their life they wasnt addicted.

Why turn to drink? What does it achive?... do all single mothers have drink problems. I think not

Im not intrested in your friend...

Not interested in a lot tonight are you

Why would i care about her friend? We all could pick out people and tell their storys like you just did with your dad"

I didn't actually ask you to 'care about her ' I was giving you an example of why someone may develop an addiction

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things.

Addiction is in the mind.. its a way for weak people to make themselves feel better.....

and what are you if you're not your mind?

nah, most people who are addicts are not weak, they've been abused, by other people and the system itself.

they're just trying to survive, like you, yet they've had huge hurdles to overcome without any support and so they support themselves and give themselves relief by taking drugs.

Like I said weak people..

Some choose to use tough times in their life to make themselves stronger

Others cant cope and use drugs and alcohol to block it out...

Which in my eyes is weak and cowardly

Dp you have sympathy for drug users? At some point in their life they wasnt addicted.

Why turn to drink? What does it achive?... do all single mothers have drink problems. I think not

Im not intrested in your friend...

Not interested in a lot tonight are you

Why would i care about her friend? We all could pick out people and tell their storys like you just did with your dad"

Why would you care about anything said on here, you don't know any of us so why does anything we say have any interest to you? Yet here you are joining in the thread

Just seems a little rude to me to join in a conversation and keep telling people you don't care when they reply

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I read a report recently that being overweight has the same if not more bad effects during pregnancy. How would that be policed?"

Pregnancy isn't policed but midwives / GP's would encourage a healthy eating programme.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think a few mother's smoked before giving before to a few posters on here.

Damaged brain cells maybe

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things.

Addiction is in the mind.. its a way for weak people to make themselves feel better.....

and what are you if you're not your mind?

nah, most people who are addicts are not weak, they've been abused, by other people and the system itself.

they're just trying to survive, like you, yet they've had huge hurdles to overcome without any support and so they support themselves and give themselves relief by taking drugs.

Like I said weak people..

Some choose to use tough times in their life to make themselves stronger

Others cant cope and use drugs and alcohol to block it out...

Which in my eyes is weak and cowardly

Dp you have sympathy for drug users? At some point in their life they wasnt addicted.

Why turn to drink? What does it achive?... do all single mothers have drink problems. I think not

Im not intrested in your friend...

Not interested in a lot tonight are you

Why would i care about her friend? We all could pick out people and tell their storys like you just did with your dad

Why would you care about anything said on here, you don't know any of us so why does anything we say have any interest to you? Yet here you are joining in the thread

Just seems a little rude to me to join in a conversation and keep telling people you don't care when they reply "
great so im rude.. next

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By *orum TrollWoman over a year ago

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"Its a weak thing to do.. turn to drugs.

Nah, it's not.

What is it then"

it's a coping mechanism.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I read a report recently that being overweight has the same if not more bad effects during pregnancy. How would that be policed?

Pregnancy isn't policed but midwives / GP's would encourage a healthy eating programme.

And a high BMI results in more monitoring and tests for gestational diabetes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Its a weak thing to do.. turn to drugs.

Nah, it's not.

What is it then

it's a coping mechanism."

Its an excuse

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think a few mother's smoked before giving before to a few posters on here.

Damaged brain cells maybe

*Birth

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By *orum TrollWoman over a year ago

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"I read a report recently that being overweight has the same if not more bad effects during pregnancy. How would that be policed?"

they can't do that. they can't police anything and just have to put up with the after effects and cope with them instead.

the advice is to become the peak of your health 3 months before even trying for a baby. i doubt hardly anyone does that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you've never been addicted to anything you'll never appreciate how hard it is to cope without it.

On the flip side some people are fighting addiction on a daily basis so it can be done if the willpower and sense of worth is there.

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

"I read a report recently that being overweight has the same if not more bad effects during pregnancy. How would that be policed?

they can't do that. they can't police anything and just have to put up with the after effects and cope with them instead.

the advice is to become the peak of your health 3 months before even trying for a baby. i doubt hardly anyone does that."

Why wouldn't you do everything possible to give the most preciuos thing in your life the best opportunity for health?

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By *orum TrollWoman over a year ago

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"Its a weak thing to do.. turn to drugs.

Nah, it's not.

What is it then

it's a coping mechanism.

Its an excuse"

as an ex alcholic, who also struggles with sex addiction, i'm well aware they are coping mechanisms.

giving up alcohol, easy enough once i found out i was pregnant, as was smoking. but i'm still a smoker now i can be and craved smoking all the time i gave up.

so i can give up things, the craving never goes away for me as i haven't found out a way to replace those urges yet. maybe i never will if i cannot rewire my brain to do so.

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By *gnitemybodyWoman over a year ago

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"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things.

Addiction is in the mind.. its a way for weak people to make themselves feel better.....

and what are you if you're not your mind?

nah, most people who are addicts are not weak, they've been abused, by other people and the system itself.

they're just trying to survive, like you, yet they've had huge hurdles to overcome without any support and so they support themselves and give themselves relief by taking drugs."

So most people who smoke have been abused?

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By *icplshropsCouple over a year ago

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"Its been proven to be connected with premature births.

But then people on oxygen still smoke. It's an addiction. "

Probably a factor, but I have known mothers whom have smoked throughout and had good pregnancies. Whereas with me, I had 2 premature births (6 weeks and 8 weeks early) and have never smoked. Funnily, when the doctor and students were doing their rounds in special care, the doctor always remarked that I was a 'no smoking mother'. Personally, I think it's very selfish, but understand that it's an addiction and more support should be out there to give up.

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By *orum TrollWoman over a year ago

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"I read a report recently that being overweight has the same if not more bad effects during pregnancy. How would that be policed?

they can't do that. they can't police anything and just have to put up with the after effects and cope with them instead.

the advice is to become the peak of your health 3 months before even trying for a baby. i doubt hardly anyone does that.

Why wouldn't you do everything possible to give the most preciuos thing in your life the best opportunity for health?"

most people don't do the best for themselves as they've been told not to.

don't be entitled, else you're an entitled prick...well wouldn't you feel like you should be entitled to the best for yourself? why would society say you shouldn't be also?

this is so complicated an issue and it isn't down to one thing only but society tells you you are not entitled to the best of anything and that includes the best you that you could be.

if you could do anything with your life, without restrictions, would you?

can you even imagine not being restricted?

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By *orum TrollWoman over a year ago

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"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things.

Addiction is in the mind.. its a way for weak people to make themselves feel better.....

and what are you if you're not your mind?

nah, most people who are addicts are not weak, they've been abused, by other people and the system itself.

they're just trying to survive, like you, yet they've had huge hurdles to overcome without any support and so they support themselves and give themselves relief by taking drugs.

So most people who smoke have been abused?"

possibly, even if only covertly.

they have a reason why they enjoy smoking. they enjoy something that smells, is bad for them, and is making their lungs shittier.

why would anyone take part in the above if they had no reason to? i'm a smoker and well aware that it makes no sense to be.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If a women cant give up fags for 9 months for the welbeing of their unborn child then they should be ashamed

why though? shame doesn't help anyone stop being addicted to something, in fact it probably makes you worse.

well known* fact is that trauma is the biggest factor when it comes to addictions. so further traumatising someone for being an addict won't help.

*well known by anyone who educates themselves on such things.

Addiction is in the mind.. its a way for weak people to make themselves feel better.....

and what are you if you're not your mind?

nah, most people who are addicts are not weak, they've been abused, by other people and the system itself.

they're just trying to survive, like you, yet they've had huge hurdles to overcome without any support and so they support themselves and give themselves relief by taking drugs.

So most people who smoke have been abused?

possibly, even if only covertly.

they have a reason why they enjoy smoking. they enjoy something that smells, is bad for them, and is making their lungs shittier.

why would anyone take part in the above if they had no reason to? i'm a smoker and well aware that it makes no sense to be."

Fucking hell