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ok....as most of you know i am not a big footy fan!!
i know there is a big mahoosive rivalry between villa and blues (look at me sounding like i know what i am talking about  ) but i really cant get my head around all the hoo ha around this McLeish bloke
is he a good manager?
did he do well at blues?
surely he would only be selected for villa (if he is that is)if he could benefit the club and surely thats what everyone wants? success, promotion etc??
oh and i know its about footy but lets keep it friendly boys and girls
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Haha, it's brilliant! Seriously, how 'big' of a team, do Villa actually think they are?!! Even though, if I were a Villa fan, I'd be raging! Appointing a manager, who has taken a team down twice, in the last few years, hardly shouts ambition |
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For me he is a good manger just because he is coming from the blues to the villa fans dont want him and many years ago the same happen between to clubs in the east midlands the name of clough comes to mind
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thugs go to football and spend most of the match standing in an all seater stadium shouting the 'C' word like the legal right to use it is about to be taken away.
personally id rather go and see a opera or a west end show with a lady.
better value to. |
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"thugs go to football and spend most of the match standing in an all seater stadium shouting the 'C' word like the legal right to use it is about to be taken away."
Bit of a sweeping generalisation there.  |
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"thugs go to football and spend most of the match standing in an all seater stadium shouting the 'C' word like the legal right to use it is about to be taken away.
Bit of a sweeping generalisation there. "
i think he should rethink what he has said  |
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"thugs go to football and spend most of the match standing in an all seater stadium shouting the 'C' word like the legal right to use it is about to be taken away.
personally id rather go and see a opera or a west end show with a lady.
better value to."
Hahahahahah, that is the funniest thing I've read in a Long time!
Seriously, you need to get out more, if you think all football fans are like that
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"thugs go to football and spend most of the match standing in an all seater stadium shouting the 'C' word like the legal right to use it is about to be taken away.
personally id rather go and see a opera or a west end show with a lady.
better value to.
Hahahahahah, that is the funniest thing I've read in a Long time!
Seriously, you need to get out more, if you think all football fans are like that
#prawnsandwichbrigade"
racist too.
most football supporters hate each other based on a clubs religious background.
you only have to hear what leeds supporters chant about fans of leicester city.
but if your defending it ? |
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"thugs go to football and spend most of the match standing in an all seater stadium shouting the 'C' word like the legal right to use it is about to be taken away.
personally id rather go and see a opera or a west end show with a lady.
better value to."
By using that philosophy everyone that goes to the opera are pompous upper class twits.
Or, maybe you think Opera will endear you more to the ladies? |
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now now i said play nice boys!!
i think it is well documented that there is an ELEMENT of thuggery n football as in most other sports etc
what i was asking is why are the villa fans so against McLeish? but ten if he has a poor track record i can understand that
if it is just because he came from blues then i dont |
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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago
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"thugs go to football and spend most of the match standing in an all seater stadium shouting the 'C' word like the legal right to use it is about to be taken away.
personally id rather go and see a opera or a west end show with a lady.
better value to."
do what?????? I have followed my team for 35 years, and have never once been called a thug or been lifted.
There is a big difference between supporters, fans, and fannies!!!
do NOT tar us all the same please!! |
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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago
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"now now i said play nice boys!!
i think it is well documented that there is an ELEMENT of thuggery n football as in most other sports etc
what i was asking is why are the villa fans so against McLeish? but ten if he has a poor track record i can understand that
if it is just because he came from blues then i dont"
end of day, he's in it for the money and trophy glory. If it was for love of the game then he would have stayed in Scotland!!! |
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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago
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oh, and the ELEMENT of thuggery is mostly placed on the English "supporters"!!!! Just look back at recent worldwide football, and Scotland wins the fairplay award for their support. x |
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"oh, and the ELEMENT of thuggery is mostly placed on the English "supporters"!!!! Just look back at recent worldwide football, and Scotland wins the fairplay award for their support. x "
and rangers fans rioting in manchester and banned by uefa for racist singing.
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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago
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"oh, and the ELEMENT of thuggery is mostly placed on the English "supporters"!!!! Just look back at recent worldwide football, and Scotland wins the fairplay award for their support. x
and rangers fans rioting in manchester and banned by uefa for racist singing.
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I ain't a HUN!!! and the riot was despicable!!! There is no place for that kind of behaviour anywhere. Just don't presume/assume that everyone that goes to the footy is the same and causes trouble xx |
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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago
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"a hearts fan running onto the pitch to attack a manager because he runs a football club which has a catholic root.
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yes and rightly he is bannes from Tynie for life as it should be!! |
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"thugs go to football and spend most of the match standing in an all seater stadium shouting the 'C' word like the legal right to use it is about to be taken away.
personally id rather go and see a opera or a west end show with a lady.
better value to."
So I'm a thug and shout that word when I take my daughter to watch the match in your opinion ? |
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"thugs go to football and spend most of the match standing in an all seater stadium shouting the 'C' word like the legal right to use it is about to be taken away.
personally id rather go and see a opera or a west end show with a lady.
better value to."
i dont think you can call the opera "value" seing as its the most heavily subsidised art ,seen by the least amount of people .
re the blues v villa thing ..i have been a blues fan for over 40 years and if they want the manager who took us out of the premier league be my guest, i wont lose any sleep. As for why the Villa villans are unhappy ...they are like that ...moan at anything..lol |
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"oh, and the ELEMENT of thuggery is mostly placed on the English "supporters"!!!! Just look back at recent worldwide football, and Scotland wins the fairplay award for their support. x
and rangers fans rioting in manchester and banned by uefa for racist singing.
I ain't a HUN!!! and the riot was despicable!!! There is no place for that kind of behaviour anywhere. Just don't presume/assume that everyone that goes to the footy is the same and causes trouble xx"
didnt say you were.
was just pointing out the scottish teams bit |
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"oh, and the ELEMENT of thuggery is mostly placed on the English "supporters"!!!! Just look back at recent worldwide football, and Scotland wins the fairplay award for their support. x "
ooooy you touble maker, your nicked ...cuff her. what do you mean shes got her own...  |
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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago
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"oh, and the ELEMENT of thuggery is mostly placed on the English "supporters"!!!! Just look back at recent worldwide football, and Scotland wins the fairplay award for their support. x
and rangers fans rioting in manchester and banned by uefa for racist singing.
I ain't a HUN!!! and the riot was despicable!!! There is no place for that kind of behaviour anywhere. Just don't presume/assume that everyone that goes to the footy is the same and causes trouble xx
didnt say you were.
was just pointing out the
scottish teams bit "
OK, now point out the English teams bit that started off the Casual movement!! west ham, milwall, chelsea..... |
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It happens to all sorts of people.
Kenny MacAskill, the Scottish Justice Secretary (that's a bit like being Theresa May or Ken Clarke at Westminster) got himself arrested for being d*unk whilst in possession of an ugly coupon at an England v Scotland match. |
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"oh, and the ELEMENT of thuggery is mostly placed on the English "supporters"!!!! Just look back at recent worldwide football, and Scotland wins the fairplay award for their support. x
and rangers fans rioting in manchester and banned by uefa for racist singing.
I ain't a HUN!!! and the riot was despicable!!! There is no place for that kind of behaviour anywhere. Just don't presume/assume that everyone that goes to the footy is the same and causes trouble xx
didnt say you were.
was just pointing out the
scottish teams bit
OK, now point out the English teams bit that started off the Casual movement!! west ham, milwall, chelsea....."
dont forget bham we had a video of our zulu armys antics....first time i have ever seen two clowns carrying off a panto horse on a stretcher ....surreal  |
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The McLeish situation is more to do with a particular clause in his contract that states if another club want him they have to pay Birmingham £4.5m, but Birmingham have been relegated so that figure drops quite significantly and Villa need to secure McLeish by July 1 to trigger that lower figure. A deal couldn't be done between City and Villa due to the animosity between the clubs and McLeish, being an ambitious man, wanted to remain a Premiership manager so he had to find a way out of his current deal and move to Villa. He found the loophole by resigning claiming constructive dismissal which he backed up by stating that a new clause inserted into his contract meant that he had to take City back into the Premiership immediately. In reality, what this means is that if City don't perform well in the first third of the next season in the Championship the directors could sack McLeish and he would forego any compensation he might have got otherwise. Plus the role at Villa would have been filled and he would have ended up a manager without a club.
The perverse thing is - Villa fans don't want him either. |
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"The casual movement was started on council estates on Merseyside.
The bottom line is not all football fans are hooligans, infact, the vast majority aren't."
The vast majority of Scots don't wear the kilt or play the bagpipes.
What are we best known for? |
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"The casual movement was started on council estates on Merseyside.
The bottom line is not all football fans are hooligans, infact, the vast majority aren't.
The vast majority of Scots don't wear the kilt or play the bagpipes.
What are we best known for?"
Haggis and deep frying everything! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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parider, you should clearly stick to the opera & leave the football talk, to people who actually know what they are talking about...
I've never read so much complete & utter bollocks! (actually, that is a lie but, you know what I mean!) |
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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago
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"The McLeish situation is more to do with a particular clause in his contract that states if another club want him they have to pay Birmingham £4.5m, but Birmingham have been relegated so that figure drops quite significantly and Villa need to secure McLeish by July 1 to trigger that lower figure. A deal couldn't be done between City and Villa due to the animosity between the clubs and McLeish, being an ambitious man, wanted to remain a Premiership manager so he had to find a way out of his current deal and move to Villa. He found the loophole by resigning claiming constructive dismissal which he backed up by stating that a new clause inserted into his contract meant that he had to take City back into the Premiership immediately. In reality, what this means is that if City don't perform well in the first third of the next season in the Championship the directors could sack McLeish and he would forego any compensation he might have got otherwise. Plus the role at Villa would have been filled and he would have ended up a manager without a club.
The perverse thing is - Villa fans don't want him either."
thank you wishywashy, the thread was started about one manager and descended into an attack on all footy fans.
Admittedley, I fuelled the fire on this one but I will not back down when myself/team/country is being villified.
Giving this one a rest now...... |
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"Haha, it's brilliant! Seriously, how 'big' of a team, do Villa actually think they are?!! Even though, if I were a Villa fan, I'd be raging! Appointing a manager, who has taken a team down twice, in the last few years, hardly shouts ambition"
McLeish was promised funds to compete in the transfer market but those funds never materialised. His valuation of players he wanted to buy were ruled out by City moneymen. |
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"The casual movement was started on council estates on Merseyside.
The bottom line is not all football fans are hooligans, infact, the vast majority aren't.
The vast majority of Scots don't wear the kilt or play the bagpipes.
What are we best known for?"
to be honest thats a really good question ...i am not stereotyping but when i thought of scotland several things came to mind .
1. brilliant engineers
2. great universities
3. good military history
4. history suppression of culture
5 women with sexy accents
change 5 to 1 ok
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"Haha, it's brilliant! Seriously, how 'big' of a team, do Villa actually think they are?!! Even though, if I were a Villa fan, I'd be raging! Appointing a manager, who has taken a team down twice, in the last few years, hardly shouts ambition
McLeish was promised funds to compete in the transfer market but those funds never materialised. His valuation of players he wanted to buy were ruled out by City moneymen. "
Funnily enough I wonderered when money would come into this.
I've heard McLeish named as the best £ for £ manager in the country.
Give him the same budget as Ferguson and the other top level managers and he'd win out every time. |
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"thank you wishywashy, the thread was started about one manager and descended into an attack on all footy fans.
Admittedley, I fuelled the fire on this one but I will not back down when myself/team/country is being villified.
Giving this one a rest now......"
You'll get no argument from me about Scottish football managers. Ferguson is a jock, Bill Shankly was too, as is Kenny Dalglish (although he still has some ways to go before being considered a truly great manager). Some of the best managers these islands have ever produced have come from Scotland. |
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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago
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"thank you wishywashy, the thread was started about one manager and descended into an attack on all footy fans.
Admittedley, I fuelled the fire on this one but I will not back down when myself/team/country is being villified.
Giving this one a rest now......
You'll get no argument from me about Scottish football managers. Ferguson is a jock, Bill Shankly was too, as is Kenny Dalglish (although he still has some ways to go before being considered a truly great manager). Some of the best managers these islands have ever produced have come from Scotland."
and the women ain't bad either. noo, fancy a fuck!!!! |
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"Haha, it's brilliant! Seriously, how 'big' of a team, do Villa actually think they are?!! Even though, if I were a Villa fan, I'd be raging! Appointing a manager, who has taken a team down twice, in the last few years, hardly shouts ambition
McLeish was promised funds to compete in the transfer market but those funds never materialised. His valuation of players he wanted to buy were ruled out by City moneymen.
Funnily enough I wonderered when money would come into this.
I've heard McLeish named as the best £ for £ manager in the country.
Give him the same budget as Ferguson and the other top level managers and he'd win out every time."
Hence the buyout clause in his contract. He is a good manager and he's considered to be one of the best for spotting new talent. City's loss could well prove to be Villa's catalyst to the big time again. |
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"The casual movement was started on council estates on Merseyside.
The bottom line is not all football fans are hooligans, infact, the vast majority aren't.
The vast majority of Scots don't wear the kilt or play the bagpipes.
What are we best known for?
to be honest thats a really good question ...i am not stereotyping but when i thought of scotland several things came to mind .
1. brilliant engineers
2. great universities
3. good military history
4. history suppression of culture
5 women with sexy accents
change 5 to 1 ok
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Scotland, for reasons it has no control over, is just too small a nation to support most of our talent.
For as long as I can remember and back into my father's and grandfather's peers were lured by the $ (US or AUS) and the yen for the Yen.
For far too long our brightest and our best have joined the crowds sailing from the Broomielaw or became £10 Poms or otherwise sought fame and fortune beyond our shores.
The military history is a good point. It's reckoned Scots fought in every land conflict since 1066 - on both sides!
We didn't supress our own culture. The aftermath of the 1745 Rising found us forbidden to wear the plaid, play the pipes or speak Gaelic, but it wasn't the Scots choice. Gaelic has never recovered (and probably never will).
We have 5 great universities and whole bunch of others which do their best. I'm kidding about that a bit 'cos Strathclyde Uni produces the best naval architects in the world. |
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"thank you wishywashy, the thread was started about one manager and descended into an attack on all footy fans.
Admittedley, I fuelled the fire on this one but I will not back down when myself/team/country is being villified.
Giving this one a rest now......
You'll get no argument from me about Scottish football managers. Ferguson is a jock, Bill Shankly was too, as is Kenny Dalglish (although he still has some ways to go before being considered a truly great manager). Some of the best managers these islands have ever produced have come from Scotland."
You forget Jock Stein and, and I think even hardened left-fitters would have to agree now, Walter Smith. |
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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago
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"Haha, it's brilliant! Seriously, how 'big' of a team, do Villa actually think they are?!! Even though, if I were a Villa fan, I'd be raging! Appointing a manager, who has taken a team down twice, in the last few years, hardly shouts ambition
McLeish was promised funds to compete in the transfer market but those funds never materialised. His valuation of players he wanted to buy were ruled out by City moneymen.
Funnily enough I wonderered when money would come into this.
I've heard McLeish named as the best £ for £ manager in the country.
Give him the same budget as Ferguson and the other top level managers and he'd win out every time."
Somehow i dont think your arguement stands up there. How can a manager who has been relegated and have a bigger budget than several teams who stayed up, be the best £ for £ manager?.
£ for £ the best manager would be Arsene Wenger, simply because he has an overall playing budget surplus over the last 6-8 years. And has a proven track record of buying players cheaply and selling them at the top of the market price. |
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over a year ago
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"Haha, it's brilliant! Seriously, how 'big' of a team, do Villa actually think they are?!! Even though, if I were a Villa fan, I'd be raging! Appointing a manager, who has taken a team down twice, in the last few years, hardly shouts ambition
McLeish was promised funds to compete in the transfer market but those funds never materialised. His valuation of players he wanted to buy were ruled out by City moneymen.
Funnily enough I wonderered when money would come into this.
I've heard McLeish named as the best £ for £ manager in the country.
Give him the same budget as Ferguson and the other top level managers and he'd win out every time.
Hence the buyout clause in his contract. He is a good manager and he's considered to be one of the best for spotting new talent. City's loss could well prove to be Villa's catalyst to the big time again."
David Moyes is a far better than Mcleish will ever be at talent spotting. I dont remember him ever being relegated.
I dont know how a man who has just taken a team down is so highly thought of. I suggest you also take a look at Ian Holloway instead - he had the lowest budget for a premiership team ever, and even lower than many championship teams (inflation taken into account), yet his team was only just relegated. |
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"Haha, it's brilliant! Seriously, how 'big' of a team, do Villa actually think they are?!! Even though, if I were a Villa fan, I'd be raging! Appointing a manager, who has taken a team down twice, in the last few years, hardly shouts ambition
McLeish was promised funds to compete in the transfer market but those funds never materialised. His valuation of players he wanted to buy were ruled out by City moneymen.
Funnily enough I wonderered when money would come into this.
I've heard McLeish named as the best £ for £ manager in the country.
Give him the same budget as Ferguson and the other top level managers and he'd win out every time.
Somehow i dont think your arguement stands up there. How can a manager who has been relegated and have a bigger budget than several teams who stayed up, be the best £ for £ manager?.
£ for £ the best manager would be Arsene Wenger, simply because he has an overall playing budget surplus over the last 6-8 years. And has a proven track record of buying players cheaply and selling them at the top of the market price. "
Is that how £ for £ works? Is that how pound for pound works in boxing? |
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The military history is a good point. It's reckoned Scots fought in every land conflict since 1066 - on both sides!
We didn't supress our own culture. The aftermath of the 1745 Rising found us forbidden to wear the plaid, play the pipes or speak Gaelic, but it wasn't the Scots choice. Gaelic has never recovered (and probably never will).
We have 5 great universities and whole bunch of others which do their best. I'm kidding about that a bit 'cos Strathclyde Uni produces the best naval architects in the world. "
the suppression of culture i was thinking more of external forced events disolvement of the scottish monarchy
ie taking of the stones. leapt to mind and of course the eradication of the highlanders by long shanks and the hired lowlanders.
Villa Blues Blues Villa i put that in so its not too far off the thread
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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago
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As someone who doesn't follow football, cannot understand it or anything about the nature and culture about the game, I can only make this one observation!
If you could all take a few steps back, and take a look at yourselves and see how heated you all got over the original posting!
If you'd all been physically next to each other, it would have been close to blows by now!
What's the fuss about?
After all, it's ONLY A GAME, NOT the end of the world!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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as a villa fan for over 30yrs do no appoint this man mcleish you would never find man u hire an ex man city manager or liverpool an everton not to mention celtic-rangers so for non football followers this meens nothing to you so why post stuff in the first place ...simples |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I read this thread with interest and although i absolutely detest the game and personally would rather watch paint dry,I realise that it brings pleasure ta millions.
As with most things there is always an unruly element ta the game mostly caused by people who want ta cause trouble rather than actually watch
But this in the general scheme of things is the minority
Each ta their own i say but personally it ain't fa me
Give me tennis with short skirts any day lol xx |
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"oh, and the ELEMENT of thuggery is mostly placed on the English "supporters"!!!! Just look back at recent worldwide football, and Scotland wins the fairplay award for their support. x "
Rangers/ Manchester ????
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By *mumaWoman
over a year ago
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"oh, and the ELEMENT of thuggery is mostly placed on the English "supporters"!!!! Just look back at recent worldwide football, and Scotland wins the fairplay award for their support. x Rangers/ Manchester ????"
yes, and I answered that one!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Damn I had just got my Adidas gear on and was ready for a rumble but it's gone all quiet 
Seriously as pointed out it is a minority that cause problems at the football, the banter between fans creates the atmosphere and very rarely ends up in trouble.
I can sit with 5 friends and argue and have banter about the football which is part of the game for us, by the way we all support different teams and it's great fun |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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i always find it quite funny that clubs can sack managers when the going is bad... and then poach someone elses... but yet when the manager wants to go they are suppose to honour contracts....
bit hypocritical...
mcleish did well at hibs, and rangers.. was a really good scotland manager and did not a bad job at brum bearing in mind they didn't really give him a lot of money...
is he the person that would take villa forward... probably not....
would i want the spurs manager ever to take over the job at arsenal... feck no!!!! |
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"thugs go to football and spend most of the match standing in an all seater stadium shouting the 'C' word like the legal right to use it is about to be taken away.
personally id rather go and see a opera or a west end show with a lady.
better value to."
As a Chelsea fan I say the 'C' word a lot.....Chelsea!!!!! |
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"thugs go to football and spend most of the match standing in an all seater stadium shouting the 'C' word like the legal right to use it is about to be taken away.
personally id rather go and see a opera or a west end show with a lady.
better value to.
As a Chelsea fan I say the 'C' word a lot.....Chelsea!!!!!"
Me to as a Chelsea fan |
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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago
harrow |
basiclly blues went down...
their manager resigned...
villa asked was he available...
i think the suggestion is that he was aproached when still under contract.
To the person that thinks are football fans are hooligans...think again!!!!!!!!!!!....
OK i have been stopped twice by police ever and this was this year. Once for drinking in street.hey ho hey ho...
And once at ground I was ok abusing quiet loudly a rival player but hey ho.
am i a profesional..yes
do i go out and cause fights on a fri sat night...no
do i have a tat or st george/ bull dog / swastika delete as apropriate...
do i chat to rival fans...yes
is there banter yes....
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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago
near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack! |
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would i want the spurs manager ever to take over the job at arsenal... feck no!!!!"
Could Arsenal afford the "bung" Harry Rednap usually asks for anyway?!!! |
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