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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

With half term coming up in a couple of weeks, I just want to ask who here thinks teacher training days are utter pointless?

It seems that schools these days have teacher training days 6 times a year which I believe are just an excuse to have an extra day off to be honest.

I remember speaking to a work colleague about this and she said that she was told that teachers only go in for an hour or two to go over the usual stuff and what's new and what to improve and then they're off for the rest of the day which feels more like a staff meeting to me rather than a teacher training day.

I think schools should scrap this poor excuse for a day off. If they say education is important then why are they going on so many strikes and having so many days off then?

I do apologize in advance if there are any teachers here. It's just my opinion to be honest

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Teacher training days are far from a "day off". I'm a big fan of staff development, continuing professional development and training in my line of work so why would it be any different for teachers?

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By *dam_TinaCouple over a year ago

Hampshire

Do they go on many strikes ? That´s a genuine question as I don´t live in the UK now so was unaware of that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do they go on many strikes ? That´s a genuine question as I don´t live in the UK now so was unaware of that."

No, very few.

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By *opsy RogersWoman over a year ago

London

Just because you don't have a clue about what they do, doesn't make them usless.

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By *dam_TinaCouple over a year ago

Hampshire

"Do they go on many strikes ? That´s a genuine question as I don´t live in the UK now so was unaware of that.

No, very few. "

So just rhetoric then.

And on an unrelated matter I just fabbed your desk picture

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By *layfullsamMan over a year ago

Solihull

Can't stand people who complain about other peoples job hours, wages, perks etc etc

Life's short so if you think another job is cushy or overpaid go to college, study and get that job you're envious about

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

You begrudge six days of staff development? You see it as a day off because your mate said?

Personally, I think they should have extra days off for having to potty train, buy appropriate weather clothes, provide breakfast etc because some parents are so useless and lazy.

Just my opinion of course.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm all for educating teachers to be better at their job, and continuous development is good. However, I dont know why the Teacher Education Days can't be done during half term or the 3 other holidays the teachers (and students) get.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What utter rubbish!

My children have an amazing teacher who will put in more hours a week than the 9-3 that everyone thinks a teacher does. For her to develop professionally, keep up to date with all the changes that are brought in on a regular basis, find out about new teaching methods that may enhance my children's learning, she and all the other countless teachers in this country need to have training days.

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"Can't stand people who complain about other peoples job hours, wages, perks etc etc

Life's short so if you think another job is cushy or overpaid go to college, study and get that job you're envious about"

What?!! Actually do something meaningful to improve one's lot instead of mouthing off on a swingers site?!!

Too much like hard work.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A day off? Seriously? Like any other school day they go in at 8am and finish at 6pm (or near enough).

The day instead of lessons has staff training because the government always changes something. There is always some way a school can improve and that training is vital.

Around that training the teachers prepare their classrooms, plan their lesson, they mark books, sort out data.

It's far from a day off and in fact is probably just as stressful as a normal school day. It is also very much needed to provide that all important education.

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By *agneto.Man over a year ago

Bham

I'd like to work at that school. Teachers don't actually have the day off, they go in for a full day.

The aim is to improve teaching in order to help the students get good grades and develop which not only helps the school but also helps the kids.

I dunno why there is all this teacher bashing all the time, they are trying to help "your" kids.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think staff training and development is important.

I do wonder why they do that during the working day though and why it can't be done at weekends, school holidays or evenings so it doesn't impact on the children.

I work full time year round in Early Years Education and we do our training out of work hours. I don't like it as my time off is precious (as it is for teachers too) plus even when I'm not at work i still do a lot of work related things such as development files and preparation for the next day.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd like to work at that school. Teachers don't actually have the day off, they go in for a full day.

The aim is to improve teaching in order to help the students get good grades and develop which not only helps the school but also helps the kids.

I dunno why there is all this teacher bashing all the time, they are trying to help "your" kids.

I don't think the op has children.......

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"What utter rubbish!

That's how I felt about my children's teachers. The fact between the three they hold bachelors, masters and a PhD is testament to that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Can't stand people who complain about other peoples job hours, wages, perks etc etc

Life's short so if you think another job is cushy or overpaid go to college, study and get that job you're envious about"

I live with a teacher and you would have to pay me significantly more than he gets to make me even contemplate doing that job. We worked it out once and even taking into account the holidays he does far more hours per year than I do.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm all for educating teachers to be better at their job, and continuous development is good. However, I dont know why the Teacher Education Days can't be done during half term or the 3 other holidays the teachers (and students) get."

For the record teachers don't get half term. It's a lie. They work from home and plan. They go into school and do their display boards and get their classroom resources together. Everyone thinks teachers get so many holidays but they don't. Those extra 6 days a year for training are there for a reason.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So what if these teachers want to go away with their family during half term? Thry can't go during term time

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

"What utter rubbish!

at our secondary school there are lunch clubs for catchup and revision in every subject and afterchool clubs in every subject and sport. The teachers are committed and passionate and know our kids strengths and weaknesses personally. All this in a huge school. I think they are doing a great job.

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By *BGBMan over a year ago

Ascot

"You begrudge six days of staff development? You see it as a day off because your mate said?

Personally, I think they should have extra days off for having to potty train, buy appropriate weather clothes, provide breakfast etc because some parents are so useless and lazy.

Just my opinion of course. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

my daughter an nqt and these days certainly arent a couple of hours in to chat and then bugger off - teachers work long days it isnt just the time the kids are in -

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What utter rubbish!

That's how I felt about my children's teachers. The fact between the three they hold bachelors, masters and a PhD is testament to that.

Exactly! I trained as an early years teacher, although never got a job as a teacher. I still work with children but I'd never teach now! So many people who think they know what a teacher does and then moan about it. Not a clue!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"With half term coming up in a couple of weeks, I just want to ask who here thinks teacher training days are utter pointless?

It seems that schools these days have teacher training days 6 times a year which I believe are just an excuse to have an extra day off to be honest.

I think schools should scrap this poor excuse for a day off. If they say education is important then why are they going on so many strikes and having so many days off then?

I do apologize in advance if there are any teachers here. It's just my opinion to be honest"

Yes it is just your opinion. It's a very ILL informed opinion. It's an opinion borne from your own discontent without a single basis in evidence.

1. Half term is a childrens break from school. Parents can actually spend that time with their children if they are able or willing.

2. There are NOT 6 inset days there are 5 per year.

3. INSET days are not extra holidays for teachers. INSET days are 5 days taken OFF their old holiday entitlement and turned into training days to keep up with new initiatives etc or to discuss vital issues coming up in schools about EDUCATION. INSETS began with Ken Baker hence the old name BAKER days.

So CHILDREN are not out of school any more than they used to be.

4. If a teacher isn't present at a Baker Day it's counted as an absence.

5. If a school has kept up with initiatives through twilights or other means then it's perfectly in order to direct teachers to do other things. If your 'friends' are of the ilk that they skive don't blame it on the entire profession.

I don't care if you have an inbred hatred of teachers and schools but at least ground your biterness and loathing in solid evidence.

Or shut up with the slander.

No im not a teacher.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So what if these teachers want to go away with their family during half term? Thry can't go during term time

I'm having 2 days away with my husband at half term. He's got to be in school for another 2 days for revision sessions for year 11, because they and their parents can't be trusted to actually do any homework or revision, but when they get shit GCSE results it'll be his fault. And the remaining days of the "holiday" he'll be marking, preparing lessons and catching up on his line management responsibilities like lesson observation reports. But I'll tell him he should be doing his inset training that week too.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Jeez. What's with all the hostility?

I make one thread about how things are done in schools these days and everyone is on me like a pack of wolves.

This must be a subject that is taboo to have an opinion on.

I might as well keep my mouth shut then

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By *BWandhusbandCouple over a year ago

Midlands

"Can't stand people who complain about other peoples job hours, wages, perks etc etc

Life's short so if you think another job is cushy or overpaid go to college, study and get that job you're envious about"

The teachers at our local school do their standard hours on an inset day. They also get there before 8 and never leave before 5 on a normal school day.

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"I think staff training and development is important.

I do wonder why they do that during the working day though and why it can't be done at weekends, school holidays or evenings so it doesn't impact on the children.

It was always just an additional day added prior or after a holiday when my kids were at school, I didn't see it as a problem as it would benefit my children.

My daughter manages a nursery and their staff training is out of hours. Not being funny but I think there's more to cover in schools than what's expected from early years practitioners.

Apologies if wrong.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Jeez. What's with all the hostility?

I make one thread about how things are done in schools these days and everyone is on me like a pack of wolves.

This must be a subject that is taboo to have an opinion on.

I might as well keep my mouth shut then"

You're totally entitled to an opinion, but when it's not based on any facts whatsoever it deserves to be challenged. I haven't seen any hostility towards you, just towards your opinion. Because it's bollocks.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My Sister's a teacher at Primary level and usually her weekends are full of lesson planning. I also know that it's quite common for teachers to quit during their PGCE because it's so stressful! I know her teacher training days are spent pretty productively!

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By *ove bi guysWoman over a year ago

Birmingham

"Jeez. What's with all the hostility?

I make one thread about how things are done in schools these days and everyone is on me like a pack of wolves.

This must be a subject that is taboo to have an opinion on.

I might as well keep my mouth shut then"

agree .... definitely mouth shut and do some real research and not listening to idiots

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Jeez. What's with all the hostility?

I make one thread about how things are done in schools these days and everyone is on me like a pack of wolves.

This must be a subject that is taboo to have an opinion on.

I might as well keep my mouth shut then"

No. You're post was how things are NOT done.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Jeez. What's with all the hostility?

I make one thread about how things are done in schools these days and everyone is on me like a pack of wolves.

This must be a subject that is taboo to have an opinion on.

I might as well keep my mouth shut then"

You honestly thought it would be different??

You have a lot to learn, never ever comment on those people that have jobs that are to educate/help/treat people. They are amazing people who deserve bloody medals for the shit that they deal with on a daily basis.

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"With half term coming up in a couple of weeks, I just want to ask who here thinks teacher training days are utter pointless?

It seems that schools these days have teacher training days 6 times a year which I believe are just an excuse to have an extra day off to be honest.

I think schools should scrap this poor excuse for a day off. If they say education is important then why are they going on so many strikes and having so many days off then?

I do apologize in advance if there are any teachers here. It's just my opinion to be honest

Yes it is just your opinion. It's a very ILL informed opinion. It's an opinion borne from your own discontent without a single basis in evidence.

1. Half term is a childrens break from school. Parents can actually spend that time with their children if they are able or willing.

2. There are NOT 6 inset days there are 5 per year.

So CHILDREN are not out of school any more than they used to be.

4. If a teacher isn't present at a Baker Day it's counted as an absence.

I don't care if you have an inbred hatred of teachers and schools but at least ground your biterness and loathing in solid evidence.

Or shut up with the slander.

No im not a teacher. "

Most eloquently put Granny!

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

"Jeez. What's with all the hostility?

I make one thread about how things are done in schools these days and everyone is on me like a pack of wolves.

This must be a subject that is taboo to have an opinion on.

I might as well keep my mouth shut then"

I don't think there was hostility and the 'wolves' was just that most disagreed with what you'd said.

Doesn't mean you have to keep your mouth shut. Maybe you've found out they do more than you imagined for example?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Jeez. What's with all the hostility?

I make one thread about how things are done in schools these days and everyone is on me like a pack of wolves.

This must be a subject that is taboo to have an opinion on.

I might as well keep my mouth shut then"

this is a public forum - you even apologised in your opening post so you knew it might offend or upset some people - so take what head s your way or keep schtum

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"Jeez. What's with all the hostility?

I make one thread about how things are done in schools these days and everyone is on me like a pack of wolves.

This must be a subject that is taboo to have an opinion on.

I might as well keep my mouth shut then"

You start a thread spouting bar room gossip from your mates as gospel, besmirching a whole profession.

Those of us who have experience, knowledge are simply showing you the errors in your arguement.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I apologize for causing offence. It was wrong of me to share this wrong opinion. I am ashamed of myself for saying it in the first place.

I might as well crawl under a stone and die

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So what if these teachers want to go away with their family during half term? Thry can't go during term time

Two days away? I blame any poor GCSE results firmly at your door

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Jeez. What's with all the hostility?

I make one thread about how I assumed things are done in schools these days and everyone is on me like a pack of wolves.

This must be a subject that is taboo to have an opinion on.

I might as well keep my mouth shut then"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

BURN THEM ALL.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What utter rubbish!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"BURN THEM ALL."

The Kids ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So what if these teachers want to go away with their family during half term? Thry can't go during term time

Two days away? I blame any poor GCSE results firmly at your door

I'll take that, my mini break is much more important

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Why do I never think before I do or say things like this? I'm so fucking stupid.

Why am I cursed with this Aspergers disability? I hate myself for causing offence on here. I'm upset now for what I've done :'-(

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"BURN THEM ALL.

The Kids ?"

We wouldn't need teachers then and no one would of them would become traffic wardens.

It's the only solution.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why do I never think before I do or say things like this? I'm so fucking stupid.

Why am I cursed with this Aspergers disability? I hate myself for causing offence on here. I'm upset now for what I've done :'-("

If it makes you feel any better, I don't think anyone is actually upset or offended, they just didn't agree with you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Teachers are over worked and many leave the profession as they stressed to hell and back. Respect in schools from kids and parents is at an all time low. All it takes is for one or two brats with oxygen thieves for parents, to tip the balance. Teachers work evenings and weekends some over 70 hour weeks. A few training days if administered correctly are essential. I would not recommend anyone on here, critercise the teachers until they have done the job. I know some are not perfect, but they are doing it. Give it a go. I dare you.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Why do I never think before I do or say things like this? I'm so fucking stupid.

Why am I cursed with this Aspergers disability? I hate myself for causing offence on here. I'm upset now for what I've done :'-("

No one took offence. They just disagreed.

Im not too sure that Aspergers is to blame either.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Every form of employment has some sort of training refresher.

As a Solicitor you have to do courses to gain CPD points which was required by The Law Society to get your yearly Practising Certificate (that might have changed now as its been a few years since i worked for a solicitor), Dr's take courses to keep up to date with new medical technology, Community Carers go on health & safety course refreshers.

It's part of best practice.

I have a son with Dyspraxia, my son's teacher had to go on a course to learn some techniques and gain insight into the complexities he faces and pick up new methods that might help him engage in the Classroom. That might have been attended on an inset day?

It is what it is.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Why do I never think before I do or say things like this? I'm so fucking stupid.

Why am I cursed with this Aspergers disability? I hate myself for causing offence on here. I'm upset now for what I've done :'-(

If it makes you feel any better, I don't think anyone is actually upset or offended, they just didn't agree with you. "

I've warned you before about speaking before I do and saying what I was gonna !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think staff training and development is important.

I do wonder why they do that during the working day though and why it can't be done at weekends, school holidays or evenings so it doesn't impact on the children.

It was always just an additional day added prior or after a holiday when my kids were at school, I didn't see it as a problem as it would benefit my children.

My daughter manages a nursery and their staff training is out of hours. Not being funny but I think there's more to cover in schools than what's expected from early years practitioners.

Apologies if wrong."

You think wrong

My eldest daughter is also a nursery manager (not the same nursery as me) and they also do their staff training out of work hours. We all spend many out of work hours doing work related preparation such as getting everything ready for the following day, extensive planning both for individual children and the whole group plus development files as do teachers. Ofsted requires so many things of us that it's impossible to do it all during work hours.

As a team we have looked at having inset days but management decided no, probably because of the finacial impact it would have.

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

"Why do I never think before I do or say things like this? I'm so fucking stupid.

Why am I cursed with this Aspergers disability? I hate myself for causing offence on here. I'm upset now for what I've done :'-(

No one took offence. They just disagreed.

Im not too sure that Aspergers is to blame either. "

Mr Asberger the german teacher is to blame.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How the hell my mother was a teacher in a secondary school never fails to amaze me. Not only that but she had one child of her own, fostered children and then went on to adopt me and my other brother. I think me mother is bloody amazing as are all teachers. They deserve far more then they get. Xxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think staff training and development is important.

I do wonder why they do that during the working day though and why it can't be done at weekends, school holidays or evenings so it doesn't impact on the children.

It was always just an additional day added prior or after a holiday when my kids were at school, I didn't see it as a problem as it would benefit my children.

My daughter manages a nursery and their staff training is out of hours. Not being funny but I think there's more to cover in schools than what's expected from early years practitioners.

Apologies if wrong.

You think wrong

As a team we have looked at having inset days but management decided no, probably because of the finacial impact it would have."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Im going to refrain from the ovious point that if they choose the job, then they choose the fact that they might not be able to go on family holidays during half term - like so many of the rest of the population cant due to work commitments.

So what if these teachers want to go away with their family during half term? Thry can't go during term time

So do parents who cant afford child minders have to have a day of work so they can care for their children. Our school sends a note about 1 week before the TED. I know of poeple who have been fined for taking their child out of school at the end of term to go on the olny holiday they can as their company sets their holidays. But it seems schools can give short notice for TEDs and not be fined.

Im sure that if the TED was bolted on to the holidays rather than mid term, then this would be better for all?

And I do appreciate how hard teaching is. Im not knocking them or denying the need to keep up to date. It just seems as though extra strain is placed on parents at short notice.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Why do I never think before I do or say things like this? I'm so fucking stupid.

Why am I cursed with this Aspergers disability? I hate myself for causing offence on here. I'm upset now for what I've done :'-(

No one took offence. They just disagreed.

Im not too sure that Aspergers is to blame either. "

I understand that it was more of a disagreement but I still feel terrible about my actions. I did the similar thing before a couple of weeks ago by complaining about my job on facebook while I was at work and ended up getting bollocked by my manager. I ended up being upset by my actions which led to a mini episode of depression that lasted throughout the day

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

Im sure that if the TED was bolted on to the holidays rather than mid term, then this would be better for all?

And I do appreciate how hard teaching is. Im not knocking them or denying the need to keep up to date. It just seems as though extra strain is placed on parents at short notice."

In primary maybe should let the kids go in. Half staff do the traing half supervise the extra kids??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So what if these teachers want to go away with their family during half term? Thry can't go during term time

Im sure that if the TED was bolted on to the holidays rather than mid term, then this would be better for all?

And I do appreciate how hard teaching is. Im not knocking them or denying the need to keep up to date. It just seems as though extra strain is placed on parents at short notice."

All inset days and holidays can be found on your council websites xxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why do I never think before I do or say things like this? I'm so fucking stupid.

Why am I cursed with this Aspergers disability? I hate myself for causing offence on here. I'm upset now for what I've done :'-("

I'm sure you're not the only one who thinks inset days are just holidays for teachers but now having seen replies from people who have knowledge about what these days are actually used for, you now have a better understanding of their use

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Why do I never think before I do or say things like this? I'm so fucking stupid.

Why am I cursed with this Aspergers disability? I hate myself for causing offence on here. I'm upset now for what I've done :'-(

Yeah I do have a better understanding for it now

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

A 'mini episode of depression' doesn't last throughout the day. That's called been fed up.

Depression is something entirely different and moe serious. People disagreed, you don't need to throw in Asbergers and depression.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I do appreciate how hard teaching is. Im not knocking them or denying the need to keep up to date. It just seems as though extra strain is placed on parents at short notice."

What about the extra strain placed on teachers and schools all last minute? When things go wrong at home and that gets taken into school? The whol teaching day is thrown because of this incident and teachers are set back a day (which is actually a lot). What about that strain? Spread over 30 odd children it happens a lot.

It works both ways really. Plus most schools have their inset days planned a term in advance and if it changes last minute it is due to a very good reason.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A 'mini episode of depression' doesn't last throughout the day. That's called been fed up.

Depression is something entirely different and moe serious. People disagreed, you don't need to throw in Asbergers and depression."

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

A 'mini episode of depression' doesn't last throughout the day. That's called been fed up.

Depression is something entirely different and moe serious. People disagreed, you don't need to throw in Asbergers and depression."

Is it being fed up that I felt like killing myself that day

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple over a year ago

chingford

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By *layfullsamMan over a year ago

Solihull

"Can't stand people who complain about other peoples job hours, wages, perks etc etc

Life's short so if you think another job is cushy or overpaid go to college, study and get that job you're envious about

What?!! Actually do something meaningful to improve one's lot instead of mouthing off on a swingers site?!!

Too much like hard work.

Oops sorry I forgot out that

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Im sure that if the TED was bolted on to the holidays rather than mid term, then this would be better for all?

And I do appreciate how hard teaching is. Im not knocking them or denying the need to keep up to date. It just seems as though extra strain is placed on parents at short notice.

In primary maybe should let the kids go in. Half staff do the traing half supervise the extra kids??"

Except that teachers TEACH. They are not child minding. Would you be happy if your child suddenly found themselves in a class of 60. Not much learning would be taking place.

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple over a year ago

chingford

All inset days are planned a year in advance.

Parents are given a list at the start of the school year and reminded again at the beginning of each term.

If a school is only giving a weeks notice then it's very poor management on their behalf.

Inset days are not extra days of for the children they would not be in school on these days anyway.

They are planned at a time of as not to cause too much disruption and are normally bolted on to the beginning or end to a holiday.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A 'mini episode of depression' doesn't last throughout the day. That's called been fed up.

Depression is something entirely different and moe serious. People disagreed, you don't need to throw in Asbergers and depression.

Is it being fed up that I felt like killing myself that day"

Then you need to get some help if you can feel like that. I know that I've personally suggested this to you, as have others. If daily life events are making you feel this way, then you aren't coping with life and you need to seek professional help. I would also possibly suggest taking yourself off of social media as you do seem to post and quite downhearted with responses, until you feel you are better equipped to deal with stuff. This isn't aimed at making you feel bad, but it's a general observation of things you've posted on here.

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By *ootiefruityCouple over a year ago

Somewhere in the middle

When do you think they get a chance to do training courses then?

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple over a year ago

chingford

Is that how you view teachers as child minders ? Is so maybe then maybe they should be paid accordingly.

Assuming a child minder will get £5 per hour per child, a little low some will earn more but you wouldn't earn less.

The average class is thirty children.

So that means a teacher should be on £150 per hour.

And they teach the little cherubs to read and write as well.

A bargain don't you think ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

A 'mini episode of depression' doesn't last throughout the day. That's called been fed up.

Depression is something entirely different and moe serious. People disagreed, you don't need to throw in Asbergers and depression.

Is it being fed up that I felt like killing myself that day

I appreciate the advice. It's hard to explain how my mind works. Most days I'll be fine but on a day when I get either angry or upset, thats what triggers this short depression. Usually I would sleep it off and would feel better in the morning. I do my best to cope with my condition but it seems I'm not good when it comes to stressful situations.

When I got told off by my manager, I just stood there and couldn't say anything as I end up stuttering when in trouble. I've been like that ever since I can remember. I've never been the confrontational type as I would just freeze and do nothing when in that situation

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A 'mini episode of depression' doesn't last throughout the day. That's called been fed up.

Depression is something entirely different and moe serious. People disagreed, you don't need to throw in Asbergers and depression.

Is it being fed up that I felt like killing myself that day

Then I would suggest that you find an organisation that can help you to find the appropriate coping mechanisms. There are lots of things out there that can help. You have to be proactive and do things that could help and make a difference. People will be sympathetic and understanding to a point, then they will walk away from offering help if you don't try to help yourself.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"I apologize for causing offence. It was wrong of me to share this wrong opinion. I am ashamed of myself for saying it in the first place.

I might as well crawl under a stone and die

God you are a drama llama aren't you! Get over yourself. You posted a thread full of inaccuracies and accused a whole profession of being lazy and not caring for the education of the children entrusted to their care, people are well within their right to defend that. No one has been rude or derogatory to you. Such it up buttercup and maybe learn a few things from people who actualy do the job.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A 'mini episode of depression' doesn't last throughout the day. That's called been fed up.

Depression is something entirely different and moe serious. People disagreed, you don't need to throw in Asbergers and depression.

Is it being fed up that I felt like killing myself that day

This

Added to that, have you ever considered keeping a journal to record your thoughts, feelings and moods in? Then it doesn't matter what people would think as they wouldn't have the opportunity to read it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A 'mini episode of depression' doesn't last throughout the day. That's called been fed up.

Depression is something entirely different and moe serious. People disagreed, you don't need to throw in Asbergers and depression.

Is it being fed up that I felt like killing myself that day

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

A 'mini episode of depression' doesn't last throughout the day. That's called been fed up.

Depression is something entirely different and moe serious. People disagreed, you don't need to throw in Asbergers and depression.

Is it being fed up that I felt like killing myself that day"

I think you're a little dramatic.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Total respect for teachers. I agree with training days. The training includes first aid and I'm sure everyone would be grateful of that at the school their child is in. I don't agree with the 5 New days off my son's school now have and class them as school development days. These r for painting walls and minor improvements. I do think they shud b scheduled during holidays

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

A 'mini episode of depression' doesn't last throughout the day. That's called been fed up.

Depression is something entirely different and moe serious. People disagreed, you don't need to throw in Asbergers and depression.

Is it being fed up that I felt like killing myself that day

I have tried but can't find groups that can help

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A 'mini episode of depression' doesn't last throughout the day. That's called been fed up.

Depression is something entirely different and moe serious. People disagreed, you don't need to throw in Asbergers and depression.

Is it being fed up that I felt like killing myself that day

I have tried but can't find groups that can help"

Google BAAS - Bolton Adult Autism Support. Looking at the website they help with Aspergers too.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

A 'mini episode of depression' doesn't last throughout the day. That's called been fed up.

Depression is something entirely different and moe serious. People disagreed, you don't need to throw in Asbergers and depression.

Is it being fed up that I felt like killing myself that day

I have tried but can't find groups that can help

Google BAAS - Bolton Adult Autism Support. Looking at the website they help with Aspergers too."

Thanks. I was told about this and had a look but wasn't sure how to get in touch. I'll have to have another look at it and try and get in touch

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And OP, as well as possibly looking into the BAAS group I mentioned, maybe talk to your GP about what's effecting you. They'll be able to refer you to useful services, including MIND, to provide more support.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"And OP, as well as possibly looking into the BAAS group I mentioned, maybe talk to your GP about what's effecting you. They'll be able to refer you to useful services, including MIND, to provide more support."

Ok. Thanks for the help

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Is that how you view teachers as child minders ? Is so maybe then maybe they should be paid accordingly.

Assuming a child minder will get £5 per hour per child, a little low some will earn more but you wouldn't earn less.

The average class is thirty children.

So that means a teacher should be on £150 per hour.

And they teach the little cherubs to read and write as well.

A bargain don't you think ?"

No - Im not saying teachers are child minders, but a chld minder is needed if the school is not running for some reason or other. I did a teacher training course and chose not to continue teaching because I had that choice. If teaches dont like their hours or pay they have the same choice.

I was just stating that to me (and possibly only me) think that a bit of extra thought when planning these days would help parents and teacers alike.

As I stated earlier, I think teachers do work hard and the majority do more than they need to. Please dont read wrongly into what I say. I dont mean to imply teachers are child minders.

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By *he devil wears pradaWoman over a year ago

gosport ish

"With half term coming up in a couple of weeks, I just want to ask who here thinks teacher training days are utter pointless?

It seems that schools these days have teacher training days 6 times a year which I believe are just an excuse to have an extra day off to be honest.

I think schools should scrap this poor excuse for a day off. If they say education is important then why are they going on so many strikes and having so many days off then?

I do apologize in advance if there are any teachers here. It's just my opinion to be honest"
As a teacher myself who was in training last Weds all day it was far from a day off! I attended four training sessions back to back starting at 8.15am and finishing at 17.45pm. They are not poor excuses for a day off they are manadatory and a part of my CPD. Perhaps get the correct info before slating teachers

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think there should be MORE paid teacher training days to get their plannings and training done. It's not fair expecting teachers to use their own time to prepare for next week's lessons, when the work day is over it should be over. You don't see call centre workers coming home and using their own phones to ring customers because the company gave them too high a quota, you don't see shop workers filling shelves when they aren't working but you regularly see teachers laminating and marking their evenings away, missing out on time with their own children because they are trying to take care of other people's children x

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By *radleywigginsMan over a year ago

northwest

Teaching must be the easiest job in the world. A one year course for a £30k start and a guaranteed 12 weeks off a year. Most of the training must be about how to complain about it!

All this bullshit about 'lesson planning', the 6 times table is hardly likely to change much year to year..

And for Christ's sake, 'difficult kids', isn't that because the schools fail to teach them anything?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

In south korea teachers are treated like celebrities.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Teaching must be the easiest job in the world. A one year course for a £30k start and a guaranteed 12 weeks off a year. Most of the training must be about how to complain about it!

All this bullshit about 'lesson planning', the 6 times table is hardly likely to change much year to year..

And for Christ's sake, 'difficult kids', isn't that because the schools fail to teach them anything?"

You are joking right?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Teaching must be the easiest job in the world. A one year course for a £30k start and a guaranteed 12 weeks off a year. Most of the training must be about how to complain about it!

All this bullshit about 'lesson planning', the 6 times table is hardly likely to change much year to year..

And for Christ's sake, 'difficult kids', isn't that because the schools fail to teach them anything?"

It's not a one year course though is it as they would have done a degree before that . And yes they have to do lesson plans as they have many subjects to teach and a curriculum to cover

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think there should be MORE paid teacher training days to get their plannings and training done. It's not fair expecting teachers to use their own time to prepare for next week's lessons, when the work day is over it should be over. You don't see call centre workers coming home and using their own phones to ring customers because the company gave them too high a quota, you don't see shop workers filling shelves when they aren't working but you regularly see teachers laminating and marking their evenings away, missing out on time with their own children because they are trying to take care of other people's children x"

xxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Teaching must be the easiest job in the world. A one year course for a £30k start and a guaranteed 12 weeks off a year. Most of the training must be about how to complain about it!

All this bullshit about 'lesson planning', the 6 times table is hardly likely to change much year to year..

And for Christ's sake, 'difficult kids', isn't that because the schools fail to teach them anything?

You are joking right?"

Hopefully...

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By *radleywigginsMan over a year ago

northwest

"Teaching must be the easiest job in the world. A one year course for a £30k start and a guaranteed 12 weeks off a year. Most of the training must be about how to complain about it!

All this bullshit about 'lesson planning', the 6 times table is hardly likely to change much year to year..

And for Christ's sake, 'difficult kids', isn't that because the schools fail to teach them anything?

You are joking right?"

Yes.. I forgot to mention those tricky 3 o'clock finishes.

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By *oodnitegirlWoman over a year ago

Yorkshire

I'm gonna start asking for them in my profession. They sound good

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple over a year ago

chingford

"Teaching must be the easiest job in the world. A one year course for a £30k start and a guaranteed 12 weeks off a year. Most of the training must be about how to complain about it!

All this bullshit about 'lesson planning', the 6 times table is hardly likely to change much year to year..

And for Christ's sake, 'difficult kids', isn't that because the schools fail to teach them anything?

You are joking right?

Yes.. I forgot to mention those tricky 3 o'clock finishes. "

Do you have children ?

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By *radleywigginsMan over a year ago

northwest

"Teaching must be the easiest job in the world. A one year course for a £30k start and a guaranteed 12 weeks off a year. Most of the training must be about how to complain about it!

All this bullshit about 'lesson planning', the 6 times table is hardly likely to change much year to year..

And for Christ's sake, 'difficult kids', isn't that because the schools fail to teach them anything?

You are joking right?

Yes.. I forgot to mention those tricky 3 o'clock finishes.

Do you have children ?"

Does that make any difference whatsoever? I'm sure nobody is about to stoop so low as the 'you won't know until you have kids of your own nonesense...'

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Teaching must be the easiest job in the world. A one year course for a £30k start and a guaranteed 12 weeks off a year. Most of the training must be about how to complain about it!

All this bullshit about 'lesson planning', the 6 times table is hardly likely to change much year to year..

And for Christ's sake, 'difficult kids', isn't that because the schools fail to teach them anything?

You are joking right?

Yes.. I forgot to mention those tricky 3 o'clock finishes.

Do you have children ?

Does that make any difference whatsoever? I'm sure nobody is about to stoop so low as the 'you won't know until you have kids of your own nonesense...'"

I don't have kids, so I'm definitely qualified to state that this is utter, utter crap.

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By *radleywigginsMan over a year ago

northwest

"Teaching must be the easiest job in the world. A one year course for a £30k start and a guaranteed 12 weeks off a year. Most of the training must be about how to complain about it!

All this bullshit about 'lesson planning', the 6 times table is hardly likely to change much year to year..

And for Christ's sake, 'difficult kids', isn't that because the schools fail to teach them anything?

It's not a one year course though is it as they would have done a degree before that . And yes they have to do lesson plans as they have many subjects to teach and a curriculum to cover "

The 'degree'?!! Shit. It's not as if it has to be relevant to the subject they teach.

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By *radleywigginsMan over a year ago

northwest

"Teaching must be the easiest job in the world. A one year course for a £30k start and a guaranteed 12 weeks off a year. Most of the training must be about how to complain about it!

All this bullshit about 'lesson planning', the 6 times table is hardly likely to change much year to year..

And for Christ's sake, 'difficult kids', isn't that because the schools fail to teach them anything?

You are joking right?

Yes.. I forgot to mention those tricky 3 o'clock finishes.

Do you have children ?

Does that make any difference whatsoever? I'm sure nobody is about to stoop so low as the 'you won't know until you have kids of your own nonesense...'

I don't have kids, so I'm definitely qualified to state that this is utter, utter crap. "

What about a job?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Teaching must be the easiest job in the world. A one year course for a £30k start and a guaranteed 12 weeks off a year. Most of the training must be about how to complain about it!

All this bullshit about 'lesson planning', the 6 times table is hardly likely to change much year to year..

And for Christ's sake, 'difficult kids', isn't that because the schools fail to teach them anything?

You are joking right?

Yes.. I forgot to mention those tricky 3 o'clock finishes.

Do you have children ?

Does that make any difference whatsoever? I'm sure nobody is about to stoop so low as the 'you won't know until you have kids of your own nonesense...'

I don't have kids, so I'm definitely qualified to state that this is utter, utter crap.

What about a job?"

What about it?

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple over a year ago

chingford

"Teaching must be the easiest job in the world. A one year course for a £30k start and a guaranteed 12 weeks off a year. Most of the training must be about how to complain about it!

All this bullshit about 'lesson planning', the 6 times table is hardly likely to change much year to year..

And for Christ's sake, 'difficult kids', isn't that because the schools fail to teach them anything?

You are joking right?

Yes.. I forgot to mention those tricky 3 o'clock finishes.

Do you have children ?

Does that make any difference whatsoever? I'm sure nobody is about to stoop so low as the 'you won't know until you have kids of your own nonesense...'"

I thought we were going to have a conversation but I'll let you rant on making a fool of yourself.

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

"Teaching must be the easiest job in the world. A one year course for a £30k start and a guaranteed 12 weeks off a year. Most of the training must be about how to complain about it!

All this bullshit about 'lesson planning', the 6 times table is hardly likely to change much year to year..

And for Christ's sake, 'difficult kids', isn't that because the schools fail to teach them anything?

You are joking right?

Yes.. I forgot to mention those tricky 3 o'clock finishes. "

The teachers at our kids achool run after school clubs in their subjects.

I doubt lots of peoole can do the maths taught in school these days, I'm an engineer and can just keep up.

Having kids is relevant, because you can speak from experience rather than just trolling nonesense.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just an excuse to get pissed

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

"Teaching must be the easiest job in the world. A one year course for a £30k start and a guaranteed 12 weeks off a year. Most of the training must be about how to complain about it!

A degree and it's £22k. But don't let facts get in the way.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Teachers rule. Even if I did hate them at school myself.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Teaching must be the easiest job in the world. A one year course for a £30k start and a guaranteed 12 weeks off a year. Most of the training must be about how to complain about it!

All this bullshit about 'lesson planning', the 6 times table is hardly likely to change much year to year..

And for Christ's sake, 'difficult kids', isn't that because the schools fail to teach them anything?

You are joking right?

Yes.. I forgot to mention those tricky 3 o'clock finishes.

Do you have children ?

Does that make any difference whatsoever? I'm sure nobody is about to stoop so low as the 'you won't know until you have kids of your own nonesense...'"

No but considering you blame teachers if kids are difficult seemingly ignoring the role of parents I'm possibly not alone in being relieved that you don't

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just an excuse to get pissed"

What are? Did you mean to post this on a different thread?

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Just an excuse to get pissed"

Kids these days!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just an excuse to get pissed"

You don't know much about the teaching profession then? Only the uninformed would make such write such a stupid comment.

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Teaching must be the easiest job in the world. A one year course for a £30k start and a guaranteed 12 weeks off a year. Most of the training must be about how to complain about it!

All this bullshit about 'lesson planning', the 6 times table is hardly likely to change much year to year..

And for Christ's sake, 'difficult kids', isn't that because the schools fail to teach them anything?"

Maybe once upon a time. Now they have OFSTED barging around, changing everything annually, and parents punching them on the nose because they dared to try and teach some kid who'd rather spend their time looking at their phones.

I wouldn't teach for double the money they get.

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple over a year ago

chingford

"Just an excuse to get pissed

You don't know much about the teaching profession then? Only the uninformed would make such write such a stupid comment. "

Everybody knows teachers are constantly on the sauce.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Teaching must be the easiest job in the world. A one year course for a £30k start and a guaranteed 12 weeks off a year. Most of the training must be about how to complain about it!

All this bullshit about 'lesson planning', the 6 times table is hardly likely to change much year to year..

And for Christ's sake, 'difficult kids', isn't that because the schools fail to teach them anything?

I wouldn't teach for double the money they get. "

He's either a troll or a fuckwit. Neither are worth anyone's time of day..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Teaching must be the easiest job in the world. A one year course for a £30k start and a guaranteed 12 weeks off a year. Most of the training must be about how to complain about it!

All this bullshit about 'lesson planning', the 6 times table is hardly likely to change much year to year..

And for Christ's sake, 'difficult kids', isn't that because the schools fail to teach them anything?"

Please tell me you've left off the

emojis, because you cannot be being serious?

E''s daughter is a teacher.

Apart from the glaring inaccuracy in your comment, it really does take a lot more than a year to qualify as a etcher, 12 weeks holiday or not, I wouldn't be a teacher for £60k a year, let alone 30.

Not withstanding that they tend to work through their holiday and put in more than an 8 hour day.

I'm willing to bet if you add up the hours they do in and out of school they earn around minimum wage.

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By *ornishBiLoverMan over a year ago

Plymouth

Teacher training days are very important, parents want the best for their children and this is one way of ensuring staff development and training. They used to be known as baker days back in the eighties when they were first introduced.

Education is changing all the time, new ideas, new ways of teaching, improving standards etc etc.

I'm not a teacher however I do work in the education sector.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"Teaching must be the easiest job in the world. A one year course for a £30k start and a guaranteed 12 weeks off a year. Most of the training must be about how to complain about it!

All this bullshit about 'lesson planning', the 6 times table is hardly likely to change much year to year..

And for Christ's sake, 'difficult kids', isn't that because the schools fail to teach them anything?

You are joking right?

Yes.. I forgot to mention those tricky 3 o'clock finishes. "

You talk an awful lot of aggressive bollocks.

Teacher training courses are not one year courses and when you have passed your course you still have to work for a year before you are completely signed off as a teacher.

I don't know any teacher that finishes at 3pm.

Have you seen the changes in the way things are taught since you were at school?

This thread wasn't started by teachers complaining about training. It was started by some who knows not more than you it seems.

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By *he devil wears pradaWoman over a year ago

gosport ish

"Teaching must be the easiest job in the world. A one year course for a £30k start and a guaranteed 12 weeks off a year. Most of the training must be about how to complain about it!

All this bullshit about 'lesson planning', the 6 times table is hardly likely to change much year to year..

And for Christ's sake, 'difficult kids', isn't that because the schools fail to teach them anything?"
I can guarantee that it is not an easy job, I did not start on 30K and most of my junior colleagues are not on that either. Guaranteed 12 weeks off is incorrect as well. Suggest you get the facts correct before you start spouting BS op

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By *ornishBiLoverMan over a year ago

Plymouth

"Teaching must be the easiest job in the world. A one year course for a £30k start and a guaranteed 12 weeks off a year. Most of the training must be about how to complain about it!

All this bullshit about 'lesson planning', the 6 times table is hardly likely to change much year to year..

And for Christ's sake, 'difficult kids', isn't that because the schools fail to teach them anything?

Please tell me you've left off the

emojis, because you cannot be being serious?

E''s daughter is a teacher.

Apart from the glaring inaccuracy in your comment, it really does take a lot more than a year to qualify as a etcher, 12 weeks holiday or not, I wouldn't be a teacher for £60k a year, let alone 30.

Not withstanding that they tend to work through their holiday and put in more than an 8 hour day.

I'm willing to bet if you add up the hours they do in and out of school they earn around minimum wage.

You must mean a 12 month post grad course. People need to get a degree first which takes 2 or 3 years depending if they fast-track or not, then its an intensive post-grad course.

Try it, you will very rapidly change your currently expressed views.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Teaching must be the easiest job in the world. A one year course for a £30k start and a guaranteed 12 weeks off a year. Most of the training must be about how to complain about it!

All this bullshit about 'lesson planning', the 6 times table is hardly likely to change much year to year..

And for Christ's sake, 'difficult kids', isn't that because the schools fail to teach them anything?

You are joking right?

Yes.. I forgot to mention those tricky 3 o'clock finishes.

You talk an awful lot of aggressive bollocks.

Teacher training courses are not one year courses and when you have passed your course you still have to work for a year before you are completely signed off as a teacher.

I don't know any teacher that finishes at 3pm.

Have you seen the changes in the way things are taught since you were at school?

This thread wasn't started by teachers complaining about training. It was started by some who knows not more than you it seems. "

Perhaps they're just alternative facts

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple over a year ago

chingford

"Teaching must be the easiest job in the world. A one year course for a £30k start and a guaranteed 12 weeks off a year. Most of the training must be about how to complain about it!

All this bullshit about 'lesson planning', the 6 times table is hardly likely to change much year to year..

And for Christ's sake, 'difficult kids', isn't that because the schools fail to teach them anything?

You are joking right?

Yes.. I forgot to mention those tricky 3 o'clock finishes.

You talk an awful lot of aggressive bollocks.

Teacher training courses are not one year courses and when you have passed your course you still have to work for a year before you are completely signed off as a teacher.

I don't know any teacher that finishes at 3pm.

Have you seen the changes in the way things are taught since you were at school?

This thread wasn't started by teachers complaining about training. It was started by some who knows not more than you it seems.

Perhaps they're just alternative facts

Fake news ?

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By *iss.HoneyWoman over a year ago

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"A day off? Seriously? Like any other school day they go in at 8am and finish at 6pm (or near enough).

The day instead of lessons has staff training because the government always changes something. There is always some way a school can improve and that training is vital.

Around that training the teachers prepare their classrooms, plan their lesson, they mark books, sort out data.

It's far from a day off and in fact is probably just as stressful as a normal school day. It is also very much needed to provide that all important education. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I teach and I run a department. Training days are full on, and they are the only time that it can happen between marking, prepping, meetings, parent phone calls, social worker phone calls, meetings with the police. If anyone thinks that teaching staff have an easy ride, I would suggest you get a few days working in an education setting. 30 students with a vast range of abilities, and disabilities, in one class, they all have to make progress and be challenged and supported simultaneously. And then dealing with their complex mental and social needs. It’s like juggling, and spinning plates, simultaneously and everything is on fire. Prior to being a teacher I was I served in the armed forces, and teaching is a stressful challenging and complex role which should not be underestimated.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Teaching must be the easiest job in the world. A one year course for a £30k start and a guaranteed 12 weeks off a year. Most of the training must be about how to complain about it!

All this bullshit about 'lesson planning', the 6 times table is hardly likely to change much year to year..

And for Christ's sake, 'difficult kids', isn't that because the schools fail to teach them anything?

Please tell me you've left off the

emojis, because you cannot be being serious?

E''s daughter is a teacher.

Apart from the glaring inaccuracy in your comment, it really does take a lot more than a year to qualify as a etcher, 12 weeks holiday or not, I wouldn't be a teacher for £60k a year, let alone 30.

Not withstanding that they tend to work through their holiday and put in more than an 8 hour day.

I'm willing to bet if you add up the hours they do in and out of school they earn around minimum wage.

You must mean a 12 month post grad course. People need to get a degree first which takes 2 or 3 years depending if they fast-track or not, then its an intensive post-grad course.

Try it, you will very rapidly change your currently expressed views.

I meant exactly what I typed.

I don't think you actually read it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Can't stand people who complain about other peoples job hours, wages, perks etc etc

Life's short so if you think another job is cushy or overpaid go to college, study and get that job you're envious about"

Fair point.

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"Teaching must be the easiest job in the world. A one year course for a £30k start and a guaranteed 12 weeks off a year. Most of the training must be about how to complain about it!

All this bullshit about 'lesson planning', the 6 times table is hardly likely to change much year to year..

And for Christ's sake, 'difficult kids', isn't that because the schools fail to teach them anything?

You are joking right?

Yes.. I forgot to mention those tricky 3 o'clock finishes. "

School staff clearly do teach them, what a ridiculous comment. Kids have behaviour issues for many reasons. You can't expect school staff to solve issues for the whole of society on 190 teaching days of approx 9-3. What is happening the rest of the time?

I don't know any teachers that work until three. Teachers work many hours into the evenings and weekends having a massive impact on their family life. I wonder if you would do that? I doubt it. They can't access cheap holidays, watch their own kids in school performances or assemblies.

Lesson planning is essential. Do you think they just rock up and do whatever they fancy? What has six times table got to do with planning? A class of 30 children with different abilities and needs, differentiation for each group takes planning. Marking work takes hours and obviously has to be done outside of the teaching hours. Parents evenings? Meetings with parents or other agencies? All outside of teaching hours.

You're not giving reasoned points you're just venting. Pointless.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Clearly talking out of your arse OP. Teachers work bloody hard and for the record don't only go in for the odd hour!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Teaching must be the easiest job in the world. A one year course for a £30k start and a guaranteed 12 weeks off a year. Most of the training must be about how to complain about it!

All this bullshit about 'lesson planning', the 6 times table is hardly likely to change much year to year..

And for Christ's sake, 'difficult kids', isn't that because the schools fail to teach them anything?

You are joking right?

Yes.. I forgot to mention those tricky 3 o'clock finishes.

You're not giving reasoned points you're just venting. Pointless.

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By *ost SockMan over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

"With half term coming up in a couple of weeks, I just want to ask who here thinks teacher training days are utter pointless?

It seems that schools these days have teacher training days 6 times a year which I believe are just an excuse to have an extra day off to be honest.

I think schools should scrap this poor excuse for a day off. If they say education is important then why are they going on so many strikes and having so many days off then?

I do apologize in advance if there are any teachers here. It's just my opinion to be honest"

I used to train teachers and FE lecturers on staff development days for 10 years.

They worked hard and were bombarded with information over a very full day. I worked damn hard training them.

What you don't realise is that teachers are much more than just that these days. They are constantly having to keep up with new developments, particularly policies for dealing with with the welfare of pupils/students, changed to the curriculum and IT.

Parents would be the first to complain if they weren't up to speed with these changes.

Does the odd one "swing the lead" on days like that. In my first-hand experience 95% take those days and work very hard on them. Your mate must be one of the crap 5%.

I'm not a teacher, but I spent years seeing what they do at first hand and supporting their work. The majority are extremely hard-working and cope with a hugely demanding, constrantly changing job. A large percentage of emails I received off them arrived in my inbox after 11pm at night and between 6am-7am.

Frankly, you are talking utter nonsense.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

BURN THEM ALL.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The most provoking and ignorant comments are coming from the same old people.

Nothing to see here.

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By *iss.HoneyWoman over a year ago

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I spend the day getting pissed

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

So what if these teachers want to go away with their family during half term? Thry can't go during term time

Im sure that if the TED was bolted on to the holidays rather than mid term, then this would be better for all?

And I do appreciate how hard teaching is. Im not knocking them or denying the need to keep up to date. It just seems as though extra strain is placed on parents at short notice."

It is the parents job to care for their children though isn't it? The school calendar is planned a year in advance and submitted to the authority. It is published on the local authority website, school websites and families tend to receive a hard copy of the calendar in advance of the academic year. It usually appears on newsletters, letters home and even by text. If it comes as a shock then the parent needs to take responsibility for that, not the school. 190 teaching days, 5 training days. It's the same every year, they are not thrown in randomly at a weeks notice.

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By *iss.HoneyWoman over a year ago

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Teaching is all 9-3.

Lessons are planned during this time too as well as marking and parents meetings all whilst teaching.

Sometimes They are left alone so that some training may take place..obviously

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Teaching is all 9-3.

Lessons are planned during this time too as well as marking and parents meetings all whilst teaching."

So you personally don't work beyond those hours?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Teaching is all 9-3.

Lessons are planned during this time too as well as marking and parents meetings all whilst teaching.

Sometimes They are left alone so that some training may take place..obviously

I'm smelling a whiff of sarcasm here....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You begrudge six days of staff development? You see it as a day off because your mate said?

Personally, I think they should have extra days off for having to potty train, buy appropriate weather clothes, provide breakfast etc because some parents are so useless and lazy.

Just my opinion of course. "

Don't know about the appropriate weather clothes because I've never heard of that happening, but do you expect parents to leave work to pop back to nurseries when their child needs the toilet or force them to eat before dropping them off to breakfast club, before going off to do an 8 hour day at work?

Not everyone has a partner who works different shifts, or from home, who can take over the child care, while they are at work.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Teaching is all 9-3.

Lessons are planned during this time too as well as marking and parents meetings all whilst teaching.

Sometimes They are left alone so that some training may take place..obviously

I'm smelling a whiff of sarcasm here....

I'm too d*unk to detect any other smell apart from my own breath.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Teaching must be the easiest job in the world. A one year course for a £30k start and a guaranteed 12 weeks off a year. Most of the training must be about how to complain about it!

All this bullshit about 'lesson planning', the 6 times table is hardly likely to change much year to year..

And for Christ's sake, 'difficult kids', isn't that because the schools fail to teach them anything?

You are joking right?

Yes.. I forgot to mention those tricky 3 o'clock finishes.

You're not giving reasoned points you're just venting. Pointless.

That's the biggest thing I remember from my childhood. Not having a parent in the hall smiling back at me. Xxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Teaching is all 9-3.

Lessons are planned during this time too as well as marking and parents meetings all whilst teaching.

Sometimes They are left alone so that some training may take place..obviously

I'm smelling a whiff of sarcasm here....

I'm too d*unk to detect any other smell apart from my own breath."

D*unk...are you a teacher too?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"You begrudge six days of staff development? You see it as a day off because your mate said?

Personally, I think they should have extra days off for having to potty train, buy appropriate weather clothes, provide breakfast etc because some parents are so useless and lazy.

Just my opinion of course.

Not everyone has a partner who works different shifts, or from home, who can take over the child care, while they are at work. "

They aren't taking about nursery workers. They are talking about teachers. Children should be using toilets by the time they go to school. Sadly a lot aren't and it's the teachers who have to deal with that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Teaching is all 9-3.

Lessons are planned during this time too as well as marking and parents meetings all whilst teaching.

Sometimes They are left alone so that some training may take place..obviously

I'm smelling a whiff of sarcasm here....

I'm too d*unk to detect any other smell apart from my own breath.

D*unk...are you a teacher too?"

They only drink on school nights

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Teaching is all 9-3.

Lessons are planned during this time too as well as marking and parents meetings all whilst teaching.

Sometimes They are left alone so that some training may take place..obviously

Teachers have some free periods, designated for prep time. Most I worked with had to work until at least 4 pm. Some worked later, some chose to go home and do their marking.

There are some teachers who mark work or prep for the next lesson during lesson times, and some who shirk their responsibilities. It becomes evident at the end of the year when they are held accountable for the grades of their students.

Some teachers go above and beyond what they are paid for.

Inset days were never a two hour affair. Everyone had training, moderation or prep for the new school year, for the whole day and nobody went home early.

Get a job in a school and see for yourself.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Teaching is all 9-3.

Lessons are planned during this time too as well as marking and parents meetings all whilst teaching.

Sometimes They are left alone so that some training may take place..obviously

I hope that includes tea and biscuit dunking time!

xxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You begrudge six days of staff development? You see it as a day off because your mate said?

Personally, I think they should have extra days off for having to potty train, buy appropriate weather clothes, provide breakfast etc because some parents are so useless and lazy.

Just my opinion of course.

Not everyone has a partner who works different shifts, or from home, who can take over the child care, while they are at work.

No, it's the teaching assistants who deal with it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Teaching is all 9-3.

Lessons are planned during this time too as well as marking and parents meetings all whilst teaching.

Sometimes They are left alone so that some training may take place..obviously

I'm smelling a whiff of sarcasm here....

I'm too d*unk to detect any other smell apart from my own breath.

D*unk...are you a teacher too?

They only drink on school nights"

And teacher training days

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"You begrudge six days of staff development? You see it as a day off because your mate said?

Personally, I think they should have extra days off for having to potty train, buy appropriate weather clothes, provide breakfast etc because some parents are so useless and lazy.

Just my opinion of course.

Not everyone has a partner who works different shifts, or from home, who can take over the child care, while they are at work.

No, it's the teaching assistants who deal with it. "

Well either way they aren't nursery aged children and no one in that setting should have to be dealing with children who don't know how to use a toilet. Nursery aged children you expect it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This post has just lost me a night of passion!! Facebook or school meeting would be more appropriate for this kinda stuff. The last thing I want to reading about especially on a sex site is kids..... sorry but had to be said

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This post has just lost me a night of passion!! Facebook or school meeting would be more appropriate for this kinda stuff. The last thing I want to reading about especially on a sex site is kids..... sorry but had to be said"

Why? This is the lounge within the rules we can have discussions on whatever we want.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

You really let words on a forum ruin your passion? That's pretty sad to be honest. We talk about all sorts on this board. What exactly were you hoping to read on a thread tailed teacher training days to keep your passion flowing?!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why? This is the lounge within the rules we can have discussions on whatever we want. "

Didn't you know we're meant to only discuss sex on here?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why? This is the lounge within the rules we can have discussions on whatever we want.

Didn't you know we're meant to only discuss sex on here?

Well I could of quite happily dragged my daugthers infants school teacher into the painting cupboard when I used to help out there.

xxx

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple over a year ago

Bedworth

"Teacher training days are far from a "day off". I'm a big fan of staff development, continuing professional development and training in my line of work so why would it be any different for teachers? "

Continuing training and professional development is a good thing.

I work in optics and all optometrists and qualified dispensing opticians MUST complete a set number of CET (continual education and training) points every year in order to stay registered with the GOC and lawfully practice. They don't get to take days off and do this, it has to be done in their own time, sometimes going to a seminar or course which they have to pay for.

If other professionals can complete their training and development without taking days off work then in my opinion, so can teachers

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What about advice on recipes?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Teaching is all 9-3.

Lessons are planned during this time too as well as marking and parents meetings all whilst teaching.

Sometimes They are left alone so that some training may take place..obviously

I'm smelling a whiff of sarcasm here....

I'm too d*unk to detect any other smell apart from my own breath.

D*unk...are you a teacher too?

They only drink on school nights

And teacher training days"

End of term blow outs.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Like I said my opinion... people come on here to want to forget about "adult responsibilities" and in my opinion talking about Schools and teachers on sex sitethat is the massive no. My opinion

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By *iss.HoneyWoman over a year ago

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"Teaching is all 9-3.

Lessons are planned during this time too as well as marking and parents meetings all whilst teaching.

So you personally don't work beyond those hours?"

I bloody wish. Add 4 hours to that day, plus the evening and weekend work

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"Like I said my opinion... people come on here to want to forget about "adult responsibilities" and in my opinion talking about Schools and teachers on sex sitethat is the massive no. My opinion "

Yet you continue to post on a thread about it. Why not focus on how you want to use the site and let others get on with what they want to talk about?

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By *iss.HoneyWoman over a year ago

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"Teaching is all 9-3.

Lessons are planned during this time too as well as marking and parents meetings all whilst teaching.

Sometimes They are left alone so that some training may take place..obviously

Teachers have some free periods, designated for prep time. Most I worked with had to work until at least 4 pm. Some worked later, some chose to go home and do their marking.

Some teachers go above and beyond what they are paid for.

Inset days were never a two hour affair. Everyone had training, moderation or prep for the new school year, for the whole day and nobody went home early.

Get a job in a school and see for yourself. "

Erm ok, I'll get a job in a school

Maybe I'll educate people on sarcasm too

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By *iss.HoneyWoman over a year ago

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"Teaching is all 9-3.

Lessons are planned during this time too as well as marking and parents meetings all whilst teaching.

Sometimes They are left alone so that some training may take place..obviously

I hope that includes tea and biscuit dunking time!

xxx"

Yes of course

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By *iss.HoneyWoman over a year ago

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"You begrudge six days of staff development? You see it as a day off because your mate said?

Personally, I think they should have extra days off for having to potty train, buy appropriate weather clothes, provide breakfast etc because some parents are so useless and lazy.

Just my opinion of course.

Not everyone has a partner who works different shifts, or from home, who can take over the child care, while they are at work.

No, it's the teaching assistants who deal with it. "

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By *ootiefruityCouple over a year ago

Somewhere in the middle

I dont know ANY teacher working on primary or secondary schools that finish at 3pm!

7.30am start until 5.30pm most days and then taking books home to mark until goodness knows what time.

Easiest job in the world lol lol x100000 at your comment

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Teaching must be the easiest job in the world. A one year course for a £30k start and a guaranteed 12 weeks off a year. Most of the training must be about how to complain about it!

All this bullshit about 'lesson planning', the 6 times table is hardly likely to change much year to year..

And for Christ's sake, 'difficult kids', isn't that because the schools fail to teach them anything?"

"Difficult kids?" Is that your professional opinion as a doctor? Please quit your day job if it is!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Like I said my opinion... people come on here to want to forget about "adult responsibilities" and in my opinion talking about Schools and teachers on sex sitethat is the massive no. My opinion "

I think this thread has been very successful. Its got us all talking and has given someone of us some new information. Xxx

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By *ost SockMan over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

"I dont know ANY teacher working on primary or secondary schools that finish at 3pm!

7.30am start until 5.30pm most days and then taking books home to mark until goodness knows what time.

Easiest job in the world lol lol x100000 at your comment "

Agreed. Would be interesting to know what the OP did for a living. I suspect the post was just a pretty cheap, ill-founded attempt to get a "bite".

Which in fairness succeeded to an extent

I've worked closely with hundreds of teachers, without being one myself. 5% were awful (but there's awful people in all professions), 85% were average to excellent and 10% were stunningly good.

Overall, I had huge respect for the profession after working with them.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Really? Just doing safeguarding and child protection training at the basic level takes a half day. They may also need to know stuff about the exam and curriculum changes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dont know ANY teacher working on primary or secondary schools that finish at 3pm!

7.30am start until 5.30pm most days and then taking books home to mark until goodness knows what time.

Easiest job in the world lol lol x100000 at your comment "

Or have a £30k starting salary.

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple over a year ago

chingford

"I dont know ANY teacher working on primary or secondary schools that finish at 3pm!

7.30am start until 5.30pm most days and then taking books home to mark until goodness knows what time.

Easiest job in the world lol lol x100000 at your comment "

We've got a meet in two hours and Hilary is struggling to finish her marking.

That means Sunday afternoon will be worktime now.

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By *ilary and DonaldCouple over a year ago

chingford

Why? This is the lounge within the rules we can have discussions on whatever we want.

Didn't you know we're meant to only discuss sex on here?

If we did I wouldn't come in at all.

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By *epper123Woman over a year ago

London

"I dont know ANY teacher working on primary or secondary schools that finish at 3pm!

7.30am start until 5.30pm most days and then taking books home to mark until goodness knows what time.

Easiest job in the world lol lol x100000 at your comment

We've got a meet in two hours and Hilary is struggling to finish her marking.

That means Sunday afternoon will be worktime now. "

Major part of the reason I dont have too many meets is I am at work from seven until at least six, often times seven or eight in the evening. This is to try to minimise what I take home with me, but often have five or six hours at the weekend too. Despite having my own family who are all teens and need support with their own school work. I am also in contact with their teachers too, regarding issues about their work or their behaviour. I make my working week at least seventy hours a week, plus all the holidays ....

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Teacher training days are far from a "day off". I'm a big fan of staff development, continuing professional development and training in my line of work so why would it be any different for teachers?

Continuing training and professional development is a good thing.

If other professionals can complete their training and development without taking days off work then in my opinion, so can teachers "

Does your professional training happen with others in your profession? Do you have any development that happens that is relevant to your organisation (policy and procedures, for instance)? There is value in professional development with your colleagues, as well as that you do outside of the workplace with others.

The number of days children attend school is set at 5 or 6 days fewer than the days that teachers are required to be there so the days are not affecting the school year.

I know there have been trials at some schools of doing a whole INSET week, making half term two weeks instead of one. I haven't seen any results on this but my guess is that they will have found it counter-productive.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dont know ANY teacher working on primary or secondary schools that finish at 3pm!

7.30am start until 5.30pm most days and then taking books home to mark until goodness knows what time.

Easiest job in the world lol lol x100000 at your comment

We've got a meet in two hours and Hilary is struggling to finish her marking.

That means Sunday afternoon will be worktime now. "

That sounds familiar

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What?! Scroll past if you don't want to read stuff, and certainly don't comment. Still trying to work out how you've lost a night of passion?!

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

So what if these teachers want to go away with their family during half term? Thry can't go during term time

Im sure that if the TED was bolted on to the holidays rather than mid term, then this would be better for all?

And I do appreciate how hard teaching is. Im not knocking them or denying the need to keep up to date. It just seems as though extra strain is placed on parents at short notice.

It's not that hard to pin up the calendar of dates the school sends. The week's notice is a reminder, not the first notice of the date.

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple over a year ago

Bedworth

"Teacher training days are far from a "day off". I'm a big fan of staff development, continuing professional development and training in my line of work so why would it be any different for teachers?

Continuing training and professional development is a good thing.

If other professionals can complete their training and development without taking days off work then in my opinion, so can teachers

The number of days children attend school is set at 5 or 6 days fewer than the days that teachers are required to be there so the days are not affecting the school year.

There are many CET seminars that take place around the country. The requirement to earn CET points not only involves personal study but also involves attending this type of seminar or conferences as some of the points must be earned via peer to peer discussion and development.

CET points are not earned for policy and procedure changes within the practice that you work at. In our practice we run mandatory training sessions outside of business hours for that.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"There are many CET seminars that take place around the country. The requirement to earn CET points not only involves personal study but also involves attending this type of seminar or conferences as some of the points must be earned via peer to peer discussion and development.

CET points are not earned for policy and procedure changes within the practice that you work at. In our practice we run mandatory training sessions outside of business hours for that."

That's the point: the teacher training days for the stuff that is needed for their organisation is covered outside of the business hours (190 days) on these INSET days.

Many teachers also undertake additional professional development in their own time.

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