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over a year ago
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That moment when you verbalise to your best friend with benefits, of almost 2 years, that if he's unable to see you that you may try to get cuddles with someone else. They are then so offended that they immediately end the friendship without chatting further.
Even though one meets people on here, not everyone is that open minded.
Have situations like the above ever taken you by surprise and how did it make you feel? |
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"That moment when you verbalise to your best friend with benefits, of almost 2 years, that if he's unable to see you that you may try to get cuddles with someone else. They are then so offended that they immediately end the friendship without chatting further.
Even though one meets people on here, not everyone is that open minded.
Have situations like the above ever taken you by surprise and how did it make you feel? " why did you tell him though? To try make him jealous? If he is just a friend with benefits there is no need to say. |
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"That moment when you verbalise to your best friend with benefits, of almost 2 years, that if he's unable to see you that you may try to get cuddles with someone else. They are then so offended that they immediately end the friendship without chatting further.
Even though one meets people on here, not everyone is that open minded.
Have situations like the above ever taken you by surprise and how did it make you feel? why did you tell him though? To try make him jealous? If he is just a friend with benefits there is no need to say. "
You're absolutely right. And I'm being sincere. It was very late. I was exhausted. I was stressed. And I made THE biggest mistake of my life. 4 months later and I still haven't got my cuddles. I was not thinking right/straight. I've paid the price and feel I always will. |
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"That moment when you verbalise to your best friend with benefits, of almost 2 years, that if he's unable to see you that you may try to get cuddles with someone else. They are then so offended that they immediately end the friendship without chatting further.
Even though one meets people on here, not everyone is that open minded.
Have situations like the above ever taken you by surprise and how did it make you feel? why did you tell him though? To try make him jealous? If he is just a friend with benefits there is no need to say.
You're absolutely right. And I'm being sincere. It was very late. I was exhausted. I was stressed. And I made THE biggest mistake of my life. 4 months later and I still haven't got my cuddles. I was not thinking right/straight. I've paid the price and feel I always will. "
With so much at stake for you it seems that it was more than just fwb. |
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"That moment when you verbalise to your best friend with benefits, of almost 2 years, that if he's unable to see you that you may try to get cuddles with someone else. They are then so offended that they immediately end the friendship without chatting further.
Even though one meets people on here, not everyone is that open minded.
Have situations like the above ever taken you by surprise and how did it make you feel? why did you tell him though? To try make him jealous? If he is just a friend with benefits there is no need to say.
You're absolutely right. And I'm being sincere. It was very late. I was exhausted. I was stressed. And I made THE biggest mistake of my life. 4 months later and I still haven't got my cuddles. I was not thinking right/straight. I've paid the price and feel I always will. " He sounds like he meant more to you than a friend with benefits, you could try reaching out to him. |
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"That moment when you verbalise to your best friend with benefits, of almost 2 years, that if he's unable to see you that you may try to get cuddles with someone else. They are then so offended that they immediately end the friendship without chatting further.
Even though one meets people on here, not everyone is that open minded.
Have situations like the above ever taken you by surprise and how did it make you feel? why did you tell him though? To try make him jealous? If he is just a friend with benefits there is no need to say.
You're absolutely right. And I'm being sincere. It was very late. I was exhausted. I was stressed. And I made THE biggest mistake of my life. 4 months later and I still haven't got my cuddles. I was not thinking right/straight. I've paid the price and feel I always will.
With so much at stake for you it seems that it was more than just fwb."
I knew then that I meant far more to him. Hence my broken heart. |
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By *orum TrollWoman
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"That moment when you verbalise to your best friend with benefits, of almost 2 years, that if he's unable to see you that you may try to get cuddles with someone else. They are then so offended that they immediately end the friendship without chatting further.
Even though one meets people on here, not everyone is that open minded.
Have situations like the above ever taken you by surprise and how did it make you feel? why did you tell him though? To try make him jealous? If he is just a friend with benefits there is no need to say.
You're absolutely right. And I'm being sincere. It was very late. I was exhausted. I was stressed. And I made THE biggest mistake of my life. 4 months later and I still haven't got my cuddles. I was not thinking right/straight. I've paid the price and feel I always will. "
i wouldn't wait 4 months for a guy anyway. he probably needed an ultimatum, or you did.
i think friends does have some level of responsibility also. if any of my real friends put me on a back burner they can fuck right off, same for guys i'm fucking. i will lose interest. |
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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago
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Yip I had a FWB who tore a strip off of me when I went to a social with someone and went back to theirs. He was in America on holiday with friends or so I thought. He later confessed to being married and had been on holiday with his wife and step daughter and apologised for his behaviour.
The relationship fizzled out after that. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"That moment when you verbalise to your best friend with benefits, of almost 2 years, that if he's unable to see you that you may try to get cuddles with someone else. They are then so offended that they immediately end the friendship without chatting further.
Even though one meets people on here, not everyone is that open minded.
Have situations like the above ever taken you by surprise and how did it make you feel? why did you tell him though? To try make him jealous? If he is just a friend with benefits there is no need to say.
You're absolutely right. And I'm being sincere. It was very late. I was exhausted. I was stressed. And I made THE biggest mistake of my life. 4 months later and I still haven't got my cuddles. I was not thinking right/straight. I've paid the price and feel I always will.
i wouldn't wait 4 months for a guy anyway. he probably needed an ultimatum, or you did.
i think friends does have some level of responsibility also. if any of my real friends put me on a back burner they can fuck right off, same for guys i'm fucking. i will lose interest."
Don't get me wrong...I haven't been waiting for 4 months. I've been on and off on here. I just find it hard with chemistry for it to lead anywhere. |
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"That moment when you verbalise to your best friend with benefits, of almost 2 years, that if he's unable to see you that you may try to get cuddles with someone else. They are then so offended that they immediately end the friendship without chatting further.
Even though one meets people on here, not everyone is that open minded.
Have situations like the above ever taken you by surprise and how did it make you feel? "
Some people can become possessive of others and hate the thought of you enjoying yourself with someone else.
But its ok for them to do it ??
One rule for you ... one rule for them!
My advice dump is that person and find some one more worthy of your time and affection on an equal footing. |
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By *orum TrollWoman
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"That moment when you verbalise to your best friend with benefits, of almost 2 years, that if he's unable to see you that you may try to get cuddles with someone else. They are then so offended that they immediately end the friendship without chatting further.
Even though one meets people on here, not everyone is that open minded.
Have situations like the above ever taken you by surprise and how did it make you feel? why did you tell him though? To try make him jealous? If he is just a friend with benefits there is no need to say.
You're absolutely right. And I'm being sincere. It was very late. I was exhausted. I was stressed. And I made THE biggest mistake of my life. 4 months later and I still haven't got my cuddles. I was not thinking right/straight. I've paid the price and feel I always will.
i wouldn't wait 4 months for a guy anyway. he probably needed an ultimatum, or you did.
i think friends does have some level of responsibility also. if any of my real friends put me on a back burner they can fuck right off, same for guys i'm fucking. i will lose interest.
Don't get me wrong...I haven't been waiting for 4 months. I've been on and off on here. I just find it hard with chemistry for it to lead anywhere. "
i've been about for a couple of years. most guys are already attached (and lying about it/hiding it). like you can see in the comment after mine above.
and those who aren't. i feel they're somewhat fucked up and maybe open to relationships, but not quite and often only because they aren't getting sex off anyone else. more often than not they've got the mindset to be constantly chasing women for sex and not prioritise you, and when that fails they'll use you.
it's sad.
i think giving ultimatums is good for your mental state. if he didn't wanna compromise for you then you're better off without. seriously.
as a female online i've learned men are very much disposable, and probably should be tbh. you can have 'relationships' easily where you haven't a fucking clue what the guy wants or if he's talking out of his arse half the time.
i do understand why ppl say don't look for relationships in this atmosphere, or your marriage has to be strong to swing.
do you feel he was leading you on? |
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"That moment when you verbalise to your best friend with benefits, of almost 2 years, that if he's unable to see you that you may try to get cuddles with someone else. They are then so offended that they immediately end the friendship without chatting further.
Even though one meets people on here, not everyone is that open minded.
Have situations like the above ever taken you by surprise and how did it make you feel?
Some people can become possessive of others and hate the thought of you enjoying yourself with someone else.
But its ok for them to do it ??
One rule for you ... one rule for them!
My advice dump is that person and find some one more worthy of your time and affection on an equal footing. "
Your quite perceptive. |
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"That moment when you verbalise to your best friend with benefits, of almost 2 years, that if he's unable to see you that you may try to get cuddles with someone else. They are then so offended that they immediately end the friendship without chatting further.
Even though one meets people on here, not everyone is that open minded.
Have situations like the above ever taken you by surprise and how did it make you feel?
Some people can become possessive of others and hate the thought of you enjoying yourself with someone else.
But its ok for them to do it ??
One rule for you ... one rule for them!
My advice dump is that person and find some one more worthy of your time and affection on an equal footing.
Your quite perceptive. "
Its a gift and a curse. Like a double edged sword |
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as a female online i've learned men are very much disposable, and probably should be tbh. you can have 'relationships' easily where you haven't a fucking clue what the guy wants or if he's talking out of his arse half the time.
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Disposable??
I feel so special. . |
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By *orum TrollWoman
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"Jesus, I know what you mean as I can be perceptive myself. How we become to be this way is a bit of a mystery. Could it be one's evolution..."
observation, and empathy -the ability to put yourself in someone elses shoes. |
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"Jesus, I know what you mean as I can be perceptive myself. How we become to be this way is a bit of a mystery. Could it be one's evolution..." Genetics some people are just born winners |
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as a female online i've learned men are very much disposable, and probably should be tbh. you can have 'relationships' easily where you haven't a fucking clue what the guy wants or if he's talking out of his arse half the time.
Disposable??
I feel so special. . "
meh. i replied, that's enough surely.
basically i treat people like they treat me. except with more style. |
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as a female online i've learned men are very much disposable, and probably should be tbh. you can have 'relationships' easily where you haven't a fucking clue what the guy wants or if he's talking out of his arse half the time.
Disposable??
I feel so special. . "
Where did you get that quote from?... absolutely terrible way of being if you ask me. |
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"Jesus, I know what you mean as I can be perceptive myself. How we become to be this way is a bit of a mystery. Could it be one's evolution... Genetics some people are just born winners "
Hehe you've made me laugh! |
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as a female online i've learned men are very much disposable, and probably should be tbh. you can have 'relationships' easily where you haven't a fucking clue what the guy wants or if he's talking out of his arse half the time.
Disposable??
I feel so special. .
Where did you get that quote from?... absolutely terrible way of being if you ask me."
that's what a lot of people are like though, swinging is hedonistic and not usually because people wanna do you favours but more 'what can you do for me' type of place.
i always like to hear about relationships made and friendships in the swinging world, i feel it's pretty rare though. although i'm only just venturing into the social side of swinging now and looking forward to making friends who don't wanna fuck me or use me. |
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"That moment when you verbalise to your best friend with benefits, of almost 2 years, that if he's unable to see you that you may try to get cuddles with someone else. They are then so offended that they immediately end the friendship without chatting further.
Even though one meets people on here, not everyone is that open minded.
Have situations like the above ever taken you by surprise and how did it make you feel? "
I'm not sure it's got anything to do with being open minded. I don't think anybody is completely open minded we all have something we aren't willing to consider or accept in other people.
I think this is more to do with a misunderstanding of what friends with benefits means to each of you and a desire on the part of the other person to either bring your arrangement to an end or make it exclusive.
So not anything about open mindedness but more about lack of communication. |
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as a female online i've learned men are very much disposable, and probably should be tbh. you can have 'relationships' easily where you haven't a fucking clue what the guy wants or if he's talking out of his arse half the time.
Disposable??
I feel so special. .
Where did you get that quote from?... absolutely terrible way of being if you ask me."
Above. ^.
Are men disposable on Fab? Is that how we're seen?
That's Cute.
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as a female online i've learned men are very much disposable, and probably should be tbh. you can have 'relationships' easily where you haven't a fucking clue what the guy wants or if he's talking out of his arse half the time.
Disposable??
I feel so special. .
meh. i replied, that's enough surely.
basically i treat people like they treat me. except with more style. " . Yayy you're back, we missed you, glad you came back, hope all is good Mrs blue eyes |
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I had a fwb and we was on here and we knew where we both stood and due to her job she moved away and we made time to meet up together and to have meets but over time we drifted apart and it was a shame as it was great relationship and it was fun when it lasted i suppose |
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"That moment when you verbalise to your best friend with benefits, of almost 2 years, that if he's unable to see you that you may try to get cuddles with someone else. They are then so offended that they immediately end the friendship without chatting further.
Even though one meets people on here, not everyone is that open minded.
Have situations like the above ever taken you by surprise and how did it make you feel?
Some people can become possessive of others and hate the thought of you enjoying yourself with someone else.
But its ok for them to do it ??
One rule for you ... one rule for them!
My advice dump is that person and find some one more worthy of your time and affection on an equal footing. "
I read it as the op was unable to meet her special fwb so had a strop and said she'd meet someone else. As fwb no need to say who you're seeing, the whole point of such relationships no? Hence the op created the drama and instrumental in her own unhappiness.
Don't see how you've made it all his fault on the information the op provided. |
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By *orum TrollWoman
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as a female online i've learned men are very much disposable, and probably should be tbh. you can have 'relationships' easily where you haven't a fucking clue what the guy wants or if he's talking out of his arse half the time.
Disposable??
I feel so special. .
Where did you get that quote from?... absolutely terrible way of being if you ask me.
Above. ^.
Are men disposable on Fab? Is that how we're seen?
That's Cute.
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they are though.
like i said i wouldn't wait 4 months for someone off here. there's loads of guys playing stupid fucking games coz they're used to controlling women and their sexuality. well they can fuck right off and be disposed of.
it's not a bad thing at all. it means we women don't get used and can move onto someone else easily if we want to. |
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"That moment when you verbalise to your best friend with benefits, of almost 2 years, that if he's unable to see you that you may try to get cuddles with someone else. They are then so offended that they immediately end the friendship without chatting further.
Even though one meets people on here, not everyone is that open minded.
Have situations like the above ever taken you by surprise and how did it make you feel?
Some people can become possessive of others and hate the thought of you enjoying yourself with someone else.
But its ok for them to do it ??
One rule for you ... one rule for them!
My advice dump is that person and find some one more worthy of your time and affection on an equal footing.
I read it as the op was unable to meet her special fwb so had a strop and said she'd meet someone else. As fwb no need to say who you're seeing, the whole point of such relationships no? Hence the op created the drama and instrumental in her own unhappiness.
Don't see how you've made it all his fault on the information the op provided. "
Because im JESUS |
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By *orum TrollWoman
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as a female online i've learned men are very much disposable, and probably should be tbh. you can have 'relationships' easily where you haven't a fucking clue what the guy wants or if he's talking out of his arse half the time.
Disposable??
I feel so special. .
meh. i replied, that's enough surely.
basically i treat people like they treat me. except with more style. . Yayy you're back, we missed you, glad you came back, hope all is good Mrs blue eyes "
i'm fine, thanks for asking. |
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"That moment when you verbalise to your best friend with benefits, of almost 2 years, that if he's unable to see you that you may try to get cuddles with someone else. They are then so offended that they immediately end the friendship without chatting further.
Even though one meets people on here, not everyone is that open minded.
Have situations like the above ever taken you by surprise and how did it make you feel?
I'm not sure it's got anything to do with being open minded. I don't think anybody is completely open minded we all have something we aren't willing to consider or accept in other people.
I think this is more to do with a misunderstanding of what friends with benefits means to each of you and a desire on the part of the other person to either bring your arrangement to an end or make it exclusive.
So not anything about open mindedness but more about lack of communication."
Thank you for putting that eloquently across. This is what I've known but couldn't put it in words. |
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as a female online i've learned men are very much disposable, and probably should be tbh. you can have 'relationships' easily where you haven't a fucking clue what the guy wants or if he's talking out of his arse half the time.
Disposable??
I feel so special. .
Where did you get that quote from?... absolutely terrible way of being if you ask me.
that's what a lot of people are like though, swinging is hedonistic and not usually because people wanna do you favours but more 'what can you do for me' type of place.
i always like to hear about relationships made and friendships in the swinging world, i feel it's pretty rare though. although i'm only just venturing into the social side of swinging now and looking forward to making friends who don't wanna fuck me or use me."
It's not rare, many have met partners, married had a family via swinging. Met my other half here.
I also have three close friends I met via swinging. |
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"Sorry didn't answer the question. No I've never been in that particular situation but I'm sorry that you're hurting."
But you see...you were inspired to give the reply you did and I appreciate it. |
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By *orum TrollWoman
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as a female online i've learned men are very much disposable, and probably should be tbh. you can have 'relationships' easily where you haven't a fucking clue what the guy wants or if he's talking out of his arse half the time.
Disposable??
I feel so special. .
Where did you get that quote from?... absolutely terrible way of being if you ask me.
that's what a lot of people are like though, swinging is hedonistic and not usually because people wanna do you favours but more 'what can you do for me' type of place.
i always like to hear about relationships made and friendships in the swinging world, i feel it's pretty rare though. although i'm only just venturing into the social side of swinging now and looking forward to making friends who don't wanna fuck me or use me.
It's not rare, many have met partners, married had a family via swinging. Met my other half here.
I also have three close friends I met via swinging. "
we shall see. i'm half hopeful and half cynical right now. but yes things like this i like hearing about. |
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"That moment when you verbalise to your best friend with benefits, of almost 2 years, that if he's unable to see you that you may try to get cuddles with someone else. They are then so offended that they immediately end the friendship without chatting further.
Even though one meets people on here, not everyone is that open minded.
Have situations like the above ever taken you by surprise and how did it make you feel?
Some people can become possessive of others and hate the thought of you enjoying yourself with someone else.
But its ok for them to do it ??
One rule for you ... one rule for them!
My advice dump is that person and find some one more worthy of your time and affection on an equal footing.
I read it as the op was unable to meet her special fwb so had a strop and said she'd meet someone else. As fwb no need to say who you're seeing, the whole point of such relationships no? Hence the op created the drama and instrumental in her own unhappiness.
Don't see how you've made it all his fault on the information the op provided.
Because im JESUS "
fair dos! |
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"That moment when you verbalise to your best friend with benefits, of almost 2 years, that if he's unable to see you that you may try to get cuddles with someone else. They are then so offended that they immediately end the friendship without chatting further.
Even though one meets people on here, not everyone is that open minded.
Have situations like the above ever taken you by surprise and how did it make you feel?
Some people can become possessive of others and hate the thought of you enjoying yourself with someone else.
But its ok for them to do it ??
One rule for you ... one rule for them!
My advice dump is that person and find some one more worthy of your time and affection on an equal footing.
I read it as the op was unable to meet her special fwb so had a strop and said she'd meet someone else. As fwb no need to say who you're seeing, the whole point of such relationships no? Hence the op created the drama and instrumental in her own unhappiness.
Don't see how you've made it all his fault on the information the op provided. "
God almighty....that's absolutely so not true. You've dramatically assumed I'm afraid. |
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"That moment when you verbalise to your best friend with benefits, of almost 2 years, that if he's unable to see you that you may try to get cuddles with someone else. They are then so offended that they immediately end the friendship without chatting further.
Even though one meets people on here, not everyone is that open minded.
Have situations like the above ever taken you by surprise and how did it make you feel?
Some people can become possessive of others and hate the thought of you enjoying yourself with someone else.
But its ok for them to do it ??
One rule for you ... one rule for them!
My advice dump is that person and find some one more worthy of your time and affection on an equal footing.
I read it as the op was unable to meet her special fwb so had a strop and said she'd meet someone else. As fwb no need to say who you're seeing, the whole point of such relationships no? Hence the op created the drama and instrumental in her own unhappiness.
Don't see how you've made it all his fault on the information the op provided. "
Your first bit wasn't assumed correctly. But being the transparent person I am...I did create the drama. |
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It's just my point about communicating via words through texting and messaging...there will always be missed nuances. If my friend saw my face, heard my tonation....I know it would have had a better outcome. |
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"It's just my point about communicating via words through texting and messaging...there will always be missed nuances. If my friend saw my face, heard my tonation....I know it would have had a better outcome. "
Do not worry my child
Have faith |
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"It's just my point about communicating via words through texting and messaging...there will always be missed nuances. If my friend saw my face, heard my tonation....I know it would have had a better outcome.
Do not worry my child
Have faith "
You're sooooo nice.
I believe in miracles. |
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"That moment when you verbalise to your best friend with benefits, of almost 2 years, that if he's unable to see you that you may try to get cuddles with someone else. They are then so offended that they immediately end the friendship without chatting further.
Even though one meets people on here, not everyone is that open minded.
Have situations like the above ever taken you by surprise and how did it make you feel?
Some people can become possessive of others and hate the thought of you enjoying yourself with someone else.
But its ok for them to do it ??
One rule for you ... one rule for them!
My advice dump is that person and find some one more worthy of your time and affection on an equal footing.
I read it as the op was unable to meet her special fwb so had a strop and said she'd meet someone else. As fwb no need to say who you're seeing, the whole point of such relationships no? Hence the op created the drama and instrumental in her own unhappiness.
Don't see how you've made it all his fault on the information the op provided.
Your first bit wasn't assumed correctly. But being the transparent person I am...I did create the drama. "
You said when your friend couldn't meet you said you'd try and meet someone else for cuddles. If I've got it wrong I apologise, but it read like a "I'll get someone else then!" |
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What where the original ground rules/boundaries/understanding. Have you moved the goal posts from what was set 2 years ago. It's fine to grow and evolve but you can't expect other to do too. Maybe your desire and expectations have grown apart?
Agree it's a shame they won't talk it through, especially after 2 years together. But I don't think it about you being in an upper teir of open-mindedness, just a conflict in direction. If something don't work for all involved, then it don't work at all. |
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"What where the original ground rules/boundaries/understanding. Have you moved the goal posts from what was set 2 years ago. It's fine to grow and evolve but you can't expect other to do too. Maybe your desire and expectations have grown apart?
Agree it's a shame they won't talk it through, especially after 2 years together. But I don't think it about you being in an upper teir of open-mindedness, just a conflict in direction. If something don't work for all involved, then it don't work at all."
Key word which you've mentioned is "communication"...and one cannot do that properly on a phone texting...some things should never be mentioned in texting. |
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"I thought on here people would be open minded. How wrong was I.
Why has he broke the friendship, isn't sharing is what swinging is all about?"
You seem to understand what I was initially trying to get at. The big realisation is that not everyone on a swinger/sex site is open minded....which is fine...but surprising. |
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"I thought on here people would be open minded. How wrong was I.
Why has he broke the friendship, isn't sharing is what swinging is all about?
You seem to understand what I was initially trying to get at. The big realisation is that not everyone on a swinger/sex site is open minded....which is fine...but surprising. "
I was quite surprised to find when we first began swinging that some of the least open minded people I've ever encountered are swingers. |
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"I thought on here people would be open minded. How wrong was I.
Why has he broke the friendship, isn't sharing is what swinging is all about?
You seem to understand what I was initially trying to get at. The big realisation is that not everyone on a swinger/sex site is open minded....which is fine...but surprising.
I was quite surprised to find when we first began swinging that some of the least open minded people I've ever encountered are swingers."
And the most ironic thing is that I don't class myself as a swinger but I am open minded. |
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"Open mindedness covers a very broad spectrum and its not as simple to quantify as individual opinions vary greatly depending on the exact topic."
You're absolutely right that it's not simple...its as vast as the sea...lake or river you're driving that boat on. |
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