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"Fairy Job Mother!" Was that on Ch4? x | |||
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" I'll have the blow job please. But seriously, i recall reading an article about Wisconsin, i believe, which takes this approach rather than job centres ie pay professional firms to get people into work with a high success rate." Yes, I think thats the way forward for people who have been out of work for a long time or never worked, they have issues which aren't always understood, with proper motivation they get the enthusiasm to get to work, Z | |||
" I'll have the blow job please. But seriously, i recall reading an article about Wisconsin, i believe, which takes this approach rather than job centres ie pay professional firms to get people into work with a high success rate. Yes, I think thats the way forward for people who have been out of work for a long time or never worked, they have issues which aren't always understood, with proper motivation they get the enthusiasm to get to work, Z" I agree  | |||
"Hi, there are programs like this running, the Job centre is working with colleges training the unemployed in back to work schemes." Was unemployed last year, the support was minimal to the point of non-existant. One of their staff told me that their purpose was to ensre I was looking for work not to help me find some. | |||
" I'll have the blow job please. But seriously, i recall reading an article about Wisconsin, i believe, which takes this approach rather than job centres ie pay professional firms to get people into work with a high success rate. Yes, I think thats the way forward for people who have been out of work for a long time or never worked, they have issues which aren't always understood, with proper motivation they get the enthusiasm to get to work, Z I agree "You don't work  | |||
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"Some job centres dont give a damn. My neice has a job lined up but the company says she has to buy her own steel toe cap shoes(told which ones.at 90 quid). She hasnt the money to do this so asked at the jc for the money and they refused. So no job . kin typical "That is shocking. I was under the imnpression that once you had been on JSA for so long there was a budget to kit you out with what ever you needed cloting wise? It needs signing off but as long as the claim is justified and reasonable I thought it had to be approved. | |||
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"Some job centres dont give a damn. My neice has a job lined up but the company says she has to buy her own steel toe cap shoes(told which ones.at 90 quid). She hasnt the money to do this so asked at the jc for the money and they refused. So no job . kin typical
That is shocking. I was under the imnpression that once you had been on JSA for so long there was a budget to kit you out with what ever you needed cloting wise? It needs signing off but as long as the claim is justified and reasonable I thought it had to be approved.
"Which might be why companies specify £90 steel toe cap shoes when they're otherwise avaiable from around £17. | |||
"Some job centres dont give a damn. My neice has a job lined up but the company says she has to buy her own steel toe cap shoes(told which ones.at 90 quid). She hasnt the money to do this so asked at the jc for the money and they refused. So no job . kin typical
That is shocking. I was under the imnpression that once you had been on JSA for so long there was a budget to kit you out with what ever you needed cloting wise? It needs signing off but as long as the claim is justified and reasonable I thought it had to be approved.
"Club together to get the shoes she needs - 4 people at 22.50 each - why should the government pay for everything? Z | |||
"Job centres do nothing They expect you to travel miles for interviews that you dont have the money for Decent outfits for interviews bus fares to go and sign on Not sure where they think people are getting this money out of £50 but my son took a job that paid the same as dole (10 hours a week) just to stay of benefits and next week he starts a new job of 19 hrs a week with the chance of covering holidays and sick days" Glad to hear. It's a start, hope he progresses to better things and full time work. | |||
"Some job centres dont give a damn. My neice has a job lined up but the company says she has to buy her own steel toe cap shoes(told which ones.at 90 quid). She hasnt the money to do this so asked at the jc for the money and they refused. So no job . kin typical
That is shocking. I was under the imnpression that once you had been on JSA for so long there was a budget to kit you out with what ever you needed cloting wise? It needs signing off but as long as the claim is justified and reasonable I thought it had to be approved.
"They said to her that said allowance for clothes etc had ben halved and she didnt warrant having it,. she said the company should give her the shoes she needs. So tomorrow she has to ring them up and tell them what the job centresaid and she is so nervous. Itbuger her chances up for the job all together | |||
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"Genguy- that sounds scandalous what is happening there. How does cutting the support services for people out of work help get Britain's economy going again? Perhap's Comedy Dave's much-relaunched "Big Society" fills the gap? How are the people at the Job Centre going to motivated aswell probably knowing that soon they too will be out of work. Will The Job Fairy be sorting that one out too?" The scandalous thing is that all the government's quotes about helping the Unemployed, is really they give with one hand and take away with the other! On Panorama on BBC1 on Monday, they showed how difficult it is for young unemployed to get work. One guy said he'd had 100 reject letters! What luxury compared to what I've had!! I'm getting out at least 12 applications a week; the response rate is 2% in my area! I'm also 56 years old and in this city once you breach 40, it's game over as far as work goes. Ageism reigns supreme, despite the legislation introduced 2 - 3 years ago. I don't know when I'll get back into work. Government funding for Training etc for the over 50's lasts now for only 13 weeks from being made redundant; it used to be 2 years, but the Government has reduced that due to cutbacks. The Job Centre staff at the office I go to are very good, but they are trying to say to me that I'd be best retiring now and I'd get retirement tax credits. But I want to work!! | |||
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" Simple solution. Let's all work for the Government. Let the public pay for all of us. Genguy, do you not consider your current business as work? Just a thought." Fully accept what you say! The Job Centre people are fully aware that I have a little home based business which I'd love to get off the ground, but which at the moment, would not sustain me for a week, let alone a whole year and beyond. So my work searching is on 2 levels, looking for F/T work and networking for my business too. | |||
Oh and i would like to see how many of the ppl in the show kept the job when the cameras went away. | |||
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""The answer my friend is blowing in the wind....the answer is blowing in the wind"" With "Idiot Wind" as the B side? | |||
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" Good luck. At least you're trying exceptionally hard. I know what you say about the over 50's. When are these supposed 10,000 wind farm related jobs due on stream? " Not for another 2 years at least! Problem is that where the major Investment is going to be centred is on an existing Dock for which funding is ready, but all the necessary Planning applications have yet to be cleared. Once the admin bits 'n pieces are out of the way, it should all start to fall into place. But....the local council changed from being Lib Dem run to reverting back to Labour in the May local elections. Yhe incoming Labour council has pledged to ensure all jobs and projects will remain secure...but their record of doing so in the past isn't that brilliant, so it is a case of "wait and see" | |||
"No.....Candle in the wind is on the B side....sung by Vince Cable" That would be a power ballad then? | |||
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" I'll have the blow job please. But seriously, i recall reading an article about Wisconsin, i believe, which takes this approach rather than job centres ie pay professional firms to get people into work with a high success rate. Yes, I think thats the way forward for people who have been out of work for a long time or never worked, they have issues which aren't always understood, with proper motivation they get the enthusiasm to get to work, Z I agree "+1 | |||
" I'll have the blow job please. But seriously, i recall reading an article about Wisconsin, i believe, which takes this approach rather than job centres ie pay professional firms to get people into work with a high success rate. Yes, I think thats the way forward for people who have been out of work for a long time or never worked, they have issues which aren't always understood, with proper motivation they get the enthusiasm to get to work, Z I agree
+1"I also learnt from a German guy who was in a Job Club a few years ago at the same time as me, how Job Centre equivalents work in his country. There, once you sign on, you receive benefits equivalent to roughly 66% of your previous job's salary. So, if you earned £30k a year, you'd get £20k in benefits but you were expected to live on that! Plus, you had a meeting with the employment specialists who'd then work out an action plan....but you don't do the searching! The Governments own job seeking experts would source the job for you. German law also states you can legally turn down a new job if it is paying below what you were earning before you lost your last one, so it means you keep continuity of salary once you get back into work. In some respects, maybe not a bad idea. | |||
"In 2005 there was talk of a massive wind farm project in the Bristol channel, at the time they were also talking of massive jobs creation....running into the tens of thousands. It was first scaled down due to a lack of interest from private finance, then dropped down to a project that would create little over a couple of hundred full time jobs at an extraordinary cost....some £750,000 cost per job created if I remember right. When a parliamentary committee was launched to look into it they came to the conclusion that the jobs created would be massively over rated....when the story was broadcast on the Sunday Politics show in the Westcountry they used the Dylan track "Blowing in the wind" in the background as the show came to an end. Quite fitting at the time" Here in Hull, in our case, the private investment funding is all ready; the inbound companies are ready to commit themselves, so fingers crossed, things can all start moving in the next year. Actually, similar schemes on the South Bank, in Grimsby are planned; one major project has already started. | |||
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"Job centres do nothing They expect you to travel miles for interviews that you dont have the money for Decent outfits for interviews bus fares to go and sign on Not sure where they think people are getting this money out of £50 but my son took a job that paid the same as dole (10 hours a week) just to stay of benefits and next week he starts a new job of 19 hrs a week with the chance of covering holidays and sick days Glad to hear. It's a start, hope he progresses to better things and full time work." I'm pleased to hear it too but that only really works when the only support a jobseeker gets is the £50 odd quid per week. For a lot of unemployed people the 50 quid a week is a gateway to other benefits such as housing benefit, council tax benefit, free prescriptions and probably more. Sarcificing that for a weekly 'wage' of 10 hours at National Minimum Wage minus travel costs, sustainance, PPE where appropriate and so on + having to pay their rent/ mortgage, council tax etc. For some folks the sums just don't add up. | |||
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"Who watched this earlier? I think that the government should employ people to take a small number of people and work with them - in 2 weeks she got 3 out of 4 people in work with the last one getting himself a job a bit later. Seems like a good idea - I know the programme was a little like propoganda but it did seem to work. Z" thats a reality sho to make you believe it was real an wasnt, reason i no its down to the cuts there is very few many job clubs left now, but the idea is there n the torries have to do a rethink on that score | |||
"Its only a way into other benefits if your over a certain age and have your own accomodation etc. If your single and still at home you get very little and very little help re job centres . "That's the point I was making. It's one thing for someone who doesn't have access to other benefits to take a 10 hours a week job at National Minimum wage 'cos the loss is approximately equal to the gain. Someone who's having their mortgage and council tax paid, gets free eye tests and dental treatment, gets free prescriptions and free school meals and probably stuff I've never heard of has to do a completely different sum. | |||
"........ the torries have to do a rethink on that score" The Tories are having a rethink about just about everything at the moment. This http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/8576031/Leading-surgeon-interrupts-Cameron-hospital-visit.html is just brilliant. Cameron and Clegg get shown the door by an orthopod. This one will run and run. | |||
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".............. Plus if you have a foreign language or coming from another country you get a whole lot more." I didn't know that bit. What other stuff do you get? | |||
"Benefits Free housing + Council Tax Free dental Free optitions and discount glasses Free school Meals If you know where to go free holidays or days out Plus if you have a foreign language or coming from another country you get a whole lot more." You get more for speaking Welsh? | |||
"Benefits Free housing + Council Tax Free dental Free optitions and discount glasses Free school Meals If you know where to go free holidays or days out Plus if you have a foreign language or coming from another country you get a whole lot more." people still get them if there working also on low income | |||
"Benefits Free housing + Council Tax Free dental Free optitions and discount glasses Free school Meals If you know where to go free holidays or days out Plus if you have a foreign language or coming from another country you get a whole lot more. You get more for speaking Welsh?" I don't know about Welsh but the unemployment rate for Gaelic speakers seeking work in the main centres of population in Scotland is almost zero. The recent upturn in the supposed demand for Gaelic media,teaching and teaching support and translation has provided lots of jobs. Who'd have thought? | |||
" I'm pleased to hear it too but that only really works when the only support a jobseeker gets is the £50 odd quid per week. For a lot of unemployed people the 50 quid a week is a gateway to other benefits such as housing benefit, council tax benefit, free prescriptions and probably more. Sarcificing that for a weekly 'wage' of 10 hours at National Minimum Wage minus travel costs, sustainance, PPE where appropriate and so on + having to pay their rent/ mortgage, council tax etc. For some folks the sums just don't add up." Let me bring you up to date with some of the facts. I'm currently out of work, having been made redundant in February. A single person gets £67.50 per week in Job Seekers Allowance, but that is only for the first 6 months, after which it reverts to JSA assessed on another format. Until then, you still have to pay for Dental Treatment, Prescriptions, eye sight tests etc, but you get help with Council Tax rebates, and help towards housing costs, but the latter takes ages to filter through (my forms only arrived two weeks ago for completing!). I'm fortunate I don't have to pay for Prescriptions as I'm a Diabetic. As for Job Centres giving you help, it has all changed as successive governments have reduced or removed eligibility criteria, to reduce costs. Thus Travel to Interview expenses, or getting funds to buy a suit for an interview are now so damn difficult to obtain. Due to government cutbacks, our local Council has cut funds to all but 2 of the Job Clubs, such that they closed at the end of May. Any schemes that do exist are usually only open for the Unemployed to join, ONCE you have been out of work for at least 6 months. Any schemes that used to exist to help the "over 50's" find work with training and funding for up to 2 years, have now been scaled down; you get help for only 13 weeks after redundancy, but no-one told the Job Centres about that! Thus, when I was put forward to meet a funding provider, I got told on Day One, I was too late as the Job Centre hadn't placed me quickly enough. Thus, I lost out on Training & Funding opportunities! So, for the first 6 months of Unemployment, you are pretty well on your own; I look at finding work, becomes a job in its own right, but after averaging 50 applications a month and only one response so far, it can be soul destroying! But I'm persevering! | |||
" I'm pleased to hear it too but that only really works when the only support a jobseeker gets is the £50 odd quid per week. For a lot of unemployed people the 50 quid a week is a gateway to other benefits such as housing benefit, council tax benefit, free prescriptions and probably more. Sarcificing that for a weekly 'wage' of 10 hours at National Minimum Wage minus travel costs, sustainance, PPE where appropriate and so on + having to pay their rent/ mortgage, council tax etc. For some folks the sums just don't add up. Let me bring you up to date with some of the facts. I'm currently out of work, having been made redundant in February. A single person gets £67.50 per week in Job Seekers Allowance, but that is only for the first 6 months, after which it reverts to JSA assessed on another format. Until then, you still have to pay for Dental Treatment, Prescriptions, eye sight tests etc, but you get help with Council Tax rebates, and help towards housing costs, but the latter takes ages to filter through (my forms only arrived two weeks ago for completing!). I'm fortunate I don't have to pay for Prescriptions as I'm a Diabetic. As for Job Centres giving you help, it has all changed as successive governments have reduced or removed eligibility criteria, to reduce costs. Thus Travel to Interview expenses, or getting funds to buy a suit for an interview are now so damn difficult to obtain. Due to government cutbacks, our local Council has cut funds to all but 2 of the Job Clubs, such that they closed at the end of May. Any schemes that do exist are usually only open for the Unemployed to join, ONCE you have been out of work for at least 6 months. Any schemes that used to exist to help the "over 50's" find work with training and funding for up to 2 years, have now been scaled down; you get help for only 13 weeks after redundancy, but no-one told the Job Centres about that! Thus, when I was put forward to meet a funding provider, I got told on Day One, I was too late as the Job Centre hadn't placed me quickly enough. Thus, I lost out on Training & Funding opportunities! So, for the first 6 months of Unemployment, you are pretty well on your own; I look at finding work, becomes a job in its own right, but after averaging 50 applications a month and only one response so far, it can be soul destroying! But I'm persevering! "And good luck in finding what you are looking for. Quick question when you go to sign on how many of the people are english and how many have come from abroad. If I go pass our local job centre the enlish are out numbered. | |||
" And good luck in finding what you are looking for. Quick question when you go to sign on how many of the people are english and how many have come from abroad. If I go pass our local job centre the enlish are out numbered." From above " I didn't know that bit. What other stuff do you get?" | |||
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"The use of our NHS, education, free travel expences etc" The access to the NHS and education is exactly what Brits get in any EU country. Tell me more about the free travel expenses. | |||
"The use of our NHS, education, free travel expences etc" no 1 gets free travel unless yer over 60 | |||
" I'm pleased to hear it too but that only really works when the only support a jobseeker gets is the £50 odd quid per week. For a lot of unemployed people the 50 quid a week is a gateway to other benefits such as housing benefit, council tax benefit, free prescriptions and probably more. Sarcificing that for a weekly 'wage' of 10 hours at National Minimum Wage minus travel costs, sustainance, PPE where appropriate and so on + having to pay their rent/ mortgage, council tax etc. For some folks the sums just don't add up. Let me bring you up to date with some of the facts. I'm currently out of work, having been made redundant in February. A single person gets £67.50 per week in Job Seekers Allowance, but that is only for the first 6 months, after which it reverts to JSA assessed on another format. Until then, you still have to pay for Dental Treatment, Prescriptions, eye sight tests etc, but you get help with Council Tax rebates, and help towards housing costs, but the latter takes ages to filter through (my forms only arrived two weeks ago for completing!). I'm fortunate I don't have to pay for Prescriptions as I'm a Diabetic. As for Job Centres giving you help, it has all changed as successive governments have reduced or removed eligibility criteria, to reduce costs. Thus Travel to Interview expenses, or getting funds to buy a suit for an interview are now so damn difficult to obtain. Due to government cutbacks, our local Council has cut funds to all but 2 of the Job Clubs, such that they closed at the end of May. Any schemes that do exist are usually only open for the Unemployed to join, ONCE you have been out of work for at least 6 months. Any schemes that used to exist to help the "over 50's" find work with training and funding for up to 2 years, have now been scaled down; you get help for only 13 weeks after redundancy, but no-one told the Job Centres about that! Thus, when I was put forward to meet a funding provider, I got told on Day One, I was too late as the Job Centre hadn't placed me quickly enough. Thus, I lost out on Training & Funding opportunities! So, for the first 6 months of Unemployment, you are pretty well on your own; I look at finding work, becomes a job in its own right, but after averaging 50 applications a month and only one response so far, it can be soul destroying! But I'm persevering!
And good luck in finding what you are looking for. Quick question when you go to sign on how many of the people are english and how many have come from abroad. If I go pass our local job centre the enlish are out numbered."At the Job Centre I sign in at, virtually all those signing on are from this city. Hull didn't really attract Ethnic groups in large numbers, unlike a lot of other major cities, except for the Polish, but the vast majority of them are in work! There is a high percentage of foreign students attending the 2 Universities in Hull. | |||
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"The use of our NHS, education, free travel expences etcno 1 gets free travel unless yer over 60 " There are other categories. I get free bus travel and subsidised train travel. | |||
"The use of our NHS, education, free travel expences etcno 1 gets free travel unless yer over 60 There are other categories. I get free bus travel and subsidised train travel." i get neither am on jsa | |||
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" At the Job Centre I sign in at, virtually all those signing on are from this city. Hull didn't really attract Ethnic groups in large numbers, unlike a lot of other major cities, except for the Polish, but the vast majority of them are in work! There is a high percentage of foreign students attending the 2 Universities in Hull." From what I see around Scotland, a lot of students are from overseas - especially the Indian sub-continent and China/Japan but many (most?) of them are paying their own fees and living expenses. That's one of the reasons Scotland is able to offer free tertiary education to Scottish students studying at Scottish universities. | |||
"Jobs that could go to english people too many coming in and not enough resources. Have had friends in building trade etc that have lost jobs because of this as they get under cut all the time. At my school at least half the pupils are foreign is it a good thing or bad when the children cant speak a word of english. And this takes up lesson times because the children dont understand what the teachers are trying to teach them. At my local family centre we offer free family numeracy and free family literacy to help families plus basic qualifications for the adults when course are finished. But not many turn up for it." I meant to add there is one agency in this city, run by a local business, who will only get jobs for the foreigners. There was a huge row when he opened it up, and he has to take British born citizens. But, surprise..... you never get any work! Strange That? The other problem in this city is, despite supposedly age discrimination laws, local employers are suspicious about you if you are over 40 yrs old! Once you get to my age, forget it; get your space lined up at the local cemetary! | |||
"Travel allowance for getting to and from job interviews back to work grants." I doubt that's an allowance based on ethnicity. That'd have the equalities guys, and me, jumping on it from a serious height. It may be, and I'd have no quibble about seeking to rebalance the situation if it turns out to be true, that BME communities have a better internal support system to encourage people to apply for such help as is available. | |||
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"And housing dont get me started on housing am I ranting now sorry I have been a council tennant for 14 years 2 children living in a two bed flat I work etc but I have to prove that I am english to get back on the waiting list." I wouldn't go as far as 'ranting' but you're getting there  | |||
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"And housing dont get me started on housing am I ranting now sorry I have been a council tennant for 14 years 2 children living in a two bed flat I work etc but I have to prove that I am english to get back on the waiting list." Six years ago, I worked in South Essex, where the local council had taken in foreigners "big time!". I knew a guy whose wife was Deputy Manager at the local Job Centre & Benefits Office. Every Wednesday, the illegals would be in at 2.45pm for their handouts at 3pm. To ensure it was paid out on time, they would be accompanied by a solicitor from the local Rights Centre, who'd kick up stink if their payments were more than a couple of minutes late! They also got free swimming Vouchers for their kids, yet locals couldn't get these for love or money. Crazy thing was, that when someone made a fuss at all the preferential treatment they were getting, he was warned to shut up or the Police would be called and he'd be arrested for anti racial behaviour! Gets worse, this country!  | |||
"I will stop then before I say something stupid. Mouth shut. "Lassie, we all do it. That's the joy of cyberspace - it's great leveller. | |||
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"And housing dont get me started on housing am I ranting now sorry I have been a council tennant for 14 years 2 children living in a two bed flat I work etc but I have to prove that I am english to get back on the waiting list. Six years ago, I worked in South Essex, where the local council had taken in foreigners "big time!". I knew a guy whose wife was Deputy Manager at the local Job Centre & Benefits Office. Every Wednesday, the illegals would be in at 2.45pm for their handouts at 3pm. To ensure it was paid out on time, they would be accompanied by a solicitor from the local Rights Centre, who'd kick up stink if their payments were more than a couple of minutes late! They also got free swimming Vouchers for their kids, yet locals couldn't get these for love or money. Crazy thing was, that when someone made a fuss at all the preferential treatment they were getting, he was warned to shut up or the Police would be called and he'd be arrested for anti racial behaviour! Gets worse, this country! "Do 'illegals' get benefits? I'd have thought the thing that made 'illegals' illegal was the fact that they couldn't access anyone of the stuff the 'legal' population take for granted. Have I missed something? | |||
"And housing dont get me started on housing am I ranting now sorry I have been a council tennant for 14 years 2 children living in a two bed flat I work etc but I have to prove that I am english to get back on the waiting list." I remember some years back when my son had been on the waiting list for years. He went along when wanting a 1 bed flat/bedsit so he could be more independant etc. The council told him...no chance. All viable homes were being allocated to single mothers and there was nothing left. So in fact he was being discriminated because of his gender .which they admitted but said there was nothing they could do. Totally unfair but it still goes on now. | |||
"Swingershaz is right to say that many building workers have lost jobs to immigrants. I know they are hardworking etc - but they ARE undercutting honest workers. I'm disgusted that a Labour government connived with employers to drive down wages. Just disgusted." there is no Labour government its a torrie 1 | |||
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"Swingershaz is right to say that many building workers have lost jobs to immigrants. I know they are hardworking etc - but they ARE undercutting honest workers. I'm disgusted that a Labour government connived with employers to drive down wages. Just disgusted." Whose to say the migrant workers are not honest ? They are themselves trying to earn enough to survive , better than claiming surely. Its the system thats at fault, not the man/woman trying to look after themselves | |||
"Marti, it's Tory now but the rot started under Labour. Admittedly, the Conservatives have done nothing about it. And they wonder why political participation is declining. No one trusts any of them!" an the tories have will make it worst the only people are worst off is the rich folk including bankers | |||
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"Swingershaz is right to say that many building workers have lost jobs to immigrants. I know they are hardworking etc - but they ARE undercutting honest workers. I'm disgusted that a Labour government connived with employers to drive down wages. Just disgusted." Employers don't need any encouragement to drive down wages. That's the main aim in many of their lives. I used to get briefing papers from bits of the organisation saying things like "we could save £x per years if we made these people redundant and subtly replaced them with CCTV or y number of people who'll work for £z per hour or ...........". Manoeuver a few of the authors out of the door and the message gets around. | |||
"And housing dont get me started on housing am I ranting now sorry I have been a council tennant for 14 years 2 children living in a two bed flat I work etc but I have to prove that I am english to get back on the waiting list. Six years ago, I worked in South Essex, where the local council had taken in foreigners "big time!". I knew a guy whose wife was Deputy Manager at the local Job Centre & Benefits Office. Every Wednesday, the illegals would be in at 2.45pm for their handouts at 3pm. To ensure it was paid out on time, they would be accompanied by a solicitor from the local Rights Centre, who'd kick up stink if their payments were more than a couple of minutes late! They also got free swimming Vouchers for their kids, yet locals couldn't get these for love or money. Crazy thing was, that when someone made a fuss at all the preferential treatment they were getting, he was warned to shut up or the Police would be called and he'd be arrested for anti racial behaviour! Gets worse, this country!
Do 'illegals' get benefits? I'd have thought the thing that made 'illegals' illegal was the fact that they couldn't access anyone of the stuff the 'legal' population take for granted.
Have I missed something?"i suggest you get yourself down quickly to Thurrock in Essex, and claim "asylum" and you'll see what benefits you can get heaped on you, which the locals couldn't have. My contact's wife who worked in the Job Centre also knew that once a month, she was one of a group of "professionals" from all sections of local and central government depts, who'd to check on each ethnic family group at their homes. Some families had had two adjoining homes knocked into one; they'd 2nd hand quality cars parked outside, all the latest electronic and Audio equipment inside, with plush furnishings too; all this paid for by local ratepayers, a lot of whom couldn't afford a fraction of what these people had! Yet, no-one questioned it all, because to do so, would (and I quote) 'infringe their human rights'. Say no more! | |||
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"If the lazy asterds in this country got off their arses and did the work which is out there....The migrant workers would go elsewhere . simples "were will they go they should not be here n 1st place torries are letting em in | |||
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"Swingershaz is right to say that many building workers have lost jobs to immigrants. I know they are hardworking etc - but they ARE undercutting honest workers. I'm disgusted that a Labour government connived with employers to drive down wages. Just disgusted. Employers don't need any encouragement to drive down wages. That's the main aim in many of their lives. I used to get briefing papers from bits of the organisation saying things like "we could save £x per years if we made these people redundant and subtly replaced them with CCTV or y number of people who'll work for £z per hour or ...........". Manoeuver a few of the authors out of the door and the message gets around. " Be very careful of a growing trend amongst employers, by them using the "Zero Hour Contract". You don't get told at the interview that they use this form of contract; invariably, you get told all sorts of things in an opposite vein, but as I found out two months ago, a job that promised me F/T work, actually only called me in for just 7 shifts in 22 days. Only once I received my Contract of Employment after 3 weeks, did I realise I'd been conned. I left; the Job Centre upheld my reasons for doing so, as the company involved is notorious for doing this, but it is not illegal; it just needs the Government to close this loophole. | |||
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" torries are letting em in It's unfair to say the Tories are letting them in. Every government has been guilty of letting our borders remain "open" for all and sundry to walk straight in, with few questions asked. "they are heard it on the news not that long go there allowing more in | |||
" Do 'illegals' get benefits? I'd have thought the thing that made 'illegals' illegal was the fact that they couldn't access anyone of the stuff the 'legal' population take for granted. Have I missed something? i suggest you get yourself down quickly to Thurrock in Essex, and claim "asylum" and you'll see what benefits you can get heaped on you, which the locals couldn't have. My contact's wife who worked in the Job Centre also knew that once a month, she was one of a group of "professionals" from all sections of local and central government depts, who'd to check on each ethnic family group at their homes. Some families had had two adjoining homes knocked into one; they'd 2nd hand quality cars parked outside, all the latest electronic and Audio equipment inside, with plush furnishings too; all this paid for by local ratepayers, a lot of whom couldn't afford a fraction of what these people had! Yet, no-one questioned it all, because to do so, would (and I quote) 'infringe their human rights'. Say no more!" That, if I might make so bold, is nonsense. You initially spoke of 'illegals' and now you speak of people who claim 'asylum'. There's a huge difference. None of the cars you mention were paid for by local ratepayers - nor was the "the latest electronic and Audio equipment inside, with plush furnishings too". It may be the asylum seekers chose to spend the benefits to which they were entitled in a different way from the way YOU would choose. Equally it may be they benefitted from the internal support system I mentioned earlier. I have no way of knowing. Nor, I suspect, have you. This is all beginning to sound a bit tabloid | |||
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" Do 'illegals' get benefits? I'd have thought the thing that made 'illegals' illegal was the fact that they couldn't access anyone of the stuff the 'legal' population take for granted. Have I missed something? i suggest you get yourself down quickly to Thurrock in Essex, and claim "asylum" and you'll see what benefits you can get heaped on you, which the locals couldn't have. My contact's wife who worked in the Job Centre also knew that once a month, she was one of a group of "professionals" from all sections of local and central government depts, who'd to check on each ethnic family group at their homes. Some families had had two adjoining homes knocked into one; they'd 2nd hand quality cars parked outside, all the latest electronic and Audio equipment inside, with plush furnishings too; all this paid for by local ratepayers, a lot of whom couldn't afford a fraction of what these people had! Yet, no-one questioned it all, because to do so, would (and I quote) 'infringe their human rights'. Say no more! That, if I might make so bold, is nonsense. You initially spoke of 'illegals' and now you speak of people who claim 'asylum'. There's a huge difference. None of the cars you mention were paid for by local ratepayers - nor was the "the latest electronic and Audio equipment inside, with plush furnishings too". It may be the asylum seekers chose to spend the benefits to which they were entitled in a different way from the way YOU would choose. Equally it may be they benefitted from the internal support system I mentioned earlier. I have no way of knowing. Nor, I suspect, have you. This is all beginning to sound a bit tabloid "Sorry to destroy your train of thought, but I was there and saw it with my own eyes. It became a serious issue in the local elections down there around 2006/7 and I witnessed all the arguments on both sides. I'm speaking facts! | |||
" Be very careful of a growing trend amongst employers, by them using the "Zero Hour Contract". You don't get told at the interview that they use this form of contract; invariably, you get told all sorts of things in an opposite vein, but as I found out two months ago, a job that promised me F/T work, actually only called me in for just 7 shifts in 22 days. Only once I received my Contract of Employment after 3 weeks, did I realise I'd been conned. I left; the Job Centre upheld my reasons for doing so, as the company involved is notorious for doing this, but it is not illegal; it just needs the Government to close this loophole." Zero Hours Contracts have their uses and can benefit both parties. We have one woman now in her late 60s who, as a result of having been here since her teenage years has an encyclopedic knowledge of our business (corporate memory). From time to time stuff come up that we know she's the best person to handle. We move heaven and earth to ensure nothing we do adversely affects her pension and benefits situation. She is on a Zero Hours Contract. It suits us both. | |||
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" Do 'illegals' get benefits? I'd have thought the thing that made 'illegals' illegal was the fact that they couldn't access anyone of the stuff the 'legal' population take for granted. Have I missed something? i suggest you get yourself down quickly to Thurrock in Essex, and claim "asylum" and you'll see what benefits you can get heaped on you, which the locals couldn't have. My contact's wife who worked in the Job Centre also knew that once a month, she was one of a group of "professionals" from all sections of local and central government depts, who'd to check on each ethnic family group at their homes. Some families had had two adjoining homes knocked into one; they'd 2nd hand quality cars parked outside, all the latest electronic and Audio equipment inside, with plush furnishings too; all this paid for by local ratepayers, a lot of whom couldn't afford a fraction of what these people had! Yet, no-one questioned it all, because to do so, would (and I quote) 'infringe their human rights'. Say no more! That, if I might make so bold, is nonsense. You initially spoke of 'illegals' and now you speak of people who claim 'asylum'. There's a huge difference. None of the cars you mention were paid for by local ratepayers - nor was the "the latest electronic and Audio equipment inside, with plush furnishings too". It may be the asylum seekers chose to spend the benefits to which they were entitled in a different way from the way YOU would choose. Equally it may be they benefitted from the internal support system I mentioned earlier. I have no way of knowing. Nor, I suspect, have you. This is all beginning to sound a bit tabloid
Sorry to destroy your train of thought, but I was there and saw it with my own eyes.
It became a serious issue in the local elections down there around 2006/7 and I witnessed all the arguments on both sides. I'm speaking facts!"When you say you saw it all with your own eyes, do you mean you were there when the illegals actually bought the "2nd hand quality cars" with money you'd seen them being handed by the local council? Do you mean you were there and actually saw, with your own eyes that they bought "the latest electronic and Audio equipment" and the "plush furnishings" with money you saw them being given by the local council? You seem like a decent chap but you ain't talking facts. | |||
" Be very careful of a growing trend amongst employers, by them using the "Zero Hour Contract". You don't get told at the interview that they use this form of contract; invariably, you get told all sorts of things in an opposite vein, but as I found out two months ago, a job that promised me F/T work, actually only called me in for just 7 shifts in 22 days. Only once I received my Contract of Employment after 3 weeks, did I realise I'd been conned. I left; the Job Centre upheld my reasons for doing so, as the company involved is notorious for doing this, but it is not illegal; it just needs the Government to close this loophole. Zero Hours Contracts have their uses and can benefit both parties. We have one woman now in her late 60s who, as a result of having been here since her teenage years has an encyclopedic knowledge of our business (corporate memory). From time to time stuff come up that we know she's the best person to handle. We move heaven and earth to ensure nothing we do adversely affects her pension and benefits situation. She is on a Zero Hours Contract. It suits us both." It might suit someone I agree, from what you have described, but to the everyday person, you cannot plan your finances and your life based on the notion that an employer calls you on a whim, to ask you to come into work. At my Interview, I was advised that F/T work was readily available, but in reality, it wasn't. Yes, at interview, there has to be an element of trust on both sides, but in my case, it didn't occur that way. The local Job Centre told me afterwards that Zero Hour Contracts are a major problem across the entire UK and cause widespread misery. | |||
"AV - but you should try getting a shop job. Zero hours contracts are rife. How can families plan a future like that? Take it from me, people are furious that no one is speaking up for them" They shouldn't have voted Tory then. I said this weeks ago and was roundly criticised for doing so. The fact remains. People were warned of the consequences of voting Tory. They didn't listen. They're paying the price. | |||
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" Zero Hours Contracts have their uses and can benefit both parties. We have one woman now in her late 60s who, as a result of having been here since her teenage years has an encyclopedic knowledge of our business (corporate memory). From time to time stuff come up that we know she's the best person to handle. We move heaven and earth to ensure nothing we do adversely affects her pension and benefits situation. She is on a Zero Hours Contract. It suits us both. It might suit someone I agree, from what you have described, but to the everyday person, you cannot plan your finances and your life based on the notion that an employer calls you on a whim, to ask you to come into work. At my Interview, I was advised that F/T work was readily available, but in reality, it wasn't. Yes, at interview, there has to be an element of trust on both sides, but in my case, it didn't occur that way. The local Job Centre told me afterwards that Zero Hour Contracts are a major problem across the entire UK and cause widespread misery." I'm sure you're right. The situation I described suits both parties but I accept it wouldn't suit everyone. | |||
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"In a zero hours contract you are not truly contracted at all. Tell them to stuff their exploitation up their ar** But that's the problem. The employers hold all the aces when there are few jobs around. Allowing in so many immigrants just helps the employer. It is not racist to say so" Increasing the pool of potential employees is the problem. Not their country of origin. | |||
"AV - the zero hours thing is nothing to do with voting Tory. It started (to the best of my knowledge) about 10 years ago. No one will speak up for working people because they will be condemned as racist if they do. People are very sullen and angry indeed" I offer the answer I gave above. Increasing the pool of potential employees is the problem. Not their country of origin. | |||
" That, if I might make so bold, is nonsense. When you say you saw it all with your own eyes, do you mean you were there when the illegals actually bought the "2nd hand quality cars" with money you'd seen them being handed by the local council? Do you mean you were there and actually saw, with your own eyes that they bought "the latest electronic and Audio equipment" and the "plush furnishings" with money you saw them being given by the local council? You seem like a decent chap but you ain't talking facts. " Sorry, you take that view. I wish I could let you see the local papers from that area as I'd love to have sent them to you, so you could see the reports. Plus, through my job, I liaised with the local MP's and Councillors, on various issues and knew of these problems from that area. I was there; you weren't! It's just the same that you could report something from Glasgow, but even if I'd any concerns about its authenticity, I have to give you some credit as you know full well of the news in your area, when I don't. | |||
"Thing is...we as a country signed up to allowing people to go where the work is. So we cant blame them for comming here when those who already live here dont wanna work preferring benefits instead "oh i agree, there is many a one that can and should work but wont, not so long ago we advertised in our local job centre for a f/t and 2 p/t positions and to be honest 2/3rds of the applicants we recieved didnt want the job, they applied for fear of losing their benefits. | |||
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"In a zero hours contract you are not truly contracted at all. Tell them to stuff their exploitation up their ar** But that's the problem. The employers hold all the aces when there are few jobs around. Allowing in so many immigrants just helps the employer. It is not racist to say so" some employers will abuse the system, but what they seem to forget if you do that, you will end up with a work force that wouldnt think twice of walking out, not turning up, and at that isnt very good for buisness | |||
"AV - the zero hours thing is nothing to do with voting Tory. It started (to the best of my knowledge) about 10 years ago. No one will speak up for working people because they will be condemned as racist if they do. People are very sullen and angry indeed" To be honest, I'd always had the "luxury" of going from one job to another on a full time basis, and until this year when I lost my job, I'd never heard of Zero Hour Contracts. These arrived in Hull about 4 years ago, from what I've heard through the Employment Service. As for being contractually assigned to them, you are if you sign your Contract of Employment! Had I stayed at that company, but refused to sign it, I'd have been out of a job in weeks. My Union said that with Zero Hours Contracts, if you sign it, you give up all of your legal rights; the company will hold you over a barrel. | |||
" That, if I might make so bold, is nonsense. When you say you saw it all with your own eyes, do you mean you were there when the illegals actually bought the "2nd hand quality cars" with money you'd seen them being handed by the local council? Do you mean you were there and actually saw, with your own eyes that they bought "the latest electronic and Audio equipment" and the "plush furnishings" with money you saw them being given by the local council? You seem like a decent chap but you ain't talking facts. Sorry, you take that view. I wish I could let you see the local papers from that area as I'd love to have sent them to you, so you could see the reports. Plus, through my job, I liaised with the local MP's and Councillors, on various issues and knew of these problems from that area. I was there; you weren't! It's just the same that you could report something from Glasgow, but even if I'd any concerns about its authenticity, I have to give you some credit as you know full well of the news in your area, when I don't." You didn't and, I suspect won't, address my questions. Were you actually there when these 'illegals' got the money from the council and when they spent it on the stuff you claim the taxpayers paid for? I suspect the answer is no. MPs and councillors, even Community and Parish Councillors can have an agenda. You might be privvy to it. You might be party to to. I have no way of knowing but, unless you actually saw the transaction I mention with your own eyes - you are, as I indicated, talking nonsense. Speaking of local knowledge. I recall an 'incident' a few year ago not far from where I live when concerns were raised about an allegedly illegal family who were housed in quite a desirable a social housing complex in Glasgow's leafy West End. It turned out the family weren't illegal - the head of the household had worked as an interpreter for ISAF in Afghanistan and the house he'd been allocated was no longer social housing but had been bought under the Auld Hoor Thatcher's Right to Buy scheme and it was a buy to let landlord who was pocketing the twice the social rent of the house next door. The upshot was that the publicity meant that a guy who'd risked his life in support of Britsh Forces in harm's way had to relocate his family at 20 minutes notice. | |||
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