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"....I have a ghost that stands in the corner of my room with his hand under his chin critiquing me having sex... "Does he give you his critique live - sorry about the pun - (as it happens), or once you've finished? | |||
"....I have a ghost that stands in the corner of my room with his hand under his chin critiquing me having sex...
Does he give you his critique live - sorry about the pun - (as it happens), or once you've finished?"Always once we've finished. He takes notes and reviews them with me.... | |||
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"all it proves to me that their is a vast array of consciousness available. I've often asked how a plant can mimic something when it has no eyes... an 'observer' changes their environment, or others...which in turn leaeds them to be observed which changes their own reality. Which plants mimic, must Google those ? When i think at a quantum level, I often wonder if someone like Hitler can influence a group of people...has he actually died?..his energy is still apparent..even if his biological entity is no more. in effect, from an zero point energy status...he must be exuding some kind of force...either from this reality or another." | |||
"all it proves to me that their is a vast array of consciousness available. I've often asked how a plant can mimic something when it has no eyes... an 'observer' changes their environment, or others...which in turn leaeds them to be observed which changes their own reality. When i think at a quantum level, I often wonder if someone like Hitler can influence a group of people...has he actually died?..his energy is still apparent..even if his biological entity is no more. in effect, from an zero point energy status...he must be exuding some kind of force...either from this reality or another." Oops, try again, which plants mimic things ? Need to Google em | |||
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"There are different states of consciousness, so from your usual wide awake club consciousness, you can sleep for example. You can alter your state of consciousness by thinking it. Cool, eh? " it's been called the anthropic principle...basically it comes from the heisenberg's uncertainty principles..if you observe something you change its behaviour.. we live in a universe that shouldnt exists essentially..because without us, it wouldnt be here. | |||
"all it proves to me that their is a vast array of consciousness available. I've often asked how a plant can mimic something when it has no eyes... an 'observer' changes their environment, or others...which in turn leaeds them to be observed which changes their own reality. When i think at a quantum level, I often wonder if someone like Hitler can influence a group of people...has he actually died?..his energy is still apparent..even if his biological entity is no more. in effect, from an zero point energy status...he must be exuding some kind of force...either from this reality or another. Oops, try again, which plants mimic things ? Need to Google em " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimicry_in_plants | |||
"There will come a point when your mind will be able to continue even when your body can't. That may be by keeping the brain going, or by replicating the parts of the brain that give you conscious thought. That will give the potential for immortality... and some well bad James Bond villains... and some really bad god complexes. " we can and have digitally been able to connect to technology...its science fact | |||
"There will come a point when your mind will be able to continue even when your body can't. That may be by keeping the brain going, or by replicating the parts of the brain that give you conscious thought. That will give the potential for immortality... and some well bad James Bond villains... and some really bad god complexes. we can and have digitally been able to connect to technology...its science fact" Which is why it's inevitable. We'll then be able to literally connect minds  | |||
"all it proves to me that their is a vast array of consciousness available. I've often asked how a plant can mimic something when it has no eyes... an 'observer' changes their environment, or others...which in turn leaeds them to be observed which changes their own reality. When i think at a quantum level, I often wonder if someone like Hitler can influence a group of people...has he actually died?..his energy is still apparent..even if his biological entity is no more. in effect, from an zero point energy status...he must be exuding some kind of force...either from this reality or another. Oops, try again, which plants mimic things ? Need to Google em https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimicry_in_plants" Thanks | |||
"There will come a point when your mind will be able to continue even when your body can't. That may be by keeping the brain going, or by replicating the parts of the brain that give you conscious thought. That will give the potential for immortality... and some well bad James Bond villains... and some really bad god complexes. we can and have digitally been able to connect to technology...its science fact Which is why it's inevitable. We'll then be able to literally connect minds "we are the borg  | |||
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"If your talking about animals where would you draw the line between inteligence vs instinct. As generally we assume inteligent to be a good indicator of consciousness..." on that definition, there are a lot of humans I know who don't have consciousness. | |||
"There's a simple experiment one can do: go to bed and lie on your back in the dark and warm with as little sensory input as you can manage. Then try imagining your body, think about the little toe on your right foot: once you have that thought, then relax that toe - simply 'tell' your toe in your head to relax, then the next toe, then the same with the next, then your foot, ankle, do the other foot, ankle, work your way upwards and mentally relax each part of your body. By the time you get to relaxing the whole of your body, you'll start feeling a diffferent state of consciousness. The more often you do it, the easier it gets. After a while, you'll be able to tell your whole body to instantly relax into a deeply relaxed state. A useful technique. "Also used in some sports as imagery. I used to nod off though | |||
"If your talking about animals where would you draw the line between inteligence vs instinct. As generally we assume inteligent to be a good indicator of consciousness... on that definition, there are a lot of humans I know who don't have consciousness." I think it's more self consciousness than intelligence "I think, therefore I am" springs to mind, | |||
"I'm going to connect to our dog first. I know there's some crazy shit going on in there." your dog could be future or past entity thats being trying to connect with you...but cant manage the means.. imagine if we all seen a level in consciousness, with our animal friends..their meat(lets say bacon), probably would taste as good...unless we are essentially a cannibalistic organism with no care for another. I look into psychopathy at times...being psychopath might not be the worst thing ever, removing emotion has been something that has furthered our understanding of society. But there is something inside us..that stops us hurting people...iuts not even from the bible etc... I can only describe it as pure will. how many atheists attend funerals?- they actually cared that person...psychologically and biologically they didnt have to attend......but they BELIEVE in more, its not about gods etc..its about being connected, even someone who shuns being with others..wants a connection,though it might not be human. | |||
"There's a simple experiment one can do: go to bed and lie on your back in the dark and warm with as little sensory input as you can manage. Then try imagining your body, think about the little toe on your right foot: once you have that thought, then relax that toe - simply 'tell' your toe in your head to relax, then the next toe, then the same with the next, then your foot, ankle, do the other foot, ankle, work your way upwards and mentally relax each part of your body. By the time you get to relaxing the whole of your body, you'll start feeling a diffferent state of consciousness. The more often you do it, the easier it gets. After a while, you'll be able to tell your whole body to instantly relax into a deeply relaxed state. A useful technique. "you tried that on me years ago..being blindfolded..just so u could suck my cock | |||
 
And the prospects of seeing what the dog's really thinking.
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"That adds the issue of whether the mind can work independently of the body - how much of what we do is driven by things beyond our conscious thoughts etc. Which might fuck up the connected minds/immortality thing
And the prospects of seeing what the dog's really thinking.
"I have several theories, most count towards 'us' being less than physical beings. If the anthropic principle actually has a say, it in my mind means we really need new influences to keep the universe(s) to keep going. As a cyber entity...a lot of things wont make any sense, living in an almost timeless manner...perhaps this is how a big bang starts? I've been half arsed thinking of writing a book about 'people' orbiting a black hole(with tech obviously helping them survive the environment)..and the other black hole races that might be around. wish I;d done physics as a child lol...nothing stopping me now I suppose | |||
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"Has anyone ever had a general anaesthetic?.... Close your eyes.. Open eyes. The scary bit is having no actual awareness at all of how much time has elapsed. I don't have a clue where my conscience went during those hours" Linking with the other threat about ghosts and the works about Near-Death Experiences, maybe still is more intriguing, how some patients can remember situations or feel sensations during the moments on which, their brains showed an electroencephalogram practically plain... | |||
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"they've recently discovered bacteria behave in the same way as neurons, when it comes to communication. i find this pretty interesting. i do believe animals are sentient. i think whoever told us they are not is evil. of course they have feelings, they get angry, sad, depressed even, love their children and look after them so they survive -and doing that comes at a cost to your own life btw. they are made up of all the same chemical you are. if something is trying to exist, is it instinct or something more? is everything more than a bag of chemicals existing? i think this helps you figure out what consciousness is. i don't we're self aware enough to answer this question completely, but it gives us an idea." to a bacteria...we are astronomical bodies...whats to say we are not bacteria to something else? | |||
"they've recently discovered bacteria behave in the same way as neurons, when it comes to communication. i find this pretty interesting. i do believe animals are sentient. i think whoever told us they are not is evil. of course they have feelings, they get angry, sad, depressed even, love their children and look after them so they survive -and doing that comes at a cost to your own life btw. they are made up of all the same chemical you are. if something is trying to exist, is it instinct or something more? is everything more than a bag of chemicals existing? i think this helps you figure out what consciousness is. i don't we're self aware enough to answer this question completely, but it gives us an idea. to a bacteria...we are astronomical bodies...whats to say we are not bacteria to something else?" yeah we're like the earth to them, they live on us, survive on us. survive off our waste even. and when there's too many of them they harm their habitat. i wonder if they're aware of that and if they try to do anything about it. seems unlikely. | |||
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"they've recently discovered bacteria behave in the same way as neurons, when it comes to communication. i find this pretty interesting. i do believe animals are sentient. i think whoever told us they are not is evil. of course they have feelings, they get angry, sad, depressed even, love their children and look after them so they survive -and doing that comes at a cost to your own life btw. they are made up of all the same chemical you are. if something is trying to exist, is it instinct or something more? is everything more than a bag of chemicals existing? i think this helps you figure out what consciousness is. i don't we're self aware enough to answer this question completely, but it gives us an idea. to a bacteria...we are astronomical bodies...whats to say we are not bacteria to something else? yeah we're like the earth to them, they live on us, survive on us. survive off our waste even. and when there's too many of them they harm their habitat. i wonder if they're aware of that and if they try to do anything about it. seems unlikely." how unlikely would it be for a collective to putout diseases..that eventually lead to human demise? I suppose its all gia theory, but not ONE person can say, factually..that they are not connected to an eco-system. When we started harming the earth..it adapts...with no malice or 'evil' it basically just does do things. a really interesting point is when looking at other planets is that we look for oxygen.....that cant survive with a symbiotic relationship with its anchor, I looked into the very nature of inanimate matter, lets say rocks etc..geology and biology are more closely linked to each other than people believe. | |||
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" What do you think of as consciousness, what do you think makes it and what living organisms do you perceive of as having it?" The trouble is initially defining what the word means to people - if my consciousness you mean sentience then all animal life I would say - not sure about plant life, plants do respond to people singing to them etc, so that might be a form of consciousness. But there is a higher form of self-awareness that few if any animal possess, I can't define it right now - like the ability to observe or critique oneself. | |||
" But there is a higher form of self-awareness that few if any animal possess, ." . So your not an animal then? | |||
" But there is a higher form of self-awareness that few if any animal possess, .. So your not an animal then?" You know what I mean - non-human animals. | |||
" But there is a higher form of self-awareness that few if any animal possess, .. So your not an animal then? You know what I mean - non-human animals." . I think human history shows we once we're far more connected to our eco system, we knew what we were and our place in it.... Alas as a brains grew more powerful we used them to perpetuate a belief that were now no longer an animal, were no longer part of a whole but that the whole is there because of us and none of it would exist without us?. It's the Donald trump effect | |||
"how unlikely would it be for a collective to putout diseases..that eventually lead to human demise?" this is why we, subconsciously, seek out sex with those who have a different immune system? in a natural environment anyway. to ensure they cannot if our childrens immune systems evolve along with bacteria that has the potential to wipe us out. as well as other ways our bodies try to kill it off. "I suppose its all gia theory, but not ONE person can say, factually..that they are not connected to an eco-system. When we started harming the earth..it adapts...with no malice or 'evil' it basically just does do things. a really interesting point is when looking at other planets is that we look for oxygen.....that cant survive with a symbiotic relationship with its anchor, I looked into the very nature of inanimate matter, lets say rocks etc..geology and biology are more closely linked to each other than people believe. " that's a good point. i suppose scientists hope there is some way to produce it? i know they look for water also, which could become a supply of oxygen. it's possible they're just exploring these planets in case they find out ways to save our planet also? there's so much we don't know. not into astronomy that much tbh and don't know a lot about it really. how is geology and biology linked? i'd like to hear about that. | |||
" But there is a higher form of self-awareness that few if any animal possess, .. So your not an animal then? You know what I mean - non-human animals.. I think human history shows we once we're far more connected to our eco system, we knew what we were and our place in it.... Alas as a brains grew more powerful we used them to perpetuate a belief that were now no longer an animal, were no longer part of a whole but that the whole is there because of us and none of it would exist without us?. " I don't think that, I connect with the spirit of animals, and yet I recognise a difference. | |||
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"Inspired by the ghosts thread, where some have discussed the nature of consciousness, the universe and ghosts - amongst other things. And the BBC1 show 'Spy in the wild' currently on TV, where cameras film other animals, contained with lookalike animatronics animals. What do you think of as consciousness, what do you think makes it and what living organisms do you perceive of as having it?" Interesting topic and question
I think all beings and all life has consciousness... including cells (obviously) and bacteria. I think it's a blueprint and evolution of life, just like having hearts and limbs. Obviously some have it more than others and in thousands of years I also believe lots of animals of today will have an higher consciousness. I do wonder if animals have more of an higher consciousness than they let on!
Consciousness - is it non physical? How do we know it is or it isn't? | |||
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Let's complicate it a little bit more...
I suggest to visit the following link. It is a current macro-research promoted by Princeton University ( not a TV reality show...) and studies the possible interconnection of our consciousness in a global system (Noosphere). Does it sound like science fiction?
...Not at all. Have a look.
http://noosphere.princeton.edu/ | |||
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"I love these threats...
Let's complicate it a little bit more...
I suggest to visit the following link. It is a current macro-research promoted by Princeton University ( not a TV reality show...) and studies the possible interconnection of our consciousness in a global system (Noosphere). Does it sound like science fiction?
...Not at all. Have a look.
http://noosphere.princeton.edu/"is this basically people coming together to create a revolution and change the world? i understand something that seems similar, in that the internet links us all and makes us one big brain. seems like this also. | |||
" is this basically people coming together to create a revolution and change the world? i understand something that seems similar, in that the internet links us all and makes us one big brain. seems like this also." No. It is a research about how the emotions can affect the environment. There are hundreds of special electronic devices all over the world that take aleatory decisions -1 or 0- hundreds of times each second, like tossing a coin in the air. After millions of "throwings", the quantities of 0 and 1 tends to equalize. The big mistery is, that when occurs some events that affects the emotions of millions people ( like 11-S or Paris attacks...) the numbers of 0 and 1 change!!! Those devices are electromagnetically isolated so... what "misterious energy" in our emotions can affect them? Good question...  | |||
" is this basically people coming together to create a revolution and change the world? i understand something that seems similar, in that the internet links us all and makes us one big brain. seems like this also. No. It is a research about how the emotions can affect the environment. There are hundreds of special electronic devices all over the world that take aleatory decisions -1 or 0- hundreds of times each second, like tossing a coin in the air. After millions of "throwings", the quantities of 0 and 1 tends to equalize. The big mistery is, that when occurs some events that affects the emotions of millions people ( like 11-S or Paris attacks...) the numbers of 0 and 1 change!!! Those devices are electromagnetically isolated so... what "misterious energy" in our emotions can affect them? Good question... "oh, seems interesting. i'm just learning about AI now, first lesson was how they collect info. i couldn't see anything that applies to what you said here on that page though. will have a good nosey again and click some links, if only to find out what algorithms they use. | |||
" i couldn't see anything that applies to what you said here on that page though. will have a good nosey again and click some links, if only to find out what algorithms they use. "The following is a copy-and-paste of their main page. It is more or less what I mentioned, but with technical words: "Coherent consciousness creates order in the world Subtle interactions link us with each other and the Earth When human consciousness becomes coherent, the behavior of random systems may change. Random number generators (RNGs) based on quantum tunneling produce completely unpredictable sequences of zeroes and ones. But when a great event synchronizes the feelings of millions of people, our network of RNGs becomes subtly structured. We calculate one in a trillion odds that the effect is due to chance. The evidence suggests an emerging noosphere or the unifying field of consciousness described by sages in all cultures." | |||
" i couldn't see anything that applies to what you said here on that page though. will have a good nosey again and click some links, if only to find out what algorithms they use.
The following is a copy-and-paste of their main page. It is more or less what I mentioned, but with technical words:
"Coherent consciousness creates order in the world
Subtle interactions link us with each other and the Earth
When human consciousness becomes coherent, the behavior of random systems may change. Random number generators (RNGs) based on quantum tunneling produce completely unpredictable sequences of zeroes and ones. But when a great event synchronizes the feelings of millions of people, our network of RNGs becomes subtly structured. We calculate one in a trillion odds that the effect is due to chance. The evidence suggests an emerging noosphere or the unifying field of consciousness described by sages in all cultures.""this reminds me of the power of prayer (or it might have been meditation?), where they studied that when a lot of people pray/meditate for something it tends to do something, can't remember what though but it effects everything around them when done on a huge scale. similar to this, if you even know what i'm talking about coz i kind of do. | |||
" this reminds me of the power of prayer (or it might have been meditation?), where they studied that when a lot of people pray/meditate for something it tends to do something, can't remember what though but it effects everything around them when done on a huge scale. similar to this, if you even know what i'm talking about coz i kind of do." Exactly. These devices have been occasionally installed in places of praying -where the feelings are intense as well- with similar results. Why and how the feelings of people (or a divine being...?) can affect them is the Big Mistery. | |||
i think this is what noosphere is now? so long as they take this data and use it to listen and not manipulate how we act.
i like this idea, do believe the sharing of information makes for a more intelligent species.
it's kind of weird when you think about how we've been given the freedom to give out information freely, and governments wanted everyone to have access to the internet. i mean even facebook has a few different emojis now so you can express, in a too simple way but i wouldn't be surprised if they're picking up on keywords anyway, how you feel. and changing your profile pic to empathise with a country (france for example). | |||
" this reminds me of the power of prayer (or it might have been meditation?), where they studied that when a lot of people pray/meditate for something it tends to do something, can't remember what though but it effects everything around them when done on a huge scale. similar to this, if you even know what i'm talking about coz i kind of do. Exactly. These devices have been occasionally installed in places of praying -where the feelings are intense as well- with similar results. Why and how the feelings of people (or a divine being...?) can affect them is the Big Mistery." empathy? most people already think everyone else thinks the same as them, which is why love can fail because there's different ways to show love and feel love. people get paranoid coz they're doing shitty things and think others are doing the same as them, coz they think we all think alike. when someone does do something, others feel validated to do the same, as if we need permission from others to do so. although i feel this has changed a lot in my lifetime. but empathy is what causes that, i think so anyway. a simple empathy for some and maybe not a very good one at times because we don't really understand anyone else unless we've experienced the same emotions they have, but we seem to all be able to empathise in some way. even those who are not empathetic have the ability to mimic that and i feel they have the capability to be empathetic if given a reason to be so, even if it is for selfish reasons. and basically empathy, although it seems altrusitic, is not really. you feel the feelings yourself of someone else but on a level of what you yourself experienced as you will never be another person exactly, you can be very similar though (because we are checmically made up the same really and our emotions are chemically based). | |||
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" ...because we are checmically made up the same really and our emotions are chemically based)." You are right. Emotions, empathy, cognition... seem to be the result of chemical and electrical reactions inside our brains and we can influence each other. But here comes the problem again: if they are just physical products, how can they affect to electronic devices without a direct contact? What kind of energy can do that? | |||
" ...because we are checmically made up the same really and our emotions are chemically based). You are right. Emotions, empathy, cognition... seem to be the result of chemical and electrical reactions inside our brains and we can influence each other. But here comes the problem again: if they are just physical products, how can they affect to electronic devices without a direct contact? What kind of energy can do that?" . Correlation is not causation | |||
"Maybe a poor sense of wording. Many anomalies have no great Eureka moment behind them, they just turn out to be random anomalies, it makes it harder to find the Eureka moment of more interesting anomalies" You are right. These kinds of events that challenge the known laws of Physics, are too elusive to be studied with the current technology. At most, we can detect their occurrence, but their causes is quite difficult. At the moment... | |||
" ...because we are checmically made up the same really and our emotions are chemically based). You are right. Emotions, empathy, cognition... seem to be the result of chemical and electrical reactions inside our brains and we can influence each other. But here comes the problem again: if they are just physical products, how can they affect to electronic devices without a direct contact? What kind of energy can do that?. Correlation is not causation" You are right. We know that both events correlate, but what could be the relation between them? Nobody knows.. | |||
" ...because we are checmically made up the same really and our emotions are chemically based). You are right. Emotions, empathy, cognition... seem to be the result of chemical and electrical reactions inside our brains and we can influence each other. But here comes the problem again: if they are just physical products, how can they affect to electronic devices without a direct contact? What kind of energy can do that?. Correlation is not causation You are right. We know that both events correlate, but what could be the relation between them? Nobody knows.." . No it's very interesting I'm just not that sold on statistical anomalies, do the RNG machines actually get changed by emotions all the time or is there correlation in some circumstances?.... Like I said it's a very interesting anomaly at the moment | |||
" ...because we are checmically made up the same really and our emotions are chemically based). You are right. Emotions, empathy, cognition... seem to be the result of chemical and electrical reactions inside our brains and we can influence each other. But here comes the problem again: if they are just physical products, how can they affect to electronic devices without a direct contact? What kind of energy can do that?. Correlation is not causation You are right. We know that both events correlate, but what could be the relation between them? Nobody knows.." Our brains fire electrical impulses. That's how the bacteria communicate also, by electrical impulses, not just between themselves but with other species of bacteria, and is why they appear to communicate as neurons do. Machines can pick up electrical impulses also, this is how we have the technology to pass on information, via computer, between brains now. They can pick up whatever they're tuned to pick up. Idk how the noonsphere machines work though, guessing in a way similar to the mind control tech we have now? | |||
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" Our brains fire electrical impulses. That's how the bacteria communicate also, by electrical impulses, not just between themselves but with other species of bacteria, and is why they appear to communicate as neurons do. Machines can pick up electrical impulses also, this is how we have the technology to pass on information, via computer, between brains now. They can pick up whatever they're tuned to pick up. Idk how the noonsphere machines work though, guessing in a way similar to the mind control tech we have now?" I am not an expert on that field, but apparently, our own body's electromagnetic field is too weak to affect those devices ( which are isolated to prevent external interferences). So, the reason should be other than our brain's electrical impulses. The fellow above points that it could be there just a correlation between emotions and the variation in the RNGs only in concrete circumstances, being eventually other the cause, still unknown. And he is right. | |||
"By mind control i mean like our mind controls stuff with the help of computers. But this technology can also be used to control other minds as well, as proven using rats. if you google rat brain experiment you'll find all kinds of stuff they were and are doing, and some of it might be distressing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQzXqjT0w3k this might be more interesting and less stressful. " can I wank and play zelda at you? | |||
" Our brains fire electrical impulses. That's how the bacteria communicate also, by electrical impulses, not just between themselves but with other species of bacteria, and is why they appear to communicate as neurons do. Machines can pick up electrical impulses also, this is how we have the technology to pass on information, via computer, between brains now. They can pick up whatever they're tuned to pick up. Idk how the noonsphere machines work though, guessing in a way similar to the mind control tech we have now? I am not an expert on that field, but apparently, our own body's electromagnetic field is too weak to affect those devices ( which are isolated to prevent external interferences). So, the reason should be other than our brain's electrical impulses. The fellow above points that it could be there just a correlation between emotions and the variation in the RNGs only in concrete circumstances, being eventually other the cause, still unknown. And he is right. " yeah i'm guessing about how they collect the data. haven't got a clue and can't find any info. keep finding pages that seem a little pseudo scientific and that's not helping. lack of sleep last night also not helping at this time of the day. probably make it a weekend project to find out more. not to figure anything out, coz i don't think i'm that clever even if i do enjoy puzzles, more to understand it better. | |||
"By mind control i mean like our mind controls stuff with the help of computers. But this technology can also be used to control other minds as well, as proven using rats. if you google rat brain experiment you'll find all kinds of stuff they were and are doing, and some of it might be distressing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQzXqjT0w3k this might be more interesting and less stressful. can I wank and play zelda at you?" sure, why not?
hold on, which zelda? if it's one of them Nes ones then maybe not. | |||
"By mind control i mean like our mind controls stuff with the help of computers. But this technology can also be used to control other minds as well, as proven using rats. if you google rat brain experiment you'll find all kinds of stuff they were and are doing, and some of it might be distressing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQzXqjT0w3k this might be more interesting and less stressful. can I wank and play zelda at you? sure, why not?
hold on, which zelda? if it's one of them Nes ones then maybe not."I really only liked the snes and n64 ones(maybe some handheld ones), but THIS is the true vision they have been promoting. but the trailer has me in tears lol...and watching some people react(I might even donate something to this guy in americ, he makes me cry just out of his love for this(but looks like he cannot afford(anything) | |||
"By mind control i mean like our mind controls stuff with the help of computers. But this technology can also be used to control other minds as well, as proven using rats. if you google rat brain experiment you'll find all kinds of stuff they were and are doing, and some of it might be distressing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQzXqjT0w3k this might be more interesting and less stressful. can I wank and play zelda at you? sure, why not?
hold on, which zelda? if it's one of them Nes ones then maybe not.
I really only liked the snes and n64 ones(maybe some handheld ones), but THIS is the true vision they have been promoting.
but the trailer has me in tears lol...and watching some people react(I might even donate something to this guy in americ, he makes me cry just out of his love for this(but looks like he cannot afford(anything)"gamecube ones for me personally. 
thanks for the link, didn't know there were trailer responses (for anything let alone zelda), gonna check them out. | |||
" ...because we are checmically made up the same really and our emotions are chemically based). You are right. Emotions, empathy, cognition... seem to be the result of chemical and electrical reactions inside our brains and we can influence each other. But here comes the problem again: if they are just physical products, how can they affect to electronic devices without a direct contact? What kind of energy can do that?. Correlation is not causation" Though there comes a moment when something becomes so likely, where the correlations become so tight, that they signify something, even if it's not a cause and effect. If we look at 500 significant events, with emotional results that people experience from/with them and find that the computer data is picking up stuff, even if it's just because it's new year's even, then it does influence one to consider that there are more things than we know of or are aware of, based on our current models of the world. As for consciousness - maybe there is some shared consciousness amongst us? or between us and all life - as some others have mentioned here. | |||
" Our brains fire electrical impulses. That's how the bacteria communicate also, by electrical impulses, not just between themselves but with other species of bacteria, and is why they appear to communicate as neurons do. Machines can pick up electrical impulses also, this is how we have the technology to pass on information, via computer, between brains now. They can pick up whatever they're tuned to pick up. Idk how the noonsphere machines work though, guessing in a way similar to the mind control tech we have now? I am not an expert on that field, but apparently, our own body's electromagnetic field is too weak to affect those devices ( which are isolated to prevent external interferences). So, the reason should be other than our brain's electrical impulses. The fellow above points that it could be there just a correlation between emotions and the variation in the RNGs only in concrete circumstances, being eventually other the cause, still unknown. And he is right. yeah i'm guessing about how they collect the data. haven't got a clue and can't find any info. keep finding pages that seem a little pseudo scientific and that's not helping. lack of sleep last night also not helping at this time of the day. probably make it a weekend project to find out more. not to figure anything out, coz i don't think i'm that clever even if i do enjoy puzzles, more to understand it better. "Were you referring to horizontal gene transfer, that bacteria of different species undertake? They have been found to pass portions of their genes onto others, rather than just to their offspring bacteria. | |||
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" Our brains fire electrical impulses. That's how the bacteria communicate also, by electrical impulses, not just between themselves but with other species of bacteria, and is why they appear to communicate as neurons do. Machines can pick up electrical impulses also, this is how we have the technology to pass on information, via computer, between brains now. They can pick up whatever they're tuned to pick up. Idk how the noonsphere machines work though, guessing in a way similar to the mind control tech we have now? I am not an expert on that field, but apparently, our own body's electromagnetic field is too weak to affect those devices ( which are isolated to prevent external interferences). So, the reason should be other than our brain's electrical impulses. The fellow above points that it could be there just a correlation between emotions and the variation in the RNGs only in concrete circumstances, being eventually other the cause, still unknown. And he is right. yeah i'm guessing about how they collect the data. haven't got a clue and can't find any info. keep finding pages that seem a little pseudo scientific and that's not helping. lack of sleep last night also not helping at this time of the day. probably make it a weekend project to find out more. not to figure anything out, coz i don't think i'm that clever even if i do enjoy puzzles, more to understand it better.
Were you referring to horizontal gene transfer, that bacteria of different species undertake? They have been found to pass portions of their genes onto others, rather than just to their offspring bacteria. "With a little further thought, I think you were correctly referring to ion channel signalling, that bacteria use, enabling communication between them. At a chemical level there are also chemicals that colonies of bacteria use that influence the rest of them to modify their responses. (Some of them even seem to result in sub-groups of bacteria that change their genetic expression, undertaking different roles, for example, within colonies. But you were referring to the electrical signalling, which I thin is achieved via ion channel signalling. This allows for what is effectively long-range communication amongst densely populated colonies of 'simple' bacteria. Not so simple after all! | |||
" Our brains fire electrical impulses. That's how the bacteria communicate also, by electrical impulses, not just between themselves but with other species of bacteria, and is why they appear to communicate as neurons do. Machines can pick up electrical impulses also, this is how we have the technology to pass on information, via computer, between brains now. They can pick up whatever they're tuned to pick up. Idk how the noonsphere machines work though, guessing in a way similar to the mind control tech we have now? I am not an expert on that field, but apparently, our own body's electromagnetic field is too weak to affect those devices ( which are isolated to prevent external interferences). So, the reason should be other than our brain's electrical impulses. The fellow above points that it could be there just a correlation between emotions and the variation in the RNGs only in concrete circumstances, being eventually other the cause, still unknown. And he is right. yeah i'm guessing about how they collect the data. haven't got a clue and can't find any info. keep finding pages that seem a little pseudo scientific and that's not helping. lack of sleep last night also not helping at this time of the day. probably make it a weekend project to find out more. not to figure anything out, coz i don't think i'm that clever even if i do enjoy puzzles, more to understand it better.
Were you referring to horizontal gene transfer, that bacteria of different species undertake? They have been found to pass portions of their genes onto others, rather than just to their offspring bacteria.
With a little further thought, I think you were correctly referring to ion channel signalling, that bacteria use, enabling communication between them. At a chemical level there are also chemicals that colonies of bacteria use that influence the rest of them to modify their responses. (Some of them even seem to result in sub-groups of bacteria that change their genetic expression, undertaking different roles, for example, within colonies. But you were referring to the electrical signalling, which I thin is achieved via ion channel signalling. This allows for what is effectively long-range communication amongst densely populated colonies of 'simple' bacteria. Not so simple after all! "this exactly. i think it's new knowledge anyway?
they knew about the quorum sensing but also that this cant happen to communicate with other species. they don't know why they're doing it either, so that'll be fun to find out why.
it had me thinking all kinds of random stuff, that sounds quite mental so i'll keep it to myself, but yeah i was on about that. | |||
" Our brains fire electrical impulses. That's how the bacteria communicate also, by electrical impulses, not just between themselves but with other species of bacteria, and is why they appear to communicate as neurons do. Machines can pick up electrical impulses also, this is how we have the technology to pass on information, via computer, between brains now. They can pick up whatever they're tuned to pick up. Idk how the noonsphere machines work though, guessing in a way similar to the mind control tech we have now? I am not an expert on that field, but apparently, our own body's electromagnetic field is too weak to affect those devices ( which are isolated to prevent external interferences). So, the reason should be other than our brain's electrical impulses. The fellow above points that it could be there just a correlation between emotions and the variation in the RNGs only in concrete circumstances, being eventually other the cause, still unknown. And he is right. yeah i'm guessing about how they collect the data. haven't got a clue and can't find any info. keep finding pages that seem a little pseudo scientific and that's not helping. lack of sleep last night also not helping at this time of the day. probably make it a weekend project to find out more. not to figure anything out, coz i don't think i'm that clever even if i do enjoy puzzles, more to understand it better.
Were you referring to horizontal gene transfer, that bacteria of different species undertake? They have been found to pass portions of their genes onto others, rather than just to their offspring bacteria.
With a little further thought, I think you were correctly referring to ion channel signalling, that bacteria use, enabling communication between them. At a chemical level there are also chemicals that colonies of bacteria use that influence the rest of them to modify their responses. (Some of them even seem to result in sub-groups of bacteria that change their genetic expression, undertaking different roles, for example, within colonies. But you were referring to the electrical signalling, which I thin is achieved via ion channel signalling. This allows for what is effectively long-range communication amongst densely populated colonies of 'simple' bacteria. Not so simple after all!
this exactly. i think it's new knowledge anyway?
they knew about the quorum sensing but also that this cant happen to communicate with other species. they don't know why they're doing it either, so that'll be fun to find out why.
it had me thinking all kinds of random stuff, that sounds quite mental so i'll keep it to myself, but yeah i was on about that. "It's truly amazing how much tiny little organisms can communicate and organise like ants, bees etc - working for societal good - their own anyway. | |||
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"Bacteria - I guess their evolution has favoured the survival of those that could communicate and organise themselves, over those that couldn't. As they reproduce so quickly, it's easier for them to evolve radically in a small space of time relative to, for example, humans and species with longer reproductive cycles." america is doing the above right now i believe. lol. yeah. apparently we evolved from them ourselves, so i do like it when they show they are like us in some way. and of course gathering together helps you ensure survival, but we can see for ourselves that being selfish can ensure that too -especially when there are plenty of people willing to pander to the selfish, or even forced to...so its a similar thing but one sided. i wish to know a lot more about time, and how that 'exists', or more in what ways it can, because like i said i have some mental theories about consciousness but can't back them up at all right now. still fun to think about though. | |||
"Bacteria - I guess their evolution has favoured the survival of those that could communicate and organise themselves, over those that couldn't. As they reproduce so quickly, it's easier for them to evolve radically in a small space of time relative to, for example, humans and species with longer reproductive cycles." Whether or not bacteria have consciousness is far from proven. | |||
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"... Nothing worth reading has been written on it."" Apart from in the Fab forum  | |||
"... Nothing worth reading has been written on it." Apart from in the Fab forum "
We must to think in other trascendent thread...
I am publishing it now... | |||
"... Nothing worth reading has been written on it." Apart from in the Fab forum
We must to think in other trascendent thread...
I am publishing it now..."I don't think I've seen that one | |||
"... Nothing worth reading has been written on it." Apart from in the Fab forum
We must to think in other trascendent thread...
I am publishing it now...
I don't think I've seen that one "More trascendent than LOVE? It is this forum | |||
