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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"Tonight documentry on bbc 3 should be realy intresting.from the soldiers point of view. Is any one eles watching it at 9"
No. It upsets me too much opening the intranet at work and seeing yet another death, so I am unlikely to want to see that sort of things live.  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I'm wondering how "handpicked" the soldiers being interviewed will be. As it's being shown and made by the government-owned BBC, I doubt many truths will come out."
It was filmed buy one soldier who made it for his own record it has nothing to do with the polotics of the war just how the soldiers see |
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By *orestersCouple
over a year ago
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"I'm wondering how "handpicked" the soldiers being interviewed will be. As it's being shown and made by the government-owned BBC, I doubt many truths will come out.
It was filmed buy one soldier who made it for his own record it has nothing to do with the polotics of the war just how the soldiers see "
It would have to be authorised by "top brass" before it got anywhere near broadcast. And politics don't always present themselves in the way you may think. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I'm wondering how "handpicked" the soldiers being interviewed will be. As it's being shown and made by the government-owned BBC, I doubt many truths will come out.
It was filmed buy one soldier who made it for his own record it has nothing to do with the polotics of the war just how the soldiers see
It would have to be authorised by "top brass" before it got anywhere near broadcast. And politics don't always present themselves in the way you may think."
Well as i have been 3 times i will let you know how i feel about it and see if it is a fair portrait of what its like i do hope it hasent been sweatend for the public
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"I'm wondering how "handpicked" the soldiers being interviewed will be. As it's being shown and made by the government-owned BBC, I doubt many truths will come out.
It was filmed buy one soldier who made it for his own record it has nothing to do with the polotics of the war just how the soldiers see
It would have to be authorised by "top brass" before it got anywhere near broadcast. And politics don't always present themselves in the way you may think.
Well as i have been 3 times i will let you know how i feel about it and see if it is a fair portrait of what its like i do hope it hasent been sweatend for the public
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Of course it has been you think the MOD would let you see the real Afgan don't be daft... I am aware of what really goes on over there as much as I can be... dealing with the nightmares,the lashing out the drinking the unable to go out... that is the real afgan... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I am watching and have no doubt that no matter how much has been vetoed from it, it will still be harrowing and disturbing and bring more into our consciousness of what our soldiers go through. |
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"I am watching and have no doubt that no matter how much has been vetoed from it, it will still be harrowing and disturbing and bring more into our consciousness of what our soldiers go through."
If only it COULD explain why? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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When the Allies liberated the death camps at the end of WW2 and the full extent of the holocaust was discovered the popular saying at the time was, "we must never let this happen again."
Those same words were uttered when UN forces were finding mass graves of slaughtered Muslims in Bosnia in the 1990s.
We heard them again in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.
It seems to me that we either back up what we say and see it through to it's ultimate completion - and offer support for those soldiers called upon to put force behind those words.
Or we shut the fuck up whenever a brutal oppressive regime takes it upon itself to systematically murder it's own citizens.
We must never let it happen again?
Sure, but only until the money could be better spent elsewhere. If the Nato forces had pulled out of Afghanistan before Afghanistan was ready to rule itself the Taliban would have swept back into power the very next day and slaughtered anyone who had sided against them.
Remember, any educated female would have been executed. That's what they do, and that's what we have put an end to. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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To all the people who said it would be edited and the soldiers would be hand picked to be on well i think you have been proven wrong this is a very real documentry and it is bringing back some horibble memorys |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"When the Allies liberated the death camps at the end of WW2 and the full extent of the holocaust was discovered the popular saying at the time was, "we must never let this happen again."
Those same words were uttered when UN forces were finding mass graves of slaughtered Muslims in Bosnia in the 1990s.
We heard them again in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.
It seems to me that we either back up what we say and see it through to it's ultimate completion - and offer support for those soldiers called upon to put force behind those words.
Or we shut the fuck up whenever a brutal oppressive regime takes it upon itself to systematically murder it's own citizens.
We must never let it happen again?
Sure, but only until the money could be better spent elsewhere. If the Nato forces had pulled out of Afghanistan before Afghanistan was ready to rule itself the Taliban would have swept back into power the very next day and slaughtered anyone who had sided against them.
Remember, any educated female would have been executed. That's what they do, and that's what we have put an end to."
Thank you realy thank you being over there we see the good it is doing and it makes us happy to do it i hate people who say we shouldnt be there every 1 has the right to freedum and live without fear and if i can help just a few familys have that i will keep fighting any were they send me |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I know a lot of soldiers, and lost good friends. It is a shame that this documentary is on BBC3 when we get trash like Eastenders and River City on BBC1. A powerful and long overdue insight. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Wonder if and when we will see the same about Syria?
Unlikely.
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Omg all you have gone on about is the politics of it all that is not what this thread is about it is about what happens and how well the documentry has done so good at showing it so if you want to carry on about politics of it post another thread because i realy dont care |
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Wonder if and when we will see the same about Syria?
Unlikely.
Omg all you have gone on about is the politics of it all that is not what this thread is about it is about what happens and how well the documentry has done so good at showing it so if you want to carry on about politics of it post another thread because i realy dont care "
The show was heart wrenching and sad... but I lived it being a military spouse so I try and not watch them as I now have mascara down me chin..  |
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Wonder if and when we will see the same about Syria?
Unlikely.
Omg all you have gone on about is the politics of it all that is not what this thread is about it is about what happens and how well the documentry has done so good at showing it so if you want to carry on about politics of it post another thread because i realy dont care "
You make me laugh. Your as happy as larry when people post what you want to here, but soon as you dont like something your toys get thrown out the pram.
Best not post what i was going to post cause you will spit your dummy well and truelly out |
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Wonder if and when we will see the same about Syria?
Unlikely.
Omg all you have gone on about is the politics of it all that is not what this thread is about it is about what happens and how well the documentry has done so good at showing it so if you want to carry on about politics of it post another thread because i realy dont care
You make me laugh. Your as happy as larry when people post what you want to here, but soon as you dont like something your toys get thrown out the pram.
Best not post what i was going to post cause you will spit your dummy well and truelly out"
you do make me smile............... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Wonder if and when we will see the same about Syria?
Unlikely.
Omg all you have gone on about is the politics of it all that is not what this thread is about it is about what happens and how well the documentry has done so good at showing it so if you want to carry on about politics of it post another thread because i realy dont care
You make me laugh. Your as happy as larry when people post what you want to here, but soon as you dont like something your toys get thrown out the pram.
Best not post what i was going to post cause you will spit your dummy well and truelly out"
O shut up og and be bitter on another thread |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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pee's me off too when people say we shudnt be there ... your not there our troops are and alot of them want to be there and feel PRIDE in what they are doing .
and they have made a HUGE differnce
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"pee's me off too when people say we shudnt be there ... your not there our troops are and alot of them want to be there and feel PRIDE in what they are doing .
and they have made a HUGE differnce
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Thank you atleast some people understand |
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Wonder if and when we will see the same about Syria?
Unlikely.
Omg all you have gone on about is the politics of it all that is not what this thread is about it is about what happens and how well the documentry has done so good at showing it so if you want to carry on about politics of it post another thread because i realy dont care
You make me laugh. Your as happy as larry when people post what you want to here, but soon as you dont like something your toys get thrown out the pram.
Best not post what i was going to post cause you will spit your dummy well and truelly out
O shut up og and be bitter on another thread"
And there you go proving my point |
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Ok here is my take on everything. I respect the soldiers, my heart goes out to any soldier and their family tha is injured or killed BUT noone forces anyone to join the british army. They are not press ganged into it. Its there choosen career path and they choose it knowing the risks and dangers |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Ok here is my take on everything. I respect the soldiers, my heart goes out to any soldier and their family tha is injured or killed BUT noone forces anyone to join the british army. They are not press ganged into it. Its there choosen career path and they choose it knowing the risks and dangers"
Look i dont care what you think this is a positive thread and you and a couple of others are putting a negitiv feeling in it so just keep your points to your self or like i said to the other guy make a new thread |
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"Ok here is my take on everything. I respect the soldiers, my heart goes out to any soldier and their family tha is injured or killed BUT noone forces anyone to join the british army. They are not press ganged into it. Its there choosen career path and they choose it knowing the risks and dangers
Look i dont care what you think this is a positive thread and you and a couple of others are putting a negitiv feeling in it so just keep your points to your self or like i said to the other guy make a new thread"
Have the forum rules been changed this evening that we all have to have the same point of view as yourself?? |
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"Ok here is my take on everything. I respect the soldiers, my heart goes out to any soldier and their family tha is injured or killed BUT noone forces anyone to join the british army. They are not press ganged into it. Its there choosen career path and they choose it knowing the risks and dangers
Look i dont care what you think this is a positive thread and you and a couple of others are putting a negitiv feeling in it so just keep your points to your self or like i said to the other guy make a new thread"
Can I just ask who is sending negitive thoughts and don't jump down my throat it was just a question.. |
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By *b430Man
over a year ago
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"Ok here is my take on everything. I respect the soldiers, my heart goes out to any soldier and their family tha is injured or killed BUT noone forces anyone to join the british army. They are not press ganged into it. Its there choosen career path and they choose it knowing the risks and dangers"
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It was mixed emotions for me ,it made me feel humble in the suffering of the family and the pain they must feel ,it made me feel proud of the soldiers who face constant threat and danger out there and still do it for their mates,and it made me feel sad that after all the wars we have fought in the last thousand years ,we have still learnt nothing.
RIP to all the fallen |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This opening part of the series tells the story of a close-knit group of friends from 3 Platoon, 1st Battalion Royal Anglian regiment, who were sent to Helmand province in 2007. For most of them it was their first experience of war. The whole tour was filmed on a helmet camera by the platoon's sergeant, who captured the moment when one of his men, 19-year-old Private Chris Gray, was killed in a Taliban ambush. The film explores the effects of his death on both his mates in the platoon and his family back in the UK.
thats what bbciplayer says about it waiting for it to be avalible to play so i can watch it in bed and have a cry got a Very close friend out there right now , so i find some comments real disrespectful . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"pee's me off too when people say we shudnt be there ... your not there our troops are and alot of them want to be there and feel PRIDE in what they are doing .
and they have made a HUGE differnce
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I'm not convinced that many, if any, of them WANT to be there - save for the fact that's where their pals are.
Even the Colour Sgt interviewed all day on BBC, the man who made it clear he couldn't wait to get back, said it was because that's where the action is - what infantrymen (real soldiering, as he put it) join up for.
Ultimately, will we have made a lasting diference? I doubt it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"pee's me off too when people say we shudnt be there ... your not there our troops are and alot of them want to be there and feel PRIDE in what they are doing .
and they have made a HUGE differnce
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Really? Do you think civvies don't feel it when another soldier is killed in the line of duty? Did you watch the programme on TV about the people of Wootton Bassett?
Stop and think for a minute about how our troops are able to operate in the fields of conflict that our politicians commit them too. Weaponry, intel, clothing, machinery, provisions, ships, warplanes.. who pays for these things?
Every bullet fired by a British soldier is paid for by a working man or woman back here in the UK.
I am there with our lads, if not in body but most certainly in support. Sometimes I may not agree with the politicians who sent them there but as this is a democracy I am entitled to that point of view, but also, as part of a democracy, I accept that our leaders will spend the tax I pay in whatever way they feel it needs to be spent and I am not privvy to 99.9% of the intelligence gathered that makes their decisions informed ones. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Every bullet fired by a British soldier is paid for by a working man or woman back here in the UK.
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It's not often we agree but, in a (vaguely) similar vein, it's worth remembering that 'a bayonet is a weapon with a working man at either end'. |
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"pee's me off too when people say we shudnt be there ... your not there our troops are and alot of them want to be there and feel PRIDE in what they are doing .
and they have made a HUGE differnce
Really? Do you think civvies don't feel it when another soldier is killed in the line of duty? Did you watch the programme on TV about the people of Wootton Bassett?
Stop and think for a minute about how our troops are able to operate in the fields of conflict that our politicians commit them too. Weaponry, intel, clothing, machinery, provisions, ships, warplanes.. who pays for these things?
Every bullet fired by a British soldier is paid for by a working man or woman back here in the UK.
I am there with our lads, if not in body but most certainly in support. Sometimes I may not agree with the politicians who sent them there but as this is a democracy I am entitled to that point of view, but also, as part of a democracy, I accept that our leaders will spend the tax I pay in whatever way they feel it needs to be spent and I am not privvy to 99.9% of the intelligence gathered that makes their decisions informed ones."
The other 0.1% of intelligence being that Iraq has substantial quantities of WMD avilable at 45 mins notice?
It's also worth remembering that Briatin ( the UK whatever ) is the world's 2nd ( 3rd? ) largest arms dealer. Working jobs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"pee's me off too when people say we shudnt be there ... your not there our troops are and alot of them want to be there and feel PRIDE in what they are doing .
and they have made a HUGE differnce
Really? Do you think civvies don't feel it when another soldier is killed in the line of duty? Did you watch the programme on TV about the people of Wootton Bassett?
Stop and think for a minute about how our troops are able to operate in the fields of conflict that our politicians commit them too. Weaponry, intel, clothing, machinery, provisions, ships, warplanes.. who pays for these things?
Every bullet fired by a British soldier is paid for by a working man or woman back here in the UK.
I am there with our lads, if not in body but most certainly in support. Sometimes I may not agree with the politicians who sent them there but as this is a democracy I am entitled to that point of view, but also, as part of a democracy, I accept that our leaders will spend the tax I pay in whatever way they feel it needs to be spent and I am not privvy to 99.9% of the intelligence gathered that makes their decisions informed ones."
THEY pay tax too |
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"pee's me off too when people say we shudnt be there ... your not there our troops are and alot of them want to be there and feel PRIDE in what they are doing .
and they have made a HUGE differnce
Really? Do you think civvies don't feel it when another soldier is killed in the line of duty? Did you watch the programme on TV about the people of Wootton Bassett?
Stop and think for a minute about how our troops are able to operate in the fields of conflict that our politicians commit them too. Weaponry, intel, clothing, machinery, provisions, ships, warplanes.. who pays for these things?
Every bullet fired by a British soldier is paid for by a working man or woman back here in the UK.
I am there with our lads, if not in body but most certainly in support. Sometimes I may not agree with the politicians who sent them there but as this is a democracy I am entitled to that point of view, but also, as part of a democracy, I accept that our leaders will spend the tax I pay in whatever way they feel it needs to be spent and I am not privvy to 99.9% of the intelligence gathered that makes their decisions informed ones.
THEY pay tax too "
Ain't that the double whammy. We pay tax to fund our troops who are charged tax on what we give them. Why don't the govt simply hold back some of their wages and cut out a level of bureaucracy.
I've long been a supporter of troops not having to pay tax on what they earn whilst in a theatre of war. It's pointless as it's taxpayer's money in the first place. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" The other 0.1% of intelligence being that Iraq has substantial quantities of WMD avilable at 45 mins notice?
It's also worth remembering that Briatin ( the UK whatever ) is the world's 2nd ( 3rd? ) largest arms dealer. Working jobs."
What's the point of having an armed force that never gets bloodied. Troops have to be tested in a live environment, hence why we go into places we know we've got an above average chance of winning.
It is by no mere fluke that we haven't invaded China, who have one of the worst human rights records on... er.. record. |
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By *adcowWoman
over a year ago
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I couldn't watch it all, couldn't see past the tears. Having worked in an A & E department in a local hospital I have seen some sights I would rather forget. The raw emotions as someone passes away(usually a complete stranger) can be over whelming but I can't even begin to imagine how those young guys on their first tour could just carry on and function after seeing their "brother" carried away on a stretcher like that.
A true shock to the system and wake up call that each and every one of them could be next. Yes it is a risk of their job but did they ever think it could happen to one of them, especially one so young.
I know a few soldiers through swinging and some can't leave it behind them when they get back home to civvi life after a tour. You can see the haunted look in their eyes but yet they continue to put on brave faces to their loved ones, mostly to save all the worry. Others have had to grow up very quickly, more mature attitudes than others their own ages.
My heart goes out to those who have lost a good friend or loved one in any of the conflicts. Maybe one day their sacrifice will be unecessary and everyone could live at peace with one another- we can but dream.
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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Ok I know it is an emotive subject but please don't get into spats over it and let's keep it civil.
I watched it this morning
I know thats probably how things work in the army, but the Sergeant sounded a right bullyboy, calling people c**** and screaming at them when they are working with equipment that wasn't designed to carry men on.
Non the less, very harrowing viewing |
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By *orestersCouple
over a year ago
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Just a hypothetical question for anyone who cares to answer it.
If the government made a statement to the effect that UK troops weren't in Afghanistan to protect freedoms and to fight the Taliban/Al Qaida etc, but were actually there as part of a treaty with the US to get cheap oil, would you still think that the soldiers are heroes fighting for the British public, or just workers doing a job? |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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I don't think the soldiers are heroes for doing their job...but I do think they are heroic when collecting their friends bodies or trying to save their lives while in danger / under fire themselves. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just a hypothetical question for anyone who cares to answer it.
If the government made a statement to the effect that UK troops weren't in Afghanistan to protect freedoms and to fight the Taliban/Al Qaida etc, but were actually there as part of a treaty with the US to get cheap oil, would you still think that the soldiers are heroes fighting for the British public, or just workers doing a job?"
For Queen & Country really means at the Governments behest. Through history our armed forces have served in conflicts that have been matters of national honour as much as matters of national greed. Not a year has passed since the end of the second world war that some of the armed forces have been serving in a region of conflict somewhere in the World.
As a country we should be grateful that we have a supply of young men and women who throughout history have given their all at the request of the incumbent government. It is easy to look back with hindsight as to which conflicts were right and which were wrong. At the time the service personnel served and did their jobs, those that died or were injured are remembered and those that served and subsequently left get respect. They did not choose in which conflicts to serve, they chose to give some time to HMAF and they did their Duty.
BTW - The propgramme was excellent and as stated earlier it says so much about life in Britain that it was shown on BBC3 - the assumption being that mainstream Soaps and Reality shows are more important.
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